deltarune ch3-4 (soiler warning)

[somber skiff]

brooo ||WTF DID I JUST WATCH||

[cursive ravine]

Where are you?

[signal grail]

||it seems more like kris needs the soul to live or theres some other property of the soul that kris needs for.. whatever is going on||

[somber skiff]

start of ch3

[cursive ravine]

👍

[broken solstice]

hold on what

[cursive ravine]

||probably or it could be my bribe theory||

[broken solstice]

Chapter 5 in 2026? Crazy damn

[somber skiff]

||cant believe we got mettaton 2||

[cursive ravine]

It makes sense though since they were working on it while they were working on chapter 3 and 4

[broken solstice]

Yeah, just didnt expect it to be so soon

[cursive ravine]

Silksong isn’t in 3 days keep coping

[somber skiff]

||wtf is going on||

[broken solstice]

Check Steam 🥹

[soft warren]

you're lying...

[cursive ravine]

I don’t got a pc

[soft warren]

silksong cant be in 3 days

yeah you liar, its not in 3 days

[late otter]

im being evil and cheating

[somber skiff]

le gasp

[signal grail]

how

and why

[somber skiff]

also chapter 3 is gonna memed to death innit

[cursive ravine]

WITCH

[late otter]

editing txt files, i just wanna speed it up lmao

[cursive ravine]

BUTN THE WITCH /j

[prisma zealot]

okay for the secret boss of chapter 3

[somber skiff]

damn

[prisma zealot]

||in the 4th phase i think?||

||with the fire charge shit||

||do i really have to survive for like 5 minutes or do i have to actually do something lmao||

[somber skiff]

i aint accidentally spoiling myself so idk what u just said

[prisma zealot]

@signal grail help

[signal grail]

||you can damage it during its charge||

[prisma zealot]

yeah i thought about it

it didnt seem like it did anything though

whatever

[cursive ravine]

||I didn’t get to do the chapter three secret boss because I don’t s rank stuff especially rythm games||

[prisma zealot]

here we go

[somber skiff]

boo

[late otter]

||job lmaoo||

sobbing

[broken solstice]

||Hit it with the sword. It tries to predict your movement I think, so it should aim more precisely if you are staying still when it starts the charge||

[broken solstice]

||One of funniest moments in ch3 I got is naming myself ass at the start just bc Tenna mentioned censors, then seeing Susie do the same||

[cursive ravine]

||I would do the S rank thing if it didn’t have a rhythm game||

||the rhythm games that I hate||

[broken solstice]

||I think you can bribe some enemy to make you obtain S-rank after the board was actually done? Idk||

[cursive ravine]

||Especially on controller):<||

[signal grail]

||you can for 1500 points, at the bottom of the green room||

[cursive ravine]

||it disappeared after I played the 2nd round😭||

[broken solstice]

damn

[prisma zealot]

thats it??? thats the battle?????

okay

[broken solstice]

Yeah thankfully the devs werent Darksouls pilled and you dont need to do the entire backtrack every time you fight it

[cursive ravine]

||atleast the chapter 4 secret boss was cool||

[late otter]

ralsei just one shot king round lmao

im so good at this game

trust

[cursive ravine]

||so undyn pilled||

[late otter]

I'll have to lower susie's attack for the prison lancer fight so i dont kill the game

[signal grail]

||you have to be in the S rank during all rounds||

[cursive ravine]

||Yeah I can’t do that||

[somber ember]

Hmm, OBS is not capturing deltarune with game capture anymore. It captures other games

Does any of you know a fix?

[late otter]

works for me

maybe try window capture?

[signal grail]

mamma mia

[somber ember]

Hmm, I'd prefer fullscreen capture, though

It worked before

[late otter]

fair

actually window capture does capture fullscreen right?

looks normal to me

[somber skiff]

lmao

[somber ember]

||I did the same thing || (ch3)

[late otter]

oops i forgot to update susie's attack before the lancer fight, i am now in a wall

[signal grail]

😭

what are you doing

[late otter]

breaking the game

[signal grail]

for any particular reason?

[late otter]

slight speed boost

[signal grail]

(ch4 secret) ||does anyone have hints for where the golden piano notes are? i found the last 4 but i have no idea about the first 8||

[dapper axle]

Wip battle theme for my deltarune au called Runebound

[late otter]

hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby

[somber skiff]

😭

anyways chapter 3 is literally ||DODADADODODADODADA||

anyways ||that game room thingy feels important||

[prisma zealot]

major chapter 3 "secret boss" spoilers || okay turns out its much easier to just leave the member with shadow mantle alive than to try and keep everyone because basically i was trying to do it mantleless at that point lmao||

but he got rekt

totally didnt use like 8 healing items

also ||can you beat the secret bosses in a not-attacking way?||

[signal grail]

i disagree honestly

[prisma zealot]

well for me it was, at least

because i stocked up on like 7 revive mints

[signal grail]

||i used kris to defend since they deal the least damage, susie rude buster and ralsei attack/item to heal susie and kris when necessary||

[prisma zealot]

and ||i had the shadow mantle on kris (dont even know if other members can have it) so kris just took much less damage overall||

[signal grail]

||when ralsei dies i focus less on trying to keep ppl alive and then it was only a few attacks away by solo kris to win||

[prisma zealot]

||if you havent noticed, the more party members are down the more damage kris does||

||like, much more||

[signal grail]

||i did notice but rude buster alone does a lot more damage than kris does solo||

[prisma zealot]

i mean yeah i guess

but its like a 40-50 damage difference

and one is free and the other isnt

whatever

do the strategy you find easier

[signal grail]

||i think kris goes up to like 80 damage per hit, susie and ralsei together deal about 60, and rude buster does ~130 iirc with the items i had equipped||

[mild hull]

oh, did you go through and do it?

[prisma zealot]

maybe i found that strategy "easier" because i just got better at the fight

[signal grail]

yeah it took me like 20 minutes lol

the fight itself

[prisma zealot]

so it actually was harder but i didnt notice

[signal grail]

i think you just have a better safety net with everyone alive as well, at least near the start of the fight

||also susie has dialogue if shes kept alive which i wanted to see, i didnt get all of it though💔||

[prisma zealot]

anyway chapter 3 with secret boss done

[prisma zealot]

||at one point she just stops||

||after like 5-7 turns||

okay imma shower and then do chapter 4 on this save

[signal grail]

||i just need the middle one now||

[somber skiff]

I'm... speechless...

