Silksong Discussion (soiler warning)

[digital haven]

I CAN GET ||ACT 3||

YESSSSSS

[digital robin]

Btw I was just next to it, thanks for the hint, is the ||start of a questline||

[digital haven]

so what exactly do i have to do for late game spoilers ||act 3||

[digital robin]

For what I heard, a pre-requisite is ||doing all quests from the 3 towns||

[digital haven]

done

i also got ||fleatopia||

[digital robin]

||Then talk to the 1st sanctuary fella that is always a bit annoyed at hornet and will give her a new quest||

[digital haven]

i have that quest

got all 3 ||souls||

[digital robin]

||There is a 4th item, do you have it already?||

[digital haven]

yep

[mental shuttle]

Starting a new save on my xbox because my dads stealing the computer for the week

[digital robin]

Then talk to him again like he asked after fetching all plot devices

[clever furnace]

It’s literally the ||end of the world why is this pin bitch charging me money for a weapon upgrade||

WHAT ARE YOU EVEN GONNA BUY WITH THAT

[digital haven]

bruh i cant get one of the ||souls|| bcuz of that one surprjse boss

ok done

[digital haven]

and do i need to beat GMS?

[digital robin]

||Yes, it's like when Hornet Screws with the HK to allow you to reach Radiance||

[hollow laurel]

Oh yeah that was fun

[digital haven]

aha

i love gms, fun fight so it wont be trouble

[clever furnace]

||MY FARMING SPOT IS GONE TOO||

[opal totem]

I heard there are ||3 act 2|| endings, is that true

[clever furnace]

||Any act 3 farming spots. Anyone. Please ||

[mental shuttle]

Yes

[opal totem]

What's the last one

[mental shuttle]

Beat gms while ||cursed by the witch||

[opal totem]

What the fuck

[mental shuttle]

It should be easy

Get ||cursed|| just before you fight her

[opal totem]

But I wanted to get ||witch crest|| early in this playthrough

[mental shuttle]

ITS POOPOO

[opal totem]

It's eh

[mental shuttle]

Why do you want it

[opal totem]

But I wanted to play more with it anyway

[opal totem]

Variety

[mental shuttle]

Its somehow worse than ||beast||

[opal totem]

Debatable

[digital robin]

There is 1 person saying that ||Reaper is the worst and beast is the best|| btw

Because DPS or something

[mental shuttle]

||reaper|| is mid at worst

[opal totem]

||Wanderer|| in question

[mental shuttle]

Goated for
Uh
Wandering

Not for bosses imo

[tawdry osprey]

Not even close

[digital robin]

They say ||Wandere and beast are the top 2||

[mental shuttle]

||beast|| is so poopoo gang

[opal totem]

Every streamer I watched seems to just spam ||wanderer||

[tawdry osprey]

“They say” but that people only think about dps not range and move set

Dps isn’t everything

[opal totem]

Moveset is very good though

[tawdry osprey]

Beast no

[mental shuttle]

Probably because its like the first game

[opal totem]

Why does everyone want to play hollow knight

[quiet sentinel]

I've been playing with ||wanderer|| since I got it and it's very solid all around

[digital haven]

done

mcool should i be in ykw now that ive beaten gms with that thing?

[digital robin]

||Exactly, they talked about POTENTIALITY of each crest, both beast and Wanderer are the ones that may have the biggest ceiling for speedruning, specially in a Hall of Gods moment||

[tawdry osprey]

||no like wanderer is totally usable especially with the longer range charm but beast is TERRIBLE||

[digital robin]

||Did you get the new ending?||

[opal totem]

Why terrible

[quiet sentinel]

The range down on it isn't even noticeable

[digital haven]

yes :D its so cool and badass im so happy

[quiet sentinel]

I didn't even know it was a complaint until now

lmao

[digital haven]

took me 53 hours

[mental shuttle]

The last crest is pretty peam imo

[digital robin]

Is mainly a complain when compared with Hunter, but yea

[opal totem]

For straight and up slashes it is

[quiet sentinel]

Get good

[digital haven]

wtf happened to my save.

[digital robin]

I feel the "quickslash trap" is more problematic (a lot of people turn off brain and gets greedy with extra hits)

[opal totem]

And it works

I hate it

[mental shuttle]

Eated :3

[mental shuttle]

Oh and happy bird day

[digital haven]

late game soil ||abyss???||

[opal totem]

It's like it allows outhealing damage beacase you regain silk during iframes

[quiet sentinel]

I can't tell if we're praising or complaining

[digital haven]

this is kinda peak

EW WHY DO I HAVE HUNTER QUEST EQUIPPED

[quiet sentinel]

If you don't like a crest you don't gotta use it btw

[digital haven]

get it off get it offfff

[digital robin]

||Charmless Hunter Crest||

[mental shuttle]

Playing without the run button is agony

[opal totem]

I don't like how easy it is to use effectively

[digital haven]

with.. silkspear :(

[clever furnace]

What’s wrong with hunters quest

[mental shuttle]

I NEED RUN BACK

[opal totem]

I also don't like other crests having arbitrary limitations that turn them into near downgrades

[digital haven]

i mean crest

autocorrect is wild

[quiet sentinel]

I'd be more open to using other crests if they weren't dogshit

[mental shuttle]

This

[clever furnace]

lol I meant the same to what’s wrong with the crest

[opal totem]

||Why can't healing on witch scale with amount of enemies hit
Why does shaman have to have grounded bind ||

[digital haven]

reaper better
i like my pogos

[mental shuttle]

Dude
I love ||shamans|| but the heal making you go to the ground pisses me off

[opal totem]

||Why do I only get to heal 3 masks on beast when it's much riskier than on anything else||

[tawdry osprey]

I feel like there’s only one unusable one and it’s ||beast||

[opal totem]

Why so much hate

[tawdry osprey]

Because every other one is superior, even slot-wise

[opal totem]

Is there a reason other than down slash

[quiet sentinel]

Literally every crest I've tried using so far doesn't beat the consistency of hunter or ||wanderer||

and consistency is big in a game about learning patterns

[mental shuttle]

The moveset is awesome but changing a fundamental mechanic makes it so hard to use

[clever furnace]

||beast needs some major balancing imo its way to risky unless you’re a pro. Also that DOWNPOGO AAAAHHHHH||

[digital haven]

i died lmao

[mental shuttle]

Its also not worth the fight you do to get it

[opal totem]

