deltarune ch3-4 (soiler warning)

[finite phoenix]

and i think toby would know how to write one well

the original theory also provides an idea on what potentially happened to dess

in that maybe dess was caught up in going darker than dark, going deeper and deeper into layers of fiction before they were trapped, presumably in the """unused""" strings

[hasty sapphire]

I think it's going in the opposite direction

Fiction "leaking" into the real world rather than there being deeper levels of fiction

May be related to why Toby wants to make darkners merch only

[rapid flame]

i would sell my soul for susie plushie

[hasty sapphire]

I would sell mine for Ralsei

Real one, not plush

[broken solstice]

Have you tried stabbing the ground really hard

[tardy pawn]

They finally released tennaware

[supple belfry]

epiko

[crimson wyvern]

||why is doing this without misses on hard mode harder than no hitting the roaring knight || ch 4

[clear sparrow]

wawa

[supple belfry]

basically ||you're getting Knocked Down real hard||

[crimson wyvern]

true...

[woven tulip]

it seems more like ||it was here all the time. the church’s religion is the same legend as what darkners have, but incomplete. not as direct, but dark worlds definitely were always relevant. ||

[hasty sapphire]

I don't mean prophecy

[woven tulip]

well, it’s directly about the dark worlds

[hasty sapphire]

I'm talking more about what the game is setting the plot up for and possible events of final prophecy

Not that the prophecy leaked from the dark world

[woven tulip]

i’m saying, ||dark worlds aren’t really "fiction". they seem like it, but it’s only because it didn’t affect the light world as much before (after all, the first dark world is an unused classroom, nobody was there or would check it). i mean, they are superficially fictional , it’s just all magic and weirdness makes them feel unrelated to the light world, but it’s not true. and the prophecy being in the light world is a proof for it to be pretty well known thing (even though they probably have no idea what it is exactly about )||

[hasty sapphire]

||Idk Ralsei told me they're not real and I trust him||

You probably have a point here but I'm too tired to comprehend it

[mild hull]

||the game also sets up susie's counterargument to that as a valid point though||

[hasty sapphire]

I'm not sure I see it

Not in a literal sense at least

[finite phoenix]

for a world that's apparently entirely fake, it sure seems to have lasting consequences for those in the light world

berdly either loses their arm or gets snowgraved, you can take noelle's watch
every time you're in the dark worlds for chapter 1 and 2, toriel mentions she couldn't get a call through to you while in there
||Susie somehow learns from the pippins and shadowguys how to repair tenna||
||we keep the black shard when going into the light world||
||undyne was taken from a dark world into the real shelter with another dark world by the knight||

[hasty sapphire]

Most of those are results of actions of lightners (real people) in dark world so makes sense to me

[finite phoenix]

not to mention that as far back as chapter 1 and 2, the shadow crystals are showing things that should be physically impossible

kris seeing through their hand for example

[quartz spindle]

||"MY DELTARUNE"||

https://youtu.be/J1tjNgU7oEA?si=FEhxkk9qYFXwP5O5

[crimson wyvern]

LMAO

CAN I HAVE THE SERVER

[quartz spindle]

It's a personal server but I made the image

[crimson wyvern]

ooooh :3

[weary granite]

The final prophecy is just the release of touhou 15

[woven tulip]

not the final

we don’t know one before the final

[weary granite]

True

Its Touhou 13

[leaden glacier]

no actually i ate the final prophecy surely this won’t have any adverse effects

[weary granite]

WAIT NO ITS GLA-

Oop, they're dead

[leaden glacier]

(i’m aware it respawns

👻

[weary granite]

Anyone know how to hide a body?

[woven tulip]

the only consequences are for you

[woven tulip]

also if you get damage in the dark world, you would have lower hp in the light world (if you leave castle town with not max hp)

(it works the other way too)

[woven tulip]

dark worlds just "seem like fantasy", they aren’t actually fictional .

ralsei may refer to ||that darkners are objects in the light world, and so they can’t be "real friends" (in the light world)||

[leaden glacier]

it’s still Happening you’re just witnessing it through a (dramatically) different lens i think.

everything corresponds to Something in the light world after all. probably. i don’t know what the egg man would be

[hasty sapphire]

I'm not denying that there's some "magical" element to dark world but for the most part I still see them as fiction

[mild hull]

literally just an egg

that's why there isnt a man there after you get it 😌

[woven tulip]

maybe it’s a lightner actually

[leaden glacier]

dealmaker esque ordeal perhaps….

[leaden glacier]

oh perchance

[hasty sapphire]

Dark worlds don't exist on their own, they're given from by a lightner and seemingly only exist in their presence, darkners aren't able to cause significant physical impact on the light world on their own

Generally I don't find focusing on the magic of dark world being "real" as interesting for the future of the story as "fiction may not be real but it can have a real impact on you"

Even Susie later in ch3 admits that all of that is not real but it just doesn't matter to her

[leaden glacier]

i mean i feel like berdly’s arm is a pretty darn significant impact but otherwise i can see what you mean

[hasty sapphire]

And I'm much more interested in how Susie might try to perpetuate the existence of dark worlds via creating more fiction in the future rather than somehow making dark worlds more literally real

[hasty sapphire]

You attacked berdly, it doesn't go numb because queen did anything to him

[leaden glacier]

can’t you just attack queen

am i misremembering/genq

i swear you can just attack queen exclusively and he still rips out the wire

[hasty sapphire]

I don't remember for sure either

Guess Berdly ends up taking a hit either way

[leaden glacier]

it’s been a while since i’ve done anything other than just. Loosen it myself

yeagh

[mild hull]

Fun Fact: berdly rips out the wire no matter what you do in the queen battle IF you beat him with violence in the first encounter on the roller coaster

[hasty sapphire]

||The titan wrecking the entire church|| would be a better counterevidence, that I can't really explain other than magic

[leaden glacier]

inchresting

[hasty sapphire]

Oh yeah Berdly does that himself

[finite phoenix]

You attack queen, and eventually berdly removes the wire from themselves, electrocuting their arm in the process

assuming you didn't bump his car to death in fight 1 anyways

[leaden glacier]

tangentially related he/they berdly is awesomes i think btw

[vivid verge]

Oh wait what's the uh results of the poll?

[leaden glacier]

see pins

[vivid verge]

Would you eat a lancer cookie?

[leaden glacier]

i mean it’s just a lancer face shaped cookie innit

i like cookies

[woven tulip]

...but if they aren’t real, why the prophecy exists?

[woven tulip]

they can be used to refer anyone 💔

[leaden glacier]

i’m aware anyone can use they/them pronouns but generally unless a character uses they/them in Canon (which i’m like 90% sure berdly doesn’t, i don’t recall him ever being referred to with they/them) then that goes into headcanon territory. i am saying he/they berdly is a cool headcanon.

[woven tulip]

actually , i mean that "they" is a gender neutral pronoun. so it can be used to refer people of any gender because it doesn’t imply any.

more often, "they" is used for people of unknown gender, but it can be used if it’s irrelevant, to keep it undisclosed, or as a stylistic choice .

which is actually why nonbinary people use it . it’s convenient to use already existing pronouns that are not gendered in any way, instead of inventing pronouns for each specific identity outside of binary.

[leaden glacier]

i’m. Aware of the usage of they/them. i used to use she/they and i use any now. i am nonbinary. i know people who use they/them as either their main pronouns or auxiliary pronouns. but to use it for a character we know the canon pronouns of (with those pronouns Not being they/them ofc) runs into being a headcanon. sure, it might not intentionally be a headcanon, but when there’s not really a Reason to use pronouns that aren’t used in canon it’s. a little weird to for a “stylistic choice” or because it’s “irrelevant”. again, you don’t really need to explain they/them use cases to me.

[woven tulip]

.

it’s actually more from linguistics view . as "they" is genderless, any person can be referred using it, just like with the word "person", or "monarch" (instead of a queen/king).

||the knight in deltarune is referred with "they" because their gender is unknown||, which is a main use of "they", aside of as a preferred pronoun.

it’s indeed unusual to use it for those whose pronouns are known, but it’s not wrong . it doesn’t inherently assert that they have canonically chose they/them as preferred pronouns (in this case, it’s merely a gender neutral way to refer to somebody).

[mild hull]

chat it can be both

[leaden glacier]

hi kalum

sorry

[mild hull]

hi sleepy moh 🐟(cosma/potass) 🪣

[leaden glacier]

i got. way too heated ^_^' my apologies

Bucket…..

[mild hull]

only the real ones know bucket lore

[meager hatch]

Spoilers in my offtopic genderal thread??

/silly

[mild hull]

actually that is true

#server-announcements message have a message link instead

[mild hull]

unsilly and serious

[woven tulip]

it can be

but in this case it’s probably just a gender neutral way to refer

[leaden glacier]

yeagh but we don’t have confirmation from the person using he/they so it shall remain a mystery :mystery:

[mild hull]

if it isnt set in solid stone then that's where a03 steps in 🫴

and honestly even if it is set in stone a03 still has sledgehammers

but that's besides the point

[crude gull]

wuh

did someone refer to berdly with theythem or whats the context

[leaden glacier]

Discussion™ occurred but Low Resolution Black And White Smiley Face Profile Picture stepped in so it’s over now

[woven tulip]

yeah

[crude gull]

why

[woven tulip]

i’m just saying, people can refer to characters with known pronouns as "they", because the pronoun is not gender specific (just like you can call the king a "monarch").

