Silksong Discussion (soiler warning)

[clever furnace]

UHHH

LAST JUDGE BEST BOSS

GOODNIGHT

[sudden plover]

I want a mod that brings back the old plan for the maps

Cuz iirc originally the maps weren't gonna have a compass but you would actually be able to look at the map (which was very detailed) and tell what room is which and use that

[clever furnace]

I want a mod that makes Lost Judge -Azazel

[sudden plover]

I want a mod that makes Vespa alive and you can talk to her

What would she say tho

[opaque shard]

you come far little spider

[split sluice]

Chat if you could combine two crests (one giving it’s bind and tool layout, the other giving it’s needle and needle strike) what would you choose?

I would combine the needle of wanderer and the layout of architect

[void prawn]

Needle of the witch and layout of the hunter

[clever furnace]

Needle of hunter, layout of shaman -Azazel

[opal totem]

Hunter and hunter

[clever furnace]

Hunter is peam... -Azazel

NOT AS PEAM AS LAST JUDGE -Azazel

[opaque shard]

Not as peam as Karmelita

[hardy jolt]

reaper bind wanderer moveset

[little ferry]

I would like Hunter needle and Shaman layout

[clever furnace]

NO!
FUCK YOU!!!!! -Azazel

[clever furnace]

I will keep saying last judge is the best boss

AND I WILL DIE ON THIS FUCKING HILL

RAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[opaque shard]

die then

[clever furnace]

I cant die

Im too good -Azazel

[opaque shard]

💔

[sudden plover]

flattens your hill

No more hill

It got unhilled

[opaque shard]

Isnt a unhill just a plain

[clever furnace]

I am defeated

dies

[void prawn]

Ha

Phantoms a better route to the underworks

[opaque shard]

Ok but

Last judge entrance is epic

[clever furnace]

STFU!!!!!!!!!!! -Azazel

[void prawn]

No

[clever furnace]

PHANTOM IS A LITTLE LOSER THAT ONLY DEALS 1 MASK DAMAGE FOR MOST ATTACKS -Azazel

[opal totem]

True

Phantom buff when

[void prawn]

But they're better to fight

[clever furnace]

LAST JUDGE IS THEE GUARDIAN OF THE CITADEL

[clever furnace]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RARARARARARRARHARHARHRAHRAHRH -Azazel

FIOADFJOSIDFJDJFIO

Last Judge is a way better fight

[opal totem]

True

[void prawn]

Last judge p2 deals one damage with magma bell

[opal totem]

Phantom has like two attacks

[clever furnace]

Oh really?
IDC
STFU -Azazel

[void prawn]

And the mist is better then blasted steps

And the music is better

And you get a silkskill

And the two pilgrims survive if you don't fight the last judge

[clever furnace]

WHO CARES ABOUT THOSE STUPID ASS PILGRIMS!?!?!

[void prawn]

And phantom has better lore

[clever furnace]

What is her lore again? -Azazel

[dense wasp]

what about passives like hunter focus and wanderer crits

[void prawn]

They're the I'm pretty sure genderless sibling to lace and the oldest thread born who made the mist using their own silk and runs the exhaust organ

[clever furnace]

🥱

[void prawn]

Last judge is kinda just

There

And Phantoms key in the story since I'm pretty sure that's why lace decided to rebel at the start of act 3

[icy basin]

phantom is peak

last judge is indended

[clever furnace]

Yeah,
But she has such an impact on the player when she shows up

[icy basin]

and wisp thicket is aura

(you gotta clawline-less mount fay for that shi)

[void prawn]

Last judges lore is just "I kill those who aren't holy enough to enter the citadel"

[clever furnace]

She is a large intimidating figure that ambushes you preventing you to get into the citadel

[clever furnace]

THATS COOL AS FUCK THO!

[void prawn]

Not better then phantoms

[clever furnace]

I need more lore on the Judges jsodfajoisdifj

[void prawn]

They have aura in their entrance

[icy basin]

the last judge judges pilgrims

hope that helps

[clever furnace]

[vocal canyon]

Last judge is basically that gif of LeBron that's like "yes this guy kill him with hammers"

[clever furnace]

But lore aside

Last judge looks cooler

Has a better fight

And is more impactful on the player on first playthrough

Sure, she doesnt have as good as a song as phantom

BUT ITS STILL FIRE!

[icy basin]

quite literally

[void prawn]

Phantom has more impact

[icy basin]

well does the last judge sounds like a crazy bird

[void prawn]

Gaining crosstich feels better then falling down an elevator

[icy basin]

nah last judge sounds russian

[clever furnace]

I MEAN DURING THE FIGHT

ALL PHANTOM DOES IS PLAY HER SILLY ORGAN

[void prawn]

Gaining crosstich feels better than the boss just blowing up

[clever furnace]

LAST JUDGE DROPS IN AND FLINGS HER INCENSE THINGY WHATSIT AND KILLS SOME GUYS

[icy basin]

and judge is russian(i think idk im stereotyping from her accent)

[clever furnace]

AND YOU KILL HER
AND GO THROUGH A BIG ASS GATE

AND ENTER THE CITADEL

[void prawn]

But Phantoms still more rewarding

It unlocks an entire path in sinners road

[clever furnace]

[icy basin]

cross stitch is, in fact, d-dark but silksong

[dense wasp]

bit less heated please

[void prawn]

And a way into bilewater

[clever furnace]

Okay, im just gonna stop -Azazel

Byeeeeeee -Azazel

[icy basin]

ok i see

[void prawn]

Cyaaa

[dense wasp]

waiter! waiter! another ddark for the road please

[icy basin]

judge is better than

[void prawn]

Groal

[icy basin]

cuz underwork is better than bilewo'ah

[void prawn]

It still leads to underworks

[icy basin]

idk why i said bilewater in a british accent

[clever furnace]

Okay, if i may add one more thing

[barren ingot]

gwyncore

[clever furnace]

Im not gonna get heated again i promise

[dense wasp]

thats why i started using it lmao

[clever furnace]

but, going in the elevator thinking you are going to get to finally see the citadel

[barren ingot]

it's present in a few modmail aliases still

alongside the Hiya intro

[clever furnace]

And then the elevator crashing on the floor in underworks

Is a great subvertation of expectations

[void prawn]

That's fair lol

I just personally love phantom

[clever furnace]

That follows the other great subvertation of expectations of seeing the grand gate being filled to the brim with corpses

[dim harbor]

for me phantom is more useful, but for the first time judge is diffrent, seeing how they treat pilgrims and the big ah gate,
phantom was just, yeah cool boss fight time to leave for me

[clever furnace]

It was a really cool experience -Azazel

And then being stuck in underworks!!!!

