Silksong Discussion (soiler warning)

[clever furnace]

And i love it

[vocal canyon]

True!

[clever furnace]

Silksong is so dope -Lotus

[glad stratus]

Near the place with the pimpillo?

[tawdry osprey]

ummm i think so?

cant open the game now but

its like top top greymoor

its not really ultra close to that, but around that area

[glad stratus]

where

[glad stratus]

Twin where the fuck am i

I'm scared

The music is scary

Whys the music scary

What the fuck

Oh hell no the door closed behind me I'm fucking cooked bro

[void prawn]

So I like

Got all the fleas and

Uh

When does the he party's star

Festival

Whatever

[clever furnace]

@void prawn act 3

boy o' boy it is every steel souler's and speedrunner's favorite part again!
time for the walking simulator

surely I can get the moss grotto marrowmaw hitless

I could not

third time's the charm?

fuck yea!

[clever furnace]

Thats how we lost our first steel soul run -Lotus

it is a rite of passage for me
the run was already doomed if I don't get this guy

surely I nohit moss mother like cmon

[full vale]

does anyone know WHY in the nine hells does my silksong keep deleting the fact that i have steelsoul

[clever furnace]

yea, as expected, nohit

Nice -Lotus

does sherma get past the bone gate if you don't open it?

[clever furnace]

where the fuck are you

I've never seen this room

to the right of the start of the campaign
you can jump up and there's some shell shards
you can jump again to see this guy sleeping

[void prawn]

I'm at act 3 tho

[clever furnace]

maybe they're still there
it's just a beast shard though, nothing fancy

[void prawn]

What if I rejoin the game and the festival has started

[sudden plover]

First sinner would be early act 2 spoilers right?

[clever furnace]

you have to get to PD to get to first sinner

that's in no way early

at the very least it's post-Fay

[wide ledge]

trying to beat mucked beastfly

its beautiful

[full vale]

yay i got kidnapped1

[wide ledge]

beautiful

obs didnt record ❤️

[distant holly]

it’s called ruined chapel because the crest is called ruined crest

[wide ledge]

truth

[clever furnace]

chapel of the ruined

[glad stratus]

I got all fleas now what

[clever furnace]

visit flea caravan for your reward ofc

k wanderer time, pretty much the earliest damage buff I can get

[glad stratus]

And then?

Did I do all that for a tool 💔

What about flea carnival

[clever furnace]

act 3

k did the wanderer arena, that was slightly painful without swift step but it is done

y'know, the simple key from pebb aint that bad of an investment at all
there's several rosaries in the wanderer chapel, plus a mossberry you can sell to moss druid

[broken plover]

Bought silksong, going in (mostly) blind, what does it mean when hornet says "garuma"

[clever furnace]

she says it when challenging, so maybe it's her war cry?

[broken plover]

Ahh ok

[clever furnace]

damn, wanderer's dps is really noticeable
it's so much easier to just... not get hit when you're killing the bad guys before they can do more attacks

got dash, I can move now

[wise monolith]

fuck your skong

cant believe google really added a skong interaction 🥹

you seeing this

[clever furnace]

we did it gamers, multibillion dollar company recognizes our "niche indie" game

[wise monolith]

WOOOOOOOO

[clever furnace]

wonder if anyone's ever used the simple key to open the deep docks door and skip lace 1

speaking of, chat guess how many crits will I land on lace

[tawdry osprey]

2

[clever furnace]

3

[tawdry osprey]

almost

[clever furnace]

damn, not a single crit on the skarrgard :(

k it's skarrgard + spear skarr time

k got em

was playing it extra extra safe and running away as soon as I got hit, took a bunch of tries but eventually beat these 2 no hit

thank heavens the room isn't locked when fighting em

[split sluice]

destruction yay

[opal totem]

Isn't that how people get Lace in sinner's road

[lyric geode]

I’m never getting the 100% steel soul achievement 😭

[wise monolith]

🔥

[clever furnace]

sister splinter 1
me 0

[sudden plover]

Green prince is a gay guy right?

[opal totem]

No, only his husband

[quiet sentinel]

TRUE

[glad stratus]

shits rigged bruh

[glad stratus]

What happens after you beat the mini games? Can you still play them?

[broken plover]

M-minigames?

[clever furnace]

you are declared the champion of the festival and get to break the piñata on the flea juggle stage
inside there's a rather modest sum of rosaries, shell shards and, most importantly, a gland of pale oil

[opal totem]

What happens if you let Seth get there before getting pale oil

Is it even possible

[glad stratus]

Do you get to play them again though

After doing the wish

[clever furnace]

yea you can play all you want

[glad stratus]

Hooray

[clever furnace]

he probably doesn't arrive at fleatopia until you complete ecstasy of the end

[distant holly]

what

[sudden plover]

With how long hornet has been alive and the fact she has had multiple dates

She has to be at LEAST a little bi

[void prawn]

Or like

A lilllllllllll pan

[sudden plover]

I don't think skong has as many gay relationships as the first game

The first game had

What?

3

Skong has at most 2

[void prawn]

I thought it was like

Only grey mourner and uh

[sudden plover]

Unless I missed some lore

[void prawn]

I already forgot

[sudden plover]

Funny sword man and funny art man

[clever furnace]

what up with y'all wanting to make the bugs gay

[sudden plover]

They're so happy together

[sudden plover]

Because gay bugs are better than gay frogs /ref

[void prawn]

Ohh I killed funny sword man

[sudden plover]

So did I and I have regrets

[void prawn]

I have none

[clever furnace]

i mean, it was his request

[opal totem]

Going to the simple key part of deep docks early game

I think I'll die

[sudden plover]

He's so much happier with his painter bf tho

[opal totem]

How do you know he's not happy when dead

[sudden plover]

Like is it just me or does he seem less tired with sheo?

[opal totem]

Well he quit his job

That does make people less tired

[clever furnace]

hm, just you imo

[clever furnace]

watch for the guys that throw double damage balls

chat should I try out the mod that makes all instances of double damage instakill

[opal totem]

Sounds fun

Almost died to the big guy

[void prawn]

Download a mod that removes damage

[opal totem]

I think I survived

Lace skip real

[clever furnace]

wait until moss mother dies of age 🔥

[quiet sentinel]

Should I begin 15th attempt today or just play more Cloverpit

[clever furnace]

gamble or gamble

[opal totem]

Do the steel soul overprepare for everything challenge

[quiet sentinel]

I've been trying

[clever furnace]

can you get any masks before widow
or is 3 fragments the most you can get lol

[quiet sentinel]

I'll just run attempts up to sharp dart and phial and that's what counts as successful

[quiet sentinel]

Yes, you can get a mask after 2 abilities, 3 abilities if you don't use the cling skip

[opal totem]

Once you get cling grip the entire act 1 is unlocked so you should be able to get one mask

[clever furnace]

oh yea, cling grip nvm
so I meant if you can get a mask before cling grip

[quiet sentinel]

Specifically its be shop, wormways entrance, shellwood and docks (if you skip it by pogoing the bell enemy, skipping the need for cling grip)

So yes you can at most get 1 mask but it's not worth the timeloss to attempt it until after I get phial imo

I'd be wasting too much time grinding rosary for mask when I'm already doing it for the key

[clever furnace]

deep docks? where was that one

[opal totem]

What do you need the key for in act 1

[quiet sentinel]

wormways

[opal totem]

Isn't the mask right before the locked door

I forgot

[quiet sentinel]

i dont think theres any other entrance unless im dumb

phial

you go wormways for sharp dart skip and phial

thats what ive been doing anyways

[opal totem]