"why"... well, i’m not the them, idk their reasons . it can be just a stylistic choice, as i said, just like how i write mainly in lowercase .

[leaden glacier]

i think it’s probably best to drop this than reiterating points.

[woven tulip]

well, it seems like the person didn’t read what we were talking before

[mild hull]

hey dont be mean 🤏

[crude gull]

wait whos being mean

[vivid verge]

The royal they

[mild hull]

(oh nevermind I misinterpreted that message as being directed to someone else)

[vivid verge]

Also I am break, what's up delta warriors?

[mild hull]

hi break

[woven tulip]

it’s kinda related, royal we and formal you (it’s dead in english) .

[crude gull]

anyways am i allowed to add my opinion?

[vivid verge]

I will ||genoseam|| you

[mild hull]

go ahead

[woven tulip]

it seems like a civil discussion , so yeah

[crude gull]

the issue is that irl there are some people who dont like they/them pronouns

[mild hull]

yeah I was gonna say that 😌

[vivid verge]

I forgir to spoil

[leaden glacier]

it’s c1 you don’t need to spoil

also yeagh sometimes they/them is just progressive flavoured misgendering

which i don’t think it is in this situation

[vivid verge]

But secret boss

[woven tulip]

well, yeah . there are people who don’t like to be referred in a specific way, not just pronouns. just respect uh person’s wishes.

[leaden glacier]

and generally i don’t assume people mean badly if they use they/them and it ends up being that.

[leaden glacier]

reread pins

[vivid verge]

Like the starfield pronouns guy.

[woven tulip]

some people use it in that way . but it’s not inherently bad intentions.

[crude gull]

its not bad intentions but its bad results anywayss

[leaden glacier]

i never said it was inherently bad intentions?

[crude gull]

its a special flavor of selfish ignorance

and selfish ignorance =/= malice

[versed urchin]

hrmmmm this doesn’t smell like deltarune discussion

[crimson wyvern]

🥹 WHY IS THIS SO FUNNY

[crude gull]

its berdly discussion

[woven tulip]

true

[vivid verge]

Because its a grown bald man screaming about something that isn't even mentioned in game.

Uh onto a different topic, star walker is 1000% the Knight.

[woven tulip]

tbh, i’m thinking about the case of what if a person is closeted trans and you would misgender them by referring with their "preferred" pronouns .

if they don’t like being referred in that way, that’s okay too, of course.

[crude gull]

whar

[crimson wyvern]

||these roaring knights are pissing me off im the original roaring knight||

[versed urchin]

this isn’t the place to argue about these things 💥💥💥

[leaden glacier]

nonono it’s the watercooler in the c room. that’s why it doesn’t wanna become a mizzle

[versed urchin]

pretty please 🥺

[crude gull]

yeah i'm gonna play pressure lol

[leaden glacier]

have fun!

[mild hull]

ok it seems like the majority of chatters want the conversation to end so by popular demand I decree it hath ended

🔨 this is a gavel

metal gavel

[woven tulip]

gravel

[versed urchin]

thank you the ghost of kalum!!!!

[woven tulip]

metal gravel

[versed urchin]

🕊️

[leaden glacier]

Oh is there just not a gavel emoji. that seems. Silly ?? i feel like there should be one

writing up a unicode submission /sillyj i am NOT doing that

[vivid verge]

||these Mike's are pissing me off
Im the original Mike.||

[crimson wyvern]

true...

[vivid verge]

Don't sob emoji me I fixed it

[crimson wyvern]

✨ sob emoji gone

[vivid verge]

Thank you

[versed urchin]

yeah it’s kinda awful 😌

[vivid verge]

Metal gear

[mild hull]

we have 🧑‍⚖️ which pretty much serves its function

[leaden glacier]

ah shrew

[mild hull]

if anything, typing :gavel should just show judge

like how you can type :sad to pull up 😢

[vivid verge]

:pluey

[leaden glacier]

thinking about ||the mikes again actually. wondering about cat petters’ significance to them. friend mike theory real /silly|| c4, secret boss ish ???? not like. the shadow crystal one though

[vivid verge]

||I don't think Toby is saying that Mike/friend is not an important character||

[woven tulip]

they got ||everything of a soul mode except a colored soul 💔||

[mild hull]

||I do think mike isnt important; friend is just a different thing entirely||

[woven tulip]

||friend is important||

[mild hull]

chat do you predict a FRIEND appearance in Chapter 5, 6, 7, or none of the above

[woven tulip]

||mike just worked with spamton and tenna, not really an important character||

[mild hull]

will it perhaps remain as a gaster-esque figure to generate speculation

[vivid verge]

I think friend will have a conclusion.

[woven tulip]

they will appear in a battle with a flavor text:

• Your best friend.
  

[crimson wyvern]

||i think gerson said something about pink and gold flowers when talking about chapter 5 in lord of the hammers so lets go with that :3||

[vivid verge]

And then they go inside you /jilly

[mild hull]

||im curious what the significance of the pink/yellow palette is considering its appearance in quite a few things at this point||

perhaps it all stems from Friend™

[quartz spindle]

Friend? Friend inside me?

[woven tulip]

||"i swear, you people see pink and yellow and think, oh, a friend!!"
— small mike||

[leaden glacier]

i personally think ||friend mike is silly but not entirely unreasonable because. sure tenna isn’t exactly like. Observant when it comes to the mikes but i don’t think you ?? Need to be that observant to notice if your main assistant turns into a fucking cat ??? also yellow/pink is. a noticeable and reoccurring colour scheme. enough for the odd controller to specifically have an “ugly pink and yellow”. it’s a bit odd for pluey to just Have That for i think.
and also i feel like tenna would Dislike pluey if the yellow/pink was irrelevant given. spamton. i’m basically just spitballing here but unless we have Concrete Evidence they’re unrelated i think it’s a fun headcanon i’m basically just playing with touys here though||

[vivid verge]

Maybe the true friends were inside us all along

[crimson wyvern]

indeed

[leaden glacier]

the theory isn’t like. Especially important to me i think it’s just fun

[quartz spindle]

To me it seems like the yellow/pink color scheme seems like a motif very tied to freedom.

I don't think friend is an actual entity or character too be honest.

[woven tulip]

do you think toby called the legend "deltarune" just for all silly dialogues having "deltarune" mentioned in game

[vivid verge]

Also i think deltarune will have more than 1 ending, because on the website Toby seems kinda questioning it

[leaden glacier]

i’ve thought it to be one ending, different connotations depending on the route

[woven tulip]

the ending will be pink and yellow

[vivid verge]

I really don't like the idea that deltarune is actually predetermined by the ||prophecy||

Example

[sudden pilot]

IMO ||the pink and gold gerson references is more tied to the color scheme of asgore in this game||

[quartz spindle]

I think there will be one ending solely in the sense that no matter what the world will end...
But I'm inclined to agree the ||accuracy of the prophecy, especially the ending is suspect||

[mild hull]

||My personal take on mike as a character is that the spamton lines were just there because spamton was imitating tenna (also with the bracketed text presumably being a failed version of tenna's text effects. If we didnt have the context of 4 years of wild speculation, I just dunno what we'd have to go off of||

othre things are possible I think, but I just dont see a whole lot of evidence for any particular interpretation

[crimson wyvern]

i thought toby confirmed deltarune would have only 1 ending

[mild hull]

I don't think you're supposed to

[leaden glacier]

that’s fair yeah

[mild hull]

toby does like double-meanings

take the angel prophecy from undertale

[leaden glacier]

it’s mostly a. until further information i’m headcanoning this but i’m entirely willing to drop it if we get contradicting information on either character, and those are my current reasons for Why i’m headcanoning it as such

[quartz spindle]

Idk gaster's ties to the prophecy make it really weird...

[leaden glacier]

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[sudden pilot]

||the garden of “pink and gold” could be a way to interpret it||

||”pink and gold” being asgore||

[mild hull]

ok im going to go eat food chat good bye

eat your vegetables

[vivid verge]

What if there is like a false ending, like if you don't get all the ||dark crystals|| and/or ||eggs|| and it makes you restart from the beginning

[leaden glacier]

hope it’s tasty

[leaden glacier]

IVE FIGURED IT OUT Low Resolution Black And White Smiley Face Profile Picture IS A VEGETOID.

[vivid verge]

Eat your greens :3

[quartz spindle]

I'll be real at this point I'm thinking the eggs themselves don't/won't really do much.

More the info we get on the way to obtain them that's the actual reward.

