deltarune ch3-4 (soiler warning)

[heady fossil]

"Everybody is dancing!"

[somber skiff]

damn

[woven tulip]

but actually, it’s kinda funny that || starwalker|| appears other chapters and ||alters cutscenes||. like, it’s an obscure secret character from the first chapter, why specifically this

well at least 2 and 3, i didn’t play 4 yet to check it 💔

[glass lance]

well if you find it annoying i guess you could say

this starwalker is Pissing you off...

[pearl flint]

||evil route soilers (double spoilers )|| ||anyone know if anything else about the noelle house scene changed on the weird route aside from the one extra scene with noelle talking to kris|| (chapter 4 spoiler)

[woven tulip]

well, nah, it’s just funny. like, adding so many unique changes for a pretty hidden npc from almost the beginning of the game

i suppose "not as hidden", because nothing in games can be a secret on internet, but from ingame information, there is no hint for this

[somber skiff]

im here again

but this time

im not gon be pacifist

nvm i died

[woven tulip]

why would you play like this though

why not full game as one and then other

[reef imp]

I should replay chapters 1 and 2

[woven tulip]

when chapter 1.5

[reef imp]

Rn imo chapter 3 is peak deltarune but maybe i just gotta replay ch2

[woven tulip]

ch3 is obviously bigger than ch2

[pearl flint]

we are desperate for content

[reef imp]

yeah obviously
but by that logic 4 would be the best chapter, and i'd honestly rank it below 2

[woven tulip]

idk i didn’t play it

[reef imp]

You should!!

[woven tulip]

i know!

i need to complete something in 3rd

[somber skiff]

cuz i fully completed the first 4 chapters

[glass lance]

it's been like 3 days and half the fanbase already ran out of things to do

[prisma zealot]

i really liked chapter 4

from my favourite to least favourite id probably rate them 4-3-2-1

[woven tulip]

about ch3, ||it features a lot of mini games and cutscenes. which may not be everyone’s favorite decision |||

||i liked most of them, but at some times it could be argued it’s a bit too much though ||

[prisma zealot]

maybe switch around chapter 3 with 2
i like them both about the same

[prisma zealot]

yeah

[somber skiff]

ok im thinking of how to arrange my save files

so every chapter is gonna be:

• pacifist save
• evil save
• save right before the secret boss for practice

[woven tulip]

you can’t change their order wdym

[somber skiff]

you can copy saves

[woven tulip]

why do you need extra save for practice?

[somber skiff]

idk for fun

[woven tulip]

it’s not like attempts are limited

[somber skiff]

ok theres no reason i just wanna play the secret bosses whenever

[woven tulip]

forever torturing them by resetting the world

[somber skiff]

real

actually screw jevil i can get the shadow crystal from ch2 save anyways

[broken solstice]

||ch3 secret boss can also be done with only defending / healing, and doing so gives it like a few additional turns with the slow-bullets-with-entire-screen-filled-with-them Undying-like attack near the end||

[pearl flint]

||does it still end up giving you the blackshard?||

[broken solstice]

Yeah

wait nvm I confused ch3 boss with ||Gerson, my bad||

[somber skiff]

lmao?

[pearl flint]

that makes sense, i was wondering what was ||undyne-like about the knights attacks ||

[plain canyon]

||did yall know if you play the megalovania on the giant piano in deltarune chapter 4 tobyfox runs you over with his car|| minor chapter 4 spoilers

[somber skiff]

wut

of course toby fox added that into the game

[pearl flint]

||weird route stuff|| ||guess who just replayed the entire chapter on the normal route because i messed up the weird route at the start and didnt know||(chapter 4)

[somber skiff]

omg i love this guy he actually doesn't spoil the goddamn game with his thumbnails

[supple belfry]

||been thinking if the vessel is something we can use as another vessel in some other place if Kris removes our control again||

[heady fossil]

Deltarune? Where's my Deltajune at?

[opal grotto]

:3

Ive started chapter 4 technically but ||Im stuck doing the rhythm games. I like them||

[somber skiff]

damn

[opal grotto]

||I just got a killer combo Im never gonna get again in my life lmao||

[somber skiff]

||nah you should full combo the full song||

[opal grotto]

||Aint no way Im full comboing Its TV Time||

||Maybe Raise Up Your Bat||

[somber skiff]

||bro wtf toby why tf did you fill knock you down hard mode with jacks||

||I'm convinced toby just wanna make a rhythm game but don't wanna put deltarune on hold for like 2 more years||

||oh the scores are for it's tv time and raise up your bat respectively||

||anyways how do you get the coe to mike's room||

||wait nvm||

[somber skiff]

||Nah I was legit being so loud quietly||

||like it's 2am and toby fox want me to scream at the top of my lungs||

||ended up mashing keyboard mixed with sem-whisper semi-normal "AAAA"s||

anyways (||Knock you down Hard||)

||FCed Raise Up Your Bat Normal||

ok enough deltaruning

the past several screenshot were all ||delta rhythm gaming screenshots||

[karmic elm]

@hardy marsh ch3 spoilers but ||when I was playing that old version, in the last act there were some dialogues that said to follow the white cloak and that the forbidden path began with ice magic, which reminds me of noelle from chapter 2 because she matches both those things, so I have a feeling that my forbidden route will start in ch2 and her freezing stuff, because throughout the game thats what i got to do with her - it feels so unsettling though, and the snowy theme gets brought up a lot, it was even snowing in green room right before i did the secret encounter as well||

[hardy marsh]

Oh woah

You thought about all that on your own?

[karmic elm]

Also I have a theory on ||spamton, but the fact that both him and tenna know mike, and tenna has a little monologue at the end before the secret encounter about spamton (he doesnt mention him outright but he does implicitely mention phones ringing, being a big shot, ect, so I think spamton and tenna were both co-hosts on the show, since spamton does have the whole salesman vibe going on, so maybe he handled mid-show breaks||

[karmic elm]

Yeah, I still have no idea if any of it is correct but it's the best lead I have

[oblique lotus]

late ch 3

HER FACE ??

[hardy marsh]

Tell me if it works or if you think of something else

[karmic elm]

Will do :3

Gonna keep playing ch4 passively and get all recruits hehe

Really fun so far

Everything about this game is so peak (ive cried twice)

I'm gonna be so sad when i finish 4 because wdym I have to wait for more chapters 😭

[hardy marsh]

||hmmmm i honestly don't know, you are probably right but Who the hell is Mike, cause in that cutscene the 8bit Tenna acts as tho he was the Spamton cohost? but Spamton mentions Mike not Tenna||

[hardy marsh]

Chapter 3 was good but MAAAAAAAAAAAN chapter 4 was like GOD
so good

[karmic elm]

I'm so excited 🙏

ch4 spoilers ||im found all the cool little secret notes to unlock the axe area so im currently attempting to get it for susie but MAN is it tough 😭 ||

[hardy marsh]

||It is but what a banger lmao
Everything related to the old man made me tear up a bit lol||

||really good character||

||Mae just curious have you beaten the secret bosses in the first two chapters right?||

[karmic elm]

yep, found both of those, not too difficult to find :3

[karmic elm]

SO TRUE

🙏

[hardy marsh]

||What about chapter 3||

[heady fossil]

Rah so much spoiler tags I can't

[karmic elm]

yeah me having seen ||8bit tenna dialogue implies ive done the backstage route for the secret fight x3||

probably my favorite one so far just because of how unique it was

[hardy marsh]

||Yuh so you got the third Shadow Crystal??||

[karmic elm]

oh no

thats the weird part

||i got the holymantle, but it never gave me a crystal||

||darkmantle*||

i have isaac rot

[hardy marsh]

||AHHHhhh there is one, same happend to me i beat the chapter thinking there wasn't one||

[karmic elm]

so idk, i guess i just missed picking it up somewhere x3

[karmic elm]

sniffles

[hardy marsh]

Can't tell you how tho
you'll have to wait until you go do the 100%

but like dude how the hell were you suppose to figure that one out lol

[karmic elm]

😭

[hardy marsh]

i swear the third chapter was just hard and confusing for the shake of being hard

[karmic elm]

if i dont find it during my 2nd playthrough ill be sad </3

[hardy marsh]

Just make various save files

Just in case so you don't have to repeat the whole chapter

(learned that the hard way with chapter 3)

[karmic elm]

:3

[signal grail]

figure what out?

