RWSC B-Side Coordination 🙂

[onyx pine]

To note for anyone finding this if it stays up into the future; completing this will not grant you any roles, and cannot be submitted through the official sheet. It is a separate project to be done for your own fun. 🙂

[chilly knot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1259929159711326258/1401403320031252642/EelLizardParty0g.gif

[onyx pine]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15jJeP5EB1ZBYpeiPQxZ7EYN_aiAByqJO0QnDW87fCiM/edit?usp=sharing

main sheet link

[onyx pine]

invisible topapopato spotted

[chilly knot]

i summoned them through that gif

[muted basin]

[onyx pine]

@median knot do you think your Journey B-Side is feasible to be a challenge? It seems a tad difficult to me but I dunno if your other route is easier or something

[onyx pine]

hello sniffer

[stuck zodiac]

Howdy

[knotty wave]

🙂

[stuck zodiac]

Commitement B-side idea: As Inv, reach OE tree ending in under 390000 minutes

[knotty wave]

That's a good one

[median knot]

sending you the message link since I don't wanna type out everything again #downpour-server-challenges message

7 is def possible, but I feel it's kinda pointless since og journey has 6 regions already

I also proposed to maybe change it to 5p -> moon or vice versa, but that's already mcool's challenge sooo

[stuck zodiac]

Whats the route?

Also prep or no prep?

[median knot]

all prep allowed

[median knot]

there are multiple that are/were in testing, mine was -UW-CC-HI-SU-DS-GW-SL-SB/SH, but the furthest I would be able to make it would be SL

soum was testing -DS-SB-SL-GW

it may also be worth testing with hunter for extra movement speed + jetfish carry, but the creature spawns might be too much

also why is this a thread in DP challenges when all the challenges here are vanilla

[median knot]

just to be clear you don't have to start in SS or take that route, but tbh I don't think there is anything faster than descending wall/CC

[stuck zodiac]

I think extra movement and spear slot is far bigger upside than creature spawns, especially since you can use prep to go around most of the problems

[median knot]

yeah it could be worth a shot, but idk if ppl will agree to take a surv/monk challenge and make it hunter "exclusive"

I might test it again with hunter + liz rep later, if I get to it today

[stuck zodiac]

I think maybe SS-UW-CC-HI-SH-SL-SB-DS could work?

[median knot]

sure it could be worth a shot! feel free to try or I'll try it myself sometime

[stuck zodiac]

SS to HI is just falling, SH gate is close to SH and has flat surfaces for eijumping, SH itself is generally fast tk go through (especially since you can explosion boost past a lot of stuff) and then jetfish until the end

[median knot]

oh wait nvm, it's only 7 regions. the region you shelter in doesn't count (since it's "ENTER 8 regions")

you'd need 1 additional region

[stuck zodiac]

Oh

[ripe root]

Hi chat

No gifs allowed

[onyx pine]

@median knot idea

I recall seeing a challenge idea a while back where you visit every region in one cycle but with an increased cycle time multiplier via remix

do you think that could work?

[median knot]

yeah that def works

I had this idea for b-side nomad, maybe it could be used for this instead?

[onyx pine]

I remember trying to see if itd be possible to cross every gate in one cycle at some point

I do not remember the result

but thatd be good for a nomad thing

[lapis hatch]

just saw the candidates for <@&710572930102460486>, am sad to see my suggestion lost the vote

[mild grove]

bee

[broken summit]

out of curiosity, are the b-sides gonna continue in chronological order?
(meaning the next batch would be ascension, passages, enlightenment, pilg and saint)

[mild grove]

last time checking that's the plan, though I vaguely recall plans to mix some msc in since otherwise it'd take a year

[granite cipher]

dam two of my made it as version B.
i feel like B outlaw the 3k points one is slightely too many points.
but well i won t complain

[onyx pine]

playtest! we can still tweak the values on all of em.