[blissful ivy]

ive been here for half an hour do i keep ||repeating i love tv|| or??

[somber skiff]

wait

||WOOO DELTA RHYTHM TIME||

[late otter]

||is there another action you can do||?

[blissful ivy]

||i can also resist but that doesnt do anything either. the fight keeps repeating||

[late otter]

||maybe try spamming that?||

[somber skiff]

||ah so muse dash but vertical and deltrune||

[signal grail]

||play along for now||

[somber skiff]

||lets go my rg experience paid off||

[blissful ivy]

||is half an hour enough playing along.||

[signal grail]

umm

oh i didnt pay close enough attention to your screenshot lol

||you have options, pay close attention||

[blissful ivy]

||i dont see anything. attention isnt attentioning||

[signal grail]

||look at the zapper acts||

[blissful ivy]

i fihoterffgjdi it out

tyayy

[signal grail]

i went too far in chapter 4 for the secret boss 😭😭

thats so fucking lame

[somber skiff]

????

[prisma zealot]

||just look around for more climbable surfaces||

||explore as much as you can||

||dont go in the door that leads to the fountain, though||

[signal grail]

yeah i already did -_-

[prisma zealot]

oh okay

[signal grail]

it wasnt an option either, ||as soon as you walk into the room OUTSIDE the fountain you get put into a cutscene and close it||

[prisma zealot]

guh

no spoily

[somber skiff]

could someone help i cant figure out what to do here 😭

[signal grail]

so i just restarted my save

i know where the last ||notes|| are

[prisma zealot]

||follow the white robe||

or however that went

||just pay attention to what its doing when walking around with you||

[somber skiff]

ok

thx

also spoiler tag it

[prisma zealot]

right i keep forgetting

fortunately its not that much of a spoiler

[somber skiff]

yea lol

yea ||it just follows me tho||

[signal grail]

this is genuinely infuriating

||why should i think the piano and notes will go away when the dark world is still completely accessible AND has a teleport to the study after you go into susies dark world||

[prisma zealot]

yeah thats stupid

[somber skiff]

OH I GET IT

[prisma zealot]

[somber skiff]

||wtf literally omega flowey||

nvm

||if i think i'm right this is ch3 secret boss||

[blissful ivy]

||im pretty sure it is but. i have no idea||

[somber skiff]

damn

bro i was just about to log off then i found this

[blissful ivy]

||i love not knowing what to do!! i love being stuck on puzzles!! i love watching tv!!||

when i ||turn into a square as ralsei i cant switch characters||

is this supposed to happen

[cursive ravine]

||guys what if the knight is papyrus because hear me out first when we first meet them (and the other times I’m not sure) there is the same smoke thing there is in undertale when you fight papyrus second right after we meet the knight for some reason the trousle Easter egg when you interact with sans door talking about papyrus’s bonetrousle theme goes away hmmm suspicious||

[gloomy spade]

So, do I have to play Undertale before playing Deltarune, or should I play Deltarune (demo) without playing Undertale first?

[mild hull]

playing undertale first is recommended

(by the game itself)

[somber ember]

There are some references to undertale in deltarune, but they aren't connected story/lore wise

Deltarune has a lot of undertale characters in it however

[mild hull]

so far™️

[somber ember]

The FAQ on it

https://deltarune.com/help/

Undertale is a very good game however and is on sale for really cheap right now

So I recommend buying it regardless

[cold coyote]

lancer duplication (chapter 2, no soiler)

[gloomy spade]

I've seen playthroughs of UNDERTALE, which I've seen the Ruins, Snowdin, parts of Hotland, ||New Home|| and the endings, but other than that, I'm somewhat not spoiled on the rest.

How long is Deltarune Chapter 1+2?

[somber ember]

Good amount of hours? At least 8 hours

I beat undertale all endings in 10h

[gloomy spade]

Alright! Also, I have LOTS of unplayed games in my Steam Library, including Undertale. Bit for RPGs, how much time should I play each of them for? I have 64 RPGs, some played and some unplayed.

[mild hull]

ermm I bet you didnt get every single neutral variation 😠

[somber ember]

💥

[somber ember]

Play for as long as it takes you to beat them.

[gloomy spade]

I'm planning on trying each RPG.

[somber ember]

Ah

Well I like to use 2h mark

If I like it before 2h, I continue playing, if not then I refund the game

Steam refunds are goated

[cold coyote]

straight up speedrunning chapter 2 and 3 so i can get actually good items

[mild hull]

shocking that you got into rainworld then, most people dont really get into it until after a few hours at least

[cursive ravine]

No I beat it in like 5 (I’m not a speed runner)

[gloomy spade]

I should try 30 minutes or 1 hour for each game, and 1-2 hours for each RPG game in my Steam Library.

[mild hull]

@signal grail ||I recall seeing you say that you had gone "too far" in C4 for the secret boss; I'm currently at the start of the main dark fountain that you get by unlocking the doors in the church. Is that too far?||

[signal grail]

no

[signal grail]

this puzzle stumped and pissed me off too but i figured it out earlier today

fwiw the chest only has ||500 points|| so dont stress about it too much

[signal grail]

oh wait do you mean

[mild hull]

||I also saw a sign or smth that said there was 1 thing I had yet to recruit before the big door, is that a problem? Currently in the middle of backtracking and looking for areas I hadnt explored yet, but had to go to work before I could finish (😢)||

[swift ravine]

I'm always afraid of breaking their refund abuse policy by accident. At least whenever I do need to refund.

[signal grail]

||the choir door?||

[mild hull]

||goes into the big church gathering room, unlocked after getting the code from the susie fountain||

[signal grail]

||yes thats too far||

||you have to fight the boss before leaving the dark world for the first time||

[prisma zealot]

yeah i straight up did it in like 5 seconds the first try and then on the second run that was going for the secret boss it took me like 5 minutes instead

okay maybe not 5

but like 3

[signal grail]

it took me a little bit but ||i gave the lancer controllers back to lancer before coming here, so i didnt even realise you were supposed to play as him 😭||

[oblique lotus]

(early (i think) ch 3)

I AM IN SHOCK

WHAT

||i knew this shit wasnt any of my business ||

||"The poly relationship none of us ever expected." -me||

[cold coyote]

time to die to die to spamton like 10 times so i dont need to sweat

[cold coyote]

deltarune crashed. just as i almsot beat him

[cursive ravine]

||ok so i was looking up the weird route of both chapters chapter 3 doesn’t really have one because the closest thing to the weird route is the secret boss thing which I don’t think counts and then chapter 4 is crazy||

[somber skiff]

oh yea i laughed so hard at that part

[signal grail]

||is chapter 4 weird route related to snowgrave at all? (yes/no)||

[somber skiff]

hol up...

