Silksong Discussion (soiler warning)

[clever furnace]

ok what the hell, I fell into the lava twice

[split sluice]

Locks you in bilewater

you will learn to love it.

[distant holly]

i know a person who works at team cherries, the next patch will reduce lava damage to 1 mask, and magma bell makes it 0.5

[naive flame]

Atleast the ost is fire there

[clever furnace]

radiant again

[split sluice]

Brb messing with the music slider

[naive flame]

not my beautiful music nooo

[clever furnace]

I know one too, next patch makes it so muckmaggots take a mask off hornet if she goes down to 0 silk

[split sluice]

You need to learn to exist in bilewater before you get it back

[distant holly]

not like health, but they literally remove hornet’s face

[clever furnace]

I can also play that on piano -Mary

[naive flame]

To be fair bilewater isnt the worst area in silksong

[split sluice]

What do you think the worst is

[naive flame]

Can you play the mist and phantom too?

[distant holly]

there are non permanent deaths in steel soul, so there should be permanent in normal mode

[naive flame]

Putrified ducts

[clever furnace]

nah, putrified's better

[distant holly]

it’s grand gate

[clever furnace]

Phantom, but not mist -Mary

[split sluice]

True, putrified ducts sucks

[distant holly]

why it’s even a separate area

[clever furnace]

Phantom is my FAVORITE song to play -Mary

spit squits giving you trouble? needle strike into silk skill

or just let them approach you, and when they charge a spit, go under them and get hits

or lure them into a barnak

[distant holly]

wait

[naive flame]

btw whats the uhh rules on speaking of act 3 stuff here?

[split sluice]

Go ahead

[naive flame]

Its very good

[clever furnace]

you're free to do so without spoiler tags

[split sluice]

Maybe spoil finale stuff but it’s up to you

[naive flame]

alr

[clever furnace]

Ik!!!!!! -Mary

[distant holly]

the fact that the menu theme of true ending is ||the surface, implies mister mushroom quest is necessarily canon||

[clever furnace]

truth nuke

[split sluice]

My favorite menu style is Abyss tbh

[clever furnace]

I like the sonclave theme -Mary

[distant holly]

it acts as both act 3 and snared silk ending theme 🔥

[naive flame]

I like the first one, its the most colorful one :3

[split sluice]

The default style always reminds me of the grimm troupe style from OG hollow knight

[naive flame]

it does kinda yea

[distant holly]

could the ||use of songclave’s theme in credits of first endings be a hint for true ending ||

[clever furnace]

nah, I think it just fits

[naive flame]

Maybe that theme is after the credits to show the importance of that place?

[clever furnace]

but sure, it can be a big brained hint ig

[split sluice]

There is only one menu style across both HK and Silksong that should be used

[naive flame]

which one? :0

[naive flame]

how about no.

[split sluice]

Then trobbio goes into the pain tesseract

[naive flame]

no they are already tormented enough

[clever furnace]

🥹

We need that, but trobbio

[naive flame]

We got all the genders saying no 🥹

[clever furnace]

Welll, i got one ✅ -Mary

[naive flame]

me

[clever furnace]

Thanks soup -Mary

[split sluice]

Sends you both to upper bilewater without cling grip or faydown cloak

[clever furnace]

Fun! -Mary

[naive flame]

Me and Mary against groal, fun

[distant holly]

how about sending to the weavernest in bilewater without needolin

[clever furnace]

We can do this! -Mary

[naive flame]

Out of all the weavenests why murglin?

[clever furnace]

no
lore tablet area's too nice

send them to karn

[distant holly]

because it’s in bilewater

[naive flame]

wormways??

[clever furnace]

yes, wormways

[split sluice]

Cindril without swift step is also an option

[naive flame]

Cindril has a bench please there 🥹

[split sluice]

Spell of bench removal

[distant holly]

sent to eva with cursed crest forever

[naive flame]

atleast i can walk on the speed thingys

[split sluice]

Hmmm

[naive flame]

Weavenest atla is so nice yes there

[split sluice]

UNDERWORKS!!!!!

[distant holly]

specifically eva’s room

[naive flame]

I have a companion atleast, right?

[mellow sigil]

I just realised what "sought" from that one journal entry about hornets partners means Im so stoopid she actually never even had anyone

but it makes it more sad because
she wanted to have a partner but couldn't

[naive flame]

I thought she had partners just outlived them or smth?

[clever furnace]

Sending you to underworks without any rosaries -Mary

locked with loam to run the threadmill until they get a million rosaries

no swift step

[naive flame]

me and loam we will use the power friendship!

[mellow sigil]

actually maybe it means that she like. Did had partners but they all died quickly....

[naive flame]

Gonna get that one million in no time :3

[naive flame]

yea i think so, she has lived for quite some time

[mellow sigil]

I feel like "I once sought a similar relationship but none of my own mates could match my lifespan" means. That she looked for a relationship in general, no? not that she wanted a life-long relationship

or maybe it does mean that

[naive flame]

This is from the journal about great conchflies right?

[clever furnace]

man what a sad thought
want to love somebody but they just die too quickly for your lifespan
ig that's how mouse owners must feel like...

[naive flame]

Cause hornet says that when great conchflies find a mate they remain partners for the rest of their life (if i remember correctly)

[naive flame]

Then after she says this in her notes too

[mellow sigil]

ooohhhhh omg

thats why its a similar union😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[clever furnace]

lol, the tarmites don't die or go away when the s.beastfly dies

[mellow sigil]

wheres my "I may be stupid" picture

[clever furnace]

so they can kill you after the boss is defeated

[naive flame]

yea i hate them so much :3

[naive flame]

You can get a gif or smth let me check :3

[clever furnace]

Wait, you can do that? -mary

[naive flame]

I have this:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1100830158509834330/1421595115058888774/attachment.gif

Maybe good enough :3

[distant holly]

is this real?

[naive flame]

yes trust me

[clever furnace]

yea
it's for reinforcing the underworks lore ig
you can run the threadmill which, according to swift step's description, is above the average bug's natural sprint speed for like a minute or so for a single rosary
or, sometimes just a puff of dust
makes you see just how insanely valuable rosaries were in the underworks

[mellow sigil]

yes thats what happens in my brain usually

I mean Im a single-celled organism whaddaya wan t

okay Im going

[naive flame]

byee :3

[clever furnace]

chat I'm finding new spots to get in hits on s.beastfly :3

[naive flame]

Beastfly is annoying but also satisfying learning how to maximize when to deal damage :3

Anyway i need to eep, gn :3

[clever furnace]

Wow!!! Thats so cool! -Mary

omg I'm killing s.beastfly like the speedrunners kill p5 bosses

hm, radianting s.beastfly just 2 more times before the real fight

[clever furnace]

feeling very confident on s.beasfly now

ok........
I'm trying it out for real chat, I got this down

dupe save file, deleted
backup, deleted
lets see how hard you bite now s.beastfly

well, if I lose, I at least got the practice for the next run

done

not a radiant, but I expected some fumbling by the fight or flight response

chat would you rather take the red quill or tormented trobbio's purple one

imma take tormented one purely for the flex, otherwise I'd take the red because I like red :3

trobbio practice time
you know for a fact I'm radianting this idiot over and over

chat I almost radiant'd him first try LMFAO

he dies SO fast with hunter barbed

goddammit these fucking balls and their bounces

ok nvm the balls aint that bad

[void prawn]

Whuh

You can take his quill

[clever furnace]

yes

but only if you don't already have one

[void prawn]

Is it a steel soul thing

OH

So you have to not buy the quill?

