Silksong Discussion (soiler warning)

[quiet sentinel]

useful info

[quiet sentinel]

is it just me or did ||moorwing|| use to multihit the spinning blades

[digital robin]

||Yea you need to use 17/20 to get everything||

[opal totem]

Yeah I think that was a part of the nerf

[quiet sentinel]

cool

[opal totem]

I think you can still hear some multihit sounds on nerfed attacks that now do one damage

[quiet sentinel]

honestly after having dealt with ||act III|| all of the other stuff feels so much slower

[quiet sentinel]

yea thats what was happening

[digital robin]

Btw @atomic lintel how do you skip ||Sister spliter with Challenge button|| exactly? You mention it was possible a while ago but didn't say anything more

[atomic lintel]

here

[digital robin]

Useless trick since she is super easy, but cool to know I guess

[atomic lintel]

saves you some time

shrug

its not difficult to do

[digital robin]

Yea, I imagine speedruns will adopt it

also good for the Pacifist challenge

[weary stag]

Team Cherry went out of their way to nerf the easiest bosses and ||HH arena remains strong||

[quiet sentinel]

||last judge|| was an easy radiant wow

i was expecting to struggle

[queen trench]

HELL YEAH! I DID IT! I FINALLY DID IT!

[quiet sentinel]

me when i do improvement

[quiet sentinel]

what's this, i dont remember seeing that

[weary stag]

||there’s godhome in Silksong???????||

[quiet sentinel]

no

[queen trench]

white defender fifth stage

deals 5 damage

[quiet sentinel]

oh hk content

[queen trench]

yeah

[quiet sentinel]

why are you posting hk content in the silksong thread thats just confusing

[queen trench]

... is there a hk thread then?

[quiet sentinel]

yes, its called #offtopic-agenderal

[atomic lintel]

already did, thats where i found out about it

[quiet sentinel]

It's a mod named ||godhome||

Basically changes flags in the game and allows you to re-fight bosses - I'm doing a rule where I can't get hit, essentially radianting them

I'm training for steel soul :3

[digital robin]

Claws adquired

[quiet sentinel]

here's the current progress

[weary stag]

||I have defeated almost every boss and want to refight them so thank you very much||

[quiet sentinel]

im making sure to also keep abilities seperate cause otherwise itd be unfair in a steel soul scenario

[quiet sentinel]

Np! If you have any issues installing just give me a ping :) But the installation process is super simple, it's just bepinex

Make sure to back up the save as well, since it does mess with flags

I just copied and renamed my save to slot 4

[digital robin]

||You need a map to start the Steel Soul quest|| XD

[icy basin]

how tf did you fight ||moorwing|| AFTER ||widow and sister splinter||

[opal totem]

Fleas

[icy basin]

ah

[atomic lintel]

||https://youtu.be/NfjRACL4Ezs?si=glNcFgmlcOIqP8in|| (some area and enemy spoilers) new tech just dropped

[icy basin]

yea i used that for my speedrun save file

actualy nvm i just watched the video

||the "pass through enemy" that i did was literally just clawline||

[tawdry osprey]

What you doing on this situation

[icy basin]

||calm down and tell a trusted adult||

[tawdry osprey]

I spoilered the image right

[icy basin]

yea

[tawdry osprey]

Phone doesn’t show me

[dim harbor]

is there somethign actuallly here?

[mellow sigil]

what in the world, I ||killed second savage beastfly|| so much faster than I thought???

ITS BECAUSE ||ARCHITECT'S CREST IS THE BEST CREST EVAH||

[queen trench]

I finally got menderbug (still playing hollow knight with keyboard because my controller is broken)

[mellow sigil]

I FINALLY HAVE 9 MASKS

[blissful obsidian]

why dont ||pill and tiff|| do the deliveries smh

why are they making me do their jobs

🥀

[opal totem]

Finally, I can start using the map

[weary stag]

||did you skip something or is this something I’m not aware of||

||I spoil every message now||

||i evil||

[opal totem]

||It's there if you don't buy quill from Shakra||

[weary stag]

||poor||

[icy basin]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/cmc8aC9HLlU

[digital robin]

||Not yet! Wait until act 3 for the purple TORMENTED Quill||

[opal totem]

No I want a red one

[carmine crypt]

the music for ||karmelita|| is so good
if only the boss fight wasnt so unfun and tedious to learn

||lost lace|| should not have taken me less time to learn

than her

insane

[digital robin]

The fight is cool, at most you can criticize that it jumps a bit too suddenly so poggoing is dangerous (which a lot of enemies do)

[carmine crypt]

idk man i found it really stupid

did not have much fun trying to do it

[digital robin]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7AmT_p8Pcc||

[carmine crypt]

well no i beat it

im just saying i found it to be the hardest boss in the game

for no reason

at all

[digital robin]

And I just posted a 30 second showcase that it is not

[carmine crypt]

well yeah but anythings easy if you cheese it with traps

this proves nothing

[digital robin]

||Jokes aside, Karmelita is not too bad if you know how to dodge the 2 projectile attacks and just do 1/2 hits and go back to dodge (NKG style)||

[sudden plover]

Would pharloom survive 98 nuclear bomb?

[carmine crypt]

probably not lets drop them all on ||bilewater||

[sudden plover]

Also I recently witnessed ||the runback for last judge that everyone hates and... That's it? That's not even a minute. Hollow knight had much worse. Just look at hive knight!||

[carmine crypt]

the runback for ||last judge|| is genuinely such a breeze

deadass had it in my muscle memory after 2 runs

[sudden plover]

Yeah idk what everyone was talking about

[native turret]

yea I remembered after like 10 minutes of suffering with ||witch crest||, it is NOT good for pogo

[carmine crypt]

the runback for that one boss in ||bilewater|| however...

thats hell

[sudden plover]

I have not reached that area yet lol

[carmine crypt]

youre gonna hate it

[sudden plover]

Still in ||underworks (greedy fucks)||

[opaque shard]

ermm aksuali theres a hidden bench close to the boss

[sudden plover]

Are there ANY free benches here?

[opaque shard]

nope

[carmine crypt]

its not even that close to the boss though

[sudden plover]

Scam

[carmine crypt]

and theres so much ||maggot water|| on the way

[opaque shard]

2 km is better than 10 km

[carmine crypt]

still a stupid long distance

boss wasnt that bad

runback was

cause by the time id get to the boss id have a grand total of 3 masks and be ||maggot infested||

[digital robin]

||Unless you get promoted to upper managment... no. You need to pay for the wagie benches||

[opaque shard]

Mmm skill issue

[opaque shard]

I mean you can use those ||weird canal travel thingies|| to get to a free bench

[sudden plover]

Also bell beast is best boy

[digital robin]

||Yea but is NOT THERE (technically)||

also ||the upper-managment thing wasn't a joke. The architect (upper managment) gets one 100% free Bench XD||

[opaque shard]

yea i think UW is suppose to show how the citadels not that great lol

[digital robin]

It's pretty obvious yea

[sudden plover]

Also have y'all seen that one confessions spot?

[opaque shard]

Yeah it sucks lol

[sudden plover]

I feel so bad for these people

Like wdym I'm supposed to starve myself cuz of my sins?