RAAAAHHHH!
ITS AWESOME!!!!!!

[void prawn]

Phantom was def harder to find then last judge so maybe that's what made it feel better to fight for me idk

[dense wasp]

i think phantom is easier tbh

with the exception of the slam

[void prawn]

Yeah but the mist being behind a breakable wall whilst the game guides you into blasted steps

[clever furnace]

Beat phantom second try
Last judge in like 30

[dense wasp]

last judge has a harder moveset overall but phantom has the harder move between the two

[barren ingot]

tbf it's a pretty known trope at this point

but works well enough

in every playthrough I saw, someone would see it get slightly stuck and have the "uh oh" moment where they realize exactly what's gonna happen

[barren ingot]

I need to try out act 1 phantom, I really have no basis for comparison

[dense wasp]

im doing phantom first every time because cross stitch is really good and fun

[void prawn]

Now phantom lovers such as myself and last judge lovers can we ALL agree on

Bell beast>bell eater

[dense wasp]

no

bell eater is a more fun fight

[dim harbor]

for me phantoms moveset seemed easier to learn, but last judge also has a very easy one, besides the spinning one, it has such a short windup

[void prawn]

Not the fight

Just the creature itself

[barren ingot]

I enjoyed the bell eater fight

[clever furnace]

I disagree -Azazel

[barren ingot]

'cause like, the game definitely wants you to think it murdered bell beast

so that ending where it comes back is very satisfying

[dim harbor]

i disliked bell eater fight, but he was still easier for me then bell beast, idk why that boss fight kicked my ass the first time.
i disliked not being able to properly hurt it, i understand why, or during some attacks, but it having a very small point which shoots out a ton of projectiles just meh

[dense wasp]

bell eater gets obliterated by my beloved voltvessels

[void prawn]

Bell eater felt like brooding mawlek 2

A way to somehow bring back projectile spam

[dim harbor]

for me it seemed suprisingly ineffective
so i used the bolla version

[sudden plover]

I THOUGHT TROBBIO BEING DEPRESSED WAS A JOKE

LMFAO

[opaque shard]

hes emo ✨

[clever furnace]

I bet you still think Pablo is a joke too -Azazel

[west junco]

Damn i will need to recolor some sprites first

Specially the drug syringe

[opaque shard]

i reccomend paint tool sai or ibis paint

These are the ones I used for making hk sprites

[west junco]

ok

[weary stag]

SHOE

[west junco]

is ibis paint free for pc?

HUH

[weary stag]

The shoe of hornet

[west junco]

I SHAW THAT

[opaque shard]

Moff with lamb (never finished this hk skin </3)

[weary stag]

evil

[west junco]

But is ibis paint free for pc?

[opaque shard]

Idk

[west junco]

where do i get paint tool sai tho?

[opaque shard]

Google it

Thats how i got it lol

[west junco]

what is the safest link?
or at least the one you used to get it

[opaque shard]

No idea its been like 6 years

[west junco]

damn

[opaque shard]

I think i was looking to make sprites for hk and saw a video on it?

[west junco]

Ok, i will make a simple tool re-color to look like steel

Steel water

then maybe a full skin for hornet

[opaque shard]

Idk she has like 5 hundred atleases

Will probably take like a year

[west junco]

Hey

So, i cant edit it

I cant even use the pencil

god im so lost

I am going to look at a tutorial

i think it will help on my skin making journey

~~ if i cant use it i am using paint ~~

[unreal hedge]

random mothpost: Loepa oberthuri
which was intended to be a reply to a now-deleted message oops 💥

[west junco]

cool

[opaque shard]

wao pretty moth!

[west junco]

looks like its hand-painted

[opaque shard]

Looks like a giant silk moth

[west junco]

silk you say

[west junco]

So far the tones are kinda off but look more like steel, this is supposed to be like steel but water cuz uhhhh

i mean i have no steel mode content else for the exclusive boss and item

so i want a reskin

i know that liquid steel would be more pink or red

but who cares

i got the color inspiration by the steel mode menu selection

[naive flame]

Has anyone here gotten the achivement Speed Completion yet? (100% and beat the game within 30 hours)

[opaque shard]

Ye

[opaque shard]

I actually accidentally got it in my second run

[naive flame]

accidently??

[clever furnace]

the time is extremely lenient

[naive flame]

i want to do it but i was wondering about the route i should take, i was gonna ask for some advice but maybe i dont need it??

Idk if the time isnt that bad anyway

[clever furnace]

also strawberry jam pfp spotted hi

[naive flame]

hii, i play celeste basically daily :3

[west junco]

It is Kinnnnd of getting where i want it to go but steel looks off, the pallet isnt helping and the coloring looks like it was made by a 4 year old

tbh it is kinda shit but i JUST started

[naive flame]

I still have one question about the run tho, what is the exact requierments to start act 3?

[clever furnace]

https://hollowknight.wiki/w/Silk_and_Soul

[naive flame]

alr ty :3

[void prawn]

What tools give skewered organs

[split sluice]

Longpin is one

[void prawn]

Alrighty

Hoping I don't miss and it takes 2 longpins per creature and they all give one organ I have just enough

[west junco]

INCREDIBLE NEWSSS

Loook

it looks less off and the color is more natural

this isnt the final look i still tweaked a bit of the lightings and border

so now it looks more natural

im getting skilled at this

at the end of the month i will prob have this tool set recolor finished!!!