[clever furnace]

yep

you gotta be quillless until this part of the game

[void prawn]

Danf

[clever furnace]

or until act 3

[void prawn]

I love my quill so I dunno

[clever furnace]

tbh I haven't found it all taht hard to keep track of where I've been
partly because skong is structured with much less ability-required areas in early parts, and partly because I have pharloom memorized

right now I'm using:
8 yellow markers denoting double jump areas
6 ring markers pointing to clawline areas
and 1 bronze marker for a part I haven't explored but can access

[icy basin]

ahahaaha this is what you get for ruining my first steel soul

(i had too many close calls cuz of panic healing)

[clever furnace]

gg

[icy basin]

oh yea my keyboard also decided to stop responding for like 2 seconds during the fight lol

[clever furnace]

a win is a win

[icy basin]

fr

[clever furnace]

in steel soul, you take what you can make

[icy basin]

also i swear the bell used to do two masks of damage

[clever furnace]

it did

[icy basin]

damn

[clever furnace]

I also remember it
it was nerfed on patch 1

[icy basin]

so i would've died in a previous patch

damn

also why tf do i suck at steel soul widow ffs i beat the lost sinner mod

[clever furnace]

mental is very different, and it matters a lot in your performance

even if you don't currently feel it, you are always aware that too many misteps and its over, back to moss grotto

[icy basin]

yea lol

also i panicked and ran from moorwing in the same run cuz i was on 1 hp and i aint dealing with that

[clever furnace]

that always steers your actions to perform less efficiently in precision tasks, like skong, which is about dishing out damage efficiently while not taking hits yourself

the only way to counteract the effect is practice

[icy basin]

yea fair

unfortunately godhome dlc doesn't exist yet

i've only done my hk steel soul completion after beating p4

ngl i am not looking forward to last judge/phantom

[clever furnace]

wonder why hornet doesn't strike a killing blow on trobbio, he clearly wanted to kill you in his performance

twice in fact

[icy basin]

oh rip fearful pilgrim

[clever furnace]

🥀

[icy basin]

cuz he funni bug

also the scariest part of the entire steel soul might actually be the act 3 void gauntlet at the start

cuz uhhh yea you're fighting tanky af enemies with 4 masks

[clever furnace]

2 words, needle strike

hit one of them for a one-two, then finish them off before they can make an attack, then get silk from the other guy

[icy basin]

damn

[clever furnace]

since you're toolless and silkless for the fight, it's your sole burst damage option

so, use it

@icy basin do you know if you're forced into hunter when entering act 3?

[icy basin]

yes

yes you are

so no architect drill

[clever furnace]

2.8x needle damage attack is pretty good too

[icy basin]

yellow tool btw

[split sluice]

They will never take my yellow tools, even for something objectively better

[clever furnace]

meh, I never use reds anyway

[split sluice]

(Mine are compass, both magnetite tools, and silkspeed anklets)

[clever furnace]

compass????????

[split sluice]

I’m too lazy to figure out where I am by pinpointing the room I’m in on the map

Also compass allows you to instakill LL so yeah

[clever furnace]

tbf there isn't much else you can use
wanderer crest issue

[split sluice]

Wanderer crest privilege, having too many yellow slots

[clever furnace]

ok enough trobbio practice, let's do this

RADIANT
EZ

FUCK YOU

[icy basin]

damn

anyways ima end it here in the wormways and ima prob go get plasmium and wanderers next time

also lol i decided to get thread storm after widow cuz squatcrows are arseholes

[clever furnace]

am happy man, very happy to radiant his ass into next act

[icy basin]

oh yea also maybe hunter's march tmr

[icy basin]

nice lmo

[split sluice]

Reminder that bilewater is peak

[clever furnace]

I agree

[split sluice]

They should replace the citadel with bilewater and the cradle with bilewater and the abyss with bilewater and shellwood with bilewater and

[clever furnace]

you can't replace citadel with bilewater
bilewater exists because of citadel

[split sluice]

…

I will break the lore then

[clever furnace]

my bad, bilewater is eternal and independent

our hate is forever

[split sluice]

our hate is forever.

[hardy jolt]

does anyone know how to setup the silksong github for mods?

or wait no

the BepInEx

xd

[clever furnace]

goddammit why does cursed crest's needle strike push you so far away from the enemy

oh yea I no longer have weighted belt on

[clever furnace]

got my wings back 🐦‍🔥

and vesticrest upgrade

and hunter 2

bruh I just deleted skull tyrant 2

i'm feeling pretty disgraced right now

aight, I'm not repeating the same mistake, am practicing lugoli

[clever furnace]

enough practice
they actually have really low health
trick is to not be so fearful of their attacks, the maggot projectiles never hit you if you're close to lugoli
they attack pretty fast
gotta not be too far up into the air as lugoli can do an overhead slam at any time

no radiant but just 1 hit

[ashen badger]

How did Sherma get in

[quiet sentinel]

yess :3

its very simplee

[ashen badger]

Did the Last Judge actually let him in cause he was a good boy? :3

[quiet sentinel]

do you still need help

[barren ingot]

last judge was too dead to be judging anyone at that point I presume

[ashen badger]

Thing is, if you go through Phantom instead of the Last Judge, Sherma still gets in

[clever furnace]

easy, she followed you in

sry, he

[barren ingot]

phantom would also be too dead to stop anyone in that scenario

[clever furnace]

female vc still trips me up fr

[ashen badger]

You think he traversed sinners road?!?!

[clever furnace]

not that much worse than blasted

[barren ingot]

the music seems genuinely useful

I bet he could pull it off

[ashen badger]

Maybe

[ashen badger]

Yeah the voices kinda trick you

The Last Judge when the denier walks in

[clever furnace]

enraged conchfly time
gonna practice em a bit, but they aint too bad

[ashen badger]

You killed my bf prepare to die

I've seen this so many times that i'm actually suprised as to how common it is

Those do not look like eyebrows

[clever furnace]

noway

he just looks too silly on the second interpretation

ugh I hate you so much for implating these thoughts on me /nm

anyway enough raging conchfly practice

[clever furnace]

forebrothers practice time

lol, I damaged signis so much he didn't summon his second minion wave and skipped straight to gron

[sudden plover]

I saw that too lol

I need a drawing of hornet pointing angrily at the camera while a bunch of pale nails hover behind her (it's a shaman user)

[void prawn]

I saw the what I saw one but swap the lil eyebrows and closed eyes and make the eyes open

[sudden plover]

So the events for me were

Closed eyes

Open eyes with eye bags

Mustache

[broken plover]

I beat silksong.
Sure I mightve never gotten past act 2

I never never ever wanna lay another finger on a team cherry game, for a long time.