[signal grail]

[somber skiff]

||HELP ASIDNAODASDIS||

[signal grail]

sincere or silly

[somber skiff]

silly

||i aint giving up that easily||

||that fight is literally so hard tho lmao gotta learn the phases fr||

[signal grail]

i found it pretty hard too, ||especially since its in a new genre and the arena is so tight||

[somber skiff]

yea

[signal grail]

being patient helped a lot tho

theres no rush

[somber skiff]

||i don't think that's the full secret boss tho||

just a feeling

[signal grail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/550827465514418187/1304289690756845662/Horse.gif

[somber skiff]

||Ralsei||

[signal grail]

||Ralsei||

[mild hull]

alright, got the C4 secret now

had to restart the chapter for it but it was worth it

tbh my biggest excitement with finishing 4 is that I'll be able to watch youtube again ❤️

[signal grail]

LOL

[signal grail]

real

i accidentally saw who it was somewhere but it was still a pleasnt surprise

[oblique lotus]

(ch 3)

[sturdy bronze]

hey I beat Jevil

[signal grail]

nice

[cold coyote]

what do i do with the || ice key? || c3

nvm figured it out

[nocturne mango]

i would love to be able to ||replay the tv fight, a lot of minigames|| c3

[mild hull]

ok C4 done

at some point tomorrow I'll go back and push through em on snowgrave

[nocturne mango]

joyous

[cursive ravine]

||the knight is 100% carol. kris was 100% on the phone with the knight, and they said they'll "be there shortly". then suddenly carol is there and hyper protective of the guitar||

||though I could be wrong because the knight doesn’t use ice attacks but it could just be a titan thing||

[signal grail]

||i dont think its 100%, theres no way she made it to the church before kris and susie to stop them from sealing the fountain immediately||

||shes absolutely in on part of it though||

[cursive ravine]

||I guess it could also be a thing where they both are working for the knight||

||kris is probably working for the knight though||

[signal grail]

||there are a lot of things that imply/confirm that yeah, the most damning to me is during the roaring knight bossfight||

[crisp trail]

who else replaying chapters 1 and 2 before playing the new chapters??

[broken solstice]

Chapter 3 end spoilers
||funny Jevil reference||

also kind found ch3 too easy so far, this was one hell of a wake-up call huh

got destroyed the turn after damn

[signal grail]

that fight kicks so much ass

easily my favourite in the game rn

[broken solstice]

||its also pretty interesting how the fight got the Burn In Despair leitmotif|| (ch3 end spoilers)

or at very least it sounds really similar

[signal grail]

which one is that?

[glacial cargo]

asriel fight in undertale when he enters the phase where you can't move before you save everyone

[signal grail]

wait wtf

thats insane

||i already had a thought the roaring knight might be asriel because he has a similar screen wide "inhale-exhale" attack||

[nocturne mango]

the j is real

[cold coyote]

i got the.. || shadow mantle!! || i say with a broken spine and bones
c3

[mighty pagoda]

||okay|| (ch3)

[mighty pagoda]

||HUH|| (ch3)

||okay chapter 3 done😌 ||

[lone tusk]

green lizard?!? (ch3)

[mighty pagoda]

lmfao (ch4)

[broken solstice]

Wohoo finally beat ||Roaring Knight|| (ch3 end spoilers)

||also damn that weapon is strong||

[signal grail]

||i just finished the chapter 4 weird route||

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1107250902034825326/1107593804086784102/attachment.gif

[mighty pagoda]

||does anyone have the battle theme of roaring knight in the end of chapter 3? dont wanna get spoilered from youtube|| (ch3)

[signal grail]

||https://m.soundcloud.com/tobyfox-music/black-knife||

[plain canyon]

im absolutely tweaking
never before have i spent so long trying to find every secret in a game before

[signal grail]

good luck

[mighty pagoda]

#downpour-server-challenges message ||this is literally this image|| (ch3)

[woven tulip]

does chapter 3 have any secret recruits?

like the hacker and the tiny car in chapter 2

[somber ember]

Car?

You can recruit a car?

[woven tulip]

yes

if you hit less than 4 cars in the car segment

[somber ember]

:glape:

Didn't know that, thanks!

[woven tulip]

ch3 spoilers
||also the original starwalker, i guess . kinda surprised starwalker appears in the chapter 3 , i guess probably in every chapter, i dunno yet, because i didn’t play 4th yet)||

very funny

so yeah, i wonder if there are any secret recruits in chapter 3.

i found ||a trashcan who says they refuse to move to our town|| which is like opposite

[mighty pagoda]

||question: is it possible to beat roaring knight in the end of chapter 3?|| (ch3)

[prisma zealot]

the last thing you should do is doubt a toby fox fan

[mighty pagoda]

||i like the aesthetics of chapter's 4 dark world btw|| (ch4)

[somber ember]

||Yes, there is actually a side quest for it.||
Hint: ||Gotta get S ranks||
Bigger spoiler: ||It's the secret boss of chapter 3 lol||
(ch3)

[mighty pagoda]

oh okay!

||so i have to replay it with S-ranks?||

||like, get the 2 S ranks||

||okay, i guess ill try that whenever i replay ch3||

[somber ember]

||Yeah, and play the minigame behind S rank door each time. Also return to s rank door when you're near the endgame (when the green room is empty)|| (ch3)

[mighty pagoda]

||i did go to the green room near endgame||

||and went in the S-rank door too||

[haughty siren]

||istg even with the shadow mantle the knight fight in chapter 3 is impossible for me||

[mighty pagoda]

||same question but for the first church battle theme|| (ch4)

[prisma zealot]

yeah its a challenge

[somber ember]

https://tobyfox.bandcamp.com/album/deltarune-chapters-3-4-ost

Doesn't have ch4 secret boss

Otherwise they should be there?

