deltarune ch3-4 (soiler warning)

[weary granite]

||Maybe if that damn goner kid stop hogging our damn books

Also it never stated we would know though||

[dapper shoal]

||imagine Susie seeing the angel for the first time and it's just some tired as shit guy with a controller||

[woven tulip]

also ||that would make it referred twice in the prophecy in the different roles, as a soul and as an angel the soul banish||

[leaden glacier]

||is there a reason we can’t be multiple things||

[dapper shoal]

||and you know berdly would recognize us instantly as a gamer||

[leaden glacier]

||that one tumblr post about like. That exact thing actually||

bee are bee

[weary granite]

||It could still definitely happen, I dont see how they could possibly be much different

We dont have much clues on who else it could be, if its Noelle then she was already aluded too earlier, we the players arent exactly the soul itself anyway, we just control it just like how we control Kris

The Soul is our true vessel into this world, when its gone, so are we||

[leaden glacier]

https://www.tumblr.com/bigtabart/786360322575515648/au-where-berdlys-gaming-knowledge-allows-him-to

[weary granite]

Didnt reply, @woven tulip

[leaden glacier]

||also i don’t think the soul like. has a role alluded to in that part like kris being a cage does, unless i’m misremembering the line||

[woven tulip]

it could be a completely different character?

doesn’t have to be one we saw

[dapper shoal]

I've seen this post before but it still makes me chuckle just cus of the soul and Kris in the background

[weary granite]

I feel it wouldnt make sense to establish a completely new character this far into the story

||Especially with all the character building done for everyone else, the only one that really makes sense for me is it being us or maaybe it could be argued to be Noelle (though I personally dont believe this one)||

If a character this important hasnt been aluded too at least once it feels kinda cheap tbh

[woven tulip]

maybe it isn’t that important? ||it’s not even mentioned in main parts of the prophecy||

[weary granite]

With the amount of imagery about them, I doubt they arent significant, at least symbolically

[woven tulip]

||idk it’s like saying titans should be some characters we already met . why can’t the angel be the angel itself?||

[leaden glacier]

||the titans were established in c2||

[weary granite]

||The titans make sense for why they arent, they are forces of the dark world and they are already mentioned before in the lore

This angel plays heavy ties with us, we know of its significant because we see it everywhere

The titans are important for another reason, they dont have to be another character because they are already established as something else in this story

The angel itself is only really referenced, we know there might be an angel because the gang sees what it looks like and we know their importance is at least partly why the prophecy is happening in the first place, whatever this "angels heaven" is||

[woven tulip]

||the angel is established in chapter 1||

[weary granite]

||Yes, and its referenced as a singular entity that we dont know its shape or form about, but we have hints that certain characters embody the angel's characteristics (may it be Noelle's and the heart's angel allegorical aspects or how either plays a part in the story)

We have a lot of precedent for someone we already know to be an angel, it may not even be Noelle or the heart but it most likely is a person we know||

[leaden glacier]

||the angel as a role was established in c1. the titans as actual concrete Things That Exist As Their Own Thing was established in c2. like we Saw Them in prophecy art instead of just a symbol like the delta rune||

sorry i can’t. Word properly but it’s like

they were more Definite

[woven tulip]

idk, the ||angel is a central figure in the light world religion, they probably wouldn’t be very concrete||.

||if we were the angel, what’s the explanation for us to not know anything beyond what we see in game? of course as a player we don’t know the plot when first playing, but why the angel wouldn’t have the memories lorewise?||

||also why are we so weak? we can’t do anything beyond possessing a soul. it may be possible we can’t even reload the save ourself, since it’s the voice who asks us whether we would continue after losing in chapter 1.||

[leaden glacier]

||okay wait i’m a Little confused sorry is there a reason why the angel is supposed to have memories||

[weary granite]

I dont think so

[leaden glacier]

||also! we can still seal dark fountains and also shine bright enough to expose a titan a little bit||

[woven tulip]

||heaven knows
the story that we've born
from our hearts

of the shadows cutting deep
and the heroes that save us

heaven knows
the beauty of the soul
and we weep

to the majesty and
pray we not forget
the tale of deltarune||

doesn’t seem like we know any of this

[woven tulip]

that was already said in don’t forget and the legend?

it’s what the soul can do

[leaden glacier]

where’s that from if i may ask? i think i might’ve missed it

[woven tulip]

||the church’s hymn||

[weary granite]

||The angel doesnt need to have any of these qualities in specific, they are part of the story, we do not know how strong or how weak they are

We most likely are in Kris's bodt through some intervention, we were supposed to have the vessel but whatever happened stopoed us,aybe thats why were not that strong

The angel was never declared to habe any memories or actions outside of just mentioning them, for all we know, the angel or the heavens is an allegory for something bigger||

[weary granite]

||We dont need too, its a prayer about us, not something we would know much about||

||Also this implies that the heaven knows, not the angel||

[woven tulip]

||"there’s a light inside your soul"||

[weary granite]

||Dont forget is very literal with its lyrics

The angel and the soul very much could be interchangeable

And also the whole light motiff for the soul very much could be allusions to an angel, with the very holy light shining out of us||

[woven tulip]

||sealing fountains and titans is also what a soul does||

[weary granite]

||Yes, we dont know why yet, but both Ralsei and the knight seem to egg us on||

[woven tulip]

so it doesn’t imply anything at all

since it’s what a soul can do regardless

[weary granite]

||It could imply that we are the opposite of the dark, with an allusion to the dark being demonic while the angel can pacify it with the light||

[woven tulip]

||well, lightners and the light world are already kinda opposite of the dark||

||dark world is contrasted with light world||

[weary granite]

||Yeah but were the only one shown to be able to seal them, we dont know anyone else who can, or at least that we know of||

[woven tulip]

could be any soul, though? why would there be just 1, when there are books about what is a soul

[weary granite]

Either way, I think were not really getting anywhere, agree to disagree

[weary granite]

True, though were the only established one to look like this specifically

And the fact that Kris can just remove us at will most likely means we arent their actual soul, so maybe we are different

It would explain why Gaster tried to give us a vessel

[woven tulip]

i don’t think we have enough information to really have a concrete theory ||on what is the angel||, like 70% is just speculation

[weary granite]

Neither of us do, interpretations are the fun part of it

I do enjoy hearing your side though

[woven tulip]

interpretation are fun, but we have to remember we only have half of the story to think about

[weary granite]

Yeah

Which is why im right why we shouldnt be too concrete with what we say

[weary granite]

To be free...

[vivid verge]

Me at work rn

[crude gull]

AAAAAUGHH ch4 secret boss ||i wanna play through the game fully but i HATE fighting gerson should i just skip him?!??||

[hardy marsh]

||If you want to, but i think you should try it||

[hardy marsh]

||More for the experience of beating him than anything, if you just wanna play for now and don't care much for the reward ya can skip it||

[crude gull]

||i could come back later on another save||

||i also need to even find the ch3 secret at all||

[somber skiff]

i might rebeat all delt a rune chapter 1 to 4 again

reason: the original starwalker

and eggs

[somber skiff]

lmaooo

also apparently if you say "no" to "do you understand possibilities of pain and seizure" gaster still says "understood" and continues as normal

[hardy marsh]

Ahhh yuh then carry on :3
dw

||If you don't have all in ch3 theres no need to be a compleationist here, take this as a future Challenge||

[leaden glacier]

||personally i made a second save and just progressed||

[crimson wyvern]

ch 3/ch 4

||why is dead tenna in roblox ||

[crude gull]

||GODDAMNIT HES BACK|| ch4

||what do i do in the dakr battle||

I HATE THIS

TGIS IS NOT FUN GAME DESIGN

||SHOULD I JUST STAB HIM||

[civic mason]

chaper 1 spoilers

(is referenced in the fake dialogue)

[civic mason]

||what ||

[crude gull]

||its normal right this is normal please tell me i'm having a normal situation right now that there is a battle with "gerson" in the darkness this is normal and not going to screw me over somehow right other people have been here||

[civic mason]

||i thought it was easy but from what ive seen many people have had the same issue||
||its probably just bc all i do is fight undyne on some website||

[crude gull]

AAGH

[civic mason]

||there's gonan be a white thing at the sides of yu screen||
||yu need memorize the order and survive||

[crude gull]

ok but

||which action do i need to do||

[civic mason]

||what are the act options ||
||if i remember correctly dark gerson is a survival fight||

[crude gull]

||only talk for acts||

||i hate survival without items this is not fun at all||

I DID IT

I WIN

BYE

[hasty sapphire]

Today I learned that ||furry degenerate|| was removed from the game

This is tragic

[hardy marsh]

Ch4 soilers

[crimson wyvern]

TRUE

[civic mason]

(chepar 3 spilers) ||im not going back to chaper 4 until i beat the knight||

chaper 3 spilers
||rude buster musical timing||

[civic mason]

||i love the sync with the music so much||

[woven tulip]

no

as far as i know, resetting a chapter doesn’t erase its completion save

nor next chapter’s save started from it

[hardy marsh]

?