[wooden sun]

Bilewater calls

[broken plover]

NO

DONT REMIND ME OF THAT DIGITAL HELL

[void prawn]

Play in stars and time instead twin

[wooden sun]

All paths lead to Bilwater eventually

You merely delay the inevitable

[ashen badger]

Playing steel soul is worth it just to fight Widow again

[clever furnace]

chat, volt filament silk spear may be pretty strong

[opal totem]

Still wish its hitbox was wider

[barren ingot]

lucky for you there wont be another team cherry game for a long time

[clever furnace]

combining it with l-cancelling plus shortening it by hitting a wall and you can dish some serious burst in a very small time

the l-cancelling is super easy too, just gotta slash on the air, land, then you can immediately cast it

[ashen badger]

Okay good

made it to act 2

[broken plover]

Hollow knight zoteboat when

[clever furnace]

october 17

[broken plover]

Or what about hollow knight pablo

[ashen badger]

Why is the thought of silly Trobbio so freaking scary all of a sudden

[clever furnace]

wonder why's the 17th scavbot's favorite date

[ashen badger]

@clever furnace You, you know about the game, help me

Can i Skip Trobbio

[wooden sun]

Trobbio is inevitable

[clever furnace]

nah

[ashen badger]

AAAAAAAAHHH

[clever furnace]

if not for clawline, you need to defeat them for the vaultkeeper's melody

[ashen badger]

HE IS GONA KILL ME

[barren ingot]

trobbio is kinda a weird mandatory boss
they dont feel mandatory

like, there's no leadup to trobbio. he is just trobbio

[opal totem]

Should've swapped Trobbio and phantom

[ashen badger]

He isn't even related to anyone important, he has no plot bearing, i don't know how he got there
as far as i know he is some random hobbo that saw the citadel empty and thought: "Hell yeah new home"

even has a stage and all

House + no rent + already built-in stage

[ashen badger]

Well huhhhhhhh can i get the vault's pale oil

Without fighting him

[clever furnace]

at the cost of some really aggressive neighbors

[opal totem]

Yeah

[clever furnace]

like, want-to-kill-you neighbors

[ashen badger]

Ok and i can get cogwork flies

gotta get another mask

7 + that mask item

Oh dear god the forum

[clever furnace]

ok I'm reaching the stage of guaranteeing a forebrothers win

[ashen badger]

This is scarier than any horror game i've played

[ashen badger]

You gona win?
:3

[clever furnace]

god damn is it satisfying to absolutely delete their hp with barbed hunter 2

[clever furnace]

so, I got em, was a pretty bad attempt but I got them
I didn't lose the fractured ig

[broken plover]

I hated this, Please just cook slightly less Team cherry

[rich vale]

DUOBLE JUMP!!!!!

I got to the need of mount fay

End*

[opaque shard]

[torpid hull]

if you thought mount fay was hard just wait…

there’s an even harder platforming challenge

[rich vale]

):

[torpid hull]

thankfully its optional tho

because i found it harder than path of pain

[opaque shard]

||https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=suK5Dpjz-TE|| post game soilers

Whats bro doing here

[hardy jolt]

ya

[quiet sentinel]

awww

holdon i will just dm you

[torpid hull]

if anyone needs help with bosses (right now its only act 1 with cogwork dancers and trobbio) i have a steam guide to help! https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3585119120

[split sluice]

Just got silk and soul wish for my steel soul file

Probably gonna rosary grind to top off before headed into act 3

[void prawn]

All 45 what

[torpid hull]

bosses

[void prawn]

Ooooh

I don't have a lot of bosses left

(Does act 2 garmond count for it)

[torpid hull]

for 100%?

[void prawn]

No for the badge

[torpid hull]

there’s no achievement for beating garmond and zaza/for all bosses

I used the picture of the speedrun completion achievement cause it looks cool

[distant holly]

it’s not that bad if you do speedrun achievement thing

[distant holly]

how

[clever furnace]

what
it really is that simple I saw speedrunners do it

wish it didn't have to be done though, it is one of my complaints with silk skills, which feel less versatile than spells were in hk

[distant holly]

there was some harder version of widow in my dream .

the arena looked kinda like dark godhome, and instead of bells there were small fast black projectiles , later in the fight they kinda follow player too. tbh i forgot how the boss looked though

[clever furnace]

lost widow?

[distant holly]

kinda i guess

[dense wasp]

does it like shorten startup or endlag or

[clever furnace]

ignores swing endlag

[dense wasp]

oh so it removes needle lag not silkspear lag

neat it probably applies to sharpdart and cross stitch too then

[quiet sentinel]

there is a mod that makes every enemy and boss voided from act 1

who wants to go beat it

[torpid hull]

that + unarmed crest 😈

[void prawn]

Let me use hunter and I'll steel soul it

[ashen badger]

Sooooo i might be a little screwed

I can't get out of that encounter in far fields unless i kill this thing, right

Welp shit

[void prawn]

They easy I beat one voided

[ashen badger]

At least i can easily get it stuck on a gameplay loop

gulp

[barren ingot]

doesnt it just run straight through that door on the left if you open it?

[quiet sentinel]

It does

[naive flame]

We now need this boss as mod

[ashen badger]

Yep

that's how i got out

[distant holly]

unarmed crest is impossible

you can’t get silk spear or pass wormways

and get or use clawline

also you need to skip widow’s memory but get needolin. you don’t need to use it, however

the mist can be bruteforced but only if you unlock needolin, otherwise there won’t be a valid solution at all

why team cherry were so evil to make cogs and sand deal 2 masks of damage on release .

[torpid hull]

I know

[torpid hull]

i main(ed) hunter, now i main beast

[sudden plover]

Lost lace? Someone find her!

[distant holly]

💔

they need to find enough skips to make it possible

[naive flame]

Probably between the couch cushions check there

[clever furnace]

chat it's finally time for groal the great

obviously, I'll practice em to get used to their flying patterns

the greatest danger on the fight is groal just flying into you to position for their next attack

happens specially when they're on a side of the arena and want to do the v-attack

[swift flame]

guys theres something wrong with my silksong

[clever furnace]

it's that jingle bells bro

[ashen badger]

what does upgrading the Hunter's crest even get you

[clever furnace]

a meter called focus that fills up when landing needle hits and resets to 0 when taking damage

[ashen badger]

well wasn't worth losing my run over that no

[clever furnace]

upon reaching 6 hits, you get a needle damage bonus that stays until you get hit
upgrade extends focus to 12 hits, reaching 12 adds an additional damage bonus

last I knew the bonuses were 25% and 15% adding to 40%, but last I heard a recent patch buffed it

ooh, pretty good buff
it is now 30% and 20%, totally 50%

[ashen badger]

if only i had gotten double jump instead of fighting the unravelled for no reason