[leaden glacier]

i doubt it’d be a restart given eggs are an “issue” and i think seam would’ve mentioned crystals being required; they just seem like something that gives good armor/weapons mostly

[woven tulip]

notice how starwalker can do this text

[woven tulip]

no way eggs are important

the former is literally shown on the chapter selection screen, it definitely matters

[quartz spindle]

I could see shadow crystals being required

Especially with the strange way they work between saves

[woven tulip]

it would be kinda a bad game design

why making us fight 5 harder than any other bosses, just to make one mandatory boss easier

[sudden pilot]

I think that ||the ‘freedom bosses’ will have an impact on the ending in some way, the way they’re all seemingly free from the prophecy’s strings (except maybe one), ESPECIALLY gerson suggesting to defy the prophecy, I think the pure crystal will have a major impact in some way||

[leaden glacier]

i don’t think it’d be much better if they were required though

[woven tulip]

they can be required for some alt ending. you have to do additional things in undertale too, or like any game

[leaden glacier]

like. if you miss the bosses that’d be several extra hours of playtime per boss missed to replay the chapters you didn’t do them in. that’s like number one way to frustrate a player methinks

[quartz spindle]

||Not exactly relevent to your discussion but I really can't shake the theory/idea of Gaster writing the prophecy... even if he didn't write it, his ties are really odd and it makes the "point" of the prophecy different. I definitely need to think on it more tho||

[leaden glacier]

i feel like the prophecy is likely just Really Old like it is in undertale

[woven tulip]

it’s funny because there are like modern things in the prophecy

[leaden glacier]

alt ending would be better though and would be interesting i think

jockington grows The Beard™….

yeagh actually it is. Strangely modern

[woven tulip]

well, yeah. i doubt you can’t finish the game at all without crystals.

maybe it would be a bit worse ending, but the game should be completable without optional things.

[quartz spindle]

Moreso his ties to it...

THREE HEROS APPEARED TO BANISH THE ANGELS HEAVEN
Being specifically in wingdings means there's definitely some kind of connection.

[leaden glacier]

i mean the original message i was replying to definitely seemed to imply you couldn’t finish without the crystals which is what i was arguing against

[versed urchin]

clearly in the alternate all shadow crystals ending seam will make you a cool hat out of them

[leaden glacier]

true !

[woven tulip]

maybe, the wording of the prophecy isn’t set in stone. it’s probably not written in english/japanese, if it was old.

i mean, the meaning would be the same but things wouldn’t be called by their modern names

[leaden glacier]

if you collect an egg though it turns his tools into eggs and you don’t get a cool hat

hence the “issue” part

[woven tulip]

too bad, y’all overlooking dog dollars.

eggs and crystals do nothing if you have no dog dollars

[versed urchin]

of course how else are you meant to pay for the hat

[leaden glacier]

HOW DID I FORGET ABOUT THE DOG DOLLARS

[leaden glacier]

and you can pay the dog to run over the man behind the tree too

[versed urchin]

toby with the peak cinema yet again..

[quartz spindle]

Dog dollar value will go to the moon don't listen to tricky tonys lies

[leaden glacier]

it goes to the negative 32 bit integer limit and loops back around, with the caveat of if you sell it with more than 0 dark dollars in your inventory you loop back around to the negatives

[woven tulip]

||notice how the justice axe has ??? magic property. in ch5 it will be revealed that’s it’s karma from undertale because it’s the justice axe. /j||

[leaden glacier]

[quartz spindle]

What if Kris == Chara??!??!!!

I solved it

[uneven prism]

||Jaundice axe....||

[vivid verge]

Human i remember you're chapter 5

[wispy steppe]

minor ch3 spoil

[simple ore]

This is exactly what it feels like though.

[wispy steppe]

Big spoiler for like some chapter idk - Fae

[simple ore]

Asgore has a car? Though it was a truck.

Crazy theory... Move the K in Kris to the end of their name, and add an F to the front. 😱😱😱

[signal grail]

their

[simple ore]

@signal grail what...

[leaden glacier]

kris uses they/them

(47 citations

[simple ore]

...

[leaden glacier]

car rhymed with star

[simple ore]

Ohhhh

[leaden glacier]

i think it’s a truck, just called a car for lyrics purposes

[simple ore]

Same with frisk

Search it.

[leaden glacier]

true ! thank you flowey

[simple ore]

Lol.

May frisk be Kris? But not Kris?

[leaden glacier]

whuh

[simple ore]

If you move the K in Kris to the end of their name, and you add an h to the beginning, you get Frisk.

[leaden glacier]

what’s the “but not kris” part then?

[simple ore]

Because they are in different dimensions.

[leaden glacier]

i see

[simple ore]

But what if they were the same person?

[leaden glacier]

i feel like that’s unlikely

[simple ore]

Probably.

[mild hull]

is this the is-kris-frisk-or-maybe-chara's-deltarune-counterpart stuff

[signal grail]

undertale and deltarune are different universes

[simple ore]

I mean character style is different.

[mild hull]

most of the theories I see are just speculating on what undertale character that kris would correlate to, as with the rest of deltarune's cast

(most of the rest)

[simple ore]

It's kind of hard to match two people from different realities

[finite phoenix]

(ch4, and potentially chapter 5) ||the prophecy that shows asgore is named boss_3 in the files, with the ones depicting queen and tenna being boss_1 and boss_2 respectively||

so...
||chapter 5 follows not only the file structure, but also lord of the hammer according to gerson. they might be the main antagonist of chapter 5, a secret boss, a major character, we don't know. what we do know is that they are going to be very important.||

[simple ore]

Yeah.

[simple ore]

Sorry if I just sound like I'm agreeing for no reason. I just don't know how to agree to something if I know it already

Lol.

[simple ore]

Bro knows the spamton lore

[woven tulip]

i would have a freedom leitmotif if i was a deltarune character /j

[leaden glacier]

i’d be the shopkeeper that clearly knows the secret boss but is super vague and ominous about it

[leaden glacier]

also a reaction is always a good pick for this situation

[simple ore]

Oh.. I'm just awkward sometimes is what I'm saying. 😂

[leaden glacier]

[simple ore]

Dude, I got to level 9 thanks to this chat.

[leaden glacier]

yahoo !!

is within reach,,,

[simple ore]

Yes.

Very much indeed

Guys.. knife lore:

Toy knife: how is it this sharp?

Real knife: WHAT IS THIS MADE OUT OF? HOW DID IT MAKE A SKELETON BLEED?

[signal grail]

VERY, VERY IMPORTANT

[woven tulip]

well you can’t really know the power of the real knife, sans has 1 hp. it could as well be just the same one as the worn dagger, so just a normal one

[simple ore]

Buuut. How did it make him bleed?

[woven tulip]

it’s definitely something with sans

[signal grail]

i think the original theory is that it was just a ketchup packet lol

[woven tulip]

it doesn’t make asgore bleed

[heady fossil]

That's a whole other can of worms

[signal grail]

but ||post deltarune where we see that monsters do actually bleed, and the dont forget note hidden somewhere some ppl think undertale sans is where sans ends up after deltarune||

[simple ore]

Asgore is built different, he has a truck.

[leaden glacier]

||bunny kid asks kris what it’s like to be made of blood, we don’t actually know how commonplace bleeding is||

[woven tulip]

do you think susie is deltarune’s counterpart of suzy ?

[simple ore]

Do you think annoying dog in deltarune is annoying dog in Undertale?

[leaden glacier]

also susie has dialogue about how doctors don’t get her (ambyu-lance avoid), implying something about her is Weird™ and it could be ||the blood||

[woven tulip]

just a week away!

[woven tulip]

it would imply that bunny is a reliable narrator... which, well, could not be true

[leaden glacier]

i mean it’s kind of weird to Ask That ? if you Are made of that yourself ?

like how many little kids ask you that?? or like Anyone that

[simple ore]

You guys should hunterthis

[woven tulip]

kids could ask any kinds of weird questions

[leaden glacier]

yes but that’s like. an especially strange flavour of weird methinks

especially because little kids would already know that if they’re made of it themselves

[quartz spindle]

We're not arguing over Susie being half human again are we...

[leaden glacier]

it was more monsters being made of blood in general

[simple ore]

Nooo

[leaden glacier]

like. little kids ask weird shit because they’re Curious. if they already know because they experience it themselves they’re less likely to ask

[woven tulip]

uh i don’t think you really feel like you are made of blood

[quartz spindle]

Oh okay good.
I mean in deltarune I'd imagine they are since they aren't magic.

Or at least some are made of blood. I'd imagine it's probably just a case by case basis.

[mild hull]

I think it'd just depend on the monster yeah

I dont think there's blood in this

[simple ore]

Tis' but a scratch

[leaden glacier]

yeah but like. little kids are usually Aware there’s blood Inside Them

[woven tulip]

this and ghosts are really weird in the non magic world context

[leaden glacier]

yeagh that’s fair

[simple ore]

Ghosts are normal in a non magic world.

Luigi's haunted mansion...

He's literally a plumber using a vacuum.

What is magical about that?

Oh, let's not forget to mention ghost busters...

Fiction, no magic

[simple ore]

Ghost busters is an amazing series.. so how is it weird?

[leaden glacier]

weird in the context of deltarune

[simple ore]

A ghost in deltarune seems fine to me

Undertale has ghosts.

[leaden glacier]

undertale monsters are explicitly made of magic

[simple ore]

Okay, but a ghost is just a dead thing's soul. Does that require magic?

[leaden glacier]

i get what you mean but soul has a Very different meaning here. ghosts are weird because we don’t know how much they can interact with the corporal world. in deltarune it seems a fair bit
though in undertale ghosts are unaffected by physical attacks but can wear headphones

[simple ore]

Headphones are just cool, that's why.

[simple ore]

They are mysterious, not weird...

[simple ore]

Dude I can argue for hours about ghosts

[simple ore]

I forgive your dishonesty on how cool ghosts are

[signal grail]

you also wouldnt think theres blood in a raw skeleton

[simple ore]

Well if it's a fresh bone, yes there probably would be blood in it depending on which bone it is.

explodes and kills all life within a 20 mile radius.