[woven tulip]

so you can just reset chapter 3 in the same slot, get the secret, and it should appear in castle town in the main save

[hardy marsh]

why you telling me this

[woven tulip]

because you can still be completionist and just replay 1 specific chapter

[hardy marsh]

Literally just said
if you didn't go for everything in chapter 3 don't worry about getting all the chapter 4 things
cause it's not like you are doing a 100% run

just take it easy and play lol

[hasty sapphire]

Don't you have to finish the previous file first and start next chapter from it

[hardy marsh]

at least that was my intention when i said that

[hasty sapphire]

Or do secret boss items appear in castle town regardless

[civic mason]

chaper 3 spilers ||i got knight-blasted again||

[woven tulip]

not what i said

[hardy marsh]

no idea why you brought them save files thing up

[woven tulip]

you have to finish the chapter but resetting chapter 3 won’t affect chapter 4 save, even if it was started from it

[hasty sapphire]

Ok makes sense

[hardy marsh]

You said it as tho i was saying that since they didn't get the ch3 stuff that It wouldn't matter if they got the ch4 things cause they would have had to reset

Wasn't what i was saying

[woven tulip]

i’m saying they don’t have to reset everything

[hardy marsh]

I know

But that has nothing to do with what i said

[woven tulip]

just chapter 3, and then get shadow crystal in castle town

so they still can get the crystal in ch4, otherwise they would have to replay two chapters

[hardy marsh]

Well if they don't wanna do it they don't have to

[woven tulip]

yeah, but "didn’t get in ch3, then it doesn’t matter anymore" isn’t really true

[hardy marsh]

When did i say that

[woven tulip]

that’s what this message seemed like

[hardy marsh]

what i was trying to say was
"Since you didn't beat ch3 with the intention of doing a 100% then don't stress over getting everything in ch4"

did i explain myself better now?

[woven tulip]

that’s what i’m countering . they can skip in ch4 too if they want, but they can also not, because it doesn’t matter if they missed in ch3, since they could replay that specific chapter only

it’s also very easy to miss ch3 secret even if you intend to be completionist

[hardy marsh]

Yes

nothing of what i said went against that

They could do the boss simply to not redo all that
True

[woven tulip]

*it has to be in the same slot, shadow crystals are now shared only between saves on the same slot

[somber skiff]

mf i read it as "white lizards"

[woven tulip]

hibernation chamber

[civic mason]

chaper 3 spiler ||i always die on the diagonal attack where knight breaks battle box||

[crude gull]

wow i really dont like this games gameplay much do i-

break time!!!! :3 :3 :3

[civic mason]

(chaper 3 spiler) ||i too bad to beat the knight but i refuse to just go do chaper 4||

[leaden glacier]

you’ll get em !!

sometimes you have to get good by throwing yourself at the same wall over and over

[civic mason]

"throw yuself at the brick wall over an over until it breaks or yu break yu nose" -inspirational quotes (partially stolen from unresponsive moh 🐟 (cosma/potass) (do yu have a nickname )

[signal grail]

||when they do that one move slightly out of the corner and then back in once the shards pass||

[civic mason]

||the evil attack where the enemy decides "actualy no" an cuts the battle box like a sandwich||

[leaden glacier]

cosma and potassium are my two names (or the character in my pfp if you forget!), potass is a nickname itself (derived from potassium) but also i don’t really mind being called like. Literally anything as long as it’s not offensive and i can tell you’re referring to me

[leaden glacier]

||for that attack i usually stay in one of the bottom corners so i’m in a consistent-ish place for any orientation||

[civic mason]

||i try to do that but fail horribly||

[civic mason]

what if i just refer to yu as "moh"
wuld that be ok

[leaden glacier]

that works !

[civic mason]

o ok :D

(chaper 3 spiler) ||dieded to the evil diagonal attack again||

[leaden glacier]

auuuuuuu

[civic mason]

i shuld ||probably revive ralsei if i still have revivemints by then for the extra hits and some damage||

[leaden glacier]

what equipment does ralsei have ?

[civic mason]

a little stuck at home ?!?!?!

[hardy marsh]

.....

[leaden glacier]

if i may make a recommendation

i think ralsei is best ||healing everyone and keeping them Alive||

||if everyone is good then sure attack but your damage focus should be susie||

[civic mason]

||i usually use kris for that||

[leaden glacier]

||yeah but kris can only do so much||

||you have a finite number of items||

[civic mason]

||o wait yu meant using the heal prayer||

||ive never realy had to||
||every time i had tp it was always too low for heal prayer or it was just barely below the requiremnt for rudebuster||
||or i didn need the heal||

[leaden glacier]

fair

i mean like. it IS your fight you should play however you think is best

i’m just giving my take

[civic mason]

||if i have the right amount of tp an i need to heal (an ralsei is actualy alive for once) ill use heal prayer :D||

chaper 3 spilers
||its accurate for once!!||

||kris an ralsei are actualy alive this time :D||

[mild hull]

||really, anyone attacking with anyone other than susie isnt gonna help unless you're trying to go for some Minimum Turns Optimal Fight™||

(||unless you have kris as the only one alive in which case the damage is quite significant||)

[civic mason]

||oh god||

[civic mason]

||it gets worse||

[leaden glacier]

||remind me does kris naturally come back from being downed||

[civic mason]

||it got worse||

[leaden glacier]

ouuuuu

[civic mason]

||no||

[leaden glacier]

darn

i wanna replay c3 but i have to get through like 3/4ths of c2 beforehand

[mild hull]

why?

[leaden glacier]

i want dealmaker

but i’m at the fun gang splitting up so i have. Most of c2 to go

and also i don’t really like starting chapters from a new slot

[mild hull]

spice up your run and make it more interesting by ❄️ ❄️ ❄️ 🧊 ❄️ 🧊 🧊 😊

[leaden glacier]

☹️

weird route SCARES me

ohhh that reminds me !! i think one time there was a bug where if you got snowgrave and somehow found an enemy to snowgrave (liiike. i think you might’ve had to abort it at like Berdly somehow maybe ?? i don’t remember) you could snowgrave a regular enemy and it would Dust but like. Red

[meager hatch]

It's like he's in some king of.... snowgrave...

[leaden glacier]

sorry i know a little too much about c1-c2 ^_^'

[leaden glacier]

i think anyways

but darkners do have a death animation! probably a placeholder for if something Funky happened in c1 but. it’s neat to me

OH there IS something i need to test though.

[civic mason]

whats weird route

(I have barely watched any deltarune content)

[leaden glacier]

it’s uhhh

idk anything about c3-4 so.

but c2 weird route is getting noelle to freeze over all the enemies, getting the ice ring from the pink addison, forcing noelle to “proceed” when she’s uncomfortable, and then using a new spell on berdly that probably(?) kills him

you uh. Don’t get to recruit anyone form that chapter

it’s super lovely ^_^ /lying

i’ve heard it gets. Very very bad in c3-4

[civic mason]

im never making my route even a little weird

normal standard route

[leaden glacier]

i think you Might need to start it from c2 like how undertale genocide has to start with the ruins but i’m not certain

[civic mason]

the people in c1, c2, c3, c4, an every other c deserve mercy !!