And i may publish a test if i finish at least how the masks look so you guys can test it

[wise monolith]

still cant believe hornet fell so hard she forgot how to run

[void prawn]

What are should I farm

Area

Also isnt there a third moss mother fight in act 3

[little ferry]

Kinda

[void prawn]

Is one of the things empty a design change once it gets half empty

[little ferry]

I don't remember if she drops anything

[west junco]

What

[clever furnace]

She doesnt -Azazel

And the fight is barely different -Azazel

[void prawn]

Uh

[west junco]

It isnt empty

[void prawn]

Forget what I said

[clever furnace]

Mostly just a waste of time -Azazel

[little ferry]

Yes it's like a random enemy

[west junco]

it is using the Steel Soul crest HUD pallet this is why it is like that

[void prawn]

It looks kinda black compared to the other section of the phial

[west junco]

I made it in half to just save it

i will finish it

[void prawn]

Ooo ok

Apolochees

[wide ledge]

i kinda shat myself when i saw the void tendriled save file

[void prawn]

Real

[west junco]

Sadly, i only made a SINGLE sprite for now

so it is barely visible ingame

[void prawn]

Only 84 for frames to use in a second

[wide ledge]

th emusic stopping and the ambience

is eeevil

fucked up

[void prawn]

Wonder if that implies that the void is kinda aware of the save files

Or maybe it's a funny thing

[west junco]

There are 6 other sprites actually

[void prawn]

That's why skong took so long

[west junco]

AND i can just copy the same colors i used in the one i am making

[void prawn]

The void kept rebelling

[west junco]

Some of the sprites i still need to updateee

Maybe i can turn off a bit of the potency of the brush so i can replicate the blurry effect

[void prawn]

You can plashium mid backflip

[west junco]

No

yeah

idk let me test

yeah u can

(trust)

Sneaky sprite tought i wouldnt find it

this one will be easier to do

another one

I will start with simple tools with less sprites

[void prawn]

Straight pin

Why not

[west junco]

SAME color btw

[west junco]

Cause it has lots of sprites

[void prawn]

Pooh

You know what?

COG FLYS

[west junco]

Too complex for now since i am still learning

[void prawn]

VOLT VESSELS

uh

[west junco]

Maybe

[void prawn]

WHATEVER THE TOOL WITH THE MOST SPRITES ARE

[west junco]

Rosary cannons, volt vessels and string trap

mostly because of the big amount of shards it releases

and shawblades

lots of sprites

[clever furnace]

Shawblades -Azazel

[west junco]

Shawblades go Shhhhhaaawwwwwww, Pale king's saw blades go bzzzzzzz

Image so i can remember how the lights were before i turn this all into gray

Before you ask, the colors will look awful if i do color by color

Gray in blue, dark gray in dark blue and light gray in light blue

i will mess everything up

[clever furnace]

Say what you will about mother silk -Azazel

Her soundtrack is amazing

[west junco]

Wdym?

[west junco]

Could you elaborate? Sorry im a slow personoftenly dont get the message of the phrase

[clever furnace]

Grand mother silk

Sure her fight is too easy

But she has a really good theme -Azazel

[west junco]

Yeah, also, did you know it has a motif that plays multiple times in the game?

Just like the "freedom motif" in deltarune

[clever furnace]

Yeah

I like repeated motifs

[west junco]

fr it is a cool easter egg in music

[clever furnace]

Oh

good

I thought you were saying it as a critisizm

[west junco]

Here, i finished the outline and the inside of the second part!

Now, the dark part

and the shiny parts

Im so happy (just noticed the top of the first part is kinda messed up im fixing this right now)

[sudden plover]

Birds be pissed and want me dead

[clever furnace]

lost barbed steel soul
to trobbio
ig I forgot about his patterns

[west junco]

Okay i fixed it

It should looks less off

lOOK

I fixed the shape of the light a bit

[void prawn]

Her boss was goated

[clever furnace]

AGREED!!! -Azazel

LOST GMS WHEN!?!?!?! -Azazel

[void prawn]

It was easier then l2 but that felt better (atleast for me L2 was hard when I fought her because she spammed counters every frame)

GMS felt like a solid good fight

[west junco]

FINISHED IT

Still needs some fixing, tho...

Who cares?

Not me.

[clever furnace]

[full vale]

why is choral chambers arena so easy with beast crest

[clever furnace]

because much of the damage taken is single masks

[void prawn]

I feel like an unc

I forgot there was a choral chambers arena

[digital robin]

If you do 1 mask of damage beast and wanderer can just facetank without too much trouble (Beast having better range and DPS / Silk generation)

[broken plover]

I love how every hollow knight-tuber ive watched so far Censors their cuss words with hornet voice lines

[sudden plover]

Was sprint master swift looking similar to the dash master charm intentional?

[void prawn]

Yes

[glad stratus]

Wait holy shut silksong custom levels?

Hello???

[sudden plover]

I beat up a depressed man today

[west junco]

How do i remove this glowing effect?

[void prawn]

Yay

[broken plover]

Fun fact, Hornet voiceliness are actually her looking for her long lost siblings trust (much soil, very Soily)

Source: Me

[split sluice]

I just learned you can use the challenge button to start the widow fight

[peak cloud]

dude. does anyone else like the twisted bud or is it just me? like i think i have a base maternal instinct somewhere that makes me want to hold and cherish and protect it forever. i’d start a new save just to go collect the twisted bud and never give it to the greyroot thing 💔

[quiet sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9jqMn5XBQg

[broken plover]

How do you think the enemies and bosses of hollow knight react to the shade?
Do you think they're like: "Wtf they've got a phase 2 as well" or are they like "Yeah fly away little shade"

[split sluice]

Me when I paint my already evil little creature purple

[broken plover]

Theres lead in the purple paint thats why

[hardy jolt]

ABSOLUTE CINEMA

[quiet sentinel]

:3

[clever furnace]

aw man there's such a ton of cut content
I almost forgot about certain revealed stuff like the spiral shell village

[opal totem]

I wonder if there's anything special for kicking Kratt into the maggot water

[mental shuttle]

It can be used to start most fights actually

Anything with the
Challenge
\/

Thanks discord

[unreal hedge]

eternal punishment onto Kratt

[tawdry osprey]

Garama

[mental shuttle]

True

[little ferry]

I wish I could slap him more

Flea bounce doesn't count

[opaque shard]

We need a mod where you can kill kratt

[clever furnace]

kratt kinda ruins the vibe of the flea caravan for me even though he's supposed to be a joke character

i just don't appreciate that type of humor at all even though him being weird is the joke

[glad stratus]

Skorng

[ashen badger]

Never even saw that one interaction

but i think it's just kinda inoffensive

[opal totem]

I don't view him as a joke character, he's just meant to be unlikeable

[queen trench]

alright nice, I'm especially porud of my flea dodge record

[clever furnace]

well they did the job too well because i just want to be around the flea caravan as little as possible once he's around

it's not even like zote's mildly annoying type of unlikeable i just find him genuinely gross

[queen trench]

hold on... where are the sawblades?

oh my god, this is so cool

[queen trench]

time to rest up one last time before attempting the final battle

[queen trench]

also I just now realised the fact that "shaw" is basically "saw" as in sawblades

that's brilliant

[queen trench]

how do you deal with lost lace's parry? if I parry myself than the grounded version isn't a problem but I won't have enough time to dodge the aerial version and due to parrying I will be stuck in place

[quiet sentinel]

jump over her

[opaque shard]

Parry her parry

[digital robin]

Act 1 Karmelita area (no boss), glitchless https://youtu.be/J06uXHmeqPQ

[tawdry osprey]

Act 1 Lost Lace glitchless

Waiting for it

[queen trench]

druid's eyes or multibinder, which is better?