[rapid flame]

im pretty sure the only magic that light world monsters seem to have would be stuff like. being sentient fire or a ghost. if it's something they can actively cast and perform we haven't seen it yet

[simple ore]

A GHOST ISN'T MAGIC

[rapid flame]

i mean it would be to our world (like levitation) i think ?

[signal grail]

it depends on the universe

[simple ore]

...

[signal grail]

it depends on the universe

souls are also clearly separated from ghosts conceptually because souls are a physical entity that everyone has

[hasty sapphire]

I sure wonder ||if Susie's smile repelling the darkness at the end of ch4 will have major plot relevance in the future||

||Weird that it even has such power given it was likely a fake smile||

[signal grail]

wdym

[hasty sapphire]

Sealing the last fountain scene

||Where Susie's smile blows the darkness away and our soul is imitating this glow||

[mild hull]

||I don't think that's literal||

[hasty sapphire]

Might not be

But doesn't feel like just a flavor text either

[mild hull]

||``* Susie's hope... Her naive hope...

• It's... infectious, isn't it, Kris?
• ... So, until we see fate with our own eyes...
• Let's believe, too.``||

-ralsei

||susie is inspiring; blowing the darkness away in that she is hopeful and whatnot||

||But... there is one thing that can overwrite the dark. A white pen, known as hope. Miss! I believe... this is what you hold.||

[signal grail]

its interesting that susie is considered hopeful in chapter 4

pre chapter 1 it seems like she was more defeatist giving in to her mean persona

[hasty sapphire]

Makes sense given what she was promised pre ch1

[mild hull]

power of friendship

[rapid flame]

im excited for when/if we see the vessel we created again

[leaden glacier]

if that happens. shoutout to everyone who made it bald because they thought it wouldn’t matter

[rapid flame]

it'd be funny if one of the characters comments on that

[leaden glacier]

i picked the last shirt and it was a bloody jumpscare to see the church clothes look similar. had to check if that was just Normal

[rapid flame]

REAL

[hasty sapphire]

I'm not sure you can even make it bad

[signal grail]

the ass thrasher is reused multiple times so the goner will probably come back

[leaden glacier]

the first head option is bald

[hasty sapphire]

Oh nvm there is bald option

[leaden glacier]

tangentially related during the quiz i didn’t realise tenna was comparing it to the normal machine so i thought he meant “your machine sucks fucking ass and the duck parts are wrong”. no he just meant if it’s different from normal or not

[hasty sapphire]

Would've been funny if Lancer got renamed to whatever the majority vote was in the quiz for the rest of the chapter

[rapid flame]

i have a feeling it'll be a bit like when (chapter 3) ||you leave the tv as tiny kris. I went up like "HIII HEWWO" and tried to take the remote and scared regular kris :(. but yeah my theory is that the vessel encounter if there is one could be similar||

[crude gull]

||sometimes i feel like tenna||

[hasty sapphire]

We're ALL a little GLOOBY sometimes!!

[crude gull]

i

[quartz spindle]

I RETURN FROM THE FIREWORKS

[crude gull]

beware the scug who speaks in paws

[signal grail]

i did that question the first time on a save i havent played in almost a year

i completely forgot what parts id picked and still got it right 😭

too in tune with myself

[leaden glacier]

totally and entirely unrelated. i really wanna learn how to read wingdings. for literally no reason i just think it’d be fun

[quartz spindle]

I'm preparing for the realtime dialog eith gaster

[leaden glacier]

real

[rapid flame]

the day before chapters 3-4 came out I spent literally the whole day beating chapter 1 and 2 again and still didn't finish before I got too tired (one hour of struggling with jevil)

[hasty sapphire]

Your taking too long

[rapid flame]

fr

[signal grail]

honestly i feel like i struggled with jevil and spamton more than the ch3 secret boss 😭

probably just bc ch3 is way shorter

[hasty sapphire]

I never died to ch1-2 bosses

Until ||snowgrave spamton|| that is

[leaden glacier]

weird route stuff’s gotta be spoiled

i’m pretty good with spamton myself, i’d probably kick his ass if he’s not extremely evil like he was last time i fought him

[hasty sapphire]

Uh

I love spoiling several years old content

[leaden glacier]

yeahhh ^_^'

it’s annoying but it’s the rules

[hasty sapphire]

Could be worse

Dead cells community still spoiling 5bc exclusive boss

[rapid flame]

||Yeah I think mantle guy was a bit easier than jevil. Once I figured out the attack pattern I could reliably get further and further each try (+I'm pretty sure the game actually gives you extra healing the more you fail). I think they took me like 40 minutes and now I gotta go back and beat them again because i forgot the egg and have 0 revivemints for the knight 💔||
spamton neo though i can beat first try almost every time. im a big shot

[leaden glacier]

yeah spamton’s easy peasy

if you want an extra challenge enrage him, get to max attack, and then don’t use Any big shots

it’s. Not fun

but you should do it anyways

[hasty sapphire]

Do ch3 boss no hit

It's fun

[signal grail]

BIG SHOT

[manic merlin]

Where tf is ||the egg|| in chapter 3

[leaden glacier]

oh boy.

do you want Explicit directions

[hasty sapphire]

Nowhere

[leaden glacier]

don’t forget the setup

[signal grail]

i got a little hungry

[manic merlin]

Yeah

[hasty sapphire]

One of fortunes gives a hint for the setup but iirc you don't get to see all fortunes in one playthrough

[manic merlin]

Fortunes?

[hasty sapphire]

Unless you reset gamba machine, which you can apparently do

[woven tulip]

why would gaster talk to you in wingdings, though?

i think gaster is quite aware that it’s hard to understand . entry 17 is written in wingdings, because, well, it’s a personal log after all, so can just use the preferred one.

but the voice (which is most likely gaster) uses a normal typeface, since in the intro gaster talks to you.

sans can change the typeface in undertale, so gaster probably can do it too.

[manic merlin]

Yall wanna hear something funny

Normal spam ton took me more tries than neo

[rapid flame]

honestly i kinda don't do the big shots as much by default because it's easier to spam click and dodge than it is to do carefully timed clicks and dodge

[rapid flame]

levels up gets this giant mech suit (he is weaker now)

[manic merlin]

Tbf in my first ch2 playthrough I didn't have devil knife or practice but I was acting anyway

[crude gull]

hi

[quartz spindle]

Cause it's cool and mysterious

[leaden glacier]

||- for the lancer controller puzzle, have susie throw the block between the weeds on the other side

• have a zapper catch you in the wooden walkways area, call yourself a cheater, and go to nowhere
• do the puzzle, talk to the old man, look in the wardrobe
• fight a ribbick, and when hovering over the group action hold left||
  i think there’s more but i can’t remember jt off the top of my head

[simple ore]

And then i explode

[simple ore]

dude this is a deltarune chat, not the lion king!

Just Kidding!

[crude gull]

||why does tenna say theyre coming out of the pipes? is it foreshadowing dess?||

[simple ore]

Im going to eat a rock and make it an explosive :>

[rapid flame]

||i've heard that if the black overlay on the silhouettes are removed they are literally just ice-ee's but i'm not sure||

[rapid flame]

||the timeline after a time traveller moves a chair:||

[grand slate]

||they are ice-ee's watched a data divers video on chap 3, he brightened the blob and discovered it was a ice-ee||

[simple ore]

I didn't know how to get the bisexual role until now

[somber skiff]

peak

[tame glen]

||https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NoPQFg4CoTM ||

[somber skiff]

real

[manic merlin]

what ||lancer controller puzzle||, the one with 4?

[hasty sapphire]

Eh that's nohit enough, I'll take it

[leaden glacier]

the one where you ||get a revivemint||, it’s one of those puzzles where you swap multiple tiles at a time

[civic mason]

||"knight end the fight already"||
||"what why"||
||"you're losing horribly"||
||"how bad"||
||"one hit"||
||"damn ok"||

[meager hatch]

"To get out of #watcher-lore arguments all you gotta say is I love rainworld 99 times!"

[tame glen]

||It's kind of funny how the finisher move (in theory the hardest) doesn't need to be no-hitted for that message to appear||

[tame glen]

It's even funnier if you belive on the they-slash-them theory

||The one to one-hit Susie and Ralsei when "locked in" is Kris (betraying both), making the Knight even more of a fraud||

[crimson wyvern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9XRMC0ez7w&list=RDY9XRMC0ez7w&start_radio=1 i love this song sm

[hardy marsh]

||BYARG BYARG BYARG||

[simple ore]

You guys should react to my comment in #offtopic-agenderal

[uneven prism]

🍌

Get the banana

[alpine estuary]

||true, the fact that he looks at the player is fucking crazy||

[crude gull]

||i never noticed that...||

[weary granite]

Ralsei is really fuckin worried

[tame glen]

A lot of choices in the videogames make some character look at you

mainly Kris during ||sword route||

[dapper shoal]

||I just fucking realized he looks at you wtf||

[leaden glacier]

is that looking at you or just ||turning their head away because they don’t want to look at the screen?|| i always assumed it was the latter given that ||they visibly pale|| but i may be wrong

[rapid flame]

||i thought it was both. i saw it as a "hey man I don't like this". sorry buddy but we need that mantle||

[rapid flame]

another one for my collection.... ehehehe...

[leaden glacier]

i miss tenna

ILoveTV!