Don't touch the pogo, it's not the problem

[digital robin]

||Beast doesn't have blue slots, the irrelevant mechanic of Reaper becomes central and the poggo is super specific and hard to use for combat and parkour||

[clever furnace]

Honestly ||beast is mostly unusable because of that down pogo||

[opal totem]

||What reaper mechanic?||

[tawdry osprey]

Exactly the ||no blue slots makes it SO BAD it’s like THE MOST IMPORTANT TYPE WTF||

[clever furnace]

It’s so incredibly cursed. ||Like Hunter downpogo is already hard enough to calculate so why don’t we ad in a curve||

[digital haven]

ive beaten this game with reaper crest its just goated
honestly also love mid act 2 spoilers ||architects||

[digital robin]

||That after healing you need to hit enemies to get something, in reaper is +33% silk (irrelevant most of the time), but with beast is the healing itself (extremly important)||

[opal totem]

||It's really not that bad once you start treating it as horizontal dash||

[digital robin]

||Most bosses have some opening where you can usually go high above and heal 3 or 4 mask safely, with beast you NEED to do that AND be good enought to hit consistently in the next few seconds, and if the boss does a bad attack, bad luck||

[tawdry osprey]

For me it’s just the blue slots… it’s such a downgrade

[quiet sentinel]

speaking of blue slots idk if yall sleeping on ||multibinder and the faster heal one||

[opal totem]

I can live without them, it's just the healing

[quiet sentinel]

but its so good

[digital robin]

||You already have 2 of them, and one gets you iframes if it connects||

[opal totem]

I thought it's what almost everyone runs

[mental shuttle]

Fa ri du la si ma net

[quiet sentinel]

oh cool, i recently tried it out and it works really well

[digital robin]

||I use only +1 heal, I feel is quick enought if you go for safe strats||

[tawdry osprey]

I hate multibinder, love fast heal

[quiet sentinel]

trust me together they are so peak

before that i used to use the fast heal and mask

[tawdry osprey]

Idk I can live without ||a +1 heal to get a blue slot for something more battle focused||

[quiet sentinel]

fair

i definitely dont have all tools yet so

i may find something i prefer better

[digital haven]

i dont like ||multibinder|| simply cause of time increase but the other one. its GOOD

[tawdry osprey]

Nah time increase isn’t a concern really

||the fact that you can heal mid air in this game helps a lot, just pick a spot where enemies can’t reach whatever they do||

There’s always one

[mental shuttle]

Fast heal is peak

[digital robin]

Yea, after getting wings most bosses can't reach you, atleast if you wait for they to do a slow attack

[mental shuttle]

Im struggling on a new file without it 😭

[digital robin]

I feel silk managment is more important that speed for healing

[digital haven]

corners, mostly

[atomic lintel]

witch crest...

[clever furnace]

It’s a ||2+ heal though right ||

[tawdry osprey]

No

[atomic lintel]

i love witch crest slot distribution and movesetbut oh my goooood the BIND WHY IS IT SO BAD

🥹

[clever furnace]

||?? It gives me 2+ heals ||

[tawdry osprey]

It’s still better than beast smh

[clever furnace]

||Or is that a combo||

[tawdry osprey]

You get 2+2 not 3+2

[atomic lintel]

beast is good

[clever furnace]

OHHHHHH

[clever furnace]

Sorry I can’t math

[atomic lintel]

its just very skill dependent

[clever furnace]

I think very is an understatement

[tawdry osprey]

I don’t think skill can add blue slots to it

[atomic lintel]

beast would be better if wanderer didnt exist

wanderer kinda does what beast does but a bit worse and has a normal bind

[tawdry osprey]

Aand has good slots

[atomic lintel]

yea

[misty isle]

Been messing around with Bellhart skill a bit and uh ||the NPC near Moss Grotto and the one below Bellhart have the exact same song||

[clever furnace]

All this arguing and ||hunter is still the definitive best smh||

[atomic lintel]

almost every crest have insane potential

except like, reaper

[clever furnace]

enough with the reaper slander

[misty isle]

Reaper is just convenient

[quiet sentinel]

mae crest

[tawdry osprey]

Potential exchanged for comfortability

Way better

[misty isle]

Reaper is awesome for exploration, parkour and learning boss attacks

[clever furnace]

Also when do I know to visit ||eva for an upgrade||

[quiet sentinel]

frowns

[clever furnace]

||her upgrades are super inconsistent ||

[atomic lintel]

when you get a new crest i think

[clever furnace]

Idk what triggers them it send random

[opal totem]

No idea when but it's tied to ||the amount of memory lockets used||

[tawdry osprey]

Why should I care about insane potential dps if I can just play normally with an actual good moveset

[clever furnace]

Ohhhh that makes sense

[tawdry osprey]

Like yeah sure if I’m speed running the game I’m going for wanderer but for normal play it’s just unnecessary, makes it way easier to focus on boss movements instead of spamming attack

[misty isle]

Eva mentions "visit me when your nature changes", and also says that crests = nature

[opal totem]

No blues on beast wouldn't be an issue if it could actually play berserker style

[atomic lintel]

the biggest gripe i have with beast is the dive

[opal totem]

I visited her after every new crest, doesn't work

[tawdry osprey]

It does yes

[opal totem]

And then I just upgraded an old crest right there and it worked

[atomic lintel]

it feels some bosses werent made with it in mind

[tawdry osprey]

Every new crest is one visit

[digital robin]

Reaper is the best to poggo consistently and to do skips, why don't you play the ||flea poggo challenge with the beast crest if it's so good and then with the Reaper||

[misty isle]

Maybe nonlinear numbers? Like first requires 2, then 4, then 6 or something??

