deltarune ch3-4 (soiler warning)

[signal grail]

heart attack 😼

[mighty pagoda]

funny deltarune explosion is gonna happen

[clear sparrow]

c3 secret boss reward spoil ||apparently black shard does not transform into anything when you leave the dark world, it remains as is.||

[signal grail]

✅

[pliant bluff]

yo wtf

[clear sparrow]

jus did c4 weird route and i feel so bad

[signal grail]

[opal grotto]

[mighty pagoda]

[prisma zealot]

[lone tusk]

geen

[clear sparrow]

||oh i realised what the evil creatures in the dark rooms in c4 are, they're titan spawn!|| c4 spoiler

||or atleast thats what the sprite is||

[signal grail]

YEAHYHHHHHHHHHHH

it felt so awesome noticing that on replay

[clear sparrow]

it is interesting though

||theres no titan but the titan spawn are already around , even if only in the dark||

||ngl on my first playthrough i thought the monsters in the dark was the old man going crazy in the dark or trolling us or something cause he always appears right after || c4 spoil

[signal grail]

||the titans are just what happens when you go darker than darker than dark, so it makes sense the normal darkness would show up in a super dark area in the dark world||

||like the darkness becomes SO deep it takes "physical" form, and the fountains are just that on an overwhelming scale||

[clear sparrow]

|| i guess the titans are said to be the fear of the dark in physical form so it makes sense||

[signal grail]

||btw i love the explanation for dark worlds ralsei gives in chapter 3||

[mighty pagoda]

||I would even say that they break the 4th wall tbh||

[signal grail]

||ppl say that kris' sword is like a pencil in the light world so i wonder what susies axe is supposed to be||

[signal grail]

why do you think that

[broken solstice]

||A toothbrush, she said it during ch4 secret boss fight||

[clear sparrow]

||i mean bleh im glad its there but it didnt really give me anything new||

[mighty pagoda]

||the fact that darkness obscures your vision and you dont see things as they are, just like ralsei says||

[broken solstice]

||it is really tied deeply to the entry 17. And allows for some confirmation and character development||

[signal grail]

||oh she does?||

[clear sparrow]

||the last one is true i guess||

[signal grail]

||that sso funny why is she just carrying a toothbrush around 😭||

[clear sparrow]

||what do you think she's supposed to do after she eats chalk||

🪥

[signal grail]

the chalk cleans her teeth for her 😋

[clear sparrow]

what

how would you know

chalk eater spotted

[signal grail]

how wouldnt YOU know 🫵

[full lion]

deltarune 7 tomorrows ago

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c4 item spoiler ||i was so hyped when i found the absorbax and found it had the vampire effect on it but then i saw how much it actually heals and got so dissapointed||

[signal grail]

😻

[clear sparrow]

what is it with videogames and making vampirism fucking suck

[heady fossil]

Coughs in ||Vampire Knives|| Terraria Lateish game item soiler

[mighty pagoda]

terraria raincord thread

[signal grail]

its probably hard to balance properly

[clear sparrow]

well true but damn eveyr single time i see it in a game its so weak that its practically useless

[signal grail]

True!

||i assumed the absorbax was based on damage dealt is it actually always just 2||

[broken solstice]

Except when it is the boss with lifesteal 🥹

[clear sparrow]

||yeah i think it is just 2||

[signal grail]

😭😭

[clear sparrow]

i mean

i guess it could let you survive

literally just 1 more hit

if you get lucky

[signal grail]

yeah it could let you survive a fly flapping its wings at you

if it were 8 or 10 it might be useful

[clear sparrow]

yeahh

especially with the way deltarune works its like

literally never going to be used

[signal grail]

it instaly becomes obsolete anyway bc of ||the hammer of justice||

[clear sparrow]

if its this bad in c4 its actually trash in c5

[broken solstice]

It is kinda useful for ||ch4 secret boss||

[clear sparrow]

i hope that does something special in the future

but at the same time i kinda get it if it never does do anything special

thematically would fit

[signal grail]

it gives you a shitton of attack

[clear sparrow]

jevilknife is good cause it stays relevant for so long

if your strategy is spamming rude buster then you are gonna use it 100% of the time

[broken solstice]

||gersons own version of prophecy says that in chapter 4 a blacksmith(?) gives a shitty weapon to the mc||

[clear sparrow]

||jokes on him justice hammer is actually peak||

[signal grail]

it might be the other meaning of terrible

where it has some stinky drawback

[clear sparrow]

c4 gameplay mechanic spoil ||i absolutely love the shadows reducing your tp gain in fights btw, actually made me use my items for once and not rely on ralsei spell for all my healing||

[signal grail]

real

[broken solstice]

||still a bit sad it doesnt reduce the 32% tp gain from tensionbit||

[signal grail]

||its good but i hope it gets used in a crafting recipe next chapter or something bc if you go jevilsknife chapter 1 after chapter 4 one of the secret boss rewards is just dead 😭||

[clear sparrow]

||secret boss items jus kinda work like taht boowomp............. i hate snowgrave for making me get puppet scarf||

[signal grail]

||i feel like you kinda get shoehorned into always sparing jevil and spamton just bc those items are inherently more versatile||

[clear sparrow]

||not to mention sparing them is easier||

[signal grail]

is it easier

[broken solstice]

||jevilsknife makes knight a bit easier, by giving more rude buster spam||

[clear sparrow]

it is for me

[signal grail]

||a bit but its really made up for by just being good at the fight||

[clear sparrow]

0 deaths on sparing jevil and 5 on beating him

[broken solstice]

Isnt killing jevil just mashing a single button and sparing jevil using the roulette act aka gambling which also requires tp

[signal grail]

||tail gives defense as well||

[clear sparrow]

as well as like 2 deaths on beating spamton and only 1 death when sparing (only because of poor equipment honestly)

[signal grail]

it requires tp but that also means youre defending

[clear sparrow]

i did the beat route after sparing so i had some experience too

the isssue is you can use the jeviltail and dealmaker on literally anyone but jevilknife and puppetscarf are only susie and ralsei exclusive

and puppetscarf is honestly just garbage why would you EVER trade so much magic for damage on ralsei

my face when i use the heal spell with puppet scarf and i heal 30 instead of 70

[signal grail]

the difference between these items is ridiculous though lol

[clear sparrow]

also

||dealmaker gets a cooler interaction in c3|| c3 spoil

[signal grail]

if youre killing everything you probably dont need to heal anyway

dealmaker just has so many other useful effects though

[clear sparrow]

i healed quite a bit on ||roaring knight||

[signal grail]

[clear sparrow]

i did mostly use items but i also used spells sometimes

[broken solstice]

||I find it hilarious how after secret bosses, Ralsei and Susie attack with some mythical shit while Kris stabs people with a dark pointy glass shard||

[clear sparrow]

in normal fights yeah true i guess

[signal grail]

true

[clear sparrow]

but in difficult bossfights i just find a more versatile team better

rather than just

pure dmg

[broken solstice]

Honestly I wish the game gets a hardmode / equivalent of Ribbit mod later on. The combat is actually peak but a bit too easy 🥹

[clear sparrow]

||i mean, it is a piece of roaring knight's sword so i think its cool enough||

[signal grail]

id like that too but it probably wont happen

it sounds like a lot of work for really little upside

[clear sparrow]

||but i guess the fact asgore literally also has one makes it less significant lol||

[broken solstice]

Also Deltarune needs a cutscene skip button so bad

[signal grail]

undertale hard mode wasnt even finished

[clear sparrow]

hard mode would have to have like

new attacks and mechanics and shit

[broken solstice]

Yeah it would take a lot of time and is unlikely but at very least I hope some modder does it

[signal grail]

deltarune mods are probably gonna be everywhere lol

[broken solstice]

I would try to mod Deltarune if it werent for my complete lack of any coding knowledge outside of C#

[signal grail]

after the game is fully released at least

[clear sparrow]

i remember when i first saw deltarune i didnt like it cause erm

wheres my black and white enemy portraits that take up half the screen

(unironically that was my reasoning)

[clear sparrow]

real

replaying the game mashing buttons is so

painful

it wasnt as bad in undertale cause undertale didnt have nearly as many cutscenes and was way shorter

[broken solstice]

You can hold C to skip dialogue btw. It is just that the parts where camera moves and other similar things cannot be skipped at all

[clear sparrow]

i know that yea

my hands are

so tired

of doing that

c4 character i love this creature so much btw

[signal grail]

what is he even supposed to be

[clear sparrow]

i dont know

[signal grail]

hes scairey af tho fr

[broken solstice]

||A pumpkin in light world iirc||

[clear sparrow]

||i thought it's like greater dog at first||

[broken solstice]

Inside the left room, upper door

[signal grail]

yeah i saw his light world decoration, i mean his head tho

[clear sparrow]

why does dude have a tiny white flag on his head

someone should resprite that into or somethign

oh hey i actually beat the secret c4 boss on first try this time

this bossfight is so awesomesauce

||i think jevilknife makes this fight easier cause the +4 magic from the axe improves susie's healing spell|| c4 spoil

[broken solstice]

||doesnt it make her gain, like, +1 health per magic point||

[clear sparrow]

|| ouuugh not sure , my healing reached like 38-42 i think||

[broken solstice]

||the more you spam heal, the better it gets. This goes on and is kept between fights, but reaches a final state after beating Gerson I think||

[clear sparrow]

i jus realised something

||does kris's knife not transform into literally anything when he goes into the dark world||c4 minor spoiler i guess

||we see that he carries it around with him in c4 so like , guh||

[mild hull]

we just dont get to access it from our inventory, I suppose

[clear sparrow]