[rapid flame]

i... hate tv😈

[leaden glacier]

bites you ?

[finite sky]

chapter 4 spoilers
made another insanity drawing

[civic mason]

amazinmg amaiznzgamaamzianavbgsbabshbjd
my vocabulary isn big enough to descirbe how good this isb asdgasdghjashdhjasdjkas

[hardy marsh]

Ch3

[oak snow]

Oh god

(This is at my grandma’s house

[patent fractal]

¤Chapter 3 spoilers.¤

[quartz spindle]

This is a certified SOUL classic

Ralsei so obviously knows...

[leaden glacier]

i think people figured out he knew in like. chapter one

with the whole “close your eyes and think about how susie is doing” thing but he’s. Very clearly telling kris stuff during that time.

[quartz spindle]

Now the question is what does he know.
Cause from my looking at it, he doesn't exactly seem to understand the dynamic between the player and Kris.

For example we're not really called out for things like not closing our eyes. He doesn't get why as the player we'd do that. He's just kinda confused by it

[leaden glacier]

i mean like. he’s rather. insistent about it sometimes

especially in i wanna say like. c4?

i’m not sure why he doesn’t explicitly say anything though

like. unless he’s worried about someone overhearing??? but almost every time he asks us to close our eyes there’s. Very little risk of anyone hearing

save for maybe c3

[quartz spindle]

Imo my reading has been Ralsie has been more intrested in having us see something instead of it being an opportunity to talk to kris

For some reason he wants us to see specific events

[leaden glacier]

i mean. ending off with “so that’s why…” is. A bit suspicious if you ask me /silly

tangentially related shoutout to lesbian skip. not even a skip

[quartz spindle]

Idk the "so that's why..." is just so strange in general...

Idk if this will load well but this is like a hypothetical I saw someone make and I do feel this kinda dialog would make sense.

[leaden glacier]

i 🌊

[quartz spindle]

I'm not entirely convinced Ralsei has too much concern for Kris as an individual (or even entirely understands they aren't a very blank individual)

As in, like an individual with more personality than any given silent protag like Link or Mario

[leaden glacier]

there was an old comic i saw about it being like. darkners are to lightners as lightners are to us

[leaden glacier]

i doubt that? i mean kris can clearly express themselves through How they do What we tell them to

[quartz spindle]

I think this is definitely a parallel we are supposed to draw

[quartz spindle]

I'm not entirely sure if ralsie really understands where the line between us and kris is

||granted I'm very vessel was originally in the prophecy pilled so it fits nicely into my worldview||

[leaden glacier]

only reason vessel wasn’t initially added in is because it would’ve been too painful to make sprites for all the segments trust me /sillyj

[quartz spindle]

Too be fair i know alot of people want it back but I'm thinking our vessel is kinda dead and buried.

[leaden glacier]

tbh i’m of the opinion they’re just trapped in Nowhere Space™ though. it’s very uneventful because i don’t think it has much of a personality on its own. it’s only really made to look like a person and have us fill in the personality part

though that’s all purely hc

gaster does the god damn it rouxls voice when it gets discarded /sillyjoke

[quartz spindle]

Chat how epic would this be on a scale of 1 to 10 scugs
||https://youtu.be/ESmCKmZZPEs?si=4DOqQv7S48fTI1ll||

[quartz spindle]

[grand slate]

I wonder what shows up if I search asgore in gifs

Jesus Christ it's all the truck memes

[quartz spindle]

God, what the hell is in the shelter...

[leaden glacier]

||dark world ||

[quartz spindle]

True that

Mmm...
Idk I'm thinking of many thoughts, so like a certain someone I'm a bit scattered now.
||like in terms of the prophecy, it seems like Kris has an intrest in fulfilling the prophecy, while others want to defy it. (Look at menu text calling kris the one to carry out the prophecy or whatever)||

[leaden glacier]

inchresting

[quartz spindle]

Wait that might actually be misinfo

Gah so much to remember

[quartz spindle]

Cause susie gets the same description as kris that made me think this

[leaden glacier]

ahh i 🌊

[quartz spindle]

I am very much sane and don't spend at least one hour a day deltaroting

Idk if you're still here but I haven't heard any of your theories/ideas/ramblings if you'd want to share I'd be down to listen and not really argue about em

[leaden glacier]

if i have anything coherent i’ll let you know

been a bit too. glooby recently to have many original thoughts

[quartz spindle]

I'm never glooby!

[quartz spindle]

This extends to anyone I crave new deltarune ideas

[leaden glacier]

you are pretty groovy

[crude gull]

i'm glooby

[hasty sapphire]

Chat how many of you pretended to know what cervine means

[woven tulip]

who even has a watercooler at home

[hasty sapphire]

Yeah just use a dedicated bottled water fridge

[signal grail]

it sounds like the science word for deer

[woven tulip]

6 deltarune quotes

1. ||"i swear, you people see pink and yellow and think, oh, a friend!!" — small mike||
2. ||"okay." — ralsei||
3. ||"so i haveth a laser pointere." — rouxls kaard||
4. ||":-(" — cat mike||
5. ||"我很鬼" — guei||
6. ||"what is deltarune?" — organikk||

[tame glen]

||0) "Like, uh, hey, maybe thing took a weird route right now... - SUSsie||

[hasty sapphire]

My favorite quote

[hasty sapphire]

I can finally stop playing

[rapid flame]

-1) ||it's like he's in some king of.... snowgrave||

[crimson wyvern]

||put black knife in my ultrakill cyber grind :rivjam|| ch3

[crude gull]

i saw that word in a list of neopronouns and thought it was going to mean related to dogs and then all of them were deer themed

||EVERYONES MAKING TENNA VERSIONS OF STATIC HELP||

||I CANT ESCAPE||

[cursive ravine]

I have a theory for the secret boss of chapter 5 ||so basically in chapter 3 the secret boss was mainly Kris themed (because I think the shadow mantle is really the secret boss) and in chapter 4 it was Susie themed so in chapter 5 it might be Ralsei themed?||

[hasty sapphire]

Kindbuster is real

[civic mason]

wair
I was watching deltarune (chaper 4 spilers) an ||during the shadow gerson fight they didn get the white beams in the direction where the arrows were coming from?||

[hasty sapphire]

That's how it's supposed to work

||But if you fail sound check the indicators stay||

[civic mason]

||i always kept the indicators tho||

[cursive ravine]

||like maybe Ralsei will learn to believe that he is a real person with emotions||

[rapid flame]

||i wanted them to stay on i could barely hear||

[cursive ravine]

||makes even more sense when you think about it happening at the festival a thing he thought he wouldn’t be able to go to||

[crimson wyvern]

||ralseis gonna become a [real boy]!!1||

[hasty sapphire]

I don't think Ralsei's character development arc will have a happy ending tbh

Also Noelle development when

||If she really is the original girl from the prophecy then it's about time we learned about how hopeful she is||

[cursive ravine]

Still I think my theory is cool and awesome and probably will happen

[hasty sapphire]

Last time deltarune theorists tried to find patterns based on the sample size of two it didn't end well

[dapper shoal]

Yes I also want to see more Noelle development ||totally not related to the weird route||

[cursive ravine]

Well uhhh

I’m awesome

[hasty sapphire]

Awesome

[cursive ravine]

And this isn’t as much of a crack pot theory

[hasty sapphire]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/455836779560304650/1217509054323228733/animal.gif

[cursive ravine]

This one makes way more sense

And is cool

Also I want to see the Ralsei haters cry

[hasty sapphire]

Ralsei haters aren't real

[cursive ravine]

They are sadly

[hasty sapphire]

Would love to see Suselle fans cry when ||Noelle gets grounded after ch4 and doesn't appear in ch5 normal route at all||

Totally doesn't contradict my wish of more Noelle development

[leaden glacier]

||kris and susie immediately break into her house /sillyjoking||

[uneven prism]

I think chapter 5 should have a room with 600 crows that swarm you and kill you

The crows are armed with

Flamethrowers

[leaden glacier]

you want a murder in c5???

[hasty sapphire]

||Rudy breaks her out and dies of getting tired||

[uneven prism]

Yeah

[cursive ravine]

I would like to see the secret boss of chapter five Ralsei themed

Especially since there is merit to it

[leaden glacier]

i feel like spamton was a bit more kris adjacent than the c3 secret boss tbh

[hasty sapphire]

I don't

Tbh we haven't gotten a lot of Kris development either

[cursive ravine]

||nah because the mantle||

[cursive ravine]

We kinda have?