[signal grail]

do you want a hint

[karmic elm]

ch3 YIPPEEE

that was really awesome

[karmic elm]

mmmm

maybe once i get to that point next save and still dont have a clue

🙏

oh LOL ||hes the secret encounter||

||just got the crystal||

[signal grail]

it goes so hard right

[karmic elm]

so hard this chapter fucks

i love it

[hardy marsh]

Cry
The chapter

[hardy marsh]

Oh the ehhh

||how to get the third crystal, didn't know there was one at first, i have it now||

[signal grail]

it seemed really obvious to me honestly

but ||i did get one s rank my first playthrough and got to try the backstage game, i can see it being different for someone who didnt get any s ranks and doesnt have any clues||

[hardy marsh]

||Getting the Shadow mantle was easy, got that one straight, but since beating that didn't get me the crystal i asumed there wasn't one||

[hardy marsh]

||I mean
it's not like your avarage secret boss encounter, you wouldn't assume you could be able to obtain one THAT way||

[signal grail]

i did assume

[hardy marsh]

assume

yeah words whatever

[signal grail]

||obviously the fight is extremely hard but it IS still a fight, theres no reason to design and code attacks rather than a straight cutscene if theres nothing at the end of it||

[hardy marsh]

true

[karmic elm]

ch4 shit is about to get fucking real

[signal grail]

:3

[vivid verge]

so sad that ||friend inside me || isn't real

[gritty goblet]

those who know

[hardy marsh]

I don't get it

Xdddd

[gritty goblet]

ch3 spoiler but hehe funny

[signal grail]

😭

[hardy marsh]

:[

[gritty goblet]

huh

[hardy marsh]

What

Sad silly

[hushed raptor]

new favorite deltarune character move aside ralsei you’re being replaced /silly
(the knight design spoilers)

[signal grail]

my favourite fight easily

[hushed raptor]

REAL tho me and my brother gave up the fight halfway and just went on with the weird route lmao couldn’t beat them

[mild hull]

random thought about That Character that I had earlier and forgot to share
||I saw that when you select to see the knight in that one ralsei cutscene, it mentions that you see the knight taking of its "helmet" before kris forces you to see something else instead. I think that confirms that it:

• has a form that isnt just Black Crystal Being
• is someone the player might recognize||

||Dess knight feels pretty strong based on that, but it could be anyone really|| ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hardy marsh]

||Carol knight too maybe idk
The deer like horns kinda hint that too||

[hushed raptor]

||i think it’s dess. here’s why.
-baseball bat sword. who uses a baseball bat? dess.
-deer like horns. which family has those? noelles. who haven’t we seen yet? dess.
-could be carol but she doesn’t fit the vibe.||

||if the knight’s carol i’m gonna rage||

[mild hull]

||baseball bat sword feels weak to me. it isnt really shown in any way that looks particularly bat-y||

[mild hull]

||we can be fairly certain that carol is the one talking to kris on the phone, at least||

[hushed raptor]

||it’s only abat when they hold it upright||

[hardy marsh]

||If it's Dess then what the hell happend to her lol, how and where did she get those darkness like powers, like she literally morphs||

[hushed raptor]

gimme a min

[mild hull]

it's like.. ehh.. I can see it, I just don't think it's a 100% thing

[mild hull]

||Gaster'd||

[hushed raptor]

oh ty i was gonna find that image myself but couldn’t lol

[hardy marsh]

||100%
My mom won't be here until a couple hours, is suddenly there just after the phone called made it seen as tho the person talking was gona come help||

[hushed raptor]

||im still fairly sure the knight’s dess||

[hardy marsh]

Speaking of that

||What's with the Bird thing that was the big smile face gaster follower, acting so sus||

[hushed raptor]

i love how creature-like they are

[mild hull]

dunno what you're referring to actually

[hardy marsh]

Oh so like

||you know the Undertale gaster followers? the one that's not based on any Sprite and looks like a grey blob resembling a smile, and then in Deltarune it's this blue monster guy in the library, standing in the way of the books||

[nocturne mango]

||lets play baseball !!!!!!! kinda energy||

ill soiler it just in case

[hardy marsh]

||That one, on the new chapters it acts so weird, rambling random sentences also stands there when you go try and see Onion San||

[hardy marsh]

Just in case i'm not making any sense i mean this

[mild hull]

ye I figured it out once you described it 👍

[hardy marsh]

Ahhh okis ^^

[mild hull]

||did it do that thing people were theorizing where it moves back one bookshelf per chapter||

[hardy marsh]

Idk just felt off these chapters

[hardy marsh]

Yes i think it did

||You could only read two books i think now theres three||

[mild hull]

???

[hardy marsh]

||It repeats the same thing it said on chapter 1 about the books upstairs, then realizes it's already upstairs and kinda breaks ||

[hardy marsh]

Ah yes Friday night funkin
huh what

[mild hull]

#helper-hotspring-lounge message @versed urchin ||I've got a full pacifist save AND a full weird route save rockin atm, I recommend you get a weird route save 👌||

[versed urchin]

||but i dont want to be evil!!!!!!1 ||

||two open slots means i may aswell eventually though||

[mild hull]

||there's some crazy shit man||

[versed urchin]

||after i go back through pacifisting it again fighting the secret bosses i missed. atleast i managed to catch the one for c4 though||

[glacial cargo]

i dont wanna do weird route because i dont wanna be mean to noelle

[mild hull]

blame it on kris

[versed urchin]

thats like isnt it the other way around

it's (player-controlled shenanigannery) none of kris' fault!!! unless i missed plot somewhere

[mild hull]

yeah no it's entirely your fault as the playre

[versed urchin]

sigh. so evil

i cant believe kalum is actually MEAN and MORALLY DUBIOUS

[mild hull]

btw if you dont wanna do a weird route save yourself but ||wanna see said Crazy Shit, here's a video 🫴||

||https://youtu.be/rw-Kpv9SLWU?si=zqvPSzVExmg3rW8c|| (C4)

highly recommend just doing it yoself tho

[versed urchin]

soon™️

[glacial cargo]

this reads like a spamton line

[mild hull]

but the hyperlink wasnt blocked

[versed urchin]

born to be awesomsauce and niceburgers. forced to get all freaky routeful

[glacial cargo]

ohh true youre right

[versed urchin]

||Have you heard of Hyperlink Blocked?|| <-- c4

[glacial cargo]

im watching shayy do all chapters all bosses speedrun right now

[versed urchin]

||least convoluted organik dialogue|| <-- also c4

[mild hull]

live stuffs?

[glacial cargo]

yea

shayy speedruns undertale and deltarune

they're closing out AGDQ with this speedrun next month

SGDQ

[mild hull]

I havent watched any livestreams in sooo long

[glacial cargo]

not AGDQ

[heady fossil]

Hell yea chat I beat Spamton Neo

(On normal route)

[mild hull]

🙂

[heady fossil]

Ok how the hell did I first try giga queen when I first played but now I'm struggling

[versed urchin]

giga queen gave me a genuine run for my money i didnt expect her to be that hard

it took me like. 6 or 7 tries

[mild hull]

if you press "retire" when you lose it just progresses anyways lol

[glacial cargo]

it took me 2 tries to beat giga queen when i had to do her again cause i forgot to get completion data on my ch2 saves before the game came out

[mild hull]

(presumably because you "lose" either way)

[glacial cargo]

i really gotta go back and get the secret stuff in the new chapters i didnt get hardly any of it on my first playthrough

[versed urchin]

really????

[mild hull]

yeah I don't think it has any negative consequences whatsoever

I imagine it'd be speedrun-optimal

[versed urchin]

im washed..

curse my stubbornness

(<— really enjoyed the fight gameplay actually)

[mild hull]

stubborn people dont get to hear the sick game over track

[mild hull]

I have much experience with the NES punchout 😌

[glacial cargo]

Darkness Falls? or something else

[heady fossil]

Ok chat that's Chapter 2 complete! Saving chapter 3&4 for tomorrow

[mild hull]

probably

[versed urchin]

i don’t think i died even once during C2 outside of choosing that one joke option that just has you die outright

i forget what it actually was or the context but I know it was There. and my only exposure to the screen

[mild hull]

did you set a save to make getting weird route easier

🙂

[glacial cargo]

this track is way too good for only playing when you give up when you die

[mild hull]

doesnt it get replaced in chapter 2

[versed urchin]

too bad the ordinary game over track is awesome too

[glacial cargo]

i think so? i've literally never selected give up on the death screen

i know the track that plays when you die changes

[heady fossil]

Nope!