ch3 secret boss and ch4 ||battle theme ||are there

[somber ember]

||Secret boss is called "Black Knife"
and ch4 battle theme is "called from now on (battle 2)"||

[mighty pagoda]

||already have black knife||

||thanks for the name of the battle theme though||

[somber ember]

Of course

ch4 secret boss theme is zeeljod

[mighty pagoda]

||ill make sure to find the boss eventually||

[woven tulip]

also don’t look up soundtracks

there are spoilers

almost any game has spoilers there, including rain world

wait, no rw discussions 💔

thread should have been in #spoiler-bigenderal so i could spoiler rain world in deltarune chat

[blissful ivy]

||why did they smile||

also i got the ||shadowmantle||
||fought the knight, got into the lightworld and immidietly quit because i want to get the shadowcrystal||
||is it even possible||

[woven tulip]

wait, i think i realized something.

early ch3, and undertale spoilers.
||in the cutscene at the beginning, the example darkner has a silhouette of endogeny.||

||perhaps, darkners and amalgams have parallels. both are created by determination (via dark fountains, which are created using determination), from non alive, or dead objects.||

[somber ember]

||Yeah, you need to reach 75% health-ish. Focus on letting susie deal rude busters||

[blissful ivy]

||do i have to fight||

||isnt there another way.||

[somber ember]

||Yes, there is no other option||

[blissful ivy]

||that wont ruin my pacifist run?||

[somber ember]

||Nope. ||

[blissful ivy]

alr then

||time to delta this rune!!||

[somber ember]

First we delta and then we rune

Let's deltarune!

[blissful ivy]

delta runing today

[mighty pagoda]

hop on deltarune chapter 3 & 4

[prisma zealot]

yuh

🥬

[woven tulip]

but would getting the ||mantle||?

||you have to kill enemies, but they are in mini game characters, so they aren’t real, but still||

[blissful ivy]

||killing those doesnt do anything||

[somber ember]

||Killing there won't ruin your pacifist run. It is required however|| (ch3 secret boss)

||Note that game tells you in chapter 1 that not all battles can be won through pacifism. There will be instances in future chapters were you have to fight|| (light spoilers for chapters 4)

[broken solstice]

damn ||Dark Souls reference|| in ch4

[somber ember]

Wait, where? :glape:

[broken solstice]

||Old Man dialogue, talking about a door locked with some contraption with you needing to go to East Belltower to unlock it||

or maybe I am just going insane

[somber ember]

Oh, flew over my head

||Tunic has an east belltower || (ch4)

[broken solstice]

||Tunic doesnt have the Locked By Some Contraption iconic text tho||

[somber ember]

You're probably right

[supple belfry]

just finished chap 3 and already started chap 4. coolio

[somber skiff]

oh?

WHAT

THAT'S SICK

[somber skiff]

LMAO

[mighty pagoda]

||they made ralsei plush real in chapter 3||

[pearl flint]

i forgot how utterly horrible the snowgrave route is i dont want to do this shit

[somber skiff]

HOLY

[somber skiff]

real

[somber skiff]

WHAT

?!?!?!?!

WAITWAITWAIT WHAT

wait i need to reload my save i forgor smth important

[mighty pagoda]

[somber skiff]

WHAT ||at least i have the mantle this time||

||wtf is the roaring knight||

[woven tulip]

lol

||toriel calls the police in chapter 2||

that probably was the only theory that is right, in chapter 3

[somber skiff]

fair

[woven tulip]

interestingly, ||undyne uses spears like in undertale||

[somber skiff]

yea

||i think im getting better at roaring knight||

[woven tulip]

||and toriel is a queen. interesting dark world designs, we didn’t see undertale’s returning characters in the dark world before, except annoying dog ||

[somber skiff]

yea

[prisma zealot]

okay snowgrave tiiimeee

[somber ember]

||One of my theories for chapter 3 was that toriel would join your party and you could do a snowgrave route with her
How wrong I was || (ch3)

[somber skiff]

||I BEAT HIM||

[somber skiff]

i still think this might be the hardest boss toby fox ever made

who knows maybe ch4 will top this

[prisma zealot]

i thought that would happen too

[finite sky]

gj i just did this like an hour ago holy shit

the ||aura farming|| in these new chapters is crazy

[somber skiff]

ikrrrr

[blissful ivy]

okay so

i want to ||get the secret ending||

do i have to ||quit my game and restart every time i appear in the lightworld or||

[finite sky]

||secret ending?||

[halcyon finch]

||lose and finish the chapter and then reload your save and it lets you retry without closing your game||

[finite sky]

ohhh yeah what they said

||since theres no save points beyond that point anyway||

[blissful ivy]

||he knows what i am doing.||

||??||

[finite sky]

LOL

i guess more of a moment

[oblique lotus]

ou yeah i made a gif yesterday (ch3)

[mighty pagoda]

oh this is awesome. im saving that

||Tv "Ant" Tenna does have some funny moves||

[somber ember]

||Aura farming?|| (ch4)

[somber ember]

||Damn, well done! They're a tough one|| (ch3 secret boss)

[finite sky]

hahaa...

[somber skiff]

thx :)

anyway early ch4 spoiler ||HOLY NOELMUM IS TERRIFYING ALSO WTF IS WITH KRIS'ES BODY IS HE BEING POESESSED BY THE ROARING KNIGHT OR SMTH WTF||

[broken solstice]

Second part of ch4 spoilers
||fym Asgore is a part of prophecy||

[mild hull]

uhhhhmmmmm

probably not

btw PSA for anyone here

if you've beaten C4, reload your save! There's a neat bit of post-completion content I just found

you'll see what it is

[somber skiff]

damn

[somber ember]

Thanks kalum

[somber skiff]

i just had the most peak battle in ch4

[signal grail]

||the possession is by the player, we dont know how it happened or what kris' personal motives are though. its possible the soul entering kris' body is related to the roaring knight||

[somber skiff]

damn

also ||didn't expect ch4 to give me a life lesson with susie's healing thingy||

[signal grail]

any character who has a custom icon when they speak is basically guaranteed to be important

[somber skiff]

yea

idk the context

but yea

[signal grail]

||i think its a shame we dont really get to interact with any new characters even though they were heavily set up to be in the dark world at the end of ch2||

[signal grail]

fuck 😭

[mild hull]

👻

[signal grail]

im pretty sure the only one i missed was ||shadow guy just because i didnt grind out encounters or something||