[granite cipher]

true

[tacit plinth]

unread thread jumpscare

[knotty wave]

How could you

[stuck zodiac]

I think it would be cool if individual challenge ideas that are popular got their own threads

Could make organising convos once challenge idea stuff becomes public a bit easier

[mild grove]

sleepover bside sleep with unique lizards cause they are friend and wait this is just friend with extra steps

[novel merlin]

sleepover B side: sleep with 10 yellow lizards in a shelter at once

(though not sure where you get the food for the exterior yellows)

[mild grove]

it might be very interesting to tame 5 oranges in exterior ball room and bring them all to chimney for no particular reason at all

[misty marsh]

@median knot am i cooking

[median knot]

I mean you can try, but I think getting thru SI + LF alone will take 8 to 10 minutes already

I could try this route myself too

[misty marsh]

This route is just triplopia but very quick garbage wastes visit

I think it should be possible

You have to do the triplopia part quick, but possible

I haven’t tested it yet I’ll try it when I get back home tonight

[misty marsh]

Hm it should also be easier since no hunter spawns

[median knot]

Ah

@misty marsh I forgot to tell ya (I made this bside an eternity ago) it's enter 8 region so the starting region doesn't count

[misty marsh]

Oh that’s wonderful

Back to routing

[median knot]

7 is def possible soum and me both got it I believe

[misty marsh]

I do have some ideas, I’ll draw them on a map once I can

[misty marsh]

Hm do they have to be different regions

Don’t remember exact wording

[median knot]

I don't remember what I wrote down, but the intent was to enter 8 unique regions/gates yeah

[misty marsh]

So 8 unique regions

I want to test this for a while because it sounds very interesting

[median knot]

The last time we talked about this challenge we decided that it's probably impossible without MSC, not sure what became of it tho, I'll let Kalum decide what they wanna do with it

[misty marsh]

Msc would indeed make it very posible

[median knot]

Ya, sadly b-sides can't change categories

[misty marsh]

But I’m not giving up on vanilla journey b-side before trying

[median knot]

I should get back to testing too, it's my bside after all lmao

Thanks for testing

[onyx pine]

rare thread revival

I figured this would stay dead for at least another couple of months

[misty marsh]

the idea of crossing 8 different regions just sounded way too funny

[onyx pine]

I think you should just change it to 9 without the 'enter' thing then, to make the wording less confusing

[tacit plinth]

unread thread jumpscare??

[knotty wave]

Unreads your thread

[stuck zodiac]

Hello fellow unread thread readers

[knotty wave]

Hello

How are yall

[stuck zodiac]

feeling nice, cant wait for watcher challenges

[knotty wave]

Idk what those are

[misty marsh]

@median knot quick little update this route is completely possible as i just did it in a laptop without even using a single eslide and like 10 millions timelosses so thats 7 regions

do you think it could ever be posible to start from SS and get the same route from there

because getting this wasnt hard at all, i did use a grapple worm to speed through CC and SI tho

i may have to segment this and do like a theoretical perfect run to test

[median knot]

I was talking about the number of regions since 8 seems impossible at the moment, but I can change the wording too next time on the spreadsheet

[median knot]

It might, tho the top of UW takes valuable time. Worth a shot tho imo (btw you can also store bubbleweed in your stomach and hold it once you don't need the grapple anymore to buy yourself a bit more time)

[misty marsh]

I’ve tested 3 routes

The only that seems viable with insane movement and doing everything is that one

As the grapple makes you speed SI and CC

[median knot]

Yeah I'll probably sit down and test it myself once I get home from work

[misty marsh]

It’s worth a shot testing it imo, if one looks possible it’s this one

Didn’t get much time for it yesterday since I wasted ~1 hour testing every individual route to find the best one

[misty marsh]

i tried the other one, grapple worm was unnecesary and did basically nothing, had it from testing the other, replace with vulture mask https://youtu.be/DlAztmzPA9M

[onyx pine]

omg @median knot why arent we using the gate timer reset glitch

[median knot]

I just assumed it was disallowed for all challenges

[onyx pine]

anything is possible

I think that would be a fun premise

[misty marsh]

What is that how does that work

[median knot]

Hmm alright, I'll consider it

[onyx pine]

with Extra Tutorials: the tutorial iggy does where it shows a slugcat hologram standing in the gate resets the rain timer. shrimple as that

only appears when it's your first time passing certain gates

[median knot]

How many exactly?

[misty marsh]

Just like that? Nothing special to do?

I just go to a gate with extra tutorial?