[heady fossil]

How many are there
The only one I know about is the Game Over screen where it asks if you wanna retry and what not

I'm too stubborn to take a break

Hey chat, without spoiling Chapter 3&4, is there anything I should be warned about/know about? (Like if doing only pacifist affects anything, or if a weird route save changes the game in any way)

Or bugs

[mild hull]

||id recommend doing weird route and normal on separate files if you have the time for it.||

otherwise, just play some deltarune 🙂

[heady fossil]

I definitely have the time, school is out

I'll work on it this week

But for now, consider this as my goodbye!

[karmic elm]

post ch4 spoilers - this is so fucking awesome im just meowing at everything 😭

theres some weird delay but im making it work

[versed urchin]

post ch4??

oh nevermind lol

[karmic elm]

my voice hurts but i did it :3

3 million meows

[chilly ridge]

i think my favorite part of all the new stuff is ||YOUR TAKING TOO LONG||

also every boss fight was so fun

||the roaring knight and gerson were both so fucking awesome||

||the knight took like 2 and a half hours for me though that one was really hard||

[signal grail]

||i loved the knight but it only took me like 20 minutes 😭😭 part of me wishes it were a little bit longer of a fight||

[gritty goblet]

||CAROL||

[gritty goblet]

||feels like the aurafarming is more of a dess thing but whatever i still think more likely to be carol||

[signal grail]

||carol knight feels incredibly unlikely to me||

||for one she doesnt have time to reach the church before you to stop you from closing the fountain like the knight does||

[plain canyon]

||tbh its either carol or dess||
||less likely to be carol||

[signal grail]

||the undyne and toriel kidnappings dont really have a sensical motive if carol is the knight too, she would already have all of the codes||

[chilly ridge]

||people that are good at deltarune scare me, the fight did make me better at the game tho||

[signal grail]

[chilly ridge]

||my largest issue was the attack that cuts the green box in half and the attack where you have to weave through the swords||

||mostly the cutting in half box thing idk why but when it did the diagonal cuts it was like impossible for me||

[signal grail]

||the diagonal is really hard but if you stay in the corner the safe spot is always directly in the corner or just moving a little to the side||

||on the slice attack its important to stay close to the edge so you have time to react to the projectiles||

[chilly ridge]

||i still beat it but i was literally 1 hp||

[signal grail]

3rd person ive seen that happen to

maybe it is scripted

||for the first sword attack look ahead of your soul rather than directly at it and make slow proactive movements||

[chilly ridge]

||i think i was one hit away after the attack brought me down to 1 hp, maybe it gives you that little grace hit||

[signal grail]

||the circle sword attack always has the same pattern so you just need to know the inputs for the safe areas||

[chilly ridge]

||yeah they were just so hard for me at first 😭 ||

||once i got good at the attack where you have to react to each sword based on the direction and stuff, that became my favorite attack cuz it made me feel cool||

||it definitely does the most damage so i died to that one alot||

||like the hugest roadblock was when he does it with the swords spinning around you, i think it took me an hour of no progress to make it past||

[signal grail]

||for that one i learned to start moving up or down before you actually see the red lines, then you can reactively press left/right||

||oh you mena the other one||

[chilly ridge]

||i wish i just knew what they were called but its the reaction time attack||

[signal grail]

||for that one its good to know you can move in any direction for the diagonal swords so you only have to pick the right direction for the vertical and horizontal ones, and you also only need to move right before the sword attacks so you dont accidentally corner yourself||

[chilly ridge]

||yeah i figured that out and it became so much easier||

||i was just moving all over the place which got me killed||

||i seriously think the hardest move is the move he does right after you get done with one of the sword hallways||

||where he uses like a million swords to cut everywhere at once||

||finding an opening felt like partially luck sometimes||

||oh yeah also i unfortunately went back to fight the knight after i finished chapter 4, so now i have two different saves with only one shadow crystal on each one lol||

[signal grail]

||usually theres a much bigger opening very close to the middle, you just have to react really quickly||

[chilly ridge]

||i had to be ultra locked in the whole fight it was nuts||

||i was kinda sad when beating him didnt seem to change anything at all besides give you weapon and the shadow crystal but those are still cool||

||i guess you dont really beat him at all anyway||

[signal grail]

||it would be way too early in the story to beat him for real||

||the 5 shadow crystals will likely affect an ending though||

[chilly ridge]

||i was thinking like what the hell will happen if i just kill em right now, but nah you dont lol||

[chilly ridge]

||ah shit i probably need to go back and get the chapter 1 and 2 ones||

||that probably means imma have to do an entire playthrough starting from chapter 1 again||

||if i want to get all the crystals that is||

[signal grail]

||yeah probably||

[chilly ridge]

||i didnt do chapter 1 or 2 cuz i had already seen em online but totally forgot about like||

||permenant progression||

||aw well||

[signal grail]

||they drop useful items too :3||

[gritty goblet]

||ch4 started off with a BANG on my snowgrave snowsave...||

[chilly ridge]

||also for some reason i expected chapter 4 to be like short? It completely blew me away it is my favorite chapter now||

||i need to watch the new snowgrave stuff for the new content||

||im not doing a snowgrave playthrough i know that||

[signal grail]

||its my favourite too it goes so hard||

[chilly ridge]

||i did NOT expect to fight a titan||

[mighty pagoda]

||hi may I have a reminder on how to do snowgrave route|| (ch2)

[signal grail]

||when you meet noelle during chapter 2 make noelle kill EVERY enemy with iceshock. there are enemies backtracking from where you meet her up to spamtons shop, you have to get those too||

||dont do any of the puzzles, say proceed at every possibility, and dont forget to get the snowring from the addison near the ferris wheel poster + thornring from spamton in the dumpster||

[mighty pagoda]

[chilly ridge]

||i also love chapter 3 so much for adding the creepypasta retro stuff to get the shadow mantle||

||getting the ice key gave me shivers cuz i immediately knew what it meant||

[signal grail]

||i LOVE the hints that part of the game gives towards how you do the snowgrave route too, then its followed by ralsei telling you he thought the prophecy could be changed at the end of chapter 4. its such a strong incentive to try something different and then see if the prophecy changes||

[chilly ridge]

||the internet told me all that already but thats good hints for completely blind players yes||

||i really wish i played chapters 1 and 2 on my own now years ago, they were literally free||

||but it was years ago||

||hasnt it been like 4?||

[signal grail]

chapter 1 in 2018, 2 in 2021

[chilly ridge]

wow 😭

i was but a freshman

[mighty pagoda]

damn its been alot of time

[chilly ridge]

next chapter is 2026 tho so thats hype

i totally thought it would be like

3 years from now or something

[signal grail]

SAME

he has an actual team behind it now though and i think they were working on chapter 5 during 3 and 4

[chilly ridge]

most definitely

[mighty pagoda]

really wonder what's gonna be the theme of ch5

[chilly ridge]

||if what gerson said was some foreshadowing then its something relating to what he said about chapter 5||

also i am watching my gf play undertale for the first time currenting

and i noticing ALL of the deltarune symbols everywhere

[signal grail]

nice

[chilly ridge]

i was curious and remembered that the deltarune symbol for undertale originally just represented the monster kingdom

i believe

[signal grail]

#1379482184980758598 message

[chilly ridge]

its just cool to see it around undertale

[signal grail]

thats what it means in undertale, but deltarune was a game toby wanted to make before he made undertale

so any reference to deltarune is definitely on purpose

[chilly ridge]

bro has it all planned from the very beginning

[signal grail]

deltarunes ending literally came to him in a dream

[chilly ridge]

you know its always funny to hear that from artists and writers

but ive had many dreams i could totally make into games

they were peak fiction

if i remembered them that is

[signal grail]

ive had some too lol

ive had dreams that directly were games

[chilly ridge]

ive had the highest concentration of subnautica dreams (they were all horrific)

[glass lance]

i would just like to present everyone this abomination i found in the DR subreddit a few days ago

[somber ember]

||I like how it is hinted in chapter 2 that alvin will take gerson's hammer, and alvin says he wishes you could meet gerson|| (ch4)

[signal grail]

||i wonder if alvin is going to play a part in chapter 7, as thats the chapter gerson says "the young havent written" or something||

[signal grail]

||1 hit from the attack where the box splits in half HELLO???? SHE HAS THE MANTLE||

[gritty goblet]

||wait is the mantle an attack or defense booster... i thought it was a "do more damage to dark types" thing||