[leaden glacier]

true !!

fun fact!!! ||pippins|| (c3) were originally a scrapped enemy !!! you can also see them in c1 pacifist ending

sorry i like random deltarune trivia

[civic mason]

please give more deltarune trivia :D

[leaden glacier]

OKAY HMMMMM uhhhhh i’m sure this is kind of common knowledge but !!! did you know you can get some neat dialogue based off the name you give yourself / your discarded vessel? kind of similar to how naming chara works in undertale i guess

[civic mason]

wait what

so if I named myself Kris wuld I get hardmodr

[leaden glacier]

OH maybe a little less well known but yknow the starbird from chapter 1? where the original star walker is found?

[civic mason]

its only chaper 1 but its harder

[leaden glacier]

not quite!!

[civic mason]

ye

[leaden glacier]

you’d get told you’re about to meet someone very special

[leaden glacier]

you can actually come back to that room and if you come in from the left and perfectly chase the starbird when it runs away (i.e. not touching the walls) you can get 40 D$

OOOOH OH THIS ONE WAS PATCHED OUT ACTUALLY but at the maze end you used to be able to walk left out of bounds. i think this is probably exclusive to survey_program now but i think if you went offscreen and used the cellphone your game would crash ? i might be misremembering

[civic mason]

for a split second I thought "o so the walls give yu money, makes sense" but then I thought for 1/2 a second morr

[leaden glacier]

for reference survey_program is chapter 1 on its own

you could probably only get it from an archive

i should dig up my old computer and see if it still has deltarune

[civic mason]

gasterphone

[leaden glacier]

hmmmmm what else what else. oh the shelter plays the garbage noise from the dark world phone call if i remember correctly

[leaden glacier]

OH i think this is maybe why the chapter 1 egg is placed there? its easier to accidentally discover that way

[finite sky]

honestly i probably still have it on my old laptop

[leaden glacier]

i like deltarune

[leaden glacier]

!!!!! yahoo

[finite sky]

i downloaded it day one of it dropping

hehe

[leaden glacier]

God survey_program was so fun actually. You will accept everything that happens from now on or whatever the tos was

[finite sky]

that was the whole tos i think

[leaden glacier]

i probably didn’t get the exact quote but whatever it’s been like 7 years or so

[leaden glacier]

he’s so groovy with the times

[civic mason]

hes never out of style

[leaden glacier]

hmmmm. i DO need to confirm it myself but i HAVE heard the vessel automatically gets named goner if you start a save after c1

most of my trivia is learned from those “[x] number of useless deltarune facts” videos btw. a lot of them are kind of nothing but there’s some neat information there

like one i watched used ?? Flavour text ??

and brought up the field of hopes and dreams appearing on screen in c1 but not mentioning it was a touhou reference

[civic mason]

my memory is bad so I've probably done this before but

[leaden glacier]

OH that reminds me !!! jevil’s background triangles are just a bunch of 2d triangles

[leaden glacier]

but something went so wrong
and now i’m stuck in purgatory

oh cub !! no pressure (gen) but can i friend you?

[civic mason]

yes

[leaden glacier]

sent ^_^

[civic mason]

yipi

[civic mason]

i got ||diagonally sliced again|| (chper 3 spiler)

[leaden glacier]

ouuuuu

[civic mason]

||i cant seem to avoid that one||
||the battle box moving that much is a little disorenting||

[leaden glacier]

||if you can recognise when that attack comes you can probably heal everyone and defend and just try to dodge? you might survive it that way but it’s not exactly sustainable||

[civic mason]

||I cant realy remember||
||susie is always the last one whenever that attack is there||

||I try to dodge but the oscilation of the battle box makes it very disortenting||

[woven tulip]

||the flavor text corresponds to attacks||

[signal grail]

||try to remember the directions you need to move (a little right and then a little left from the bottom left corner) instead of reacting to the box||

||also make sure in that attack you stay on the side of the box that you feel most comfortable dodging, for me i stayed at the bottom or the left as much as possible||

[civic mason]

||I always bolt to top right||
||then I think for 1/2 an realize I jumped into a bullet||

[civic mason]

fun fact: (chaper 4 spolers) ||yu probably already know this, but each star that appears over gerson wenever yu do an action adds 1% to the mercy bar||

[hardy marsh]

Chapter 4 spoilers
GOOD ENDING

[leaden glacier]

gonna fight spamton hard mode wish me luck everyone !

[cursive ravine]

I’m more deltarune then all of you

[leaden glacier]

how many dark dollars do you get from catching the starbird

[cursive ravine]

A amount

[civic mason]

good luck :D

[civic mason]

wait yu said this one its 40 dark dolar

[leaden glacier]

[leaden glacier]

CORRECT !!!!!!

[cursive ravine]

[leaden glacier]

you get a gold star ⭐

[civic mason]

yipi

[cursive ravine]

Out of the pit

[civic mason]

im stuck in the pit until i make an actualy funy joke (so never)

[leaden glacier]

what mercy percentage does SnapAll in spamton neo’s fight give you

[cursive ravine]

Like 7 to 14

[leaden glacier]

specific number

[cursive ravine]

No

[leaden glacier]

okay

[civic mason]

(chaper 3, 2 spolers) ||I just noticed bc i reset chaper 3, for some reason I don have my deal maker or any of my chaper 2 items||

||idk how it took me this long to notice||

[leaden glacier]

ah yeah i think you have to use the ch2 saves button

deltarune <3

[storm bolt]

YOUR DELTA RUNE

[leaden glacier]

i <3 deltarune

[storm bolt]

Same

[mild hull]

spoiler tag 💥

[storm bolt]

I ♠️ lancer

[storm bolt]

i thought it was vague enough

[leaden glacier]

it’s. idk it’s weird because like. i knew a lot of stuff about c1 and c2 and i don’t know Anything really about c3 or c4

[storm bolt]

Exploding your waffles 10 times, with my mind

[leaden glacier]

wait that was a spoiler

[mild hull]

you've completed 3 and 4 right? 🤨

[leaden glacier]

yyyes? i just have shit memory

i thought it was just expressing love for deltarune as a whole

[mild hull]

||gaster has a lil monologue after the C4 credits that ends with "MY DELTARUNE"||

[leaden glacier]

e.g. similar as to when someone says like. My ralsei

[leaden glacier]

ohhhh i 🌊

[mild hull]

Well. ||Could be not gaster but it's gaster.||

[storm bolt]

||Thats,.. gaster?||

Whatthe fuck

[mild hull]

||that's the dominant interpretation of the all-caps guy yeah||

[leaden glacier]

||from what i’ve heard it’s a similar style to stuff like the game over c1||

[mild hull]

there's a LOT of stuff supporting it to the extent that I buy into it

[leaden glacier]

i knew it Existed i just didn’t know the Contents

[mild hull]

and I tend to be skeptical

with those theories 🤏

[storm bolt]

Its actually lancer

[leaden glacier]

||okay yes/no question can you load the c4 save after seeing the credits||

[mild hull]

somewhere between chapters 2 and 3 I forgot that deltarune is one of my favorite things but I'm glad C3 and 4 reminded me 😌

[mild hull]

||yes||

I want to say more than yes

but yes

[leaden glacier]

||i haven’t done that yet then||

[leaden glacier]

||one of my tumblr mutuals asked me what i thought about batatt(?) and from what i’ve gathered he’s a little freak /pos||

i need to become insane about c3 and 4 like i was with c1 and 2 but there’s just. So much

[mild hull]

it will have much time to stew

[leaden glacier]

it will have a year

[mild hull]

I will be consuming crack theories until the end of my days

[mild hull]

honestly I think there's a solid chance of <12m

[leaden glacier]

if you find any niche facts please let me know

[mild hull]

based on the progress C5 had during C3/4 development, C5 should already have decent progress

and I think a Q1 to early Q2 is likely

[leaden glacier]

oh that’s. Not a lot of time huh.