[mild hull]

||oh, you just missed a specific cutscene where you get like 20 at once :^)||

[signal grail]

wtf where

[mild hull]

towards the end I think

||big room with a bunch lined up playing a game where they have to file paperwork, and you destroy the paperwork and they all thank you and recruit themselves||

||in the stealth sequence area for sure||

[signal grail]

oh i didnt know you could interact with that

im gonna see if its any different on the ||weird route||

it doesnt appear to be

[rocky hemlock]

chat

is it me or does the song "||the third sanctuary||" sound like a phone ringtone

[somber skiff]

WHAT LAMO

[covert karma]

no, thats exactly what i thought too

[gaunt jacinth]

LMAO same here

[rocky hemlock]

It's literally a ringtone

[covert karma]

lets get crazy here, we know kris is ||getting called by someone|| throughout the chapter. could be that

[rapid flame]

delatruje

[prisma zealot]

(major chapter 3 spoilers) i just beat ||the roaring knight without any of my party members falling down||

[rapid flame]

||i thought that was an impossible figjt what||
||new thing to struggle through for hours :D||

[prisma zealot]

||it is much more doable if you defeat another secret boss||

[signal grail]

nope, its just very hard

[rapid flame]

||oh right... i forgot what i got from that :D||

[rapid flame]

||i died instantly it was a real "im supposed to die here right?!" moment||

[somber skiff]

wait huh

so this whole time i was on a secret boss sidequest?!?!?!?!

[signal grail]

yes

[somber skiff]

LMAO

[prisma zealot]

yeah i was suprised by that too

[signal grail]

yeah i died real fast too 😭

[hushed raptor]

||i love the knight’s design so much guys||

[somber skiff]

same

[prisma zealot]

it was much less out of your way than the previous one

[somber skiff]

yea

[hushed raptor]

they’re so gender

[signal grail]

it feels pretty on par with the chapter 1 and 2 secret bossess

[somber skiff]

YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO CUT ME OFF-

[signal grail]

chapter 1 is pretty much identical really

[prisma zealot]

yeah

[oblique ridge]

||Wait what hang on once you get downed it instantly moves to the test of the game how||

[somber skiff]

yea

[signal grail]

||you can reload to your previous save, i also think theres a prompt to quick restart on your second+ attempt||

[oblique ridge]

||BUT WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT||

[hushed raptor]

dramatic audio DELTARUNE

[prisma zealot]

so you can win

[signal grail]

||the chapter 3 shadow crystal is from the roaring knight||

[gusty apex]

Detarunm… yesteryesterday

[gusty apex]

||You need something to stand a chance at getting it, though…||

[signal grail]

yeah

[gusty apex]

||But honestly it was so difficult I had to beat it the first time on a Weird Route save ;w;||

[signal grail]

||i beat it on no mercy but i kinda forgot that even levels you up 😭||

[gusty apex]

Speaking of which (No heavy spoilers) ||Anyone else see there’s weird route content in Chapter 4?||

[signal grail]

i finished that yesterday

[gusty apex]

same

The fact that ||Dark World items are just objects or simpler versions of themselves in the Light World implies the object the Thorn Ring is based off of is a thorn|| is just

✨ Terrible ✨

[signal grail]

😭

[somber skiff]

damn

[signal grail]

wtf 😭

[mild hull]

Non-specific Non-Spoiler Thing About C3-4

||WOW there's a lot of branching dialogue paths with talking to ralsei and ignoring the request to see what susie is doing||

I'm currently getting one at a time and then resetting from the nearest save `cause there's one super nearby

[signal grail]

yeah lol

do you know about ||The branching path||

[mild hull]

That's Very Vague

[signal grail]

if you know what it is youll know what im talking about

if you dont, you wont

[mild hull]

||In particular I do recall choosing to see the knight in one cutscene||

shrug

[signal grail]

does he know? (he doesnt)

[mild hull]

I also found a neat little dialogue from ralsei that implies ||ralsei is fully aware that he looks like asriel||

[lofty stone]

chapter 4 spoiler

||YOURE LONG||

[mild hull]

they pretty much say the whole sentence without saying the name

[mild hull]

your*

[lofty stone]

WAIT IT WAS YOUR? 😭

[signal grail]

your

[mild hull]

you gotta be more specific here 🤏

[signal grail]

||part of this makes me think that asriel is the roaring knight, i think that would mean it makes sense for ralsei to have so much knowledge about the world||

[signal grail]

nuh uh

[mild hull]

is it a weird route thing 🤨

if so, that's the only stuff I've been avoiding

I'm currently playing through weird C3 right now

[signal grail]

no comment

i wish you good luck on your weird route journey though 🙏

[hushed raptor]

i think ||the roaring knights dess bc of the horns being like noelles||

[signal grail]

thats possible too

i heard someone say it might be ||noelles dad|| too, but i dont remember their reasoning

[strong olive]

I beat the ||Roaring Knight|| today!!! As someone who's never fought ||Sans|| out of fear, I was almost unsure I could do it, but here we are!!!

"I can do anything!!!"

[signal grail]

||roaring knight is a more complex fight than sans imo, you could totally beat him if you wanted to||

congrats

[somber skiff]

WIFOANWDNOWAND WHATTTT (major ch4 spoiler)

[somber skiff]

💀

[plain canyon]

I completely forgot about that

[somber skiff]

nah peak chapter

[glacial cargo]

these kinds of jokes arent allowed here, sorry

[plucky bough]

GIRL I'VE DIED TO TS LIKE 10 TIMES VRO

[somber skiff]

what can i say im just built different

[plain canyon]

i found the ||titan boss|| pretty easy tbh

[somber skiff]

same ngl

it was epic tho

[plain canyon]

yeah

||roaring knight was cooler in my opinion tho||

[somber skiff]

idk its debatable

[plain canyon]

very

i just liked the ||roaring knights|| fight alot more
even tho doing it made me want to punch a hole through my computer screen

[somber skiff]

||but roaring has the upper hand in sheer shock value||

[plain canyon]

ye

[signal grail]

||yeah it was actually kinda disappointing to me in terms of fight difficulty, though i suppose it is an intended required fight so it kinda cant compete with chapter 3||

[somber skiff]

||it's not gonna be harder than goddamn secret boss||

also ||ur not supposed to win against roaring knight if ur not going for shadow crystals||