[quiet sentinel]

if youre using injector bands multi

if not then eyes

overall multi just has more synergy and by defacto, is better

with druids eyes it requires getting hit too

while multi works without needing to take damage

[clever furnace]

they are actually tied in raw utility
multibinder economizes your silk better by making 9 silk heal 4 masks instead of 3, saving you 3 silk
druid's eyes generate 2 silk per 2 hits, or a silk per hit, meaning that getting by 3 times returns 3 silk back

multibinder does have the slower bind downside, plus exposing yourself to getting the bind cancelled and losing the heal plus all your silk
druid's eyes work less optimally against non-multihit double damage attacks, like raw void damage

[queen trench]

yes but you're only going to use multi when you take damage

[quiet sentinel]

you can use it for other things

[queen trench]

like?

[quiet sentinel]

and also with the new buff

its just better

[quiet sentinel]

go to the wiki page

lol

[clever furnace]

you only bind to heal yourself
otherwise you'd spend silk on skills

stuff like claw mirrors increases the return investment of a bind, but you're always better off casting a skill

[quiet sentinel]

i never said thats not what its for?

im not here to have a discussion anyways lol

this is my opinion!! its an opinion!!

[sudden plover]

Y'all use skills?

I suck at the game so I always gotta use my silk for a bind

[clever furnace]

true

I forget to spend my silk lol

[quiet sentinel]

youre forgetting the fact that multi is consistent

[sudden plover]

I've decided

Silksong is ass play nine sols

[quiet sentinel]

while also having those synergies

i mean if you wanna use eyes go ahead

[sudden plover]

Hornet when used needles from creepy hospital

[quiet sentinel]

im just saying that youll find the consistency of binder much more appealing especially since most people run injector bands anyways

[sudden plover]

This wasn't meant to be a reply

Forgive me

[quiet sentinel]

weavelight injector and multi is my drug

they look so pretty together

[clever furnace]

i did mention eyes' downside against 2 mask damage

[quiet sentinel]

i didnt read that far eyes are poop

[queen trench]

yeah but longclaw

[quiet sentinel]

longclaw does jackshit once you start learning how to pogo chain

pretty sure it doesnt even affect up and downswings

[queen trench]

I'm talking bossfights

[clever furnace]

mfw the boss jumps into you for 2 masks

[quiet sentinel]

i still wouldnt use it lol

[queen trench]

alright

[quiet sentinel]

thats why you have multibinder

long air stall to safely heal lots

its okay to damage damage while being aggressive

noone is doing tas nohit level play lol

[queen trench]

I'm using hunter though, so taking damage directly reduces my dps on top of also forcing me to collect soul and heal

[quiet sentinel]

that 2nd half is redundant

you do that with every crest, why just hunter lol

[clever furnace]

hunter benefits a lot from building towards doing as much damage as possible to reduce the chances of getting hit

which also conserves focus

[quiet sentinel]

okay?

i dont see what this has to do with multibinder or eyes lol

[clever furnace]

if you got hit, hunter's at an immediate downside

[quiet sentinel]

so dont use hunter if you get hit

[clever furnace]

so any tool that tries to mitigate or benefit from getting hit works against hunter's gimmick

[quiet sentinel]

me when there is more than 1 playstyle

[clever furnace]

yea
but hunter favorite

the main reason i use hunter is honestly just because of the pogo at this point

it feels better than the straight down pogo for a lot of things now

[quiet sentinel]

im a hunter user as well i dont see the issue

i did my radiants with 0 tools

dont need a longclaw i can confirm

(i still havent nohit seth somehow though)

[clever furnace]

longclaw doesn't seem as useful as mark of pride was

[quiet sentinel]

because its not as efficient

longclaw is the other hk charm equivalent

long reach?

i forgot the name

[clever furnace]

longnail

[quiet sentinel]

that

[clever furnace]

when I'm in a unpredictable moveset competition and my opponent is seth
the dash attack after some moves can go to hell

[quiet sentinel]

its about the same i think

[quiet sentinel]

it sucks so much, i will do it one day

but not anytime soon

seth is harder than nyleth

[opaque shard]

real

[queen trench]

I mostly meant that being aggresive with hunter isn't a good strategy, even with hunter I'm still going to get hit and using something like multibinder or druids helps mitigate the risk

[opaque shard]

I wish she had more cool plant powers

like sister splinters thorn attack yknow

[queen trench]

also, yes I know, tools aren't a necessity to beat stuff, but they're there to help you

anyway I'ma continue at my lost lace attempts now

[sudden plover]

I assume gurr's fight is intentionally made to put you in very tricky situations that are hard to escape?

[queen trench]

you can hit the spikes intentionaly to let them dissapear to reduce the chances of tricky situations

[quiet sentinel]

true

the only good thing about the fight is that it intends clawline usage

i hope the dlc adds more fights that do that

since it doesnt really get much use in combat until you remember about it 20 attempts into groal or something

at least that was the case for me

[sudden plover]

I thought pinstress was dead lmfao

[vocal canyon]

woo, I did it. Beat steel soul and got speedrun 1 achievement, time for 100% achivos

[queen trench]

I think I did it!!

and 100%

also the cutscene at the end was so freaking cool!

like

[quiet sentinel]

lets go!!

good job
and yea i screamed when i saw the cutscene lol

i did not expect team cherry to show it at all

[solar fossil]

hi

[queen trench]

and finally succesful gayness

[queen trench]

hi, and welcome new membrane, this channel is full of spoilers so if you haven't completed silksong yet I don't reccomend being here

[opaque shard]

Membrane ✨

[solar fossil]

i didint finish but the youtube gave me to many spoilers , but im at the lace fight 2

[queen trench]

also a lot of new achievements within one day

[queen trench]

you should probably leave for now

[solar fossil]

i know whole game

[opaque shard]

Oh did you like get spoiled on the whole thing

[solar fossil]

youtube gave me the lost lace 5 tips , grand mother 5 tips or the secret ending with reborn

and things like that

[sudden plover]

Seeing "I like her" as soon as I open the pinstress entry is hilarious for no reason

[opaque shard]

I mean if ur ok with spoiler you can stay ig

[solar fossil]

im ok with them

[opaque shard]

Typical lesbo hornet

[sudden plover]

I beat pinstress and then immediately died to one of the flying things on the way out

I wander what pinstress thought seeing that

[opaque shard]

"Lmao what a dumbass" -pinstress

[sudden plover]

Hey who's this little ant guy in the target practice room?