[clever furnace]

tip: charge a needle strike every time after the unravelled finishes an attack

you may as well, since you can't strike it until it starts another attack

[ashen badger]

or that, i could have gotten the charged attack

[clever furnace]

when the spears show up, it is better to move little than to move around a lot, as their hitbox is slim and they never strike close to where they emerged

[split sluice]

Remove unravelled

[clever furnace]

moving around a lot risks getting hit when the spears come down

[split sluice]

I’d rather have trobbio tbh

[ashen badger]

i died cause i kept thinking i could jump him

[clever furnace]

you can in a single jump

I do it all the time

[ashen badger]

well then i'm just useless

[distant holly]

allegedly multibinder removes maggots with first bind in beta

[distant holly]

there are slopes, making it better than hollow knight

[sudden plover]

I DID IT

I FUCKING DID IT

[clever furnace]

I'll instead implement the reliable not falling into maggot water strat

[sudden plover]

FUCK YOU LACE I WON

[void prawn]

Replace it with lost mother silk who when killed spawns two lost laces who when one lost lace is killed spawns two lace 2s and when one of the lace 2s is killed spawns two laces

[distant holly]

no wonder trobbio is so fast with evolved hunter and cross stitch (which is now 3x needle)

[clever furnace]

@distant holly no buff to skills

[distant holly]

yeah

but cross stitch was 2.2 before

i think

[clever furnace]

yea

[distant holly]

so usual (focused) strikes deal 1.3x damage and cross stitch 3x

[distant holly]

lost phantom when

[distant holly]

falling into maggot water is the strat

[void prawn]

Volt vessel the maggot water

[distant holly]

oh

it might work actually

but it would be hard to time it so groal is diving

[void prawn]

Also where's the room with the mid stage muckroachws

[clever furnace]

in bilewater

@void prawn over here https://www.gamerguides.com/hollow-knight-silksong/maps/pharloom?markerId=231026&activeLayer=319

[void prawn]

Yay I just marked everything of interest

[split sluice]

Ok I’m almost at one of the biggest steel soul choke points

Act 3 first arena

[clever furnace]

GOOD LUCK ENDER!!!!!!!! -Mary

[split sluice]

I’m on the credits rn headed into act 3

Tfw a generic arena fight is more difficult than the final boss of act 2

[clever furnace]

Its so stupid lol -Mary

You can do this!!!!!

[split sluice]

Wish you got a full heal instead

I’m just gonna quit on the first sign of damage lol

Until I get a second heal

[clever furnace]

Okay, good luck!!! -Mary

[split sluice]

Actually wait you can quit and immediately get max health

Cool

Now that I’m max this is pretty easy and I can just enjoy the void combat theme

Act 3 proper reached. Let the rush to get festival of the flea active begin

Bell eater cleared

There are two friendly duels, yet I think one is missing

Vog

I just got the craw summons the first time I visited bellhart in act 3

[tawdry osprey]

happened to me lol

[clever furnace]

dude am mad
first tried groal on the practice

he dies stupidly fast with hivesteel

an ok second try too

dude how much health does he have

only 650? forebrother signis has more health

lace 2 has more health!

ok I haven't died once to them get, but still getting hit uneccesarily so will give it some more practice

chat, what do you think is gonna be the meta for a boss rush mode speedrun
hunter's looking very good with a free 50% by avoiding damage
though... I'm forgetting the one crest true ending speedrunners go out of their way for, shaman, with their 40% extra skill damage

aight, am fighting them out for real, I didn't die once to them in practice

[distant holly]

final boss? gms is a miniboss

[clever furnace]

there, done

took a bit because I lost the focus early on the fight but volt silkspear carried

time for friendly sharka duel

where she'll totally not land a killing blow on hornet if I fail

[distant holly]

warding bell

[clever furnace]

lol

[distant holly]

you will definitely miss heal once

[clever furnace]

ez first try

hm
lace 2 time

wait, I got broodmother to kill

[distant holly]

what about first sinner

[tawdry osprey]

ugh i still never did shakra duel

i have to try it at least one time

[clever furnace]

got her already

[distant holly]

first judge, appears in moss grotto near the start, and tells that it’s nice that hornet didn’t kill anybody in pharloom

[clever furnace]

ok why is broodmother dying so fast
is my dps that high with all my upgrades

ok well, real attempt ig

went ok

lace 2 practice

dude
skipped her third phase

WHY ARE BOSSES DYING SO FAST WHAT I GOING ON

did they shadow buffed barbed or smth

ok then, practice's over ig

radiant

[clever furnace]

dude I forgot the fucking flea in bilewater again}

[wooden sun]

All roads lead to Bilewater

[clever furnace]

it's well hidden tbf, up in a corner in the middle of a trapped linear area

you're only looking to pass through safely, having little incentive to look for secrets

oh, I totally forgot about the steel soul quest
summoned saviour time

done

got rudely reminded that they were not just a punching bag, but other than that one hit I took them down well

[broken plover]

Hopped back on silksong to beat up last judge because I had that "your missing something you piece of shit" feeling

Holy shit i cant fucking

I hate last judge

[clever furnace]

it's a category to defeat judge in the speedrun leaderboards if you want to give that a shot

[broken plover]

You know the boss is infamous/ popular when theres a fucking speed run for it

[clever furnace]

one last thing, the very last thing before moving to act 3!
second sentinel

oops
well I did call out that I would take on lace 2 for real and won so, I'll just move save file 3 to the second slot

[broken plover]

Yo who tf are these guys they appeared and kept bothering hornet by asking her to smile, can I kill them

[clever furnace]

in fact I radiant'd her, so no cheating to be found here

@broken plover why the flabbergast, I'm telling you it was legit and clean

[broken plover]

This is quite information

[clever furnace]

what, the radiant lace 2? it was super ez
dunno why but she dies extremely quick

[broken plover]

I just suddenly feel very

[clever furnace]

s.sentinel practice time

first attempt, got super close as expected, but actually won

[clever furnace]

dude I'm feeling so SKILLED right now

[split sluice]

About to fight karmelita

Just gotta route to her

[clever furnace]

chat, opinions on egg of flealia
do y'all get hit too much to make use of it

just joking there btw, genuinely curious about your thoughts

[barren ingot]

in theory could it pair well with something like intentionally overdosing?

or does that retain a 'max' HP

[clever furnace]

you must be full health to make use of it though
5 masks of damage is already taking 30 seconds to recover, assuming you don't get hit and interrupt the regen

6 seconds doesn't sound that much, but its an eternity in the numerous situations you're locked in with a boss or waves

[barren ingot]

I was operating under the assumption that it would not require full health, akin to Joni's Blessing

but I think it does retain a maximum HP, unlike that

so it probably wouldnt work

anyways it does seem useful for cheese strats, three silk hearts + flealia = infinite silk skills without needing to hit the enemy 👻

[clever furnace]

it also takes an eternity to regen the 3 silk
4 seconds for 2nd and 3rd strands

[barren ingot]

hence cheese strats

[clever furnace]

and like, 1.5 for 1st

[barren ingot]