[quiet sentinel]

wait what i thought it was just for ||hunter|| cause originally hunter is unupgraded and doesnt have a special function

[atomic lintel]

wanderer is awesome for pogoing too

[quiet sentinel]

wtf i GOTTA see her again

[tawdry osprey]

Short range for pogo, I feel like wanderer gets outclassed by shaman and witch pogo wise

[mental shuttle]

I think you also need ||memory lockets||

[opal totem]

That's what I said

[atomic lintel]

get longclaw

[tawdry osprey]

It’s not a bad pogo but there’s better options if you only want the pogo

[mental shuttle]

Ive already completed her thing even though I havent got them all tho

[atomic lintel]

like honestly the range isnt even that bad

[mental shuttle]

I only have all the crests

[atomic lintel]

and is completely fixed if you have longclaw

[tawdry osprey]

I insist if you ONLY want the pogo

[opal totem]

You don't need all lockets

[atomic lintel]

its almost fucked up how wanderer is the only crest that has a downside you can completely negate

[opal totem]

I got last one with 4 still missing

[tawdry osprey]

Yeah wanderer with longclaw is a good combo I tried it late game and works wonderfully

[mental shuttle]

I personally just use hunter for the dash thrust

[atomic lintel]

i guess theres the flea brew which can negate reaper's slow swing speed but its a bit temporary

[mental shuttle]

Dash then pogo is an awesome combo

[atomic lintel]

i wonder if theres any morre cool skips with

||charged beast attack||

||you can get into the wormways weavernest early that way||

[mental shuttle]

Cant you just dash into it????

[atomic lintel]

no?

[mental shuttle]

Thats what I did

I think

[atomic lintel]

buh

i dont think you did

[mental shuttle]

Run + jump
Then dash

[atomic lintel]

i am like 80% sure its impossible

🥹

[mental shuttle]

I dont think I had anything else gang

Ill try it later

[atomic lintel]

i tried to do that strat + ||beast charged attack||

and it didnt work

earlier

[mental shuttle]

Weird

[atomic lintel]

even with the ||charged beast attack you gotta be super precise||

i havent really seen any busted ||shaman crest|| builds

||the fact you cant heal mid air with it is so ass 🥹 you just fall down ||

[quiet sentinel]

i find only having 1 offensive tool more crippling thats the only thing i dislike abt it

[atomic lintel]

i actually like that

[quiet sentinel]

cause i liked having an offensive and a defensive

[atomic lintel]

i dont use tools often so im happy to trade it for 1 more yellow

[opal totem]

||And even grounded bind takes longer for some reason||

[tawdry osprey]

Well yellow just isn’t the best slot anyways

[atomic lintel]

||i guess you're probably not meant to heal that much with it anyway||

[tawdry osprey]

Like… ||loud harp, wow, amazing||

[atomic lintel]

good for exploration

[tawdry osprey]

But I can live without one red slot that’s not the problem

Why yellow tho…

[opal totem]

Wanderer

[digital haven]

huh.. maybe... theres a reason

[opal totem]

Makes sense to me

[atomic lintel]

if wanderer had 3 blue slots

it'd be too busted

[tawdry osprey]

Yeah it makes sense it’s just useless I would prefer not having the slot than having a 4 yellow one lol

[opal totem]

It'd be murderer

[tawdry osprey]

Makes me feel bad that it has a fourth yellow

[atomic lintel]

witch casually being the only crest with 3 blue slots but having a shit fucking heal

[digital haven]

como is ||bell eater|| mandatory or can i just postpone it till i get ||third pale oil||

[tawdry osprey]

Please do it now

Missing best part of the game

[opal totem]

3 blue slots all of which you spend to attempt to fix healing

[tawdry osprey]

Also easy asf

[digital haven]

no its pissing me off so hard i hate it

[digital haven]

stop flexing

smh

[tawdry osprey]

Boss doesn’t stagger

You might be closer than you think

[digital haven]

no but deadass why double damage

[digital haven]

how many minutes does it take on average

[tawdry osprey]

Idk depends on how much you hit

||but the moment the arena becomes bigger is like halfway point||

[atomic lintel]

i dont even remember that fight honestly

its so forgettable

[opal totem]

The ending of that fight is not forgettable

[atomic lintel]

the beginning and the ending are like

the only parts i remember

[opal totem]

More like 1/3

[atomic lintel]

LOL

[digital haven]

no way thats hlafway

[tawdry osprey]

It’s more like… 3/8

[digital haven]

okay im gonna go try again ig

[opal totem]

3/9, deal?

[tawdry osprey]

That’s literally the same as 1/3

[opal totem]

No it's bigger

[hollow laurel]

|| yeah I found a way to absolutely shred that bosses health so his first phase lasted around 10 seconds||

[tawdry osprey]

Thought you could get me with the big numbers?

It’s 3/8 idc

[opal totem]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/455836779560304650/1217509054323228733/animal.gif

[hollow laurel]

I think that sounds pretty accurate

[digital haven]

oh my god

this fight is ass

this is the best example of pointless double damage in the whole game

[hollow laurel]

Maybe 10/30

[atomic lintel]

i love double damage

unironically

[opal totem]

I kinda like 2 dmg on rapid attacks

[hollow laurel]

Idk I like it but there are things that shouldn’t have that much damage

[opal totem]

But when it's a ball of spit and it's not even explosive it feels like 1

[atomic lintel]

i love how most of those attacks are parryable

except like, counters i think

dont think theres a single double damage counter that is parryable

[digital haven]

thats my point

[digital robin]

||Just kill it, is not too hard||

[atomic lintel]

the projectile attack i hate the most is

maggot balls...................

🥹

[hollow laurel]

The trick is to ||never be under the eater and always hit from the side||

[atomic lintel]

its funny how everyone thought that boss was funny when they saw it in the trailer but in the game its such dogshit

[digital robin]

||Chef is chef||

[tawdry osprey]

@Chef ?

[atomic lintel]

||you get hit once and you cant heal for the rest of the fight anymore unless you have the cool item which lets you take a few hits before you get maggoted||

[digital robin]

<@&904855320189370409>

[tawdry osprey]

Omg why didn’t it ping the role I hate mobile

[digital haven]

YOU CAN HIT IT FROM THE SIDE?