[mild hull]

tbf im entirely speculating

[leaden glacier]

yeah

it’s a sensible speculation though

[mild hull]

it'd have to be content complete by jan to be Q1, and that does seem slim

[mild hull]

(because localizations and console porting would take a few months based on how 3 and 4 were)

[leaden glacier]

ah 🐁

i’ve explained 🐁 right

[mild hull]

I assumed "rats"

but I have a vague memory of it being explained to me

[leaden glacier]

nope ! that’d probably be 🐀 if i ever needed to convey that

[mild hull]

#spoiler-bigenderal message found it

[leaden glacier]

ding ding ding

well hopefully i’ll have gained some amount of 3/4 knowledge

i still. need to watch weird route. kinda dreading it tbh

[mild hull]

it's some of the best writing in either game thus far I think 🤌

very evocative
||only downside is that it evokes horror and disgust||

(not a real spoiler just dont wanna spoil The Vibes to anyone who doesnt wanna be spoiled)

[leaden glacier]

yeah i’ve heard bad /positive things about it

[leaden glacier]

kalum for completely unrelated reasons if you had to pick a deltarune character you’re the most similar to who would it be

[mild hull]

hmmmm

there's so many I'm having a hard time deciding

this calls for a tier list right when I should be going to bed

[leaden glacier]

ah sorry

[mild hull]

why 🤨

[leaden glacier]

this

i don’t wanna make you lose sleep or anything.

[mild hull]

that's the beauty of free will

I'm dooming myself to lack of sleep 😌

you hold no responsibility

[leaden glacier]

okay ^_^ yay ^_^

[mild hull]

@leaden glacier not my final answer but for now I'm picking virovirokun

I came to the unfortunate realization that video game characters are not as complex as human beings so I just went on vibes

[leaden glacier]

i 🌊

okay yay i can finally reblog that tumblr post about being trapped in a game with the last person you talked to /silly

anyways

[leaden glacier]

🧱

goodnight

[mild hull]

ermm but I have other things to do too

#1387632304461185146 👻

[leaden glacier]

🧱

[leaden glacier]

ah

[mild hull]

it's not even midnight yet i still have 20 minutes

[leaden glacier]

oh you’re an hour behind me

[mild hull]

what about YOU 🫵

[leaden glacier]

i do have to wake up at 6:25 but i have swim for 45 minutes and then nothing else for most of the day

i’m still in school so i get summers off

so i. Do get to have time to absorb deltarune knowledge actually i’m just. idk overwhelmed by having two chapters at once

so in total i can stay up forever

[mild hull]

no I mean your deltarune character

[leaden glacier]

OH oopsies

ralsei.

it’s ralsei.

there’s no competition it’s just genuinely ralsei.

[mild hull]

if I had to pick out of the main characters, I'd probably fall somewhere between kris and noelle on the Main Character Personality Trait Spectrum™
more kris-aligned than noelle-aligned though

they pronoun and piano

[leaden glacier]

i Don’t think i can elaborate for fear of rule 11 /silly you just have to trust me on this

[mild hull]

basically the same person

[leaden glacier]

i 🌊

tbh being a darkner could fix me (it would make me worse, actually

[mild hull]

what object would you wanna be

[leaden glacier]

if i had to pick one based on my Average Life it’d be a scarf but hmmm i’m not entirely sure for personality based

[mild hull]

I should purchase a scarf, I've never owned a good one but I like the concept

[leaden glacier]

(for context i wear a scarf like. every time i go outside. no exceptions.)

[leaden glacier]

they’re fun !! i like tying mine like how niko oneshot would

[mild hull]

my only problem is that I tend to Fiddle when I have apparel with little Bits and Doodads and Whatsits

I could never wear any jewelry

[leaden glacier]

ah that’s fair

[mild hull]

in my ideal world we would normalize cloaks as common apparel

[leaden glacier]

i get anxious and end up always hiding my face and then nobody can hear me ever

[leaden glacier]

YES.

[mild hull]

so many pockets, and it's like a hoodie and scarf all in one

the ultimate of function and fashion combined

[leaden glacier]

i would Looooove a cloak but then i would want a funky hat and then i would just be common character design of Cloaked Hatted Fellow

[leaden glacier]

TRUE.

🐁

[leaden glacier]

it Would be fun though but unfortunately funky hats are also not socially acceptable afaik

anyways i’m sleepy 🧱 <-preemptive kalum brick

goodnight empty deltarune thread

[gritty goblet]

ch3 spiller

[supple belfry]

(chp 3) ||i love how this unused room exists lol||
||https://youtube.com/watch?v=uae7eh-Jd-Y&t=885s||

||wait why is discord ignoring the timestamp url parameter on the embed??? bruh. btw its 14:45 into the video||

[vivid verge]

||i fucking beat the night on my weird route save i didn't on my regular one and i dont want to do that for a very very very long time||

[clear sparrow]

||its truly peam||

[woven tulip]

mosy likely

main evidence as far as i know:

||1. the theme song in the beginning of the game is named similar, and has the same leitmotif as gaster’s theme

2. the vessel looks like gaster’s followers thing

3. the voice uses all caps, odd spacing, and "very interesting"

4. typer value of the voice is 666 and 667 (it could be outdated, i didn’t check myself ), with 666 being associated with gaster

5. entry 17 most likely talks about a dark world, and was on deltarune’s website before ch1 release (well, it’s more that gaster is even relevant at all)||

[woven tulip]

chapter completion files are actually saved separately than actual chapter files (though, it would be overwritten if you get the credits again).

||and after completing a chapter on any slot (including one you just completed), if will change some things. e. g. in ch1 you can go back to sleep to skip the beginning, but there could be more significant changes (although still not very important)||

||there are some interesting changes in ch3 and ch4||

[woven tulip]

way less time than for ch1 or ch2, and we have two chapters right now

[woven tulip]

tbf it could be a bit longer for ch3 than usual due to ||tenna’s text things||

[hasty sapphire]

I imagine this wasn't the hardest part of new chapters to localize

[woven tulip]

what they gonna do? say "hey! that fella has a funky hat"

[woven tulip]

considering those are images drawn

[hasty sapphire]

But the puns

[woven tulip]

yeah, but it would be the usual localization for deltarune

[hasty sapphire]

Well I feel like this is more difficult than redrawing an image in different language

Though idk how long things like this usually take to translate

[woven tulip]

it’s more that that applies to whole localization, but in ch3 there is an additional thing. also the text images aren’t exactly the same (the style’s a bit different, slightly )

[supple belfry]

(chp3 soilers) ||well that shook my heart. i killed ralsei and susie on the console game bruh||

[supple belfry]

funny coincidence. i was eating a honey sandwich a while ago

[somber skiff]

yea that happens

||shook me when i did that for the first time too||

||you could literally see kris flinching as well||

[supple belfry]

||"i feel like im doing something wrong here. like... actually wrong. this is wrong."||

||Proceed.||

[somber skiff]

so true

[hasty sapphire]

My favorite relationship dynamic

[leaden glacier]

oh i already knew about skipping the first parts of a chapter, it’s been a thing since survey_program

wasn’t aware of completion files being stored separately though, good to know

[woven tulip]

yeah, that’s just the simplest example

[woven tulip]

*completion files are made after credits

[leaden glacier]

nodnod

just in case for reference of what you need to explain to me. if it holds over from c1-2 i Probably know it

c3 secret boss is so funny to me because ||i think the main theories were the flowers and maybe like ? the phone ?? and then we get. the fucking Roaring Knight. like Okay. Sure i guess||

[leaden glacier]

(sparing him) should i hit him once to make it a Little harder

[supple belfry]

(chp 3 spoilers) ||interesting that toriel gets some sort of nightmare after you "beat" the roaring knight. the dialogue tezt changes it from toriel having a peaceful sleep to having her face contorted, as it describes.||

[leaden glacier]

there’s something that’s very very interesting about that to me

[hasty sapphire]

There are so many suspicious things about her tbh

[supple belfry]

||so the roaring knight can actually induce nightmares when encountered. thats such a weird aura but damn||

||no wonder it was aura farming||

[hasty sapphire]

||But why only when we beat it||

[supple belfry]

||tbh idk. maybe bc we kinda pissed them off after that battle. reasonable reaction tbh||

[hasty sapphire]

||Suspicious swooning slash coming from off screen in question||

||Or she's just sensing that Kris is up to something not good as Susie suggests in ch4||

[leaden glacier]

this is perhaps a bad idea.

oh you can make him upset pre battle good to know

now i can focus on dodging

aw he goes normal mode when the battle starts

[hasty sapphire]

Just kick his ass

Puppet scarf goes hard in ch3

[supple belfry]

oh right (chp 3) ||i found the bonus room and the pipis room lo. i also saw the pipis again on the top right corner of the screen after tenna leaves. guess she is on a very safe place indeed.||

[leaden glacier]

i’m aware but i like ralsei’s healing so i’m going for dealmaker

[hasty sapphire]

I mean

[leaden glacier]

and also dealmaker lets me make this a little harder

[hasty sapphire]

Wait does dealmaker have bonus magic

[leaden glacier]

yeah

one sec lemme get wiki

[hasty sapphire]

Well then

[supple belfry]

i think it also gives you more doller

[leaden glacier]

+5 magic

and +5 defense

[hasty sapphire]

Doing ||knight with no mantle || for fun now and Ralsei's contribution with puppet scarf is helping a lot

[leaden glacier]

dealmaker is really good.