Well I don't

[quiet sentinel]

Most of the attempts end at widow but that recent one ended pre-act 2 its very sad

Best attempt is still hh arena

sigh

[clever furnace]

ah, you can, there's a shard near seamstress' home

then you get wormways, shop and shellwood

[quiet sentinel]

still not worth it until after i get phial but thats just my opinion

[clever furnace]

meh, I don't tools

[quiet sentinel]

people can spend the extra time getting those if they struggle with widow

why get 1 mask when you can get 4 with 1 tool

[clever furnace]

true, masks overrated

[quiet sentinel]

(using the shard pouch thing)

[opal totem]

Because I'm not running back to wormways to refill it

So I'm not using it in general

[quiet sentinel]

yea thats the only sucky part lol

[void prawn]

Can you beat widow in act 2

[opal totem]

I prefer my damage tools

[quiet sentinel]

widow is an act 1 boss wdym can you beat her in act 2

you literally need needolin for act 2

[void prawn]

Cuz technically needloin isn't needed for the mist

[quiet sentinel]

wut

[clever furnace]

act 2 can't be entered conventionally without needolin

[quiet sentinel]

no?

mist rooms dont generate an exit without it

[clever furnace]

though there's that one faydown cloak act 1 skip + wisp thicket entrance

[void prawn]

Oohhhghggisjdjcmsnauxf

[opal totem]

People forgot last judge route exists

[void prawn]

Ignore everything

[quiet sentinel]

you still need needle for last judge

[opal totem]

Nvm it requires needolin too

[quiet sentinel]

you literally play to open the door

[quiet sentinel]

even if it wasnt

[opal totem]

Then simply do mount fay and enter act 2 through wisp thicket

[quiet sentinel]

its like

coin flip upin coin flip upon coin flip

like

youre not getting it

[void prawn]

Let's go gambling

[quiet sentinel]

im sorry but even knowing the generation of the exit it wont happen

[quiet sentinel]

if the escape sequence wasn't scary to me id unironically do this to grab wings and clawline before i start collecting stuff

i feel like ill die in the arena room

its spooky with no upgrades i bet

oh though you do get 1 free uograde

oh yea that reminds me

i saw a video of someone doing rashers almost sub 3 (3:01) using the wisp thicket

so i might do that on the run cause it looked really simple

[hardy jolt]

awoooos at you :3

[opal totem]

Don't you need cocoons for mount fay

[clever furnace]

yea, multiple cocoon skips

[quiet sentinel]

oh LOL

[clever furnace]

at least, there were a few on that one video

[sudden plover]

I wish I looked like this but I'm a guy :(

I wanna wear pretty dress and cool mask :(

[clever furnace]

you're simply not trying hard enough smh

[quiet sentinel]

wruffff squishes my paw pads in your face

[sudden plover]

It's so sad :(

[quiet sentinel]

hmm yes let me just spawn some on my steel soul run

[hardy jolt]

wha >< arf

[sudden plover]

Why can't men wear dresses and be pretty

[quiet sentinel]

hii

[hardy jolt]

so true

[quiet sentinel]

could be cool if a steel soul death left a stain on the world during your next run though

[clever furnace]

i wanna
cloak
because it's cool

[quiet sentinel]

it wouldnt make sense but

oh i cant type that cause this thread isnt in a spoiler place LOL

[hardy jolt]

[sudden plover]

I want to look like her why can't I look like her

[quiet sentinel]

literally does this to you

[clever furnace]

oh, smth rain world related? that's a bummer

[quiet sentinel]

yea it was

[hardy jolt]

:3

[quiet sentinel]

the thing that happens when hunter dies and you play gourm

[clever furnace]

I was thinking that steel soul deaths could leave like, one of those white flowers from cradle or smth

[quiet sentinel]

Does beastfly 2 get extra hp as well when voided?

Or is it just 4 masks a ram

[opal totem]

I don't think anything gets more than 2 masks of damage when voided

[quiet sentinel]

Apparently moorwing can also be voide

[sudden plover]

This character alone gives me slight gender envy

I want to look like her please

[quiet sentinel]

Oh cool, I assumed void just doubled damage

[sudden plover]

Let me be pretty spider lady

[clever furnace]

@quiet sentinel both savage beastflies get double hp when black-threaded

[sudden plover]

How many

[quiet sentinel]

jeez

[opal totem]

Oh they both get voided

[void prawn]

Fish that breathes air and threatened to end humanity says beat savage beastfly two before act 3

[opal totem]

Makes sense

[quiet sentinel]

the extra mask in act 3 will be worth it to save them for that

do the minions get voided too?

voided tar bitches..

[sudden plover]

Imagine I find out I'm trans in like a year and this was just foreshadowing

[void prawn]

I was thinking the same thing

[clever furnace]

they are likely black-threaded at random like other act 3 enemies

[void prawn]

The closet is torn silk bro

[sudden plover]

Idk we may not need to wait I've been thinking about it for a while ngl

[void prawn]

If it's your real feelings then uh

Idk

I'm not trans

[sudden plover]

That's the thing

Idk

I'm still thinking on it

[clever furnace]

eh, do whatever you want for all I care. I can call you they n'shit

[sudden plover]

It's like

Maybe

But possibly not

[opal totem]

Going to hunter's march without proper tool setup

What could go wrong

[void prawn]

They AND ****? You say they and that makes you ****?

.

They and ****

RAH

JUST PUT THE *️⃣

[clever furnace]

the all reliable they/them pronouns, they mostly not fail
except for those users that specifically dislike having those used
their issue tbf

[opal totem]

Immediately almost lost to the big ant guy

[clever furnace]

skarrgard ❤️

do not the skarrgard without swift step

[quiet sentinel]

do not skarrguard ever

[opal totem]

Too late

Now I'm going to die at the arena

Unless Shakra still comes to help me

[clever furnace]

gl with the spear skarr + skarr stalker wave

[opal totem]

Sting shard shall carry

Even if I'm too broke for crafting kit

[clever furnace]

too broke? after the arena you should enemy pogo to the treasury over the mottled skarr shop for some money

[opal totem]

I'd like to but the last time I tried it didn't work too well

Guess I'll farm enough by just going through it

Assuming I survive

[void prawn]

Do not the bench without detrapping

[opal totem]

That's the least of my worries

Ok Shakra is here

[void prawn]

Shakras duel genuinely made my brain overclock

[opal totem]

Easy

I feel like having Shakra there makes this arena easier than any other prep you can do in act 1

[void prawn]

I didn't have aid for ANY arena or boss/EVIL/NEG/SRS

[clever furnace]

wonder why mottled skarrs are outcasted
shopper's behind a hidden entrance and some traps
curvesickle skarr hides immediately upon noticing you
gurr is the outcast

[void prawn]

I got the fractured mask after he was dead because for one I suck at exploring and two

I don't wanna speak to it

[opal totem]

I wonder if they got outcasted because of their marks or the outcasted skarrs are getting marked

5 rosaries off getting the mask

[clever furnace]

forgot to mention, shopper's killed by what seems to be skarr stalker blades, which means they got good reason to hide as they're killed on sight

[quiet sentinel]

I can think of a few reasons

outcast because they interact with bugs outside of their tribe (vendor, curvesickle)

and the other one literally killed his own people to string them up

so those are my theories for why they are outcasted

[opal totem]

Gurr should've gotten a job at the memorium

[quiet sentinel]

so true

[sudden plover]

New account pronouns :3

It's no longer dumb/ass

It's now

Confusion

Because idk anymore

[clever furnace]

cool

[opal totem]

Moorwing skip unlocked

Not gonna do it because grilled moorwing funny

[clever furnace]

true...

