Silksong Discussion (soiler warning)

[clever furnace]

I sure hope an entire area isn't steel soul only, it seems that I've already proven myself that I'd not be able to experience it legit

[broken plover]

How much of a skill issue does one need to struggle with cogwork dancers

[clever furnace]

eh, anything can be hard for some people but not for others

[wise monolith]

reached the citadel in steel soul

its been fun

lots of close calls
now its time for the hardest* part

[broken plover]

I genuinely just kinda struggle with the fact theres two, I know they have extremely predictable attacks, I just tend to focus on one and forget the other

[wooden sun]

I would recommend focusing on both of their attacks, and only going to attack the closest one to you at any given point.

[ashen badger]

Lmao cute

[wise monolith]

go my cool secret lace encounter! (i got sinners road lace but i didnt screenshot it ugh)

[wise monolith]

he's like a sad puppy

[ashen badger]

Peak

[wise monolith]

i love skipping lace <3

[split sluice]

Skip lace 2 then

[distant holly]

either there is a way to nullify the permadeath issue or nobody plays it

[barren ingot]

that's kinda irrelevant to what I was saying, I was explicitly speaking personally

[distant holly]

whatever silk soul mode was

[wise monolith]

ok

go my glitches

[split sluice]

Pogo storage time

[distant holly]

yeah, but barely anybody actually plays permadeath modes lol

[barren ingot]

but... I wasn't talking about that, I was just saying I personally find them more interesting

[wise monolith]

🔥

[split sluice]

I think permadeath really only works in games that can be completed in a fairly short timeframe

[distant holly]

most games?

[split sluice]

Kills you

[wooden sun]

50 hours is a short timeframe?

[split sluice]

Puts you in putrified ducts

[distant holly]

most games can be beaten at any% under like 10 hours

[split sluice]

I’d say an average silksong 100% time could be around 20-25 hours

Not bad

(This is based on playthroughs past the first)

[distant holly]

imagine if pantheons in hollow knight weren’t dream realm

[split sluice]

When I was playing OG HK I could get to 100% and be within the constraints for the 20h speedrun achievement without even trying

[distant holly]

dying to absolute radiance in steel soul

[dense wasp]

id say 13-20

[split sluice]

You know how we call absolute radiance abs rad for short?

Someone should draw radiance with a six pack

[distant holly]

that’s kinda why i wasn’t worried about that achievement, since it’s not very difficult to get it

[dense wasp]

my steel soul was around 13h

the 100%

[distant holly]

absolute grand mother silk when

[split sluice]

Genuinely want this

[distant holly]

(has 7 blades instead of 6)

[split sluice]

I hope if we do get a GMS buff, it’s pure vessel style

Changing the fight to make it extremely challenging, and introducing new and unique attacks

Also I just realized we technically saw one of the generic void attacks before silksong even came out…

[distant holly]

void gms (gms with generic void attacks occasionally)

[split sluice]

Ok but how about this

[distant holly]

also one arm

[split sluice]

Absolute GMS, with a last phase where she becomes lost GMS and slowly starts to weaken, and once killed: shade lord fight

[distant holly]

hornet fights siblings just for fun

challanging shade lord fight but it’s a duel like with shakra and has moss mother theme

[split sluice]

If shade lord were to be a boss, I’d want it’s theme to be relatively calm, with the HK main menu motif and abyss ambience

I think a ‘grand’ theme wouldn’t fit for it, since it’s kind of the opposite of bosses like radiance and GMS lore wise

[distant holly]

i think it would be better to have a fight against some other void creature . there isn’t really a reason why hornet would fight shade lord , but some other void creature(s) infected pharloom and tried to kill hornet.

[split sluice]

Maybe potentially to separate ghost from the overall entity? or to free the Godseekers from its hold

[broken plover]

If the godseeker ending is the most likely ending that silksong takes place after, do you think The sealed vessel/hollow knight is still roaming around hollownest

[dim harbor]

I honestly assumed it was dreams no more ending rather them god seeker

[wooden sun]

The Hollow Knight might just be sulking at the ruins of the white palace, still waiting for his father to return.

[glad stratus]

Best experienced blind and paired with sisters of sin mod

(I assume I can share ocs here) He has a flintnail :0

[clever furnace]

just did this gautlet without shakra's help, it genuinely felt easier to do

[mental shuttle]

Wait what
How did you do it without her????
I thought it was scripted to always be with her

[split sluice]

She died in the cleanest part of bilewater, this is proof that the bile water is truly the fountain of youth

[mental shuttle]

It was too late for her to recover

[quiet sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBLmE2qoLVg

[split sluice]

Hunters march simulator

[clever furnace]

visited shellwood before hunter's march which definitely had something to do with it because she's there when I go hunter's march after getting swift step

the stranger part is that shakra was in hunter's march still, in her alternate spot close to the chapel of the beast

[mental shuttle]

Strange

[clever furnace]

am not complaining though, her not interfering genuinely helped

[mental shuttle]

How

[clever furnace]

all audio cues are only enemy actions, enemies are not pushed around, their health is predictable, and you're not robbed of silk

and less visual stimuli too

[opal totem]

Consider that you shouldn't be interfering and just let her solo the entire arena

She's just that good

[clever furnace]

whew

[split sluice]

Just beat phantom on my steel soul file

Which means act 2 time

[broken plover]

Holy shit i think I might actually have a skill issue with cogwork dancers

Wtf

[mental shuttle]

Ive come to a revalation

All the crests are peak

[mental shuttle]

Reverse skill issue????

[clever furnace]

lost lace no hit on my speed completion file

[digital robin]

You also get one of the worst trinkets turned into a top tier trinket (if you use tools). Which makes Overdosing a lot easier

And a new color of paint for your home

[clever furnace]

i genuinely forgot barbed bracelet existed for a moment so here's a smoother no hit

also wow this boss is consistent so i don't think i'll have any issues with it on steel soul tomorrow

[torpid hull]

am i the only one who uses beast crest

for literally everything

[opal totem]

I use beast crest for racing, is that good enough

[torpid hull]

yes

[vocal canyon]

i use it for my steel soul attempts, but just so I can get better at it. Not sure how much I enjoy using it

[clever furnace]

needle strike mvp 🔥

[sudden plover]

They should make kratt die if you hit him 10 times outside of his spa and it locks you out of act 3 forever

[opaque shard]

Nah you get the best ending possible

you consult gms on her trauma and everyone lives happily ever after

[full vale]

what the fuck

did my gif rights get disabled

fuck you

[opaque shard]

Lmao loser

[full vale]

?!?!?

[woven basin]

Guys I just beat pantheon of knight in hollowknight this means I 112%ed and 100%ed both games

[full vale]

nive

[torpid hull]

good job

[sudden plover]

Oh my God

Trobbio is a butterfly and he makes tornadoes

Trobbio is the butterfly effect

[clever furnace]

anyone else get thrown off by getting hit or is it just me
I almost radiant'd widow but got hit by a bell, and then I immediately ran into her slash-across-the-floor attack and lost the fractured

it was going perfectly fine until I mistep a lil, then it was almost over instantly

ig, that is the risk of barbed

[vocal canyon]

The momentum loss is real. I get that too, when ido my hitless attempts

[clever furnace]

wym by this

glitches in my silksong????