IVE BEEN POGOING ON IT ALL THE TIME

[atomic lintel]

oh

[digital haven]

I THOUGHT THE BLADES WOULD BLOCK IT OR SMTH

[hollow laurel]

Yeah you just can’t hit the armor

lol

[digital haven]

oh my fucking god im so stupid

[misty isle]

Damn Hunter really is the best crest

[digital robin]

||The floor ones are easy to hit from the side, the roof butt attack can be safely dealt by being a bit to the side, it shows in which diagonal direction it will attack next and its alway A B A||

[atomic lintel]

HUNTER IS SO GOOD

[misty isle]

(excluding the fact I only got 4)

[atomic lintel]

as much as i like wanderer, hunter dive is more fun for fights

[digital haven]

i noticed that

i cant really hit from the side the legs block it

[digital robin]

You need to jump and do it at the top

||Mech / Reaper are good ways to deal with it due to the big range||

[hollow laurel]

The head from the side just try to never be directly under it

[atomic lintel]

i actually dont remember if i used hunter or longclaw wanderer for that fight

[hollow laurel]

||I think I used hunter||

[digital robin]

I probably used hunter since I didn't change it ||after act 3 started||, if not probably mech

But ||Mech and Reaper|| attack hitbox being longer but slimmer is probably better if you want to deal with them from the side / not jump that high

[atomic lintel]

||bell eater is just boring honestly||

||i feel like its the least silksong-esque boss in the entire game||

||you cant really use hornet's movement that much in that fight||

its the type of boss i'd expect to see in HK

[clever furnace]

Do you get more upgrades if you don’t ||bind eva?|| (major spoilers)

[digital robin]

||There are quite a few bosses of just a static hitbox on the roof/wall doing bullethell||

[clever furnace]

What happens if you don’t

[opal totem]

Nothing I believe

||Binding is the final upgrade||

[clever furnace]

Damn I was hoping ||you could upgrade the other crests ||

[atomic lintel]

most arent lategame though

[digital robin]

||It's the 1st boss of Act 3 (game design says it should be easier than the last 2 super climatic bosses), and one of the 3 hearts is the same||

You can argue 2

[atomic lintel]

its still really boring

doesnt do anything new or unique

[native turret]

/silly

why

[atomic lintel]

more complex enemy design

[native turret]

[atomic lintel]

its also a change that makes sense given how healing was changed

[native turret]

I dont personaly see it but also dont mind it too much

because of the healing yea

[digital robin]

||It's a bullet hell that forces you to be on a smaller area, and the projectiles are not too annoying||

[misty isle]

Silksong is just overall harder than HK. Like there are some bosses that teleport each second and instead of annoying you can keep up the pace and its fun somehow

Or basic enemy that has 50 different attacks is somehow fair and in correct place

[atomic lintel]

silksong bosses are less tanky

so thats why it works well

[digital robin]

Act 3: What are your 3 PBs?

[native turret]

around the same tbh

[digital robin]

Nice reward

[atomic lintel]

i fucking love this tool

reply unrelated

[tawdry osprey]

Worth

[opal totem]

About to get it

[digital robin]

Once more Reaper and Mech being the MVP

[mental shuttle]

Dude bone bottom just gets shit on the whole game huh?

[atomic lintel]

its so sad

[opal totem]

Yeah

[digital robin]

What is this time?

[opal totem]

||Act 3|| probably

[digital haven]

BEST BOSS ENDING CUTSCENE EVER

I LOVE BELL BEAST SO FUCKING MUCH

[digital robin]

Yea, it has a really cool ending

[digital haven]

||rosary cannon|| better

i ❤️ bell beastie

IMG

||LITTLE THINGS||

[digital robin]

Spoil the spoiler

[opal totem]

It's very bad tbh

[digital robin]

[opal totem]

Takes forever to kill one small enemy

[digital haven]

cooler tho

[mental shuttle]

Remember this foucker

[digital haven]

idek where to get ||silkshot||

[opal totem]

Dlc spoiler

[mental shuttle]

Kills you

[opal totem]

In ||bilewater weavenest|| I think

[mental shuttle]

Theres a what

I need to go back to BW

[opal totem]

There's a secret room you won't ever find because water bad

[mental shuttle]

Fucked up and evil

[digital haven]

theres a what in the where :(

i dont wajt to go back to bw

[opal totem]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/455836779560304650/1217509054323228733/animal.gif

I kinda do

[digital haven]

where is it

and also wheres the uh ||third pale oil||

[opal totem]

What are first two

[digital haven]

||needle sharpening shits||

[opal totem]

I know what they are, I don't know which one you're missing

[digital haven]

oh i got ||gourmand and the one hidden in act 2 citadel||

[atomic lintel]

do you have all fleas

[opal totem]

Then ||flea caravan one||

[digital haven]

oh

theres a flea i havent gotten

theres 2 which idk how to get

3 even

[opal totem]

If you don't know how to get them then they're probably not in an area you're expecting

I was stuck with 3 last ones too

[dim harbor]

somehow i clipped into the wall

and i am stuck

[tawdry osprey]

I have a way to fix it but you won’t like it

[dim harbor]

i mean i just leave?

[tawdry osprey]

Save and quit

Tp to nearest bench

(Not really)

Last bench you saved in

[dim harbor]

yeah i am aware

its not a problem at all, as theres a bench right here anyway, just funny

[digital haven]

what does nuu give for ||journal completion||

[digital haven]

ones in WT :/

[opal totem]

||Cosmetic thing for bellhome||

[blissful obsidian]

GOD

THIS WAS

SO FUCKING PAINFUL

IT WAS JUST FUCKING PATH OF PAIN BUT WORSE

[digital haven]

what about fotf

[opal totem]

||A passive tool||

[blissful obsidian]

man

||who the FUCK invented the parkour challenge for architect's melody||

like holy shit

||that was path of pain but 900% more agonising||

[quartz kettle]

||I just finished the game with|| ||the alternative/weird ending! ||huge act 2 spoilers

[quartz kettle]

||that's way easier than path of pain honestly||

[tawdry osprey]

Cursed?

[blissful obsidian]

atleast in ||path of pain you got healing totems||

||in this you cant even heal because your silk is nonexistent due to clawline||

[quartz kettle]

yeah that

[tawdry osprey]

Cool

[rustic schooner]

"amazing" area design

[misty isle]

There is a bench in the top-right room, inside water

Also yeah this area is plain evil

[rustic schooner]

inside the water?

[rustic schooner]

erm... its actually under the water... /silly

[tawdry osprey]

There

[rustic schooner]

that wouldnt really help

still takes a long time

[tawdry osprey]

Way better than doing the entire region

Isn’t it

[rustic schooner]

it would be good if there was a bench there

instead of just like

30 shards

[mellow sigil]

does ||sherma|| actually have a confirmed gender btw.....

[digital haven]

how to flea?

[rustic schooner]

fle

[mellow sigil]

I saw at least two people who called them a guy
are they a guy????