[onyx pine]

people have done it on accident during despicable/myco

[misty marsh]

i though it had some kind of setup

[median knot]

That's why extra tutorials is disallowed

[onyx pine]

I know OS-IC, but I think maybe one other ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[misty marsh]

i know there was a infinite cycle glitch related with that and extra tutorial and yeah thats why it was disallowed

i didnt know it just, happened

[median knot]

I think some ppl encounter it in HI-GW too

[misty marsh]

did you just use os-ic for su-hi wow

it took me a while to get it

ok so that gives you infinite time? then it just becomes a challenge of visiting regions without dying?

[median knot]

Would need to be a starting cycle challenge and with only 1 gate I don't rly see much of a benefit considering you lose SS-UW-CC-HI

[median knot]

No it resets the time for each gate the glitch is triggered

[misty marsh]

oh

oh so it resets

[median knot]

Ya

[onyx pine]

you could upgrade it to "visit every region in one cycle"

that would be a fun gimmick

[misty marsh]

i could test that when i get home

[onyx pine]

maybe a bit overkill, though

[median knot]

Again depends on how many gates the glitch triggers at. If it only triggers in the first 2 regions and not after it's pretty pointless

[onyx pine]

the idea would be based upon doing some loop before returning and resetting to do another

OS-FA-SB-DS-OS-(reset here)-IC-CC-EX-FP

something akin to that

[misty marsh]

hey thats entering 8 regions maybe the idea works after all

because ive tried the route this morning too and... may not be possible

[median knot]

Alright I'll test it for ya, omw home rn

[misty marsh]

did this reset the timer

[misty marsh]

yeah ok so kinda big problem with this route: scav toll

i have no idea how to skip it from this side and pearl detour takes too much

wait i didnt try to pay with spears

might be dumb

i still think LF is problematic but ill try for a while

[misty marsh]

Back to the drawing board, i can barely make it to sub let alone do drainage-outskirts

[median knot]

@onyx pine alright status report: the good news is the glitch activates whenever you reenter SU which is rly rly good, the bad news is I don't have a route that works yet.. my idea was SU-HI-SH-SL-GW-DS-SU and then do the 2nd loop, but the furthest I got was the start of DS so I'm not sure how much time you can save in the other regions (the entire LF-SB route on the first loop seems rly long to me lol). I wanna try SU-HI-GW-DS-SU-HI-CC-SI-LF-SU-DS-SB-SL the following days which is also 9 regions

[misty marsh]

i have an idea

i just came up with an idea

but

does extra tutorial glitch only work on starting cycle?

@median knot

or is it gate linked

[median knot]

don't think so, but idk for sure

[misty marsh]

if its gate linked this might work

you get to starting shelter from HI, cycle reset at DS-SU gate and get to five pebbles from there

[median knot]

wait where do you start?

[misty marsh]

gw-sl gate shelter

you do SL-SB-DS-SU (RESET) - HI - CC - UW - SS

[median knot]

also I'm pretty sure the glitch won't work anymore if you cross a gate and shelter. you'd have to activate them all on the same cycle

[misty marsh]

hmmm

then this doesnt work

[median knot]

yeah

[misty marsh]

that was my initial question

im still drawing posible routes

[median knot]

sry I thought you had plans to prep things in SU or something, since idk if it needs to be on starting cycle or not

you just can't leave anywheree

[misty marsh]

huh so wait the "no starting cycle required" may help

i can get outskirts prep

but to do what

back to the drawing board!

[median knot]

farm liz rep maybe? but you could also just use monk

[misty marsh]

i can farm liz and scav rep

idk what that allows tho

also these two gates are the only ones with reset

LF doesnt get reset

[median knot]

safer traversal, not needing to pay at scav tolls..

[median knot]

LF one doesn't reset? did you test that?