[opaque shard]

Medieval age moment

[digital robin]

Reminder, this is "buissnes as usual" for the citadel.
||They probably lie to get pilgrims to try reach the citadel, see which ones are strong enought to not die in the climb, have the judges kill all the un-worthy ones (weak groups, and people with strong wills that can cause problems like Hornet) and then send them all down with the elevator to not see the light of day never again (unless they can indeed "ascend" and become true citizens somehow)||

[opaque shard]

I also listened to the ||psalm cylinder|| from WW today and God its messed up

[digital robin]

||That is probably when they "created" the WW boss (old conductor)||

||the current one hated his life and even then probably got the better deal out of any previous one by not having to deal with that LOL||

[opaque shard]

Lmao

[native turret]

[digital robin]

Congrats

[opaque shard]

I feel like hallownest is like a medieval country suffering from the black(orange) plauge while pharloom is britian in their good ol slavery days

[digital robin]

now talk to your bestie about what you just did with their journal

[opaque shard]

Yooo lets go- wait mine was 234

[native turret]

there are a bunch of optional ones

I know I didnt get at least one

[native turret]

gotta get out of the dark little place where I had the last 4 entries

[digital robin]

Hallownest is Britain when black plague. Pharloom is Britain when working as intended XD

[opaque shard]

lmao fr

[sudden plover]

Only thing I want genuine spoilers on:

SHERMA SURVIVES RIGHT!?

[opaque shard]

||yes||

Tho he Kinda.....||gets in trouble||

[sudden plover]

He*

[opaque shard]

I thought sherma sounded like a girl lol

[native turret]

important very late game question
is there a pride skin mod for these guys yet

[sudden plover]

Yeah his wiki page says male lol

[opaque shard]

Oh i see

He sounds like a 8yo girl lol

[opaque shard]

We need it fr

[native turret]

well one more ||memento|| left

[native turret]

what could this one be

[opaque shard]

Gay crawler

[native turret]

for a sec I had an idea but forgor

also I need help with these relics

and my last cylinder

[opaque shard]

Did you get the ||whiteward|| one?

[native turret]

probably not

or I dotn rembre

where is it?

I can recall every spot I sniffed in there

late act 2 soilers

[native turret]

gonan check it

[opaque shard]

Should be aroundbthere

[native turret]

oh also I have no idea where to look for more ||memory lockets||

I have two remaining

[opaque shard]

I think theres one in UW?

[native turret]

dont see anything here

[opaque shard]

Its behind a breakble wall

[opal totem]

What are the exact requirements for ||getting Shakra's wish?||

||I got all maps she can sell and it still doesn't appear||

[opaque shard]

No idea maybe you need to do all town quest?

[opal totem]

Nvm I'm missing one

[opaque shard]

Hmm i dont think all maps are necessary? In my other gameplay i didnt get ||captured so i dont have the slabs map|| but still her quest showed up

[opal totem]

||Slab map isn't from Shakra||

[opaque shard]

Oh you meant ones from her kk

Hmmm maybe send a photo of your map? Can help you

[digital robin]

||Slab is found in the enviroment for free||

[lusty trout]

didnt expect meeting them here

[unreal hedge]

learnt a new thing while going for steel soul + speedrun and quitting to check the time (mid act 1)
||if you rest in Haunted Bellhart, quit, and return, you'll actually be suspended mid-air by a thread when returning, like the pilgrims||

[opaque shard]

I think he also shows up in SW

[digital robin]

Hi ||Seth||

[opaque shard]

He looks naked without the fur lol

[digital haven]

wwwwwwhere

[digital haven]

this was the original design mr goldman made for him

fur was added on later in his development

[native turret]

so there gotta be a cylinder here but idk how to get it

[opaque shard]

Isnt it supposed to be just lying on the floor

[digital robin]

Yea, this is a easy one to find

[native turret]

is it?

oh

then what am I missing

[digital robin]

The WW maybe?

[opaque shard]

Talk to the ||vaultkeeper|| if one of thems isnt mentioning "surgeon" then its ||whiteward||

[lusty trout]

|| young hornet||

[native turret]

I bought everything from everyone

unless you dont mean ||wormways||

[opaque shard]

||whiteward||

Did you find the one there

[native turret]

I dont rembre

[opaque shard]

The WW one in its description mentions "surgeon"

[native turret]

man

[lusty trout]

||hallownest memories?||

[native turret]

yea I dont have it

but I searched the whole place...

[opaque shard]

Its behind a secret wall

[digital robin]

Btw people, have you seen the ||Poisonus Lifeblood|| combo?

[opaque shard]

Want me to pull up a guide lol

[opaque shard]

Yea lol

[native turret]

I will find it

I know what area to search cuz I recently found it so its possible I missed something there

[opaque shard]

I tried to ||overdose|| with it but they disappear pretty quickly lol

[lusty trout]

||HERRAH?||

||game please dont tell me i will have to do path of pain now||

[native turret]

my thoughts exactly lmao

[opaque shard]

||I thought i was gonna fight nkg there lol||

[lusty trout]

[native turret]

||flower quest go /silly||

[opaque shard]

Now you gotta play the rest of the game hitless

[opaque shard]

If you get hit youll be locked into the bad ending in which hornet fucking dies

[lusty trout]

there more || endings with flower?||

i got misinformation...

[opaque shard]

I thought it was obvious lol

[digital robin]

||I was so sad when Hornet dies and then Sherma gets voided||

[lusty trout]

i need last ||mask shard||

[opal totem]

Wait that wasn't ||from Shakra|| either

What then

[slim fjord]

Whaa

[opaque shard]

frfr

[digital robin]

||Verdania, Citadel, Slab and Ducts|| are not sold by her

[opal totem]

I know but what are reqs for her wish

[digital robin]

In theory all of her maps

All regions minus ||Verdania and Abyss|| are accesible in ||act 2||, get all maps

[opal totem]

All her maps or all maps?

[native turret]

how do I get this

hmmmnnng

[digital robin]

I think I didn't have ||Sands of Karak|| when she asked for. And probably not the final citadel subregion

So who knows

just get maps

[native turret]

I can figure this out

[opal totem]

Only ones I'm currently missing are ||citadel|| maps

I kinda need her to help me with ||high halls|| before I ever go there

[digital robin]

||Whos help do you need?|| XD

[opal totem]

Both

[native turret]

Im a genius

[opal totem]

||I know how to get Garmond's help with arena, I was told doing Shakra's wish makes her join you in HH and I want to see it||

[native turret]

oh nice ||a better version of salubra's blessing|| (small late game soilers)

[tawdry osprey]

Yeah

They made it actually good

[opal totem]

They made it sound good

Other than that isn't it the same

[lusty trout]

i need one last || mask shard||

also 2 last || spool fragments||

[tawdry osprey]

You wait 1/10 if the time compared to the other

[glad stratus]

Progress on ||mount fay:|| Got to checkpoint 3 (free) were making progress

[glad stratus]

I've also come to the fact that this is kinda fun

But I hate it as well

Deeply

[lusty trout]

[mellow sigil]

I finally got all the ||spool fragments and masks!|| guess Ill HAVE to progress the story now RIGHT....

OR I can do every possible quest in the whole world

[glad stratus]

YESSSS

[mellow sigil]

seems like ||Hornet actually
really REALLY likes furry bugs||

why.......