[sudden plover]

Still wish I looked like first sinner

[hardy jolt]

im so silkbrainrotten this looks like a silk soar spot

[quiet sentinel]

above youll find a bunch of paintings of the nailsmith stashed away

trust

[wooden sun]

There's a hidden Heart up there, there has to be!

[hardy jolt]

[void prawn]

I love how skong manages to put organs in the game yet it's 10+

[wooden sun]

For a moment I thought you were talking about the instrument. I might need sleep.

[quiet sentinel]

why is it so tiny

tiny text

what's the point if it still doesnt all fit x3

[wooden sun]

Silksong is tiny, because bugs are tiny.

[quiet sentinel]

so many bugs in silksong..

[opal totem]

It's tiny because it's a small indie game

[quiet sentinel]

so niche, we must spread the word

[sudden plover]

I mentioned this in a random small server and they fucking banned me

What the fuck

Assholes lmfao

[wooden sun]

Such a hidden gem

[void prawn]

Transphobes🥹

[wooden sun]

Oh dear

[sudden plover]

Doesn't matter anyways they had like 15 people

Not like I couldve had much conversation there

[wooden sun]

And it still mattered that much to them?!

[opal totem]

Silksong discussion

[sudden plover]

I like first sinner

Very much

[void prawn]

I do too

Faster widow and lowkey I like fast bosses

[sudden plover]

She is very pretty and I wish I looked like that

[void prawn]

Shakra put me into brain overdrive with how fast she moves tho

[sudden plover]

First sinner is infecting me with the trans

[quiet sentinel]

Out of the foods you collect for the gourmand, which one would you want to try? For me I'd love to have a taste of the nectar

I like honey so I'd imagine it'd be somewhat similar

[void prawn]

Pickled muckmaggot

[opal totem]

Pickle

[sudden plover]

I forgot what you get for that

[wooden sun]

I am terrified of what any of the food in Hollow Knight's world would taste like

[sudden plover]

Might try the pickled muckmaggot tho I like exotic foods

[opal totem]

What would mossbrew even be

[void prawn]

But being so fr

[quiet sentinel]

Miso soup

[void prawn]

Mmmmmm mossbrew

Slurrrrrp

[quiet sentinel]

There probably is a moss stew that exists somewhere

[void prawn]

Moss

[quiet sentinel]

nvm man

[opal totem]

Also when the guy prepared food for the gourmand and the screen went black did anyone else think the guy was going to get eaten instead

[quiet sentinel]

we have moss soup in stardew, so obviously it must exist

[sudden plover]

It's like she grabbed me by the ankles and threw me into the closet of trams

[wooden sun]

It's probably like an extremely sour berry, and it's stew is just it's juice cooked.

[quiet sentinel]

then again we also have lollypops made from cave carrots in that game, so idk how accurate it is.

[sudden plover]

You... Literally just

Talk to her???

[sudden plover]

Isn't it literally the easiest one?

[quiet sentinel]

It's the first I got Yea

[sudden plover]

Just go back to moss druid

Press interact

Free quest item

[void prawn]

Pickled is I didn't know I was getting it

[void prawn]

I have yet to even get it

[sudden plover]

No it's behind a boss

[void prawn]

Other then couriers it's the last thind I need

Thing

[quiet sentinel]

Is there a wai to turn of AI search on google with a setting I hate it so much

[void prawn]

I think so

[sudden plover]

Moss stew you literally get it from talking to the druid for five seconds

[quiet sentinel]

My guess was kinda corret

There is a miso soup that uses a type of moss

[wooden sun]

I think it's just adding -ai to the end of your searches.

[quiet sentinel]

That's the closest it'd probably be

[void prawn]

Sometimes it's a bit helpful but "go to ____" "leave ____" "do nothing at ______" "go back to ____" "get quest item"

[quiet sentinel]

That works

[wooden sun]

I find it funny that a lot of those fetch-quest style wishes are like

• Free item
• Maybe a bit hard to find
• ||BILEWATER BILEWATER BILEWATER||
• Random corner

[void prawn]

I HATE couriers rashers

[opal totem]

Huh

[void prawn]

It's the last thing I need

[opal totem]

Which one is bilewater

[quiet sentinel]

I really enjoyed the chestnut one because getting to listen to the crunchy noises while getting it was awesome

[wooden sun]

The bilewater shaman soul, or the pickled muckmaggot (close enough)

[quiet sentinel]

That one is sinners road no?

[void prawn]

I HATE groal

Die groal

[opal totem]

It is

[wooden sun]

Sinners road is close enough

[opal totem]

I kinda like groal

[void prawn]

Grrrrr

Throws a rock at you

[quiet sentinel]

stupid discord

[sudden plover]

First sinner

The character of trans awakening

Like

She's so pretty and I want to look like her

Look at her

[wooden sun]

Just wait for a Silken Pale Being to reach our lands and give you the gift of silk

[sudden plover]

I don't wanna be possessed sorry

[wooden sun]

And then become the first to rise up in rebellion

[sudden plover]

I don't wanna be locked up and starved to death,sorry

[void prawn]

Then get sealed away and wait for a pale being with weaver DNA to come in so you can test her

[sudden plover]

At least that's what I assumed happened to her cuz like

Her cage has no openings or anything

How would that give her food

She also looks like she hasn't eaten just from how skinny she is

[wooden sun]

I mean, you can turn yourself into a statue and wait a couple thousand years.

[void prawn]

You can see her ribcage dawg

[sudden plover]

That's what I mean

They starved her ass for being like

"Hey

You lied to us

That's not very nice"

Like is there anything saying she did anything more than confront GMS for lying?

[wooden sun]

Considering what the other weavers did after they found out the truth, likely something very daring and dangerous

[sudden plover]

From what I've seen I feel like she just confronted GMS like

"You're a liar why would you lie that's such a dickhead move"

And GMS just threw a fit and locked her up to die

[void prawn]

I hate GMS

Radiance was like

Meh the kingdom was hers at first but she's still evil

GMS is just a crybaby

[sudden plover]

Radiance had a reason to be upset

Some guy took her land and her people

GMS is just

A dick

She's so mean

And she threw a hissy fit cuz people were mad that she's a liar

Like

It's true ain't it?

[void prawn]

Wasn't pharloom not GMS' in the first place or sum

[sudden plover]

She showed up and made pharlids into weavers iirc

She also made them all ladies for some reason so offspring was an impossible dream for them

[wooden sun]

No, there were the four major tribes before her, represented by all the Act 3 Hearts

[void prawn]

The freak is a pharlid

[sudden plover]

Little spider guys in blasted steps

Crawling on the walls

[void prawn]

EXACTLY SHE CRASHED OUT OVER A KINGDOM THAT WASN'T HERS

[wide ledge]

the spoiler war

[void prawn]

lil spider guys?

[sudden plover]

The ones that crawl on the walls and swing their claws when you get close

These assholes

[void prawn]

You think the weavers in hallownest are different then the ones that GMS made or sum

[wide ledge]

pre-gms bilewater dream world dlc trust

[wooden sun]

No it's explicitly told to us that some of the weavers ran from Pharloom to other kingdoms

[sudden plover]

They're probably ones that fled after gms threw her fit

[opal totem]

I wonder if voided groal is possible

[sudden plover]

Do you think there are some that are still alive?