[plain canyon]

||i do wish they added atleast a bit more diffuculty to the fight tho||

[somber skiff]

same tho

[plain canyon]

||like its a titan and we kill it THAT easily??||

[signal grail]

||the difficult part will be probably when the roaring knight decides to sic multiple titans on us at once, or perhaps we had to abandon our party for whatever reason||

[mild hull]

||I feel like it was easier than Tenna, which means it's probably a bit undertuned 🤏||

[signal grail]

||think normal spamton vs weird route spamton||

[signal grail]

i dont remember that fight at all honestly 😭

[somber skiff]

yea

[mild hull]

||where do you all think the Cold Place (snowy looking area at end of C3) is within the house?|| 🧐
||I see christmas tree and think attic, but I really got nothin.||

(Overall C3 spoilers)

[plain canyon]

||thats something ive never actually thought about||

[mild hull]

||alright time to first try roaring knight for weird route run 💥💥💥||

[signal grail]

||probably the fridge or near the kitchen, you go in the kitchen direction when you wake up in the dark world||

[signal grail]

ok i looked it up and ||i think its would only be "more" difficult by virtue of being in a different genre, his actual deltarune attacks are relatively simple i think?||

||maybe it would be better if you had something to dodge after jumping in the titan rather than fully being a cutscene||

[mild hull]

aww man I got like 1 turn away

[mild hull]

||titan really doesnt have any variety and the execution skill is fairly low overall. I think even with that stuff in mind, it's easier personally||

[mild hull]

||as it was happening I was totally convinced it was gonna follow the classic JRPG "Fight a god and then go inside the god and fight it's heart" thing||

[signal grail]

true

[signal grail]

||the finger attack is probably its hardest one, i like that||

||also if you keep fighting after it heals it shoots 3 balls from its face and i think the darkness enemies are increased so maybe they could be implemented earlier in the fight||

||youre not meant to fight it after gerson shows up so idrk why that phase is there||

[cold coyote]

I FOUDN HIM
I FOUND PLUEY
c4

[supple belfry]

bro i suck at ||jackenstein|| 😭

[signal grail]

||you can use acts instead of defending that can make it easier||

[supple belfry]

||nah i cant do mazes fast enough. i got too used to rain world gameplay atm||

[signal grail]

||kris' act makes the heart faster, the mazes are also the same every time so you can memorise the layout||

[plain canyon]

||i was lowkey suprised that jackensteins fight was hard||
||but tbh it was also kinda funny||

[mild hull]

Did a lot better on ||Roaring Knight|| this time compared to last time 😌

[spice dune]

Deltarune tomorrow was 3 days ago

[supple belfry]

ig so...

||imma go map out the large maze after the too too maze one. what the hell was that large one. im literally lost on that one||

[signal grail]

i dont remember 😭

[supple belfry]

||they should have used "mama mia thats a spicy meatball" imo||

||ok i mapped it out in my mind, but omfg its just world's impossible game part 2||

[signal grail]

||what is ramb supposed to be||

[mild hull]

@signal grail got the thing I can only assume you were talking about

gross

[signal grail]

yeah

😭

its awful

[mild hull]

||anything notable from dark world entry onwards?||

just wanna know if I should push further tonight or not worry about it

[signal grail]

oh you didnt get the thing i was talking about

||its in the dark world||

[mild hull]

oh? ||I'm thinking of the interaction with noelle in her house on weird route 🤔||

||had to reload my save to prevent weird route from being aborted because I did it wrong the first time||

[signal grail]

||the route isnt drastically changed like it is with snowgrave, but there are key differences in some parts of the dialogue||

||you should still finish it whenever you have the time||

[signal grail]

||yeah that was just weird route entry, i was thinking about one of the paths in the susie-close-eyes scene||

[mild hull]

ah, I'll have to do all of the branching options on that one next time I get to it

||I only did the one where you see the knight last time; totally forgot whatever was said in it||

I remember it feeling important

[signal grail]

||something about jockington sitting on eggs LOL||

||it seems like kris is trying to block out their knowledge of the knight to the player||

[mild hull]

||I think kris would like for others to know that we're possessing them in weird route, but without us being able to learn about that||

||tbh I thought the C5 cliffhanger was gonna be susie finding out|| (even in normal route)

the C5 cliffhanger did kinda confuse me though

[signal grail]

interesting 🤔

[signal grail]

what was it again

[mild hull]

||kris about to jump out of the bedroom window to presumably go talk to susie, but phone call from (presumably carol) reminding them of some 'promise' makes thems stay||

and susie has some weird line

[signal grail]

||if youre right about this, maybe the promise is to keep the soul a secret||

||and kris was about to go tell susie||

||weird route dialogue also implies they could be going to see noelle i think?||

[mild hull]

SPOOILLLERSS 🙄

[mild hull]

also unrelated but ||I bet the dreemur and holiday houses are pretty close together from a top-down perspective, so it might be a really close walk for kris to get from the bathroom window to the holiday house||

minor detail but just makes sense

[signal grail]

nuh uh you already saw it

||during the weird house scene noelle tells us kris went to see her||

[mild hull]

oh, I thought you were implying that ||Kris would be implied to go visit noelle at the end of C4||

[signal grail]

nah i wouldnt spoil anything about that 🤫

YIPPEE!!!!!

[lone tusk]

kinda

[mighty pagoda]

I already got answers

[lone tusk]

holy crap how scrolled up am i

[signal grail]

||the place right before it looks like its literally inside the tv and it has parental locks so... maybe its behind tenna?? the snow could be more representative of accumulated dust or something||

||but you do also leave the light world in the same direction and it goes directly outside 🤔||

||YOU CAN MAKE HORSE RALSEI JUMP||

[signal grail]

||holy fuck the volume up + shuttah combo LOL||

[mighty pagoda]

||wtf undyne battle mechanics in deltarune|| (ch4)

[signal grail]

YEAHHHHHHHHH

[mighty pagoda]

||this is so cool||

[supple belfry]

ok FINALLY ||im at some boss fight in susie's dark world||

[mighty pagoda]

||holy shit|| (ch4 endgame i think)

||PEAK|| (ch4 endgame)

[signal grail]

||forgot to save inbetween tenna and roaring knight and now i have to redo tenna bc i wanted to swap my items around 😭||

||the fight itself is pretty fun its just so much UNSKIPPABLE CUTSCENE||

[somber ember]