[signal grail]

||its meant to protect you||

[gritty goblet]

ah maybe im just dumb

[signal grail]

||shadow mantle is still on susie.. hmm||

makes me think of this thought i had

[gusty otter]

Question about Chapter 3 and early chapter 4:
Me and a friend have both played through chapter 3, ||only I fought every enemy (i pacified most of them but some flew away) while he spared them.||
Now, at the beginning of chapter 4, ||my Tenna was supposedly dead, while his was patched up and chilling in Castle Town.
My question is, does this relate to the way I approach fights? Is combat not a viable way to approach enemy encounters if I want the best outcome for the side characters?||

[signal grail]

||i believe tenna surviving is directly related to recruiting every enemy||

[gusty otter]

||Does defeating an enemy in combat automatically preclude from recruiting that type of enemy?||

||Shame 'cause I really like the combat in Deltarune, but I'll probably switch to the "Undertale" way to approach encounters if it means not risking bad endings for some characters.||

[signal grail]

||i think so yeah, you get a big red "lost" text the first time you win by fighting||

[gusty otter]

Thanks for the info

[signal grail]

if you still want to beat encounters by fighting instead of acting, getting enemies to low HP makes them tired and then you can spare them with ralseis pacify spell

[gusty otter]

Yeah that's what I've been trying to do but sometimes I let through more damage than intended and one-shot enemies.

[signal grail]

it could help to only attack with one character or intentionally lowroll instead of hitting the highest damage

[gusty otter]

fair enough

[gritty goblet]

||imo its because the knight can still Use kris. it's not "i like you" it's "you have not yet outlived your usefulness"||

[signal grail]

maybe yeah

||id like to think the knight has more nuanced motives than pure evil/manipulation etc though||

[somber ember]

Chapter 4 weird route spoilers:
||Carol calls kris at the end of this route, which pretty much confirms she was the one calling kris in normal route. ||

[broken solstice]

||it is also possible that phone can receive messages from more than one person||

[somber ember]

||Also when you force noelle to equip the thorn ring, a small red pixel appears. It grows larger when you in the sanctuary say you want to think of noelle instead of susie. I think we might ditch kris and take control over noelle instead for the weird route? She can actually freeze and hurt people unlike kris|| (ch4 weird route)

[somber ember]

That is true, but it is very similar

[broken solstice]

yea

[signal grail]

||theres dialogue at some point when you try to use the phone that says all of your contacts have been deleted except for one||

something like that

[somber ember]

||Anyway, weird route is messed up. Super curious to see what happens.
If you try to pray for noelle in the church kris will get mad and kick it instead. And if you say you will never play the piano anymore at the church kris will bite their hand and refuse to say it.|| (ch4 weird)

[signal grail]

||iirc you lose health when kris bites their hand, i saw a youtube commenter theorise you might be able to kill kris in the light world if you push them too far||

[broken solstice]

||Something that may also be interesting is how aborted weird route would work. We know that once we get purified crystal (possibly when we collect 5 shadow crystals for Seam) and thorn ring, you can combine the two into the Twisted Sword, which has Trance effect like the Thorn Ring (but is a sword so others will equip it)||

[somber ember]

||Oh yeah, when they kicks you in the bathroom after forcefully equipping the thorn ring on noelle, you take 10 damage (kris has 20/20 health, 10/20 after that)
It physically hurts them to do it.|| (ch4 weird)

[somber ember]

||Yeah, it'll be interesting for sure. Chapter 5 will have some sick reveals||

[signal grail]

||i think committing to the weird route in chapter 4 is going to be the point of no return for the rest of the game, or maybe at some point in chapter 5. at this point noelle KNOWS what was happening was real, that it wasnt a prank, and she seems committed to and "excited" about becoming stronger||

[gritty goblet]

they,,.,., them,.... kris is they/them,....

[somber ember]

Ah dang it

I'm sorry

Thanks

[broken solstice]

||I think it could be like Undertale, where you can abort Geno at any point but it has different consequences. Ch2 has Berdly still being in coma(?), ch3 has Shadow Mantle which may be importmant later on, and ch4 requires ch2 and makes Noelle know the truth|| (weird route spoilers)

[somber ember]

I love berdly

[broken solstice]

||also I really like how ch3 weird route is easy to find out yourself and helps you figure out ch2 route without spoilers too. It really feels interesting how it uses the save slot system to its advantage|| (ch3 weird route spoilers)

[signal grail]

possible i suppose, i think the biggest changed would be ||aborted weird route with the twisted sword||

[signal grail]

||that isnt the weird route, it just gives you the shadow mantle||

||theres no weird route in chapter 3 to my knowledge||

[broken solstice]

||I'd say it is a part of weird route. It references previous weird route parts, has you doing stuff that Kris judges you for (the final minigame), has the jingle similar to snowgrave one, and has the same "becoming stronger by killing others" theme||

[signal grail]

||it hints how you can reach the weird route in the previous chapter but it doesnt course correct the story or major events like weird route in chapter 2 and 4 do||

||its also not required to continue the weird route into chapter 4 afaik||

[broken solstice]

||it doesnt change the story for now, but it could in the future (given how there is the mini-kris out there and you got Shadow Mantle, which is likely much more importmant than just a strong armor).||

[signal grail]

||you can have both of those things on the normal route||

[cursive ravine]

How do you spoiler an image?

[broken solstice]

On mobile, hold-press the image and select "spoiler image". On PC, click the eye icon in the corner of the image you are sending

[broken solstice]

ye

[cursive ravine]

What in the “human I remember your genocides” like what do you MEAN Toby fox

[somber ember]

||Very minor changes. For instance, when ralsei asks who you want to go with to the festival, you can pick noelle and he says it would be a bad idea (different dialogue than normally)|| (ch3 weird)

[signal grail]

unrelated, ||i think its really interesting how much the roaring knight fight encourages you to main susie and use red buster, with how little damage standard attacks do and just how much free tp the attacks give you (and shes the only one with dialogue)||

||also its cool how her attacks progressively deal more damage, like shes trying harder and harder as the fight goes on||

[cursive ravine]

Deltarune next year

[signal grail]

i see

deltarune yearmorrow

[somber ember]

||Susie is sooo the main character and I'm super for it. || (ch4)

[signal grail]

susie has been the protagonist from day 1

[broken solstice]

||all attacks cause knight to slowly lose defence I think||

[signal grail]

oh i see

[somber ember]

||There's another minor dialogue change when you are fighting the mantle boss. It says you "enjoyed yesterday" (paraphrased, don't remember exact dialogue)|| (ch3 weird)

[cursive ravine]

Like that’s crazy

[somber ember]

I know, it's sooooo funny

[broken solstice]

Tony Fox is just trolling all the community theories and concepts in the new chapters lmao

[cursive ravine]

Well you are being mean

[signal grail]

||my main point anyway is just that its misleading to call the S rank room the weird route when it has no direct correlation to weird route continuation like ch2 and ch4 do, its more like step 1 of the shadow crystal boss (but at this point i cant even tell if the shadow mantle is required 😭)||

[somber ember]

Ch4 funny moment

[broken solstice]

||it isnt required, its just harder||

[cursive ravine]

||I don’t think it’s required but the boss is basically impossible unless you are a god gamer or you don’t have it||

[mighty pagoda]

||when i saw that i was like: holy shit||

[somber ember]

Oh? Sorry I don't mean to

[broken solstice]

||Tony Tox is so smart to put Among Us reference in ch4 so it is far past the refund point||

[signal grail]

||are the exact changes of the shadow mantle documented yet?||

[mighty pagoda]

||people who start with chapter 4||

[cursive ravine]

Gregory you see that small vent on the floor-

[somber ember]

Can't wait for chapter 6 to have a skibidi toilet reference 🥹

[mighty pagoda]

cant wait for ch7 to have rain world

[somber ember]

If it happens I'm buying deltarune 2 more times LMAO

[cursive ravine]

Wow

[somber ember]

Worst thing is that there's a non-zero chance it will actually happen

[broken solstice]

damn I forgot this is a part of offtopic chat

[cursive ravine]

Deltarune is so RED

[mighty pagoda]

they should've made this in spenderal so we could mention ■■■■■■ and ■■■■■■■ /silly

[signal grail]

i died on the last ch3 attack LOOOL

iykyk

[somber ember]

[broken solstice]

yeah and ■■■ ■■■■■ ■■■■■ ■■■■ ■■■■■ theory

[somber ember]