[glad stratus]

Someone please send me a map of ||mount fay|| how much longer do I need to do this shit

[mellow sigil]

its really cute though

[glad stratus]

Yeah this game gives her personality

[mellow sigil]

||wait why did I spoiler furry bugs||

I should spoiler that whole sentence

[mellow sigil]

its not that big trust

[glad stratus]

||NO I BROKE THE FUCKING LAMP SHIT ||

[mellow sigil]

||if you're at checkpoint 3 you're almost there||

||its the last section||

[glad stratus]

Thank god

[lusty trout]

i cant find || bug that upgrades nail ;-;||

[velvet trench]

Why do ppl say ||grandma silk|| is really easy this is quite hard

[glad stratus]

Look for a sign with 3 pins on it

[lusty trout]

||the shop is closed...||

[glad stratus]

Damn

Tragic

[lusty trout]

||and i know wher their shop is located ||

[mellow sigil]

||did Bellhart became haunted again ||

[lusty trout]

||act 3 stuff||

||but no||

[glad stratus]

I fucking did it...

Now time to get rid of ||claw maidens||

[mellow sigil]

||why does she likes fluffy bugs so much!!!!!!!!!||

[glad stratus]

Yes that's the only reason I got these things

[mellow sigil]

||"Im into fluffy bitches"||

||whoever was her partner must've been fluffy as well||

[glad stratus]

Real

||I'm sure hornet loves the fleas bro||

[velvet trench]

Woo got my first ||ending||

||68h 57m it was so close to 69 ||

[glad stratus]

Okay so ||cogwork core is just white palace||

[velvet trench]

I found it way easier tbh

||white palace took me like…20 hours? Cogwork only took me 4||

[glad stratus]

Silksongs ||white palace||

I really want to play as ghost in SS and vice versa

[velvet trench]

Ture

[mellow sigil]

||I second tried cogwork core it wasnt hard at all compared to white palace ||

although I dont remember how much time did white palace take me

[barren ingot]

omg... it's like ||bell|| from hit video game silksong

[tawdry osprey]

silksong pantheon design

[mellow sigil]

(very late act 2) ||grandmother silk reminded me of moon lord for some reason😭||

I got a neuron activation ||when I saw her||

[opaque shard]

Add 200 ||fat craw guys|| and itll be perfect

[lusty trout]

i beated || lost lace||

also || knight helping out hornet||

[opaque shard]

85% in 53 hours? Weak

[lusty trout]

thy end is now

[opaque shard]

Shudup scout from tf2 grrrr D:<

[lusty trout]

rebeated || trobbio||

[mellow sigil]

|| https://youtube.com/shorts/wO75hHvDkZA?si=snrS6rPvw9d0gNSb
"no spoilers" proceeds to film in songclave||

[icy basin]

well well well

do i have time to get the secret ending whilst on my 100% speedrun file

[opal totem]

Yeah

30h is pretty generous

I think I'll struggle more with 5h one

[opaque shard]

Yo just started steel soul and did bell beast hitless 😎

[icy basin]

yea lol

i think

hopefully

[grizzled spoke]

just beat ||cogwork dancers||, what was that

[queen trench]

I... I did it... wow... that was... something else (still hk)

[velvet trench]

The best fight in the game ofc 🔥

[queen trench]

it is a very fun fight yeah, so well telegraphed but still quick

...

that description also fits the fight I just had

[velvet trench]

NKG?

Thats one of my fav fights from hk ya

[mellow sigil]

||gay ROBOTS🔥||

[digital robin]

EVERYTHING is wrong with that boss XD

[barren ingot]

uhh title and thumbnail arent appropriate sorry 💥

[lyric geode]

||any tips for grandmother silk while cursed|| (I know I just need to get good but it's hard)

[digital robin]

||You can up-slash the horizontal needles if you reach them early on (you can also pass trough them, they don't hurt until they start moving)||

[lyric geode]

why would that help

[digital robin]

||Horizontal needles are one of the most dangerous attacks, knowing alternative ways to dodge them (up-slashing them move them so the ground becomes safe no matter what)||

make the fight a bit more consistent

what are you dying to usually: ||Horizontal spears, claw attack, coweb||?

[lyric geode]

||cobweb usually, the hitbox doesn't go away when the visuals do so I keep running into the first one while trying to dodge the second||

[digital robin]

||Hornet horns are not part of the hurtbox, try to be a bit higher (to prevent falling too quick)||

||also remember poggos onto silk are an option to keep your heigh/replenish double jump||

[lyric geode]

||I know it's something everyone experiences, but I really hate when she summons pins in the wall or off screen||

[void prawn]

||scuttle brace|| do be funny

[lyric geode]

I'm considering equipping ||fractured mask|| just so I can take an extra hit

[digital robin]

||yea... Sometimes you can kinda of see them for a second and have to predict where they will come from. Try to stay on the middle of the arena that way you can look at them if you need and focus on trying to react to them on time||

[digital robin]

||You are cursed, no tools for you||

[lyric geode]

oh fuck I forgor

I also take damage about once every 5 tries on the runback and that annoys me so much

||made it to second phase hitless and immediately took 4 hits||

[sudden plover]

Damn no tenor

[digital robin]

TENOR BLAST 💥

[weary stag]

||groal?||

[gray horizon]

hollow knight
TC always right!
silksong
TC never wrong!

[lyric geode]

first try trust

[slim fjord]

wait wait isnt that the ||Not Great Ending||

[lyric geode]

the only endings I've done aren't great

[slim fjord]

at least you got to the end

[quiet sentinel]

my friend is crazy

[wide ledge]

crazy

[gray horizon]

ok so is it spoilers if the thing isn't in the game, yet?

dumb question uh

||the steel assassins aren't in the game right?||

[weary stag]

||wow it’s so cool that they gave the final boss an undodgeable parry with no windup! I sure hope actually dodging said attack isn’t rng based!||

||genuinely lost lace sucks I hate this||

[foggy grotto]

||it's dodgeable||

[weary stag]

||If lace stays on the ground to counter it’s undodgeable from what I’ve done||

||it’s only dodgeable if she does the air counter||

[foggy grotto]

||jumping after hitting consistently dodges both||

[weary stag]

||might be a framerate thing because I’ve jumped the second I could and still got hit by the counter||

[foggy grotto]

idk what to tell you then

it was very forgiving for me

[weary stag]

||absolute radiance|| was more forgiving

[barren ingot]

definitely not a framerate thing unless your frame rate is extraordinarily low

[gray horizon]

||is seth in like act iii exclusively or something||

[barren ingot]

pretty sure that is the case

[gray horizon]

mk thx

[glad stratus]

fuck that

[hardy jolt]

damn you made em mad

[quiet sentinel]

radiant bossing going well

steel soul will be a walk in the park x3

[broken plover]

Bought the first game, New hyperfixation incoming

[quiet sentinel]

oh yea ||lace 2|| riposte is so much shorter

walking away just works lmao

[broken plover]

Ou yeah im totally addicted

[barren ingot]

100% complete now, nice

(and all of the ||mementos|| obtained as well)

[hardy jolt]

||shakra supposedly went in the room on the far right and didnt save the flea she is so evil|||

[hollow laurel]

i think i hate ||lost verdania|| more than ||bilewater||

[mental shuttle]

Its kinda poopoo yea

Love the visuals and music just the enemies are a pain

[hollow laurel]

||NO BENCHES BEFORE THAT AWFUL DEER||

[mental shuttle]

||no benches at all actually ❤️||

[hollow laurel]

exactly

[mental shuttle]

Dude im struggling am I missing smth

[quiet sentinel]

||seth is surprisingly difficult to hitless||

like i know his attacks i just keep trying to punish and messing up

especially phase 2

[glad stratus]

God I hate ||the great taste of pharloom|| quest

||"let's give players a timed quest but they can't take damage or use fast travel because Fuck them lmao"||

Will I ever get ||the oil to upgrade my needle||?