[rustic schooner]

is there a flea map or something in the game

[serene oxide]

i want to issue a formal apology to the Pale King

[digital haven]

genuinely where is this guy

[digital haven]

yes

[rustic schooner]

wait i remember i think

[serene oxide]

||lifeblood actually fucked wormways up|| act 3 spoilers

[digital haven]

its a guy

[rustic schooner]

in the loing drop i think you have to break wall to the left

[mellow sigil]

ouh alright:0000

[digital haven]

loing

[mellow sigil]

my son

[digital haven]

there is no breakabke wall

thy pants are quite aflame

[rustic schooner]

theres another flea thats exactly like that tho

must be somewhere else

[mental shuttle]

Dash reacquired i can finally play the game

[rustic schooner]

anyways mabye its above the bench?

[mental shuttle]

Jesus Christ this game sucks ass when you dont have a run button

[serene oxide]

where is this

[digital haven]

||slab||

[serene oxide]

ahh

yeah man the flea is right there

[digital haven]

checked

right where

[tawdry osprey]

Just… above

It’s not hidden…

[rustic schooner]

mabye therse a brekable floor below it

[serene oxide]

it is indeed avoce the bench

[serene oxide]

no not really

[digital haven]

i cant get there

[serene oxide]

it's just above the bench

[tawdry osprey]

It’s literally just above

Lol

[tawdry osprey]

Yes you can

[digital haven]

how do i get up there i cant jump high enough

[serene oxide]

double jump

[digital haven]

still cant

[serene oxide]

this vexes me

[digital haven]

oh

i can grab onto the walls

[tawdry osprey]

Omg

[digital haven]

WELL SORRY BUT MOST ARCHES IN THIS GAME ARE UNGRABBABLE

[tawdry osprey]

Just fly up THEN

Learn to fly

[serene oxide]

soar up

[digital haven]

time to get max needle :D

i dont think im missing any fleas

although

i didnt get the achievement

i have all maps tho

[tawdry osprey]

Need the reward for that

[digital haven]

a

i died

where ||diving bell key|| btw

i didnt get my ||pale oil|| D:

[clever furnace]

Where do you find the entrance to ||get the polip heart in act 3||

[opal totem]

You mean ||pollen?||

[clever furnace]

||the dark one ||

For the main quest

[opal totem]

||In the cutscene elevator shaft in underworks||

[clever furnace]

||the gold one that goes up the tube?||

[opal totem]

||The one that's broken now||

[clever furnace]

||I can’t remember the cutscene elevator ||

[digital haven]

hmoor i didnt get my ||oil||

[clever furnace]

Where about is it

[digital haven]

what exactly did you mean by ||caravan|| one

[opal totem]

||I mean get all fleas then get the quest in first shrine from the caravan and complete it||

[digital haven]

oh

[misty isle]

ok damn Silksong took 7 years due to pure attention to detail

[opal totem]

Yeah

[misty isle]

||You can use Needolin to call Bell Beast instead of yelling, and if you save and quit in your home in Bellhart you have special waking up animation||

(late act 2 stuff)

[opal totem]

||There are at least 4 ways to wake it up||

[misty isle]

Not just wake it up, but also make it move between stations

[digital haven]

no quest in SC

[opal totem]

Oh

[opal totem]

Idk wait

Do something else until it appears

Or maybe it was in bellhart

[misty isle]

||Also Needolin can be used on enemies to make them sing too|| (post Bellhart spoilers)

[digital haven]

guh
ok where ||diving bell key||

[opal totem]

Nowhere

Don't worry about it

[misty isle]

||and it can also read minds, since when ant NPC sings its not gibberish||

its just insane

[opal totem]

One of my favorite details

[misty isle]

holy shit

[clever furnace]

[opal totem]

I feel like the amount of attention to detail in games is inversely proportional to the size of the dev team

[clever furnace]

I didn’t know that

[opal totem]

||Cog flies|| have 3 different animations depending on what you're doing, in some AAA game there would only be one

[misty isle]

the fuck you mean this is a secret path

[digital haven]

nothing there either

[misty isle]

Team Cherry was DEVIOUS when hiding some stuff

[clever furnace]

Using aaa games as a reference is like using shit as a reference

[misty isle]

Best boss in the game hidden in a small hole in a ceiling in a dark treasure room

[clever furnace]

||the first sinner?||

[misty isle]

ye

[clever furnace]

Yeah I’m so glad I found it

I’m so pissed the fight didn’t last longer though

Shit boss 37: fight last 30 mins and is absolute torture all the way through
Best boss you’ve ever fight in your life: 2 mins max

[misty isle]

ok does anyone know what tricky spot did Team Cherry use to hide an area here

act 2 spoilers I guess?

[clever furnace]

Are you ||under Bellhart?||

[misty isle]

no

[clever furnace]

What reward do you get for beating it

[misty isle]

its just the most hidden thing ever that requires an act 2 ability in act 1 region and has a single rosary stone

so theres DEFINITELY more

[clever furnace]

How do you get to it?

[misty isle]

its easy, just go through this extremely obvious hidden passage using ||double jump||

[clever furnace]

Wow

Yeah no I’ve definitely not been there before

BRB

Yeah I think it’s just rosaries

You can ||poshanka shakra and she poshankas you back 🥹||

[digital haven]

how do you poshanka

you mean like
taunt?

[digital robin]

Act 3

[native turret]

shit I pressed on it

no damn way

[icy basin]

OH MY GOD

[native turret]

oh my god

I really need to suck it up and keep playing

[digital robin]

Bruh, it's one of the archivements, of course ||there is shroom post-credits scene ending||

[icy basin]

im looking forward to that soon

[native turret]

this makes me happy

[misty isle]

oh wow theres another hidden wall in Bellha its just a single rosary stone again

[icy basin]

lol

[tawdry osprey]

everyoneshould look forward to that

its amazing

[native turret]

silksong is like the best game ever

[icy basin]

literally

[digital haven]

do i need to fight the ||forebrothers to access diving bell..||

[misty isle]

I wonder how many random completely unnoticable holes in ceilings I missed so far

[atomic lintel]

yea

use magma bell

[digital haven]

WHY IS THERE A BOSS FOR EVERYTHINGGGG

[digital robin]

||I fought him in A2||

[misty isle]

Yeah me too

[digital haven]

still

[misty isle]

damage sponges lol

[tawdry osprey]

thats the point of the game...?