DAMN

Pain

[mighty pagoda]

[signal grail]

good to check if that part is scripted anyway which i now know it isnt 🙏

[somber ember]

||Have y'all seen the mike fight?|| (ch4 secret encounter)

||It's really funny, microphone battle||

[broken solstice]

also I really wish Deltarune gets a hardmode or some mod like Ribbit/Fingers Crossed

[cursive ravine]

||yeah I like the mini games you get after no joke pluey is fun||

[broken solstice]

the combat is actually fun sometimes, just a bit too easy to the point I never saw the default ch3 game over screen

[somber ember]

A funny thing you can do if you want to see that a lot more, set your hp to 1 in the files and/or refuse to use items

[mighty pagoda]

||they could make a reference to undertale and make that if you name yourself "kris" it enables hardmode, similarly to undertale which enables hardmode for ruins if you name yourself "frisk" || (undertale secret mechanic spoiler)

[signal grail]

yes i love it

[broken solstice]

there is a difference between no-hitting stuff and just having stuff be harder and still interact with mechanics

take Ribbit for example (awesome mod btw)

[somber ember]

Never heard of

Sounds cool though

[broken solstice]

It is a REALLY good mod for Deltarune, but only covers the first chapter I think

[mighty pagoda]

||still have 0 idea on what to do here || (ch3)

[gritty goblet]

heh. i know

[signal grail]

heh. i know

all the chest has is a revivemint i think so dont sweat it

[somber ember]

||You need lancer's dig. || (medium hint)

[signal grail]

i beat the fight with everyone alive yay

[signal grail]

thats a pretty dead giveaway i think 😭

[somber ember]

Yeah, dunno how else to say it

[mighty pagoda]

||completely forgot about this scene lul|| (ch3)

[signal grail]

🐴

[mighty pagoda]

🐎

[signal grail]

||is there a way to skip noelles house like you can sleep elsewhere?|| (ch4)

[gritty goblet]

unlesseth ye desireth the crystal....

[signal grail]

huh

[gritty goblet]

those who snow

[mighty pagoda]

||oh its unlocked now?|| (ch3)

[gritty goblet]

win!

[blissful ivy]

deltarune tomorrow
silksong ||eventually||

[mighty pagoda]

||what!!!!!!!|| (ch3)

||damn this is hard||

[blissful ivy]

does anyone know how do i survive the ||knight|| battle

it's too hard

[opal grotto]

:3

[broken solstice]

Spam defend, use a few revivemints, hold X during bullet hell parts to move slower

[blissful ivy]

how do i spam defend and fight at the same time

[broken solstice]

Spam defend as the rest, Rude buster whenever possible as Susie

[blissful ivy]

alr

[broken solstice]

Give your best defence items to Susie too, or she will die in like 2 hits

[supple belfry]

||i like the rhythm game minigame. it made my osu!mania self suddenly take control of the game lmao||

[heady fossil]

Ok why the HELL ||is the water cooler fight so hard😭 (yes I beat it, I'm just randomly complaining)|| chap 3 minor spoilers?

[opal grotto]

Because ||heehoo funny ||

[mighty pagoda]

||BegForMercy||

[heady fossil]

Very ||heehoo funny indeed, I certainly enjoyed the water cooler fight||

[somber skiff]

oh look ch3 stuff

[broken solstice]

Just stay near the center and in the spinning attack move in the pattern the bullets do too, made it really easy for me

[somber skiff]

||water cooler is scary||

[blissful ivy]

||true||

[heady fossil]

I mean, I spared it but it was silly

[mighty pagoda]

||BegForMercy||

[heady fossil]

Ok genuine question now, ||What am I supposed to do for the three photos? I got Lancer on the Green Goop, and I got the cactus picture. What do I do now??|| (chap. 3 soils)

[wild ice]

Chapter 3 ||flaming city bonus round|| really won me over, i liked how it portrayed darker themes like || the helpless feeling of being a kid in a household where everyone is always fighting, trying to drown out the noise with the tv, and being forced to act the way your parents expect. I refused to say “ I love Tv” even once during the chapter because it felt like having an abusive parent trying to force you to say you love them. I really liked the couple lines about “everyone is fighting again” “Im sorry, Im sorry” and “I cant stop it” Tennas dialogue there really reminded me of stuff that I wasn’t expecting to see from the game as a whole. ||

[blissful ivy]

||go to the right in the room with tenna.||

[mighty pagoda]

hi manngo

[wild ice]

Hi pebbel

[woven tulip]

||i mean, it’s kinda an explicit reference to snowgrave ||

[karmic elm]

i literally have no clue what that is

and please dont tell me, id rather figure stuff out on my own

[mighty pagoda]

[modern galleon]

Man chapter 3’s glass shard boss is tough

[karmic elm]

true!

but so far its been my favorite just because of how unique it is

[modern galleon]

I managed to pull it off but barely, with Ralsei splattered on the ground constantly and almost all heals burnt

[woven tulip]

that’s from ch2

[karmic elm]

wait wuh

[modern galleon]

But still dope boss fight

[karmic elm]

yeah and i still dont know so please dont spoil me or spoiler tag your messages next time please

[karmic elm]

||ch3 darkmantle dude is not the secret encounter for ch3???||

[modern galleon]

||no I don’t mean the shadow mantle dude||

||I mean the roaring knight||

[karmic elm]

oh my god i missed an entire encounter then LOL

okay i am leaving this channel

[wild ice]

Chapter 4 music is 🔥

[modern galleon]

All secret encounters reward you with a glass shard ||shadow crystal||

If you didn’t get it then it’s not the secret encounter

By far my favorite song from chapter 3&4 is Ruder Buster

Can’t get more groovy than that

[woven tulip]

||a secret but not THE secret ||

[karmic elm]

please dont ping me here anymore 🙏

[wild ice]

I live for the basslines

[mild hull]

if someone expresses explicit ignorance of a cool secret it's generally good courtesy to not reveal it all willy-nilly 🤏

[heady fossil]

Chatttttt ||What do I do?? I'm at the green room part where Susie says "No next board until we figure out what's going on" any nudges or hints? I've interacted with everything I can|| (chap. 3 soilers)

OOOO wait nvm I think I figured it out

Scratch that

Rah

[rocky hemlock]

perchance we'll see Kris whitout his soul more often

maybe he'll disconnect from his soul in the dark world this time

[modern galleon]

There is somewhere suspicious on the map

Try to annoy who or whatever is trying to stop you from investigating

[blissful ivy]

kris is not a guy

[heady fossil]

Hey chat how do I do this

Been trying this for a while

Rah

[somber skiff]

||x||

[somber skiff]

||a dark zone||

||is taking too long||

[finite phoenix]

have you ||seen lancer?||

oh, woops

@heady fossil

[blissful ivy]

||i guess these are the shadow crystals? because ive only finished ch1 and 2 and got both of them and these came here. but why are there 9 dots then? does that mean we get more than one shadow crystal in a chapter? or am i going insane||

[modern galleon]

You have 3 save files per chapter

[blissful ivy]

oh yea

does that mean ||no more shadowcrystals||????

[nocturne mango]

||a particular character has exhibited the preference of digging holes in past chapters... maybe they can be useful here?||

[nocturne mango]

oopings

[modern galleon]

Yep it’s a one per chapter thing

[blissful ivy]

i meant like ||are there 4 shadowcrystals and thats all||

[broken solstice]

There will be at least 5, according to Seam

[normal garnet]

deltarune amrite?

chapter 5 tomorrow

[broken solstice]

Chapter 5 in 207 days

[mighty pagoda]

chapter 7 in 2037

/silly

[vivid verge]

Chapter 7 when half life 3

[finite phoenix]

(chapter 3 fight spoilers)

[vivid verge]

Can't wait for the game to be finished and then people say deltarune 2 tomorrow

[woven tulip]

tbh i thought they knew because of what they said

[mild hull]

fair enough, I think ||The C3 mantle stuff is the intended ingame way for you to figure out that snowgrave exists tho 🤔||

[woven tulip]

||it probably is! not only there is an ice magic wizard, but the last mini game is pretty obviously cyberworld. and you have to be alone, which may be a hint at where in chapter 2 it starts.||

[woven tulip]

which is weird, because in the past jevil’s crystal was cross-slot if you got it on any

[woven tulip]

ch3 ||from a dialogue, it seems the water coolers are actually water spirits that got contracted by tenna||