[wide ledge]

i really liked the quest

its err

fun if you go fast

you know

[glad stratus]

I'm not a speedrunner

And I take damage alot

[wide ledge]

not like you need to get in close combat with anything on the quest

maybe you do if you dont have the double jump

[glad stratus]

Also for some reason in this quest ramming into walls accidentally ||Takes durability away from the supplies and rashers|| which is so annoying

[wide ledge]

true

[glad stratus]

I would enjoy the quest if I didn't have to go from ||bellhart|| all the way to fucking ||songclave|| ON FOOT

Hella annoying

||supplies break? Walk AAAALLLLL the way back to bellhart||

[hardy jolt]

||are you fighting every enemy you pass by or something cus it is NOT that time restrictive and you can get hit like 3 times before the time actually starts to matter||

[glad stratus]

I keep ramming into walls

Which shortens the time

[hardy jolt]

||also after it breaks you're free to bellway back to bellhart||

[glad stratus]

And I take damage because enemies keep predicting my movement

And traps

So the time shortens. Alot

I'll just have to deal with the ||one upgrade for my needle||

[glad stratus]

Not like this part of the game is required or anything

[hollow laurel]

||bench warping also works||

[quiet sentinel]

noooooo

got hit once during last ||lace 2 || phase cause i got greedy for a 2nd hit

sniffles

[glad stratus]

And what exactly is that? Something unlocked in ||act 3||?

[hollow laurel]

no its save quiting

[glad stratus]

Oh

[hollow laurel]

puts you back to where you last benched

[glad stratus]

And there goes 256 rosaries

Fuckin ||blasted steps||

[quiet sentinel]

LMAO she did the same attack 5 times in a row (i clipped up to 4 and then she did it again right after, what are the odds of that)

[gray horizon]

ok the ||act iii double damage on every single enemy|| seems really unnecessary

[quiet sentinel]

dodge

[void prawn]

I don't even have the quest started I got it then walked away

[quiet sentinel]

i just redid ||lost lace to show someone what the ending was like and upon seeing it again i can confirm the dream no more ending from hollow knight is the canon sequel to silksong||

[hardy jolt]

||decided to try this tool out to see how good it was and i was expecting like 3 protects from muckmaggots but 13??? this thing is busted||

[quiet sentinel]

is it not based on a timer?

did you try submerging yourself into it and staying there, you're probably ticking down the timer bit by bit

[void prawn]

||pure vessel|| freaking annoying because I ditched HK for a while

[hardy jolt]

it is based on how long but who tf is swimming in the water without jumping out

[quiet sentinel]

bath :3

[glad stratus]

Wdym?

[void prawn]

I got that quest in silksong (if I'm thinking of the right one) just decided "eh I'll do it later"

[glad stratus]

Ah

[void prawn]

NO

I STARTED PV ASCENDED

[hardy jolt]

[quiet sentinel]

awooooo

arf wruff

[void prawn]

I beat ||pure vessel|| YIPPEE just a few more trys to get myself adjusted for ||pantheon 4|| and better I'm half asleep (HK)

[hardy jolt]

awwoooo :3

[void prawn]

But now

I sleep

[quiet sentinel]

its so weird watching the announcement trailer and seeing all the cut stuff and changes

[hardy jolt]

i hope it all comes back in different ways as dlc

[void prawn]

Grimm troupe dlc when

[quiet sentinel]

like why did they remove background stuff

[void prawn]

Zote return dlc when

[void prawn]

I cant tell if the first pic ever made it into the game or not

[hardy jolt]

||woah coral place looks entirely different ||

[quiet sentinel]

remember what they took from us ||pogoing off trap||

[void prawn]

Silksong tomorrow

[hardy jolt]

this is literally my exact setup wtf

[glad stratus]

Yeah the game looked so much cooler in the trailers

That's why I felt slightly disappointed with it on release

[quiet sentinel]

i think the game is stunning, literally do not understand how you can be disappointed in its hand drawn wonders

and the world connects sooo much better than hk, with slow transitions into each area over multiple screens and color gradings

[quiet sentinel]

waow :3

[void prawn]

I'm gonna beat ||pantheon 5||before returning to skong

[mental shuttle]

Its actually surprisingly easy

[mental shuttle]

Its not removed just blurred more

[glad stratus]

Yeah if you're good at the game

I'm ass

[mental shuttle]

Im not even good 💔

[glad stratus]

Id die to anything

[mental shuttle]

I thought it would be the hardest thing ever until I actually did it

You'll be surprised

[glad stratus]

Its mainly ||couriers rashers|| I have trouble with

[glad stratus]

It might sound surprising but getting from ||bellhart|| all the way to ||the citadel|| without getting hit at least 3 times is pretty challenging

[mental shuttle]

Theres a really good route to avoid enemies

[gentle cedar]

you can also pre-kill enemies

||think of it as the delicate flower quest, you either freeball it and just go no prep done or kill everything in your path and get back without benching||

[mental shuttle]

Its also way easier than flower quest to just freeball it

[hardy jolt]

||i thought they fixed the glitch with the lifeblood vial not working and taking ur shards but its still here ||

[mellow sigil]

(very end of act 2) I dont really want an outright answer (yet), but I wonder, ||to get into act 3 you probably need to do some other action after defeating Grand Mother Silk, right??||

||just like hollow knight:D||

||Weaver queen doesn't seem like a good ending at all||

oh wait I already found what to do

yayyy

[quiet sentinel]

sneezes

[mental shuttle]

????

What did she mean by this

[mellow sigil]

also btw ||Lace IS an actual child
thats probably ghe worst outcome for the history of Lace x Hornet shipping that happened while everyone was waiting for skong||

but I dont mind it ofc I didnt ship them before skong came out much anyway

[quiet sentinel]

im pretty sure the child is in reference to hornets age, hornet has been around since forever, its even stated in some hunter notes

to hornet lace is childish in nature

[mellow sigil]

||the Caretaker comments on Lace and says that she has a body of a child and a mind of a child||

(paraphrasing I already forgot the exact quote)

||well I suppose essentially shes just a silk lump and isnt
literally a child by the definition of a child
but shes a silk lump that taken a form of a child and thinks like a child||

for some reason

if I were a ||silk lump|| Id probably just stayed that way

[lusty trout]

Idk what || region i havent been but i dont have all maps ||

[quiet sentinel]

||lost verdania||?

one of the last ones i got

[mellow sigil]

one must imagine Pharloom citizens happy

[clever furnace]

How is the ||clover lovers fight ||so hard

[opaque shard]

Cuz theyre gay

[clever furnace]

Has anything changed from ||cogwork dancers||

I swear they’re faster

[opaque shard]