He stole my curve claw how dare he

[opaque shard]

Come back a little later

[sudden plover]

Oh it was a trade

[solar fossil]

i had a situation on fourth chorus like i defeated him with 2 masks left and runed into lava

[sudden plover]

Runed

[solar fossil]

[solar fossil]

ima painting a painting of lost verdania

[sudden plover]

Imagine mourning your dead lover when a woman walks up to you, plays music with a string tied to a sword, and then she fucking passes out

[opaque shard]

And then you remember the good old days and then she fucking attacks you

[queen trench]

hornet didn't attack the green prince, the green prince initiated combat

[opaque shard]

I mean if you were having a moment with ur dead lover and all and some rando woman kept interrupting you would be pissed too

[clever furnace]

Im glad this game has such a great soundtrack

[queen trench]

yeah i suppose, I'm not blaming him for getting mad, I'm just saying that hornet didn't attack him, though I probably shouldn't argument any further as i'm still pissed about some argument I had in real life

[queen trench]

yeah I agree

[opaque shard]

Girl why you taking ur anger out on me 💔 /j

[full vale]

maybe I should do a run where I only use standard

like hunter's crest

already doing one where only beast and I'm having the most fun I've had in eons

sooo

[solar fossil]

hunter can be good if ur good in dodging because the upragade from eva

[sudden plover]

My crest journey or smth:

Hunter

Reaper

Wanderer

Reaper

Wanderer

Hunter

Wanderer

Fuck it hunter only

[full vale]

based

i fucking hate reaper tbh

[dim harbor]

i really enjoyed reaper

[unreal hedge]

i thought I'd like Reaper as a Slow And Powerful and tried using it, but it didn't work out

[barren ingot]

problem is that it isnt powerful 🥀

it's mostly just a build for consistency and survival as far as I can tell

extra silk upon healing or smth

[opaque shard]

I think it has the worst dps of em all lol

[unreal hedge]

noticing the lack of extra damage pushed me to other ones

eventually got stuck on Wanderer and then Architect

[barren ingot]

I just stuck with hunter, didnt want to have to go through a re-learning process

and I already had my memory slots used up on hunter

so I would be nerfing myself in terms of tools

[sudden plover]

Does skong have any extra percentage like hk or is it only 100

[opaque shard]

Only 100

for now

[unreal hedge]

hk has extra percentages because the free content packs added extra content that also was major enough to give percentages

it had 100% on launch

[sudden plover]

Why not just say dlc? It's still extra content you download

[unreal hedge]

i'm using Team Cherry's terminology, DLC is misleading because it implies you can download it rather than being part of the game

[barren ingot]

💔

[unreal hedge]

Rain World Remix has more attributes typical to a DLC than HK's free content packs tbh

[sudden plover]

Easier to say dlc

Three letters > 16 letters

[unreal hedge]

in verbal conversation, "content pack" is three phonemes and "update" is two, "DLC" is three
but it's also irrelevant to Discord

"update" is the standard term anyway

[sudden plover]

Does it even matter?

[barren ingot]

from my understanding, the modern usage of the term DLC on a broad scale heavily implies that the content is paid

that's why I dislike using the term, even if it could technically apply

people outside of the hollow knight community basically never use the term for free updates

[sudden plover]

We can say "improvement download" and no one will care why are we debating this

[barren ingot]

hey, I didn't start the debate, you were the one that went out of your way to call out someone else for using their preferred terminology 🫵

but yeah, it's not a very meaningful debate, you're right

[sudden plover]

I am the fool

[unreal hedge]

free DLCs are quite common anyway

[sudden plover]

But like

Still useless

My cat just attacked my ankle

[opaque shard]

Avreage cat behavior

[barren ingot]

I do resent the description of DLC as "any content you download" just because of how utterly vague that is, though.

[unreal hedge]

though typically with paratextual content, like a soundtrack or some development artwork

have seen free DLCs unrelated to that for minor content though

the distinguishing feature is it being something that can be downloaded and toggled separately from the main game

[barren ingot]

can you do that with the Content Packs™? 🤔

(outside of using steam's old updates system)

[unreal hedge]

at most like an extra level

[sudden plover]

Still content downloaded

Just with the rest of the game

[unreal hedge]

even with the updates system, can you toggle Godmaster without toggling on Lifeblood?

[barren ingot]

that's the thing I asked yes

because I do not know the answer

[unreal hedge]

doesn't this imply only added content?

[clever furnace]

[sudden plover]

We've become entertainment

[unreal hedge]

any irreversible edits/deletions to existing content should make it a separate category
which the standard DLCs do not fulfil by the virtue of being possible to toggle off

[clever furnace]

Yup -Azazel

[sudden plover]

Content update

[unreal hedge]

anyway let's have a moth

[unreal hedge]

is there anything to do in Nameless Town besides heading back

[opaque shard]

Theres a memonto

And mr.mushroom

[unreal hedge]

memonto?

honestly the ending to the ascent seemed, very abrupt

[unreal hedge]

sorry, my intended meaning by this was "what is a memonto?" rather than "is there actually a memonto?"

only two other mentions in the thread, none of which seem to clear it up

[opaque shard]

Oh lol

theyre like collectables
They dont actually give an precentage

[unreal hedge]

can't find it in a dictionary either so no context from that :leditoroverload:

[opaque shard]

Or an achivment

[unreal hedge]

huh

[opaque shard]

only one of em gives an achivment

[sudden plover]

It's in the materium page

Assuming that's .wiki

[opaque shard]

You can like place them at ur bellhouse and theyll just be there ig

[unreal hedge]

ah it's a typo of mementos :leditoroverload: didn't recognise it, my bad

[opaque shard]

[unreal hedge]

i was certain that there was a mechanic I forgot the name of lmao

[opaque shard]

This is what happens when you learn english through markipliers fnaf videos chat

[sudden plover]

If every crest has a gimmick, what is wanderers?

[opaque shard]

it can crit at full silk

[sudden plover]

Ah

[sudden plover]

GREEN PRINCE LETS YOU SKIP A BOSS!?