с4 spoil ||has anyone checked if in that one fight with the posessed armor( or whatever its called) the gameplay mechanics are different if you dont pick the right directions and sounds before the fight||

if its a way for the game to check if you're wearing headphones before the fight then thats actually genius

[mild hull]

||yeah I intentionally got it wrong and I felt like the lights were brighter||

[clear sparrow]

actually so genius

[signal grail]

||i dont think finishing the gerson fight affects the spell, it should continually get better afterwards||

[hardy marsh]

Holy crap this real? (Ch4 spoilers)

[signal grail]

||iirc the lights only show up on the first 3 moves if you hear the instruments correctly but if you answer wrong the lights are permanent||

[signal grail]

its kind of smart but not really

theres no reason not to just have a deaf accessibility toggle on chapter select or config

[clear sparrow]

idk i like the way its integrated

the one pet peeve i have with deltarune is theres stairs in chapter 1 which require you to walk diagonally but in chapter 4 theres ladders you walk down/up automatically

[hasty sapphire]

||Ralsei is Kris's knife theory||

[rapid flame]

||as crazy as that sounds its making me think||

[signal grail]

||ralsei always shows up in a different part of the dark world though||

[clear sparrow]

||roulx also does and yet he comes from your inventory (with roulx you see him fall out of your pocket tho||

[hasty sapphire]

||Most of the time it's in the beginning of the dark world, Susie's one is the only exception so far||

[clear sparrow]

||yeah ralsei walks in front and around first to make sure you dont see the final prophecy||

[clear sparrow]

so true

her darkworld fit is so cool too

oh well

[hasty sapphire]

That's just how adults have fun

[somber skiff]

||weird route spoiler||

i love how everyone who finished deltarune ch3/4 just straight up starts sending deltamemes

[final rivet]

in relation

||i'm at a loss for words||

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c3 major spoiler ||i think there might be a solid chance The roaring knight is Dess???||

||when the roaring knight roars's its head turns into a deer skull, and also when it initially makes it's sword, it briefly looks like a bat||

||also the antlers just kinda look like reindeer antlers, they're stylized the same way||

[hasty sapphire]

||And Dess is left handed judging by the mouse on her pc, knight holds the sword in the left hand||

[clear sparrow]

||i guess it could also be Carol lol, but i dont see why she would use a bat||

||meeting the roaring knight with Noelle in the team might be very interesting, oh well, we'll have to wait until 2026 or later i guess..||

[finite sky]

||dess is also heavily implied to be the one whos trapped in usused dialogue (literally unused on purpose.... interesting), and many small side events like spamton's sweepstakes gave cryptic info about her and how ppl talk about her after her disappearance||

||it feels so weird to see that now just being a part of base game, chapter 3 gave lots of cryptic hints about her its insane||

[hardy marsh]

Chapter 3 spoilers

[finite sky]

on god how that felt

[clear sparrow]

so true

[finite sky]

||most painful thing ive done in deltarune/undertale||

[clear sparrow]

i still havent beaten UT genocide so i cant say

[hardy marsh]

||It was hard but SO GOOD, i love the rage hard bosses bring||

[clear sparrow]

(probably never will)

the reward for that fight is so awesomesauce

[finite sky]

me either, ||i didnt have the heart to kill papyrus|| 😭

[clear sparrow]

really pays off in chapter 4

[hardy marsh]

Chapter 4 spoilers (it's been a week come on Deltarune community :')

[clear sparrow]

oh i killed that guy like 6 times i was just stuck on undyne (undertale)

[finite sky]

SOB

||if weird route requires i have to kill susie to fulfill the prophecy i think i'll just quit the game|| (chapter 4 spoilers)

[hardy marsh]

||At first i quitted a few cause killing him felt bad, after a while i just went with it||

[clear sparrow]

||lowkey the knight cant be Carol because Carol would never aurafarm this hard /silly||

[finite sky]

||i think its funny noelle makes a reference to grimdark from homestuck cuz does that imply dess likely was an actual homestuck fan 😭 ||

[clear sparrow]

||wtf||

[hardy marsh]

||Oh shit a Homestuck reference...||

||Noelle is Rose lalonde confirmed||

[finite sky]

||dark, yet darker ||

[hardy marsh]

Or Eridan

:[

nvm

Spoilers ch4

[finite sky]

||the knight will underestimate the true power of friendship and funny comedic timing||

[clear sparrow]

||its funny how gerson would've easily soloed the knight||

[hardy marsh]

||Tbf Susie and co ALMOST put up a bit of a fight with the mantle and Susie lit pulled the friends by my side card||

[clear sparrow]

||getting it to 80% health is decent yeah||

[finite sky]

||probably, but also i feel ike the knight has a lot more witts than we give it- they know to end the fight if we continue resisting them and run away||
||and if nothing else, they'll summon titans to distract the fun gang||

[hardy marsh]

||My boy had to die just to not oneshot the Knight, bro got nerfed||

[meager hatch]

I've seen this

[hardy marsh]

Ch4 spoilers

[finite sky]

||the entire deltarune up against the knight: we're all here to stop you, you cant stop all of us!!!!||
||the knight: 🙂 -plunges 999 swords into the dark world||

[clear sparrow]

||btw i missed this dialogue because i turned on teh fucking santa toy||

[finite sky]

KJDSFJKL

[hardy marsh]

JAJSJJAS

I love that

[clear sparrow]

its so funny toby put that in

100% some tester did that and toby thought it'd be funny to add that in

[finite sky]

||i think the knight fight is the first time ive seen a hard boss being no hit was ever acknowledged by toby too 😭 || (chapter 3 end spoilers)

[clear sparrow]

||wait is there special dialogue for that||

[hardy marsh]

Ch4 spoilers

[finite sky]

DFJHKJSDJHK

[finite sky]

yeah

[hardy marsh]

||It made the titan spawn||

[finite sky]

||basically the final attack is queued when kris coughs towards the knight, and the knight tilts it head||
||or sorry, after the final attack||

[clear sparrow]

||yeah i lowkey thought it was a giant hyper realistic head and then it turned into biblically accurate angel||

[hardy marsh]

||i think that's what it was going for yeah||

||It's kinda funny cause they lit showed us that moment in the trailer, we just thought it was the Angel||

[clear sparrow]

||i didnt watch the trailer so i was going in blind||

[uneven prism]

🐴

[gritty goblet]

ch4 secret boss spoilrer

[clear sparrow]

||thats so funny,, its kris basically telling the knight to lock the fuck in|| c3 boss spoil

[hardy marsh]

End of chapter 4 spoilers

[clear sparrow]

on a second thought

[hardy marsh]

Do you guys think chapter 5 will come out alone or with 6

[finite sky]

its only confirmed that chapter 5 will come out next year

[clear sparrow]

||asgore talking about the black shard in chapter 4 could be him investigating carol, and not him being 'evil' ju like the knight/carol/kris||

||although i dont think any of them are 'evil' per say but are just misled instead, except the knight, they might actually just straight up be evil idk||

[finite sky]

||personally i think asgore is trying to find dess, theres some slight implications that he may be partially responsible for it though i forgot exactly where its mentioned ||

||oh, the police station||

[clear sparrow]

i meaan its possible but also likee

eehhhh

[hardy marsh]

Chapter 4 spoilers:

[finite sky]

||theres dialogue that mentions he retired at some point, i think forcefully||

[clear sparrow]

we waited so many years for two chapter + most of chapter 5 finished but unreleased

so i got no clue

[hardy marsh]

||The main plot: Susie and Noelle lesbian time||

[clear sparrow]

it would be fitting for the final 7th chapter to release standalone

[finite sky]

i agree

[hardy marsh]

Five feels like it's gona be bigger

||with the Festival and all||

||Me shaking and foaming, having a constant stroke knowing Nice cream guy x Burgerpants is canon and i'm all for it||

[meager hatch]

True....

[clear sparrow]

||gerson talks about chapters in his book or whatever and their names sorta match the plot of deltarune's chapters, and i also think he says the book ends at chapter 6 or something||

[hardy marsh]

Yes that's the idea

thought it was a bit on the nose

Lmao

[finite sky]

||i think gerson likely based his series off the prophecy, to be fair||

[hardy marsh]

||Clearly number 5 is gona be at Asgores flower shop||

[hardy marsh]

||Yes it's stated, he based his books directly on it||

[clear sparrow]

||i think chapter 7 might be AFTER the prophecy||

ough wrong reply

[hardy marsh]

||1: They beat the evil King Guy (King) and defeat the dragon (Susie i suppose)

2: they save the Queen riding some chariot (Queen and her car)

3: the heroes go to some islands and catch glimpses of some land (Tennas board worlds)

4: a Smith gives the heroes a terrible weapon (Gerson giving Susie his hammer)

5: something about a garden i forgor (Asgore and his flowers)||

Chapter 3-4 spoilers o_o

[clear sparrow]

|| Chapter 5, The field of Pink and Gold. The Vast garden is charred in an inferno of jealousy||

||and after that theres nothing which is a bit worrying||

[woven tulip]

i think if you defend it doesn’t do so much damage

||funny, but sword tunnels became ones of the chill attacks in my later attempts ||

you need all of them 💔

[clear sparrow]

||the snowflakes were my chill attack||

[woven tulip]

apparently ||speed increase from hold breath act is for the whole fight ||

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||WHAT||

[woven tulip]

i got to the last attacks without it because i thought it’s one turn only, so using it was just enough boost for me to win

[gritty goblet]

dilligaf

also im' not skipping The Activityi i just took a break because it was pissing me off

[woven tulip]

ch4 egg ||i’m almost sure it’s intentional how many times kris is referred with third person pronouns in the drawing dialogue ||

[gritty goblet]

what

[broken solstice]

Why is getting more speed that good?