[rapid flame]

(3 and 4 spoilers)
a lot of people are saying ||noelle's mom (carol) is the knight. the horn shape might be slightly more similar but the way the knight like smirks before opening the Big fountain makes me think dess. carol's too serious to do that. or laugh, really, especially if the whole thing is an attempt to get dess back. carols really serious||
||also because i went like "OMG DESS" the second i saw the knight i dont wanna change lol||

[woven tulip]

should have kept it tbh . considering ||you can actually "softlock" getting shadow crystal if you move forward to the next board without s-rank||

in chapters 1 and 2, ||they can be found at any point up to the final boss battle (obvious)||

[somber ember]

||I saw this lol|| (ch4) (I don't actually believe this)

[rapid flame]

deltarune fans when someone is ||left-handed (it's all so clear now)||

[somber ember]

It's like super shaky "evidence"

||She could just use her non-dominant hand in the second image|| (ch4)

[woven tulip]

btw ||ambidextrous|| people exist

[rapid flame]

yeah that happened to me. was ||too crazy excited to restart so i decided to play through and then try again to get all the secrets||

[woven tulip]

slugcats are for example

also there is a thing that you could use different hands for different tasks

[rapid flame]

yeah i do tend to use my left hand for some things even though i am Very Much right handed

[woven tulip]

you being ||excited|| is a spoiler

sans is actually character from fnaf movie

[rapid flame]

ggrhrhhg image i want to post

ive yet to ||beat the knight though so maybe there's extra dialogue im missing. But I don't want to see it until i Earn it. but oh the hitboxes on some of these attacks are so mean to me||

[woven tulip]

||lol, funny how i can easily no hit half of the attacks, but others are very hard||

[somber skiff]

slugcats are in deltarune?????

[rapid flame]

||i can no hit the first two mostly, sometimes the third unless it goes sideways. i can only handle it when its up and down for some reason||
||and then i get beaten to death||

[broken solstice]

||have you got the shadow mantle?||

[woven tulip]

yeah

obviously

[final rivet]

When will Kris and Susie meet The Watcher, and where would it even take place

[woven tulip]

||idk but that attack is confusing||

[rapid flame]

ye

[woven tulip]

i wish it was #spoiler-bigenderal

💔

[rapid flame]

chapter 27

[somber ember]

Better to have it here so that people who haven't played or are fully spoiled on rain world can participate safely

[woven tulip]

in silksong

[final rivet]

new attack they just throw slugcats at their enemies

[somber ember]

This is a bit too spoilery on rain world 😔

[broken solstice]

Oh ok

Anyways cant wait for chapter 5 scuggrave route

[somber ember]

TRUE

[rapid flame]

||i didnt bother to grab all the good healing items i had saved though so that might help a lot||

[broken solstice]

Get 1 or 2 revivemints. They help a LOT, since you can recover from getting a party member down

Also dont bother with Healing Prayer, using TP for Rude Buster is far better

[woven tulip]

﹡Survivor used Wawa. All enemies got tired from the threat theme.

[somber ember]

||Rude buster is the real damage dealer here. Keeping susie alive is very important. Good to have ralsei and kris alive however so that you have some meat shields. Kris should defend or heal as they barely deal any damage|| (ch3 secret boss)

[woven tulip]

i also have revive dust from somewhere

[broken solstice]

Also I think that you deal far greater damage if only 1 party member is not downed, so if only Susie remains you can spam default attack for like 70 damage each I think

[woven tulip]

oh also

||use tension max at the start||

[somber ember]

||Oh yeah, the attack where the knight slices the box deals a lot of damage (like 100 something damage)|| (ch3 secret)

[woven tulip]

||they all deal a lot of damage||

[somber ember]

||Hmm, but can it be used in the future for merging items like the tension bit? Don't want to waste it||

[broken solstice]

||losing the battle from full hp by staying in sword wave hurtbox area is a vibe||

[woven tulip]

||shadow mantle makes the sword tunnel attack deal like 8 damage lol||

[somber ember]

||Really happy they added that boss. A real super boss you're not meant to win but you can if you have enough determination || (ch3 secret boss)

[broken solstice]

||Still took me less time than John Toolong||

[woven tulip]

||interestingly, you don’t seem to actually die in this fight. the soul doesn’t break if the narrator asks if you want to retry||

[broken solstice]

||yeah you dont die normally too. It is just that the soul was taken to some other place ig, or is just used as a way to make a decision||

[woven tulip]

||shadow mantle is optional btw ||

[somber ember]

Yup

[woven tulip]

i hope it doesn’t affect anything

[somber ember]

||But it's a cool quest (that boss at the end is tough)||

[somber ember]

Definitely will

[woven tulip]

||i mean, i hope the quest isn’t permanent effect like weird route||

[broken solstice]

||there are likely going to be more fights needing it||

[mighty pagoda]

||enough what? /silly||

[woven tulip]

||probably no, actually . but it reduces damage from star/dark attacks though, so it’s still useful||

[broken solstice]

||Wait does Dark Mantle work against Titan?||

[blissful ivy]

how long has it been

[finite sky]

deltarune brainrot hits so hard i had to draw a scene from the weird route (chapter 3/4 spoilers)

[somber skiff]

it's time

[finite sky]

good luck

[somber skiff]

god im a terrible person

[finite sky]

:)

[somber skiff]

:)

[rapid flame]

yeah but there's ||like no immunity time and thats where i keep losing lol||

[rapid flame]

i think this is ||the point where i gave up trying to do snowgrave i felt too bad lol||

[finite sky]

fair

[somber skiff]

lol

fair

[finite sky]

for the fight ||my only tip with the swords is try to find where your eyes adjust to the movement of the swords best, in my experience i had better results when i looked slightly ahead and not directly at my soul||

[somber skiff]

crap i think i messed up ||snowgrave||

[finite sky]

do you need any help with it?

[somber skiff]

nah im fine

[finite sky]

dont move past the blue addison until ||you get the freezering||, though

[rapid flame]

||alas I almost never look at the soul but will try 👍 for some reason i find the second swords one easier than the first||

[somber skiff]

alr

[woven tulip]

it’s funny but at this point ||i can almost perfectly do this and circle variant attack lol, unlike evil knife attack where other knives spinning in circle||

[somber skiff]

well we're back

[woven tulip]

it’s even funnier but i could do it in the first attempts but i somehow unlearned it

[woven tulip]

i gave up after first battle in the chapter even before actual start of the quest

[woven tulip]

but you have ||shadow mantle||, right?

[somber ember]

Cool!

[woven tulip]

cool

[somber ember]

Pun intended

[woven tulip]

||icy what you did||

[somber ember]

||Truly shocking how cold that was ||

[somber skiff]

[woven tulip]

||that’s weird, though||

[somber skiff]

litrally

[finite sky]

actual susie line btw (chapter 4 weird route mild spoiler??)

[somber ember]

I know

[somber skiff]

lmao

wait oops

[woven tulip]

ch3 egg ||there is a line with "DELTARUNE" ||

[finite sky]

yah... ||thats just gaster bro, they mention delta rune several times in tweets and other news letter media teehee||

[woven tulip]

i’m not sure if i want to do ||weird route||, what if it affects other saves

[woven tulip]

right ||but this is in the actual game though ||

[somber ember]

||I dunno what the deal with gaster is. Why do people think the lines between chapters and at the beginning of the game is gaster?||

[woven tulip]

speech pattern i think

very, very interesting

[finite sky]

||gaster is the only character we can reliably link to that speech pattern, yeah||

[woven tulip]

and all capital letters

[somber ember]

Icy

[opal grotto]

Papyrus

[somber ember]

Thanks!