If you didn't know, holding c will at least go through dialogue super quick

[mighty pagoda]

(ctrl works too i think)

[somber ember]

Still have to watch the cutscenes, however

[mighty pagoda]

yeah ctrl works

[sharp quarry]

roulx fight is CRAZY lmao

[mighty pagoda]

🙂

||both chapter 3 and 4 were peak||

[signal grail]

real

[signal grail]

yeah i know about that

||the lock symbols on the shelter are so interesting||

[mighty pagoda]

|| @somber ember do i have to start from new save file so i can gain S rank on the first board?||

[signal grail]

yes

[somber ember]

what lyn said

[mighty pagoda]

[somber ember]

There is another way, however

||Get F rank on everything lol|| (ch3 secret boss)

[signal grail]

apparently its actually hard to do that ||on the rhythm minigame|| 😭😭

||wait tenna is fixed ||

[rocky hemlock]

chat i just beat delarune chapter 4

[signal grail]

peak

[rocky hemlock]

now

where the fuck is the secret boss

[sharp quarry]

gang ||DID UNDYNE JUST GET KIDNAPPED?!?!?||

[rocky hemlock]

yes

rip undyne the undying

[woven tulip]

ch3 spoiler
||didn't realize the secret mini game would be added to the tenna battle (it doesn't appear if not unlocked) ||

[sharp quarry]

||i unlocked it and it didnt show it to me , except the end||

[sharp quarry]

UNDERTALE TORIEL REAL?!!?!

[mighty pagoda]

hell yeah (ch3)

[signal grail]

||YOU CAN GIVE YOUR PARTY SILLY HATS||

aw it only lasts for 1 room

[mighty pagoda]

|| @somber ember do i have to get S rank only one the boards or just everywhere?||

[devout sparrow]

very early chapter 4 spoilers. deeply satisfying to me. finally i can resume playing.

[somber ember]

||You need S rank on both boards||

[mighty pagoda]

||ah so just boards, thanks!||

[devout sparrow]

also can someone whos beaten chapter 4 answer this in a yes or no manner: ||does going through the chapter unlock more music minigames to play, now that i've t ranked all three available i feel mildly lost||

oops early send let me edit that

[mighty pagoda]

||2nd S rank gotten|| (ch3)

[woven tulip]

ch3 endgame
||okay, the secret both is hard . but tbh jevil's attacks felt more unfair lol, despite these almost oneshotting. well, some are kinda unfair ||

[mighty pagoda]

||what am i supossed to do here... i need help|| (ch3)

[woven tulip]

||follow them||

or more accurately, ||they follow you||

[woven tulip]

||thanks gaster for putting a checkpoint right before the fight || ch3 secret
||the worst thing in games about such bosses, is you have to go through path to them every time , hello hollow knight||

[mighty pagoda]

||yeah but, they just stop in the middle randomly||

[woven tulip]

yes

try other paths

[mighty pagoda]

oh i got it

[prisma zealot]

||yeah its really easy after you beat it for the first time lol||

HOLY FUCK HES DEAD AS SHIT (chapter 4 snowgrave(?) spoilers)

🤫

[signal grail]

||is it possible to reach the telescope in this room||

[mighty pagoda]

||yes||

[signal grail]

how

[mighty pagoda]

||you move the block here||

[signal grail]

idk the inputs to get it there

[glass lance]

||say that again||

[glacial cargo]

i tried to get it to go there but there wasn't a way i could find

discord thanks for

not scrolling down

[glacial cargo]

meant to reply to this

[mighty pagoda]

||i dont remember that puzzle already its been only 1 day||

||but its definitely possible||

[prisma zealot]

yeah its possible

[blissful ivy]

playing undertale sans fangames until I'm ready for the ||knight||

[prisma zealot]

jesus fucking christ

chapter 4 post snowgrave

[woven tulip]

well it’s hard .

||...but i realized i kinda forget to actually attack later, and tried heal so of course i’m losing ||

||amazing how some attacks i can consistently do no hit, but others are like impossible to not get constantly damaged ||

||the knife tunnel attack, idk it’s name ||

[somber skiff]

||YOU'RE LONG||

[somber skiff]

noway

[supple belfry]

just got to ||the titan bossfight||

||bro i thought that was the Valve logo bc of the first shadow lmfao||

[woven tulip]

ch3 ||the mini games are lowkey fun, i kinda hope some would be in the castle town, well, i will see it, it’s a rhetorical question ||

[somber skiff]

lmao

[supple belfry]

i also forgot to screenshot the moments 😔

||would be funny to shitpost it to the half life subreddit that its "half-life 3 confirmed"||

[somber skiff]

yea lol

[supple belfry]

||btw they are currently in copium overdose over the whole SGF and HL3 announcement (nothing ever happens; there was no hl3 announcement, but that host somehow teasing them like last year, based on what ive heard)||

[somber skiff]

lmao

[prisma zealot]

||black knife is my new big shot|| deltarune chapter 3 spoilers

[cursive ravine]

Pluey is actually pretty fun

[supple belfry]

||bro that chap 4 ending 😭||

||DELTARUNE NEXT YEAR????||

[mighty pagoda]

yep

[supple belfry]

welp cya then

||yeah, i think the person behind Kris' phone is definitely the Knight. still wondering who tho, or what. been thinking if its Asriel, but that's a bit unlikely considering how they moved in and out and etc. hopefully chapter 5 clears it out|| endgame spoilers

[broken solstice]

Endgame spoilers
||imo I think the Knight is either Dess or Carol, due to how the Knight looks like. Tho I'd say Carol is more likely, with how she wants to hide the code on the guitar and invites Kris (who is likely helping the knight) to their house again||

[prisma zealot]

chapter 4 spoilers

[mild hull]

pretty sure ||phone person is carol. they mention that they'll "be right over" when kris mentions susie has the guitar, and then carol shows up and is super protective of it||

[broken solstice]

||Also in that scene, Carol seems to put a hand on their shoulder like how Knight puts their sword on the Kris' shoulder in post-fight scene||

[prisma zealot]

nodnod

[somber ember]

||Have y'all seen the second asgore seen in carol's house? It's pretty cool ||(ch4)