[hasty sapphire]

Meanwhile Kris

[leaden glacier]

||isn’t kris mostly defense for tp + items in this fight||

[hasty sapphire]

Pretty much

[supple belfry]

||will you make them a punching bag for mantleless ralsei?||

[hasty sapphire]

Already kinda

[leaden glacier]

i think i have the face attack wish me luck.

[hasty sapphire]

5 wins in a row

[supple belfry]

damn

now do "day X of ||beating the knight as ralsei without shadow mantle||" for a month

[leaden glacier]

question does anyone know if you can press f1 mid attack

[hasty sapphire]

I tried that on normal spamton and it did nothing

[leaden glacier]

Update spamton is not going well

i am at susie with 41 and everyone else down

[leaden glacier]

hm interesting

it’s supposed to heal you

and it is a thing

[supple belfry]

hmmm ||the shadow shards will be turned into a shadow type of weapon that we can use to defeat the roaring knight and other shadow-born enemies once shawn has them all||

[hasty sapphire]

Well it does heal between turns

[supple belfry]

thats what i can think of bc of ||the shadow shard for chp3 being from a chip from the knight's sword||

[hasty sapphire]

||They'll likely be turned into a pure crystal, one you need for twisted sword||

[leaden glacier]

oh fuck he regenerated his face

[leaden glacier]

shawn ?

oh seam

[supple belfry]

oh seam

bruh

hi ko g no o uh h f d jhgnf g jv

[hasty sapphire]

Seapkeeper

[signal grail]

||theyre optional and you can already damage the knight without the crystals, i doubt itll be used for a knight fight||

[hasty sapphire]

What would pure crystal be for though

It has to have some other use for normal route

Or maybe it doesn't and the whole shadow crystal thing is weird route exclusive

[signal grail]

[[Hyperlink Blocked}}

/silly

[hasty sapphire]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/455836779560304650/1217509054323228733/animal.gif

[leaden glacier]

i died at 90% mercy.

[supple belfry]

hmmm, now that i think of how the dark world works, i wonder how a PS2 setup would turn into in its own dark world

[hasty sapphire]

Also twisted sword needing thorn ring implies we either need to abort weird route in ch2 or take it off Noelle later

[leaden glacier]

i probably would have won if i wasn’t refusing the heart on a chain mercy

[hasty sapphire]

Idk what to make of this

[signal grail]

||my actual thought is that the pure crystal is a prophecy, it wouldnt affect the main story but it would give players a hint as to where its going||

im not sure about the twisted sword thing

[supple belfry]

ight brb imma make ||Second Sanctuary|| my ringtone lol

[mild hull]

I put third as mine 👻

[leaden glacier]

i still need to buy the ost

[signal grail]

setting my ringtone to

[cursive ravine]

||Kris in the light world is stronger then asriel with all the monster souls and human souls because Kris can stop the soul||

[hasty sapphire]

Weird route in question

[supple belfry]

wait why some are saying that ||second sanctuary = touhou 11's last remote||? i dont get it

was checking one of the comment's replies

[leaden glacier]

i should set mine to dialtone or real boy maybe

[supple belfry]

or a rw threat theme so you know that if theyre calling you you're in trouble

[leaden glacier]

ohhhhh. oh oh oh i just read the text for reinteracting with the neo body. Ohhhh kris. mmy kris #mykris. kris i’m so so so sorry.

[cursive ravine]

Oneshot pfp

[leaden glacier]

i love niko oneshot

[cursive ravine]

[leaden glacier]

this is really funny to me

[signal grail]

I COULD [Killed] YOU!

[cursive ravine]

I’m Cooler then spamton

[hasty sapphire]

Why he mad

[leaden glacier]

big shot spam

i’m angering him with bshot spam and then refusing to big shot afterwards

also attacking him once so i don’t get heartstring mercy

[signal grail]

why no heartstring mercy

[leaden glacier]

because that makes the fight easier

since i’m sparing him

[hasty sapphire]

Does it

[leaden glacier]

yeah

heartstring gives +3% mercy if you don’t attack spamton

if you do attack him it deals 3% damage instead

[signal grail]

ohh

i thought it gave mercy when you do attack lmao

[leaden glacier]

nope

[hasty sapphire]

Ok I have no idea what most of that means

Only ever done spamton full mercy outside of snowgrave

[leaden glacier]

youve fought spamton neo before right

[hasty sapphire]

Yeah

[leaden glacier]

yknow when he has the blue heart on a chain you have to shoot

[hasty sapphire]

Yeah? Killing hearts adds a bit of mercy

[leaden glacier]

if you dont attack him

if you do attack him it instead deals 3% damage

[hasty sapphire]

But how does that make sparing easier

[leaden glacier]

it doesnt

that's the entire point

[hasty sapphire]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/455836779560304650/1217509054323228733/animal.gif

Understood

[leaden glacier]

meant to be read as "because [heartstring mercy] makes the fight easier" sorry

[signal grail]

oh i think i understand now

do you mean fighting replaces the spare with damage

[leaden glacier]

yeah

[signal grail]

[leaden glacier]

sorry if i didn’t make that clear

oh shoot i can die once without spamton getting debuffed that’ll make this easier

mostly so i don’t have to do the whole intro again

and he wasn’t even at full power !

a whole 46 damage per person on heart on a chain ^_^

considering grinding for like 5 royal pins for the slight def buff

[supple belfry]

pancak

[cursive ravine]

[leaden glacier]

aha yeah we’re gonna be here a while

heart on a chain does roughly ~45 dmg per person

[woven tulip]

||hard to sleep peacefully when there is a fight next to you||

[woven tulip]

it’s definitely worse than dealmaker

[hasty sapphire]

Because you don't normally fight yeah

But when you do it goes hard

[woven tulip]

and 30% more kromer

[leaden glacier]

ya

[leaden glacier]

second version of phone hands does a whopping 105

for one person

we might be here a while

good prep for c3 though

[civic mason]

||I believe in yu||
||what i did: i didn realy use big shot unless it was required an mashed z on every attack||
||it worked pretty well||

[leaden glacier]

im glad im doing this actually sneo is too easy normally

[leaden glacier]

and i cant really repel him properly since im using normal shots

[leaden glacier]

oh i can beat normal sneo first try without any big shots

this is hellmode sneo. he has doubled attack

[civic mason]

w h a t

[leaden glacier]

[woven tulip]

that would be terrible game design then

[civic mason]

is ok yu can do it

[leaden glacier]

thank you

oh and also im not using bonus mercy ^_^

i'm gonna be here for a little bit

i should probably actually pick up the royal pins though

[hasty sapphire]

Why so

It's not like it demotivates you to do secret bosses, you still get gear

[woven tulip]

but why ||we "would like it"?, as seam says, ralsei already knows the whole prophecy anyway||

[hasty sapphire]

And pure crystal still serves as a hint for possible other choices

[leaden glacier]

it still feels like it's building up to something big

[woven tulip]

i don’t care about gear

[hasty sapphire]

It's an optional thing, I'm not sure it will be something that big

Not something plot defining at least

Not in normal route at least

[leaden glacier]

sure not plot defining but that doesnt mean it's necessarily small

[woven tulip]

seam wouldn’t talk like this if shadow crystals were useless in the normal route

[leaden glacier]

nodnod

[hasty sapphire]

Seam is weird

[leaden glacier]

seam likely Knows Things though

see: ||shadow mantle||

they don't really seem like they'd sugarcoat or build up stuff that isn't important in some way

[woven tulip]

why would it be displayed in chapter selection screen then? not even weird route has anything special there, only chapter completion stars.