They also have the ||gay tornado|| attack

[digital robin]

||She is not a child. She is a man-child. The caretaker mentions that she has been in the Citadel for longer than anyone else (is super old like Hornet), the difference is that while we see Horent getting a fine education during the flower memory with multiple mentors teaching her how to be a good person and protector, Lace never had anyone other than GMS to relay on and she doesn't seem to be a good mom until his daughter is literally about to be melted into the void. Meaning she didn't have anyone to teach her how to beahave like an adult. You can argue that shipping someone with this "child-like" mentality is a bad thing, but with time now that she is free she should get better.||

[clever furnace]

Also what does ||those white circles that you have to catch and then a beam off screens happens even do ||

[opaque shard]

Uhh i think you have to get em to progress

[clever furnace]

I’m pretty sure I found one after ||unlocking the palace though ||

[digital robin]

||If you go to the center room where the palace is located I think you see Green on the edge of the memory saying "why can't I remember my city" or something along this lines, and you see the map cut short. I imagine getting the orbs (¿forgotten memories?) clears his mind and allows him to remember the important part (when Hornet beats his ass trough space and time)||

[mellow sigil]

||Oohhhh alright I didnt realise that:0 Thanks for explaining
Though didnt Caretaker also directly said that she has a body of a child as well? What does that mean
did she just never physically grew||

[clever furnace]

Can you find any ||after that though ||

[hardy jolt]

where are silksong patch notes written?

[opaque shard]

Wai did a update came out

[hardy jolt]

no jusst curious

[digital robin]

||Both Hornet and Lace are compared to a child (by Shakra and Caretaker) due to being eternally youth (Hornet due to being half a pale being, Lace probably due to being a Silk-being that unless damaged, like Phantom due to constantly working in a hard enviroment, doesn't change)||

[clever furnace]

Search it up

I’m sure the Reddit has them

[digital robin]

HK/SS has a Discord

[opaque shard]

So they are basically like vampires lol

[digital robin]

they announce betas there

[digital robin]

||Architect|| crest being cannon

[clever furnace]

What does that have to do with it

[digital robin]

It's a joke, you wouldn't get it

🗿 🚬

[hardy jolt]

wait ya i found them i was looking at server announcements instead of hk announcements

[opaque shard]

I dont get it either i (||im a reaper user||)

[digital robin]

It's movement with the big ass lance-drill, looks like a certain Vampire character

[opaque shard]

Ohhh yeah

[mellow sigil]

||tbh I thought Shakra thinks of Hornet as a child due to the personal way she sees her not because she's aware of her nature or heritage
Like the implication is that Shakra is a superior warrior/hunter to her, shes looking over her as her supposed master
just like Shakra's master was also like a mother to her||

||thats why shes a child to Shakra||

[opaque shard]

||I mean after completing her wish she calls hornet by her name 🤔 ||

[mellow sigil]

||cuz after doing that she proves her equality to Shakra and shes no longer superior to her ||

[quiet sentinel]

postgame ||everyones whos beaten act 3, we all agree the canon ending is dream no more? imo its the correct one due to it making sense that the knight helps hornet in return for her helping it enter the hk mind to slay the radiance||

[hardy jolt]

||shade lord appearance in question||

[opaque shard]

||I mean shade lord shows up for like a second in the ending||

[quiet sentinel]

so what

[clever furnace]

It could also be ||godhome ending ||

[quiet sentinel]

so why would it help

[opaque shard]

||I think it implies the godhome one is the cannon one||

[quiet sentinel]

also ||shade lord isnt just in godhome||

[hardy jolt]

||for the aruement that its dream no more cus the knight way repaying hornet, hornet still helped the knight before that point in the game with stuff like saving them after they get the kingsbrand||

[quiet sentinel]

wut

[hardy jolt]

[digital robin]

||Hornet still saves Knight in Kingdom Edge and gives a plan (that he ignores) at the exit of the Abyss (Voidheart is needed)||

[quiet sentinel]

eehhhh

thats a bit of a stretch lol

[opaque shard]

||It was literally added with godhome||

[lusty trout]

i have no idea how to explore this

[opaque shard]

You cant lol

[digital robin]

It's probably Dream no More, ||just because they don't mention Hornet vs HK, or the HK getting better (he should have been cured and he should know Hornet as his half-sibling, that both probably interacted in the Palace before Herra and HK was put to sleep)||

[lusty trout]

oh its ||map of past bru||

[quiet sentinel]

this

[quiet sentinel]

no?

[opaque shard]

||Hornet as brother??||

[quiet sentinel]

||void has existed for eons before godhome||

[opaque shard]

||Shade lord was lol||

[quiet sentinel]

?

thats a weird way to look at it

they always exist

we just only get to see them there

[lusty trout]

|| knight is reason why hornet survived with lace in void after flower broke?||

[quiet sentinel]

its not like they materialize out of thin air

according to the statue

theyve been there a while

you get a secret statue if you get all radiants

they know of its existence

[opaque shard]

I know

[quiet sentinel]

then your logic makes no sense

[opaque shard]

You think i read them?

[digital robin]

||Knight has voidheart no matter what which gives command to other void creatures. He asked them to cease the attack pacifying the enviroment arround him, to save them||

[hardy jolt]

||the abyss was not united before the knight got the voidheart, the knight dies in dream no more and probably wouldnt be able to help hornet and lace with its own face if its dream no more||

[quiet sentinel]

so according to you because we got to see it only on godhome that makes it where it originated

they dont die did you not see the entire end scene

it joins with the void

goes to sleep

[hardy jolt]

can we get some evidence for this

[quiet sentinel]

awoken again by pharlooms snare

[unreal hedge]

hornet is called the gendered child in HK dialogue, but the gender is never specified /nsrs

[quiet sentinel]

watch the ending

[digital robin]

||It's not exatly that it dies but that it becomes "void goop" and go down to the void lake again. It's left ambigous because he was fine in the physic realm but had an awakening of his true self on the dream realm||

[quiet sentinel]

yea

[opaque shard]

Daughter of hallownest in question:

[quiet sentinel]

it just sinks back to the abyss along with everything else

[hardy jolt]

||the fact that the shade lord from embrace the void appears at the end too is very convincing||

[quiet sentinel]

but it shouldnt be taken as gospel though

its like seeing a fruit in a gow and saying oh yeah this fruit came from this bowl not a tree or anything

[unreal hedge]

what if hornet is just very genderfluid and every dialogue in HK proper was made at an instance when hornet was feminine-presenting

[hardy jolt]

i still dont see why it would be dream no more over embrace the void tho

[quiet sentinel]

idk what other way to describe the logic rn

[opaque shard]

Idk man i just woke up like 10 mins ago my brain cant handle all this

[digital robin]

She is Shawfluid

as He is Edinofluid

[quiet sentinel]

simply because of the fact that it helps, thats it

[hardy jolt]

[unreal hedge]

hornet compensates for the millions of genderless vessels by rapidly switching between a million genders

[hardy jolt]

well you can have that interpretation then ig

[quiet sentinel]

hornet helped close their curse

they help us close ours

[opaque shard]

Hornet is THE gender

[velvet trench]

Didnt they say there was no concrete canon ending? Its up for interpretation

[lusty trout]

uhh

[quiet sentinel]

thats why I'm interpreting ir

[velvet trench]

The only one that wouldnt make sense is ||sealed siblings|| ig

[quiet sentinel]

it*

[opaque shard]

Cant be sealed siblings thats for sure lol

[lusty trout]

|| do i get money from being afk (craw stuff)||

[unreal hedge]

hornet just got better

[quiet sentinel]

no its sealed siblings

[clever furnace]

||hornet break out scene:||

[hardy jolt]

if you have the game not paused then probably

[opaque shard]

Fr she just said nah

[velvet trench]

I mean yeah maybe the citadel bugs found a way to break her out of it ig

[opaque shard]

But then the true ending wouldnt make sense since the knight still would be sealed?

