deltarune ch3-4 (soiler warning)

[weary granite]

Dont think he is

[cursive ravine]

HAVE YOU SEEN WHAT HE SAYS ON THE PHONE IN CHAPTER 4!!!

[signal grail]

no he isnt

[weary granite]

Also lets not talk about that

Please

[woven tulip]

i can’t really hate them, because i understand why they are like this, well that’s me though

[sudden pilot]

My favorite character in all of the game is (chapter 4) ||Gerson||

[cursive ravine]

||Please I ask of you guys to find a video that shows the dialogue if you interact with the phone after Susie throws it||

[woven tulip]

||"i’m old!" — the hammer of justice||

[sudden pilot]

||also him on his way to kick susie’s shit in (in a mentoring kind of way)||

[woven tulip]

||btw, i’m not sure what to think about sound of justice. idk, but it feels like it would be kinda random unless you did at least try to battle with hammer of justice.

because the parallels are very clear, and it’s obvious why would susie (and me tbh) mistake the statue to be gerson, because it acts like hammer of justice, which makes less sense if nobody saw hammer of justice before||

[weary granite]

Everyone's favorite is that :D

[woven tulip]

||on other hand, it’s cool that a secret boss is relevant to the story directly||

[signal grail]

arent they all directly relevant

[sudden pilot]

Can you really blame everybody for that?

[woven tulip]

well, not to that extent

also ||spamton and the knight are relevant because they are main bosses too, not just secret||

[vivid verge]

Yeah I mean even || jevel does, after all he was the first to learn about the knight in the card kingdom||

[signal grail]

||jevil warns you of the knights appearance in chapter 3 and also kickstarts the theme of freedom for the rest of the game||

[woven tulip]

of course, but ||gerson is directly relevant to the story and the chapter 4 in particular||

[signal grail]

||spamton basically just expands on what jevil does while also acting as a direct foil to kris||

[signal grail]

||i didnt fight gerson and it was obvious to me the shadowed figure was supposed to be him until i learned it was a statue||

[weary granite]

I cant...cause hes my favorite too!!!

[woven tulip]

||i guess, but gerson was only shown as "old man" before that unless you know||

[weary granite]

The game does basically spell out what happens tbh

[signal grail]

||the fountain was made specifically to meet him, its roughly in his silhouette and hes the only character outside of enemies we've interacted with in this chapter||

||first encounter also happens in his study i think||

[gritty goblet]

||tenna is only there with the games if you spared Everyone in ch3 iirc||

[leaden glacier]

||i meant tenna’s theme for lightners live, should’ve clarified sorry||

[leaden glacier]

did i get too much juice

[signal grail]

you can never have too much ButJuice

[heady fossil]

No you have too little juice

[weary granite]

MORE

[leaden glacier]

IM FIGHTING SNEO IM KEEPING THE SANDWICH

wish me luck everyone

sneo why must you be so hard <-making it extremely hard

[signal grail]

sneo 🐌

[leaden glacier]

oh it’s literally not even worth healing ralsei he dies in one hit

[broken solstice]

What challenge run are you even doing no armor?

[leaden glacier]

nope! hellmode but no big shots after the first attack. also have to spam enough bigshots to get maximum attack. and for funsies i have to spare but attack once for no bonus mercy

hellmode is. An accurate descriptor.

oh and i can only do two attempts before quitting out since otherwise the damage starts going down and that wouldnt be a challenge at all

[storm bolt]

butt juice

…nevermind

[leaden glacier]

*Short for Butler Juice.

anyways ive. Certainly succeeded in my attempt at making neo too hard to do first try. perhaps succeeded a little too much

[storm bolt]

I know

[mild hull]

TOO EASY... TRY SNOWGRAVE NEO FIGHT INSTEAD... 😠

[storm bolt]

snowgay

[leaden glacier]

i do think snowgrave neo would be easier atp

[mild hull]

how so? I feel like it's objectively harder in most aspects

fewer turns perhaps

[leaden glacier]

havent fought snowgrave neo in a While so i could be wrong but i feel like i generally would not risk dying in 3 hits from full hp

unless you mean regular neo vs snowgrave ?

[clear sparrow]

Btw small thing I noticed

||in C4 I believe Kris's title is dark beads or something, which is associated with hell (whatever that is in the context of the prophecy)||

||theres also a prophecy with dark beads in it||

[signal grail]

||dark bead: broken off, but still locked||

[clear sparrow]

||yip it was that||

[signal grail]

||the tail of hell?||

[clear sparrow]

||yeah the picture looked like beads to me||

[signal grail]

||that one is so weird idk what its supposed to mean||

it also comes with ||theyll hear the ring of heavens call or something||

[clear sparrow]

||there's another one with like... A ring with wings? Those two are definitely important but it's not clear how yet.||

||the beads have something to do with Kris and the only character that has anything to do with rings is Noelle||

[signal grail]

i wish these came with images

[civic mason]

chaper 3 spiler
||wait do i need to go all the way to 0 with this||
||hhhhh||

[leaden glacier]

c3 ||I MISS TENNAAAAAA ||

[mild hull]

||80%||

[civic mason]

||i got to the attack where they spam slashes in a circle!!||
||i have to be close ||

[civic mason]

||mr. (ant)tenna tv time happens at least once a day (except on sundays)||

||wy is the knight glowing||

[leaden glacier]

i wish ||tv time|| was real,,

[civic mason]

||wy is it glowing wy is it glowing||

[leaden glacier]

don’t even worry about it.

[civic mason]

||i died on the big attack||

[leaden glacier]

auuuuuuu

[clear sparrow]

||'hell' being in the prophecy is very interesting to me because of gaster's whole 666 theme||

[civic mason]

||wait that means i did something right bc||
||i skipped that evil diagonal attack||

[signal grail]

VERY, VERY INTERESTING

[mild hull]

||you get cool custom dialogue for that!||

[civic mason]

||gaster saw something almost hapen|||
||this time hes gona see trust||

[clear sparrow]

Hello it's me w.d gaste r

All your theories are wrong, goodbye.

Also the eggs are in the game just so I can make an omelette in chapter 7

[signal grail]

Hello it's me w.d gaste r
All your theories are wrong, goodbye.
Also the eggs are in the game just so I can make an omelette in chapter 7

[civic mason]

||the trick is heal ralsei bc they're a good luck charm (every single time ive ever gotten far, ralsei was there)||

[clear sparrow]

This would unironically be so funny though

[signal grail]

hes making goiled eggs

(gaster boiled)

[leaden glacier]

I MISS ||TENNA|| (c3)

[civic mason]

||i can dodge on that diagonal battle box attack now :D||
||im getting better !!||

[crude gull]

i need to beat chaoter four but the fights are so unfun

they need a cheat gamemode

where you cheat

and then the game isnt painfully difficult for no reason anymore

block tales has that, its called asking someone for help

[civic mason]

||i died 4 attacks after that attack tho ||

[leaden glacier]

uhhhh there’s save editing to ||fill your inventory with tp items|| or boosting your defense and other stats if you want to ?

[crude gull]

too much work

[leaden glacier]

there are online save editors you don’t need to do it manually

[sly grotto]

ch4

✧ the moment i realised i could play a full octave i knew what to do 😭

[vivid verge]

||Like the beads in the hospital?||

[signal grail]

yes

[leaden glacier]

i miss himmmmm i hope we see him again

[leaden glacier]

YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAY

[civic mason]

chaper 3 spilers

[leaden glacier]

YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[civic mason]

||look at mr. tenna's smile||
||he loves it||

[leaden glacier]

he’s Soooooo silly i love him

[meager hatch]

Me too

||tenna is super silly||

||ill forgive him for trapping kris susie and ralsei||

^ chapter 3 spoils

[leaden glacier]

||he was desperate!!||

[civic mason]

||he just needed viewers||

[leaden glacier]

he’s Soooooo normal he makes me so sad .