[woven tulip]

||y’know, that knife spinning attack. also it gives a bit more time for split board attack. also last attack, i suppose||

[broken solstice]

Oh ok

I just used it like once, couldnt control it well and gave up on using it at all

[woven tulip]

||i mean the one where swords are launched at you||

it’s way easier with higher speed

||wait for the next one ||

[heady fossil]

||The knife tunnel?|| chap 4.

[woven tulip]

tbf, ||you get checkpoint right before the fight too. not a true real save, though.||

also, ||the whole fight isn’t because gerson is an antagonist, but instead gerson just challenges susie for a fair duel (the soul doesn’t get destroyed so it’s not a real death if you fail).

and it seems like one of reasons for the fight is to help susie get better with healing, because that’s the only way to heal in the fight (the power of OKHeal actually increases quite a lot each time you use it ).

and, gerson actually offers to give the crystal if you fail, but susie refuses, and asks for the rematch instead .||

yeah, right

there is also ||quite sad hidden prophecy line||

[opal grotto]

||I full comboed Raise Up Your Bat and Its TV Time||

[heady fossil]

||I suck so bad at those lol😭 I should try them again||

[woven tulip]

well, tbf ||it may be the knight. right after this, knight opens dark worlds in the church|| ch4

[woven tulip]

i’m not sure what are the implications of ||the Friend darkner|| being there, though

btw
ch3 secret and ch4 end
||getting shadow mantle and blackshard makes titan fight way easier||

so fighting ||knight is useful not just for the crystal||

[woven tulip]

but actually, i wonder ||what ralsei is in the light world ||

also whose room ||is in the flashback, i doubt it’s just a random room||

[opal grotto]

||I heard it could be Susie's room maybe ||

||I got a better full combo on Raise Up Your Bat||

[gloomy stump]

deltarune community try not to immediately lose it challenge (obviously deltarune 3-4 spoilers)

[modern galleon]

||The fact that Ralsei can appear in whichever dark room Kris and Susie are in kinda implies that he is something they carry. Considering how similar in appearance Ralsei and Asriel are (Susie commented on that when Asriel’s photo was shown to her), I personally believe he is something that Kris carries around that represents or belongs to Asriel. Maybe the heart locket (Since it’s related to the knife in Undertale)?||

||Or he could just be the 5 bucks Kris take from Asriel’s drawer ||

||Seriously what the 5 dollars have become when Kris enters a dark world||

[karmic elm]

ch3 spoilers ||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiyKLmIBCKM||

ch4 spoilers ||this kinda confirms for me that Dess is the knight. knight having antlers and some other dialogues already had me sure that dess is the knight but this kinda confirms it for me. the dialogue at the end here mentions not seeing your hand which is directly linked to inspecting the shadowcrystal ("You thought you saw through your hand.") and the knight is of dark and drops a crystal. you could also interpret small dark triangle as a guitar pick but that wpouldnt make sense with the part about losing your hand||

some people believe that ||carol is the knight but thats just an ultra red herring, she feels more like a frostmancer than anything to do with the knight||

[chilly ridge]

||is there any significance to the number 1225 besides the shelter code, like is it dess's number or something||

[karmic elm]

||1225 is also christmas (25th of the 12th||

||dess' full name is december holiday||

[chilly ridge]

||woah i didnt think of that||

||yeah i remember getting confused when tenna first said december and people were mentioning dess, i thought they were different people for a while||

[karmic elm]

nope! same person :3

[chilly ridge]

||maybe each symbol will have its own code||

[signal grail]

they do

[karmic elm]

ch3 spoilers but unused attacks for secret encounter ||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jwYQ8HvDiY||

[signal grail]

how did they dodge 0:50 that looked impossible /j

||the combo attacks and underbox attack look pretty cool, maybe theyre being saved for a future chapter||

[karmic elm]

yeah id have loved to see them

ch3 ||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-nlE-8-Ubs||

lmao

[signal grail]

😭

[karmic elm]

i hope we get some sort of boss rush but knowing undertale philosophy we probably wont

i really wanna replay some bosses 🙏

[signal grail]

itll defnitely be a mod

you can make save file backups at each boss though and just put them in when u wanna replay someone

[karmic elm]

ye

[signal grail]

5 items AND a black heart

god damn

[woven tulip]

but also, ||kris leaves castle town alone while susie and ralsei stay in chapter 2||

oh also if you in ch4 ||reload the save after ending, kris can leave dark sanctuary and go to castle town alone||

[modern galleon]

||I mean Darkners are sentient and autonomous can leave Kris’ pocket at will (like Lancer and Roulx did) when they’re in the dark world. So Ralsei being able to leave Kris doesn’t matter that much.|| But I do find it weird that ||Raisei is immune to petrification||

[karmic elm]

its not weird ralsei is literally the dark prince

part of his kit

[woven tulip]

||weird how rouxls and starwalker no longer show in the key items . lancer does, but not in light world inventory anymore, nor others||

actually nevermind that joke

[modern galleon]

||And I’m just glad that Roulx isn’t in every chapter||

||Never had a fictional character have me yell “get outta here” whenever I see them||

[woven tulip]

||what about sans||

[modern galleon]

||He gets outta here before I yell||

[signal grail]

||thats because ralsei "belongs" to every dark world, whatever that means||

[woven tulip]

||i thought ralsei wouldn’t have a light world form, since like it’s the pure darkness fountain . now idk what that even means, if castle town and ralsei still have light world equivalents||

||sealing the fountain and seeing that ralsei is actually a marketable ralsei plush in a closet|| ch7 ||||

[rocky hemlock]

I JUST BEAT ||THE RORAING KNIGHT||

LET'S GO!!

YAYY I'm so happy

[clear sparrow]

||isnt it shown that petrification works in a weird way in c3 and c4||

||c3 enemies start petrifying in their own world while c1 enemies from a different world remain||

[hardy marsh]

End of chapter 3 spoilers

[mighty pagoda]

||hell yeah|| (ch3 secret boss)

[finite phoenix]

If you're having trouble on ||roaring knight||

here's some advice i got

||- For the pizza cutter attack, don't react to it. You need to already be moving away from the center by the time it appears, or you won't be able to correct and dodge it reliably.||
||- Move in one direction at a time for the sword tunnel, and only tap in the direction until the very end. You don't need to move that much.||
||- For the diagonal split slashes, you can usually avoid those projectiles by just getting out of the corner for a bit. Just get a move on, and you'll be fine.||
||- Any attack with the small arrowheads has a deceptively small hitbox.||
||- This fight progresses based on damage. Susie is the best wielder of the shadow mantle, and you'll want to try to get as many rude busters as possible. Remember, you can press interact on impact to raise the damage of rude buster.||
||- Kris isn't taken to -999 by swoon, only around -80.||

also

||At the start of the fight, always use the hold breath act on Kris. You'll need the extra soul speed, so don't forget!||

[lone tusk]

||titan was harder for me 👀👀👀||

[signal grail]

||you definitely dont need the extra soul speed at any point, defending is more valuable to keep you alive from any slip up you make and gives tp for rude buster||

[modern galleon]

||I kinda just kept attacking after letting Kris hold breath for once||

||Attack with all three characters deals about 85 damage for me, and a well timed rude buster deals ~ 180||

||Now as much but damage is damage. And the knight uses their final attack at around 75% health||

[signal grail]

oh wait is it permanent

[finite phoenix]

yes

[signal grail]

damn i didnt know that

[finite phoenix]

||you just need to do it once at the start of the fight, and you keep it for the rest of it||

[karmic elm]

I found the speed to be more detrimental than helpful

I'm too used to dodging with normal soul speed

[mighty pagoda]

||<--- never used the "hold breath" act||

[karmic elm]

hi pebl

[mighty pagoda]

hi

[modern galleon]

Honestly I didn’t notice much of a difference

But using this act surely gave me more confidence

[karmic elm]

:3

if it works it works

ch3 spoilers ||https://x.com/seb_sketches/status/1933005907840864312|| cool art i found

rip embed </3

[mighty pagoda]

||did you know: you can see that you have the blackshard even in overworld|| (ch4)

||also kris got $2||

[karmic elm]

yep

im still not sure why

considering even ||shadow crystals turn into glass||

but im 99% sure this will be used for a light world secret

[signal grail]

||shadow crystals come from darkners, but the black shard came from a lightner||

[karmic elm]

that makes sense

[signal grail]

||the relevance of the glass to the secret bosses is weird though idk why they would be holding on to that||

||part of me thinks all of the shadow crystals combine into a prophecy or something||

[karmic elm]

well we already know that seam has a use for them

and he was involved in locking one up

so if anyone knows hell have some juicy dialogue soon :3

[clear sparrow]

||titan was literally free though? like he actually has like, 3 attacks|| c4 spoil

[mighty pagoda]

||HOLY SHIT|| (ch4 weird route)

[prisma zealot]

[mighty pagoda]

||oh i heard my favourite sound from ch2||

||the sound that plays when you progress in the snowgrave route||

||KRIS WHAT THE FUCK||

[prisma zealot]

pretty reasonable i think

after what happened

[mighty pagoda]

||hi asgore||

huh (ch4)

[clear sparrow]

reasonable crashout

[mighty pagoda]

im so evil and fucked up :3

[clear sparrow]

||yeah thats what i thought!||

||TV world darkners start petrifying cause Tenna is crashing out and starts firing everyone, so they no longer 'belong' there||

[hardy marsh]

||Oh that makes sense||

[somber ember]

||Susie final boss for the weird route || (weird)

[finite sky]

||ive come to like the idea that ralsei is a drawing that kris might either carry around physically, or due to the nature of the darkest fountain of castle town which can substain all darkners that maybe ralsei is the idea of kris as asriels brother||

||basically kris's monstersona||

[somber ember]

Interesting theory

[karmic elm]

i was so fucking freaked out when that happened

i love||susie and kris friendship and i was so fucking scared this was about to start traumatizing and manipulating susie who FINALLY found someone she can trust after so long||

[clear sparrow]

deltarune really nails that possessed videogame feeling

[karmic elm]

im so scared of continuing the forbidden path

i was this ready to quit and delete the save

i will cry if their relationship is damaged or ruined

but a part of me wants to push on and see what happens

i hate it i hate it

[prisma zealot]

because you HAVE to see

[clear sparrow]

||c3 sword route especially felt so weird to me||

[somber ember]

||It will definitely ruin the relationship with susie
It's gonna be painful|| (weird)

[karmic elm]

yeah, and kris ||looking over their shoulder as they literally murder their friends, its a really weirdesque route||

[karmic elm]

IM SO SCARED

[prisma zealot]

it sure is weird!