I'm operating under the assumption that you've found a safe spot to hide from the enemy

[clever furnace]

ig

[dense wasp]

i think its actually pretty strong i use it on reaper and shaman

its also good on hunter but i find that i usually have enough silk anyways so i prefer sawtooth + volt + longclaw

[distant holly]

most pointless thing in silksong

[distant holly]

weavelight in question

the same thing, but a bit slower overall without the drawback of needing full health

[clever furnace]

it's a pretty massive economization of offensive silk, making it last 33% more

[dense wasp]

weavelight is faster iirc

[clever furnace]

speaking of, wonder why they didn't make any form of cheaper bind tool

[dense wasp]

i mean thats basically what multibinder does already

[clever furnace]

bind's always at 9, no less than that ever

[distant holly]

it regenerates silk faster, but you would need 4 instead of 3, so it’s a bit slower

[dense wasp]

weavelight is 9 seconds per spell and egg is 10

combined its 6 per spell

[barren ingot]

what's stopping you from doin both?

If you're using flealia you might as well commit to it

[distant holly]

then idk what the point of the egg

[dense wasp]

i think egg is much more useful than weavelight

[barren ingot]

probably specifically for a combined strat

[dense wasp]

i almost never have silk heart regen come into play

you have to have low enough silk and a long enough window to regen it

[clever furnace]

are y'all never at full health to actually use it to cast more skills?

[dense wasp]

also more silk keeps you at full health for longer given that i run every crest with iframes on silk skill

[distant holly]

shaman (which is reasonable for silk skill builds) has only 1 blue slot + 1 vesticrest

[dense wasp]

shaman has 2

[clever furnace]

2 blues

[distant holly]

[clever furnace]

though one is for putting volt filament obv

very big "put volt filament here" sign lol

[dense wasp]

i would have volt in my vesticrest if not for architect

i have longclaw there since i would probably run it on every crest if each crest just had an extra blue

[barren ingot]

oh, does vesticrest stay the same across loadouts? that's kinda annoying

[distant holly]

i don’t think there is much of a reason to use both weavelight and egg of flealia together tbh

[dense wasp]

going from 9 seconds per spell to 6 seconds per spell is like a 50% dps increase

[distant holly]

yeah, but then no other blue tools

you lose one mask, and now you have a useless tool until you bind

in most cases you would actually hit enemies with needle instead of waiting for passive regeneration anyway

[dense wasp]

yeah thats why im just saying weavelight isnt great for combat

[distant holly]

i would say weavelight might be a bit better since you can just get few silk faster passively and then just strike enemies . egg of flealia is useful only if you plan to immediately spam silk skills at once, and never get hit

like, you don’t need to wait for all 4 silk to regenerate, you can get like 2 and then hit twice, which shouldn’t be hard

[dense wasp]

i mean you hit more often than every 2.5s usually

and to get value out of weavelight you have to be below 4 silk already too

(excluding the .9s first heart but that one gets the smallest benefit since its already 1.5s)

[distant holly]

tbh both are kinda bad tools

[clever furnace]

true...

[distant holly]

you better like put the tool that makes needle strikes faster or something, since shaman has a good one

[clever furnace]

there's just blues with significantly better utility than weavelight
and egg of flealia is a dead slot as soon as you make a mistake

[distant holly]

barbed bracelet is kinda a better "make no mistakes" tool

[clever furnace]

yea, it doesn't demand perfection, but it does require getting hit 67.5% less than with regular masks

[clever furnace]

consider weavelight's competing with stuff like volt filament which is a straight buff to skills as an example

[split sluice]

Random thought: do you think second sentinel would get along with pinstress if they met?

[distant holly]

i used it to farm those grand reeds . with wanderer it’s enough damage for them to die before being able to attack at all

[clever furnace]

pinstress is very much not happy about the citadel using her teachings against the pin order in the past, so I don't think she'd be all too fond of seeing the one automaton made to use her skills

[dense wasp]

i think egg is actually quite good

i run it on reaper and shaman

[distant holly]

i would rather use longclaw or injector band

[split sluice]

I was just wondering because second sentinel would probably be willing to work with pinstress, since both of them would be against the haunting

[dense wasp]

i dont get the injector band appeal at i dont think ive struggled with finding healing windows at all

and what else do you run past longclaw + volt on reaper

[split sluice]

Two hearts left in steel soul, likely going to go green prince instead of nyleth

Just because seth is an actual threat to the run

[distant holly]

pin badge?

[dense wasp]

reaper has like the worst needle strike

its so bad

[clever furnace]

injector band's utility also extends the other way, it allows binds in situations that were previously too risky to perform one

[dense wasp]

i mean the bigger limitation on binding is silk generation not windows

[clever furnace]

true on that

[distant holly]

druid’s eyes, fractured mask, idk

[clever furnace]

literally less range than normal attack + hefty start lag like why did they need to butcher it so bad

[dense wasp]

druids eyes barely generates silk and mask isnt even that good past early game

reserve bind is basically better mask

[clever furnace]

one of the worst in terms of needle strike damage too

[distant holly]

claw mirrors turn binding into a damage source i guess

not really related, but warding bell would probably be useful for boss rushes since any miscalculated bind would be very bad on a boss rush, and it’s long enough that you may make a mistake

[clever furnace]

for an entire blue slot, I doubt it's worth over something with consistent utility

[distant holly]

yeah, but you loss all silk if you fail binding . so you are left with no silk and 2 masks less than before

[clever furnace]

killing the enmy faster means less healing meaning less need for a risky bind

[distant holly]

most bosses can’t be killed really fast

also with multibinder it would mean you still gain 2 masks if you are interrupted during the second bind of it

[split sluice]

Just got my final heart in steel soul, only getting the everbloom and fighting LL is left

[barren ingot]

sick

[barren ingot]

does dying in one of the heart-dreams end your run? I would assume not

I've heard that even dying to first sinner doesnt actually end the run

[split sluice]

No

I ‘died’ in lost verdania’s gauntlet

[barren ingot]

🫡

[split sluice]

Anyways everbloom acquired

BTW if you’re chill with doing the quit strat, my number one recommendation for steel soul tools is fractured mask

descending to the abyss, it’s LL time

It’s over.

[clever furnace]

yea, fractured is escencially your "you're fucking up too bad" bell to head towards the pause menu immediately

the only counter to that? getting knocked into a hazard immediately after

chat I'm feeling pretty alright on second sentinel, do I hop onto the real attempt?