[barren ingot]

have you seen the savage beastfly 2 cheese thingy

I think it was posted here

[clever furnace]

tf

[clever furnace]

man, thread storm got so butchered by its nerf

[tawdry osprey]

what happened to it

[clever furnace]

massive damage decrease

[tawdry osprey]

how much is massive damage

like

half?

[clever furnace]

looking at the wiki, previously it did 0.75x needle damage each hit over 5 hits, which could be extended by another 5 hits for 0.33x damage each
now, any 4 hits to an enemy do 0.75x damage each, but any further hits have severely reduced damage
the second part still has a missing reference, but the difference is really noticeable

I'd have to agree with the common consensus that extending thread storm is just not worth anymore

went from an absolute shredder of a silk skill if you could position yourself correctly to use it at its full potential to a silkspear with less range but that hits above and below

It is more in line with other silk skills ig, it does feel like it should do more damage though

[tawdry osprey]

so sad

it was the ultimate skill

[opaque shard]

You could say....
Ultimate silk skill

[clever furnace]

what the fuck @tawdry osprey
holy shit it is not worth extending PERIOD

[tawdry osprey]

+1+1+1

[wooden sun]

It's like you're just slapping them with a thread of silk.

[wise monolith]

silksong stealing souls

[foggy grotto]

I feel like this has to be a bug

there's no way they just did that on purpose

[wise monolith]

isnt this a bug

[clever furnace]

dude I almost radiant phantom but got hit last second why am I so bad

Is the mist an actual "magical" place or is it like... a gameplay interpretation of hornet getting lost in sinner's by all the fog

[wooden sun]

Seeing as we see what the mist actually looks like after we defeat Phantom, I'd think it's somewhat both, since the rooms are there but all the directions are messed up.

[vocal canyon]

Phantoms illusions basically

[sudden plover]

OH MY GOD I thought Shakra was dead cuz she wasn't outside bellhart she just moved to her little spot 😭

[clever furnace]

If anyone ever wondered, yes you can get Bugs of Pharloom wish on act 1
but you need to get abducted into the slab

there's exactly 104 enemy entries obtainable

or 99 without being taken to the slab

this is without counting last judge as she forces you into act 2 (unless you save and quit ig)

wait, I forgot someone
didn't fight moorwing

edited

I also forgot 2 entries
winged lifeseed and grom

It is worse than I thought, you get 99 entries at most before act 1 without visiting the slab

[sudden plover]

Smol boi

[barren ingot]

a runt, even

[sudden plover]

He did not deserve what his siblings did

GARMOND NOOOO

NOOOOOOOOOO

[clever furnace]

wonder why the entrance to choral chambers from grand gate was barricaded

[sudden plover]

Garmond my guy please don't do this to me please

Please I'm sorry

[ashen badger]

Furthest i've gotten in Steel soul

nervous and afraid to die :')

I'm aware that going against bosses like The last judge is gona end in my death

[clever furnace]

Where are you? -Juno

[ashen badger]

Ehhhh about to head to sinners road to kill Phantom, wanna get as strong as i can to beat the exclusive boss, then i'll maybe try to finish the game and see what i do from there

[clever furnace]

Ooh, okay, good luck! -Juno

[ashen badger]

Killed Widow, close to 7 masks, trying to upgrade my tools

got the thing that gives them poison

[clever furnace]

Okay, nice

[ashen badger]

Gona stick to hunters crest

no time to get used to anything else

What bosses don't kill you

The dream ones and the first sinner?

[clever furnace]

Yeah, those are the only ones

[ashen badger]

Got it

[sudden plover]

Just beat flea dodge

[ashen badger]

Nvm :3

died stupidly in the mist

[wooden sun]

The mist consumes

[rustic schooner]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1065385117398347837/1420156080981414010/scug_rollin.gif

[ashen badger]

True

dying in the silliest of ways so peak

[wooden sun]

Reminds me of my Noita days,
Spending hours becoming almost immortal, only to die to a single pixel of instant-deathium and lose everything.

[ashen badger]

:0)

God fucking dammit

[wooden sun]

What happen?

[ashen badger]

I'm suprisingly not happy about losing

[wooden sun]

ah

[clever furnace]

I give up
complete throw to trobbio

uninstalled and hidden, no barbed steel heart from me

[opal totem]

True

[clever furnace]

damn, I literally got nothing else to do without skong

[opal totem]

True

[split sluice]

Play ultrakill custom levels, easy :3

[clever furnace]

@quiet sentinel

[quiet sentinel]

YAY CONGRATS

15 hours is crazy good time too

[rich vale]

is there a easier way to get to cogwork dancers that doesnt have those annoying big guards?

[full vale]

no

[opaque shard]

I mean did you find the ||first shrine?||

Theres still some big guys through there but its close to the boss

[rustic schooner]

the what

oh that

[hardy jolt]

awooo :3

[sudden plover]

The child

He deserves love

I want to hug him

Even if he is very likely at least a little tiny bit very disgusting to the touch (he lives near maggot water)

[quiet sentinel]

awooooo :3

[icy basin]

i love this video lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9jqMn5XBQg

its like first sinner but hard

[rich vale]

I got to third phase in cogwork dancers

[mental shuttle]

Who the fuck

[opal totem]

Hunterling

[little ferry]

Is this like the third thing I missed

[dim harbor]

silksong has too many little things to figure them all out yoursel

[distant holly]

because you have wanderer probably

[little ferry]

I need a list of easily missable things

Actually just give me a list of everything so I can have the ultimate second playthrough

[opal totem]

This guy is more optional than missable

[sudden plover]

If you don't do brood feast, her kids will hatch and eat her. This little guy is named runt, he is the weakest and was left without food by his siblings so you basically do brood feast but for the child

[mental shuttle]

😭

[little ferry]

They're not mutually exclusive if anything an optimal thing is extra missable

[opal totem]

I mean you either miss out on huntress's quest or this guy

[little ferry]

I'm very up to do that quest for the little guy

True

[sudden plover]

He eeps like a bat

[little ferry]

Silksong the you have to do at least two playthroughs to not miss things sequel of Hollow Knight

[sudden plover]

I avoided brood feast specifically to see the boi

[little ferry]

I did like all quests as soon as possible so I guess for my second playthrough I gotta ignore everything and go for the ending and then slowly do quests

For a3 you only need the town quests?

[opal totem]

Steel soul already forces that

[sudden plover]

Does Sherma just wear the hood OVER his symbol hat?

[little ferry]

I need to get better at the game to do steel soul

[distant holly]

trobbio actually does spinjitsu from ninjago series

[wooden sun]

Does this imply we'll be getting The Green Trobbio?

[distant holly]

the same happens when i try to use tools so i don’t use them

[void prawn]

No

[little ferry]

Blue trobbio

Everyone should make a trobbio OC

[void prawn]

But

No

[little ferry]

Hits you with hammers

[wooden sun]

Trobbio-C for short

[little ferry]

True

[distant holly]

shakra and garmond don’t either

[ashen badger]

Oh good to know

Me and my homie Garmond fighting the morwing

[little ferry]

There's a Shakra fight?