[void prawn]

Which one

[tawdry osprey]

il lets you skip a heart boss

[wise monolith]

im

going

to

explode

i just lost my furthest steel soul run to last judge!!!

her arena is literally the only rthing that makes it hard i swear </3

[barren ingot]

but it's just a flat surface 🤔

I wonder how judge would play out in a smaller arena actually

could be fun.

until the end.

[wise monolith]

its too small imo

maybe

she is just too big

[barren ingot]

just gotta figure out which moves to use to cross to the other side

[wise monolith]

ik

its just the fire attacks completely

eugh

maybe im just salty because i lost my very good steel soul run

[barren ingot]

which is fair

[wise monolith]

shouldve played less aggressively for steel soul anywho

[glad stratus]

(flashing/bright lights/overstimulation/loud) yeah seems balanced enough to steel soul ngl

[sudden plover]

I PRESSED B

I PRESSED IT

TWICE

I CLICKED

TWICE

WHY

WHY DIDNT I BIND

[sudden plover]

So like

How does void corrupted silk work? Like when a void enemy hits you and your silk turns black

[clever furnace]

you lose 2 silk one after the other, that's all

[broken plover]

Ever play a game that has like a [Cute outcast character from common enemy you befriend] that has you do the "ohoho so thats how you wanna play it eh?"
When you find them dead

That was my reaction to mottled skarrs death

[opal totem]

I'm learning just now that apparently getting two parts of the melody is a potential requirement for Shakra's wish

[peak cloud]

killing groal can activate the quest too, i think (idk)

[opal totem]

Or that yeah

[full vale]

grand mother silk if she was good

[broken plover]

Crosstitch has become my new favorite silkskill

[glad stratus]

What's y'all's favorite tool? Mines wispfathers melody

[glad stratus]

Gives me a reason to playthe nedolin

Unfortunately it's a modded tool

My favorite vanilla tool is uh idk throwing rings?

Poshanka

[hardy jolt]

me

[slim fjord]

TROBBBIIOO!

[glad stratus]

TROBBIOOOO

[quiet sentinel]

[hardy jolt]

wrufff :3

[opaque shard]

Nuh uh im gayer

[hardy jolt]

wrong

[opaque shard]

You are wronger

[hardy jolt]

im the gayest if your dead

[quiet sentinel]

wruffff,, >.<

[glad stratus]

Y'all don't know how much ɪ want a steel city dlc bro AAAAAAA

[full vale]

REAL

i loooo9ooove crossstitch

i can't use it but it's soooo good

[full vale]

truth nuke

[glad stratus]

sHaman crest VS 2 fourth choruses

might just be the best crest in the game ngl

[opaque shard]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3589086203&searchtext=Lace

Made a lace skin for rw

[quiet sentinel]

i left a comment and then realized the description already made that joke

[opaque shard]

💔

[quiet sentinel]

looks good :3

[opaque shard]

[icy basin]

guys i have a peak idea for silksong merch

putrified duct squit plush

now comes in easy-to-strangle sizes

lets you finally get revenge on those nnoying mf mosquitos irl as well as baiting them into the silksong evil plants

oh yea also stilkin plush

now with extra punchable face

[opal totem]

Kratt plush

Everyone wants a flea plush right

[opaque shard]

Human.sized.big.flea.plush

[icy basin]

AWOOOOO

sherma plush

now can sing

[opal totem]

He's not very plushable I think

[icy basin]

no sherma plush that sings if you put it next to a closed door

[opal totem]

Does the door come with it

[icy basin]

yes

you get the entire citadel as a bonus

[opal totem]

Should've sold the door separately

[icy basin]

fr

[quiet sentinel]

yes

awooo :3

[full vale]

i want a bell beast plush and a gay mantis plush

i can't believe gay mantises are real...

can't wait for trans bugs

hornet testosterone overdose? one can only dream

[clever furnace]

groal is dead

[woven basin]

Me when I have Sherma singing background with the song

[clever furnace]

honestly with wreath of purity groal is not even that hard and neither is the gauntlet but i just fumbled it so badly at the end for some reason and lived with 3 masks

[rich vale]

Any tips on ||last judge|| second phase?

[opaque shard]

I reccomend the magma bell tool for her

[rich vale]

I don’t this I have that, where would I get it?

[opaque shard]

At Forgedaugther

[rich vale]

Ah

Fuck, I forgot where she is

[opaque shard]

[rich vale]

I’ve seen her but I forgor

[opaque shard]

Shes in deep docks

[rich vale]

Ok

Thank the you :3

[opaque shard]

[rich vale]

So does it mean I only take one from the orange stuff?

Instead of two

[opal totem]

Sometimes

It has a cooldown

[opaque shard]

The cooldown is like 5 seconds

[rich vale]

I DID IT

SHES DEAD

Wait why am I falling down an elevator

Help

[opaque shard]

LMAOOOO

[distant holly]

do you think nosk would be the knight for hornet

[distant holly]

from nachos

[distant holly]

i read it as (savage) beastfly plush

[full vale]

ewwww

[sudden plover]

Trobbio gay lover is the gayest of gay

[mental shuttle]

Id reply if i could understand what you were saying 🥹

[sudden plover]

We will never know who trobbios gay lover is

What if it's green prince

Green prince got a red prince

Or is trobbio pink

[mental shuttle]

Green princes lovers soul got put into clockwork dancers

[sudden plover]

I know

[mental shuttle]

Gang his ass is loyal he ain't finding another lover

[clever furnace]

This is probably how green prince reacted to seeing the cogwork dancers -Azazel

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1195466177988804680/1416152790744698980/twitter_1966174318607598007.gif

[sudden plover]

He fixed the Cogwork dancers and put trobbios soul in it

[mental shuttle]

Trobbio
Is still alive

[sudden plover]

He killed trobbio

[opal totem]

Team cherry should fix that in the dlc

[opaque shard]

Wtf is happenin here

[sudden plover]

Insanity

[wide ledge]

trobbio

[sudden plover]

I need someone to take that 1x1 Lego brick clip of caseoh and just rotoscope trobbio over it

[distant holly]

trobbio’s love is the performance

[sudden plover]

Nah it's grimm

[opaque shard]

What if trobbios true lover is caretaker

and thats why he gets emo in act 3 cuz caretaker leaves

[sudden plover]

The short person in songclave?