[split sluice]

@hardy jolt

[clever furnace]

ggs btw, you've done it

[void prawn]

It's happening to this channel

It's dying

[split sluice]

Btw something interesting about the start of act 3, if you quit and start the save file you get full hp instead of 4

It made the initial void fight relatively unthreatening

[clever furnace]

practicing sentinel so much has made me actually appreciate just how fast hornet can do her basic jump
just a few frames and you're high up into the air, super good move

[broken plover]

I DONT WANNA USE BEAST CREST

But if I ever do, where can me aquire it

[clever furnace]

hunter's march, lowest entrance in the main area
needs drifter's cloak to access
crest's guarded by a savage beastfly

ez second sentinel radiant

did not stand a CHANCE, well fought by them though, really enjoy fast paced blade fights

this is my jab at pinstress btw
stop floating around and fight me ‼️

[void prawn]

I need a God home addition that has arenas like a replayable coral tower

[clever furnace]

✅

[void prawn]

Basic enemy's aren't enough to fight anymore

[clever furnace]

true

so I believe that's the last of act 2
oh, wait, got one more niche thing
certain courier wishes are unavailable on act 3 and they display on the list of completed tasks

[void prawn]

Does the muck gut thing count as completed too since those guys are dead

[clever furnace]

it does not
you can miss out on the roach guts materium entry too, but it's optional. the slot doesn't display when getting the farsight

[void prawn]

I MISSED A MATERIAL?

NO

[clever furnace]

rip

[clever furnace]

k only missing the songclave supplies wish, but I'm guessing it's unavailable as the caretaker is on the cradle

also it's not a act 2 exclusive so no worries there

and liquid lacquer, but it's not an exclusive and I want to see what the mask maker says about it on act 3

OK 👏 act 3 time

for tomorrow, am beaten up

[void prawn]

Mask maker? Liquid lacquer?

[sudden plover]

Lost lace? Someone find her!

[glad stratus]

The typa shit i be on

[clever furnace]

didn't find mask maker? it's on mount fay after getting faydown cloak
talking to them is one of the requisites for the liquid lacquer delivery
yes, deliver a 3 health item to them, have fun!

[void prawn]

It's obviously modded because the crest looks like wanderer but has witch bind

[glad stratus]

thats clawmirror

[void prawn]

That's only a... Way longer WAY longer rashers without a time limit

[clever furnace]

true

[glad stratus]

also i think that 2 sentinels hint that its nodded, and the healthbar, and the only needing 4 silk to bind, and the fact I use the auric aegis mod (I think thats what its called)

[clever furnace]

chat what would your opinion be of a blue tool that reduces bind cost to 3 but only heals 1 mask and still has the usual bind duration

aka a "back to hk" heal tool

[void prawn]

3/5 kinda broken with 3 silk hearts

[clever furnace]

hm I thought about it right about now, busted when you can afford to wait for silk regen
or about the middle ground? 6 silk for 2 masks?

[void prawn]

Hm

Maybe

With weave light you get 4 silk so that's only two hits buttttttt

[opal totem]

I want a crest with reduced bind cost

Let my witch regain silk with bind hits

[little ferry]

A HK soul-like healing would be cool but it would need a big debuff for something else

I wonder if modding in custom crests would be possible

Or changing them

[quiet sentinel]

i just realized for symphony of pharloom

the lace and phantom fight could be together :3

the 2 sisters battling together :3 kinda like how sisters of battle added a 3rd one into the mix

[opal totem]

That's one way to buff phantom

[distant holly]

it’s easier on act 3 actually

because of silk soar

[distant holly]

6 silk for 2 masks is way better, since most bosses deal 2 masks of damage making a 1 mask bind very unreliable

[opal totem]

Bind that heals 2 masks per 6 silk but you take one extra damage from all sources

Is that balanced

[hardy jolt]

[vocal canyon]

Hmm, seems a bit of a messy fight, but could be cool. I personally wish Phantom and Lace were remixed by themselves to have anti air

[opaque shard]

Nailmaster oro and mato but with the pinstresses

[quiet sentinel]

awooo :3

[hardy jolt]

awooooo :3

[little ferry]

Awoooo :3

[sudden plover]

Here's a challenge for you people:

Steal soul mode but the only damage you're allowed to do is with beast crest pogo and nothing else

[torpid hull]

beast crest pogo is my favorite 😈

I use beast crest for platforming

[unreal hedge]

how do you get to beast crest

[torpid hull]

hunters march

you gotta fight savage beastfly

but the temple one is easy

[glad stratus]

I did lacquer

I hated it

Alot

But I managed to get it done

[torpid hull]

what is the reward

[opaque shard]

Money

[torpid hull]

im getting the lacquer so i can break it

again and again

because what kind of reward is that 😭

[opal totem]

I think this quest exists just so more people get to learn about maskmaker

[torpid hull]

makes sense

[unreal hedge]

and how do you defeat it without dealing damage

[clever furnace]

hello higher beings

[opaque shard]

Hi dumbass

😈

[torpid hull]

uhhh

well theres a mod that lets you start with a specific crest

[clever furnace]

☹️☹️

[opaque shard]

[void prawn]

Morning peeps uh

Where is the mask maker?

[digital robin]

Mount Fay peak, you can see courier quests goals after accepting them

[unreal hedge]

on the map, that is

[void prawn]

Higher then the moth thing?

[clever furnace]

lower, but after you obtain the faydown cloak

also, liquid lacquer requires you to have spoken to mask maker, so their location's must be found

[unreal hedge]

the place where the map shows the icon

[clever furnace]

gms time

[void prawn]

Steel soul?

[sudden plover]

I need a mod that retextures the rosary cannon into a minigun

[clever furnace]

yea I've been on steel soul all this time

barbed steel soul no quits
I have been duping my save to practice, however, but I haven't cheated my way out of a loss

[void prawn]

Planning on a3?

[clever furnace]

ofc

[void prawn]

Real ones glass souled a7 the abyss strikes back

[clever furnace]

true
I am not that much of a gamer

[void prawn]

[clever furnace]

ok but why did gms die so fast

I don't think I need any more practice like wth

[split sluice]

Because it’s gms

[clever furnace]

anyway, gg on barbed steel soul no quits
but its no over yet, steel heart remains

just as a precaution, imma practice the first act 3 arena

the evil and intimidating voided enemy fight with only 4 masks, no tools and hunter crest only

[split sluice]

That arena is scary

[clever furnace]

ok that aint bad at all with needle strike

shrimple as that

bell eater time

I used to struggle a lot with this boss because of their high health relative to their chances of taking damage
but what better tool to abuse in downtime than needle strike

radiant lol
needle strike is just that good

real attempt time

what a throw

so... we go again then

[digital robin]

When YT recomend X years old videos is always peak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coPRIKOeeL4

[opaque shard]

[void prawn]

No

[torpid hull]

this reminds me of the time i coped when silksong got delayed for the xth time

[void prawn]

Dead silkchat

[slim fjord]

she was fighting hornet while singing with her eyes closed and was still one of the hardest bosses

[clever furnace]

feeling bored of steel soul, imma throw in no binding to the mix as well

[clever furnace]

eh, the change hasn't made this part of the game that much more interesting

I think I just need to do something else, I'm just sick of this

[void prawn]

Glass soul it

Lost enemies from act 1

Unarmed crest

[void prawn]

How come even though the hive is infected but wearing hiveblood makes them passive

[icy basin]

W or L tierlist

[void prawn]