[void prawn]

Hallownests look pretty different to me that's why I asked

[sudden plover]

Imagine if we get a dlc where weavers return to pharloom after discovering that GMS is no longer a problem and that they don't need to deal with her hissy fir

[wooden sun]

In The OG Hollow knight you can actually stumble across a perfectly alive and sane Weaver before they scuttle off, so likely.

[sudden plover]

Yeah she just

Watches you

Like

"Who the fuck are you? Why are you in my house? Oh God don't get near me"

[wooden sun]

Wasn't GMS under the Weaver's sleep spell when they ran away?

[sudden plover]

Yeah

She threw her fit

They put her to sleep cuz she was throwing a fit (oh God she is just a big baby they just put her down for a nap to calm down lmfao)

They fled

[wooden sun]

Then there's the few that stuck around to try and make Eva to replace her.

[sudden plover]

Eva was a failure right?

[wooden sun]

[sudden plover]

She has a body in that machine but she's just incredibly frail that it would collapse the moment she left iirc

Do you think the little watching and laser scuttlers came before or after Eva?

[wide ledge]

i really enjoy the sound that the first sinner prison seals do

[wooden sun]

I'm still trying to piece together when Phantom or Lace where born, considering they're GMS's children

And GMS is just flat out eepy for most of the game's events

[sudden plover]

Likely after the weavers left

She is awake in the cocoon I think but she can't do much cuz too eepy

[opal totem]

I still don't really understand to what extent she's awake

She's awake enough to cause the haunting but seems to only fully wake up when challenged

[sudden plover]

Prolly like

That feeling you get like

Right after you wake up where like

The light burns and your ankles hate you and you wanna go back to sleep

[wooden sun]

Some higher beings are known for still being able to influence the world around them while asleep, like Unn from OG HK, so maybe it's just that her Silk is unknowingly following her will while shes dreaming?

[barren ingot]

I broke it and then the cutscene finished before I could pick up the money 💔

[sudden plover]

Hornet yelling at her was probably kinda like

Someone walking up to you as your about to fall back to sleep and saying "hey. No. Get up. Don't go to sleep."

[sudden plover]

As they snap their fingers in your face

[opal totem]

I also wonder who ordered bringing weavers back

[void prawn]

I think the "GARAMA" is more like a "I'M GONNA KILL YOU I'M GONNA KILL YOU I'M GONNA KILL YOU I'M GONNA KILL YOU"

[sudden plover]

Insert that one flip notes animation

[opal totem]

Was it grand mother trying to get her children back or conductors tired of having to sustain the song and wanting weavers to serve again

[sudden plover]

Didn't GMS drag them back to kill them and take back their silk or smth

[wooden sun]

It might be both

[sudden plover]

Cuz

Y'know

She was throwing her hissy fit

[void prawn]

Hot take- architects crest requires skill

[wooden sun]

Since the people holding the cages are haunted, and the notes on the cages are written lucidly

[opal totem]

But how did those people get orders

[sudden plover]

I find it funny that everyone agrees that GMS is just a massive crybaby

[opal totem]

Did conductors tell them or did they just get it beamed into their minds via silk

[void prawn]

What happens if I lowkey murder 8billion people

[quiet sentinel]

Both but the only stuff that points to gms is cause of lace, without her I think just the conductors

Cause clearly there is stuff going on with widow and gms

[sudden plover]

Like everyone saw how she acted through lore tablets and said

"Yeah she's a crybaby"

[quiet sentinel]

I think it's quite the opposite, the entire game is based on the weavers throwing a tantrum after finding out they were adopted children basically

[opal totem]

I'm also not sure whether she was staked to service by the order of bugs of citadel or gms

[quiet sentinel]

Yea I'm not sure either

Daughter of gms is the only link

Whoever gave the order could've been the conductors

[sudden plover]

I would also be pretty mad if I was told for a really long time that I was basically a god and that I was far above common person

Only to find out I'm a common person but like

A bit better

[quiet sentinel]

It'd make the most sense thematically cause they're all about keeping the song alive

[opal totem]

The fact that she's not allowed to use her silk kind of sounds like gms punishing her children not deeming them worthy of using it

Idk if it's really something citadel bugs would do

[quiet sentinel]

I think it's a precaution

[opal totem]

Maybe they would out of fear

Yeah

[quiet sentinel]

Phantom uses her silk and is "unravelling"

[wooden sun]

They did remove widow's mask, which does have some weird mask maker implications

[quiet sentinel]

So it could be out of care - in true ending gms unravels herself to keep lost lace alive for a bit longer, and then fully unravels to get us out

[opal totem]

Well phantom didn't leave gms

[sudden plover]

Why is lace laying down when you meat her in the cradle?

Like is she taking a nap before the fight or smth?

[void prawn]

Hmmmmm soft flower yay

[opal totem]

How do I make Garmond move his ass out of his resting spot and help me with moorwing

[sudden plover]

Aren't phantom and lace like

Fully made of silk

It's probably a lot harder for them to rebel than it was for weavers since weavers were only upgraded with silk

[wide ledge]

that's her bedroom trust

[sudden plover]

Lace sleeping in her room only for a random pilgrim who somehow got the melody to ride up on the elevator

[void prawn]

Then beat the soul outta her

[opal totem]

Oh I missed the dialogue

[wooden sun]

That actually might be why she's set there.
GMS might have forced her to act as a sentinel for any pilgrim who rose up into the cradle, since they would mostly likely be there to strengthen the sleep spell somehow.

[sudden plover]

Just like

"How did you get up here you don't have the stuff you get from the old people like it's literally impossible to get the thing without it!"

[wooden sun]

So that room might be where Lace has to be when she's not given permission to be anywhere else.

[wide ledge]

lace 2... sentinel..?
duuude

hollow knight

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1395918127811788963/1420189179802816602/morgan-freeman-true-ezgif.com-resize.gif

[sudden plover]

I'm pretty sure you need the melody to reach the cradle since you like

Really need to rely on silk skills and if someone has the silk skills to get the melodies they can probably kill GMS

[sudden plover]

Since the citadel was made by weavers

[wooden sun]

You could just sing it

[sudden plover]

They made sure only someone powerful enough to overthrow GMS could get there

[sudden plover]

You need to know it

And the only people who know it are the people who hold the melodies

So you need to reach them

[wooden sun]

Presumably back in the day it was much easier to reach them

[sudden plover]

But you need the silk skills to reach them

[wooden sun]

Since the conductor seems to imply is was often heard in his prime

[sudden plover]

Idk architects thing is hard to reach

[wooden sun]

That one seems to have been purposefully sabotaged by un-aligning the song mechanism. so Maybe the tower could be heard from other parts of the citadel?

[sudden plover]

Maybe it was a puzzle made to prevent idiots from getting it since it seems to have been built as a puzzle

[wide ledge]

i hated watcher knights so bad thank glooby there wasn't anything like that in silksong

[opal totem]

Forum

[wide ledge]

not even that bad

[sudden plover]

Also no one reacts to it when you learn it and team cherry is really good with those kinds of details

[opal totem]

First time losing mask

To a fucking bee

Why are they so tanky

[sudden plover]

At least one person would comment on the choir coming from the tower

[clever furnace]

why do people hate watcher knights

top 10 boss in the game

and it's not 10th, 9th, or 8th

nor is it 6th, 5th, 4th, 3rd, or 2nd

[wide ledge]

just lying for no reason...

smh...