[civic mason]

||divorce leads tv to bad places (more divorce)||

[leaden glacier]

HELP

[civic mason]

what

ar yu ok

[leaden glacier]

yeah i just say help when i find things funny

[civic mason]

o ok

[somber skiff]

F1

[alpine estuary]

chapter 4
||have you seen the "Lost where the forest would grow, the children followed the pointed tail" dialogue? it's the best thing we have to connect to this part of the prophecy||

[supple belfry]

i wonder what's the dark fountain room in Ralsei's Castle gonna be significant for. its been locked for a long time now. unless im overthinking a bit on it and its probably nothing

[hasty sapphire]

||Wasn't there a page on Noelle's blog about cat petters explaining that all cats in it are made out of circles||

||This hell's tail thing seems connected ||

[signal grail]

no whewre is that

[alpine estuary]

||people are theorising that this is true, so the tail that was mentioned (both in the prophecy and in the separate dialogue) are image_friend since image_friend is also sometimes referred to as a cat in the files||

[alpine estuary]

||idk where exactly it is, but it's dialogue in chapter 4 said by an "unimportant" npc, and it was in an arg before chapter 3 and 4. it's put through a cipher||

[alpine estuary]

||people were able to uncipher it and this is the best interpretation of the cipher||

[signal grail]

:intellectual:

[alpine estuary]

CHAPTER 4
here is the room in question ||https://www.reddit.com/r/Deltarune/s/9Uzc06jfq0||

tell me if it doesn't link to it lol

[signal grail]

the room in question

[signal grail]

||one of the comments says the fallen star is gaster but idk why gaster would be weeping he did fall into the core though and its possible the shaodw crystals go from him to the knight to the darkners||

||fallen star seems kind of like another religious/holiday/christmas thingy though which would be more dess :YEAGGG:||

||children grow, the pointed tail. the forest where would the Lost followed||

is there any website that automatically shows every possible combination of words for this

lo

[somber skiff]

why is this just funny

[supple belfry]

does it play music right?

i think its referencing to those keygen programs that usually have those old pre-2010s aesthetics and/or with music for some reason.

[somber skiff]

yes

damn

[hasty sapphire]

||I wish textbox sprites like this had visible tears on them||

||I guess this fake smile does a good enough job||

[civic mason]

(chaper 3 soukers)
||i had a realy good knight run||
||i managed to get a rudebuster almost every turn||
||i died tho||

||i won!!||

chaper 3 spilers
||heck yea, susie||

[leaden glacier]

YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAY GOOD JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sudden pilot]

CONGA RATS

[civic mason]

woa ||+10 attack!?||

[sudden pilot]

||I actually just did a knight fight myself, it still kicks my ass||

[leaden glacier]

smiles so sweetly

[sudden pilot]

||meanwhile I can beat gerson on my first attempt, I just take a fuck ton of damage|| (chapter 4)

[leaden glacier]

i’m currently still stuck on sneo before i can do c3 </3

[sudden pilot]

TBH I find him the easiest of the secrets

[leaden glacier]

oh i’m not fighting him normally

my hubris got to me and i made him harder

[sudden pilot]

weird route?

[leaden glacier]

but now he’s kicking my ass

thrashing it, if you will

[leaden glacier]

nope ! i don’t have the heart for that

[sudden pilot]

oh you're doing the enraged thing aren't you

[leaden glacier]

hellmode but no bshot spam after the first attack

Yeah.

[sudden pilot]

good fuckin luck

[leaden glacier]

he does like. 100+ damage at maximum attack ^_^

[civic mason]

||gerson is fun fight :D||

[leaden glacier]

i.e. kills ralsei instantly

[leaden glacier]

heart chain does like 54

[sudden pilot]

ralsei watching the secret bosses rapidly approach him

[leaden glacier]

but it’s a full team hit

HELP

[civic mason]

i saw ||weird route chaper 4|| pieces is scary

[sudden pilot]

(he is about to die)

[leaden glacier]

i have a feeling c3 is. Not going to be this bad

[civic mason]

i might 3d model ralsei soon

[leaden glacier]

but yeagh i can do normal sneo first try i just wanted a challenge and maybe got more than i wanted

i Swear i’m not ass at this game i’m just Arrogant

[sudden pilot]

uhhh...
to put it simply in comparison to base sneo
no

[leaden glacier]

i know what c3 is i just don’t wanna spoil tag it because. i’m lazy

so i’m just calling it c3

kind of excited to fight ||shmantle freak|| again though tbh

[civic mason]

john c3 inventor of c3 in 1883 wen he made the 3rd chaper of anything for the firstest time everer

[sudden pilot]

(Ch 3) ||my experience with the knight was a fucking horrifying time in the first genuine playthrough, it is an absolutely DEVASTATING fight even with the mantle||

[leaden glacier]

i’ve fought them before

i’m aware they suck

[sudden pilot]

I wouldn't say they suck

[civic mason]

||ye knight is very hard||
||i find it super fun tho idk wy||

[leaden glacier]

however this time i do NOT have to ||start from before tenna brings down toriel Every Single Goddamn Attempt /silly||

[leaden glacier]

suck as in, thrash my ass

[civic mason]

||maybe is the challenge of the attacks (an most are actually pretty balanced)||

[sudden pilot]

||I think the knight's attack are super well designed, it's just that they're willing to push the difficulty to the extreme well still being enjoyable||

[leaden glacier]

if i meant it like. Sucked as in poorly designed i would say like. Annoying or something

generally if i say suck it means i am getting my ass handed to me and am frustrated

[civic mason]

(chaper 4 spilers) ||i love the church song being that one part of dont forget||

[sudden pilot]

I can't really say what my least favorite secret boss is, they're all too good

uhhhh I guess spamton neo is my least favorite by a slim margin

still peak

[civic mason]

i never fought jevil but i think all the secrets ar nice

[leaden glacier]

i don’t really like (c4) ||gerson having an Octagon tbh. like it’s just. idk combined with the shells it’s just a Lot and i can get overwhelmed by new mechanics very quickly. it’d also probably be far easier on controller but i don’t just Have a controller lying around||

jevil’s not too bad tbh i fought him with like 2 armor slots unfilled as soon as he was unlockable and won

[hasty sapphire]

Ch4 fight is much easier on controller imo

[civic mason]

||i thought the octagon was fun||
||for some reason i was decent at it instead of being horrible with any fight in the entire game like i usualy am||

[sudden pilot]

||I think the eight way is really great evolution on the green soul from undertale, similar to the addition of bshot for yellow||

[leaden glacier]

yeah it’s neat it’s just like. ||i don’t have the reaction time to both a) figure out what keys i need to press b) track the shell and c) Properly Move There||

it’s a lot of moving parts compared to sneo which was just. Press and hold

[hasty sapphire]

||I blame shell for all that||

The blue one

[leaden glacier]

yeah

[sudden pilot]

||gerson hate WILL NOT be tolerated (/silly)||

[leaden glacier]

i don’t hate him i just suck at his fight

it’s like. idk the new chapters have felt very. i just kind of suck at the bosses

[sudden pilot]

||they definitely feel like difficulty spikes||

[hasty sapphire]

Well that's the difficulty progression

[sudden pilot]

||even the normal enemies IMO||

[hasty sapphire]

Ch4 has some very nasty enemy patterns

[leaden glacier]

like (c3) ||tenna has rapid switching minigames, there’s a rhythm game|| (c4) ||gerson has a Bunch of moving parts|| and i just. Don’t have the needed reaction time

[sudden pilot]

||buble||

[leaden glacier]

idk i wish there was an accessibility option to just. Slow everything the fuck down. but i don’t really know if that’s a possibility

[sudden pilot]

||I didn't really think the average chapter 4 enemy had that bad of patterns||

[leaden glacier]

the normal enemies for both chapters have been fine for me tbh

[sudden pilot]

||TBH one of the hardest things for me in ch4 was jackenstein ||

[hasty sapphire]

On average they're fine but there are specific few that I really strtuggle with

||Like solo organikk's pillar of light that then fires notes moving in a wave pattern||

||Or bibliox's bubble spam||

[leaden glacier]

||jackenstein was fine but my friends kept giving me unsolicited advice ||

like Please ?? do not spoil me on how the mechanics Work ?? that is something i enjoy learning after i finish the chapter ?????