[velvet trench]

Idk not got it yet

[clever furnace]

Didnt the developers say they didn’t want any ending to be “true”

[lusty trout]

i dont even have completed it in HK yet

[opaque shard]

True ending as in act3 ending

[quiet sentinel]

[hardy jolt]

mioww

[opaque shard]

Wtf am I looking at

[velvet trench]

Paws

[hardy jolt]

argueing about what ending is canon? nah. paws :3

[opaque shard]

I thought that was a jelly fish

[unreal hedge]

two white paws together, being aimed forward and spread out

[quiet sentinel]

nrowwwww agree

[unreal hedge]

rosaries are internally referred to as Geo in a few functions, interesting

holy shit

public void ActivateTestingCheats()
{
    AddGeo(50000);
}

[hardy jolt]

[opaque shard]

Does that mean theyre also made out of bug shells 🧐

[hardy jolt]

i think its cus the devs didnt feel like calling it rosaries

silly

[digital robin]

@unreal hedge just so you know there are now Silksong Spoilers in #spoil-block🦇💥 because of Void + Sea

Which is a term in HK XD

[velvet trench]

Too many voids smh

[digital robin]

What species are you hornet?
Hornet: ||I'm a Pale being, half wyrm (PK son), half Weaver (GMS grandaughters), sometimes I feel a bit Pale Queen. I have been raised by warrior bees and I'm the half-sister of thousands of creatures from the Abyss. I have the power to absorb other living individuals and in the last days I became one with 13 powerful beings from all around Farloom, also my GF is a Silk-born homunculus . So my answer is... YES!||

[velvet trench]

OCs be like

[opaque shard]

fr

[digital robin]

Btw the Gender fluid "joke" about Hornet could be surprisingly cannon

[opaque shard]

||Wait if shes GMS granddaughter then wouldnt that make lace her aunt ||

[velvet trench]

I always interpreted it that way then got told i was wrong

[hardy jolt]

i am running desperately low on shell shards and this looking real breakable right now

[velvet trench]

Not genderfluid, more fem presenting nb

[unreal hedge]

ok so about the ||crawbell currency||

[opaque shard]

DONT

[digital robin]

For what we see all Pale beings / High beings have some super powerful power, and Pale King seems to be having the power to morphy into other things: Reincarnate into a bug and absorb other bugs essence, either into charms (Knight) or ||crests|| (Hornet). So being completly fluid (gender included) seems part of the family

[digital robin]

||Grand Mother (Grandma) Silk||

[hardy jolt]

chat has anyone seen what happens if you ||try to swim in the void in hk without voidheart with delicate flower ||

[digital robin]

The lighthouse protects you

[unreal hedge]

||it operates on a CrawbellTimer, which seems to measure in seconds
every 300 seconds, it adds from 5 to 19 rosaries and shards (random number generated independently for each type), up to a maximum of 300 to 499 (pre-determined, randomised each time you grab the current remnants)||

[hardy jolt]

without having turned on the lighthouse too

[opaque shard]

you die

[hardy jolt]

wait yea

how DOES the knight hold the delicate flower

[opaque shard]

their shell protects em ig

[quiet sentinel]

with their lil pawbs

[hardy jolt]

the knight jus puts the flower on their head

[quiet sentinel]

lil grabby hands

[hardy jolt]

True...

best answer

[unreal hedge]

||so on average, you get 2.4 rosaries per minute, capped at (on average) ~400
so afking is a very inefficient method of rosaries farming ||

[digital robin]

||So you need to wait 2~5h for 300 shards and rosaries?|| Kinda bad

||You can get 300 rosaries in Act 2 with going back and forth once between HH arena and Songclave (10 min at most)||

[unreal hedge]

||what's HH, I don't know the acronyms||

[opaque shard]

||high heels||

[velvet trench]

||high halls||

I find ||killing the bugs outside grand bellway, benching, repeat is more effective for rosary farming but whatever works for you ig||

[unreal hedge]

fuck I don't remember that location
is it ||the top left of citadel||

[digital robin]

||High Halls (Conductor Melody/Arena area on top-left of citadel, basically is doing the 2 big rooms with 5 tall enemies)||

[opaque shard]

The humble map:

[unreal hedge]

too lazy to boot up the game

[opaque shard]

Lol

[velvet trench]

Real

[digital robin]

Something tells me that Randi did that first try and didn't suffered too much there XD

[unreal hedge]

... yeah

[velvet trench]

🥹

[opaque shard]

||High halls? More like get me outta here||

[unreal hedge]

||architect's crest sweep
plus that one tool that's a saw rolling on the floor||

[velvet trench]

It took me like 10 hours attempting it legitimately then i cheesed it w ||garmond and wall cling||

[digital robin]

Yea that one is quite powerful with poison

[unreal hedge]

true

[digital robin]

if you want to cheese just do ||Father Flame and use fire-stall||

[unreal hedge]

||I essentially always had poison besides when doing that one Organ Harvesting wish||

[opaque shard]

You can also cheese most things with the ||lifeblood overdose||

[unreal hedge]

anyway my first steel soul ended in a skill issue in ||widow (which I got first try on my actual first playthrough)|| 🥹

[velvet trench]

First trying that on ur first playthrough is insane

[digital robin]

||Phantom late at night||

[velvet trench]

That one took me ages

[unreal hedge]

i think i mainly just rushed too much instead of gathering necessary preparations

[digital robin]

||I didn't even see the big fall glow and did double damage ||

||Widow|| is hard no matter what

but I think you can get 1 extra mask and a few tools ||(also poison)||

[opaque shard]

Shouldve parried smh

[unreal hedge]

||i need clawline, combat is so much better with it||

[opaque shard]

Fr

[hardy jolt]

average steel soul boss prep

[unreal hedge]

(postgame) ||I only realised the power of clawline when doing Lost Lace ||

[velvet trench]

I keep forgetting to use that in combat

[opaque shard]

I just keep abusing it lol

[unreal hedge]

||clawline is really useful in lategame bosses because they just keep dodging every single attack if you want to attack them up close with the nail||

the game decides to replicate the experience of Hornet fighting the Knight controlled by an experienced player

[opaque shard]

What if you get to fight the knight in a future dlc

[unreal hedge]

i don't think there was any boss or even more broadly creature in Hollow Knight that dodged as much as most SIlksong enemies

[velvet trench]

Mm i like it though, feels more immersive

I love how complex some of the regular enemies are

[quiet sentinel]

yahhh

[opaque shard]

enemies in ss just have more IQ lol

[digital robin]

The humble No Eyes (and a few others that love to teleport arround all the time)

[velvet trench]

True

[opaque shard]

No eyes? More like ihy

[velvet trench]

Not really a dodge tho, they dont react to your attacks

[opaque shard]

Nkg sometimes backs away ig

[velvet trench]

True

[clever furnace]

This is nuts (Rarest item in silksong) https://youtu.be/1rKycaD0js0?si=kjQ_-awxS8z-JLG4

[digital robin]

I already mention this yesterday, it could be a cool thing to try to get

[opaque shard]

You would need to memorize the entire map tho

[digital robin]

Not that hard

[opaque shard]

Not worth it imo

[digital robin]

100% Speedruners don't use maps anyways, and unless you do 100% you can get an idea of where you are going

||also you still have the basic Shakra sketch if you need to||

[hardy jolt]

oh i thought it'd be something more :<

[velvet trench]

Woa thats cool

[hardy jolt]

thats like really easy to get isnt it??