[hasty sapphire]

Not nearly as much as for Susie/Ralsei

[leaden glacier]

||do you want to elaborate. like spamton shares kris’ entire Current Situation in that they both are kind of puppets that need their strings||

[cursive ravine]

||you fight the mantle only with Kris and it talks to Kris about stuff idk i can’t dissect stuff like that im an idiot||

[leaden glacier]

oh you mean like

okay

[hasty sapphire]

I feel like ch3 boss was more Kris related due to potential hints to backstory, spamton is just similar to Kris but no development comes out of it really

[leaden glacier]

||i thought you meant more like. how close they are to the character not like. mechanics||

[cursive ravine]

Well both

But still I think a Ralsei boss for chapter 5 does make sense and would be cool and awesome

[leaden glacier]

||can you elaborate on the backstory stuff. the only thing i really got was that kris might’ve liked more violent games as a kid? hence why ramb thought they’d enjoy that more than tenna’s modifications||

[hasty sapphire]

There's that one Toby's comment about Ralsei getting mixed up with flowers, other than that I don't expect any specific focus on Ralsei in ch5

[cursive ravine]

Well it would be awesome

[leaden glacier]

honestly i think it’s just going to be a Really awkward and uncomfortable chapter for ralsei as a whole. and i’d imagine if the secret boss is like it was for c3 or 4 that would factor in maybe. it’s a neat thought

[cursive ravine]

Ok man

[leaden glacier]

whuh

[hasty sapphire]

||As I see it, Kris's interactions with John Mantle are suposed to parallel their relationship with the knight||

[leaden glacier]

||no like. i mean we know asgore is very likely nearly certainly going to be a boss. ralsei kind of looks like his kid. and ralsei is VERY used to Not being the main focus. and so if he was the focus for the secret boss that’d be out of his comfort zone||

[cursive ravine]

Yeah more character development

Like

[leaden glacier]

mmmmaybe??? it’s neat to look out for

[leaden glacier]

hold on sorry i’m Very confused. the Ok man made me feel like i might’ve accidentally offended you somehow ? am i misinterpreting that

[hasty sapphire]

What kind of character development to Ralsei are you expecting exactly?

[cursive ravine]

Idk

Sometimes I say stuff without knowing what I mean

[hasty sapphire]

A lot of people suggest that he'll learn to use harmful kind of magic to mirror Susie's heal development and I don't really like this idea

I don't want Susie and Ralsei just average each other out in the end, I still need my fluffy boy miserable so he can have a tragic end and I can feel bad for him

[cursive ravine]

I don’t really agree with that magic thing because it goes against their character

But yeah I do think the secret boss thing makes sense especially since he thinks his feelings don’t matter

It could help him learn to think of himself as a person

[hasty sapphire]

It's weird that he's seemingly the only darkner that treats himself this way

[lean vine]

wow I love chapter 4

[hasty sapphire]

I almost don't believe this part of Ralsei is going to ever get fixed

[leaden glacier]

honestly it’s completely understandable imo

[cursive ravine]

||especially since gerson did something similar by teaching Susie to believe in her healing and stuff||

[cursive ravine]

Well that ain’t wholesome

[leaden glacier]

like the others have each other but ralsei has very much been alone nearly his entire life

[hasty sapphire]

Fair point

[cursive ravine]

Because he is the only Darkner who knows the full prophecy it’s literally explained in game💀

[leaden glacier]

honestly? as someone who relates to ralsei a lot while i would like to seem him get better i would agree that’s not something you can heal in like. less than two weeks.

[hasty sapphire]

This may or may not relate to Ralsei's light world form ||or the lack of it||

[cursive ravine]

Well it’s also a video game that isn’t real

[leaden glacier]

i don’t necessarily think it’s permanent but i do think it’s going to take a while

[leaden glacier]

you can still have realistic character development in a video game ?

[hasty sapphire]

Seam seems to know the prophecy, people assume Jevil and Spamton got to know it via shadow crystals, all have very different reactions to it

[cursive ravine]

Yeah but it doesn’t have to fully follow realism

[cursive ravine]

Well Seam is a little kooky

[leaden glacier]

i mean like. undertale did something like this where sure, you don’t fix everything like. there’s going to be problems for monsters on the surface and alphys has to deal with allat and just. Everything. but it ends on a hopeful note and you know things are very probably going to get better. you just won’t be there to see it.

[hasty sapphire]

I don't think realism is the main reason why we don't want Ralsei to get over his self worth issues in just one chapter

[cursive ravine]

Like yeah it’s not going to immediately be rapped in a nice bow but you can’t always expect video games to follow realism

[hasty sapphire]

I just don't feel it'd be a satisfying character development

[cursive ravine]

Well yeah I’m not saying it will happen immediately but it definitely will give him a push

[mild hull]

chapter 5 will reveal ralsei as gaster in an asriel costume as a pure evil character pretending to have depth sorry theorists

[hasty sapphire]

Evil Ralsei is real, he will conquer our world by spreading plushies of himself around it and then causing the roaring

[cursive ravine]

And how is spreading Ralsei plushies a bad thing

[mild hull]

consider: gaster and ralsei share THREE letters out of 6

in addition, gaster is entirely black and white, and ralsei starts out with a black palette and later changes to a white palette

[vivid verge]

So ralsei is just gasters evil fursona?

[crimson wyvern]

g a s t e r
r a l s e i

even 4 letters instead of 3 gotta be confirmed now

[rapid flame]

ralsei gaster deltarune

[woven tulip]

ralsei learns... firegrave

actually i kinda want kris to get some small magic spell

[woven tulip]

how does ralsei knows... where all fountains are... obviously... ralsei works with the ||knight||. that’s why ralsei doesn’t appear in ||2th Sanctuary|| until the end, because it wasn’t planned.

and that’s what ralsei and kris discuss all the time we look away, obviously

[rapid flame]

welcome back evil ralsei theory

[woven tulip]

what about ||kind knight|| theory, it’s actually "heroes" that are evil

[dapper shoal]

You ever wonder if the Holidays can get chronic wasting disease or something

[halcyon finch]

berdly’s arm gets kinda fucked up if you beat him with violence in the queen fight and (ch4) ||he ends up in the hospital||

[rapid flame]

ooh right

[dapper shoal]

It's dependent on what you did in the initial fight regardless of the queen fight iirc

[halcyon finch]

OHH

i lowkey forgot you fight berdly like 3 times in ch2 lol

[dapper shoal]

Or 2

[rapid flame]

burghley

[vivid verge]

Amongus ||chapter 4||

[civic mason]

susie haircut aftermath

[grand raft]

chapter 4 soilers
||i didn’t know you had to pet mike while fighting so the whole fight was way too long and i was stuck in the ultimate attack||

[woven tulip]

||btw berdly has a similar attack to bibliox lol||

that hurricanes thing

wait does it mean lightners have elements too

noelle : ice
susie : rude
berdly : wind?

[vivid verge]

Is berghly ravioli from Zelda botw?

[mild hull]

nerd type

[signal grail]

seam seems like the most sane darkner

[cursive ravine]

Ehhhhhhhhhh

I would say he is just less childish then most darkners

[signal grail]

he reminds me a little of sans tbh

kind of knows whats going on, is content with his place in the world but open to the possibility of a good outcome

[cursive ravine]

Like how ralsei acts different it’s just because he has information

Actually never mind that isn’t a good comparison

He isn’t sane

He just is less childish

[vivid verge]

He's just defeated and nihilistic and depressed

[signal grail]

the way you react to information isnt absolute lol

jevil and spamton went insane because of what they were told

[signal grail]

is he depressed??

[cursive ravine]

Yeah

[signal grail]

he never came across like he was upset with his situation

[cursive ravine]

But still he definitely isn’t sane

He just is more sane then jevil or spamton

Wait no

[vivid verge]

He seems so to me kinda, idk nihilism and depression usually go hand in hand. He just doesn't care what happens anymore because the world he knows isn't real.

[cursive ravine]

He just is a different type of insanity

I think

[signal grail]

he assists you in collecting the crystals which i can only assume affect the ending in some way

[vivid verge]

I think star walker is going to be essential in chapter 7

[cursive ravine]

Yeah but how does that mean anything with his sanity

[vivid verge]

Why fear? Starwalker is the bees knees.

[signal grail]

@ he doesnt care what happens

[cursive ravine]

And how does that make him more sane😭

[leaden glacier]

okay doesn’t seam use they/them

[vivid verge]

It be they/theam

[cursive ravine]

Idk

[vivid verge]

Seam is not actively trying to hurt people so they're not as crazy as those two.

[cursive ravine]

I’m not paying attention to the pro nouns of the shop person

Yeah

[leaden glacier]

checked, wiki says they/them with the sources being the one stream that announced c2 and the fangamer plush

[cursive ravine]

But he still is a little kooky

[vivid verge]

Seam is fluffy like saint :3

I didn't mean to reply fuck

[signal grail]

i did not know this 😼

[leaden glacier]

i mean to be fair afaik they’re never referred to with pronouns in game so the average player likely won’t know that unless they check the wiki for seam so

[vivid verge]

Seam is the real nonbinary representation

What is starwalkers pronouns, star/walker?

[leaden glacier]

wiki has pronouns for every character we know the pronouns of somehow

but to answer your question, starwalker uses he/him

[cursive ravine]

What? The wiki says unknown

[leaden glacier]

which wiki are you using

[cursive ravine]

Fandom

[leaden glacier]

well therein lies your problem

https://deltarune.wiki/w/Seam

oh that was tall

[cursive ravine]

😭

They/them is also used just in general

Like nothing against non binary people they are awesome but they/them doesn’t always mean non binary

[leaden glacier]

i mean like. sure. but when toby uses it for his own character and it’s the only information we have it’s not exactly unreasonable to go “these are this character’s pronouns”

[cursive ravine]

I think the better thing to say is “unknown”

Because when it’s that vague it’s better to do that

[leaden glacier]

they have citations.

of toby using they/them for seam.

[cursive ravine]

Well I just said why that isn’t that good of a argument

Like Toby probably has called Ralsei they

[signal grail]

no one said seam is nonbinary they just said seam uses they/them

[cursive ravine]

Idk

[leaden glacier]

do you have evidence of that or are you making up a possibility?