[broken plover]

||I was expecting Seer's ascension to be some "OoooOoooo im a higher being now oOoOoooooOo" not a "change da world, my final message, Goodbye" style ascenion ||

[unreal hedge]

ok so it's 7th

you should rank the individual watcher knights though

[opal totem]

The dead one is the best one

[clever furnace]

hornet sentinel is 7th

[glad stratus]

divine clutch holy shit

[unreal hedge]

more proof for my theory that Hornet Sentinel is Watcher Knight

(Hornet Protector is Silksong)

[clever furnace]

okay but why the hate though

everyone seems to hate watcher knights despite them being fun

[opal totem]

I don't hate them but I don't think they're fun either

They're just mid overall

[unreal hedge]

tbh they were just effectively free healing in my All Bindings runs lol

[wide ledge]

I dislike the bosses I die alot to

that's why LL is in my bottom 2

[opal totem]

How many playthroughs does it take to memorize pollip heart locations

Every single playthrough I'm missing one

[mental shuttle]

This is a weird one for me
If I die alot to a boss thats fair it becomes my favourite
If I die alot to a boss thats unfair its gonna go to the bottom

I think because I feel better when I can learn a difficult boss rather than just having to luck my way throigh

I should redo my tier list

[wide ledge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1395918127811788963/1420189179802816602/morgan-freeman-true-ezgif.com-resize.gif

on my playthrough I said that one of my favorite bosses was last judge even though her ass was beating my ass HARD

[opal totem]

I wish phantom beat my ass

I think I ever died to her twice, once because I lost 4 out of 5 hp to the steam on the way to her

Widow down

Decided to use flintslate for once

[distant holly]

completed the true ending

||radience is dead :slugwoke||

||not very clear if it's dream no more or embrace the void, there were both the knight and the shade lord||

[wide ledge]

it's said that it's EtV cuz the knight fuses with the void in there

and not in

drea

[distant holly]

wait i just realized ||gms gave silk to hornet at the end ||

[distant holly]

the knight returns to the void in dream no more too

[wide ledge]

riight

idk I hate hollow knight lore

[distant holly]

i think it's fine that it's ambiguous

[clever furnace]

makes it so that there isn't a one true ending

[distant holly]

||the main thing is that radiance is dead||

[clever furnace]

which is good in some ways

[distant holly]

which is true for both endings

[clever furnace]

||you don't have to spoiler stuff anymore||

||and besides everyone here have already played hollow knight||

[distant holly]

i want to spoiler it since it's the very end

[clever furnace]

i wonder what is the state of Hallownest is during silksong

[wide ledge]

under the ground probably

[clever furnace]

Hornet called it a dying kingdom, but if it was due to infection, that has been taken care of

[clever furnace]

@opaque shard your comedian position is getting stolen

[distant holly]

||really, both dnm and etv endings are about defeating infection, just different ways. so the hollow knight ended well canonically either way, sealed siblings and hollow knight (ending) can't be canon anymore||

[wide ledge]

hollow knight isn't canon??? 😰😰

[opal totem]

Hollow knight is

Silksong isn't

It's an official AU

[distant holly]

also it means the knight can't be hollow

[sudden plover]

With (act 3 ending) ||THK not being seen as a shade in skongs ending and shade Lord being seen, it's likely EtV||

[distant holly]

||in both endings the knight becomes attached to hornet, and has will.||

[distant holly]

the hollow knight can be behind though

[sudden plover]

||yes but in only one ending does shadelord show up and in only one ending does the hollow knight survive, EtV||

[clever furnace]

maybe it just didn't care about hornet

who knows what shade business THK has

the void OCEAN is big

have to refrain from calling it a sea

[wide ledge]

hollow knight edgy as hell

[clever furnace]

for all we know, it was out of frame, looking at Lace

[sudden plover]

THK be eating void pebbles

[wide ledge]

a hollow knight made of void that dreams forever? tough

[distant holly]

||in etv the knight becomes shade lord but here it's only for a brief moment. maybe the knight was always shade lord anyway. godhome doesn't really give new powers, only give more focus||

[sudden plover]

I now imagine shade THK trying to convince the other vessels that PK isn't an asshole

[opal totem]

Maybe the real shade lord was friends we made along the way

[unreal hedge]

ah yes, void given focus

[clever furnace]

imagine convincing your abandoned siblings that your dad is actually cool cause he glanced at you once

[sudden plover]

Yes, and that focus is required to become shade Lord, as shade Lord is called "void given focus" canonically

[distant holly]

also maybe thk chose the small form, the void can shapeshift

[sudden plover]

He likely did much more if THK loved him

[clever furnace]

doubt that

he did have to make sure THK stays hollow, after all

[sudden plover]

You gotta do a lot to get a truly hollow being to love you

[wide ledge]

why did pale king even made the path of pain to guard that memory?

smh

[clever furnace]

and if he did more, why would POP only guard one moment, and not be a walk down memory lane

[distant holly]

yeah, so it could be argued ||there is not enough focus for the knight to become shade lord for more than a brief moment; OR the shade lord can become the knight at will. i see how either ending could work||

[sudden plover]

He wanted to hide the straw that broke the camels back

[clever furnace]

what if the knight in SotV only flashed shadelord form for brief moments because it got caught up in consuming short form content and now it's attention span is too bad for pure focus

[distant holly]

real

void tiktok

[clever furnace]

sounds probable doesn't it

[distant holly]

regret and shame

[sudden plover]

Life goals

[opal totem]

He ordered too many saws

[clever furnace]

i wonder how weaver heads actually look like

[sudden plover]

Prolly whatever the fuck widow has

[distant holly]

hornet learning that the mother's family side is way worse

[clever furnace]

likely

[sudden plover]

That skinny ass head

[opal totem]

Look at widow or Herrah

[sudden plover]

Imo pale king is a good king

[sudden plover]

Herrah wears a robe or smth

[clever furnace]

can Hornet be considered physically disabled in weaver terms since her pk heritage caused her to lack 4 eyes and a couple limbs

[sudden plover]

Probably

[clever furnace]

though maybe she doesn't lack eyes, and her mask has only two eyeholes just to make her look more similar to the more royal side of her family

[distant holly]

i wonder if hornet meant the vessels when told lace that it's life despite the way of creation

like who else

[wide ledge]

does hornet wear a mask

[clever furnace]

her mask is designed like that to make her Pale-passing omfg

[clever furnace]

doesn't every bug?

[distant holly]

no

[clever furnace]

what else could she be talking about

[distant holly]

baby hornet has the same face, i don't think the mask can grow

[clever furnace]

she was probably buddy-buddies with THK (to whatever capacity PK allowed them to be buddies) AND the knight

she knows how alive the "liveless" things are

i think

[distant holly]

hornet saw the knight as just a ghost back in greenpath

[clever furnace]

you know how the shirt you wore at 4 probably wouldn't fit you nowadays?

[opal totem]

The shirt grows with you

[distant holly]

but trusted with own life during the fight with thk

[clever furnace]

for being so old, she bonds with silent, seemingly emotionless beings ridiculously fast

[distant holly]

real

[clever furnace]

that's one stretchy shirt

[distant holly]

also not aging almost or at all is probably pale being thing

[clever furnace]

tbf the only bugs that seem to be aging normally are elderbug

and

idk

[distant holly]

phantom is stupid i guess

[clever furnace]

why

she's very smart

[distant holly]

why they aged

[clever furnace]

you know how being near fumes is generally bad?