[hasty sapphire]

Not a fan of how tension items work in these fights

||I accidentally skipped 1/3 of jackenstein fight this way||

[leaden glacier]

ah rip

oh fun fact ||so everyone here knows how the your taking too long Works right||

well apparently. ||like other attacks from any other enemy the battle box has a timer. which means technically you could beat the fight by literally taking too long without being in much danger||

||this timer is like 9 hours but it’s Possible||

when i learn niche useless facts i like to share them

[signal grail]

what if ass at this game AND arrogant

[leaden glacier]

then you are. Me sometimes

[signal grail]

no i meant u

/silly

[signal grail]

i agree

||i like the green soul but it kinda feels like with the octagon specific patterns weren't taught properly||

||all it would really take imo is one move where all the shells appear on the diagonals separately and then you can probably intuit the simultaneous one from later||

[karmic crown]

||doing the octagon with wasd was painful, i think doing it with controller input would've gone muchhh smoother. it was still fun tho imo||

[coral ibex]

i cannot stop thinking about deltarune

this is rain world level hyperfixation and by that i mean i am cooking a PMV

[crimson wyvern]

i have been binging deltarune theories and analyses for the past week

i swear im a normal human being

[leaden glacier]

i need to start finding niche fact videos about the new chapters

[coral ibex]

i cant play watcher? fine. no watcher spoilers because my youtube is entirely deltarune theories, memes, animations, and shit now. oh boy look a watcher spoiler in the middle because my life is a [The Knight]mare

much nicer though now that i have a new fixation to find every detail about and be hopelessly frustrated with :3

[coral ibex]

i love deltarune fandom theories because theyre so well constructed and pull so many good sources that would go ignored by normal human beings

[crimson wyvern]

true

[coral ibex]

said theories will be shattered immediately upon the next chapter releasing 80% of the time but whatever

[leaden glacier]

||there’s a theory i’m scared off based off the thumbnail that says rudy ?? is the knight||

[leaden glacier]

shoutout to ||flowers being the c3 boss|| theory

[coral ibex]

some theories… ESPECIALLY THE ONES I AGREED WITH YAYAYA I WAS RIGHT… held up.

[crimson wyvern]

its actually a pretty good theory

[leaden glacier]

hmmmmm i’ll take a look

[coral ibex]

||which boss? not the knight, probably||

[crimson wyvern]

also funny imag

[leaden glacier]

||ah, sorry, flowers being the c3 secret boss theory||

we knew ||tenna|| would likely be the c3 main boss

[coral ibex]

||im actually struggling with the knight so hard despite being able to no-hit the first attack. its not a fun game i can get into unless i am kicking, punching, and crying on my bed ||

[coral ibex]

||ohhh||

||yeah tenna was pretty clear||

||so… in the sword route or another secret i dont know about? ‘eram’ or whatever were calling that little guy now||

[leaden glacier]

||ramb !||

[coral ibex]

|| ramb? not the shadow mantle holder?||

||i assumed they were seperate entities||

[leaden glacier]

oh

OH

sorry

you’re right

[crimson wyvern]

||the knight takes the place of the secret boss who gives you the crystal but shadow mantle boss is also kinda like a secret boss||

[leaden glacier]

i think most people just call them ||shadow mantle||

[leaden glacier]

me when i’m good at reading comprehension

[coral ibex]

||yeahh ive been trying to figure out what to call them. so the shadow mantle is the flowers, huh? interesting…||

[leaden glacier]

||i was citing the flowers as a theory that was completely wrong||

[coral ibex]

||oh ok||

wait how are the names multicolored?

i just noticed that

[leaden glacier]

id:customize

[coral ibex]

you can multicolor roles now?

thats possible? holy shit

[signal grail]

||eram is the name of the song that plays while it talks i think, thats why ppl call it eram||

[leaden glacier]

booster thingy

[coral ibex]

ohhh.

its a booster thing

[signal grail]

||https://youtu.be/c9pnoMwi3PA||

[coral ibex]

still, reallt really cool feature

[hasty sapphire]

His name is ||John Mantle||

[leaden glacier]

||he has. One good day. where he can go to a place for a couple hours where he’s mostly just sitting down. and suddenly that means he can walk and fight and shit ??||

that was. Interesting. to put it simply.

[halcyon finch]

fun fact (ch4 very lategame spoiler) ||the titanspawns use this animation when you kill them||

[leaden glacier]

inchresting

[halcyon finch]

||it also gives kris a slain counter in their stats||

[hasty sapphire]

Me when Kris

[leaden glacier]

||what did they ever do to you,,,,,||

[hasty sapphire]

||Collaborate with big bad||

[alpine estuary]

chapter 4

i can't find a good one lol. i found one but it spat out this abomination of a paragraph 😭

[alpine estuary]

chapter 4

but yeah ||if we follow grammar rules, we know that "Lost" is first since it's a capital, and "tail." is last because of the full stop. it can't be multiple sentences because there is no other word with a capital letter. this interpretation of it makes the most sense: "Lost where the forest would grow, the children followed the pointed tail."||

[clear sparrow]

||imo atmost he's gonna get tiny little extra cutscenes||

[eager lotus]

yeah im the boss

i play picayune dreams in my freetime YAAAAAWN

and it was even my first try

[supple belfry]

wait...

whats this

[hasty sapphire]

Shadow crystal tracker

Columns are chapters, rows are save files

[supple belfry]

damn they copied rain world's arena unlocks token tracker /s

[supple belfry]

damn (chp 4) ||i didnt knew they added in temmie singing dont forget. sad that its just up to four lines of it 😔||

[woven tulip]

celeste

[woven tulip]

by being woke

[woven tulip]

||well, it’s also dark world tbf, maybe it’s different||

[leaden glacier]

||is it though? like. we Know physical conditions can affect you in the dark world. susie is still hungry in chapter 1 no matter what you do. i don’t think it’d be much different for rudy being ill. i don’t like this theory much tbh. it just seems like part of it is that they don’t understand how maladies ?? Work ?? like. it’s not a linear path. there’s going to be good days and bad days.||

unrelated i should Probably give up fighting evil sneo

[supple belfry]

for some reason, i want to || make a deltarune version of the "WERE YOU RUSHING OR WERE YOU DRAGGING?" Whiplash scene with Susie as Andrew and (for some reason) Ralsei as Mr. Fletcher||

(chp3)

[gritty goblet]

roblox oaklands build, ch3 spoiler

[civic mason]

||i may have forgotten to save (i realy cant remember if i did or not)||

[hasty sapphire]

||You don't save after it, you just finish the chapter||

[civic mason]

(chaper 3 spilers)
||here we go again..||

||at least i beat it once||

[civic mason]

||i don have the item anymore tho||

[leaden glacier]

i have decided to make him Slightly easier

[civic mason]

||i realy don wana fight again||
||im so stupid||

[leaden glacier]

okay question did you start the c4 save slot via the chapter 3 save slot menu

[civic mason]

no

[leaden glacier]

that’d be your issue

[civic mason]

||i jus need to win again||

||i won (again!!)||

||ig it realy does get easier after the first time :D||

||this time only took 2 attempts :D||

(cheper 3 spilers) ||wait how come the knight had to dodge undyne's spears but not rude buster||

||how strong is undyne||

[leaden glacier]

should i just give up and fight him normally

[civic mason]

if yu want but im sure yu can win

[leaden glacier]

update i am Giving Up ^_^

i Do wanna test something though eel quick

ill just do my normal thing of no bshots

[broken solstice]

||ngl rude buster does cause something that looks like an explosion, and also you attack with it only during the turn-based combat, so it is a bit hard to dodge||

||The only times we see someone dodge in turn-based combat is after we tell them to dodge, with exception of Gerson (but he is already like a living legend so idk)||

||and to add to that, in both of those cases, Rude Buster is never dodged||

[civic mason]

||gerson "breaks" the rules (just like in undertale)||

[broken solstice]

Yeah

[civic mason]

||gerson is a great character he's hilarious (an even a little meta (specificaly in undertale)||

[hasty sapphire]

||Doesn't knight dodge like 4 rude busters in ch4||

[civic mason]

||if they did i forgot (my memory is horible)||

[leaden glacier]

okay yeah that was easy first try but ralsei went down like once though

[civic mason]

ralsei nooo

[leaden glacier]

he was fine at the end of the battle

[broken solstice]

Wait where

[leaden glacier]

god spamton makes me ill.