[weary granite]

I have so many theories I should post here

[somber ember]

||I love the weird route, cooler than genocide route||

[clear sparrow]

||i think snowgrave is the real way the prophecy is meant to go, sword route is based on the prophecy and it has kris use noelle and kill ralsei and susie...|| c3 secret spoil

[karmic elm]

yes

[prisma zealot]

||and much less boring too ||

[karmic elm]

thats kinda confirmed by ch4

||"kris wouldnt let it happen"||

[clear sparrow]

||also dunno if its important but the prophecy image in c4 depicts susie with a sword, which honestly is really weird to me, is it even meant to be susie???|| c4 spoil

[somber ember]

||I think weird route breaks the game too much for it to be the intended route. You go out of your way to make your choices matter ||

(weird)

[karmic elm]

theres 2 ways to interpret it

well maybe more but i have 2 theories

[clear sparrow]

||i heard someone interpet that its actually noelle and susie was never meant to be one of the main heroes, (noelle can equip some sword items apparently)||

[somber ember]

||Undyne the undying, flowey's monologue and sans are zeeljod, tho || (undertale geno)

[karmic elm]

I think this darker route is so much better than genocide imo

[prisma zealot]

true, but the rest is just 😴

[karmic elm]

Toby really said oh genocide wasn't mentally taxing enough for you? Have this

proceeds to depict the most spine chilling goosebumps inducing scenes

[weary granite]

||I have a slight idea on how this is may play out, from the looks of things, there are two prophecies that were told, the beginning prophecy shows Kris, Susie, and Ralsei very obviously (though Kris may be slightly debatable) but the prophecy in the church is actually different from the ones we know (with it showing the Vessel and the heart, Noelle holding what I assume is the twisted sword, and Ralsei||

Imo, ||There are two variations of the prophecy, with the main one shown in the beginning being the normal route....and the second one in the church showing the weird route. A huge theme in Gerson's dialogue is that the prophecy can be reinterpreted in many ways, with those two being the most obvious ones|| (Weird route soilers)

[clear sparrow]

||like i dunno this does not look like Susie to me||

||Susie has a different symbol used for her.||

[weary granite]

||Susie doesnt hold swords, Noelle does|| (Soilers)

[clear sparrow]

|| and all of a sudden shes the second hero? but in the previous prophecy she's the last.||

[prisma zealot]

||yeah it looks much more like noelle||

[karmic elm]

no shes always second

rewatch the telling

[clear sparrow]

meow meow

[karmic elm]

oh huh

[clear sparrow]

||i think the prophecy we see in chapter 1 is told by ralsei, so we should take it with a grain of salt, its his interpretation of it.||

[karmic elm]

why does it make you think its noelle specifically

/genq

[weary granite]

||Gerson himself mentions a lot that the prophecy shouldnt be followed by its exact word, the prophecy in the church as well is also interpeeted from older texts and many of it is lost||

[clear sparrow]

||she can use some swords and also she's depicted as a white cloak figure in the sword route (which is also based on the prophecy)||

[signal grail]

||isnt it only ramb who petrifies||

[signal grail]

||the prophecy is lost in the light world but the dark world prophecy is incredibly precise and exact at multiple points||

[prisma zealot]

||nope||

[karmic elm]

||the sword route is talking about weird route though so||

[signal grail]

||with things like toothpaste boy, the lonely prince, "jockington grows the beard"||

[karmic elm]

||"the forbidden path began with ice magic||

[clear sparrow]

||nope, c3 has a darkner next to a pippins who says he hopes the pippins wont turn to stone, since he wouldnt know what to do then, but later on he's the one that turns into stone while the pippins is fine. C4 also has a crap ton of statued darkners.||

[karmic elm]

i dont think its something different lol

the whole route js supposed to show

||kris beating noelle into submission and the berdly freezing and then them being used up as tools, almost like its just a prophecy||

[signal grail]

i see i dont remember that

||i know about the c4 darkners though, they unpetrify when susie makes the dark world||

[somber ember]

Hmm, cool theory!
||However, I disagree that the church prophecy depicts the weird route.

To even get the route you need to go out of your way to make your choices matter, it is highly specific and feels like breaking the game. Additionally, Ralsei is generally quite confused in this route and by your behaviour.||

[broken solstice]

||dragon blazers, in-universe game based on prophency, has its own "evil route", so lukely some mentions of weitd route in original prophency exist too||

[weary granite]

||Yes but even then the prophecy is intentionally vague in many points and in some instances is meant to be ambigious||

||Jockington may grow a beard but for all we know he grows a furball named beard and tapes it on his mouth||

[broken solstice]

btw if yall havent tried out Expedition 33, I really reccomend it. Just finished the game and its (kinda) similar to Deltarune in lots of aspects while being a genuine masterpiece

[clear sparrow]

||so yeah i think the prophecy for the second hero is actually noelle||

[karmic elm]

i just explained to you how it wouldn't be 😭

cause your theory is based on something thats already set

[clear sparrow]

||why would it show susie with a sword||

[weary granite]

||Imo, it still definitely fits

The weird route just changes which characters play a significant part in the prophecy, instead of the vessel being a core component, the new vessel is Noelle and we very clearly see that in the weird route with the heart slowly manifesting in her, the prophecy is still playing out, but the players and choices are different||

||Our choices may not matter, but the characters in the stories choices do matter, I have a feeling the weird route forces one of those characters to make our choices for us...in this instance its Noelle....||

[signal grail]

||this dialogue from gerson makes it more likely that its susie||

[karmic elm]

sorry this is really fetching far 😭

[signal grail]

||shes close friends with kris, she also uses a melee weapon while noelle only has rings and magic in playable areas||

[somber ember]

||However, note that the prophesy order is a bit messed up in the second sanctuary, the whole dark world susie creates is messed up from the original|| (ch4)

[weary granite]

We'll we dont really know much else, its fun to theorize like this

[broken solstice]

||overwrite could also mean going agains the prophency, something very Susie-like||

[karmic elm]

yeah :3

[clear sparrow]

||susie cant use swords, noelle can. Also again susie is separate in the prophecy, she's the last.||

||like, she cant be both second and last.||

[weary granite]

||The whole prophecy thing feels like its just meant to screw with us||

[clear sparrow]

||i think the prophecy was broken the moment susie appeared smh /silly||

[weary granite]

||Me when the prophecy was supposed to be a completely different cast of people (Barney screwed it all up)||

[clear sparrow]

||no one else gets two separate prophecy pictures too.. it just feels weird if it is meant to be her.||

[somber ember]

Berdly is the main character 🔥

[karmic elm]

fuck berdly all my homies hate berdly

[signal grail]

||that doesnt have to mean last in the prophecy, it could mean shes the last person standing (which is also the most common thing in the roaring knight fight). thats also the icon used when a teammate is ACTing so its almost certainly combat related||

nuh uh

i ❤️ berdly

[somber ember]

Then we must be enemies... /silly /j

[karmic elm]

im with queen on the berdly stance

its so COLD

[clear sparrow]

so true

[karmic elm]

3 celcius

[heady fossil]

Hell yea preach🗣️ 🔥

[clear sparrow]

theres nothing wrong with him he's just annoying

[weary granite]

||Kerdly is the best ship, confirmed by Toby||

[karmic elm]

||i think noelle is outside ||

[signal grail]

i think hes annoying but he also has gifted kid syndrome which is kind of debilitating

[clear sparrow]

run

[karmic elm]

🧊

[karmic elm]

i think youre lyn

[clear sparrow]

||oh boy, i sure do hope this doesnt mean the undertale's kind of LOVE!/silly||

[somber ember]

Peak (ch4)

[weary granite]

I think Berdly is great, A bit annoying but doing the weird route I know he is very loyal to his friends

||ALSO Berdly is going with Kris to the Festival yassss ||

[karmic elm]

human.. i think youre berdly..

[clear sparrow]

||WHAT NOOOO||

[broken solstice]

Burgley is the best character outside of fun gang tbh

[weary granite]

||He is so lost in love....