[clever furnace]

I think he is just single

[sudden plover]

Impossible

[opaque shard]

Aroace king

[sudden plover]

What would elder bug think of trobbio

[distant holly]

trobbio kills bugs for fun

so idk

[split sluice]

Sherma is an aroace king

[sudden plover]

I feel like the murder isn't intentional he just gets so distracted with the performance he doesn't notice

[distant holly]

[split sluice]

Trobbio is a prisoner in putrified ducts

[distant holly]

silksong true ending ||if the base hollow knight ending were canon: the everbloom dissolves, and void tendrils kill hornet||

[clever furnace]

I am the best boss in silksong

[distant holly]

are you groal the great

/j

[split sluice]

Groal the great is great

[distant holly]

i can’t believe the hardest boss in silksong is sinner’s road

[split sluice]

Me when I find sinners road less enjoyable than bilewater

[opaque shard]

Thats so real

[split sluice]

Despite it being basically bilewater lite

[distant holly]

i won’t go there without the wanderer crest anymore

[barren ingot]

hey chat what's your favorite region other than bilewater

[split sluice]

Lost verdania

[opal totem]

There are other regions?

[split sluice]

(Actually my favorite overall region)

[distant holly]

it’s hard to pogo moving spikes with hunter lol

[opaque shard]

Bilewater is eternal

[opal totem]

I think citadel may be cool

[split sluice]

The only region other than bilewater is fleatopia

[distant holly]

that’s cheating

that’s multiple regions

[split sluice]

The citadel seems like it could’ve been a cool area, too bad we never visited it (/silly)

[opal totem]

Citadel would be the best if memorium had a section for bilewater

Now that I think of it, it really should've had one for pre pollution bilewater/ducts

[split sluice]

Absolutely

I’d love to see what the goop spitters were before being bile water’d

I think the worst part about the pollution is that the individual directly responsible for it was forced into that role (phantom)

[opal totem]

That'd just be primal aspid

Insert that one scooby doo meme

[sudden plover]

Playing skong with keyboard for the first time ever

[distant holly]

scary

[sudden plover]

I'm going to get my ass kicked cuz idk the controls

[distant holly]

i thought i could skip wanderer crest in 5 hour speedrun because i only used it on cogwork dancers when practicing, but i forgot sinner’s road is very difficult without a downward pogo

[split sluice]

Me knowing I could never skip wanderer

[distant holly]

so i guess i will get it anyway, so where else could i implement it?

phantom, trobbio, lace are better with hunter’s pogo

so idk lol

[opal totem]

Harder with wanderer imo

That hitbox is so tiny compared to hunter's downwards dash

[distant holly]

cogwork dancers?

because idk how sinner’s road could be easier with hunter lol

specifically the bench parkour

[opal totem]

Sinner's road

Because hunter goated

[distant holly]

i can’t get it right with the moving spikes you have to pogo

lol

also i think i can easily pogo on that random enemy with wanderer to skip a big room to the right

i almost got it with hunter but it’s kinda complicated

[opal totem]

Which

[distant holly]

you know the room where green prince is

the right one

after which you can unlock shortcut to the bench

[opal totem]

Idk I just went the intended route there

[distant holly]

it’s kinda risky lol

i wasted like an hour last time here

[opal totem]

Eh not really

Idk the only part I struggled in the speedrun was the forum

[distant holly]

probably better to get wanderer because it’s like 10 minutes loss

[opal totem]

And dancers but that was skill issue

[distant holly]

i just kinda want to maximize the usage of it, but i really don’t know where to use it

[opal totem]

Then consider minimizing the usage of it and skip it

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/455836779560304650/1217509054323228733/animal.gif

[distant holly]

[opal totem]

Or even better, go for reaper instead

[distant holly]

yeah, but really the parkour to unlock the bench is difficult

[distant holly]

i don’t think it’s faster though

[opal totem]

But it's funnier

[distant holly]

since i’m getting hunter upgrade too

though it’s really funny to use wanderer on cogwork dancers because they die like immediately

especially with flea brew

they stand in one place a lot, so it’s easy to get a lot of hits

[opaque shard]

Who would win?
The sleeping goddes of silk
Or
Spider on drugs

[distant holly]

actually i should try wanderer on grand mother silk

it might work

[opaque shard]

Flea brew+wanderer destroys gms

i did that for my speedrun lol

[opal totem]

What doesn't destroy gms

[opaque shard]

Ture

[distant holly]

i think cogflies would be better

[opaque shard]

I also had the pre-nerf silk storm which managed to kill her in 1 min 💔

[opal totem]

I was thinking of getting silkstorm but decided there's no point since I'm getting cross stitch later

[opaque shard]

Also the first pale oil is relatively easy to get

[sudden plover]

I beat moss mother

[opaque shard]

Not to mention the first two are free I def reccomend em

[opaque shard]

Me who did all radiant bosses with keyboard:

[sudden plover]

I've never used keyboard before it's very difficult

[distant holly]

i wanted to get it for high halls arena, but realized silk spear is way better

[opal totem]

I just bought saws for that

[distant holly]

cross stitch is kinda difficult to use 💔

[opaque shard]

I didnt have much trouble with the hh arena with silkstorm (it was also pre nerf so idk)

Ngl silkstorm destroyed em

[distant holly]

i used it only against trobbio’s tornadoes

[opal totem]

I used it for dancers a lot

[distant holly]

idk how to use it properly smh

[opaque shard]

Idk how useful itll be with the new nerf now tho

[opaque shard]

Spamming it makes it last longer

[opal totem]

Which may or may not be the reason why I was stuck at them for longer than I should have

[distant holly]

i just end up getting hit while casting it

silk spear is faster

[opaque shard]

Im like the #1 silkstorm user lol

[opal totem]

Silkstorm extension does negligible extra damage now anyway

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1222614800920740000/1359151771938849019/goog.gif

[opaque shard]

Ye sad

[opal totem]

I am not sad about it not being the best silk skill by far

[distant holly]

well, i will use wanderer for cogwork dancers so having crit is better than thread storm anyway

[opal totem]

It's still pretty good

[opal totem]

Debatable

[distant holly]

well, it’s easier to use

[opaque shard]

I only ever used silkstorm and cross stitch ngl

[opal totem]

You can go the entire battle with like 2 crits, that's like 1,5 storms of damage

[distant holly]

i need to learn how to use cross stitch against lace tbh

[opal totem]

I need to cry for rune rage buff

[opaque shard]

Is it useful now?