W

I wish we could kill kratt and someone else would run that minigame

[icy basin]

i used him to practice flea juggle

[hardy jolt]

;randomflea

[torpid hull]

;randomkrattdeathscenario

[vocal canyon]

Kratt tier should be called Kill

But otherwise W

[clever furnace]

I had a lil epiphany
one of the many reasons I genuinely enjoy equipping barbed is that i hate seeing my health not-full, like it's oftentimes the case in this game where the heal is 3 masks at a time
so using a heal for 1 mask is not only a waste of resources, but hard to keep too, as 9 silk is a modestly expensive cost
with barbed, a single bind now heals 1.5 hits, a much more reasonable ratio to me

It is why I wanted to throw no binds into the mix out of the blue, I just hate bind that much

[barren ingot]

I think a reasonable change would be to make heals done when you have only 1/2 masks missing only take that fraction of your spool

but only for that niche scenario

just as a QOL thing

[clever furnace]

like an accessibility option ig? niche setting but I would take it

[broken plover]

Found some dead bozo in the blasted steps

Stole his dice lmao 😂😂😂😂

But what do the magnetite dice do :3

[clever furnace]

chance to deny damage when taking a hit
chance increases the longer it hasn't triggered but resets when activated

it also has a synergy with wanderer crest, increasing the chance of a critical hit from 2% to 2.2%

many people use it as there's not much else that directly helps you in combat in the yellow category

[broken plover]

Ooo epic

[clever furnace]

@broken plover effectively increases your health by ~7.79%

[broken plover]

Carefree melody but dice

[clever furnace]

lastly, it has a synergy with magnetite brooch
It decreases the delay before the rosaries are pulled by 30%

[broken plover]

Do i need to enter whiteward to get the the uhm erm the uhh spear dash thingy

[clever furnace]

it is one of the ways
the other way is the lift accessible after defeating trobbio @broken plover

[barren ingot]

not a setting, just make that the way it works

[broken plover]

This evil man keeps interrupting sherma time

[broken plover]

WHERE IS SHERMA IN WHITEWARD I DONT WANNA LOSE HIM

SHERMA TIME IS SACRED

[broken plover]

Crisis resolved

Sherma time shall live on

[barren ingot]

for now

[wooden sun]

Ooyy!
Ahhooyy!
OY!

[hardy jolt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRCMs_Ttvzw

peak

[distant holly]

of mount fay?

[icy basin]

this what happens when you needolin skull tyant btw

also damn widow has her own needolin dialogue

which is quite ironic

[opal totem]

Wait until someone mods in dreamnail and it turns out team cherry wrote the dialogue for it for every npc

[unreal hedge]

what's hornet's needolin dialogue

[glad stratus]

AAH I'm fighting nosk!! AAAAAA

[digital robin]

Winged nosk*

[glad stratus]

*broken vessel

I got the 2 mixed up

The more I play hollow knight the more I realize silksong is better in every way💔

[unreal hedge]

silksong has running, which makes it 100x better than HK

[digital robin]

Crazy how the people can improve after getting feedback and having infinite time to improve their product

[glad stratus]

God you are NOT allowed to heal during bosses

[glad stratus]

Another thing that makes silksong better

[digital robin]

Yes you are

Silksong health is silk dependant, while in HK is time dependant

most bosses get you openings to heal in certain attacks

[glad stratus]

There goes 1k geo💔

My shade just downslammed into spikes

Works for me ig💔

[digital robin]

Why are you upslashing on top of spikes?

[glad stratus]

I didn't say I was

I said my shade downslammed into spikes

[quiet sentinel]

does anyone even use sprintmaster ever 😭

[glad stratus]

Broken vessel run back is so annoying because I have to deal with those fucking mawlurks

[digital robin]

In silksong sprintmaster (anklets) actually seems useful (in part because yellow tools are super bad)

[quiet sentinel]

huh?

i was talking about hollow knight

i love anklets i think ever since i got them i had never taken them off

the snipping sound they make is soo satisfying

[digital robin]

Yea, I mean that while in HK it was super forgettable, Silksong buffed them enought to be an actual good tool

[quiet sentinel]

yah

[glad stratus]

This is genuinely so annoying

If the runback didn't have all those fucking mawlurks in it it wouldn't be as annoying

[split sluice]

I need vroom

[dapper summit]

just watched a video about hollow knight's humble beginnings and never realized that the devs are australians

would that imply that Hallownest is Australia underground

[opaque shard]

No thats just normal Australia

[dapper summit]

so what would Heirloom be

[opaque shard]

???you mean pharloom?

[torpid hull]

i occasionally use sprintmaster if I try to move around quickly

[distant holly]

does it mean deltarune is better than undertale because of it too

[void prawn]

No

Undertale is better because of togore dremmur

[distant holly]

togore is in deltarune

did you even play the game?

[void prawn]

Originated in ut tho

Plus the dirty brother route in ut is peak

[clever furnace]

Pablo is a peak character -Azazel

Oh wait

Am i allowed to mention him?

Or is that spoilers?

Oh wait, nvm

Spoilers are allowed in here

So,

What was your imediate reaction when you guys discovered Pablo?

How did he make you feel?

[void prawn]

Peakness

Seth gave more peak tho

[dense wasp]

if its the broken vessel runback you can open a shortcut that makes it so its basically just cdash to get there

[clever furnace]

Fym seth gave more peak????

Than PABLO?!?!?!?! -Azazel

[void prawn]

Yes

[clever furnace]

What??? -Azazel

He doesn't even hold that much significance in the story

Pablo on the other hand

Is just better

His fight is better

[void prawn]

But Seth is so goated

[clever furnace]

His dialogue is better

His character design is better

And his theme is better -Azazel

[void prawn]

Seth has a higher score in flea bounce

[clever furnace]

Pablo doesnt waste his time with foolish games -Azazel

[void prawn]

Pablo also dies in act 19 Seth survives

[clever furnace]

Pablo gave his life to save the Kingdom of Dunglfard -Azazel

While Seth was the one that led it to be in danger in the first place

[void prawn]

Seth fought for the growing kingdom of fleatopia against lost gms lost groal lost lace and lost phantom tho

[glad stratus]

Where is the skip

[dense wasp]

to the right after the mawlurk section iirc

its just to the right of the arena basically

[distant holly]

in my first playthrough, i died and my dream shield killed broken vessel

[dense wasp]

eye for an eye i suppose

[clever furnace]

Pablo defeated Found Beastfly with his arms tied behind his back -Azazel

[opaque shard]

Pablo is the fourth coming of pale king

[void prawn]

Seth beat lost karmelita and lost last judge with his eyes

[distant holly]

usually, if you kill the boss during your death animation, it counts as a win

somehow it happened when i fought trobbio last time

[opaque shard]

In skurrys playthorugh they died to last judges death explosion and it didnt count 🥀

[clever furnace]

Found Beastfly is infinetly more difficult than those -Azazel

[void prawn]

You calling lost last judge a fraud ok

[dense wasp]

the boss is still doing an attack tbf

[distant holly]

i think team cherry probably made it an actual attack rather than death

[distant holly]

it was very close to being real 💔

apparently, there is a hp value for blackthreaded last judge

[void prawn]

Do you need to beat last judge for act 3 anyway?