[leaden glacier]

ahah never mind the first one is worse ^_^

112

[mild hull]

I predict minor seam plot relevance in C7

[woven tulip]

seam is the knight

[hasty sapphire]

Ch6 I think

[signal grail]

i predict seam plot relevance in chapter 1

[hasty sapphire]

||Since this is likely when we'll get pure crystal||

[signal grail]

itll probably be 5 since thats when youll have every shadow crystal

[woven tulip]

doesn’t mean you will visit castle town though

[mild hull]

yknow whatd be funny

we just never get another secret boss and the pure crystal stuff goes entirely unused 😌

[woven tulip]

[hasty sapphire]

It's not impossible that the last secret boss is after ch5

[woven tulip]

we won’t get another secret boss, instead the crystal will just be in ralsei’s castle

[leaden glacier]

i’m starting to think maybe this is a bad idea

[woven tulip]

[mild hull]

phone hands isnt so bad with spam bigshots tho right

[signal grail]

6 and 7 secret bosses maybe are locked behind completing the last 5

[mild hull]

since you can keep the head super far back

[signal grail]

nows your chance to be a big shot

[leaden glacier]

i’m not spamming big shots after the initial hellmode activation

[woven tulip]

maybe there isn’t any secret bosses after ch5 💔

well, not shadow crystal ones

[leaden glacier]

i’m making this as hard as possible.

[hasty sapphire]

Purer and purest crystal boses in ch6-7

[woven tulip]

purring crystal in ch8💔

[signal grail]

what does enraged spamton even do

[hasty sapphire]

More damage

[signal grail]

is that it

[civic mason]

(chaper 3 spilers) ||I was watching a video for tips on fighting the knight and on the diagonal attack I always die on the tip was: "this attack is realy iconsistent, my only tip is to pray"||

[woven tulip]

[hasty sapphire]

I think that's all

[signal grail]

making a tips video and then not giving tips is high tier youtube content

[leaden glacier]

double damage, heartstring has more health

[hasty sapphire]

||The tip is to deal enough damage to skip this attack entirely||

[leaden glacier]

As of v1.07, alongside increasing damage, the properties of certain attacks are altered when Spamton NEO is enraged, attacks are brought out earlier in the fight, and any health-based attacks (such as Chained Heart) have higher health than usual,
deltarune wiki

[civic mason]

||is there a way to tell if I did the proper rudebuster timing||

[broken solstice]

On the same level as googling a question and the first response being the same question asked on some platform with everyone just responding with "just google it"

[leaden glacier]

this is so awesome. (ch4)

[civic mason]

||pet the cats||

[hasty sapphire]

The game says there's a distinct sound for it but I never noticed

[civic mason]

||o ok||
||ty||

[hasty sapphire]

As long as you didn't press it too late and miss it entirely you're good basically

[civic mason]

(chaper 3 spoilers) ||kris coughed dialogue is hilarious||

[broken solstice]

||generally all Knight attacks come in a set order, if you are not brimming with TP already then just defend with everyone when the problematic attack is next. You can use Hold Breath to move faster or hold X to move slower btw||

[civic mason]

||cough cough "hey buddy you're losing horribly"||
||"woa realy"||
||"haven't even scratched us"||
||"dam ok"||

[hasty sapphire]

||Hold breath is more of a "you have to" than "you can"||

[civic mason]

(chaper 3 an 4 spilers) ||I cant wait to fight person after finally ending the knight||

[broken solstice]

I did it without it tbh, didnt have much issue (took me like 5 tries I think?)

[civic mason]

||o||
||I always skipped it for a little extra tp||
||usualy ended up dying near the diagonal battle box attack tho||

[signal grail]

||im playing the fight now just to test this attack and it really just seems like you should stay out of the corner when it shows up||

[hasty sapphire]

||You only need to do it once, it lasts the entire battle||

[signal grail]

you dont have to

[hasty sapphire]

||Just do it first turn, it's much better than 10 dmg from Kris||

[civic mason]

||o ty||
||hopefuly ill deal enough damage to skip that attack tho||

[hasty sapphire]

But there's no reason not to

Other than extra challenge

[woven tulip]

you can use items that increase tension

[civic mason]

I don think i have any
||I had to reset the chaper for the shadow mantle but I never got my chaper 2 items (which had my only tension items||

[woven tulip]

of course, but it makes it easier

[woven tulip]

there is one in ch3

well, at least one

in ||the b room||

[hasty sapphire]

Tension was never an issue for me in this fight

Might use one to rude buster first turn

[woven tulip]

yeah

that’s what i did

[hasty sapphire]

Actually does that even work

[woven tulip]

yes

if kris uses it

[broken solstice]

||honestly I wish the Hold Breath not being one turn was signalised a bit better. With how intense the fight is, it is really hard to figure it out on your own||

[hasty sapphire]

||I mean it has dialogue for using it second time but it's still not very clear||

[woven tulip]

tension items immediately increase, but only for party members whose turns are after the one who used

well, i mean in the same turn (of course it keeps it afterwards)

[signal grail]

familiarity and spacing

[woven tulip]

i thought it means it’s single time for one turn buff

💔

[signal grail]

||it seems like for the diagonal bisect you need to avoid being on the diagonal and not touch the edges||

[karmic elm]

@signal grail is in ch6

theyre the hedgehog behind the bush

[signal grail]

@karmic elm is in chapter 2

[leaden glacier]

oh okay so this game just had to kill me after that. Okay. (ch4)

[karmic elm]

[signal grail]

shes the pile of trash in the garbage zone

:3 :3 :3

[karmic elm]

LMAO

[signal grail]

cammyboig in tears

[civic mason]

||im confused what does this mean||

[karmic elm]

haii

also btw

did you watch the slash theory i sent

[signal grail]

haiiiiiii

[mild hull]

||poking fun at crack theories about the identity of mike made before C3 release||

[leaden glacier]

i dont have a screenshot but if i had to guess it might be related to the ||police stuff||? iirc i might be wrong

[signal grail]

i watched some of it

[leaden glacier]

im probably wrong

[woven tulip]

mike’s gender identity because of woke

[karmic elm]

i really enjoyed it, its a really fun theory

[civic mason]

||mike ro phone ||

[mild hull]

oh yeah kris-wise ||it is probably related to the conspiracy board thingy in carol's room, presumably related to dess stuff||

[woven tulip]

or it’s probably just not very nice to look at

[civic mason]

maybe the colors are unpleasant

[signal grail]

show us

[woven tulip]

a lot of random information connected with strings

[civic mason]

its all pointing ||to Susie finding out "kris, where the heck ar we"||

[mild hull]

||I believe that's what asgore was standing in front of||

[hasty sapphire]

||I wonder why Toriel isn't supportive of this, doesn't seem like Asgore and Carol do anything bad||

[signal grail]

oh i see

[civic mason]

||wy is there a katana||

[hasty sapphire]

||Carol just happens to be really into katanas for some reason||

||And maybe shurikens ||

[leaden glacier]

okay so putting that up was just rude, /sillyj (c4)

[uneven prism]

Rude??? Like. Rude buster

[leaden glacier]

no way

[signal grail]

rude up your bat

[leaden glacier]

||OH MY GOD HI TENNA'S THEME||

i'm gonna fail SO badly i hate ||rhythm games|| <-said with a grin

||c rank||

||B RANK TENNAR :D||

[civic mason]

||how did yu get to play the lighters live game again I loved that one||

[leaden glacier]

have you beaten c4

[civic mason]

yes

[leaden glacier]

||go back to castle town||

[civic mason]

||I need to re-beat it bc i had to reset the chaper||

[leaden glacier]

ah

good luck!