[ashen badger]

( He barely does anything but i like to have him when i try it)

[opal totem]

Second sentinel as a forum helper dlc when

[little ferry]

It's the thought that counts

[ashen badger]

Silkflies boss when

[wooden sun]

Yes, and it's unfortunately really easy to lock yourself out of

[little ferry]

Where

[opal totem]

Not as easy as Garmond

[distant holly]

garmond is way easier

shakra can be fought anytime before act 3

[ashen badger]

It's the anxiety inducing idea of dying in Steel soul mode every time i face that flying son of a gun

[distant holly]

after completing the requirements

[little ferry]

Well its garmond
He's a little silly guy

[distant holly]

just skip moorwing

smh

[ashen badger]

That takes time

[little ferry]

What are the requirements

[ashen badger]

And i like owning that beach

[distant holly]

the fleas aren’t hard to find

💔

you need just 5 fleas

[ashen badger]

They aren't

i know

I skipped it on my first ever run

[distant holly]

it shouldn’t be longer than fighting moorwing

[ashen badger]

I just don't want to do what you are telling me to do

[distant holly]

well

[ashen badger]

Lol

I wanna fight it

[distant holly]

that’s too good smh

[ashen badger]

Takes like an hour to get to moorwing who cares xd

[distant holly]

fourth chorus 💔

[opal totem]

Unravelled

[ashen badger]

Every cogwork robot has silkflies in

[ashen badger]

Ehhh i mean that's technically haunted silk

[distant holly]

that’s dead bugs corrupted by silk

like mistakes in hollow knight lol

[ashen badger]

Yes

[distant holly]

but silk instead of soul directly

[ashen badger]

Silk is akin to soul

[distant holly]

it is soul

according to materium

[ashen badger]

Yuh

[opal totem]

If silk is soul then why did team cherry call that quest silk and soul, are they stupid

[ashen badger]

You think the first silkfly that helped Hornet escape did it out of its own will or it was being directed by Lace

[distant holly]

it’s funny if it was lace

[ashen badger]

We do see her conducting them

[opal totem]

It's funnier if it wasn't

[distant holly]

i hoped it would be explained in the game who directed the fly 💔

new theory: phantom sent the fly

[ashen badger]

Would make sense, Lace wanted to get rid of Hornet and also take the chance of gms getting her away

[ashen badger]

If it wasn't then that's kinda beautiful

A bug's soul last act of free will being to mess with the citadel that turned it into that

[distant holly]

no it was an accident

[opal totem]

Eh, a random fly deciding to free hornet just because is a lot less impactful than Lace doing that because of her relationship with the mother

[ashen badger]

Oof i'm tired of flying all day oh hell yeah a resting sp-

[opal totem]

I doubt a random soul would have a knowledge of how much impact some captured weaver will have on this kingdom

[distant holly]

the soul of secret third silk child, phace

[ashen badger]

The Lace explanation makes more sense and builds more on the themes of motherhood and the relation between Lace and GMS but knowing the full scope of what the pilgrims were subjected too i also like the idea of a pilgrims soul last sacrifice being to give the others like them a chance

But yeah it was probably Lace

[opal totem]

Widow thinks she's in the team

[ashen badger]

She is technically also their sister

It's not like any of them are blood related

Ok well i guess Lace and Phantom were directly created out of silk

[opal totem]

Lace and phantom kinda are

[split sluice]

They’re all soul related IG

[ashen badger]

They are more like her direct daughters yeah

[split sluice]

Since all of them came from GMS’s silk in a way

[ashen badger]

Weavers were random bugs given power

But also their daughters

you don't need a blood relation to consider someone your parent

Widow is so cool

[opal totem]

Imagine getting adopted because your parent wanted a free labor force

[ashen badger]

Yeah

I mean it's not like GMS didn't love any of them to some extend

Idk she is weird, maternal but in the same sense an animal is maternal

Maybe it gets a little funky and eats some of its kids

[ashen badger]

I like that theory i've been seeing that she was loyal to GMS and the other weavers fucked her up like that so she couldn't get in their way

[opal totem]

What about drapemite theory

[ashen badger]

See that could be the case? but what about the dream we see when we bind widow, First sinner shows us how she was created and how she found out they weren't actually divine, it's likely that the dream and words we see in that dream are of Widow herself

And she looked like any other weaver

brain not working

[opal totem]

I don't really understand what that dream was about tbh

At first I thought it's just random weavers keeping gms asleep

[ashen badger]

It shows us how they were created just to play song for GMS pretty much

to sustain her

[opal totem]

Close enough

[ashen badger]

That's what Widow says
Her light
Eternal
Our song sustains

That's what they were made for

[sudden plover]

Silson

[opal totem]

This also explains why it's needles sticking out of her back and not pins or some other weapon

[split sluice]

Bilewater would never be that bad

[opal totem]

Unrelated, but I really like the design of Garmond's weapon and I want to see more lore on it

Were weaponized music instruments a normal thing in his village

[ashen badger]

It also never clicked with me that the dialogue we see in the dreams we get when we get the silk hearts is GMS speaking

[opal totem]

Yeah I realized that only recently

[ashen badger]

Child... Weaver...
...Child... Spider...
...Arrived... At last...
...Our Silk...
...Our strength...
...Our nature...
...We feel it...
...Rise... Rise...

She is speaking directly to Hornet

Telling her to go up, to meet her gramgrams

[opal totem]

I thought it's some collective weaver consciousness because of how similar this sounded to bound weaver text

[ashen badger]

Come child....witness....our waking
This makes more sense when you consider that cut ending

Where she fuses with Hornet

and takes over everything

[ashen badger]

Same ig

[sudden plover]

What does he use?

[opal totem]

Hornlance

[sudden plover]

I met him like

Once in songclave

And that's it

And then I did his quest in act 3

[ashen badger]

We also get some characterization for her and what she thinks of other bugs (very mean)
..Their voices... Their song...
...Their memory...
...Bind their shells...
...Bind their souls...
...Bind them all...
...Raise them... Up...
...To devote... Eternal...
...One mind... One union...
...They are ours... Bound forever...

[sudden plover]

She just wants slavory

[ashen badger]

get a life lady

[quiet sentinel]

you do realise shes spiteful cause her own children turned on her lol

i think a lot of ppl forget that and it paints gms in such a worse image

[ashen badger]

Heard that maybe it's just part of a Higher beings nature to one to enslave bugs

[sudden plover]

Her fault

She lied

I feel like they wouldn't have been as mad if she didn't lie and say they were her divine daughters or smth

[ashen badger]

She has her flaws, but so do the weavers

[opal totem]

I don't really get an impression that gms is comonly viewed as some horrible evil

[quiet sentinel]

she didnt lie about anything the weavers are throwing a big tantrum

[ashen badger]

After we free P man in bellhart, what he felt while being connected to her was sorrow

[quiet sentinel]

you realize the citadel is their doing rihht

not gms

the overworked bugs is their doing

the conductors is their doing

[ashen badger]

Yeah

[quiet sentinel]

lol

[sudden plover]

Aren't there multiple pieces of dialogue saying that she lied to the weavers and said that they were divine and stuff?

[ashen badger]

Mae pls

[quiet sentinel]

are you 13

[opal totem]

She called them children to earn their devotion, that's not exactly good

[sudden plover]

Why is that related?