[misty isle]

ngl I wish some future update makes bosses drop a lot of money on death. It would certainly help with Pharlooms late-stage capitalism

[digital haven]

fair enough but 90% of my hours has been runback and bossfighting

[misty isle]

might make All Hallownest Enhanced copy for Silksong at some point, but it would require learning The Horrors

[opal totem]

I think current economy is fine

[atomic lintel]

the only part of the economy thats awful is some benches and maps

[opal totem]

Nah

Most paid benches have plenty of enemies that drop rosaries around

[digital robin]

There are too many shops, benches and maps are easy to get by just not losing money and always having 100 or so

||The problem is that there are a lot of people asking for 300+ shop items everywhere and if you try to get everything you need to farm money all the time||

[opal totem]

The problem is that people want to purchase the entire shop the moment they unlock it

[gleaming badger]

tbh in my casual playthrough ||i grinded the citadel enemies for like an hour tops, most of the other money i got from quests or exploration, and by the time i needed to grind was when i was trying to 100% the game||

oh yeah im doing a steel soul run :|

im up to ||greymoor and im scared||

do i wait for ||moorwing to be nerfed...||

[opal totem]

Just hop on beta

[digital haven]

||yall so
i didnt buy the simple key from bone bottom
and the merchants gone.||

what do i do

[opal totem]

||Grindle might be selling it, not sure||

I know he sells some items you've missed

[dim harbor]

how important are upgrades?
||cause i feel like i am slightely unprepared with just reapers crest, and two silk extensions very mediocre charms, and i am collecting the songs in citadel
i feel like i should have more masks or somethign but meh, i am managing ||

[digital haven]

simple key?

[opal totem]

Yeah

[digital haven]

great

[gleaming badger]

you can def ||get a lot of mask shards and spool fragments now, it's more a matter of how much exploration you want to do ||

[digital haven]

do they cost more.

[digital robin]

||If you get the caravan there you skip the fight||

[opal totem]

I feel like you're starting getting more masks only about halfway into the game

Low hp mid game is basically normal

[dim harbor]

i feel like i did a lot of exploration but apparently not enough
and i am just running around with ||nearly base kit||

[opal totem]

||Crafting kit|| upgrades are easy to get, you should get those at least

[gleaming badger]

check rooms that seem to have open entrances you havent gone to yet, they are full of goodies

[dim harbor]

thats fair, it just feels like in around ||18 hours/ mid game i should have atleast some upgrades||

[dim harbor]

i think i got one of those, but i lost ||500 money so couldn t get the second upgrade sadly||

||got a bit unlucky at lava section||

honestly i will try to go with that as far as i can
just cause

who needs upgrades when you have skill/j

[digital robin]

The neferious vertical difficulty spike incoming

[dim harbor]

when you got nothing to lose, it don t matter

[digital haven]

idk how to get last ||oil|| :( if i have to do the ||flea carnaval games|| then im giving up ||flea bounce|| is too hard

[gleaming badger]

unfortunately...

[clever furnace]

If you equip ||shakras throwing rings the taunt changes||

[digital haven]

how much score do i have to get..

[native turret]

you're probably just using the wrong ||crest||

[gleaming badger]

check the ||scoreboard|| tbh i think the ||game is a lot easier when you realize you can use the silk line to buy some time in the air before you double jump||

[native turret]

I switched from ||wanderer|| to ||reaper|| and got it second try

after failing for an hour

[clever furnace]

Discord has got to fix showing spoilered images

[digital haven]

wait i was reffering to the wrong one
i meant juggle

[clever furnace]

How do I find him

[gleaming badger]

ohhhh yeah

[native turret]

oh

[gleaming badger]

||that one is easier when you focus on which direction your nail slash sends the fleas||

[clever furnace]

||Over 30||

[native turret]

then get good idk I got it first try

[digital robin]

||Above "Utopia"||

[native turret]

it was the easiest one for me

[gleaming badger]

||you want to focus on getting all of the fleas to follow the same direction, too much distance is a death sentence||

[clever furnace]

Equip ||wanderers crest || it reallly helped me

[digital haven]

i dont even have it, never bothered to get it

[gleaming badger]

||beast crest also works well, i used it to finish the game||

[icy basin]

fr

[digital haven]

do i need to get more than ||mooshka?||

[clever furnace]

||It really helps because of the faster swings. Equip a nail extender and it has good range too||

[serene oxide]

hello hornets

[mellow sigil]

wtf is even happening in ||bilewater||

[digital robin]

Equip ||Mech crest||, if you are precise the long range means you have a big parry window

[clever furnace]

Mech????

[serene oxide]

stuff

[digital robin]

||Architect||

[clever furnace]

Oh

[digital robin]

I would say is a pretty decent option for all challenges

due to staying in the air when pogoing and long range

[clever furnace]

No way

[digital haven]

i was one away ;-;

[digital robin]

||Reaper is also really good for the same reason + easier to aim poggo||

[clever furnace]

||Reaper is good for the pogo aim||

[digital robin]

||I don't know if it's A3 or where it goes if you don't kill in the OG room but I found the bettle-bull again, left of the big "fall" from Greymoor and the bell station, in Far Fields||

[atomic lintel]

||yea i am pretty sure this is a a3 thing||

[opal totem]

||I think a new one spawns there even if you killed it pre act3||

[digital robin]

I wonder if the A1/2 appears there or it's just gone

[serene oxide]

there's a secret room in ||Moss Grotto right in the beginning where a bug is wrapped in voidsilk||

a secret room above the secret room

[hollow laurel]

Interesting

[native turret]

(late game spoilers) anybody got any hints on how to find the ||crystal caverns pinstress|| talks about

[misty isle]

(act 2 endgame spoilers) ||Did First Sinner again since why not, and apparently Hunter crest lunge into dive is beyond cracked||

[digital robin]

Yea, it's always pretty good when they don't teleport everywhere or has a punish attack

[hardy jolt]

||what act are you on||

[barren ingot]

it avoids most punishes if you dont do a pogo and just run backwards

[native turret]

||3||

[barren ingot]

even the ||lace parry|| (Act 2) cant catch you if you dash attack into it and run backwards

[native turret]

I dont think she mentions it before ||act 3||

[hardy jolt]

||do you have silk soar|| potential spoilers for you

[native turret]

ye

[hardy jolt]

||okie look for light that maybe shouldnt be there||

[native turret]

hmmm is it on the bottom, middle of top part of the MF map?