[digital robin]

||Yes, just don't buy a quill until act 3||

[opaque shard]

Going the entire game without a map

[hardy jolt]

ya thats not that much a problem

[digital robin]

just don't use the map and you are fine. Silksong areas main path tend to be easy to remember, specially if you ||Courier tasks|| previously and optimise routes

[opaque shard]

I still need like 5 playthrough till i get there

[hardy jolt]

especially if you arent doing side content like fleas,,

[opal totem]

How can you not do side content

It's too fun to not do

[hardy jolt]

we're talking about ||getting the ourple quill||

also :(

[opaque shard]

Rip dave

[digital robin]

Good riddance

He kills you all the time if you just want to say HI!

[hardy jolt]

i MIGHT be stupid i just remembered you needed the fleas for ||act 3 ||

[digital robin]

||You need to make them go to the lake||

[hardy jolt]

ya

[digital robin]

it's part of the requeriments, but 100% is not

[opal totem]

Meanwhile I still have no idea how to trigger ||Shakra's wish||

I've almost 100%d act 2 and it still doesn't appear

[hardy jolt]

||my thought was get every map but idk ||

[velvet trench]

Need to get all ||maps|| iirc

From her anyway

[opal totem]

Done that a while ago, still nothing

[velvet trench]

I was missing the ||sands of karak|| one and once i got it showed up

[opal totem]

Only missing ||citadel maps||

[hardy jolt]

have you been near the top left part of ||bilewater?||

right*

[opal totem]

Not yet, I was saving it for the quest

[velvet trench]

Did you get ||putrified ducts||?

[hardy jolt]

maybe its that then

ive only ever gotten the quest after going there

[opal totem]

That was the last one I though I missed but ||it's not from Shakra||

[velvet trench]

Hmm

[opal totem]

If it is then it's stupid, other areas being undiscovered doesn't prevent starting quests that lead there

[hardy jolt]

true

[opal totem]

I got ||missing courier|| quest before ever entering ||memorium||

[opaque shard]

I think you need to buy all of her maps

[opal totem]

I did

[velvet trench]

Yeah looked it up, says u just need to ||buy all her maps||. Have u progressed ||bellhart quests? Maybe needs to be certain stage idk||

[opal totem]

I think I've done them all yeah

[opaque shard]

Thats normal

[velvet trench]

Have u got ||wormways, sinners road, sands of karak, bilewater|| etc, those can be missed fairly easily

[opal totem]

Yeah

[serene oxide]

depends on how you hit it

||hunter crest dash attack into ascent completely ignores her parry||

[hardy jolt]

darcy why do you always respond to messages from a long time ago whenever entering chat

[serene oxide]

that was from a couple hours ago

[velvet trench]

Maybe just wait a while then and keep checking back in on ||bellhart||?

[serene oxide]

someone reacted to my message about an RW mod from a month ago

THAT'S long time

[hardy jolt]

still-

[digital haven]

i just scrolled up replies for this message but
the like. 1 full second delay between block and counterattack is VERY manageable

[hardy jolt]

[serene oxide]

you're living too fast

couple hours is nothing

[digital haven]

anyways hi chat

[opaque shard]

Hello

[digital haven]

i am still stuck

[hardy jolt]

nevermind 🥹

[digital haven]

this game hates me

[opal totem]

I think I waited long enough, at this point there are only 3 things for me to do before I almost completed act 2

[serene oxide]

that's probably why you beat the game so quick while i frolicked for 60 hours and still have sub 85% completion

[digital haven]

did someone say sub

thats me!

[opal totem]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/455836779560304650/1217509054323228733/animal.gif

[serene oxide]

like the subway sandwich or substitute teacher

[velvet trench]

I mean i have 69h and have only just gotten the ||first ending||

[opaque shard]

Like and subscribe and dont forget to hit the bell-

[serene oxide]

or subscriber

[digital haven]

subzero as in the physics term

[serene oxide]

wow

maybe i live too fast

[velvet trench]

Ive done a lot of side stuff in ||act 2|| but def not done yet

[digital haven]

i thought you were way farther into the game..

[opal totem]

Oh hey, my silksong playtime surpassed my hk playtime

[opaque shard]

I accidentally got the under 30h 100% complation achievement in my second playthrough

[opal totem]

Was hk really that small

[serene oxide]

anyway what the HELL does the ||person from a stray bellhome in shellwood|| wants???

[mellow sigil]

I caught up with you yayayyyayy!!!!!!!

[digital haven]

||witch crest quest||

[serene oxide]

i got that same thing in first HK

[opaque shard]

I would say its about ||x3|| as long

[velvet trench]

Been busy w work

[mellow sigil]

||(I also just got the first ending )||

[serene oxide]

hk is tiny in comparison

[serene oxide]

oh oke

where the hell is the ugly thing

[opaque shard]

Im missing like 3 achievements

[digital haven]

best region bw

[serene oxide]

best region bw?

||bigh walls||?

[digital haven]

||bilewater||

[opaque shard]

||bilewater||

Music is a banger

[serene oxide]

true

i wish the region didn't suck ass

[velvet trench]

Btw do i need to beat ||groal or raging conchfly for act 3, i hate these stupid guys||

[serene oxide]

yes

yeah

yup

[opal totem]

Tbh my only issue with the region is enemies

[serene oxide]

uh-huh

[velvet trench]

[opaque shard]

Only thing i hate about it is the popo water

[digital haven]

hollownight fun fact if you go into a room transition with a FAR POST ENDING SPOIL ||gloomsac|| on your head the game will be stuck with the muffled audio

[opal totem]

||Groal yes, conchfly no||

[digital haven]

the croissant juice

[velvet trench]

Thats the worse one

[hardy jolt]

||wtf is a gloomsac||

[velvet trench]

But ty

[digital haven]

you will probably need to kill the latter later

[velvet trench]

Guess ill suffer

[digital haven]

the weird flying fucks in post ending spoilers ||abyss||

[tawdry osprey]

eventually both...