[civic mason]

ty

||actualy I may need to reset chaper 3 again bc for some reason it didn carry over anything from chaper 2||

||they eated my dealmaker ||

[leaden glacier]

auuuuu

[civic mason]

zx

[leaden glacier]

||new hc kris is a rhythm gamer||

[civic mason]

(chepr 3 spiler) ||its time to hold breath until i realize that wil probably make me die (knight fight)||

[leaden glacier]

partially a joke partially serious

[civic mason]

||i just noticed!! the susie dialogue changes whether kris and ralsei are up or not!!||

||kris+ralsei down: "even if you knock them down, as long as im here to bring them back up.."||
||kris+ralsei up: "even if you knock me down, as long as kris and ralsei are here to bring me back up"||

[wispy steppe]

Deltarune AU where nothing changes except lancer is an actual ball

[civic mason]

||noo i got so close||
||i got to the attack where the knight slashes in a circle an then died 4 attacks after||

[signal grail]

||is your inventory full of tvdinners besides revive mint||

[civic mason]

||2 revivemints, 2 deluxe dinners, 3 tv dinners, and the rest is slop||

[leaden glacier]

||A RANK TENNAR||

[civic mason]

||great job :D||

(cjeper 3 spilers)
||ralsei i culd hug yu right now||

[signal grail]

||tv dinners are pretty cheap so i think its worth replacing the slop||

[weary granite]

Definitely worth

[civic mason]

||ok||
||ty||

||grinding all those points on the one enemy from mr. tenna round 2 was so useful||

[wispy steppe]

|| I remember when I thought tenna was gonna a woman cuz for me the name “Tenna” just sounds feminine, did any of u think that too||

[weary granite]

||If you have a shit ton of cd bagels for no apparent reason it'd be good to sell them for the tv dinners||

[civic mason]

||sadly, none of my chaper 2 items came with me wen after i reset chaper 3||
||no mater what i cannot make the save file continue from chaper 2||

[weary granite]

Go back to chapter 2 and fully complete the save

It did it for me as well, had to continue the cutscene to end credits in ch2

[civic mason]

||for me doing that didn help||
||maybe is bc i had a save file in slot 2 for chaper 3 i didn reset||

||if i beat the knight ill probably reset to get chaper 2 continuation||

||fighting the knight is fun anyways||

[weary granite]

It is yeah :D

||Have you done Snowgrave yet?||

[leaden glacier]

THANK YOU :D

[civic mason]

||what ||

[vivid verge]

||loved it when Kris beat the shit outta me in a trash can for traumatizing Noelle again||

[weary granite]

||Do yoy know the weird route at all?||

[civic mason]

||ye||
||i don wana do it||

[weary granite]

Oh fair enough

It isnt thaaaattt bad in ch2

||It is pretty bad in CH4|| (ch4 weird route)

[leaden glacier]

if it’s not bad in c2 i’m scared.

[weary granite]

Trust me, its bad

[signal grail]

its bad in both chapters

equally so

[leaden glacier]

i’m not sure i want to watch what happens

[civic mason]

||bought a whole bunch of items an armors||
||knight round i lost count||

[leaden glacier]

good luck

[civic mason]

ty

||i timed the rudebuster with the music again!!||

[vivid verge]

Yeah ||killing berghly isn't "that bad"||

[weary granite]

I found chapter 4 to be farrrr more hurtful to watch in ch2

Both are bad, but for me I barely could go through ch4

[weary granite]

True, ||Berdly haters stay strong

Berdly is my second favorite character ||

Berghly

[vivid verge]

||berdly was literally me in middle school||

[civic mason]

burgerly

[vivid verge]

Borgerly

||what if it was called snotgrave and he became boogerly?||

[leaden glacier]

c3 ||i miss tenna||

[woven tulip]

do you have to?

[weary granite]

Im doing do

Doin alright

[woven tulip]

you can just continue with ch2 file?

[weary granite]

Yeag

How else wouls you continue the weird route?

[woven tulip]

are you sure you do it correctly?
how specifically did you start ch3

[civic mason]

end chaper 2
press continue
it ask me make new file
make new file
it ask me for name
use same name as chaper 1 an 2
done

[woven tulip]

that’s not correct 💔

[weary granite]

When making a chapter 3 save go to the bottom, there it allows you to transfer a save

You have to do that for all the chapters

[woven tulip]

it should be something "ch2 files"

[civic mason]

o ok

[woven tulip]

also do you have ch4 save? (just in case )

[woven tulip]

that’s if ||you believe ralsei, and think that darkners aren’t real|| ch3/j

[civic mason]

no i resetted that one too

[weary granite]

Ahh*

[weary granite]

I highly recommend doing a 100% save if you want to do a continuous save playthrough btw or if you just want to mess around

[civic mason]

wdym 100% save

[weary granite]

A save where you just try to get everything (except weird route stuff)

I do a normal blind save, then a weird route save, then a 100% save

[civic mason]

o
i missed jevil tho

[weary granite]

Oh then yeah start from ch1 for a 100% save and do all the little things

For mine I looked at a checklist to see what I could have missed on my normal playthrough

[mild hull]

my plan rn is to wait until just before C5 to do my 100% saves, 'cause I'll have more motivation and itll get me into The Groove™

[weary granite]

Oh fair yeah

Cant wait

[alpine estuary]

lmao 😭

[alpine estuary]

||kris slash theory is peeking out from behind the bushes ||

[hardy marsh]

Nice lady Eva look at this

Do you know Trans the Skeleton?

[alpine estuary]

TRANS THE SKELETON

no way

[vivid verge]

Human I remember you're change in mission

[hardy marsh]

Sans is my new icon

Mad mew mew and the cute lion lady

[vivid verge]

|| I know like everyone is talking about asgore running over dess, but I wish and hope friend inside me is real in chapter 5||

[leaden glacier]

||what is friend inside me from??||

[weary granite]

||Oh noes

Friend...||

[weary granite]

Toy Story

[leaden glacier]

i 🌊

[weary granite]

Which Toby Fox famously shit posted a LOT of

[vivid verge]

Toby fox shitpost before undertale was made

[weary granite]

You got a friend in me!
(Toby has a huuuggggeee history of shit posting toy story LOL)

[vivid verge]

The pete n vb animation slaps though

[weary granite]

Never seen it

[vivid verge]

||Although unused it is in the game, and tenna does mention the show in the actual game||

[cursive ravine]

Susie fans understand a platonic friendship (challenge impossible)

[weary granite]

LOL

That barely flies copyright

And considering its Disney? Yeah no I see why it was cut

[vivid verge]

I've heard of platonic but never plutonic

Is it a radioactive relationship?

[cursive ravine]

I hope you stub your toe

[weary granite]

Plutonium!!!

Makes the body stronk

[weary granite]

[vivid verge]

|| https://youtu.be/V8KoQ8XDoCI?si=3f6t1pjQoaMKG1JS ||

[cursive ravine]

Like actually I feel like people just forget what a friendship is😭

Nope I’m not noelle

[weary granite]

D:

(Probably dont joke about that too much)

[leaden glacier]

what’s the context?

[vivid verge]

Fair point.

[cursive ravine]

Eh it’s just there are so many ships that people believe are canon in deltarune that are like Susie X Kris or Ralsei which annoys me because obviously they are just best friends

[weary granite]

Yeah please dont do those types of jokes

[leaden glacier]

ah i 🌊

[cursive ravine]

And like shipping is fine but acting like it’s canon is not

[vivid verge]

Okay I will delete my threats

[weary granite]

[leaden glacier]

||rouxls voice battle thruple|| c3

oops

[vivid verge]

|| "it's pronounced rules" helped me beat the roaring knight boss fight ||

The bossfight music was just way too chaotic for me

[woven tulip]

there are way more direct references in deltarune 💔

[weary granite]

Yeah fair point

But tbh this is the one where its the most blatant
(As in, most casual audiences will immediately get the reference)

[vivid verge]

Like ||among us||

[weary granite]

Not everyone remembers song names, EVERYONE knows what Toy Storie's basic premise

[weary granite]

Those devs are chill

Disney aint

Remember, they will sue for the most basic of reasons

[woven tulip]

i don’t think an idea of a cowboy puppet is copyrightable

[cursive ravine]

I wouldn’t call suselle a ship in the way where the community made it because they like it suselle is just a part of the actual story and will probably come true

[weary granite]

Fair actually, though playing it safe aint too bad here

Considering there have been more aggregious copyright claims that actually worked

[vivid verge]

May I remind you the chapter 2 references to ||the beauty and the beast?||

[cursive ravine]

It already kinda has since ||susie is bringing Noelle to the festival||

[weary granite]

Where?