[hasty sapphire]

Before ||the titan||

[leaden glacier]

i dont even like deltarune. /lying

[civic mason]

spaming g spamig

[civic mason]

(cheper 3) ||let spamtin visit mr. tenna||
||he'll finish teaching him the technologies an becoming a big shot||

[leaden glacier]

right

definitely

[woven tulip]

you didn’t have to if you saw the credits 💔

there is an autosave after seeing credits

[civic mason]

wait realy

[woven tulip]

kinda

it can be only used to continue into the next chapter

basically there is a separate save for chapter completion

[civic mason]

o im stupid
well at ||least i won on attempt 2||

[woven tulip]

which is what you will see in "Ch3 Files"

when starting ch4

[woven tulip]

i think yes

[hasty sapphire]

||I wonder if maybe adults in dark worlds are really that much stronger than anyone we've seen so far||

||Why else would knight need Toriel to stay asleep and how did Asgore manage to get a black shard||

[signal grail]

||adults Are stronger than children so yeah probably||

[civic mason]

chaper 4 (an 3) spoilers ||i get to play tv time in the dark world!!||

[hasty sapphire]

||But are adults stronger than a teen overtaken by darkness||

[signal grail]

probably

[leaden glacier]

he's so easy to bully

[civic mason]

chaper 4 spilers

[broken solstice]

man made a game and forgot how it should be played

[leaden glacier]

yayyyyy giga queen first try

[civic mason]

(chaper 4 spiler)
||if the first 3 of the shelter code is 1,2,2||
||an susie says wen noelle's mom enters the room, the temperature dropps 5 degrees||
||the code is my birthday yipi||

[signal grail]

||1225 is also the december holiday and the code to the parental lock in chapter 3||

[leaden glacier]

i miss ||tennaaaaaa|| c3

[woven tulip]

i don’t think there is anything proving it

||the only one we saw is undyne, who the knight easily captured||

[mild hull]

||I think the whole "dont let toriel wake up itll be bad" thing was an order from kris to tenna||

[signal grail]

||toriel probably already knows about dark worlds and what happened to dess so she would go batshit if she found out kris were making any||

[mild hull]

||perhaps in an attempt to keep toriel hidden away from the knight until undyne could arrive.||

||trying to swap out one sacrifice for another||

[woven tulip]

||we also got the black shard . alternatively, the knight just given it to asgore||

[woven tulip]

||what could the sacrifice be for, though||

[mild hull]

||shrug! all we know is that the voice on the phone mentions a police sacrifice||

[woven tulip]

||toriel doesn’t seem to be special in any way, why couldn’t the knight take berdly or noelle in chapter 2 instead ||

[mild hull]

||you could interpret toriel as correlating to the delta rune field on the code and then itd make sense that the police would be a worthy alternative||

but I do think that's a stretch

[woven tulip]

||i don’t think the delta rune is really related to toriel, though. it’s probably something with the church. because, the delta rune is a religious symbol, that is everywhere. and other lightners have similar clothes with the delta rune (as seen in ch4)||

[signal grail]

||its important to note that when the knight is "capturing" toriel they do a completely different action than when they capture undyne||

||so i think toriels significance isnt the same as undynes||

[signal grail]

||also it seems like this is intentionally misleading just bc we cant hear any full sentences||

||itll be interesting to see what ppl fill in the blanks with||

[woven tulip]

||it could also be because toriel is closer to the knight and won’t attack back||

||the knight uses different attacks in the fight after all, it doesn’t mean it has significance which specifically aside of which one is more convenient at the moment||

[crude gull]

i need to stop coming up with insane theories

i'm going mad

[leaden glacier]

yay ^_^

[hardy marsh]

Congrats :3

[civic mason]

ty :D

[heady fossil]

Why is Burghly on fire😭

I mean, he deserves it but the world would be better off with Burghley frozen🥹

[mild hull]

defrosted chicken

[somber skiff]

ch3 secret

||welp ch6's coming in 11 years||

||toby confirmed||

[signal grail]

chapter 11 in 11 years

[somber skiff]

real

also i love how
||Ch1: 🌲⬅️➡️⬅️➡️||
||Ch2: :🏙️⬅️➡️⬅️➡️||
||Ch3: ⬆️↘️⬅️⬇️↕️↗️⬅️⬅️⬅️⬅️||

[signal grail]

what

[somber skiff]

🥚

[signal grail]

ohh

[woven tulip]

papyrus is ralsei theory

[wispy steppe]

https://youtu.be/YOLTCw7sA14?si=Lh0xCfu0LMKf3XTz bro he had a vision

[somber skiff]

nah, papyrus is you

[wispy steppe]

Failboat is papyrus /ref

[woven tulip]

||it’s not referring to the game, probably 💔||

ch4 ||the voice also talks about deltarune waiting||

[somber skiff]

||"my deltarune" no tf gaster i paid £20 for it it's mine||

[civic mason]

its chaper 4 time

[woven tulip]

annoying dog is gaster 🔥

[somber skiff]

toby fox is ness

[crude gull]

NOO!!!!!!!!!!

[woven tulip]

annoying dog in ch5.

kris, i remember you’re dog dollars

[civic mason]

chaper 4 spilers
||compassion||

[crude gull]

||compassion||

[woven tulip]

compression

[somber skiff]

show this to a ch2 deltarune player and they'll think this is shitpost

[civic mason]

||compassion||

[somber skiff]

||com passion fruit||

[wispy steppe]

Toby is the knight because he made the game and therefore made the dark fountains

[leaden glacier]

i miss ||tennaaaaa || c3

[signal grail]

kris, i remember you're dreemurrs

[clear sparrow]

||i honestly dont think it's his ithink it belongs to carol and he's just looking at it in her room, but dunno i guess we'll see||

[vivid verge]

Kris is remember you're dog residue

[crude gull]

THE FUCKING FLOWEY EYEE

kris, i remember you're yellows

[clear sparrow]

isnt that

prunsel

originally

[hardy marsh]

I think

[clear sparrow]

its him

i cant believe you dont know his name smh...

[leaden glacier]

||MY TENNA WHO I LIKE|| C3

why is he like that i hope he trips on his face <3

he's SO stupid i hate him /aff

okay i will shut up now

[woven tulip]

||that’s a katana, not the black shard ||

[lone tusk]

horror

[civic mason]

wait since wen did they mix dont forget and hopes and dreams

[somber skiff]

real

[crude gull]

||i wish you could have noelle and susie discover the fact youre a soul|| ch4

[civic mason]

||gerson time|| (cahper 4 spilers)

||shuldn be too hard since i already won once||

[signal grail]

||have you finished chapter 4?||

[civic mason]

||i got realy close to winnibg first try||

[crude gull]

||no :(||

||titan is too hard i hate it||

[signal grail]

i see

[crude gull]

okay wait

||ARE THEY ACTUALLY TRYING TO MAKE ME FUCKING GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE GODDAMN INTRO TO THE TITAN AGAIN||

[civic mason]

||i died on last attack ||

[crude gull]

||WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS GAMES PROBLEM||

||I GENUINELY HATE THIS||

ch4

||NO THEY ACTUALY ARE THAT IS SO FUCKING STUPID||

||sometimes i genuinely hate this game||

[hasty sapphire]

||Sorry Toby ran out of checkpoints after the light world||

[crude gull]

||stupid climbing sequence isnt fun, nor is ridiculously hard story fight, and forcefully putting them next to eachother without saves is like negative game design||

||YKNOW THIS KINDA REMINDS ME TEMPORAL TOWER||

[civic mason]

||died last attack again||

[crude gull]

||ok that was actually alot shorter than i remember it being||

||WAIT NO THAT RIGHT THIS ISNT EVEN THE BOSS||

||NEVERMIND THIS DOES SUCK||

[hasty sapphire]