Actually no it may be the lack of oxygen after Noelle choked him to near death||

[somber ember]

I gave peakly a plushie 🥹

[weary granite]

Berdly deserves it

I bet you thats the only thing in his fucking room too LOL

[signal grail]

||when kris is alone during the neo fight they have to ACT and ask for help from another player where noelle shows up. so its probable in the normal route this is where noelle would come to help susie instead, it also parallels SAVE during undertales asriel fight where you have no option but to "act" when youre alone for help||

||idk how this would slot into susies reaction to the end of the prophecy though||

[karmic elm]

ch3

[broken solstice]

||last page of prophency is funny bone man befriending your mother||

[clear sparrow]

||is there any confirmation on if sword route is based on the prophecy||

[karmic elm]

when you mean that

wdym

||what is "sword route"||

cause i alr told you the ch3 secret ||game is just referencing weird route||

[clear sparrow]

||c3 secret path to theee shadow mantle||

||i thought it had to be based on the prophecy cause like, how else would they know about the snowgrave stuff.||

[karmic elm]

thats literally how i found out about weird route

i didnt know it existed until that

[clear sparrow]

||did they make the videogame after you did chapter 2 and copied all of that if its not prophecized ||

[karmic elm]

whatever it is tenna is aware cause he tries to stop the player from going there

so its probably based on prophecy

im getting lazy with my spoilers sorry

[clear sparrow]

||if snowgrave is part of the prophecy then thats sure interesting, cause thats actually one of the few things you CAN change and not do.||

[karmic elm]

i need to go sleel

its 3am

[signal grail]

its probably something prophecy related toriel has in the house

[broken solstice]

I really wish that, if ||resetting and trying chaptsr from the start becomes a basic thing for weird route / secret hunting||, all shadow crystals and importmant stuff should be ported over when starting from fresh save mid-game

[signal grail]

thats already a feature i think

[clear sparrow]

||ralsei would never let us see any of the snowgrave parts if they were in the prophecy obviously, so its possible.||

[signal grail]

well the shadow crystals are

[broken solstice]

||it functions weirdly. Like you can only port 1 shadow crystal at the time||

[clear sparrow]

||so yeah if snowgrave stuff is part of the prophecy then i believe in the prophecy being unbreakable even less||

[clear sparrow]

||UNLESS, all that happens in snowgrave is bound to happen eventually, we're just making it happen earlier.||

||when you break a prophecy it will always appear somewhere else ||

[signal grail]

||i think its more like the prophecy requires certain story beats to be met but how you get there can be in any number of ways||

[broken solstice]

||I think prophency can be broken. Like Ralsei said something about how they didnt think winning against a Titan (mythical creature they only heard about in the prophency) was even possible||

[signal grail]

||whether you spare or kill every enemy doesnt change anything between chapter 1 and 4, nor does the prophecy change in any way during the weird route||

[broken solstice]

||it does change a few things in ch4 near the end, and also Tenna gets permanently broken in light world if you dont recruit stuff||

[signal grail]

||the same story beats are met is what i mean||

||chaos king is always usurped, queen always learns about the roaring and joins the castle town, knight always fucks with you at the end of chapter 3 and the prophecy remains unchanged in chapter 4||

[broken solstice]

||honestly in Weird Route, we lose a character completely, that may play a role in future. And also Kris is definitely not just an enemy due to different goals, but rather directly hates us in Weird Route. And uhh Noelle, someone pretty importmant too, is completely different person in Weird Route||

[signal grail]

||the stuff gerson says in chapter 4 also makes me feel more like hes saying its important to find your own path to point b, not that you can go to point c instead||

[broken solstice]

||doesnt he literally say that Susie should overwrite what is basically a mirror to the prophency||

[clear sparrow]

||i cant really call Kris evil or bad because they have so much character and the player just being there makes their life actual hell, even if we never do weird route, but them continuing to work for the roaring knight (or maybe for someone else who's even higher in status than the knight) while KNOWING about the roaring is kinda fucked.||

[blissful ivy]

but ||your taking too long||!!

[clear sparrow]

||queen wants to make more dark fountains but stops immediately when she finds out that it'd end the world lol.||

[signal grail]

||But... there is one thing that can overwrite the dark.||
||A white pen, known as hope.||
||Miss! I believe... this is what you hold.||

[broken solstice]

||Kris doesnt feel evil, there is just a conflict of interest between us and Kris. ||

[clear sparrow]

||i know theres alot of stuff about Kris and the whole conspiracy thing going on that we just dont know yet but from what we know so far Kris is risking ending the world for... whatever reason.||

[signal grail]

||i doubt there are going to be any blatantly evil characters except for maybe the soul during snowgrave like in genocide||

[clear sparrow]

||i guess theres a possibility they're kinda forced into it, the c4 ending phone voice says they promised something.||

[signal grail]

||it seems likely to me the promise kris made was to save dess from whatever happened to her and thats why they and the knight have a kind of mutual respect||

[clear sparrow]

||i think everyone who's working for the knight is misled and just want to fulfil their own interests ||

||its just that Kris knows about the roaring while everyone else who helps the knight might not (like Carol possibly.)||

[weary granite]

||Yeah, imo thats what it seems like since Kris from the looks of things is already thinking of bailing out||

[signal grail]

||carol clearly helped imprison dess in the shelter which is a dark world which means she and whoever else was there would almost certainly know about the roaring either from going to church or making a church dark world on their own time||

[broken solstice]

Chapter 5 spoilers ||I really liked the part where Kris heel hooked Dess and made her missing again, and then teamed up with us to murder the mother befriender. Most emotional moment in the game undoubtably||

[signal grail]

||ralsei probably has so much knowledge about the prophecy (and general things within the dark worlds) because of being close with a lightner who talked or heard about it often, there have to be people in the light world who are aware of it||

[weary granite]

||I didnt like when Asgore got mega teamed up against us and the befriender though, the status for Asgore showing a clown image didnt help || (Ch5 soilers)

[clear sparrow]

||do you think Carol is aware of the Soul||

[signal grail]

yes

[weary granite]

Yeah

[prisma zealot]

YOU

[clear sparrow]

||her saying "YOU" in full red are always welcome here made me think tha||

[signal grail]

||it seems like she directly addresses the soul with the red YOU||

[weary granite]

Especially that ||Side Remark Carol gave Kris at the end, it definitely seems the Knight crew knows about it (and Susie is getting suspicious about it)||

[clear sparrow]

||its fucked up shes like the only person who knows, besides Kris i guess.||

||she also collects pillows of red hearts if that matters||

[signal grail]

||catti probably knows something about it tbh, theres dialogue that says catti and kris "tried to summon a demon" when they were kids||

[weary granite]

||If it makes you feel better....At least Berdly will help reassure Kris next chapter!!!! ||

[clear sparrow]

||honestly i think Susie would figure it out by now if she had known Kris before the soul appeared.||

||Noelle starts to suspect something in the weird route in c2, and in the normal route in c4.||

[signal grail]

||catti also has dialogue where she says she'll hex you if you hurt noelle meaning she either is aware of snowgrave in some way or is generally suspicious of what kris could be capable of, i doubt she would think normal no soul kris would hurt noelle when they grew up together||

[weary granite]

||I think she understands theres more to it, but imo she definitely doesnt understand its implications just yet, its definitely a case of her finding out slowly

I do think Ralsei knows completely about it though||

[broken solstice]

||Noelle seems to have figured it out too||

[weary granite]

||Noelle seems to be under its influence from how the weird route played out||

[clear sparrow]

||oh yeah he definitely knows, he constantly makes us pan away to a different scene.||

[signal grail]

||ralsei 100% knows, he talks to kris during every "close your eyes and think about susie" scene and seemingly knows that doing so transports the soul away for whatever reason||

[weary granite]

||And almost always from how it sounds, Ralsei is telling Kris something we arent supposed to know yet||

[clear sparrow]

||ralsei talking to kris is fucked up though what are they talking about||

[modern galleon]

||The soul is invisible to people other than Kris right?||

[clear sparrow]

||/silly i know he's probably just comforting Kris i doubt they're talking about anything big||

[broken solstice]

||Also Susie saw a prophency calling Kris a cage, and showing the soul. While they joked about it, they prob didnt take it as a joke too||

[clear sparrow]

||we dont know, the soul can move physical objects in the real world.||

||what do you do if you turn around and you see this ❤️ floating in the middle of your room||

[modern galleon]

||Noelle seems to ignore the soul entirely even if you pop into her room in ch4 weird route cut scene||

[weary granite]

||Also, on that topic of comfort, Kris is unironically going through some really big mental challenges, the whole chapter 4 storyline just feels like Kris is really started to lash out far more (Sans dancing with Drunk Toriel would be a reasonable crashout tbh)||

[clear sparrow]

||have you seen the scene where kris goess offscreen and plays piano||

[broken solstice]

what

[weary granite]

||YES, ITS SO GOOD!!||

[clear sparrow]

||its so good it really made me feel bad for Kris||

[weary granite]

||If you have already been re locked up in the room and go back to the kitchen, Kris plays the piano at the end of it||

[clear sparrow]

||ironically, the soul is taking all the soul from their life ||

[weary granite]

Oh also, ||Yall saw Asgores dialogue? Its almost entirely confirmed hes playing a significant role next chapter (and Gerson's future speak also predicts it)||

[modern galleon]

||Don’t get why Kris needs to be the cage that contains the soul||

[clear sparrow]

||yeah, i initially thought it meant he had a black shard himself, but it could also mean he just found Carol's black shard and is starting to figure stuff out.||

[weary granite]

||I cant wait for Asgore to kill Sans ||

[modern galleon]

||They already tried locking it up in the toy cage and it works fine||

[broken solstice]

||praying that you can help Asgore by kindly showing Sans a way to the local purgatory||

[signal grail]

||she has her eyes closed, kris will grab noelle and run out of the room if you dont put the soul in kris quickly enough probably so noelle wont see it||