[distant holly]

actually the only god or half god who did 💔

[clever furnace]

thk

[distant holly]

thk grew but isn't old

[clever furnace]

yeah cuz it was sealed

[distant holly]

it's probably due to training rather than age

[clever furnace]

give it a couple more eldergbug lifetimes and it's posture would worsen even more

[distant holly]

the knight is around the same age

as thk

[clever furnace]

i assumed it's due to being impure and having emotions

though now that i think about it, tk also has them

and doesn't age

though that's because their memory was wiped

[distant holly]

all void beings are

that's the main twist

[clever furnace]

and they didn't really bond with anyone until HK

[distant holly]

they all aren't emotionless

or mindless

[clever furnace]

i like to think that the knight left spearmaster-like doodles in the wastelands beyond Hallownest

[distant holly]

the collector is literally pure void

all void beings shown to not be hollow

[clever furnace]

bbut it's called the HOLLOW knight

surely it was hollow!

[wide ledge]

pale king doing jackshit to check if they were hollow or not

the first one to win this parkour challenge gets to have a childhood

[distant holly]

i just think it's funny how many just believe that surely the knight can keep the radiance

void heart directly mentions will

[clever furnace]

why is the knight's focus healing it, but THK's focus is an attack

[distant holly]

i think it's a choice

like the binding

[wide ledge]

he got rune rage on

it

sorry gang im not woke

[distant holly]

even hornet can bind not for healing

[clever furnace]

true

but hornet isn't a vessel

also I'd much prefer rune rage over that healing system

especially when trying to radiant bosses

[distant holly]

the knight also focuses to absorb radiance and dreamers

[clever furnace]

the knight is sorta like a black hole and radiance is like a large star

black hole so small that the star somehow overwhelms it (most likely) in two endings

[distant holly]

i just think pv chose to use focus for attack

[clever furnace]

is Hornet tall

just like the knight, she's shorter than most bugs around her

[distant holly]

radiance can still influence their mind, the mistake was to not use void's real potential

[clever furnace]

pale king's got strong genes eh

[distant holly]

yeah lol

[clever furnace]

imo hornet's eyes should be on the tips of her horns

someone should make that into a picture

i can imagine it but I'm lazy

[clever furnace]

it would make more sense

she'd be aware of her full height

[distant holly]

but actually isn't it funny? "yeah there's pure void with mind, will, and voice"

[clever furnace]

actually shades too have a voice

or their movement is surprisingly loud

[wide ledge]

damn wait

FUCK

[distant holly]

pale king got it completely wrong 💔

[wide ledge]

i hate you mspaint

[clever furnace]

amazing

this is what i wanted to see

[glad stratus]

Well now I gotta draw this

[clever furnace]

why isn't there a frozen beastfly that stuns you on contact for just long enough to attack you again without giving you a chance to dodge unless you have cross stitch equipped

[opal totem]

Second beastfly already does that with the lack of floor

[sudden plover]

Hot take

Beastfly was fun

[wide ledge]

burning take

[glad stratus]

Sheehaw brother

It's 4am I haven't slept yet what am I talking about 💔

[distant holly]

true ending ||lost lace was pretty fun fight actually. though, despite speed and double damage wasn’t really hard somehow ||. kinda symbolic that the hunter crest seemed the best for this fight with the diagonal pogo

it’s actually easier to reach with it since it’s basically a dash + attack

[wide ledge]

in my first playthrough i went the entire game with reaper

its peak .

i struggled ass hard with LL i tried switching crests and it made me 20 thousand times worse

[opal totem]

Reaper smells

I used it for about 1/3 of the first playthrough

[wide ledge]

Reaper Peak s.

[opal totem]

At least it's better than beast

[wide ledge]

city of tears ost is insanely beautiful makes me want to retire my dreams of making games

[opal totem]

Found Lace in SR

[quiet sentinel]

tbh both hk games have raised the bar so high for action platformers / metroidvanias its kinda nuts

like im working on my own metroidvania but its so scary knowing that those 2 titles exist and kinda set a precedent for people

ive seen the same kinda thing happen with crowsborn or whatever it was called

even nine sols

hk community is so big and quick at calling things hk clones

[opal totem]

Nine sols is anything but hk clone

Even sekiro clone would be more accurate

[quiet sentinel]

literally

(its still very peak though i did 100% of it)

[distant holly]

haiku the robot is lowkey almost a clone, but it's a good game

[wide ledge]

rename metroidvanias to hollowlikes ❤️❤️

[distant holly]

the hollow knight 3

[wide ledge]

zotesoul coming out in 2040

[distant holly]

as teased by mr musroom

[distant holly]

how would mr mushroom be summoned in hk 3

[opal totem]

With the gardening minigame

[quiet sentinel]

can they just add fishing to silksong already

[wide ledge]

true...

[opal totem]

Should've been one of flea games

Instead they decided to delete Varga

[opaque shard]

What????

[broken plover]

The Real reason hornet takes double damage from everything is because shes overcharmed

[opal totem]

It's just because she's not void

[quiet sentinel]

hornet is void

[opal totem]

Yoy are void

[clever furnace]

Wait what -Wren

[clever furnace]

She has a bigger hitbox -Wren

[oak swift]

Hornet isnt void smh smh

Shes obviously Root!

[quiet sentinel]

hornet is void

[oak swift]

Wrong

Hornet is Groot!

[unreal hedge]

Hornet isn't real until Silksong releases

let's wait until it does release

[oak swift]

You stupid? No!

Hornet is real! Silksong is out!

[clever furnace]

Some people are really delusional -Wren

[sudden plover]

She's like

REALLY REALLY old

Her writing on Shakra states that the time Shakra has lived so far is only a fraction of the time hornet has lived.

She also states in her writing for giant conch flies says she has had multiple mates in her lifetime, all of them dying of old age due to her immortality

[clever furnace]

I wish silksong was out -Wren

[oak swift]

ITS REAL, I'VE PLAYED IT!!

[clever furnace]

Oh thats so sad
I feel like hornet would be bi -Wren

[oak swift]

She has dated a lot of people, the reason she isnt with any of them is because they all died of old age

[clever furnace]

She gives off those vibes -Wren

[sudden plover]

There's no way that in all that time she wasn't at least curious

[oak swift]

Ehhh, no idea

Whoever she dated, all of them had to have been at least slightly fluffy

I think thats her main and only criteria

[clever furnace]

Yeah lol -Wren

[sudden plover]

Oh that's 100% a requirement

I find it funny that hornet is literally useless without weapons

[oak swift]

Ey, some people are really adamant about the people they like, regardless of time or thought, who knows

[sudden plover]

Why does hornet hate flies so much

[oak swift]

They stink, are a menace to society, and are not fluffy

They also kidnapped her and stole her shit if you get jailed

[oak swift]

Imo, a big factor is that she also is royalty, so she probably is more snobbish about appearance, smells, and the like, which the flies are obviously not lol

[mellow sigil]

nah I dont think shes like that
she was born in a hole of spiders and raised in a hive (which are all workers)
and like. Is completely normal with pilgrims which I doubt are all that clean

she probably hates flies because they serve the jai

l

[oak swift]

The weavers themselves are royalty or at least originated from it

She still hates the flies even if she wasnt jailed, she just despises them

[mellow sigil]

they're higher beings but they dont live like royalty

[oak swift]

Weavers themselves arent inherently higher beings

They were ascended to use pale silk from GMS, but themselves arent higher

It was why Herrah talked to baby hornet and was like "Hey, dont be like your dad and seek power or worship, you'll be following the same trap he has"

Pale beings inherently seeked worship and power, which is why its a big point in Hornet's char

But I do understand the point your making, I still think her at least coming from a position like that makes her dislike flies more

[misty isle]

Weavers were also worshipped in Pharloom, given all the prayers and statues and holy weaver stuff

[mellow sigil]

well
either way I still dont see any circumstances in which,,, Hornet couldve been raised to be snobbish and such

[oak swift]

They were worshipped but didnt do it actively im fairly certain

I think the pilgrims were just that culty

[oak swift]

Fair enough tbh

[mellow sigil]

maybe if she was raised and lived most of the time in the palace

[oak swift]

I still think she has a little snobbishness, like the whole "refer to me as my title only" and such, but yeah

She aint as bad as the people in the city of tears lol

[oak swift]

If she lived in the palace the only thing in her moveset is gonna be saws

Her father would have made her the perfect saw

No circle too great, no saw too fast

[mellow sigil]

she literally only says that to the guy she hates because he's extremely weird around her

I suppose she recognises that she is a
bit of a royal descendant and she can POTENTIALLY use that to be all high and mighty towards people
but she choses not to most of the time

[oak swift]

Child wielding nail!