[opal totem]

Apparently it's gotten nerfed

[distant holly]

yeah but considering how fast is wanderer, it would land more hits in the time of one thread storm

[opal totem]

You could focus one bug to make the fight faster and threadstorm it while it's mid air

[distant holly]

evil team cherry made them not share hp for some reason

there is kinda no way of knowing that they would be at their starting sides after the spinning attack

[sudden plover]

I suck at this

[opal totem]

I mean kinda makes sense

Just not something you expect the game to do

[distant holly]

also only the right one can be hit during it

anyway i don’t think thread storm really worth it because you need to do an additional arena to unlock it

that’s kinda too much time

also random thing, but it’s better to get the whiteward key before creating songclave, since the trader will take it before you otherwise

and you would need to do the quest

[opal totem]

I mean, the key is right there when you ring the songclave bell, the only reason to not get it is if you didn't know about it

[broken plover]

Bullying the poor guy

Coughing robot vs spider lady with snail shell

[misty isle]

Nail only Lost Sinner done wohoooooo

[distant holly]

in the high halls arena, hornet fights politicians

[solar fossil]

[broken plover]

Tbh its a very Timing based thing

[full vale]

yes, exactly why I can't use it

i have the reflexes of a goddamn snail

[icy basin]

gg goated

wait i also did it nail only i just forgor my tools existed

also any form of weaver fight is just a lot more fun with wanderers crest imo

[icy basin]

so hornet is doing everyone a service by killing those mfs

[gleaming badger]

Wait how is the lost sinner fight, I might try the mod out at some point

Or is it best to experience blind

[dense wasp]

finally finished building all of my crests im free

[misty isle]

Its hard as fuck but fun

Theres one bullshit attack, but even it can be learned via sheer trial and error or correctly timed iframes / heal

[wooden sun]

Thats a very , but
I think you gotta cover up the top right of the map since this is a #offtopic-agenderal thread

[clever furnace]

I don't see the issue tbh

[rustic schooner]

o yea

[rustic schooner]

entire rain world map

[clever furnace]

I was playing clueless :(

It was not an issue until The Him pointed it out

You could also argue there's spoilers for multiple games but who cares

oop, there it goes, helper pressed the red button

[rustic schooner]

new silksong dlc map leak real..

[rustic schooner]

no that was me

[clever furnace]

oh ok

[wooden sun]

I am the evil rule follower! (Muhaha)

[digital robin]

"Hollow Knight: Zote Adventure" map be like (it will come in 20 years and cost 15$)

[split sluice]

Where P-2

[clever furnace]

it's over again
savage beastfly 2
I don't think barbed 100% steel soul is being done by me
It dawned on me that I literally spent the entire day playing just to die to this guy
So another attempt will just be a waste of my time again

[misty isle]

This map is literally getting bigger each time I see it

[barren ingot]

💥 bad argument that could be said for literally anything 💥 💥 💥

💥

[clever furnace]

sorry gamers, I cannot join the gamer ranks myself

[misty isle]

Barbed steel soul sounds like hell

[barren ingot]

perhaps I shall start another steel soul attempt

[misty isle]

Do nail-only Lost Sinner instead

With Witch crest if you want to feel funny

[barren ingot]

I should really practice High Halls arena but I think I'll just wait until I can get shakra to help

[misty isle]

High Halls arena is just done like Failed Champion

Wait for big guy to slam, immediately cut distance, retreat when the attack starts, repeat

You can also cheese most of flying enemies by hitting their projectiles

[barren ingot]

I am aware of the general strategy, execution consistency that late into a run is just something I don't want to risk ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[misty isle]

Fair enough, Steel Soul is brutal

Small concentration lapse and you take double damage several times in a row and lose 3 hour run

[barren ingot]

I think the way I'll do this run is by (trying) to not use any quit-outs, but once I inevitably do, counting the number

[misty isle]

Steel Soul with quit outs is kinda lame ngl, but you do you

[barren ingot]

it's a single player game, judging others for their choices is silly 🤏

[misty isle]

Yeah

[dense wasp]

make sure you practice the act 3 intro arena

[barren ingot]

I'll just Die instead

[dense wasp]

and also know the platforming beforehand

[opal totem]

Can we judge team cherry for making such a fun gamemode instead

[misty isle]

Steel Soul was a mistake 🙏

[barren ingot]

my general plan is to just get as much stuff as I can in act 2

[gleaming badger]

That was my steel soul

[dense wasp]

i just finished my steel soul 100%

[gleaming badger]

I didnt get the 5 hour achievement but I did get the 30 with my steel heart

[misty isle]

ngl I would be much more satisfied with a "increased damage, hp and speed" gamemode than Steel Soul

[gleaming badger]

Same

[barren ingot]

I find permadeath gamemodes more interesting personally

it gives you a different relationship with the game

makes your actions feel more meaningful

[gleaming badger]

It's kinda Hunter 2.0

I love smacking things with my needle

It actually feels satisfying

[opal totem]

I feel like it doesn't really change the gameplay while adding the frustration of losing a lot of time on death

[misty isle]

Steel Soul would be fun if Hornet wasnt made out of wet paper that dies in 3 hits

[dense wasp]

i think steel soul is good but i do want to say that its a lot better in games with some level of randomization so youre learning mechanics instead of patterns if that makes sense

[opal totem]

Actually it does change the gameplay

I don't experiment anymore

How fun

[barren ingot]

I've been considering going back to hollow knight to finish off the pantheons- the absurd silksong difficulty increase makes me feel more than equipped to do so

[misty isle]

Good luck with adapting to base HK moveset again 🥹 it feels horrible in comparison

[gleaming badger]

You get so used to drift though I want more airtime in hollow knight 😭

[dense wasp]

its an optional challenge mode that gives you nothing with a gameplay impact

the reason to do it is because you like the challenge it provides

[opal totem]

Or the achievement

Which is the case for most people

[gleaming badger]

Inb4 hollow knight mod that gives you more of a hornet movement

[dense wasp]

yeah nothing with a gameplay impact

[barren ingot]

I think people have modded playable silksong hornet into hollow knight already

[gleaming badger]

Nice

[misty isle]

What would the theoretical gameplay impact be?

[dense wasp]

rephrase the question

[gleaming badger]

OK i get off work in 2 ill be around in half an hour, might continue my beast crest only run

[misty isle]

What counts as a "gameplay impact", in a sense that it would make Steel Soul more worth to play?

[dense wasp]

some significant content in the gamemode itself or something non cosmetic that carries over into other files

[opal totem]

Eh carrying over isn't necessary

I just want a unique challenge that isn't just maxing up the punishment for death

[dense wasp]

the steel soul exclusive content is not very significant its a void mass and shell shards

[opal totem]

I was hoping steel gang will do that but nope