[cursive ravine]

I just think calling them a “he” isn’t that big of a deal

[cursive ravine]

I don’t but if I said “them” when talking about Ralsei would that mean I’m calling them non binary

[signal grail]

weird hill to die on

[leaden glacier]

to me, specifically, it would indicate you either have a he/they ralsei headcanon (valid), or that you don’t remember ralsei’s pronouns at that moment for whatever reason (also fair, though a little odd given his story prevalence)

[cursive ravine]

Or it means I just felt like saying them makes more sense at that time

Like sometimes it just sounds better

Atleast to me

[leaden glacier]

it’s still very odd to have two instances of they/them’ing a character if the character doesn’t ?? use they/them?? like. maybe i should’ve mentioned but one of these was in a newsletter. which i’m like 90% sure toby doesn’t write once not review and go “yay okay send this”. like there’s no reason to use they/them if seam uses another set of pronouns

[cursive ravine]

It’s probably because he isn’t thinking of seams gender

[leaden glacier]

i also don’t ?? Get ?? the stylistic choice/it sounds better argument ? because like. idk i don’t see pronouns as stylistic

[leaden glacier]

then i feel like the consequences of that are that seam now likely uses they/them until we get further information

[cursive ravine]

I thought you were fighting for seam being non binary

[signal grail]

why are u even disagreeing about this

[cursive ravine]

Idk man

Because they said seam uses they/them when I called seam a he

[leaden glacier]

i mean, partially that i guess? i’d bet money there wouldn’t be this conflict if toby had used he/him or she/her. and also i’d imagine this would also have still happened if toby had used it/its. but no, i just feel like it’s grating when people try to argue stuff like pronouns being stylistic or that they/them being used doesn’t really mean anything. admittedly gets me kind of fired up so i apologise if i was aggressive

[cursive ravine]

I think using they them is fine and it does mean something but acting like it means non binary every time is not true and no I’m not saying you did that I’m just yapping

[leaden glacier]

fair enough i guess, i’m a bit tired of arguing anyways

[signal grail]

Ken ite

[leaden glacier]

prophecised

[vivid verge]

https://youtu.be/77YIJJGLwbg?si=dOVx7N3Ei0z0bs9L

[woven tulip]

new theory: ||darkners with a typing sound but not portraits are insane (jevil, spamton, tenna, jackenstein)||

[woven tulip]

"they" . y’all talk about kris, but forget seam and napstablook 💔

[cursive ravine]

Have you read nothing that came after that💔 (talking about seam)

[woven tulip]

i’m reading in chronological order

[woven tulip]

that’s just not true . depressed people are more likely to become nihilistic, i think, but nihilism in not inherently related to being depressed

[cursive ravine]

I think you should start reading the whole thing before talking

[woven tulip]

that’s actually not an excuse. standard pronouns to refer those whose pronouns you don’t know is "they/them"

[cursive ravine]

Ok 😐

[woven tulip]

they are right, though.

it’s right to think its character’s pronouns, but pronouns aren’t gender.

oops

unfinished

[cursive ravine]

Wait I’m right or they are

[woven tulip]

weird thing but ||both lanino and elnina are referred with they/them once in ch3||

though we have evidence for other options in this case

[woven tulip]

i know you refer what i said . i didn’t mean that pronouns are stylistic . it’s specifically "they" is not gendered, so it’s not incorrect to use it for anyone. other third person personal pronouns are associated with genders.

[cursive ravine]

YES

[woven tulip]

anyway.

i think the best thing is to use pronouns that the character is referred with in game (or at least by developers), or "they" if unknown ("they" could be used for any character, but gendered pronouns the character wasn’t refered with officially shouldn’t be).

but at the same time, pronouns don’t necessarily imply gender (which isn’t relevant to the story anyway).

[cursive ravine]

I wouldn’t say pro nouns don’t imply gender I would say they/them doesn’t imply gender

I mean it doesn’t always

[leaden glacier]

your exact wording for one of the options for why they/them was used was or as a stylistic choice, i’m not sure how else i was supposed to interpret that one

[woven tulip]

i probably should’ve been a bit more clear, not everyone is a language nerd .

briefly, three of english personal pronouns have (grammatical) genders: feminine, masculine, and neuter (not as relevant in this context)—which are associated with respective genders.

on other hand, a plural pronoun "they" has no gender and can refer to a group of any combination of gendered persons.

the singular they is derived from the plural they, specifically for the property of not implying any gender (so it’s used since 14th century to refer unknown people).

as far as i know, nonbinary people adopted they/them because unlike other options, this one has no gender implications, hence can be used regardless of whether you are agender, genderfluid, bigender (etc.).

another way could have been to create gendered pronouns for each and every gender, which is less convenient than using an already common word.

[leaden glacier]

AH i see what you meant now. i think

my apologies

i did Not mean to misinterpret what you said that badly

[woven tulip]

[leaden glacier]

anyways i will try to drop this because despite how much i’ve been doing this in the past couple days i. Don’t actually like arguing about pronouns i just have a very strong drive to do so from ye olden days where people misgendered kris. so fucking much.

[woven tulip]

well yeah . using "they" for anyone is fine* (unless the person doesn’t like it, obviously),

but referring to kris (or anyone else) with gendered pronouns they don’t use is wrong.

but, yeah, that’s where we shall stop this discussion

[vivid verge]

https://youtu.be/I5QGpociYZE

[rapid flame]

beautiful music...

[woven tulip]

"asriel is not in college theory" 2:
||the odd controller, which is most likely asriel’s controller in the light world, has pink and yellow. the friend, in the shelter, is asriel; and called the "friend" because asriel is december’s friend (who is obviously the knight)||

no more "ralsei is asriel", we need new ideas

[leaden glacier]

i need to make a friend design so bad they have the potential to be So fucking shaped but i have no clue what to do for it

[rapid flame]

||i thought that because it was a week until asriel got home and there were seven chapters that we'd meet him in chapter seven but now that chapter 3 and 4 are kinda the same day im uuh||

[woven tulip]

isn’t it "next week"

chapter 5 is sunday

it could be as early as chapter 5 (if they american week)

[rapid flame]

||ooh||

[woven tulip]

but well, i think we should ||see asriel in deltarune , would be weird to just mention, as well as making gaster react to you naming the vessel "asriel" otherwise||

quite a lot of times actually (also ||tenna’s text for asriel plays a short portion of asriel’s theme from undertale btw||)

[rapid flame]

ya

[woven tulip]

||why won’t kris put the soul into ralsei, so ralsei could visit the festival in the light world?||

spamton’s method

[leaden glacier]

would it be fucked up or what if like. spamton thought the addisons still hated him. like given the pipis interaction he can still observe as dealmaker and id imagine the addisons aren’t particularly thrilled to see anyone wearing the glasses of their (likely presumed dead tbh) old coworker. which (although it may be projecting a little) seems like it’d be easily misinterpreted as dislike especially given. Everything that happened. does anyone see the vision

[civic mason]

the tv time is fast approaching

[leaden glacier]

opinion on giving pippinses paws

[grand slate]

Pippens are dice right?
If so
Dice kitty :3

[leaden glacier]

better examples because there were a couple issues with the old ones

[woven tulip]

fact:
unfortunately, you’re pacifist route has been over, because ||ralsei has killed gerson statue||. /j

[hasty sapphire]

Isn't it weird that while crumbling tower, spawn and guardian all relate to the same major event only guardian introduces the unique motif

I think we'll hear more of it in the future chapters

Also fuck ch4 for recontextualizing my castle town as something negative

[heady fossil]

Anyone know how to ||get the chapter 3 egg??||

[crude gull]

||just realized there is a man who gives you an egg. an eggman.||

[heady fossil]

||DR EGGMAN ||

[heady fossil]

...anyone?

[crude gull]

i dont sorry

[heady fossil]

It's fine

[woven tulip]

you know who’s also a Dr. ...

well, i don’t, i can’t read that name .

[hasty sapphire]

Uhh so
||Grab Lancer controller, find a digging puzzle, solve it and throw the box over the river||
||At the end of tv world in purple cliffs area there's a spotlight guarding a chest with 1 point, get caught, say you're a cheater, head to nowhere, finish the box puzzle and read a very long dialogue until you get the ticket||
||Backtrack to the area with trashcans, find the triple ribbick encounter, select the croak on x act and hold left||
||Don't forget the man||

[hasty sapphire]

Lmao they nerfed Lancer

[patent fractal]

¤Minor deltarune chapter 3 spoiler.¤

[rapid flame]

ooh... dice paws (i feel like pippinses would be hard plastic)

[leaden glacier]

hi PLEASE ping reply if you’re replying to a silly idea i had please please please i don’t care if it’s 8 hours later i adore hearing people’s thoughts on my ideas okay thank you

[rapid flame]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1055397698636894291/1268025039887011901/spam_cooking-i1pyKBJ9BRgjP1OS.gif

oh darn no image perms

[leaden glacier]

you need monks for that in general channels

[leaden glacier]

roasting him……..