Yeah that makes sense

[oak swift]

Also her pale status would definitely make the snobbishness a bit worse

She is basically like that in the beginning of the game though

"Im only helping you out of necessity, dont think of it as good graces"

And stuff like that

[mellow sigil]

hahahah thats not snobbishness she just
doesn't wants to admit that shes kind, helpful and cares I suppose?
I dont remember that specific line, but theres another instance where she says that "maybe Im just using that as a tactical advantage" (rephrasing)
and its so hilariously obvious shes just shielding herself😭

Im not nice Its a tactical advantage!!!!!!!!!

[oak swift]

Well, if we go with the first ending, she very much wouldnt care as much though?

The way I saw it was that she slowly started to care more and more which results in the true ending of act 2, she would only start doing that if she started to like the people

You'd get the first ending if you mostly didnt help everyone and only binded yourself to GMS, you can actively skip everyone important

[mellow sigil]

I got the first ending while having helped everyone
I just didnt consider going to caretaker .......

[oak swift]

She probably does start caring more if you do the true ending or ending 1 after already making the trap, but she very much wouldnt care as much if you speed through the game

[clever furnace]

I LOVE STEEL SOUL I LOVE STEEL SOUL I LOV

[oak swift]

Thats fair

[mellow sigil]

and than I did. Ofc
I even thought you have to get the first ending first

[clever furnace]

chat guess what time it is ‼️

[oak swift]

Nah, first ending is technically the neutral ending, okay if you make sure everyone around you is alright, but if you speed through the game you just became GMS 2.0

[opal totem]

Time to lose steel soul to the easiest boss

[mellow sigil]

there was a person with microbes in their name typing

where are you

microbes

no I lost my train of thought because of microbes

[clever furnace]

she's a spider, what do spiders hunt

[oak swift]

Anything basically tbh

[clever furnace]

but also flies

mostly flies in my experience

[mellow sigil]

yeah and Hornet doesn't hunt flies solely either

[oak swift]

Yes but they also eat anything

[oak swift]

Depends on regions

Our region they hunt roaches

[clever furnace]

maybe i just had a fly infestation

if that's a thing

[mellow sigil]

I mean she probably doesn't at all. Has she met this specific type of flies before???

[clever furnace]

she met the abyss bugs before (the creepy crawlers) yet you still have to kill a number of those for the full description

i reckon we should still spoiler the existence of abyss and the void lake

[clever furnace]

does she even hunt at all

she doesn't seem to need sustenance, and is she really a person to hunt for sport?

[oak swift]

She hunts for sport, she doesnt need food

[mellow sigil]

I feel like
she always cares about bugs deep within her
but theres just the part of the weaver that. Doesn't necessarily MAKES her seek power, but she thinks is part of her? And maybe feel like she has to follow without realising she has another choice (up until another act 2 ending I suppose)

[oak swift]

Its not the weaver part, its the Wyrm part that makes her seek power, just like her father has

Its one of the reasons why she doesnt like him that much, since his pale side is what Herrah taught her to not like that much

(We see it in the red memory)

[mellow sigil]

awh

I dont know any hk lore

[oak swift]

Pale being are the ones that seek worship and power

Its why the Pale king was a king, its why Grand Mother Silk made a kingdom

Its why the Radient back in HK hated the pale king so much, he technically took her followers

Pale beings are the ones connected to the everbloom

[mellow sigil]

I dont really like the idea that a sentient being can have an inherit will or
idk
strive to do something in general tbh
specially of something that specific I suppose????? its just a personal preference though

[oak swift]

Act 1 and 2 is meant for Hornet to suppress her desire to steal power and followers from GMS, Act 3 is to remedy her mistake

[oak swift]

We all have an inherent thing in us, its what instincts are

A pale beings instinct is to be worshipped

[clever furnace]

Never date a pale being, they are such narcisists -Wren

[oak swift]

LITERALLY

Though the Pale King was an exception because he just wanted to have a good kingdom

Which was the exception, not the norm with pale beings

[mellow sigil]

we dont have anything inherit to us in that sense
at least I cant think of it? what is there inherit to people
desire for community maybe??? and closure to people??.... but even that is so diverse

[clever furnace]

The Pale King was actually kind of good -Wren

I wonder why the bell beast attacks you when freeing her, but then immediately gets a change of heart after beating the crap out of her

[mellow sigil]

I want society but society to me is my friend and maybe another person
thats quite enough

[clever furnace]

He tried his best -Wren

[oak swift]

We have a lot of inherent traits in us

Our greed, our ability to be compassionate to each other, our desire to live are all inherent

Yes, those instincts can be suppressed, but it can be for animals as well

Just like how its being suppressed for hornet

[clever furnace]

Bell Beast? -Wren

yea bell

got mixed up with the talk

[clever furnace]

You rid her of the thread, the thread was making her controled to attack you -Wren

[mellow sigil]

uuuughhhhhhh I hate the "greed is inherit to people" idea with ny whole heart
where is this even coming from????
noone is inherently greed, we either: are put in system where we have to be greedy to survive OR because there is like
a thing thats being framed by the system as something thats inherently the most valuable

how can you be inherently greedy ????

[oak swift]

Greed is a general term

But our desire to have something of our own is part of us

People just call it greed

[mellow sigil]

its just the same thing like
it reminds me of when people blame capitalism for various problems but
than think that it exists in the first place just because people are like that
not because its a system that grew into our society over centuries

[oak swift]

Bandwagoning and our desire to fit in is also an instinct

[mellow sigil]

people dont have instincts......

[oak swift]

Its a system we are in but systems and mechanisms are built with human intention and mind, societies represent human instincts a lot

[clever furnace]

We do, all animals do -Wren

[oak swift]

The social structure we are born in plays a part, but they often are a big aspect of our instincts, its just that throughout times they are shown differently

The desire for structure is what allowed us to even have societies in the first place

Our desire for compassion is what allowed us to work with each other

[clever furnace]

you can't just decide to not live overnight, survival is one of our primal instincts as an example, whether you actually like living or not

[oak swift]

Survival is thee instinct in us, its why the brain wont allow us to think of things like death easily, its why its such a huge philosophical topic

Our brains literally dont want us to think of that stuff

[mellow sigil]

we're only similar to animals because of our inner biological system
literally the thing that differs us from animals the most is our intelligence and thats what like. Desrupts the idea of instinct in on itself. Even if you have some inherit desire within yourself or something you can control it
animals dont control instics

[oak swift]

You can even see studies of how babies function

They have so many instincts out the gate its insane

[clever furnace]

not even intelligence separates us from animals
there's various species of birds that are very intelligent

[oak swift]

babies have swimming instincts that are lost after 2 years, babies also have a basic moral compass of whats right and wrong

[clever furnace]

We are animals
We just evolved to well and broke the system -Wren

[oak swift]

This is also true, its not our intelligence, its ironically our ability to make social groups

We were a weaker species compared to neanderthals, but we stayed in groups and worked together

Thats how humans prevailed and they didnt

[clever furnace]

We just also had apposable thumbs -Wren

most primates have those, they're useful for climbing

[oak swift]

That is also a big factor

Our instincts is what helped us learn how to use it, babies have a grip they learn through instincts to hold onto things with their thumbs!