[quiet sentinel]

because you seem to not be reading very well

[sudden plover]

.-.

[barren ingot]

❓ dont be rude

[sudden plover]

Yeah that's just rude

I'm out

[quiet sentinel]

vye

[ashen badger]

Yeah GMS didn't actually cause nothing of what we see in the game, It was the weavers who trapped her, who made the citadel that destroyed all the other kingdoms in Pharloom
And it was only due to the conductors being greedy and injecting everything with silk that she was even able to haunt the kingdom

[quiet sentinel]

thats not a really bad thing though

like
not as bad as what the weavers did at least

imo they are so much more at fault than she is

cant argue against capitalism

[ashen badger]

No one is perfect in the story, but from among all the evils GMS did the least harm to the world prior to silksong

[opal totem]

Weavers were forced into the situation where they either serve gms forever or keep her asleep forever

Or pass that on normal bugs

I don't blame them

[quiet sentinel]

in hindsight that was pretty rude sorry

[sudden plover]

She's still kinda a dick ngl

[ashen badger]

Yeah but weavers wanted to escape at all cost

[quiet sentinel]

they couldve ran but instead they chose to overthrow her for their own kingdom

[ashen badger]

They did some horrible things

[sudden plover]

It's kind of rude to lie to the people you made saying they're god-like and divine and stuff

[opal totem]

Idk if running was that simple

[sudden plover]

Just tell them where they came from

[sudden plover]

If they just ran, she would've hunted them down pretty fast

[ashen badger]

Yeah weavers sat atop the throne acting like gods to the lesser bugs until they saw GMS would eventually wake up and fucked off

[opal totem]

They didn't exactly overthrow her for the purpose of building the kingdom, they just wanted freedom at any cost

[quiet sentinel]

oh no, the consequences of our actions

[ashen badger]

Yes She is, at her core she is still a beast, but i don't blame her that much

[quiet sentinel]

they wanted freedom cause its an ego thing

[sudden plover]

Why did the weavers get pissed off tho?

Like

Oh no you're adopted

[quiet sentinel]

"naive foundation" they couldnt handle the truth 😭

[sudden plover]

That's literally what it is

[ashen badger]

talking to a wall

[opal totem]

Did I miss the part of the lore that confirmed gms will eventually wake up no matter what and that was the reason weavers fled?

[sudden plover]

Like still a shitty thing to hide from the people you raised but it's not that big of a deal

[ashen badger]

Theres not a single character in Pharloom that speaks of the weavers in a positive light

[opal totem]

Weaver effigies

[sudden plover]

Yeah werent they like

Worshiped like higher beings

[opal totem]

Also architect I think

[sudden plover]

There WERE people who liked them

But judging from how few effigies there are

Probably not a lot of people

[ashen badger]

Actually yeah, cause the only thing that made her start to wake up was the greed of the common bugs of the citadel, if weavers had been there nothing would have happend idk why they all left, other than wanting to leave the kingdom

[slim fjord]

widow is a bald weaver

[ashen badger]

I said characters, those effigies could have been made during the time they presented themselves as gods, it's probably propaganda

[opal totem]

Could be but there isn't really anything proving that

[sudden plover]

The runt doesn't care about the weavers or citadel

Be like runt

[ashen badger]

If they were so good why do current day bugs in Pharloom talk of them so negatively

[opal totem]

Weavers were absent from pharloom for a long time, kinda hard to find a person with an opinion on them by now

[dim harbor]

well the citadel is not in a great state, expecially for the average bug

[sudden plover]

People probably liked them when they were around

Then they left and over time people began to realize "hey that's kinda fucked up what the hell"

[opal totem]

The only bugs who could have an opinion are citadel higher ups being pissed at them

[ashen badger]

Theres more characters that talk about them outside the citadel

[quiet sentinel]

hallownest was better

the only reason it sharted is because of infection

[ashen badger]

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
yeah true

[dim harbor]

didn t the pinstresses also were around that time?

[opal totem]

I only remember mentions of power, not specifically negativity

[quiet sentinel]

without infection theres have been no genocide

and it would probably have been peak af

[sudden plover]

Doesn't the harp sign under the shell wood weaver corpse state that the weavers job was to like protect people from the dangers of shell wood so they can reach the citadel?

Or am I remembering wrong

[quiet sentinel]

too bad the pale king parked his fat ass on top of a moth

[ashen badger]

Eh okay i'll look up the dialogues then xd

[dim harbor]

tbf there was some pissing off a god too, but it was her fault.
but yeah we judged pale king too harshly he was good, besides the mass children genocide

[sudden plover]

Honestly did he even know?

[quiet sentinel]

which was FOR THE GOOD of the kingdom there were good intentions

actually lets not statt supporting genocide like that 😭

[sudden plover]

Like he likely took one look at the place and said "yeah this is perfect" and neglected to make sure he wasn't stealing land

[dim harbor]

i mean you are right, but tbf i think the void itself wanted to get radiance anyway

[quiet sentinel]

i wonder if void was already there

wait thats stupid

it was

[sudden plover]

But at least he had the decency to be like "oh you'd rather not join my kingdom? Oh well you stay in your corner then." (I think)

[clever furnace]

wanderer and shakra felt harder, done it multiple times

[barren ingot]

when the basin is ancient

[quiet sentinel]

void is probably everywhere

[dim harbor]

i think void in hk is very similiar to redacted.
right this is no rw

[sudden plover]

Unlike evil shitty spider castle

[quiet sentinel]

its like a layer of the mantle in hollow knight world

[quiet sentinel]

exactlyyt

[quiet sentinel]

probably not
but also apparently wyrms have some form of farsight so
maybe pale king is just a ragebaiter LMAO

[dim harbor]

i am a bit curious if it was the same way with such creatures in hollownest, and pale king just somehow tamed it? more less or just did not let that happen, cause theres creatures who are literally symbiotic with void in pharloom

[clever furnace]

sarcasm? if so that sting a lil

[quiet sentinel]

i like to imagine the ancient civilizations was the snails

since the shamans almost always fuck around or have something to do with void

[sudden plover]

I entered the pharloom abyss, saw the hanging things, and thought "they making void ham down here or something? What is that?"

[quiet sentinel]

like the dark spell versions of hk

[sudden plover]

Do we get more ancient civilization in silksong?

[quiet sentinel]

pale king didnt tame void i think

[sudden plover]

Are they there too

[quiet sentinel]

but he did manage to imprint it

with moulds

[opal totem]

Maybe shade lord got bored one day and made snails just like gms made weavers

[void prawn]

Hits the person below me with deepnest

[quiet sentinel]

lmao

[clever furnace]

gave it form as some would say

[quiet sentinel]

say that again

[sudden plover]

Maybe what we saw in HK is different from skong since there's a time gap that's at least decently long.

Maybe the abyss evolved between games

[dim harbor]

true, the snails also seem like they really want to fuck up things, and they seem to be the ones most prominient with soul energy and are also a bit black and goopy

[quiet sentinel]

snails are just fucking around for the love of the game atp

[void prawn]

He's groovy and never gloopy

[clever furnace]

watch the world burn for the sillies

[sudden plover]

We got a "to be continued" in silksong too, right?