[modern galleon]

||Unless they’re really bad at dodging attacks and we’re here just for that||

[signal grail]

||theyre shown to be very sluggish and weak without the soul, they also cant seal fountains without the soul||

[broken solstice]

||soul can close fountains, do the light thing in ch4, and possibly more. At very least Kris and whoever they talked to by phone view the soul as a tool||

[clear sparrow]

||the soul is the only thing that can fight dark beings like titans and titan spawn it seems, so uh, yeah its interesting. it puts the whole plan to risk if anything||

[weary granite]

||Imo, from how his story is shown, he was very much framed for something.... My far shot theory is that he fought Dess or whoever the roaring knight trying to protect others, which is how he got the black shard, and then he was framed as trying to kill someone

I cant imagine Toriel would cause a break up if he simply couldnt find Dess...theres far more to the story||

[clear sparrow]

||oh i forgot gerson yeah he can solo the titans too ||

[hardy marsh]

||Oh woah i didn't know that if you fight Queen instead of freeing Berdley he gets his arm toasted, lol if so he appears in the hospital on chapter 4
Neat||

[signal grail]

if kris could completely rid themself of the soul after chapter 2 snowgrave they absolutely would

[modern galleon]

||True. But I kinda suspect that it’s the side effect of being the cage rather than something Kris is born with||

[broken solstice]

||doesnt Gerson need a way to actually damage them from inside||

[signal grail]

||its based on how you finish his second fight with noelle iirc||

[hardy marsh]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[clear sparrow]

||oh true i guess, but dude managed to break the titan's shield with pure power.||

[weary granite]

||Kris at the very least has a reason and most likely a goal to keep it if its not a permanent thing||

[hardy marsh]

lol cool anyway

[broken solstice]

||coma in Snowgrave, arm broken if hurting them during Queen fight, and normal otherwise||

[hardy marsh]

Now i'm confused

||how does he get his arm broken lol||

[broken solstice]

You know the plug Queen placed on his head to control him during Queen fight? Yeah, if you dont unplug it yourself, he, uh, rips it from his face himself and fries his hand

[modern galleon]

||What? How do you not hurt Berdley||

[clear sparrow]

||spare him???||

[modern galleon]

||I did the fight ACT only and he still ended up with a broken hand||

[signal grail]

||you can spare him in both of his previous fights||

[hardy marsh]

Okay so i was half right

[hardy marsh]

I see i see

[modern galleon]

||If I recall correctly he got his arm toasted trying to pull off the werewire plug||

[broken solstice]

||I really wish breaking an arm / snowgrave was done on Sans and not Burghley||

[signal grail]

😭

what did sans even do

[modern galleon]

||Sans stans will be furious||

[broken solstice]

||ch4||

[signal grail]

its basically identical to undertale

[broken solstice]

Nah. Its much worse here imo

[weary granite]

||People just dont like how Sans is portrayed in this chapter

It fits Sans but he is very much a huge jackass||

[signal grail]

the noise is bad but thats just as much toriels fault

[clear sparrow]

||its funny to think sans probably gets more sprites at the end of c4 than in the entirety of undertale||

[weary granite]

||Yeah, but both are still pretty guilty, Imo Toriel especially cause it just feels so unlike her (though we know she was an alcoholic in Undertale)||

[signal grail]

unless we get context in the next chapter

[modern galleon]

||I can’t see why||

||What makes him a jackass? Dancing with Toriel?||

[clear sparrow]

||sans and asgore will fight in c5🔥, the vast garden is charred in an inferno of jealousy /silly||

[broken solstice]

||Susie and Kris are returning from a trauma-inducing parralel world warzone thing, then cut to Sans befriending Kri's mom while drunk during it. And also they literally just got here into the town a few days ago ajd spent each day trolling Kris with nothing redeemable from their perspective||

[weary granite]

||Its just very tone deaf compared to how the chapter was portrayed (which seems to have been the point)

The fun gang all almost died and the world almost ended and they come back to the person who they were supposed to save, safe at home, and drunk

It disgusted Susie a lot from how she reacted (and judging by how she described her own home life, its something see resonated with in a bad way)||

[modern galleon]

||I mean… They have no idea what happened in the dark world||

[weary granite]

||That doesnt really matter in this case, Sans may not know better but the other characters still feel betrayed and just disgusted||

[clear sparrow]

||feeling betrayed and disgusted is just weird imo lol||

||sans had nothing to do with this he's just chilling||

[weary granite]

||Wording choice may not be perfect but Susie and Kris were not feeling well from that interaction, both are still very much at unease about it||

[clear sparrow]

||like sure i can get feeling annoyed by him if you were kris or susie (i sure wouldnt want to hear toriel and sans sharing 20 billion puns) but i wouldnt get mad at him||

[modern galleon]

||In Kris’s perspective, the disappointment or whatever negativity is justified imo. But I do think this is not the reason for the player to hate either Toriel or Sans ||

[clear sparrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/291184728944410624/1376202657865273374/dancing_fungus.gif

[broken solstice]

||We know Kris likes, or is at least in good terms with Asgore. Toriel befriending Sans after the divorce could be a salt to the wound. And with Susie it could remind her of her past life with family||

[modern galleon]

||From the latter two’s perspective, Kris just head back home from god knows where and they have no idea they saved the world and almost died||

[weary granite]

||A lot of people would relate to it, people really hate characters that they relate too in an irl sense rather than stereotypical bad guys, people resonate it cause many people dealt with divorce and their parents bringing in new people, that alone made Sans more unlikeable, not just including him being a jokester||

[broken solstice]

The only worse thing than being a bad guy in some fiction is being the annoying / disrespectful one

[weary granite]

Very much so

This is 100% a case of that

[clear sparrow]

||i hate that one dialogue in deltarune where monster kid asks Kris how it feels to be made of blood implying monsters dont have blood||

||and then theres, Susie bleeding in c4 lol ||

||what does this mea||

||did Toby forgor this isnt undertale for that one dialogue||

[broken solstice]

Schodringers blood

[weary granite]

||Imo, probably just a misinformed kid, if Susie bleeds I dont doubt others will too||

[clear sparrow]

||local kid forgets he has blood||

[weary granite]

||Also kid is literally a rabbit, he definitely has blood LOL

Also Kris in that very same chapter shows he bleed so humans have blood confirmed?!?!? /silly||

[broken solstice]

Susie also says "everyone bleeds, right?" In first chapter

[clear sparrow]

i dont doubt monsters bleed in deltarune but that one dialogue is weird

[weary granite]

Oh yeah exactly, rabbit kid also mentions the blood thing first chapter lol

[weary granite]

I probably wouldnt look too into it

Here, if that dialogue becomes relevant I'll eat another sheet of paper

[modern galleon]

Yeah I can see why. Dunno what to say cuz I can’t really relate. But I still feel like the hate is kinda overboard.

[clear sparrow]

Susie is just built different lmao

"everyone bleeds, right?" no Susie you're just built different

[weary granite]

Its the fandom of course its gonna be overblown

[weary granite]

Susie half human confirmed?!?!?

[clear sparrow]

susie is kinda becoming the main character though

[weary granite]

Prophecy saying "one human, one monster" was just talking about Susie the entire time?!?!?!?

[signal grail]

she has always been the main character

[weary granite]

Already has after ch1 tbh

However

[clear sparrow]

i forgor if she did anything significant in ch2

[modern galleon]

Monsters turns into ashe when they die but I’m not sure if it is proven that monsters don’t bleed at all.

[weary granite]

||Imo, the weird route, Susie feels like they are being fazed out||

[signal grail]

she unlocks s r and n-action

[clear sparrow]

oh true i guess

Susie casually breaks the rules of deltarune

[signal grail]

she also goes on her own path with ralsei to learn healing completely taking the option away from kris

you would think kris being the playable character would be the one to learn magic

[clear sparrow]

I HATE YOU KRIS WHY DONT YOU HAVE ANY COOL SPELLS

[weary granite]

How do yall feel about it? Idk why but Weird route very much feels like its a pivot from the fun gang

[signal grail]

real

[modern galleon]

Susie is the one making the most choices on her own somehow

[signal grail]

lancer fan club*

[clear sparrow]

i honestly hope we get some new spell in c5

[modern galleon]

Being magic-less is nice sometimes

[clear sparrow]

because im getting bored of the only 2 spells being rude buster , pacify and heal prayer

[prisma zealot]

the $!$? squad

[clear sparrow]

oh and also susie heal spell

[modern galleon]

Cuz you can use high def/attack low magic items

||like Tenna tie||

[signal grail]

susie doesnt do much in chapter 3 until ||the end where shes the only one to talk to the knight, deals the most damage to the knight and talks about kris and ralsei as if theyre secondary to her (in a narrative sense, not egoist). she also stops the knight from abducting toriel despite being injured||

[modern galleon]

||being using that on Kris since||

[signal grail]

the whole game is screaming as loud as it possibly can that susie is the protagonist

[clear sparrow]

im not arguing i agre e

[signal grail]

e

[modern galleon]

||she was farming points for ya the entire time tho||

[weary granite]

Im agre

[clear sparrow]

you're asgore?