There isn't strong evidence for it so far but ||the way game (and possible knight itself) avoids having adults in light worlds makes me feel like it's going to be a significant story point||

[hasty sapphire]

||And that I think was an order from knight to Kris||

[crude gull]

||ARE THERE SERIOUSLY NO SAVES IS THIS ACTUALLY SUPPOSED TO BE A PMDTWO REFERENCE||

i cant

pretend

that i'm not angry

i just cant

i really cant

goodbye

[signal grail]

||you have to do the whole climbing sequence if you die to the titan??||

[crude gull]

||if you exit the game, not if you die
since i didnt want to leave the game open i closed it||

||anyways as i was about to say block tales has better gameplay :3c||

[signal grail]

ohh

thats kinda bullshit

[crude gull]

YEAH

||whats tge best strategy btw||

ok nvm i won

ugh

[leaden glacier]

YAYAYAYAYAAYAAYAYAYAYAYAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII GUY WHO I LIKE YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

[somber skiff]

character development

[leaden glacier]

oh i Love him i just pretend to hate him

[somber skiff]

damn

still

character development

[leaden glacier]

true !

I MISS HIM.

[crude gull]

ch4 base end
||oh my god........................drunk toriel ..... thsi sucks||

|| ||

[signal grail]

[somber skiff]

real

[signal grail]

||now that you have i was gonna say susie will probably find out in chapter 5 bc of the comment she makes after defeating the titan (something like "kris, that heart, is it your..?")||

[leaden glacier]

c3 ||I HATE TV I MISS HIM I CANNOT KEEP HIM I WANTNTO SO BADLY BUT I WOULD BE THENONLY ONE BENEFITTING. I MISS TV I MISS TRNNA I WANT HIM TO BE OKAY I MISS TV. I LOVE TV||

[civic mason]

||tenor mr. tenna blast||

[leaden glacier]

YAY

[leaden glacier]

i was Not kidding when i said i liked him.

one of my first messages in this thread was about how i wanted to throw rocks at him

[civic mason]

||mr. tenna has to return right?!||
||its tv time!! what ar we gonan do without mr. tenna?!||
||he has to return||

[leaden glacier]

hopefully,,

[civic mason]

(chaper 3 + 4 spilers) ||give gerson a crt||

[leaden glacier]

||i miss tenna.|| c3

[civic mason]

(chaper 4) ||i played the puzzle song without messing it up an i thought a cool easter egg wuld hapen but actualy it just makes the last note mess up automaticaly||

[final rivet]

Tried making one of these. No spoilers needed

If you get the game it's from then I am proud of you

[civic mason]

i have a feeling carry on means a homophone instead of the actual cary on words
i probably wrong tho

[heady fossil]

I know what game it is

Carrion, the reverse horror game

[civic mason]

it was a homophone !!
i was right !!

[heady fossil]

It was indeed a play on words

[supple belfry]

(chp3) bro

[civic mason]

(chaper 3 an 4 spilers) ||knight how culd yu do this to mr. tenna||

[crude gull]

||yay||

[leaden glacier]

ch3 ||does anyone know what tenna’s referring to with saying he shouldn’t have done the pipes but every pipe has to go somewhere ?||

[lone tusk]

peak

[lone tusk]

real

[lone tusk]

what is ralsei

what creature

[woven tulip]

there is a little strategy called ||"beating the roaring knight"||

||both the black shard and the shadow mantle make the fight way easier and faster||

||also preferably other three secret bosses as well . dealmaker can further increase magic for susie’s rude buster, jevilstail for ralsei. and beating hammer of justice permanently increase susie’s base magic too (and the axe has high damage)||

[woven tulip]

saint

[sinful zephyr]

@grand slate

Behold, insert that one dude

[grand slate]

Hurray!

[grand slate]

I have too much of these open season parody memes

So

Erm

:3

[clear sparrow]

what do you think would happen if you made a dark fountain in the middle of a city

like not in a room

just a random road 🚬

[crude gull]

||you have used two slugtrolls so i'm gonna assume this is a joke||

anyways um

||if we're supposed to represent freedom and choice why cant i separate from kris in peace >:(|| ch4

||like i'm forced to give susie the guitar against my will i never wanted to do that||

||i dont think we're free guys||

[clear sparrow]

||apparently asgore's prophecy's code name is called boss3 while tenna and queen are boss 2 and 1 || c4 spoil

||a fight against a lightner will be very very interesting me thinks...||

[hardy marsh]

Ch3 spoilers

[leaden glacier]

gonna fight ||the knight|| wish me luck

[hasty sapphire]

Not gonna work I think

So far all the fountains were created in dark places

[leaden glacier]

this is evil sneo all over again

[broken solstice]

Good luck!!!

[leaden glacier]

thank you,,,,

[signal grail]

i think you couldnt

there would be too much light

but if you did it would just be the roaring

[leaden glacier]

||also isn’t a part of it like. the weird smoke stuff filling a space anyways. like even if you did it at Midnight it still wouldn’t work since you’re in the open air. though i could be completely wrong|| kind of c4

like in c2

[broken solstice]

||I dont think classroom and library dark worlds have them? Idk||

[hasty sapphire]

||Toby just didn't have smoke graphics back in ch1-2 probably||

||Well he did at the end of ch2 but it still looks more like art style difference than a meaningful detail||

[leaden glacier]

ah fair

[clear sparrow]

do it at night.....

[leaden glacier]

i mean toby Has changed smaller graphics in previous chapters (see: librarby door in c1) (i Think ?? it got changed to being a double door after c2 released)

[clear sparrow]

oh yea i also noticed

i think all the dark fountains are made during night time?

all the ones we see get made atleast

oh wait actually

c2 dark fountain wasnt probably

since noelle and berdly were already sitting down before the fountain happened

unless they got a big case of amnesia and somehow got sat down lol

[leaden glacier]

so were kris and susie though weren’t they

[clear sparrow]

kris and susie were standing in front of the doorway

after we close the portal

[hasty sapphire]

Maybe they just walked in thinking it's a regular dark room

Like Kris and Susie in ch1

[clear sparrow]

maybe...

i guess they somehow got sat down while inside the dark fountain or something lo

[hasty sapphire]

There haven't been any changes to old chapters with ch3-4 release, I hope he does a revamp update later

Earlier chapters feel inconsistent with the new ones at times

[leaden glacier]

not really

[clear sparrow]

oh well

still standing or whatever

[leaden glacier]

actually wait a second they had a whole laptop and stuff but like ?? Only two chairs ???? for what purpose,,

[clear sparrow]

i think presumably theres two more chairs where noelle and berdly were

that table sprite is funny though it does look really short lol

[leaden glacier]

maybe ?? but yeagh the table looks a little Too short to allow unseeable chairs

[clear sparrow]

it looks so short it feels like you could just

sit down on the floor

and still be able to reach the computers lol

[leaden glacier]

yeah,,,

but there’s also ?? what appear to be like. Desk chairs ?? so ??

maybe they got shrunk in the battery acid

[clear sparrow]

potential c4 spoil idk i might be hallucinating ||but doesnt the church in c4 also have an object you can interact with that says a big person could fit here or whatever||

[leaden glacier]

YEAH.

||it does and i think it’s implied to be the knight?? not like. by any Particular dialogue but just. the tone. the lack of option to Open the door.||

c2 does as well

however c2 already has it open. so

[hasty sapphire]

||I wonder if another locked classroom left from the closet could be a place knight hid in||

There's also suspicious locked door in second floor of Asgore's shop

And another door behind the cauldron in castle town

Why are closed doors so suspicious

[leaden glacier]

presumably the cauldron door could lead to the fountain which um

i don’t. Think it would be a good idea to seal that.