[hardy jolt]

i think its middle-bottom iirc

[native turret]

went through it 3 times and dont feel like jumping around for the fourth again

[hardy jolt]

def not top

[native turret]

oh good means I dont have to climb back up

[misty isle]

Teleporting? Run into them with the lunge. Counters? Run into them with lunge, it will automatically cause you to be airborne

[native turret]

oh I think I just found it

[digital robin]

Counters like ||Judge||

Or start spitting in your face like ||Groal||

[misty isle]

What counter does that boss even have

[digital robin]

Not parry counters, I mean an attack to punish being in their face all the time

[misty isle]

I uh

Did that boss that way

It melted in less than a minute

[native turret]

never mind

[misty isle]

You just stay in the face of ||Judge|| constantly and only run back during the circle attack and thats it

Thats the entire boss

When using Hunters crest at least

[native turret]

oh I see what you mean now

[atomic lintel]

they did Seth such good justice for a kickstarter backer charcater

wish we had silksong godhome so i could refight it

[clever furnace]

Where is seth?

I still haven’t found him

[atomic lintel]

its on the true ending route

[clever furnace]

||act 3?||

[native turret]

ayeeee

[digital robin]

You already did that thing?

[native turret]

I got it randomly idk

I've been carrying it around for a while

kept forgetting about it

idr where it was

[digital robin]

It was found in ||Abyss nest|| I think

[digital haven]

got third ||oil||

[native turret]

ah yea I wanted to explore it as much as I could

[digital haven]

anyone know where The Guy is?

[native turret]

I have one more ||spell, red tool and blue tool|| left

[digital haven]

where ||pinmaster plinney||

[native turret]

||left side of the shellwood||

[digital haven]

aight ty :D

[native turret]

man i wanna do more stuff but Im so sleepy today

||act 3 bellhart|| music makes me even more sleepy

so jealous

[mellow sigil]

her ass is NOT playing that organ

[native turret]

tickling the keys

how do I google the ost without getting blasted with super endgame spoilers

[barren ingot]

just go on the team cherry youtube channel

they have it posted

[native turret]

oh true

[digital robin]

Then YT will start bombard you with Silksong Spoilers

[hardy jolt]

MACHINE, I WILL CUT YOU DOWN

[native turret]

time to stay in the subscribed tab forever

or well until Im done with the 12% I have left

[digital robin]

Just search it in an incogni tab

[native turret]

oh too late

[mellow sigil]

wait I didnt know ||phantom|| fight gives a new skill I thought its for progression only just like ||the last judge||

[digital haven]

what did placing ||cogwork heart|| do

[mellow sigil]

maybe ||the last judge actually does need more of a reward if phantom gives it...... ||

[digital robin]

Naa, she gives the ||parry|| since is harder to get

[digital haven]

ooh which skill
maybe its worth doing

[mellow sigil]

||cross stitch :P||

[digital haven]

what it do

[hardy jolt]

||its a parry||

[mellow sigil]

duh

[digital haven]

oh

[hardy jolt]

duh is crazy

[mellow sigil]

I just got it I didnt get to use it yet

[mellow sigil]

WHAT IM SORRY

[native turret]

it's bit hard to use imo

[mellow sigil]

I WAS WRITING THE SAME IN LONGER FORM

[digital haven]

@hardy jolt can you enlighten me

[native turret]

I like the ||dash through enemies spell|| more

[hardy jolt]

||placing as in giving it to the guy? he awake now!! thats about it||

[native turret]

new frien

[digital haven]

that one deals quite a lot of damage

[digital haven]

no quests? no nuthin?

[hardy jolt]

nope

[mellow sigil]

?????

[barren ingot]

the hornet moveset would translate quite well to smash bros

[native turret]

maybe something will happen in the future

[hardy jolt]

not that i can remember atleast

[digital haven]

oh my god fr

[native turret]

||you get a little boss fight later that's a quest from the guy||

[hardy jolt]

||idk how it would be obvious that its a parry just by hearing the nam ||

[hardy jolt]

||for some reason i cant remember that at all ||

[native turret]

dam

[hardy jolt]

@digital haven

[native turret]

||it's the same as the pinstress where she asks you to kill her and you refuse||

actually they are very similar

for some reason

[digital haven]

oh
what it give

[hardy jolt]

oh i think i remember that happening then

[native turret]

||same charge attack, same request||

[native turret]

that I dont remember

[digital haven]

boowomp

[mellow sigil]

I wasnt saying its obvious I just said yes😭😭😭😭

cuz I was writing the same and you were first

[native turret]

maybe it's a similar case like with ||cogwork dancers||
||a soul of one of the pinstress sisters trapped in a machine||

[hardy jolt]

oh i thought you said duh as in duh obviously

[native turret]

or they were just taught the same stuff

[hardy jolt]

||im so sad we didnt get to use the x slash||

[native turret]

true...

it would be a fitting reward for that fight

[full vale]

.... cocoon...

[native turret]

bro that was 3 days ago

[hardy jolt]

.... cocoon...

[full vale]

true

also

the game i was gonna mention

GETS ME TIMED OUT NOOOOO

(i mean fair it IS that game after all)

(but fuuuuuckkk)

[mellow sigil]

what else is it??? a silk coil???????

[native turret]

sobbing

[full vale]

sure

[mellow sigil]

no its a cocoon

[full vale]

it's an enemy from the forbidden game

that

i don't think anyone here knows

maybe

idk

[mellow sigil]

oh thats what you meant

[mellow sigil]

huh a game name gets timed out???

what kind of game is that

[storm garnet]

another epic platforming failure featuring fan favorite character CapsLock

act 2 oilers

[full vale]

well, try imagining the content in it if it makes you timed out

[full vale]

real...

i still need to do the ||food quest||

i don't want to do the ||food quest||

I DON'T WANT TO DO THE ||FOOD QUEST|| AAAAA

gets dragged to hell

oh wait

i should spoil this give me a second

frogo

sorry chat

[mellow sigil]

seems like I guessed this game because I also got timed out

[full vale]

LOL

[native turret]

there's a couple that are banned cuz of inappropriate content or bad history

[full vale]

yeah the game i mentioned has the former

[native turret]

do the ||food quest|| 🫵

[full vale]

NO I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO DO IT

[opal totem]

Ask the guy, he'll tell you

[native turret]

yea

I also did it all while just exploring every region there is

or well ||that was available at the time||

[mellow sigil]

how do I even get in ||bilewater||.......