[signal grail]

true forgot about that

except for the ||rhythm game 👹||

[modern galleon]

||and she decided to mess with the controllers ||

[clear sparrow]

||i made her stinky for that||

[signal grail]

LOL

[clear sparrow]

unbathes you

[signal grail]

||the first 2 timed i played the chapter i gave her the bow and she got mad at me so i thought she would be excited about being made stinky but her reaction was the same 😭||

[weary granite]

||During the Tenna fight and onward she actually starts to help||

[signal grail]

||missed opportunity to make her proud you gave her character the stink||

[clear sparrow]

||oh yeah i jus realised the reason kris doesnt deal much damage to the knight is because they probably dont want to, Kris only deals more dmg when Susie and Ralsei get beaten down.||

[signal grail]

✅

i noticed that pretty quickly too

[weary granite]

||She says the same if you give the Ribbon||

[signal grail]

yeah i said that

[clear sparrow]

||missed opportunity to make you able to throw kris or ralsei (the ingame characters) on top of the items||

[modern galleon]

||It’s probably cuz Kris knows how it would play out and just pretends to fight||

[clear sparrow]

||gives ralsei the stink||

[signal grail]

true

||its also worth noting kris does like 3x the damage to tenna than the other characters which is insane||

[clear sparrow]

||WHY DOES KRIS HATE HIM SO MUCH||

[signal grail]

idek

[clear sparrow]

||what did the tv do to you...damn...||

||okay he IS keeping toriel in a big hamster ball.||

[clear sparrow]

||not hamster ball i dont care how its actually called||

[signal grail]

||one of those gotchy balls||

[clear sparrow]

gotchy balls

[modern galleon]

||they have no problem with the knight abducting Toriel tho||

[signal grail]

||susie knowing about gacha but not what it is is so funny LOL||

[weary granite]

||Kris hates Tenna btw, does the most damage to it

My assumption is cause Tenna reminds him of good times and it makes him angry, since the whole divorce thing happened||

[weary granite]

Also I mean it when I say MOST cause they do 500 damage per hit

[modern galleon]

||Plus this dark world is literally their house. I don’t see how bad it can go||

[clear sparrow]

||or because he keeps toriel locked up||

||honestly , Tenna doesnt even know about the knight does he?||

||i dont remember him ever mentioning anything like that||

[modern galleon]

||My personal theory is that Tenna keeping Kris in the gatcha ball earlier pissed them off||

[signal grail]

i dont think he does

[signal grail]

||susie was way more visibly mad about it||

[weary granite]

||He talked to Spamton instead, definitely aint got a clue, Knight never got to him||

[clear sparrow]

||also wasnt kidnapping toriel part of the plan or whatever or am i hallucinating||

[weary granite]

Probably both tbh

[modern galleon]

||Susie uses full strength on everyone anyways||

[weary granite]

||Yes, the door was open most likely so the Knight could get in and get out as fast as possible (I assume)||

[clear sparrow]

||Kris lets their adoptive mother get kidnapped ||

[modern galleon]

||Kris is the only person hiding their strength I believe||

[weary granite]

Tbh now that I think about it, ||Kris already had intentions to kidnap Toriel, I dont think he minds this as much||

[signal grail]

||i feel like it has to be to allow dess to be freed bc i have no idea what other motivation they could possibly have||

[clear sparrow]

||well, that failed, the knight is going to sacrifice undyne now!!!||

||police... sacrifice.... something blah blah the phone said||

[weary granite]

||I think Undyne being kidnapped was part of the plan already, maybe it was meant to be a double kidnap||

[modern galleon]

||Maybe it’s not actually “sacrifice the police”||

[weary granite]

||"Police.....sacrificed....next week"||

[weary granite]

||Idk, it very much could be, getting stronger is a big part of the weird route||

[clear sparrow]

||i think thats a troll from toby though i dont think this is actually going to happen, we only hear some separate words with big gaps in between them ||

[weary granite]

||Its a week from the story, irl time thats literal decades||

[clear sparrow]

||i dont believe Kris would ever let that happen so i think we're just missing context||

||kris wouldnt do that, right ||

[modern galleon]

||The three elements, pine, badge, and deltarune represent people of the Holiday family, the police, and the church. Carol clearly knows and is on board and not sacrificed. The rest two (Undyne from the police station and Toriel from the church) will probably, at least, be reasoned with and convinced if possible.)||

[weary granite]

||At this point....we dont know enough about Kriss to tell....||

[weary granite]

||You know, funny thing about those three is that Asgore fits all 3 lol

Former cop, Surrogate family member of the holidays, and prays in the church at night constantly||

||I dont think its him, but its funny it all fits to him||

[modern galleon]

||Yeah but problem is Asgore probably don’t have the access of what’s hiding in the three places rn||

||or what knowledge the knight currently needs||

[weary granite]

||WAIT

THIS IS ALL AN ELABORATE PLOY TO GET TORIEL AND ASGORE BACK TOGETHER!!! /SILLY||

IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!!

[modern galleon]

[broken solstice]

hello scp chat

[weary granite]

||Honestly, we dont have much information atm to tell

He very clearly knows farrr more than he lets on||

[modern galleon]

This is worse than scp

[weary granite]

"THE ROARING" is just the point where they almost divorce again!

The ||Great sacrifice|| is just them filing the paperwork!!!

[clear sparrow]

meow

why the fuck

cant i send an image

i wanted to send some datamined room thing and it wont send

[broken solstice]

discord outage 🥹

[clear sparrow]

is wd gaster upon me

[modern galleon]

||True. I wouldn’t be surprised if he shows up in later chapters to save the day, and claims that he was playing dumb to gather intel the whole time||

[broken solstice]

Wing Gaster is always listening

[clear sparrow]

y face when it didnt spooil

[modern galleon]

Oh I think I saw this on a video

I thought it was an easter egg or something so I didn’t pay attention

[clear sparrow]

||room where asgore talks about the black shard (normally cant see this much of it ingame without datamining||

dude i hate discord outages

[broken solstice]

||cool sword||

[weary granite]

Imo, ||Hes a secret boss, Gerson talks about how chapter 5 has "a vast garden charred is charred in an inferno of jealousy" and also "the flowers are of pink and yellow"

Him also holding a dark shard (same as the one after winning the knight fight may indicate he also knows something about what happened and about the whole freedom thing||

[clear sparrow]

||i dont think the sword is the black shard but its interesting how asgore stands right in front of it when he talks about the black shard lol||

[weary granite]

Also, ||all the secret bosses were predicted in a previous chapter, and a prophecy mural showed Asgore as boss3||

[clear sparrow]

||wuh, what do you mean secret bosses were predicted||

||i havent seen any murals for jevil spamton knight or gerson (there is one for gerson but its unused i think)||

[weary granite]

||Every secret boss was predicted at some point in the previous chapters||

[clear sparrow]

||ough im stupid||

[weary granite]

Jevil is chapter 1

||Knight was told to us by Sean||

||He even directly talks about the shadow mantle||

Gimme a second I'll send the others

[clear sparrow]

||yeah Sean knows a metric fuck ton about the secret bosses||

||does he say anything interesting after you beat the knight?||

[weary granite]

||He talks about how the next boss is even more difficult if he is not holding back||

[weary granite]

||Oh and also he says we gave him hope||

[clear sparrow]

||ASGORE||

||oh wait no thats about gerson||

||too bad we cant talk to sean after beating gerson||

[clear sparrow]

||i think this hope came from Gerson meeting Susie||

[weary granite]

Its hard to find the dialogue while at work, I'll show you when I get back if I dont forgor

[clear sparrow]

||its funky how he can tell Susie is special in the gang from a first glance lol||

[weary granite]

Also holy hell my internet is dying

[weary granite]

||He definitely saw something, Its very nice

Gerson imo is the best secret boss bar none||

His music slaps too

[broken solstice]

||I just wish Gerson hit a bit harder, or lasted longer unless you are agressive. The fight felt a bit too easy, even without knowing any pattern you can just tank everything and win first try||

[clear sparrow]

||funny enough i died like 6 times on him, and 0 on jevil and 1 on spamton neo.||

[broken solstice]

||I died like not a single time 🥹 was suprised when he told me that I'd get the reward if I lost too lol||

[weary granite]

Very fair, ||His presentation and overall personality carried him

Also holy hell his hitboxes were generous||

[weary granite]

||Susie declines the reward if you fail, wanting to win||

[broken solstice]

oh

[weary granite]

||You get to retry||

[clear sparrow]

||Susie actually refuses to take the hammer and you get to rematch to get it for real||

[broken solstice]

lol

[clear sparrow]

||they shouldve added dialogue that trolls you for thinking the yellow arrows were going to switch sides||

[broken solstice]

||also Green Soul having parry(?) / perfect switch for tp mechanic was awesome||

||too sad you never get a real parry, like the one Kris did against fake gerson||

[weary granite]

||It would have been funny but I think they were that way was to make it easier for us to see with our outside vision since there are 6 sides now||

[weary granite]

||Just remember...theres a chance they bring it back

...and you can Only parry to stop the attack ||

||Gerson's fight feels like a test run tbh||

[clear sparrow]

||all things that give TP are also typically yellow.||

[weary granite]

||I know, but the yellow arrows feel like an accessibility thing||

[broken solstice]

||also how does parrying a hammer even work||

[weary granite]

You can do that?

[broken solstice]

||Kris does a parry in fake Gerson fight iirc||

[weary granite]

Oh wait you mean literally

[weary granite]

||With broken bones||

Thats how you do it

[broken solstice]

||its a giant slab of metal that is big in all dimensions and acts as a blunt weapon meant to counter armors, how the hell are you redirecting that with a polished surface||

[clear sparrow]

||Kris also intentionally coughs if you manage to no Hit the Knight||

[weary granite]

||It makes it seem like Kris is telling the Knight to stop messing around ||

[clear sparrow]

||Kris telling the knight to lock the fuck in ||

[weary granite]

Jinx, give me my damn soda!