[clever furnace]

yea

[sudden plover]

So HK 3 confirmed?

[slim fjord]

maybe the sheer QUANTITY of the discarded vessels blocked most of the abyss from getting in

[void prawn]

HK pablo

[ashen badger]

Mask maker says this about them

Aye. Devised by your ancestors that monstrosity, and their wicked, clever minds. A system, or a web they'd likely call it, a way to keep their mother sealed in slumber, and themselves free to lavish in their false rule.

[clever furnace]

maybe
the "to be continued" is moreso that we'll see mr mushroom continue his adventure ig

[sudden plover]

I mean there's enough to make an entire cave system that's gotta block smth

[dim harbor]

they also seem to be the ones that don t even fear void which is weird, as i am pretty sure every other sentient being did

[ashen badger]

Shakra refers to weavers as vicious

[opal totem]

It sounded as a compliment coming from Shakra tbh

[ashen badger]

Grindle calls them horrid whisperers

[opal totem]

That's just racism

Not everyone's born with a beautiful voice

[ashen badger]

Ok, Weavers were perfect and ultra kind to everyone then

case closed

[opal totem]

I'll take mask maker one but I feel like "false rule" could be referring to the citadel in general

[ashen badger]

Eh i think that was before they left

[opal totem]

Though hornet mentions the desire to dominate is in her blood, other weavers also seem to share it

[ashen badger]

Before conductors became the maximum authority

[ashen badger]

Yeah

Anyway capitalism evil

i ma gona play soul steel

[unreal hedge]

i have seen moorwing spelled in a bajillion different ways and I doubt I spelt it correctly

how come everyone types it differently

[ashen badger]

I think it's moorwing with two o's

[clever furnace]

moor and wing, don't see how it can be mistyped so much

[ashen badger]

I don't re-read my messages when i type them

Lol

My bad

[unreal hedge]

Morrowing

[ashen badger]

More wig

[sudden plover]

Runt jumpscare

[clever furnace]

chat my stress is rising
I really don't know what else to do

I had the thought of duplicating my steel soul save file when close to a boss I can't reliably defeat
would that be cheating? the idea is to practice the boss with my current equipment which can't be done with godhome mod
but at the same time it's accomplishing the same as just quitting and trying again

[little ferry]

I did that with HK and I still felt accomplished so do whatever you want

[sudden plover]

Go for it no one will really care

[little ferry]

Yea

How much lore is there about ants other than they fight things

And well the small guys taking the corpses away

I really want ant lore

[sudden plover]

Are you okay with act 3 spoilers?

[opaque shard]

They cannibals

[sudden plover]

Wait when is this said?

[little ferry]

I got 100%

[opaque shard]

Real life

[little ferry]

I mean most things are in the bug world

[sudden plover]

I assume we're talking about skarrs right?

[little ferry]

Ye

[sudden plover]

Oh so you know about karmelita and her singing?

Iirc she was able to fend off the haunting for a while

[little ferry]

Idk what it implies

Ooh

[sudden plover]

Karmelita is the leader/mother of the skarrs iirc and she is the strongest mortal bug in pharloom

Her singing was able to fight off the haunting for a while until she got old and couldn't sing, and now she's in the condition we see her in now, old and sad

[clever furnace]

far fields still looks lush in the present purely because of her still beating heart apparently

[sudden plover]

Huh

Does far fields start dying after we take her heart?

[little ferry]

If she's still just a "regular" being (just very strong) how is her being alive affect the entire area

[clever furnace]

it's what I'm assuming from gilly dialogue

[little ferry]

I'd think it just affects the skarrs and their behaviour

[sudden plover]

Also apparently skarrs with vitiligo (just calling it that cuz it looks similar) are bad

[clever furnace]

wonder why mottled skarr and mottled skarr scout are friendly

[sudden plover]

Cuz the three skarrs we see with weird skin are all outcasts

[little ferry]

Oh I misremembered, kept thinking that's specifically just Nyleth

[sudden plover]

My assumption was that they are outcasts so they know what it feels like to be an unwanted outsider so they wanna help

[little ferry]

Maybe they want to be more peaceful seeing as other skarrs attack like everything

[clever furnace]

they are also not haunted, certainly odd

[sudden plover]

So it's like empathy

Or sympathy idk what the word is

[little ferry]

Could be

[clever furnace]

is gurr haunted? they don't respond to the needolin so we can't see if they have threads
oh, and also the threads aren't visible in act 3

[sudden plover]

They are also found out of the way, with mottled skarr being in a hidden area, scout hiding underground, and gurr being somewhere hidden

So maybe they are hidden due to the haunting, wanting to avoid it

(Except for gurr he uses traps so he's always hiding)

[little ferry]

Could be they specifically separated from the rest cuz of the haunting and the rest saw that as a betrayal

[clever furnace]

gurr's actions certainly are not from a haunted bug, they purposefully lure you into their lair

[sudden plover]

Scout speaks of how their mark isn't a curse in their needolin dialogue so they were likely disliked for their skin condition

[little ferry]

Oh

[clever furnace]

bug racism 💔

[sudden plover]

Bug racism 💔

[clever furnace]

outcasted because bad skin

[little ferry]

Such is the way of animals

A lot of animals are racist

In one way or another

[sudden plover]

What do you think the little scout guy would say if he had actual dialogue?

Like if he actually talked to hornet instead of trading and vanishing

[clever furnace]

they are so cute when asking you for the curveclaw
pls pls pls don't hurt me pose

[sudden plover]

He prolly fearing for his life

Cuz he likely knows how strong hornet is

[sudden plover]

Just like

"She might fucking kill me when I go out there but she earned this trade"

[distant holly]

i feel like it’s like vessels

as in, the silk makes the related

since weavers are pharlids and silk

like vessels are god and void

[distant holly]

yeah, but pale king didn’t treat citizens like that

[ashen badger]

Ehhh but vessels are born from eggs

Laid by those two

I imagine

[distant holly]

tbh i’m kinda confused at what was done by gms, and what by weavers

[ashen badger]

then given void

[distant holly]

then

[ashen badger]

Them

🙄

[distant holly]

i think it’s a possible interpretation that pharlids were a "base" for silk, to improve the abilities silk creature could have (lace is quite fragile). so gms considered them children, because they kinda partially are. but first sinner disagreed about this .

like, silk given form from pharlids

[ashen badger]

Actually what the hell

i said it correctly

ughh

[distant holly]

no 💔, tools really break the flow of battle

[void prawn]

I love the crust king

I went all the way to coral tower to play a song for the broken statue then leave

[distant holly]

do you think crust king is so easy because it was originally act 1 boss

[void prawn]

No

I think he's easy because they had to scale his difficulty because of the arenas before him

[distant holly]

could have just put the checkpoint before the fight smh

[void prawn]

There's one before the last arena but it's missable

[distant holly]

also tbh, clover dancers should have had three phases

they feel easier than cogwork dancers just because the fight is shorter

[clever furnace]

mb for assuming bad intent 3:
and I agree on that, tools just interrupt the flow of getting strikes, dodging and using silk because tools have their own mechanics

speaking of, I'm curious about the general consensus of red tools. Do other players ever run out of shards in not-bosses? Do they think they're too powerful? Not powerful enough?