[mellow sigil]

I dont mean literally that we're smarter....... and birds arent Just intelligent
some birds just posses a more complex ability to learn, apply their knowledge in practice and be creative, thats an entirely different thing from what Im talking about

[clever furnace]

We are smart and have apposeable thumbs
Unstoppable combo -Wren

[oak swift]

If that was the case every person would learn things slightly differently from each other

But for each person when they are born there are always things they learn inherently via instincts that are basically the same

Its why we are so good at helping out babies! All babies have specific instincts they watch out for, if they dont do certain things they're at risk!

We have studies on instincts if you want to see them, instincts are part of us just as much as they are part of any animal

[mellow sigil]

people do learn things differently from each other????? and a lot of babies learn in different paces and ways? that just sounds like ... youre forgetting about the existence of neurodivergent and autistic people

and dont say that thats because they're like
innormal or something

[oak swift]

They do learn differently, but there are things everyone learns thats the exact same

Certain things that a person wouldnt typically learn that everyone inherently knows

There are exceptions but they are just that, exceptions

[oak swift]

Its not that they arent normal, people experience things differently in many ways, but there are certain traits that are shared by a looooot of people that cant be explained by them just learning

[mellow sigil]

but thats not because if an inherit human instinct
thats because people are put in an environment where they like. Surrounded enough by things to learn them
its because we live in our society, not because thats instintcual
by your logic a baby would have learnt to walk on twos even if it was put in a wolf den
but it wouldn't learn to walk on twos if it will be put in a wofl den, it will walk on fours

[oak swift]

Why? Why would it not be inherent? I still dont really understand your point

People learn different things yes, with things being affected by societal changes, but there are things between societies that we all experienced that cant be explained by societal changes

Yes, people learn different things, people can suppress certain traits, but the fact that we all have common aspects to each other shows how certain things are inherent to us

We should prolly move topics, I dont think were gonna change either of our minds anyhow

[mellow sigil]

which ones are that I wonder

[clever furnace]

Babies eat, that is an instinct -Falena

[mellow sigil]

thats the most silly example, they literally would die if you dont feed them

[oak swift]

I have explained before on which ones they are

Our ability to socialize with each other, our ability to show compassion, hell our abilities to breath as a baby is something we are born to do, with babies not being able to breath showing signs of health issues that need to be dealt with IMMEDIATELY

[oak swift]

Thats not silly? Thats a great example of instincts

You cant just dismiss evidence because it seems silly

But yeah, lets move on from the topic

[mellow sigil]

we breath because our lungs move???? mechanically???? and noone has an inherit ability to socialise
some people dont have an ability to show compassion EVEN if they feel compassionately
people wouldnt have had an ability to do any of that if they were raised in different environments

like literally maugly kids are a good example

[oak swift]

Like I said, move on from the topic, we explained our points and we have shown our reasoning, if you dont want to accept that, thats fine, but we move on

[mellow sigil]

they just inherit traits from the dogs they were raised by

[clever furnace]

Was a fun conversation though! -Falena

Kinda random to have in silksong discussion though lol -Falena

[mellow sigil]

no it wasnt

[full vale]

oh no what happened

[clever furnace]

Alot lol -Falena

[oak swift]

I found it to be a fun topic, things such as how we interact with each other and how humans socialize is always an interesting thing to talk about, there are disagreements but we have our own points

[full vale]

which means I'll read all of it

[oak swift]

Whether you think humans have instincts or not, , lets move on though

[mellow sigil]

its much more interesting for those things to be developed by us as a society than just. Be a thing we are born with

[oak swift]

Please move on

[clever furnace]

Who else was suprised about soul being in silksong? -Falena

[mellow sigil]

Im just replying to what youre saying?

[oak swift]

I saw it as a conversation being continued, my bad

[mellow sigil]

my English deteriorates when im nervous

[oak swift]

Ehh, its related the pale beings

Not suprised, I am suprised it wasnt expanded on more though

[clever furnace]

We went a little cray cray when we saw groal use that soul attack -Falena

[clever furnace]

it is indeed pretty scary when a mod says you to stop I can relate

[oak swift]

IT WAS SUCH GOOD FORSHADOWING!@!!!

[full vale]

well this was peak

[clever furnace]

Yeah!!! -Falena

[clever furnace]

I had no idea they were a mod -Falena

[unreal hedge]

Proceed.

[oak swift]

NO

NO NO NO

[clever furnace]

wanderer time, again

[unreal hedge]

Proceed.

[oak swift]

I dont act like it, but yes Im a mod

[oak swift]

[clever furnace]

We are also just stupid lol -Falena

[unreal hedge]

❤️ Proceed.

[oak swift]

🕸️

[mellow sigil]

no I was nervous because I hate the
(previously discussed) idea
but whatever I am going away now (for real)

[clever furnace]

wanderer obtained

[oak swift]

Hell yeah!

Wanderer best crest

[unreal hedge]

anyway they should add a third active volcano escape sequence

[oak swift]

Act 4

[unreal hedge]

second to architect

actually iirc the architect charge was nerfed and I didn't test it yet

[clever furnace]

wonder why hornet doesn't attack faster with other crests, is she stupid?

[oak swift]

Architect is amazing as well

I find it a bit boring tho :(

[oak swift]

Different sty- yap yap yap

She oopid

[unreal hedge]

On the contrary, the way I use tools makes me strategise a bunch with many different choices depending on situation

3 tool slots is zeeljod

[clever furnace]

tools overrated

needle + silk skill only is where it's at

[tawdry osprey]

sorry cant hear you from my poison tacks oneshotting bosses

[oak swift]

Fair fair, I mostly used cogflies and a few other funny things and it made it more boring, but it is the most build a bear crest so I see why its fun

Also mid game I have to sell organs just to be able to afford the damn tools!

[clever furnace]

boooring
sit back and let the boss die of stoopid, I rather watch a let's play over that 😪

[oak swift]

Biggest issue with the tool system imo

On tools though, weaver variant silkshot is my favorite tool hands down

I used it for my steel heart/speed completion, its amazing

[tawdry osprey]

but funny

[clever furnace]

hornet with gun will never not be funny

[tawdry osprey]

yes hornet with a gun is the best thing ever

[oak swift]

It literally completes the biggest issue I had with certain bosses and is a beautiful arsenal to my playstylw

And fighting the deer boss in verdania was stupid easy with it, literally deer hunting

[tawdry osprey]

oh no

how mmuch damage does it do compared to 1 single slash attack? is that known now?

[oak swift]

I was genuinely in shock when I got it LOL

My friends got the architect version and I was like "oh, in mount fay theres that one bench at the top that talked about a weaver weapon" so I went there

[oak swift]

34 damage