I forgor

[woven tulip]

it was cut because ||the board was cut||

[weary granite]

Oh yeah makes sense

[vivid verge]

||Sans shop and also in chapter one when you go to asgores house when you interact with the flowers||

[woven tulip]

specifically because it would make the chapter too long and boring, y’know

[weary granite]

Yeah, the two panel length is perfect

[vivid verge]

||Which in of itself is a reference to toy story 2, show was canceled and so was the board||

[leaden glacier]

toby should release ||the board|| later /sillyj (i just want more ||tenna||

[signal grail]

do you mean krusie fans

[weary granite]

Kerdly fans stay strong

[cursive ravine]

Well there is all Susie Ralsei thing and also some others I think

[vivid verge]

Some deltarune fans have just never heard of besties i guess

[woven tulip]

tbh i think the way it’s now is pretty fitting ||considering ingame story, the board 3 was cancelled, and tenna made up evil doom board instead||

[leaden glacier]

the devious polycule:

[cursive ravine]

Idk

[signal grail]

oh lol

[cursive ravine]

But yeah

[signal grail]

yeah i feel like susie has exactly 0 romantic chemistry with anyone but noelle

[vivid verge]

The wholesome polycule: the jigsaw guys

[cursive ravine]

It’s annoying because a lot of the shippers act like it’s fact😭

[weary granite]

Ironically, Its funny to think that Kris and Berdly would fail successfully, Berdly makes pies completely randomly, match made in heaven (ignoring Berdly's personality)

[signal grail]

jigsaw joe and his polycule

[woven tulip]

kris and berdly would just play games together, the gamers💔

[vivid verge]

God it's sad Cammyg was completely wrong, but I do hope to hear the rest of his theories because they were such a good watch.

[vivid verge]

I mean cammyboig

[weary granite]

Oh gods, the horror D:

[signal grail]

yeah i like his presentation

[cursive ravine]

||No I’m pretty sure in game Kris hates berdly because when you talk to Ralsei about who you are bringing Kris has a reaction if I remember correctly||

[weary granite]

Probably

Hell us ||Making Kris go to the festival with Berdly is probably the worst ever outcome for them, but hey maybe it works out :D||

[cursive ravine]

No I think Kris is just going to kill us

[woven tulip]

they probably just aren’t that close friends

[cursive ravine]

No they hates berdly

[woven tulip]

also they would probably be a bit annoyed after ch2 events

[vivid verge]

||also love the concept that the reason queen cares so much about Noelle is because they used to play games together with some of other chapters bosses. Yknow with them being inanimate objects||

[leaden glacier]

shipping is funny to me because i automatically assign every character aroace unless canon gives me a reason to think otherwise

[cursive ravine]

No they hate berdly

[weary granite]

Oh my god

The worst timeline may just be ||Abandoning snowgrave right before you kill Berdly...then make Kris go to the festival with him
(If Kris hates berdly that badly LOL||

[woven tulip]

i kinda think this too

[weary granite]

I dont think Kris hates Berdly that much tbh

[vivid verge]

||No they're annoyed by berghley they don't hate him||

[weary granite]

Like, yeah hes annoying af, but not hate

[broken solstice]

Hello Papyrus is Knight chat

[cursive ravine]

#1379482184980758598 message

[weary granite]

I dont hate my little bro for being annoying, But I dont got to like it much either

[cursive ravine]

Well they are your brother so that’s different

[woven tulip]

ralsei is the knight

[vivid verge]

||speaking of snowgrave I wonder if turning on the heater in chapter 4 will do anything later on||

[weary granite]

Yeah but this doesnt fully signify that Kris hates him, just that he doesnt like the decision that much

[weary granite]

Who knows

[broken solstice]

Counterpoint: ||Kris forces us to help Berdly in weird route if we interact with anything, along with being the only reasom he may survive in the first place||

[cursive ravine]

Well I choose to believe they hate him

[weary granite]

Alrighty, I'll chose to believe my own beliefs then

[cursive ravine]

Well just because you hate someone doesn’t mean you want to kill them

[vivid verge]

Do you hate berdly?

[cursive ravine]

Yes

[vivid verge]

Makes sense now.

[weary granite]

I think Berdly is okay, hes a nerd who doesnt have good social skills, but as we know from Ch2 and weird route, he really does care for his friends

[broken solstice]

Honestly I kinda see myself in Berdly so hating him would just feel wrong

[weary granite]

Hes one of my favorites

[woven tulip]

imagine if ||you are forced to choose some random person you know instead of your close friends||

[vivid verge]

Same

[weary granite]

Same yeah

I understand his viewpoint slightly, hes still a huge exaggeration but like, his character makes sense

[cursive ravine]

Well I’m annoying but not like that so I hate him

[weary granite]

Alrighty

[woven tulip]

i don’t hate any characters .

[cursive ravine]

Also even if I was annoying like him I’m a hypocrite so I would still hate him

[vivid verge]

||what if Jerry was the knight?||

[signal grail]

the closest i get to hate is ch3 rouxls 😭

[weary granite]

||Berdly and Asgore are my favorite characters, sucks that their current iterations are like this, but hopefully Asgore gets a win....soon :(||

[weary granite]

True

Original Starwalker is leagues better than him smh

[weary granite]

||Its burger pants duh||

[vivid verge]

I need to do a run interacting with him

[cursive ravine]

how does anyone like berdly

He actually has no redeeming qualities

[signal grail]

hes relatable

[woven tulip]

yes

[weary granite]

We see a good bit of us in him

Hes socially akward, he tries his best, and he ultimately does care for his friends

We know he does

||Hes willing to die for it||

[woven tulip]

also what are implications of starwalker || using tenna’s style for "star" once||

[signal grail]

its not rare to feel as if you have to overperform because of external pressure or to feel like an impostor

[cursive ravine]

Idk a annoying character is an annoying character even if they still are a good person

[signal grail]

he only acts the way he does in chapter 2 because he wants to make a world thats kind to him and noelle

[weary granite]

Yeah

[woven tulip]

berdly volunteers in the library 💔

[cursive ravine]

Well in the light world as well he is annoying

[signal grail]

hes snide and insecure but its not really out of malice

[cursive ravine]

I don’t like him

[weary granite]

There is far more nuance than just annoyance

People are annoying for a reason, the way Toby implements his annoyance is good, he is annoying cause he tries way too hard to impress others

As Lyn just said, hes very insecure

[cursive ravine]

I feel like this server has every opposite opinion I have ever seen💀

[weary granite]

I know a lot of people outside of the server who likes Berdly

A good chunk of the community does actually

They joke about him a lot since he can be easily made into a punchline

[cursive ravine]

An annoying character is an annoying character doesn’t matter if he has good qualities or is a good person he is still annoying

[signal grail]

i think hes funny

[woven tulip]

i don’t think any deltarune/undertale character is straight up bad or evil, more complicated

[cursive ravine]

Like it’s kinda funny but that doesn’t change my opinion on how I want to throw him off a cliff

[weary granite]

Alright, I personally think annoying characters can be well made, even if they are annoying

Berdly is well made and has a slightly more tragic side to it

If you still hate him, thats alright, everyone's opinion on it is gonna be different

[cursive ravine]

I think he is well made

But again

If I find something annoying I’m not going to think about how he is well made

[weary granite]

Ok

[woven tulip]

[cursive ravine]

Its like just because flowey is a good well made character doesn’t mean i have to like him for their personality

[weary granite]

Thats fair, we've both made our points on it

Agree to disagree

[signal grail]

even flowey is a cmpelling character lol

like not just one sided evil/annoying

[woven tulip]

yeah

[cursive ravine]

Again

I’m not saying anyone is not compelling or a good well made character

I’m saying I find their personality annoying and bad and it makes me angry

[sudden pilot]

My thoughts on berdly: I hate him but I like how he’s written

[cursive ravine]

HE IS A INCEL