[rapid flame]

dinner

[river gate]

chapter 4 spoiler i think

https://youtu.be/jKzBIYX0OVA?si=grMYCwBM8wC47sgR

[cursive ravine]

https://youtu.be/L4zdKk_LGlU?si=TrEmBbSRrb5jQSvl wowie

[dapper shoal]

||The more I think about it the more I realize that Tenna did a good job and it was the knight that took fuckin five hours to get to the dark world||

||Like for most of the chapter the fun gang were busy doing family feud and watching Tenna fall from grace||

||Meanwhile toriel is just sitting in a gacha ball right next to the fucking door||

||And then after fucking murdering the fun gang the knight pivots to undyne who also just got there making the entire massacre of the fun gang irrelevant||

||What I'm saying is that the Knight killed Tenna because it was slow||

[vivid verge]

||Just realized he had her in capsule because he was also protecting her.||

[green anvil]

[supple belfry]

This is if we assumed he didn't go outside

[civic mason]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-ygbqWPfpM what hav i found

[spice dune]

The ||mike|| fight is the best, ||petting cats and screaming||

[clear sparrow]

would be cooler with base game slugs honestly

[leaden glacier]

shoutout to using cancel instead

[rapid flame]

i still need to redo chapter three to go on that crazy egg quest

[woven tulip]

...but you will be [CANCEL]ed then💔

[leaden glacier]

i miss tenna

[civic mason]

📺 ⌛

[civic mason]

the last frame

[leaden glacier]

YAYYYYYYYYYYYY

[green anvil]

i dunno if one of the lyrics is actually soilers or not because i miraculously havent been spoiled on dr chapters 3 and 4 yet
i dont mind spoilers tho

[heady fossil]

||GOD DAMNIT I WAS ON THE LAST ATTACK OF THE ROARING FRAUD TWICE IN A ROW AND DIED BOTH TIMES😭😭😭|| chapter 3 secret boss spoilers

[civic mason]

yu can do it!!
||remember to heal right before the attack||
||revive another character if yu character is on full hp||
||wen the knight starts releasing stars from their body, camp a corner :>||

||the star circle is kinda like the circle slash attack the knight did earlier if that helps :>||

[leaden glacier]

knight doesn’t have to be spoiled, see pins

[heady fossil]

Oops

Better safe than sorry

[heady fossil]

The problem I'm having is I run out of healing items (that can... actually heal non-downed party members) every single time

I still got to the last attack and I'm still proud of that though

[civic mason]

usualy i only heal susie

either defend with kris an ralsei wile casting rude buster with susie or defend as kris for tp (if it wuld let susie rude buster) an heal with ralsei

[hasty sapphire]

Unless you're less than 16% tp away from rude buster it's better to heal with Kris and defend with Ralsei

You can also try Ralsei mantle strats if you're struggling with keeping the party alive, Susie is tanky enough to survive one hit of almost any attack

[heady fossil]

I have the Mantle on Kris so

[hasty sapphire]

Kris needs the mantle the least

[heady fossil]

Here lemme find the build I used

Kris:
The cactus needle sword
Mantle
Twin Ribbon
Susie:
Toxic Axe
Chapter 1 & 2 secret boss spare items
Ralsei:
Ragger 2
Silver Watch
Lodestone

That's my build

I heal with Kris when needed, and I always have enough for Rude Buster

[hasty sapphire]

I'd swap one of Ralsei's armors with Kris's mantle, the rest is good

[heady fossil]

Does the watch even do anything in this fight

Or would I be better off with the Tension bow thing on Ralsei?

[hasty sapphire]

It very rarely lets you skip the end of sword tunnel attacks but I only saw that once in a video, never got that personally

Not very useful

Tension bow is better than lodestone yeah

[heady fossil]

Not lodestone I meant the watch

Would I be better off replacing the watch with the tie?

[heady fossil]

Is the bow better than the watch though?

Ykw

I'll just try it

[hasty sapphire]

Well if you're not having tp issues you're not gaining anything from tension bow either

But not like there are any better options

You could give Ralsei a spike band for a bit of extra damage but iirc it doesn't make a difference, fight will still take the same amount of turns

[heady fossil]

I DID IT

WITH SUSIE ON 1 HP

[hasty sapphire]

Nice

[heady fossil]

AND EVERYONE ELSE DEAD

[leaden glacier]

[hasty sapphire]

Last attack doesn't kill unless party member is already at 1hp

[leaden glacier]

i miss spamton

[hasty sapphire]

But no one misses Jevil

Poor guy got only one chapter of being relevant

[lofty elm]

He's ||in Chapter 3 if you have the Deal Maker and find Tenna's secret pipis||

[leaden glacier]

i’m aware don’t worry

[steep ridge]

Hello Deltaraincord

[hasty sapphire]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/455836779560304650/1217509054323228733/animal.gif?ex=686f40ea&is=686def6a&hm=261d24b93be048d6bef82d5139c1581c89d1524aa40c783dc1685b1f1a0e2879&

[rapid flame]

sorry spamton is killed in chapter 8. they drop an anvil on his head and he flattens like a cartoon character

[clear sparrow]

meow

[dapper shoal]

||and it is immediately confirmed that this will never happen again||

[clear sparrow]

||the only way i can imagine jevil getting a cutscene of his own is if Seam leaves his shop at some point||

[hasty sapphire]

Seam ch6 secret boss real

I kinda want a boss fight that happens in the shop UI, in a more traditional turn based combat style maybe with some Sans style bs

[civic mason]

helo deltarunes

[leaden glacier]

tempted to replay 3/4. Again

or maybe even like. the entire game

i did want to try getting devilsknife instead of jevilstail anyways

[weary granite]

Have you done weird route yet?

[leaden glacier]

i’m not doing that.

[weary granite]

Fair enough

[leaden glacier]

if that came off rude i apologise

[weary granite]

Imo, I think its inchresting

Hard to stomach, but its there and I like how brute forcing it is, like you are actively breaking a plan or route

[weary granite]

Its alright

[leaden glacier]

oh don’t get me wrong it’s interesting!!! i just. Don’t think i can do that myself.

watching it was bad enough

[weary granite]

I completely understand lol :D

I still cant ||Do a durge embrace route in BG3 || (Slight bg3 soilers)

One day I'll get the courage to be evil

[leaden glacier]

||durge embrace? ||

[weary granite]

||Dark urge, a character archetype you can play, and the route is where instead of defying your unholy urges, you embrace them...||

This is for Baldurs Gate 3

[leaden glacier]

AH

[vivid verge]

I like how disapproving ralsei is when you say ||you're going with Noelle to festival in chapter 3, if you decide not to think about susie|| means my ||actions in weird route might affect the prophecy||

[weary granite]

[vivid verge]

Its a shame im away from wifi because my phone isn't letting me see emotes.

Wait now I do

[vivid verge]

Notice on the website it says "... and one ending?" Like its not sure, meaning that there is probably ||one intended ending (much like a prophecy) but the weird route breaks away from that||

[weary granite]

I've already explained how I think it'll happen, the whole two kings fate story situation

(Though if you want to hear it....)

[vivid verge]

Hell yeah id love to hear it.

[weary granite]

Basically

||The two kings fate situation describes the story of two kings whos son will kill them, upon hearing the news, one makes their son's life a living hell and the son then kills them through revolt....however, the other king makes sure his son lives a fulfilling life and makes sure his son loves him, so when the king inevitably is too old to rule, the son mercy kills him to relieve him of his burden

Im both situations, the kings die to their son, the same ending occurs, but one is very obviously the better choice

Deltarune I feel is gonna go a similar direction, the prophecy may prophecise a certain outcome, but the end does not matter, how it happens does, I think the normal route is going to follow how Gerson wants to do it, to "read between the lines" and make sure the prophecy is twisted enough to where the characters get what they want and help as many people along the way, mirroring the king who gave his son love rather than cruelty

In the same vein, I believe the weird route takes the opposite approach, where it may seem like you are breaking the prophecy (attempting to hurt and break the king's metaphorical son) but instead, you are just causing a significantly worse outcome of the same prophecy

In the attempt to break it, you only make it so much worse, or maybe, you just want to follow the prophecy to its very word, which does feel kinda cold reading :D||

Slightly long wall of text

[vivid verge]

that makes a lot of sense

[sudden pilot]

||also look at one of ralsei’s dialogue lines in chapter one about happy endings||

[civic mason]

jelyfish chaper 5 has jelyfish

[leaden glacier]

hihi in the future, please credit art you post here (unless this is your art in which case. Oops. but in the case it isn’t, the artist’s tumblr post can be found here: https://www.tumblr.com/42paintbrushes/788455125802958848/terrible-phone-doodle-because-when-inspiration)

[hasty sapphire]

I think on steam it's worded this way to sound surprised that Toby is making a game with only one ending, not to question if there's actually more than one

[vivid verge]

Oky

[woven tulip]

if toby was a good writer /j

[steep ridge]

behold, the unoriginal star walker

[leaden glacier]

it owes me 40.

[rapid flame]

i made an unoriginal starwalker last night but no image perms

[leaden glacier]

gonna replay c1 is there any stupid stuff i should do

[mild hull]

ermmm violence everyone since there arent any consequences

[leaden glacier]

are you supposed to get 5 dollars from the tutorial??? i thought it was only 1

[leaden glacier]

got $40 from starwalker's ambient lustre first try

[dark kiln]

(possibly loud warning) 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[rapid flame]

i hadnt even heard of that until like last week lol

[woven tulip]

do y’all think ||"the legend...?" track has any further implications? like, it’s an altered version of the legend but it’s not full. could it mean that we will see the full legend in further chapters? ||