[finite sky]

paperoos

[woven tulip]

other characters use all capital letters too, but there is not a lot of them

i wonder who is ||shadow mantle owner||

||they talk about having things to do, what if it’s the knight themself ||

[finite sky]

(chapter 3 secret spoilers) ||i definitely noticed the kind of have the shape of an actual mantle, similar "ears" to the god of hyperdeaths shoulder pads||

||i think they are the shadow mantle, the sprite names for the arena also supports this as everything besides friend is named shadow mantle (yes the tiles too)||

[somber skiff]

oh god oh no

[woven tulip]

||the character seems to be the shadow mantle, but it’s probably controlled by somebody. it can attack real kris, not just ingame||

[finite sky]

||hmm true, i feel maybe we were truly fighting the bearer of the mantle, but that does bring it back to who the hell is wearing it||

||i could see it being the knight, as i imagine their physical form no longer exists and thus are practically invisible or only can see seen through the representation of objects||

||fits nicely as a parallel to the white cloak being noelle||

[somber skiff]

wait hol on sec i did smth wrong again

[mild hull]

||mantle boss being controlled by another mantle offscreen using a controller||

[woven tulip]

||the knight, and friends seem oddly similar to amalgams . and especially the darkner in the beginning cutscene (who also has the same face as friends in the shadow mantle fight), who has literally a silhouette of endogeny|| ch3

idk if it’s ch4 spoilers, i didn’t play it myself yet

[finite sky]

LMAOO

[woven tulip]

i wanted to say it tbh

it’s actually ||ramb (or what’s their name), that’s why they are with you in the backstage||/j

[woven tulip]

also ||both amalgams and darkners are created from non alive objects using determination||

[finite sky]

||i wonder how flowey plays relevance then cuz flowers are surely alive right||

[somber skiff]

Im a terrible person

[broken solstice]

Arent amalgrams like multiple monsters combined or something

[woven tulip]

and ||friends are somehow related to spamton, obviously. also probably why spamton has cat element||

[woven tulip]

yeah but it’s probably not necessarily, since flowey is made of only 1 monster and an ordinary flower (who’s alive, probably, but isn’t a monster)

and it’s a parallel, not necessarily a complete equivalent

||though, it really seems intentional that the darkner in the ralsei’s cutscene looks like endogeny||

[rapid flame]

||crazy how at the end of chapter seven they all turn to the camera like "this sure has been a Delta Rune" and start dancing||

[rapid flame]

||yeah i saw that like "guh????? wuh?????" and then its the weird smile with the eyes that keeps appearing||

[woven tulip]

at the end of the chapter 7 ||the opening narrator says "i’m the wd gaster, i’m giving you an egg"||

[finite sky]

||my name is wingding gaster, im the royal scientist-||

[rapid flame]

||he joins them in the dance sequence too if im remembering right?||

[woven tulip]

||toby should’ve made them speak in wingdings to be more obvious ||

[somber skiff]

i reached ||spamton neo||

wait why did i censor spamton neo

[woven tulip]

wait

spamton doesn’t give a shadow crystal in the route?

[somber skiff]

spoiler

[woven tulip]

it’s chapter 2 tho

wait

||does it mean you actually have to beat normal route and then reset, so you could find the shadow crystle in castle town like with jevil? or it doesn’t work?||

[somber skiff]

*||snowgrave route not weird route||

[somber skiff]

idk

[woven tulip]

i always called it ||weird route|| 💔

because it’s the actual name of it

[rapid flame]

||"maybe things took a weird route right now"||

[somber skiff]

damn

anyways i died

[finite sky]

technically shadow crystals carry across save files regardless, theres a meter in the chapter select (this isnt spoilers its always existed)

that shows which save file you got the shadow crystal in

[woven tulip]

do they?

[finite sky]

yeah, if you already beat chapter 1 secret boss in one save for example

[woven tulip]

but what about others

[finite sky]

you can get jevils item automatically when starting a new chapter 2 save

in castle town

[woven tulip]

maybe it’s jevil exclusive

[somber skiff]

bro i suck

ima do it tmr

[finite sky]

nah you can do it with spamton too if you did the normal route iirc

well... granted you start from chapter 3

[rapid flame]

im tryingn to draw im STRUGGLING 💔

[woven tulip]

did anyone test if you ||would get spamton neo and the knight shadow crystals in the castle town, if you beat them on another save slot? or it’s no longer work like this||

[finite sky]

🤔 i could try it rq

i thankfully have saves for that

[rapid flame]

why is ||the knight|| so hard to draw im e

[finite sky]

hmmmm

||i dont think you ever visit castle town in chapter 3 right? im thinking about where to check, probably the beginning of chapter 4 after church?||

[woven tulip]

specifically different slots

[finite sky]

yeah

[woven tulip]

like beating them in slot 1 and checking in slot 3

[finite sky]

checking rn

||i beat the knight on my weird route save file lmao||

hmmm wait

itd have to be earlier in the chapter ||post chapter 4 i cant access that area in castle town because toby is silly||

ill start a new chapter 4 save rq

hmm odd, i dont recall how the mechanic works cuz ive never used it myself but nothing appeared on my end

[rapid flame]

i didnt even know it was a thing

[wild ice]

i got them ||in the hole in the cliff on the left|| when i visited castle town in ch. 4 before (spoiler:) || the holiday mansion|| in ch.4, on an empty/new ch. 4 save.

but i did do all that on slot 1...

[full lion]

i fucking loved the bit in chapter 3 where ||after rouxls breaks up with the weather duo, starwalker randomly walks in, says “Star Walker” and then leaves with them||

less big chapter 3 spoilers but important

[woven tulip]

wdym

[woven tulip]

true

[full lion]

starwalker remains the goat

🔥

[wild ice]

Did the bosses on slot 1 for both

[woven tulip]

starwalker is the star

walker

[wild ice]

And started the new save in slot 1

Even though i didn’t continue those saves

[full lion]

do you guys think in chapter 7 that ||the roaring knight and the titans|| will randomly stop what they’re doing as Starwalker walks on screen and says “this roaring is pissing me off”
HUGE 4 spoilers

[woven tulip]

also it shouldn’t be if you don’t meet starwalker in ch1?

[full lion]

yeah

[woven tulip]

||it changes the outcome of the scene, which means there is starwalker route. ||

[full lion]

do you guys think lancer will die

[heady fossil]

Not my sweet home boy

[woven tulip]

why specifically lancer

[full lion]

it’d be cruel

which toby is

/silly

[woven tulip]

which is why

the annoying dog will be killed in ch5 ||weird route||

[full lion]

so do yall think ||Carol is the Roaring Knight|| huge 4 spoilers btw

[woven tulip]

we need self insert boss!

[full lion]

true

[woven tulip]

showing dogdollar immediately spares them

ch3 ||weird (edit: ) how you can’t get the egg if you already got the mantle, which is similar to the weird route in ch2||

[gusty otter]

Help with a chapter 3 secret?
I've gotten ||S rank on both stages|| and yet ||I can't advance in the secret minigame||. The ||darkner in front of the door tells me that I missed something in the first stage||, ||and tbh I'm so sick of restarting the chapter over and over (this is my 4th time now)||. ||Can you please tell me what I have to do to advance the secret|| without spoiling what happens?

[woven tulip]

||what did you do in the mini game||

[gusty otter]

Which one? ||The secret one?||

[woven tulip]

yeah

[gusty otter]

I reached the ||deltarune door and the game went "aren't you forgetting something?".||

[woven tulip]

right, ||did you play it on the first round?||

[gusty otter]

Like, ||between the first and second stage?||

[woven tulip]

yes

[gusty otter]

nope

[woven tulip]

you should have!

||each time it has a different map||

[gusty otter]

How was I supposed to know?

[gusty otter]

ohh

[woven tulip]

yeah, ||the map of the board you had. so first one is desert||

[gusty otter]

I'm gonna cry, ||I have grinded like 3 hours to get s rank on the second stage I didn't know I hat to check the game in between.||

[woven tulip]

so, ||what do you need for opening the closed doors? try finding it on the first map, using abilities you get there. you will know when you found it||

[gusty otter]

much appreciated.

Is that all I have to do ||before reaching the minigame?||

I'm sorry to get spoiled but ||it's a multi-hour chapter and I don't have the time to replay it all over again multiple times.||

[woven tulip]

||yeah, just getting S-rank on the first round, going to the minigame and completing it, similarly with second one. and don’t forget to check after tenna battle, extra round one||

[full lion]

star walker

[woven tulip]

yeah, idk why they made ||this secret possible to miss , usually there wasn’t points of no return in past chapters||

[gusty otter]

my thoughts exactly

[woven tulip]

but yeah, ||check and complete the mini game after each round. 3 times total||

[full lion]

nubert

[gusty otter]

appreciate the advice, thanks a lot

[full lion]

starwalker and nubert

[woven tulip]

it will ||close the mini game when you complete it, so you will know if you finished it||

[full lion]

i am definitely totally contributing to this conversation

[woven tulip]

btw advices for ||ranks.

in battles, get max tp, and try to win them fast and with least amount of hits.

guess quizzes correctly.

get as much points as possible.

try to find all secrets.||

if you didn’t know, ||board 2|| points advice, ||making a photo of npcs gives you points, and susie can destroy grass for points||

[gusty otter]

Yup! Been doing that, I just suck at battles lol.