[clear sparrow]

:pepsi:

[broken solstice]

||cant wait for ch7 lore drop where Kris is actually aware of save files and shit and dies inside each time you reset the fight after Roaring Knight beats you||

[weary granite]

[weary granite]

||Bro the gaster vs vessel fight is gonna be so peak

I cant wait for Noelle to make the thorn armor set with a +50 defense and then snowgraves all over the fountain||

[clear sparrow]

||wouldnt the thorn armor hurt you||

[broken solstice]

||chapter 7 where noelle just freezes the game||

[broken solstice]

apparently thorn ring cannot reduce you below 55 (LV in roman) health

[weary granite]

||Set bonus: +50 defense, increases the wearers magic

FATAL||

[clear sparrow]

||LOVE FINDS ITS WAY TO THE GIRL.||

[broken solstice]

||I wouldnt be suprised if the only reason prophency is constantly full caps is bc of Love vs LOVE||

[clear sparrow]

||I still think the second hero was meant to be Noelle||

[weary granite]

Gods I love its double meaning

||For the normal route, Noelle finds love with Susie Berdly

For the weird route, LOVE is Noelle's obsession||

[weary granite]

||I am curious as to how the other parts of this prophecy plays out, I am gonna be really happy if my interpretation is right

I understand that I am probably very off the mark tho ||

[weary granite]

I think its ambigious, well see tho

[gritty goblet]

ch4 spoiler

[clear sparrow]

this is accurate

[woven tulip]

||lancer still becomes stone though. it’s only ramb and one zapper who become stone too, later isn’t from kris’s house||

[woven tulip]

idk ||blackshard made titan comically easy ||

[woven tulip]

the ||speed boost is for the whole battle, you only lose 1 single move for speed that does help with fast attacks||

[woven tulip]

and it still has ||16 damage in the light world||

[woven tulip]

||killing your neighbor sand deltarune ||

[woven tulip]

||the legend is a summary of the prophecy by ralsei. and technically, the dark sanctuary prophecy never directly mentions ralsei either, just "the prince", we didn’t meet any other prince but who knows.

also, the church hymn of lightners is as well a summary of the same prophecy as the legend.||

[woven tulip]

only one

[weary granite]

||Two||

[woven tulip]

only ||in the sword route||

[weary granite]

||The second one is the festive one||

[weary granite]

||Both are reiterations of the same prophecy, told in different lenses, imo it feels very deliberate to make them so similar but so different as well||

[woven tulip]

||blackshard isn’t a sword, it’s a dagger 💔||

[weary granite]

||Noelle can hold the Festive sword and Twisted Sword||

||The black shard is a bonus||

[woven tulip]

funny how ||the prophecy mentions queen and tenna, but not king||

also what ||"roots" mean right before the egg room||

[mighty pagoda]

||the prophecy mentions lancer saying the words "toothpaste boy" I think, I forgot if it was lancer or not||

[weary granite]

Bro you cant just post a leak like that
(Jk)

[prisma zealot]

neigh

[prisma zealot]

||"the pointy-headed will say "toothpaste", and then "boy""|| ch 4

[gritty goblet]

this is canon

ch3 spoler

[signal grail]

||i wonder if malius will be able to fix the black shard into a full sword in chapter 5||

[prisma zealot]

||i dont think he has the mental capacity... he just learned what BREAD is, after all||

[signal grail]

||he says he can fix anything :3||

[woven tulip]

||it’s already the strongest weapon||

[weary granite]

||Imagine we take Asgores and make a proper sword with it :D||

[hasty sapphire]

||Just dual wield both shards, that's cooler||

[weary granite]

Nah Kris would never! They are just evil like that

[heady fossil]

*coughs in Kris is non-binary *

[weary granite]

I cant beliee that person made such a mistake

I'll make sure he is banned

[heady fossil]

Now you know

[weary granite]

I knew already Im just not good with pronouns

[heady fossil]

lol

Real

[mild hull]

YOU!!! 🫵

[rapid flame]

||asgores real plan all along get malius to fix his marriage||

[weary granite]

Huh what about me?

[mild hull]

ermmm I was just saying a pronoun

(you)

[weary granite]

I've been betrayed

[rapid flame]

how big do you think the ||black shard is||
||do you think it expands into a knife or something or is kris just slapping demons with a dangerous pebble||

[weary granite]

||Imo, probably holdable in the hand but not that big, its still basically a dagger in game so I doubt it would be much bigger in the normal world||

||If we go by that the weapon the knight uses is a Bat alternative, then its actual size probably doesnt change?||

[woven tulip]

technically, it’s only hinted, with only pronouns "they" confirmed, which may or may not mean that (because pronouns ≠ gender)

[heady fossil]

I'm smart

[woven tulip]

that’s why you use any?

[woven tulip]

it’s referred ||as a dagger||

[weary granite]

[meager hatch]

Guys the ||final boss of deltarune is homophobia|| /silly

[karmic elm]

my theory on it is that ||seam will be able to do something with the shard once we get 5 shadow crystals||

[uneven prism]

Chappy 4 big spoiler

[unreal gyro]

https://youtu.be/ofc2qKz2Uw0?si=BfOUU1hXnqBl5SH3

I made a funi
I'd appreciate it lots if it you checked it out ( ﾟ∀ﾟ)

[woven tulip]

i can’t believe we will be fighting toriel/j

[meager hatch]

||I was thinking of Carol being homophobic||

[woven tulip]

||because we will be fighting both, and sans ||

[meager hatch]

||Kris, I remember your gender identities...||

[woven tulip]

do y’all think it would be undertale fighting ui if kris decides to fight their neighbors

[meager hatch]

||local gender-neutral teen terrorizes neighbors||

[woven tulip]

||we will be fighting the knight in the light world in chapter 6 ||

[meager hatch]

[weary granite]

||I think Carol is setting her daughter up for something, I presume its to make her a sacrifical pawn for the prophecy and doesnt want Susie to interfere with it

It IS funny tho cause I said nearly the exact same thing when I was streaming the game to Mothington LOL

I cant beliee Carol is homophobic ||

[meager hatch]

||yeah carol is definitely up to smth||

[woven tulip]

it’s all a red herring

[weary granite]

||It very well could have been a red herring, but I also do believe Carol is on that prophecy high||

[weary granite]

Me when I catch a slightly red fish

[meager hatch]

||Possibly||
||but Carol gives off villain vibes to me ngl||

But im also kinda stupid

[weary granite]

Eh
||She just seems dead inside imo, she definitely seems like shes getting something||

[weary granite]

Nah your fine its good insight

[meager hatch]

||yeah she definitely doesn't seem very lively||
||having a missing and possibly dead daughter and a very sick husband as well as being the mayor probably isn't helping...||

[weary granite]

||Personally, I think the Knight crew arent trying to be evil, but instead are intentionally getting close to the prophecy to get what they need

Probably something relating to Dess, maybe save her?||

[meager hatch]

||yeah possibly||

[weary granite]

||Yeah, usually most people would be dead in the inside while dealing with that, the grief is immeasurable||

[meager hatch]

Yeah

[woven tulip]

i wonder why ||shadow mantle is in the shelter, in the game||

[weary granite]

||It seems to be an allegory for something

I have my theories but they are baseless and just me rambling

Oh speaking of rambling, Romb is the one protecting the secret mini game, and imo, she very much is meant to be the secret boss, but she wasnt given the shadow crystal in time||

[woven tulip]

||it seems like the shadow mantle is somehow related to the knight||

but also ||what are the friends, who the mantle summons? ralsei seems to know about them, one of them is at the end of a flashback||

[weary granite]

Something seems to be clear imo

||The secret mini games makes heavy implications of the snowgrave route, I think whatever the figure is has a lot of importance for that route||

Its also technically where you ||find out about the weird route||

[woven tulip]

||the friend also resembles an amalgam, endogeny. and have eyes colored like spamton’s glasses.

they seem somewhat significant for some reason ||

[weary granite]

||Pink and Yellow are signifcant, considering chapter 5 is going to be a garden based on them

Speaking off, yeah Pink and Yellow have a huge significance for some reason? I dont know why||

Maybe its related with the Freedom motif?

Why wouldnt Jevil have them?

[weary granite]

You know, ||a bit of a stretch, Gerson also has pink and yellow, their pink hair and then their yellow arrow attacks...||

Yeah goddamn its everywhere except ch1

[woven tulip]

||yellow is a color of names of enemies that can be spared, and pink is an alt color for this in undertale ||

[weary granite]

Just checked @woven tulip, ||Jevil has yellow eyes, no pink in sight

Even then, all the freedom motif bosses having those colors are intersting ||

[weary granite]

||Yeah, thats what I was thinking

Its ironic really...you cant spare any of them...||

[woven tulip]

||freedom motive also appears in mike’s mini game ||

||there is also the friend too, tbf||

[weary granite]

TROO!!!

[weary granite]

||Yeah, but for secret bosses specifically the whole yellow coloring (and also pink) being so prevalent, and the only other relation being the sparing color, is part of it||

Im curious, but hey I aint gonna know yet

[gaunt hamlet]

||gods Kris is actually really good at piano this is nice to listen to|| (ch4)

[finite phoenix]

||pink and yellow are i think just cat colors||

||spamton has them (they're cat element), the shadow guy has them for mike||
||image friend is used on some of the enemies spawned in the shadow mantle boss fight and it has yellow pink eyes||

[dapper axle]

Steve Harvey is my voice hc for tenna /srs

[oak snow]

Does chapter 3 have a weird route?

[nocturne mango]

iirc || - - - yes - ||