[glad stratus]

I dont

Because I use arch

the craft

[icy basin]

gl

the final phase is the hardest

[sudden plover]

Yeah they get mad

[wooden sun]

I'm still recovering

[split sluice]

Recover via bilewater!

It works! Trust!

[wooden sun]

All that would do is replace my sadness with burning rage.

[void prawn]

Rune rage makes me feel like pure vessel

Rune rage and also hunters crest make ME feel like the boss against enemys

[clever dirge]

What about pure nails

[void prawn]

Eh

[dense wasp]

i think red tools are the strongest thing in the game but also theyre not implemented the best

i think they should have some sort of limit on their output while in combat that isnt shell shards (which wouldnt really need to exist then)

something like a cd on their use

[clever furnace]

How does hunters crest give that feeling? -Juno

[void prawn]

Focus and the fact that it can get smoother gameplay then other crests

[clever furnace]

Ahhh, thats fair

[clever furnace]

What are the most bossfight tools? -Juno

[void prawn]

Well cogflys volt vessels and uh

The spike ball traps?

Reaper crest I guess feels a bit Boss-y since it has the grimm moveset

[clever furnace]

Yeah

I think reaper is very grimm -Juno

What would be some bosslike non red tools? -juno

[void prawn]

Hmmmm clawmirrors def

Uh

I guess the one you get from pintress?

Blue tools mostly don't affect combat that much its mostly passives

And yellow tools are small little quality of life stuff

[clever furnace]

Thats true -Juno

[broken plover]

Massive hk soilers!!!! ||In the dream no more ending, since every shade returns to the abyss, do you think the shades still currently within a vessel just popped out of their vessel and promptly went down to the void? Or did they all just continue living on||

[clever furnace]

they can, indeed, just pop off their shell
the knight does it on both dream no more and embrace the void

[void prawn]

Well? Keep typing

[wooden sun]

||Imagine there's a vessel so far away from Hallownest it falls out of the shade lord's range so it just at random pop out of their shell when they finally get back in range.||

Leaving whatever bugs they were worth very confused

[void prawn]

You think in the embrace the void ending rather then killing every bug what if the shade Lord made most bugs lost

[broken plover]

"Oh shits the voids calling, it was nice cosplaying as a vessel bye"

[clever furnace]

what if void given focus was friendly and made peace with other bugs and they have a nice tea party together

oh, and godseeker lives
I love good endings ‼️

[void prawn]

God seeker likely had their head or eyes ||explode||

When shadelord left

Mmmmmmm E10+ games with ||not so E10+ content||

[wooden sun]

I mean, there is a ||cannibalism|| reference in the city of tears

[void prawn]

Wait where?

||also the disgraced chefs were all banished for cannibalism||

[wooden sun]

Forgot exactly where, but it was the kitchen filled with flies im pretty sure.

[void prawn]

Do you have like a map or sum (or like which side of the city is it)

[wooden sun]

Let me check the fan-made world map, since that would be easier than reinstalling hk

Can't find it there, which probably means it's in the elevator shaft to the hot spring in city of tears

Which lines up with what I remember

[icy basin]

honestly skill issue smh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kR6bbJtmsc

o ok

still waiting for ||god mother silk|| mod that make her actually hard

[torpid hull]

that looks hard

[wooden sun]

Ah, (HK Post-game)||pure vessel||, but it's just that one single attack.

[split sluice]

Actual peak

Finally he gets to be difficult

[dim harbor]

I wanted act 3 to be harder

He was the easiest

[wooden sun]

He has the hardest, most drawn out pre-fight arenas of any Act 3 boss, and then he's just a pushover when you finally reach him.

[sudden plover]

Fighting lost lace is like taking candy from a baby

Except the baby is extremely angry, and is on a shit ton of steroids

Also it wants you dead

[wooden sun]

Are you referring to Lace or Hornet? \j

[dim harbor]

I first tried him, and i was promised hard bosses in act3

[sudden plover]

Final boss lace

[icy basin]

what silksong should've been
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoKqGahW8LQ

[wooden sun]

Hornet still basically falls into the "on a shit ton of steroids" category (/j)

[sudden plover]

And maybe other drugs

[wooden sun]

She has been taking a lot of nectar from the Halfway home.

[sudden plover]

Also plasmium

[wooden sun]

And flea brew

[sudden plover]

I am overdosing on plasmium for my fight and letting tools do the talking

[wooden sun]

Hornet's not making it out of Pharloom without some extensive substance issues

[torpid hull]

||nyleth|| was easier tbh

[dim harbor]

For me khan was, but nyleth also was a pushover just pogo

[torpid hull]

yeah

[sudden plover]

I struggled on nyleth

For like

5 minutes

That's it

[dim harbor]

I only struggled against bell eater

Too much armor he had

Didn t take me long tho

[torpid hull]

bell eaters 2nd phase screwed me a lot

[dim harbor]

I just couldn t properly hit him

Till i used bola

[sudden plover]

Oh shit

I ran out of shards

Back to shaman

[torpid hull]

if you are in act 3 you can fight the court of the craws to get an item that passively regenerates rosaries and beast shards

[dense wasp]

for some reason ive been divinely blessed to always hit my bolas

[quiet sentinel]

[dense wasp]

obligatory voltvessel skip clip

[sudden plover]

I be in the abyss

[clever furnace]

[torpid hull]

i 100%ed silksong but im too lazy to go to ||the void|| to fight ||lost lace|| and get the achievement

[sudden plover]

What the fuck

[sudden plover]

That's...

That's not 100%

[dense wasp]

what skills are you using on shaman if youre struggling

[torpid hull]

wait that’s really good

[sudden plover]

Rune rage

Parry

Nails

Mostly the nails tho

[dim harbor]

They are good but i prefer the stick quite ineffective against bell eater somehow

[torpid hull]

I’ve already killed them but i have to go back for the achievement

[dense wasp]

swap off rune rage onto thread storm probably

[sudden plover]

Isn't that like

Not as good now?

[dense wasp]

it requires 4 rune rage hits to match extended threadstorm and 3 to match the normal one

[sudden plover]

Plus it makes me get close a risk losing health, which I don't want to do that since my silk is for spells not heals

[dense wasp]

thread storm still does the most damage per cast followed by sharpdart

[dense wasp]

you have pale nails and parry still you can only use it during safe windows

[dim harbor]

I would also imagine rune rage to be meh against ll due to small hitbox and fast movemant

[dense wasp]

i would also imagine rune rage to be meh

[torpid hull]

i once wanted to do an unarmed crest playthrough but it won’t let me use silk spear and I don’t wanna grind for wormways

so yeah that was a failure

[sudden plover]

It does a decent job of spawning on her and quickly doing damahe

Shaman + 3 hearts + weave light = infinite spells

[dim harbor]

Maybe i never used it much, but looked for me too random to use precisly

[dense wasp]

its only equal to other silk skills unless you get 4 or more which doesnt happen often

and also has such a long cast

[dim harbor]

I liked the dash and parry as they also can serve as utility to dodge

[sudden plover]

I've never seen those issues honestly

The cast seemed the same and it actually targets enemies

[dense wasp]

sharpdart is probably the new best silk skill with the damage buff

[dim harbor]

I did not know it was buffed

[dense wasp]

its like

sharpdart = cross stitch > thread storm > pale nails = silkspear >>> rune rage

[sudden plover]

Everyone hates my goat rune rage

[dim harbor]

I only dislike in cross stitch that some nimble enemys could escape it, also damage did not feel that high, but i did go to it from unnerfed thread storm

[dense wasp]

the damage is the same as silkspear and pale nails

the damage brackets are like

[dim harbor]

Oh

[dense wasp]

~3.5x: sharpdart, thread storm extension
~3.33x: thread storm
~3x: silkspear, pale nails, cross stitch

[dim harbor]

I had no idea sharpdart dealt that nuch

[dense wasp]

it only did 2.75x before the patch

cross stitch was 2.4x

[dim harbor]

Oh

[sudden plover]

The everbloom is the delicate flower, right?