[hasty sapphire]

Ok yeah that makes sense

[leaden glacier]

given the prophecy is about the Balance of light and dark

[hasty sapphire]

||Wonder if there's a chance that both worlds end up merged in the end||

Too good to be true

[leaden glacier]

i think Everyone thought that that door would lead to a dark world pre c3-4 ||and now. Well. gerson’s whole. hammer of justice.||

[leaden glacier]

i don’t think that’d be a good thing !

given the roaring is about there being a Shit Ton of dark fountains and darkners turning to stone and lightners having a Bad Time

that’s not even spoilers oops

[hasty sapphire]

Shit ton of dark fountains doesn't sound very balanced

I imagined something like undertale world, normal but with magic

How do we get to that? No idea

[leaden glacier]

i don’t really think it’d be possible

||ralsei at the start of c3 explains why not||

[hasty sapphire]

||Well Susie has a pen and she doesn't want the fun to end||

Wonder what that will lead to

[hasty sapphire]

But the magic of friendship

I wouldn't like that I think

[leaden glacier]

i don’t think it’d work anyways

it also wouldn’t be very good symbolism imo

[hasty sapphire]

Yeah

[leaden glacier]

dark worlds are all about escapism and fantasy and such

so just.. letting that all be real

would be a bad story i think

[hasty sapphire]

Yeah

Our heroes must suffer and maybe learn something from that

[supple belfry]

the dark shards will become the lightbulb that we can use to light up the dark desolate worl-

wait wrong game

[leaden glacier]

HHWIDHEIDBDH

[hasty sapphire]

Uhh when did this change

Was it patched in or does it appear on subsequent playthroughs/specific save slots

[leaden glacier]

do you have any in your inventory ?

[hasty sapphire]

Second screenshot is from the video, both are with empty inventory

[broken solstice]

Subequent runs iirc

To make S rank easier I assume?

[finite phoenix]

subsequent playthrough

but the extra key is always available

[hasty sapphire]

One is yeah, I was confused where the second one came from

[finite phoenix]

there'sss

1 ||quiz key||
2 ||shop key||
3 ||lancer key||
4 ||tsundere cactus key||
5 - ||drain oasis by drinking it or blocking it, then go all the way down then left past the new path||

[coral ibex]

can he be real please

[finite phoenix]

i have a theory

[finite phoenix]

it's way outta left field and just wishful thinking though, probably won't happen
||as ralsei develops more and more opinions and desires, what if they end up developing enough personhood to where they cease to be a darkner?||

[clear sparrow]

should've sent the fuckass mid dance frame of him where he looks tall

[civic mason]

chaper 4 spilers
||no.||

||i strongly dislike this please stop this||

[finite phoenix]

||toriel winning the worst mom award||

[civic mason]

||forgetting yu child bc yu got drunk dancing with a skeleton the entire day ||

[finite phoenix]

||it's 1-2 AM, her kid isn't home along with their friend, she didn't bother to try to contact them once||
||she threw off going to the diner and making sure susie/kris were okay because asgore showed up once||
||she didn't give kris or susie a way to get back into the house (she locked the door)||
||and instead she's drunk, dancing with the new neighbor janitor||

AND

||they keep doing this while kris is trying to sleep||

[civic mason]

||susie has to come in an say something to make them quiet down||

[finite phoenix]

||https://www.tumblr.com/pinkelotjeart/786333056939229184/hes-gotta-go?source=share ||

(ch4)

[alpine estuary]

chapter 4

[woven tulip]

it’s working but it’s a joke because ||secret bosses are harder than the titan, even if their rewards make it easier||

[signal grail]

do you mean the door to the dark world?

[leaden glacier]

yeagh, it used to be a single door didn’t it?

[signal grail]

that seemed like a dark world entry animatuion thing

[leaden glacier]

could you reword that

[signal grail]

uyeah hang on

[woven tulip]

||dark and third sanctuaries weren’t||

[somber skiff]

ch3
||bro i tryharded this board so much||

[leaden glacier]

good job !!!!!!!

[civic mason]

||woa||
||amazing !!||

[somber skiff]

this is so peak

worth it

🔥

[signal grail]

what i was gonna say was actually wrong so nevermind 😭

[leaden glacier]

ah no worries

[signal grail]

i thought the chapter 2 door was changed to match the closet door specifically but its just a normal double door

[leaden glacier]

AH i 🌊

i believe in survey_program it was just a Single door

and then it got changed to make it consistent

i may be misremembering however

[signal grail]

yeah i looked at both versions

[somber skiff]

ight now that i got everything here time for the funny secret

[signal grail]

||five is in snowgrave i think||

[leaden glacier]

wow the first one looks. Wide now

[woven tulip]

||plot twist: it’s starwalker who is talking because of random space ||

[woven tulip]

no

[signal grail]

its part of the video idk why they have stretch res deltarune 😭

[woven tulip]

||any playthrough after completing chapter 3 on any slot||

[leaden glacier]

is this Stretch is Pissing you off

[woven tulip]

damn i’m hunter now

[leaden glacier]

🐀🐀🐀🐀🐀

[signal grail]

These stretch are Pissing me off...
I'm the original Resolution

[woven tulip]

next secret boss is starwalker:

✱ the air crackles with original freedom.

[finite phoenix]

i can't wait for the new deltarune chapters (5 6 7) where susie inevitably breaks down crying and i shatter into a billion pieces

[grand slate]

The original Ordis

[signal grail]

i cant wait for chapter 7 where starwalker says his iconic line

[finite phoenix]

there is no way we get through deltarune without susie breaking down into tears once

[signal grail]

||These deer are Pissing me off...
I'm the original Roaringknight||

[woven tulip]

what about kris

[finite phoenix]

them too

but like

if susie cries i'm shattering into three bajillion pieces

[grand slate]

Kris get the banana

Potassium

[oak snow]

What if Nubert is the roaring knight

The evidence is so clear that I don’t even have to say it

[leaden glacier]

nubert would NEVER.

[rapid flame]

((3 and 4 spoilers))
||random but like... if the knight really wants to cause the roaring why havent they done it already. they clearly got no problem opening fountains, unless that tires them out more than they show. or did I miss something||
||Like do they need something else to happen first?||

[signal grail]

||i dont think theres any indication so far that the knight specifically wants to cause the roaring, we dont really know what their motive is||

||the roaring is just a side effect of too many fountains being opened at once||

[rapid flame]

||what if "roaring knight" isnt because they wanna cause the roaring what if it's because they keep yelling lol||

[signal grail]

it seems like a double entendre

[crude gull]

||RAAAAAAAAO||

[signal grail]

RAAAAAAAAO

[leaden glacier]

c3/4 ||i miss mike||

s

[storm bolt]

||coming straight from YOUR house (coming!)|| c3

[grand slate]

He's oopy and never gloopy!

I have no idea how the rest of it goes!!!!

[dapper shoal]

||guardian starts playing||

In reality I think it would just make like a pocket of darkness

[grand slate]

This guy is the chapter 5 antagonist trust Toby fox told me I swear /silly

[woven tulip]

||or maybe not? there is at least 4 fountains at the same time in ch4||

[signal grail]

||we dont know how many too many is, and they were only a part of 1 building||

||which is the 4th fountain||

[woven tulip]

i don’t think it matters

card kingdom is right next to castle town

[signal grail]

idk what point youre making

[woven tulip]

||sanctuaries fountains are as close as castle town to card kingdom, yet they count as completely separate fountains, why wouldn’t sanctuaries be like this ||

||we don’t really even know how the roaring looks at the start. maybe, it would have started if we didn’t seal the titan in ch4 ||

[crude gull]

||yes||

[leaden glacier]

c3 ||it’s now time for our feature presentation. feacher! coming straight from your house. coming straight from your house! (coming!) he’s the one (coming!) the king of only! he’s groovy, and never glooby! you can’t get THIS from an egg! the sensation of your screen, the show that makes you scream. say it with him, folks! mr. (ant) tenna’s tv time!||

i have it. Memorised. at least mostly

[signal grail]

i saw this video but i forgot what it was called please send it 🙏

[leaden glacier]

if you have ch3/4 on pc you can literally just get it from the files

lemme get you a youtube link though one second

[signal grail]

wait

im thinking of something else lmao

[leaden glacier]

the ytp edit ?