[native turret]

and just bumped into the items

[mellow sigil]

||the room before exhaust organ was bizarre||

[full vale]

which guy, 400 guys exist

[native turret]

I loved ||the mist||

[native turret]

the quest giver

[opal totem]

The guy who gave you the quest

[native turret]

you can ask for hints for a quest from any quest giver

[full vale]

oh

ah

ohh this is how you get the ||vault's song||

[serene oxide]

oh I thought ||the caverns were just that one cave with the flea||

[storm garnet]

ouhhh this arena sucks
A2 broilers

[atomic lintel]

this arena is actual kino

[full vale]

yeahhh

[clever furnace]

I’m pretty sure you can get ||zaza and the other guy to fight with you ||

Idk how

[full vale]

just got goosebumps

OHHHH

THE

THEME OF THIS AREA IS THE ||CYLINDER|| ONE

[digital robin]

Why does every game needs a ||"I'm sad, wife dead"|| boss?

[full vale]

idk

[full vale]

i like the ||sentinel||

[barren ingot]

I fought this boss

[void prawn]

You mean

[hardy jolt]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAa

[void prawn]

You died to it

It's unbeatable

[barren ingot]

I got a call back and have an interview scheduled for thursday

I won

[storm garnet]

are you kidding me
A2 soilers

[barren ingot]

would you like The Cheese

the Forbidden Knowledge

[storm garnet]

yes

[barren ingot]

||use the indefinite wallhang trinket to sit on the upper corner of the walls, and swing when they do a leap towards you. you are completely safe from all of their attacks there, and can chip their HP.||

the ||trinket is purchasable in Songclave||

if you dont have it

[storm garnet]

i dont have it yet but it sounds useful

[void prawn]

How I feel being on A1 barely being able to read anything

[barren ingot]

where ya at? 🙂

[void prawn]

Just beat ||moorwig|| but I'm currently just doing wishes

[storm garnet]

||thje shopkeeper was kidnapped lmfao||

[barren ingot]

nice, nice

prob about halfway through

[void prawn]

Lost 400 roses to that thing

[barren ingot]

go rescue them!!

[barren ingot]

||shouldve made a string||

[shell charm]

Hey gang updates on the Savage Beastfly-Sister Splinter divorce

Beastfly wants custody of the splinters so he can add them as minions

To make his fight even more annoying

[hardy jolt]

[full vale]

hey chat, how the fuck am i supposed to get up here

[shell charm]

He wants to feed his gambling addiction

[barren ingot]

||I can see the door you need to take in that very screenshot||

[full vale]

okay...

thing is

i

can't really get up there

i have ||double jump|| and all that

i can't

i think

i'm prretty sure

[barren ingot]

(bottom middle of the image)

[full vale]

i should tru again

oh?

uh

yeah

that's what i'm talking about

[barren ingot]

oops unspoilered

but yea go there

[full vale]

but yeah i can't get up there

too high

so uhh, ye

[barren ingot]

smh no not there

further down :P

[full vale]

wait what

i thought i explored everything?

[velvet trench]

Damn went looking for the ||wardenflys again but the one in bilewater is already dead even tho this is my first time visiting that room, and the ones in deep docks and greymoor never showed up. Ig benching at the slab does lock you out of the jailbreak sequence, that sucks so much. Might start a new save and speedrun cling grip just to experience it…||

[storm garnet]

choese
A2 oilers

[void prawn]

My favorite the ||AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA|| place

[digital robin]

||High S.|| Arena 🧀

[velvet trench]

Are you sure you ||benched? Cause just went to bilewater and that one was already dead, and the only thing I can think of that locked me out is benching at the slab ||

[full vale]

how do i reach the ||architect||...?

[tawdry osprey]

i dont understand how so many people miss this

its not supposed to be hidden or a secret

[full vale]

well it seems to be because i can't find it with my life

[tawdry osprey]

@full vale

[velvet trench]

||go through the door in the top right||

[tawdry osprey]

see that thing

interact with it

[native turret]

I got ||Shakra|| helping me with it after finishing her quest

[full vale]

pretty sure it's blocked but sure

[tawdry osprey]

its not

[full vale]

it is

[native turret]

you're supposed to go around

go down

[velvet trench]

I got ||garmond and zaza there||

[full vale]

oh

ah, i see then

[native turret]

I had like 3 encounters with them in ||choral chambers|| and I could not get them to help me for the life of me

[velvet trench]

||there’s a fourth in whispering vaults||

[native turret]

ah well

||shakra|| carried me enough

[serene oxide]

hi

[native turret]

tho her projectiles confused me with enemy projectiles so I got hurt a few times because of her

[clever furnace]

||SHAKRA CAN FIGHT WITH YOU???||

Damn I missed out

[native turret]

I love her

[carmine crypt]

i just found a room that insta-crashes your game??????

this happened 3 times a row

[native turret]

which one?

[storm garnet]

watcher release ass room

[carmine crypt]

i try entering it an my game is gone

[carmine crypt]

lemme reload skong and send a ss

[velvet trench]

||so can garmond and zaza ||

[carmine crypt]

this one when u enter through there

it has crashed my game thrice

[native turret]

what the hell

[velvet trench]

Odd, never had issues w that room

[native turret]

neither did I

[carmine crypt]

i didnt the first time i was in ||hunters march||

but now that im revisiting it

its crashing me

every time

[tawdry osprey]

just delete the crash trigger

should do the trick

[storm garnet]

Olalas!
A2 broilers

[carmine crypt]

ykw

fourth times the charm im trying it a gain

i wanna go in that room

[native turret]

hornet's theme silksong edition 🥹

[carmine crypt]

AAAAAND IT CRASHED MY GAME

AGAIN

[native turret]

it's nice to hear it again

[digital robin]

I killed ||Green P. on half-accident (apparently it can give an ¿alternative? heart)|| and then I see ||Seth is actually alive / reborn||?

HUH

[carmine crypt]

LET ME ENTER THE DAMN ROOM

[native turret]

I dont remember where it plays tho

[foggy grotto]

how do I progress further through this room?

I can't ||refresh silk fast enough to spear both enemies||

[full vale]

holy fuck

[velvet trench]

You can, you ||get silk from striking the first w the grapple||

[full vale]

goosebumps

[foggy grotto]

right

ok

[digital robin]

||Mix String with poggos, if it doesn't work, get silk from some easy enemy (there is one on the left of the bench that can be killed for free basically||

That is what you do in general, like Chiki said ||Hooking a enemy doesn't consume silk||