[opaque shard]

You need the latter for the ||gourmands quest||

[tawdry osprey]

no

[serene oxide]

can we talk about how similar Pharloom is to Hallownest

[hardy jolt]

ohh

[velvet trench]

No? Ive done that

[digital haven]

nop

[tawdry osprey]

its the second fight, no the first one

[velvet trench]

Ye

[digital haven]

i mean same universe

[serene oxide]

they both have three guys you need to eliminate

[opaque shard]

Dosent it unlock the way into the ||coral tower||

Or am I having dementia

[tawdry osprey]

||gourmand ingredient isnt there||

[digital haven]

you dont need CT for that quest

[velvet trench]

The ||crustnut|| isnt there

[opaque shard]

Oh yeah im having dementia 💀

[serene oxide]

SPOILERS TO SILKSONG LOOOOOOREEEEE is ||granmama silk|| a ||pale being||

[velvet trench]

Probably idk

[digital robin]

Yes

at least a ||higher being, and also white so...||

[serene oxide]

after all Hornet does mention to ||Green Prince I think that her kin (from the pale side) require devotion or bring destruction||

[opal totem]

Is color really a defining factor

[tawdry osprey]

did you beat the game already chiki

[serene oxide]

if they're white with blue tint they're pale I think, at least judging from white palace

[opaque shard]

I mean || all pale beings are white 🤯 ||

[opal totem]

Our sample size is two

[digital haven]

shes called ||pale|| many times

[digital haven]

our sample size is 3

or 2.5

[opal totem]

Ok I guess 3 is better

||White lady|| exists too

[velvet trench]

No, ive gotten ||weaver queen ending|| but still in act 2 atm

[digital haven]

who were you thinking of..

[opal totem]

||Pale king and rad||

[serene oxide]

radiance isn't pale

[digital haven]

rad isnt confirmed to be a pale being

i was thinking of pure vessel

[opal totem]

Seems pale to me

[serene oxide]

can i freely give hollow knight spoilers here

[tawdry osprey]

good, i was actually asking about that ending

[digital robin]

||White lady (Queen) is probably also one||

[opal totem]

If it can manipulate other creatures or control their minds then it's probably pale

[serene oxide]

she's definitely one

[digital haven]

theyre quite tanned, and i feel like conflict between pale beings is.. not really there

[serene oxide]

and radiance is definitely not one

[serene oxide]

(played HK only twice btw)

[velvet trench]

Who else cant wait for the 3 hour silksong lore video 🔥

[opaque shard]

Mossbag time

[serene oxide]

not yet

[digital haven]

MOSSBAG!! 17 SILKSONG LORE VIDEOS AND MY SOUL IS YOURS!!!

[gentle cedar]

||if it can create or manipulate creatures against their will it's probably pale||

[serene oxide]

we need Team Cherry to release a dlc and put the REAL REAL ending in there

for the true EtV supporters

because surely base game shouldn't have the true ending

no

[hardy jolt]

||both of the rising lava parts of this game remind me of ori escape sequences and its so fun ||

[serene oxide]

leave that to the boss rush funny thing

[gentle cedar]

real real ending zote comes in and kills hornet trust

[digital haven]

so is the player a pale being

[opal totem]

We got 1 hour of lore out of 2 minutes trailer, with 100% speedrun taking 30h we should get at least 900h of lore

[opaque shard]

In the future dlc ||thk will come to pharloom and set an even higher score than seth in fleafestivals||

[serene oxide]

ori escape sequences are so fun actually I think i want to replay the first part now

[gentle cedar]

i mean considering you play as ||2 canonically pale-related characters|| in the games

[digital haven]

i mean not the knight. the player

[opaque shard]

Hornet is half pale and half weaver

[digital haven]

i know

[gentle cedar]

shrug, the player doesn't exist in the game as an entity so there's no telling

[opal totem]

If team cherry adds ||act 4|| in the dlc I'm uninstalling

[opaque shard]

What about ||act 5?||

[digital haven]

ok and let me yeet my theories but weavers i mean idk
kinda pale motifs to me

[gentle cedar]

if future dlc locks most content out of ||act 3|| i'm uninstalling

[serene oxide]

in the second dlc ||a smaller reincarnation of PK (as he turned from Wyrm to bug he will now turn from bug to idk microbe) will come to rule over Pharloom and unite it to Hallownest||

[opal totem]

I mean weavers are ||daughters of the pale being||

[digital haven]

true! and my point exactly

we know ||silk|| is made of soul

[mellow sigil]

MICROBE?

[serene oxide]

yes i considered tagging you

instead of just writing it

[mellow sigil]

HEHEHE

[opaque shard]

In the third dlc ||you will get to fight the nightmares heart ||

[hardy jolt]

microbe is part of hk lore real

[serene oxide]

so does that mean that ||silk hearts give Hornet a limited Kingsoul inside her?||

[digital haven]

YEAH
grimm hkss when?

[opaque shard]

@mellow sigil is pale king

[digital haven]

i guess? we know ||she makes silk by hitting things, getting soul, making silk out of it||

[gentle cedar]

i hope if grimm comes to pharloom a certain theatrical bug becomes depressed or jealous

[mellow sigil]

pale king was me sometime probably

[digital haven]

thats why even ||unhaunted|| bugs also give ||silk||

[opaque shard]

Nah they become super yaoi

[serene oxide]

in the fourth dlc the TRUE TRUE ending appears and it turns out ||Hornet was actually a daughter of Herrah and a random Kingsmould since PK was too small making her half void||

[gentle cedar]

LMFAO theatre kid yaoi

[serene oxide]

okay not cooking here

[mellow sigil]

THATS WHAT I THOUGHT

[digital haven]

HORNET IS NOT VOIDDDD

[hardy jolt]

is this a ||silk and soul|| reference...

[digital haven]

i think it quite is considering the whole ||shaman culture||

[opaque shard]

Theres gonna be a 2 hour long cutscene in which they make out yaoi style

[mellow sigil]

they fight aggressively and violently and than kiss

[digital haven]

dude i want my ||snare setter back||

[hardy jolt]

i need this

[hardy jolt]

how much dmg did it do

i never really used it by itself

[opaque shard]

We need to blackmail team cherry NOW

[serene oxide]

but genuinely what do we think

[digital haven]

not a lot, similar to a silk skill

[hardy jolt]

not bad

[digital haven]

thing is it took like 1.7 seconds to trigger

so it couldnt get running enemies

[serene oxide]

i think it's very probable

[digital robin]

||Like the spike trap||

[hardy jolt]

boss prep material

[opaque shard]

Wdym its true

[digital haven]

||snare setter||

[serene oxide]

you could probably down a higher being with that thing!

[hardy jolt]

hmmmmmmmm :3

[digital haven]

i really liked using it, more than ||silkshot||

[hardy jolt]

next playthrough i will try using it !!

i wanna see how good it is

[digital haven]

works with ||pollip|| btw

[hardy jolt]

does that scale with the dmg of the tool?

from testing it didnt do much dmg

[digital robin]

||Sting Shard||

[digital haven]

not sure but it does def deal more damage

[digital haven]

ik what you meant but im reffering to the thing above

[digital robin]

I say that it's similar to that tool

in that you just set up a trap and it gets triggered if someones go there later on

[opal totem]

||Spike shard|| can be destroyed

Guess that's why ||tacks|| get less capacity even though they're less versatile

You can't really waste them

[hardy jolt]

|||flea dodge + bounce, flea dodge but i cant go on the platforms and only can pogo off the fleas ||

[digital robin]

||The destruction still does projectile damage, and I think is bigger than not staying for the full attack||

[opal totem]

Not sure

Damage numbers on wiki when

[digital robin]

@ Randi

[opal totem]

Randi really should dig up the ||eva upgrades|| reqs

[digital haven]

lowk impossb

[digital haven]

all crests and an unknown number of lockets

i dont have enough

[hardy jolt]

trust

[digital robin]

||It's just using memory lockets||

[opal totem]

||I have a witch crest to get, I'll see if I get the new upgrade after that||