[signal grail]

yeah i think so

i thouight thats what you were saying

[leaden glacier]

||it’s now time for our [FEET]||..

[leaden glacier]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yoCELdOIrs this?

[signal grail]

nope

i found it

[leaden glacier]

!!

[signal grail]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzmAQgemTZs||

||coming straight to you right now right now in your house he's not glooby and... he's in your house!||

[leaden glacier]

HBAIDJEIDNDJ

[signal grail]

hes not glooby

[leaden glacier]

HES NEVER.

[finite phoenix]

(CH3)

||(you can just grab it in the files directly lol)||

[leaden glacier]

i’m aware !

[finite phoenix]

and even better

[leaden glacier]

[finite phoenix]

||you can just replace the video and it works||

[signal grail]

SJ_0 type shit

[civic mason]

||mr. (ant)tenna's t.v. time!!!||

[coral ibex]

i cant believe toby fox brought back the ytp genre

/j

though he brought it back in the fandoms im in so.. kind of yeah

[civic mason]

chaper 3 spilers ||what if i made a 3d model of mr. (ant)tenna||

[woven tulip]

||"feacher" isn’t even a real word 💔||

[leaden glacier]

yeagh,,,

[woven tulip]

it looks weird without subtitles

[grand raft]

Hey Noelle check out my new cut

yall dont understand how funny this image is

[uneven prism]

Please don't post chapter 6 spoilers

[grand raft]

kris get a new haircut in the end of chapter 5 actually

[somber skiff]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZFBWqQLX0g||

i love this vid

[leaden glacier]

i thought it was the start of 7?

[leaden glacier]

i don’t think you have to spoil tag chapter 2

unless there’s c3/4 references in there ?

[somber skiff]

||idk force of habit||

[somber skiff]

no

[mild hull]

do we have any stuff from chapter 5 yet actually

like, sweepstakes previews or whatnot

[grand raft]

start of chapter 7 is when kris starts to share their haircut

[mild hull]

I feel like we solely saw c3 and c4, thinking back on it

[grand raft]

everyone in town has the same haircut

[mild hull]

but I could be misremembering something

[leaden glacier]

not anything that isn’t ingame foreshadowing afaik

[grand raft]

i got chills when everyone in town went bald because of kris in chapter 8

[leaden glacier]

i miss spamton sweepstakes

[leaden glacier]

oh my god do you remember the Incident™ from that in chapter 9 with ralsei.

[grand raft]

that was cruel

[leaden glacier]

i think it was pretty missable but the dust bunny guys really messed me up in that.

[grand raft]

i always chose “keep exploding” instead of interrupting him

[somber skiff]

real

[leaden glacier]

yeah its easily the better option

[grand raft]

did yall do ralsei route on chapter 6?

it was crazy when we discovered he was using another cape and he isnt white 🥹

[signal grail]

the cursed part of this doesnt even have anything to do with the baldness

its just that kris has their eyes open

😭

STOP OPENING KRIS' EYES!!!!! let our babygirl sleep peacefully 🥰

[grand raft]

i love how they just have a small head

THAT FACE

LMAO

[somber skiff]

LMAO

[woven tulip]

release date

i mean year

[lone tusk]

guh

[crude gull]

i almost accidentally video called you

[storm bolt]

ch4 ||why is everyone mad at toriel||

[leaden glacier]

mood

[heady fossil]

Ralsei pfp goes hard

(Correct me if I'm wrong please)

[leaden glacier]

people think she’s a horrible mom for ||forgetting to leave the door unlocked + drinking with sans when her kid was out doing Who Knows What. i sort of get it but i’d say in comparison to. for example. asgore. it’s a harsh treatment||

i think that’s the thing

[leaden glacier]

THANK YOU ^_^

mmy rals,,,,

[signal grail]

what has asgore even done in canon

oh right

||people are memeing him running over dess 😭||

||i dont thyink its really wrong to be mad at toriel cus she was definitely neglectful in that moment||

[finite phoenix]

yes!

||before chapter 3 and 4 launched, the spamton sweepstakes added new pages, which included what is kind of a weird route guide. it showed whether chapters were applicable or were not applicable, and gave a sound effect hint. for chapter 2 it was the heart beat music you get before fighting berdly in snowgrave, chapter 3 was the sound effect the shadow mantle played, and chapter 4 was its own thing (do further reading elsewhere)
chapter 5 iirc played a guitar track we don't know anything about just yet i think?||

[woven tulip]

fun fact ||mini kris getting out of the game is a subtle foreshadowing kris will get out of your monitor into your real room in ch6||

[rapid flame]

starting a collection of these

[grand slate]

Discovered this gem

[lofty elm]

HEY EVERY!

[lone tusk]

gaming

[leaden glacier]

harassed toriel Multiple times to get back together with her. trying to use their child as a middleman. ||waiting behind trees for church to finish so he could run out and talk to her|| c4

idk if harass is the right word but like

[hasty sapphire]

Basically Asgore

He's not a bad guy, his rizz is just so bad that every attempt to flirt with Toriel counts as harassment

[leaden glacier]

c4 he literally ||hides behind a tree to try to talk with toriel||??????? i don’t think that’s the right comic to use at all in this situation.

[hasty sapphire]

||At worst you could consider it stalking I guess||

||But then he never forces that and lets Toriel leave so idk if I'd consider it a bad behavior||

[leaden glacier]

you don’t. Consider it bad behaviour. to be repeatedly trying again and again to talk to someone. who is visibly uncomfortable and knowingly avoids you to the point you have to use your child or ||hide behind trees||. and this clearly has been going on since before deltarune began (though likely Less bad given asriel wasn’t coming home soon then). and butting in on conversations like running up the counter to make an egg joke when he sees toriel and sans talking. huh??

like yes asgore came into the store for the pickles but he also RAN into the room because toriel was in there

[hasty sapphire]

He keeps trying the same thing that clearly doesn't work and makes everyone around uncomfortable, sure this isn't exactly good but it's quite far from harassment I think

[clear sparrow]

i mean

its still better than him in undertale imo

[hasty sapphire]

I don't think he's doing any of that out of bad faith, he just wants to get family back together

He's just really bad at it

[clear sparrow]

negative rizz

[hasty sapphire]

Exactly

[leaden glacier]

i never said he was doing it out of bad faith ?? i perfectly understand why he’s doing that but it doesn’t change that he’s incredibly desperate to the point of involving other people into it and knowingly makes toriel uncomfortable

sure, harassment was a strong word because i forgot the threat part existed, but like.

that’s still not Okay.

[hasty sapphire]

Telling your child to pass the gift isn't something terrible

[leaden glacier]

he’s doing it because he know toriel wont like it from him.

he’s literally using kris as a middleman.

[hasty sapphire]

I don't see what's so terribly wrong with it, Kris is his child too after all

[crude gull]

||i just realized my pfp looks like the knight...|| (ch3 mostly)

||top ten reasons kris should stop throwing things at me|| ch4

[leaden glacier]

honestly i feel like that makes it less okay that he’s involving his child to such a degree in this

[leaden glacier]

honestly kris is real for this i too would ||whack something possessing me with a hockey stick||

[hasty sapphire]

I'd agree if it was something more than just a harmless gift

Like if he asked Kris to somehow convince Toriel to give him some attention

He didn't even want those flowers to be a gift from him, he just wanted Toriel to have them because he likes giving flowers to people he loves

[leaden glacier]

i guess?? but i mean. it’s pretty obvious who they’re from. not many people have a flower shop in hometown

[hasty sapphire]

Asgore is that clueless

[leaden glacier]

idk i guess i’m mostly annoyed that people who think ||toriel sucks|| c4 don’t often think asgore sucks despite ||toriel’s thing being One Night|| and asgore’s being. continuous before the game

[leaden glacier]

what’s your evidence?