[woven tulip]

||points and secrets can increase rank a lot. if you get all, getting just A in battles is enough||

i think

still try to get highest score you can

[somber skiff]

||STAR WALKER||

[somber skiff]

||also roulx kaard give a huge number of points of (cos pi + i sin pi) ||

[rapid flame]

||star walker||

[heady fossil]

||How the HELL do I beat the knight at the end of chapter 3😭😭😭|| (chapter 3 major soils)

||Died for the third time, said "You are missing something very important" tf you mean|| still chapter 3 soilers

I'm just gonna try till I win

RAH

Ok I give up helppppp

How do I ||beat the Roaring Knight at the end of Chap. 3??? I'm at a loss|| chap 3

Cuz like
I really wanna beat it

[full lion]

||star walker||

[floral willow]

||use equipment max def on everyone/ max attack susie, stock up on healing items, don't use ralsei's heals, attack with rude buster the most you can, let kris/ralsei defend to gain tp, Kris is the only character who doesn;t get -999 health. Do not prolong the battle and try gettings 0 hits in the early attacks.

It's not an easy fight so keep trying, it took me about 18 tries to finally get it.||

Oh reminds me, would ya'll like two threads

One for ch3 and one or ch4?

[heady fossil]

Hell yea!!

Then I won't have to worry about random chapter 4 spoilers

[woven tulip]

[woven tulip]

if i think right

||remember what seam said? did you obtain special item?||

[woven tulip]

yes actually

well, for ch3 and for ch3+ch4, since obviously late contains spoilers for ch3 too

no more spoiler marking every message

[woven tulip]

also for information, ||it’s not a required fight to win. you will get special reward if you win, though||

[full lion]

also for extra information, ||, , star walker||

[heady fossil]

||So I did a lil research, apparently there's special steps I can do to make the fight more... fair? Anyways, I'm having trouble understanding it|| chap 3

[woven tulip]

yeah

[floral willow]

deltarune ch3

[woven tulip]

again, it’s ||optional, not for normsl story progression, it’s for a special reward, you may already guess what||.

but if you want to ||get the item to make it fair. well, if you are at this point, it’s already too late for this, unfortunately||.

hint: ||get s-rank on the boards and go to s-rank room after each round||

kinda evil for toby to put "you are missing something" at the point after the point of no return in getting this

[floral willow]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1381432575859490896

new ch4 thread

[woven tulip]

well it’s not required

just making it not as difficult

because it’s almost no hit required otherwise

[floral willow]

woops, thought i was in thread

[woven tulip]

[floral willow]

oh wait i am in thread

[woven tulip]

[full lion]

[woven tulip]

to thread or not to thread

[full lion]

that is the question

[signal grail]

would it be less evil to not give any hints about there being a helpful item

also why are there 2 threads now 😭

[woven tulip]

it’s too late

the hint was in chapter 2

[signal grail]

wat

[woven tulip]

seam says you need shadow mantle for the next boss

but they couldn’t find it to give you

[signal grail]

||didnt they say they got the hint after dying 3 times||

[woven tulip]

in the fight? probably idk

but seam says it in castle town in ch2

if you got two shadow crystals

so it’s known there being an item

wait i think i wrote the name wrong

cat shopkeeper npc

[heady fossil]

Seam pronounced Shawm

[mild hull]

hey chat would you rather have the threads be split as a 3 thread and an all thread, or a spoiler-tag thread and a tagless-thread

[signal grail]

i would rather have 1 thread

[mild hull]

not really helpful 😔

the other thread was already made and it's just a question of how to handle their separation

[heady fossil]

I'd like a 3 thread and a 4 thread imo, like how in the FP forums we have stuff for each scug (tags) and how everyone but the op spoiler tags stuff (so everyone would spoiler tag stuff)

I meant Downpour and Vanilla oops

[nocturne mango]

latter

kinda like a subforum here so i find no necessity to go that much in depth

also that the current naming is misleading if this one still needs tagging but the other doesn't

people could very well go to ch4 to talk about it and get spoiled

idk tho

[signal grail]

there havent been any problems with this thread that need solving by adding another one

[heady fossil]

Rahhhh why is ||The 3rd time you play the console in the S rank area so HARD😭
Anyone have tips for the boss ghost thing?|| chapter 3 soils

[signal grail]

||is there any particular phase you find difficult?||

||a general tip is to just take your time and not try to bum rush dealing damage since theres no time limit, play safe and take hits when the ghost is near you||

[heady fossil]

||Mostly phase 3 and 4, but I struggle on the 2nd phase due to skill issue. I've only seen the fire spin thing once||

||Oh that would be my problem, I do bum rush the boss ||

[signal grail]

||the fireballs always spawn in a hexagonal pattern, so try to have clear space away from where it would fire on either axis. one mistake i noticed i made was running the same direction as the ghost and accidentally leading myself into the attack||

||for the fire spin attack in phase 4 stay closer to the center than the edge, it lets you move faster relative to the spinning||

[heady fossil]

Holy hell I did it!!!!

Thank you!!!!!

[signal grail]

congrats

[modern galleon]

Did you go to ||nowhere|| before beating the ||shadow mantle boss||

[heady fossil]

||huh.||

||I believe I've done everything I've needed? I did all three mini games between shows, and I have the armor. Did I fuck up??||

[signal grail]

i think theyre just referring to an easter egg?

||when you have the mantle youre good||

[heady fossil]

Alrighty

Thanks for the help

[signal grail]

[heady fossil]

Now ||it's time to fight the Roaring Knight!!! Wish me luck!!!|| (major spoilers for chap. 3)

[signal grail]

good luck

[heady fossil]

Any tips before I go into the fight?

[signal grail]

dont panic

save in case you want to make equipment changes ||so you dont have to re-fight tenna||

[heady fossil]

I was gonna save just in case

[signal grail]

||fill your inventory with tv dinners||

||the biggest piece of advice is to play for susies rude buster as much as possible, otherwise you just have to learn the attacks||

[heady fossil]

||Should I bring the better tv dinner?||

Rah almost forgot to spoiler that

[signal grail]

||if you have them you might as well||

[heady fossil]

Alright
It's time

[signal grail]

o7

[heady fossil]

Oop

I made it farther than usual!

[uneven prism]

TV time

[heady fossil]

WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT

||Fighting the Knight, got to the fucking Sans wave thing where the knives were Sansing and then came back and stabbed me||

Rahhh

[rapid flame]

||you finished but i found in the 3rd minigame that|| ||the fireball attack was Much easier to dodge at the bottom of the little map||

[modern galleon]

||Nothing major. There is an easter egg which has another game console you could encounter. But beating the shadow mantle boss turns of all consoles and lock the easter egg out||

||I missed it so guess I’ll try to retrieve it next play through||

[heady fossil]

||WHAT THE HELL THEY JUST WENT IN A FUCKING CIRCLE||

Holy hell this fight is hard😭

||Any tips for the Roaring Knight? Like who I should put the mantle piece on?||

(Endgame spoilers for chap. 3)

[signal grail]

susie

||i found it best to defend with kris and ralsei for susies rude buster and make sure susie stays alive with items||

||i would only heal kris and ralsei if they were at like 40 or less hp||

[heady fossil]

Giving up on it for now

Going to chapter 4!

[chilly ridge]

||i loved the roaring knight cuz all it took was persistance for me to beat||

||i didnt need like any tricks or anything||

[signal grail]

a normal hour

[woven tulip]

we now have to spoiler again? 💔

anyway

[signal grail]

wdym

we've always had to

[woven tulip]

not for few hours

you missed

[signal grail]

oh lol

[woven tulip]

||i finally beat the knight!!!||

...

||and the weapon has so much damage lol, not that it's very useful for me||

[signal grail]

congrats :D

[signal grail]

||you can hurt enemies to make them tired and then pacify them with ralsei||

[signal grail]

insane

[woven tulip]

i'm not evil

[woven tulip]

wasn't the best weapon equipped but still

[signal grail]

||wtf you can get an item from gambling||

[woven tulip]

a lot of

||the machine has some great prizes, if you mean it||

[somber ember]

Little cool secret:
||If you input 1225 money into the gambling machine, you can see something neat :3|| (ch3 secret)

Do this after you've gotten the items you want however

It will be unusable after