[misty marsh]

yes

i tested

you dont get a reset at LF

[median knot]

hmm this is worse then I thought then

[misty marsh]

i was trying this rout

the one kalum proposed, but LF doesnt get a reset then deer rng makes LF take half a cycle min

that route is not viable

[median knot]

ig it has to be SU-HI-SH-SL-GW-DS-SU-LF-SI-CC-UW-SS then

[misty marsh]

the problem is

well

everything

that route up until second SU visit sounds impossible...

ill have to test but doesnt sound promissing

[median knot]

or SU-HI-SH-SL-GW-DS-SU-HI-CC-UW-SS thats also 9 regions

[misty marsh]

are you sure SU-HI-SH-SL-GW-DS is even possible

[median knot]

I made it into DS, if I improve some segments and find better starts it might be barely possible

[misty marsh]

those are very time consuming regions

ugh

how far into DS

DS is very time consuming

[median knot]

start of DS, 3 rooms in from GW

[median knot]

you could use the bubble weed in DS to buy some extra time

[misty marsh]

this alone can take 1:30...

you need a lot of timesave

idk

like, im in, im gonna test it

its just inicial thoughts

[median knot]

I would go like this instead but yeah it takes a while... I wish vanilla had the pole in the 3rd pipe

[misty marsh]

yeah that is extremely evil

even the lack of that pole is making this hard

would be such a timesave

[median knot]

maybe there is a way to get up there? item regrab wall climb? but the overhang makes it impossible

[misty marsh]

that would be way to weird im gonna be honest

even if the challenge was posible like that i dont think its a good idea to have this as the viable route if it requires something like that THERE

[median knot]

alright I'm gonna head to bed I'll try to come up with stuff in the coming days

[onyx pine]

no CTWC?

[misty marsh]

ill test your route

[median knot]

waterpit + overhang

[misty marsh]

hm

actually if you counted second HI visit as a region revisit this could be "easy"

[median knot]

would be boring as hell tho not much different from og journey which already has 7 regions

[misty marsh]

i know its not the original intent buuuuuuut

wording never says different ones, maybe change that

[median knot]

fineeee

ah I can no longer edit the sheet nvm 💥

[misty marsh]

🥹

also og journey has 6 regions btw

(entered ones)

[median knot]

@onyx pine pls change 'enter 8 regions in one cycle' to 'visit 9 unique regions in one cycle' when you can, thanks

[median knot]

which are we counting now?? entered or visited

[misty marsh]

entered 6 visited 7

og journey

[median knot]

well b-side journey is enter 8, visit 9 (for now)

I already proposed lowering the amount and we'll might have to do that

alright I'm gone now good night

[misty marsh]

you think making it starting cycle with this route would be cool?

or just enable people to do their 8 route originalities

there are a ton of viable 8 region routes i think

well i guess youll answer tomorrow asdjkdjsa good night

[onyx pine]

?remindme #1393678736724983920 message in 16 hours

[proven shadow]

Alright, I'll remind you in 16 hours (<t:1760105663>).

[median knot]

Yeah the way I intended the challenge to be was having more freedom and being able to choose your own little route and come up with cool stuff (like LF journey), but the way the chall is rn it got kinda lost

[misty marsh]

We may have to test this new thing for a while but I like being able to come with 7 (8) region travels

[median knot]

Yeah but then it's pretty much just journey + 1 region and idk what to think of that

[tall olive]

High Road Route

[lapis hatch]

Does this make sense for Ornaments? My thought process remembered the bees from the beehives glow like christmas tree lights or something like that

I thought it was a funny idea but i dont know how easy it is or if its fitting for ornaments

[onyx pine]

lol that would be a bit funny

99% prep tho 🤔

[lapis hatch]

also my power went out for a moment while trying to ask this

[onyx pine]

oh but speaking of B-Sides, I had a funnier idea for <@&710574101554659430> earlier

bringing scavs to another scav-region so they all show up at the toll in that region as a Mega Toll™

[lapis hatch]

fair point, i dunno

[onyx pine]

oh wait I misread it as 10 beehives

[novel merlin]

unfortunately I think tolls are capped with how many scavs go to them

[onyx pine]

I don't necessarily think b-sides need to be more difficult than the original but that does strike me as a bit trivial

[novel merlin]

extras are sent out as wandering scav packs

[onyx pine]

😔

[lapis hatch]

i was gonna replace the vulture with a squidcada and have it last a whole cycle but that sounds really tedious

[novel merlin]

you can see how immediately after wiping this toll and going back for my drug the scavs quickly replenished their forces