[dim harbor]

Pretty sure yeah

[void prawn]

Nyleth is easier then khann imo

She's only hard because of my GLORIOUS GOAT SETH

[dim harbor]

Seth is only hard in flea festival

[distant holly]

that’s because hunter crest is just hornet’s attacks from hollow knight

[clever furnace]

Thread stom extension? -Juno

[distant holly]

technically, godseeker mode is post embrace the void somehow, as far as i know . so i guess the godhome still exists

[clever furnace]

huh

[void prawn]

Where did you find this out???

[sudden plover]

If you press it twice, it casts for more time

[wooden sun]

Zornet The Mighty

[mental shuttle]

Kaizo silksong is real 😭

[clever furnace]

what

[clever furnace]

Wait what really????
Thats cool! -Juno

[glad stratus]

At least you're not sad anymore

Ngl I think the best crest for me might have to he shaman crest

[glad stratus]

(flashbang warning) the entirety of pharloom gets fucking atomized

[torpid hull]

what the heckles

[rich vale]

Im stuck, I got told to explore ||underworks|| but I can’t find anything new? (||I want the thing that allows you to pogo rings||)

[opal totem]

Explore whiteward

Or vaults

[rich vale]

I haven’t got there yet

I got told to go to underworks

And explore but everything is locked

I can’t go anywhere

[opal totem]

You've been slightly misinformed

You will end up in udnerworks but that's not where you should start looking

[rich vale]

WHY,
this is the 5th time, I s swear to god that they are rage baiting me

[rich vale]

Should I start in citadel?

[opal totem]

Yeah

[rich vale]

Ok, bottom right?

Or should I just explore

Wait I have been to first shrine

Hm what’s terminus

Ohhhh never,mind

White key?

Ig I’ll find out

How do I do the spinny thing

[little ferry]

The what thing

[little ferry]

Tbf I don't remember how I got to most places in the game
This still sucks tho

[rich vale]

Heythere is the guy that my friend nicknamed “grims gay cousin”

[rich vale]

Ah

[little ferry]

Half of the game progression is behind hidden passages

[rich vale]

Ye

[opaque shard]

Wtf you mean grimms gay cousin
Grimm is already gay

[rich vale]

I have two friends who help me play, one try’s to guide me the other says im not enjoying the game and I should just go and explore (he can play like 10 hours a day where as I can’t)

I get really pissed off at the latter friend

I like the way I play

Also I just don’t have time to do everything like that

[rich vale]

Well idk I didn’t name them that

Myyyyy goob bellbeast

I can’t find anything):

[opaque shard]

💔

[rich vale]

i got into white ward

yipeppepep

[sudden plover]

Yeah he's Grimms gay lover

[split sluice]

Silksong plushie predictions because why not:

1. Bell Beast
2. Sherma
3. Lace
4. flea
5. Huge flea (1 meter tall)

[opal totem]

No flea

Criminal

[broken plover]

With one simple move, you set off the hydrogen bomb that had gone dormant above Fourth choruses arena

[glad stratus]

"Adi-⚪"

[split sluice]

How could I forget

Ok fixed

[clever furnace]

Fourth chorus if there was four of them and they all had an atomic bomb

Wait no there’s. 40 of them nvm

Slight miscalculation

[glad stratus]

Theres 10

[sudden plover]

40th chorus

[glad stratus]

500 choruses

Actually...

[sudden plover]

I found peak

[glad stratus]

Lmao

I wonder what 500 choruses looks like...

[clever furnace]

LOOK GUYS! iTS THE FOURTH CHORUS -Mary

[clever furnace]

y'all think its possible to eradicate the muckmaggot infestation in east pharloom, if so how

[barren ingot]

well they need some sort of food source
which is coming from the organ since it caused the bad stuff
so turn off the organ and let it solve itself

[clever furnace]

The muckmaggots consume the silk from the organ? -Mary

[barren ingot]

I think the Exhaust Organ is blamed for pollution generally

so it's gotta be feeding em something

[clever furnace]

I bet its probably silk -Mary

Since they eat up hornets silk

Also, is the rain in greymoor just silk, or is it water with silk in it? -Mary

hm, am missing a locket at this stage of the game

[hardy jolt]

awwooooooo

[clever furnace]

Hi error! -Mary

[hardy jolt]

hai mari hru?

oops

mary* sorry 😭

[opaque shard]

Too late

[clever furnace]

Haha, your good -Mary

[clever furnace]

Opinions on this guys? -Mary

[opaque shard]

Ur execution is in 5 days

[hardy jolt]

[hardy jolt]

umm idk where the water would be coming from so silk ig

[clever furnace]

I know which one, haven't been there yet

[split sluice]

Yes, a fuck ton of volt vessels being thrown

BTW I did a thing

[hardy jolt]

ender

ooo congrats :monksii

im gonna do indulgent now

[split sluice]

Didn't go for 100% yet just because I wanted to secure the win

[split sluice]

you're gonna indulge....
so am I

[hardy jolt]

[split sluice]

Anyways fun fact: I might prefer I-2 over P-2

[hardy jolt]

wtf.,,,

sisyphus prime betrayal

[clever furnace]

Is this even possible -Mary

[split sluice]

Consider the following: Both are very close, I just heavily prefer the atmosphere

Really my opinion could go either way depending on how I’m feeling

[torpid hull]

does anyone have tips for ||lost sinner||

[barren ingot]

modded fight, yeah?

I dont know much about it in particular, but one thing to use for any super tough modded boss that can be borderline unfair is to find your source of i-frames and abuse the hell out if it

for hollow knight, that was ddark

in silksong id personally think that the dash would be best

[torpid hull]

it is

[dense wasp]

cross stitch is your best iframe source in silksong because sharpdart has a lot of startup

[clever furnace]

Is sharpdart even useful -Mary

[dense wasp]

yea

it does the most damage of all the skills besides thread storm while still giving good iframes

silk skill ranking is probably like

cross stitch = sharpdart > thread storm = pale nails > silkspear >> rune rage

[clever furnace]

I suppose i should try using it more then... -Mary

[dense wasp]

i use it on reaper witch shaman

makes reaper feel a lot better when combined with egg

[clever furnace]

my favorite kind of openable shortcuts
are the ones in citadel that have a lever that when hit makes the passage self-destruct

[barren ingot]

the positioning in cross stitch scares me, I feel like it could just drop you off in a dangerous spot if you arent planning ahead

(when it comes to using it to dodge)

[dense wasp]

ive never had that happen before

it gives you a very generous amount of actionable iframes after too

[void prawn]

Skong needs a Stalwart shell

[dense wasp]

you can also cross stitch during the end of those frames to get even more

[void prawn]

Pre moorwig patch I'm pretty sure I lost 4hp from getting stuck in the hitbox

[clever furnace]

wonder why skynx wants the morsels
and why are they so full of rosaries

they plead for someone to "save them" when you refuse to hand over the silkeater which is... concerning to say the least

[ashen badger]

Purrrrr meow
yes so where can i get that mask that covers your last hit again?

i forgot

i kinda wanna say the skaar in hunters march gives it to you

[void prawn]

You mean the queens egg?