[distant holly]

it’s impossible to see ingame because last judge is required to be beaten for act 3

[glad stratus]

I C-DASHED PAST MY SHADE FUCK

[void prawn]

Hey don't freaking swear

[glad stratus]

Poop

[distant holly]

last judge is required for flea caravan

💔

[glad stratus]

OH RIIGHHTT

[distant holly]

what if you fight phantom with architect crest

[glad stratus]

Then you fight her with architect crest

[void prawn]

They should've made it so that if you only beat phantom the flea caravan would move there instead

[distant holly]

hornet uses silk skill with architect crest, immersion broken

[glad stratus]

God this boss is so annoying

LET ME HEAL BRUH DAMN

I LOVE how you cant jump after a dash which makes dodging annoying as shit

[dapper summit]

mb. so what would pharloom be?

[opaque shard]

Idk maybe Arab

[clever furnace]

so another steel soul ruined
but this time it's because I didn't want to get sent to the slab after failing to kill a wardenfly
and quitting to avoid punishment is against the spirit of steel soul, forcing me to restart
it was midway through act 1 so it didn't sting too hard but I definitely should still respect the cage wardenflies

Honestly if I get caught again I'll just restart the run, I just hate the slab sequence that much

[opaque shard]

How did you even manage that
I didnt encounter a wardenfly in my first playthrought till i was in like mid act 2

[clever furnace]

there's a spot in deep docks close to hunter's march that has a cage wardenfly after obtaining cling grip

the entrance to the room is easy enough to flying enemy pogo to it, but you encounter a spear skarr + skarr scout instead

the room is otherwise an unusual dead end

[opaque shard]

Ik that room

but its optional isnt it?

why did you go there in steel soul

[clever furnace]

uhh
I like killing things

[opaque shard]

💔

[clever furnace]

and completing everything I can get, i feel acomplished

[icy basin]

there we go the "might just save your entire steel soul run" tool

now the question is

should i go judge and deal with the 4 mask underwork

or should i go phantom and deal with sinners road

oh also judge is just a scarier boss

bro tf did i do 😭

[hardy jolt]

"good" is so funny 😭 😭

[void prawn]

Phantom

[icy basin]

good 😭

[icy basin]

okie

[void prawn]

She's easier just don't die in the mist

[icy basin]

thats funny there's a non-zero chance i do die there

but then again there's a non-zero chance i die to judge+underworks as well

i mean i alr have all the possible survival tools ima just pray now

[clever furnace]

@icy basin if underworks is too much trouble at your stage, you can climb the scales and go through a breakable wall up into choral chambers

[icy basin]

i mean i thought you need double jump for that

[clever furnace]

no you do not

[icy basin]

oh damn

[clever furnace]

at the start of the puzzle you need to hit some scales from below to proceed, but that's as complicated as it gets

[icy basin]

damn

[distant holly]

which

[distant holly]

just be fast

you need to just solve three rooms

1. solve
2. solve
3. any horizontal exit
4. the transition room
5. solve
6. right exit (unless there are two right exits, then solve)

[void prawn]

Isn't the breakable wall choral chambers sided?

[icy basin]

damn

[distant holly]

could be additional rooms if you get the evil one

the one without a right exit, and just one horizontal (which could be your entrance)

if you do get wraiths, jump and pogo right after they charge

[icy basin]

ngl i wish i could just parry the wraiths

but unfortunately

[clever furnace]

has anyone ever seen what happens to your position indicator if you enter the mist with the compass?

[icy basin]

parry is literally right after mist

[clever furnace]

btw chat what's your view on shell shards as tool currency? did it feel reasonable? pointless? frustrating?

imo, they're redundant with the tool cap keeping you off from draining your shards around
they would've been better being capless but drain the shard amount every throw
wait... that's just soul 2.0

[icy basin]

shell shards are weird

what i dont like is that your shell shard level is literally either in the state of overflowing or completely empty

[clever furnace]

I wish it was empty, but the tool cap is so frustrating for me I literally never bother with them, not even on first playthrough

[barren ingot]

I thiiink it might've made more sense if you could use them for smth else as well.

[hardy jolt]

like most games with limited consumables it made me not wanna use tools as much

[icy basin]

also it really limits tool usage in bosses and sorta discourages using tools

[barren ingot]

like maybe a shard/rosary exchange?

[icy basin]

shard bundles

[barren ingot]

cant use shards to get rosaries.

[icy basin]

yea tru

[barren ingot]

'cause the most annoying thing is when you're at the cap but dont need to use your tools so you're just wasting shards

could give players an incentive to go sell their excess shards

[icy basin]

also i wish we can just be more lenient on our shell shard usage wthout thinking stuff like "if i die to groal this time i won't have enough shards to spam pimpillos the next attempt"

[distant holly]

there should be a faster way to buy 💔

[barren ingot]

shard losses should be reverted on death for sure, if that hasnt already been changed

[icy basin]

also tc should really make an npc bundles shell shard together for shard bundles/beast shards

[barren ingot]

I never really ran out of shards tho personally, I ended up having a whole collection of shard bundles by the end of the game

[distant holly]

it’s so long to buy 20 shell bundles with that confirm menu

[clever furnace]

oh, and make shard drop per hit 🔥
now we playing hollow knight!

[icy basin]

i think having pebb do that in the early games and jubliana do that for the late game just solve some of the shell shards issues ngl

[distant holly]

you get enough rosaries to buy shell shards since act 2, but it’s really long animations

[opaque shard]

Sad fact: in my first playthrough thats what I thought buying shard bundles did thinking they costed 50 shell shards and ended up poor (yes im dumb)

[icy basin]

😭

[distant holly]

should be an option to just buy 20 bundles at once

[distant holly]

that’s kinda too overpowered

[barren ingot]

how so? All it changes is that you wont have to leave, grind, and come back after a certain number attempts

doesn't affect the fight itself

[distant holly]

since it means you have infinite amount for the fight

[opaque shard]

Ok heres an idea: what if there was an npc that would give you rosaries in exchange for shards?

[barren ingot]

you're capped by your tools regardless 🧐

[barren ingot]

#1407386303796088832 message 🫵 🤯

[opaque shard]

Didnt see it

💔

[distant holly]

yeah, but losing fights is kinda the only way to actually spend shell shards, on successful fight it won’t ever be more than like 100 . not the best system, but it looks like that’s intended

[unreal hedge]

same

[opaque shard]

I wanted to make an custom skin for skong but hornet has like 5 gazillion atleases 💔

[unreal hedge]

i was constantly at full and never needed to use a bundle
despite heavy tool usage lol

[distant holly]

they shouldn’t have make growstone steel soul exclusive though

[barren ingot]

I could imagine someone consistently using Cogflies running into more issues