[hasty sapphire]

Keeps giving flowers to Toriel despite it clearly not working

||His behavior at holidays' house when Carol arrives also seems like he's just clueless that something bad is going on||

He's just a guy trying to do good, failing but not realizing it, that's the kind of vibe he gives me

That's a lot less hateable than ||a mother being straight up irresponsible|| imo

But I may have a bias towards Toriel here

[leaden glacier]

genuinely i think part of why the fandom is mad at her is that she’s a woman. otherwise it’s like. sure it’s not great!! ||but like. from what we’ve seen it was one night. i don’t think she makes a habit of being neglectful. also didn’t kris make plans to go to noelle’s house in the room with her anyways. i think it’s possible she just assumed they were staying there|| c4

though that’s just speculation and may be wrong

[hasty sapphire]

I don't think Asgore would get any less hate for that if their roles were reversed

[leaden glacier]

are you like. Suuuure.

fandom has a huge tendency to villainise female characters who aren’t perfect 24/7

[hasty sapphire]

And my main issue with that was ||her getting drunk with Sans, not leaving to the choir practice without warning Kris||

[hasty sapphire]

I feel like peopel are generally more forgiving towards female characters

[hasty sapphire]

Like if Toriel was the creep she probably wouldn't get hated for that

[leaden glacier]

i’m not sure what fandoms you’re hanging out in but i don’t think that’s true most of the time

[crude gull]

||i wouldnt unless its evil but i'm not evil ...||

[leaden glacier]

OH

[leaden glacier]

i feel like that’s either when the character is so nice she’s a doormat or when her mistakes get misattributed to someone else (like with utdr alphys and gaster)

[hasty sapphire]

That sounds more right

Nice characters are held to higher standards

But Asgore is also nice so

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/455836779560304650/1217509054323228733/animal.gif

[leaden glacier]

||we are still robbing them of basic autonomy like 90% of the time minimum. if you were in that situation you would have every right to hit that person which a hockey stick||

[leaden glacier]

this is still overlooking women and denying them the fault of their actions though. like it was alphys’ mistake. not some mess she had to clean up from gaster. i don’t think this would be common if it was a male character

[crude gull]

||i'm Not debating the morality of hitting someone with a hockey stick, goodbye!||

[hasty sapphire]

Wait what about Alphys

Do people make excuses for her true lab shenanigans

[leaden glacier]

yeah some people attribute some of the entries (mostly pre-dt injection) to gaster

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxV4B0bpO6oWrjs5hRtb5yFETfzfJlsnQk clip of a video showing it from someone

[hasty sapphire]

It may or may not be people trying to insert Gaster into every theory

[leaden glacier]

could be?

[leaden glacier]

idk i’m still. working through my own biases so i’m not particularly good at pointing them out in fandom

[crimson wyvern]

funny comment i found

[hardy marsh]

||u know the two thin titans from the second prophecy Ralsei tells u are kinda exactly like the Knight||

[hardy marsh]

Mrwww mrrrp mrrw mrr mrwwww lmao i can't send the original due to gore

[crimson wyvern]

mrrrrrrp mrrrp mreow

[somber skiff]

ch3

[dapper shoal]

||also carol is actively supporting whatever he's doing now along with him knowing her for quite a while I believe||

||honestly I don't blame carol for acting how she did considering a kid who she probably knows (and still thinks) is a bully is now in her house holding her dead daughters guitar with a secret code inside of it||

[dapper shoal]

||you'd at least call to let them know right?||

[dapper shoal]

||we're also trying to make them go out with berdly ||

[leaden glacier]

c3 track ||goddddd i LOVE welcome to the green room||

[woven tulip]

tbh, i don’t think the worst motives should be assumed so quickly . looking too hard to find something could lead to false positives.

it’s far more likely that people think like this about characters not because they’re intolerant.

you could be right, but i don’t think such assumptions should be made without clear evidence for it.

[leaden glacier]

i don’t think it’s intentional

like i think it’s just a side effect of roles and tropes and such that are pushed in media

like. when this happens i almost Never assume the person is Malicious unless i have actual evidence they Know what they’re doing.

[civic mason]

(chaper 3) ||mr. (ant)tenna's TV time||

[supple belfry]

(chp 4) ||egg room is quite wack. im legally blind in that section lol||

[woven tulip]

||i think it’s called "being in the dark"||

[supple belfry]

||sad that no one was with me in the dark 😔😔😔||

[woven tulip]

||the man is||

[supple belfry]

||well, except the man||

||but he did left me after i got the egg||

[leaden glacier]

||don’t forget reference in raise up your bat -> ruyb probably written by dess -> man is with you in the dark -> dess is the man (🏳️‍⚧️)||

it all makes sense now……

[supple belfry]

(contains chp3 soil) ||anyways i just found out theres an egg room in chp3 that i didnt know brooooo :despair:||

[woven tulip]

||well, there is not a man anyway||

[mild hull]

we should start getting our deltarune theories peer-reviewed

[leaden glacier]

and as we know, ||dess is likely the knight and egg in wingdings (👈 👆👆) is how a knight moves which means that dess is gaster||

[woven tulip]

by whom

[leaden glacier]

(i am bullshitting btw)

[mild hull]

peers

[supple belfry]

||imagine if you collect all of those eggs and it either makes temmie graduate, or make a delicious omelette||

[mild hull]

temmie gaster

[woven tulip]

🍐

[woven tulip]

annoying dog gaster

[supple belfry]

teto

[leaden glacier]

someone had a funny post with gaster having beef with the man behind the tree since the eggs are classified as an “issue” in achievements

[woven tulip]

unless you collect all eggs and dog dollars, temmie and/or annoying dog will be upset and give you a sad deltarune ending

[supple belfry]

we should honestly need another few font-based characters

[leaden glacier]

good ending you collect all the eggs and take the man back to castle town where the worm can much on the tree’s leaves

[supple belfry]

finally, the worm can no longer have tax issues

[woven tulip]

Times N. Roman

[supple belfry]

speaks in very technical fashion, since times new roman is the usual font for various papers in research and etc

[dapper shoal]

The egg ending is just us making pancakes with gaster

[supple belfry]

pancak yee

Niko enters into screen

steals the pancakes

leaves

[woven tulip]

celeste but you make ||the pie with eggs instead||

[dapper shoal]

||egg pie how delectable||

[finite phoenix]

bread

[supple belfry]

imagine the egg just... keeps on pouring the stuff inside until you throw out the shell

[woven tulip]

ch6 spoiler ||if you stole 5 dollars, asriel will fight you in the light world||

[supple belfry]

finally. we solve world hunger

[dapper shoal]

You cured world hunger and ruined it by throwing out the egg

[supple belfry]

ch6 spoiler
||then the flavor text during the battle:
* Asriel is now in debt of $3 in his savings bank (which is his drawer).
||

[dapper shoal]

||funnily enough from the flavor text if you try to take more from the drawer ("you have already taken enough") makes me think that Kris had something to do with dess disappearing||

[hasty sapphire]

||Why does the game allow you to take 5$ in both ch2 and 4 anyway||

Feels like an oversight

[leaden glacier]

||asriel prints money||

[dapper shoal]

||Asriel secretly found a money glitch in his drawer and tole no one||

[leaden glacier]

(sillyj

[hasty sapphire]

||Regenerating 5 dollar bill||

[woven tulip]

||that’s because you we’re wearing dealmaker /j||

[supple belfry]

||asriel is a printer confirmed||

[leaden glacier]

||if this is being for realsies i think it’s just kris doesn’t wanna borrow money given the text before is “you reluctantly “borrowed” five dollars”||

[woven tulip]

"i’m printey the printer"

[supple belfry]

[LOUD PRINTING NOISES]

[hasty sapphire]

Speaking of Asriel

||Why is trying to pray for him at the church a bad option||

[dapper shoal]

||non genuine prayer considering the player has never actually met Asriel||

[hasty sapphire]

||Likely that but on my first playthrough I interpreted it as Kris disliking Asriel||

[dapper shoal]

||Kris wondering why the fuck the demon is praying for their brother at college||