Oh yeah speaking of that quest there's no enemy's in sinners road considered "small enemy's" right

[clever furnace]

skynx the steel soul npc, not styx

[ashen badger]

okay thanks

[void prawn]

Ooooo

[clever furnace]

Yup, its from the skaar -Mary

[clever furnace]

fractured is on hunter's march, need swift step to get to em

[ashen badger]

Great, thanks

[clever furnace]

it's at 260 rosaries or you find it on the ground next to em if they were killed

[clever furnace]

wym
there's the mites ig

[void prawn]

Oo okie

Should I go for that quest rq

[clever furnace]

you mean enemies that respawn on room exit? yea I think only those do

[ashen badger]

Internet pissing me off today

[clever furnace]

muckroaches, roachcatchers, roachfeeders and roachkeepers all stay dead until benching

[ashen badger]

Thinking about going through Hunter's march in steel soul, i need the cloak upgrade tho now that i think about it

[clever furnace]

drifter's only needed for beast crest

roasry treasury conventionally requires cling grip, but you can get to it by pogoing the skarrwings

[ashen badger]

Should i go through it

and then do Lace and get the cloak

[void prawn]

Is drifters cloak optional?

[clever furnace]

I recommend getting swift step first, but yea go ahead
there's a bunch of rosaries which is a massive help at the early stage

[ashen badger]

Steel soul tho

[clever furnace]

mostly, but you eventually require it to get clawline

[ashen badger]

I can first try most bosses but i don't trust myself with bullshitty enemies

Ugh fuck it

If i die that's one more

[void prawn]

I thought it was a mandatory wish so I didn't leave until I got it

[clever furnace]

Steel soul silksong, but for every attempt you must steal soul hk first -Mary

[ashen badger]

Aaaand i died

[void prawn]

Can you duplicate save files on switch

[ashen badger]

That's a thing?

[void prawn]

Yeah I heard some steel soulers do it before hard bosses

[clever furnace]

don't think you can in-game

[ashen badger]

Can i exit the game when i'm on one health

And i appear on a bench

[void prawn]

That would likely work yes

[clever furnace]

Yes -Mary

of course
I won't judge you I promise

[void prawn]

last judges you

[unreal hedge]

though it does pretty much kill the premise of steel soul

[clever furnace]

I'm personally avoiding it on this run myself

[ashen badger]

Good to know i'll keep it in mind

[ashen badger]

You can judge me, i'm aware of my limitations as a gamer

[clever furnace]

Still doubtful about duping my save to practice bosses, as it's basically the same thing as quitting
The non-cheat option would be running a normal save up until the boss but... that's quite the waste of my time

[ashen badger]

[clever furnace]

actually I'm wrong, it's not the same as quitting as my intent is different
one is avoiding a defeat
the other is a practice session

[ashen badger]

Don't see the problem in doing so

probably won't do it cause i would feel lesser than you people, but maybe i do who knows

[unreal hedge]

which makes it just a clunkier version of a normal playthrough

[ashen badger]

What if i do it to avoid a stupid death

[clever furnace]

you are no lesser than me because I did get steel heart using quits

though I'm trying to rectify that

[ashen badger]

Oh but i would feel like i am

[clever furnace]

it's a singleplayer game so do what you want
I can retry steel soul because I have time but I can see working people not being so fond of getting hours of progress taken from their hands

[ashen badger]

True

I love how i opened up the idea of using a cheat just to force myself to follow the intended path anyway xddd

[sudden plover]

I remember hearing that it's the gunk from the citadel

Like

Sewage or smth

[naive flame]

Chat i cant stop listening to the silksong soundtrack its so peak, what is yalls favourite skong song

[opaque shard]

Widow or karmelita

[naive flame]

wawa widow is my favourite

[ashen badger]

Okay i'm gona go get the cloak

THEN i'll go to HM

[clever furnace]

Fourth chorus, i can play it on piano -Mary

[naive flame]

Woaw so cool

[clever furnace]

i like
high halls

[clever furnace]

Its very fun -Mary

[naive flame]

High halls is so calm i really like it too :3

I also really like the atmosphere Bilewater has too (even tho the area itself sucks)

[ashen badger]

Well ok that last arena with Shakra, didn't remenber that

[clever furnace]

I lost the courier's rasher
to a mite

[clever furnace]

chat imma do savage beastfly 2

it has been causing me troubles so this'll be the first time I'll dupe my save to practice

hmmmm
imma guess I just copy and rename the user2 files into user3, and delete the current user3 files

nice

aw file's unreadable, it'd be convenient to turn the file into a normal mode file

first practice attempt, lost the fractured but defeated it

second attempt, double contact damage against a tarmite, fun

third attempt, ran into s.beastfly's hitbox but that was the only hit
also found out that tarmites die in just 2 hits with my current equipment, or a single silkspear

damn
saved the kill lol

ok cool, I just need to dupe the userX.dat file

fourth, ran into it

I am this clsoe to radiant-ing it

[distant holly]

tbh wouldn’t consider it unfair for platforming sections without silk

[clever furnace]

fifth, tarmite spit hit

and saved the kill again

ok I'm not radiant-ing the boss yet, but am certainly not being defeated by it which is a massive relief

sixth, touched it when it was positioning for an overhead

seventh, got killed actually

[distant holly]

would it be sad if somebody accidentally beat normal mode without deaths when trying to practice for steel soul

[clever furnace]

mental is a huge factor
right now I am doing not-so-ok while practicing, but know knows in what crazy way I may throw the real attempt

[distant holly]

the actual scary bosses aren’t the difficult ones, but ones that summon billion projectiles or minions

[clever furnace]

when doubts and stress clog your mind, the only thing you can rely on is the skills you've absorbed, and the only way to develop them is practice

[distant holly]

no mind to think strategy

[distant holly]

i remember you’re tormented trobbio

those explosive things are so annoying

[naive flame]

New way to call someone a drama queen

(I love them so much)

[distant holly]

trobbio 2 is cool but sometimes it’s kinda impossible to dodge

well, without cross stitch or something

[clever furnace]

not like the projectile explosion telegraph is all that lenient

[split sluice]

Removes all traces of trobbio from silksong, and replaces it all with more bilewater.
Now it’s a 10/10 game

[naive flame]

yea the bullet hell can be kinda annoying

[clever furnace]

radiant'd it!

[distant holly]

radiant groal, including runback (falling in water counts as death)

[split sluice]

Learn to clawline !

[naive flame]

what sick pits of hell do you come from