[mighty pagoda]

||second asgore scene? havent heard of that||

[somber ember]

||In carol's room after he leaves the bathroom||

[mighty pagoda]

||carol is noelle's mom right||

[somber ember]

Yes

https://www.reddit.com/r/Deltarune/comments/1l5ej2s/i_dont_see_many_people_talking_about_this_scene/

Here's a video of it

Strongly recommend you don't watch it unless you've seen ||the second asgore scene in carol's room ||(ch4)

[mighty pagoda]

||what's carol room in the first place||

[somber ember]

||Asgore has a freaking dark shard. || (spoiler for vid above ch4)

[blissful ivy]

i no hit four of them and then i die at ||the knight||'s third attack

does anyone know how do i survive ||the sword attack|| thing

[mighty pagoda]

||i cant stop listening to ch4 ost🔥||

||its just that peak||

[prisma zealot]

true

[mild hull]

||look at your soul, not in front of it. make small adjustments rather than big ones.||

[mighty pagoda]

||like crumbling tower or SPAWN are so fucking cool, GUARDIAN maybe too||

[prisma zealot]

man im so bored

im gonna go like

defeat ||the roaring knight|| like twenty times (chapter 3 soilers)

[broken solstice]

iirc you can hold X to move slower

||look at the soul and move slowly up and down for first and third sword wave attack, and stay in middle and move along the swords in the second one||

And ofc, if you take damage, quickly move in opposite direction

[supple belfry]

||the same phone person at the end too?|| chp4

[mild hull]

I imagine itd just be one person, yeah

[somber skiff]

so true

[signal grail]

(ch4) ||one thing i think is really interesting about the gerson fight is that his story is blatantly based on the prophecy||

||susie saying she wants the story to not have an ending and go on forever is really interesting, i saw one comment saying that they think the only way to save the world is to close off the dark world permanently||

||and thats antithetical to susies belief that things shouldnt have to end||

||gerson also doesnt state anything that happens in chapter 6, just that it was the last one written||

||so methinks thats when the weird route differences may culminate and the fallout of that is explored and resolved in chapter 7||

[somber ember]

||I think susie is so goated she will change the "ending" and prophesy . Prophesy already seems not entirely truly so far? Ralsei is surprised by the titan and the fact we actually beat it.
Also Gerson is very clear that susie doesn't have to follow it|| (ch4)

[signal grail]

||he seems surprised but he directly states after he thought we could change the prophecy by being kind but its still the same||

||so its possible the titan encounter was just not written||

[somber ember]

||Freedom is certainly a big theme at least
Also I love gerson so much as a secret boss, he is soooo cool. Didn't need the crystal because he was already free || (ch4 secret boss)

[somber ember]

Perhaps, you have a good point :p

[signal grail]

||susie being the one to change the ending is totally possible though, shes already bent several rules of the game the whole way through (refuses your command and becomes and enemy in chapter 1, chooses her own ACT in chapter 2, swaps controllers + steals the power croissant in 3 and in 4 she is VERY adamant on changing the prophecy||

[somber ember]

Actually, I saw a pretty neat theory

[signal grail]

||i cant remember any rules she actually breaks in 4 so far but it does set her up as a character who can learn powerful new skills||

[somber ember]

||Susie is not the monster in the prophesy, noelle is. The picture of the second hero most looks nothing like susie, it wields a sword for instance. || (ch4)

[signal grail]

ive seen that too yeah

[somber ember]

||And last was the girl. At last was the girl.
Something like that
Final image with the act icon, which looks like a roar. (also the image on the carpet in her bedroom in ralsei's castle) ||

(ch4)

[mighty pagoda]

spoiler tag fail🤫🤫

[signal grail]

||in the lovestruck prophecy we also already know noelle is very in love with susie||

[mighty pagoda]

or is it spoilered wait

[somber ember]

Oh damn

What the hell discord

[mighty pagoda]

discord is tweaking

in the reply it was spoilered

so i got confused there

[somber ember]

||I think the final boss is gonna be the angel or something, mentioned in the angel's heaven|| (ch4)

[signal grail]

i like that theory but ||i really do hope susie is the hero. if it turns out not to be her its going to be so heartbreaking 😭 (even though she was still able to make so much positive progress WITHOUT it being predestined by a prophecy)||

[somber ember]

||The knight seems to me like a chapter 6 boss or boss before the final boss in chapter 7|| (ch4)

[signal grail]

||she says she was picked for something in a way that cant be erased which sounds like heavily foreshadowing dialogue 😭||

[somber ember]

I love susie so much

My favourite character so far

[signal grail]

the angels heaven is in the chapter 1 prophecy

[signal grail]

susie is ostensibly the protagonist of this game

shes so cool

[mild hull]

||shoutout to the prophecy writers for including that lancer would say "toothpaste boy" but not the fight against a god-being||

also unrelated but I came here to say ||I think the reason it's snowy in the end of C3 (including the overlay on the green room) is because snow is another word for TV noise/static. It's just a stupid pun 💔||

[somber ember]

||I respect their priorities 🔥
Lancer is the best after all||

[mild hull]

of course, it's probably dual-meaning'd there

[signal grail]

oh thats so true

[somber ember]

Hmm, I think there is more meaning to it

[signal grail]

||its absolutely so important to hinting snowgrave though||

[somber ember]

Yeah

||Snow is a very important theme to the snowgrave route and that weird shadow mantle quest|| (ch3 secret)

[signal grail]

||chapter 3 is just a snowgrave goose chase with the secret boss stuff, and chapter 4s ending in the games current context is to encourage you to go back with the hints you learned and try to change the prophecy||

||i think thats so very cool for a new player to experience and im kinda sad i didnt get to||

[somber ember]

Gonna be funny once all chapters release

Since you can start with any chapter

Start with chapter 7 💥

[signal grail]

||it also has one that says jockington will grow a beard LMFAO||

[mild hull]

||woohoo, first-tried gerson on my snowgrave file 😌 ||

[prisma zealot]

😌

[mild hull]

||(Just ignore that I put a bunch of attempts on main file before that)||

[prisma zealot]

||i had to redo chapter 4 because i had to beat the roaring knight in chapter 3||

||and now ill have to redo it AGAIN to get the eggs||

[signal grail]

||honestly it might be valuable to lose just once to grind up her heal spell a little bit more 😭||

||unless it scales a lot faster in chapter 5||

[mild hull]

I'm not even gonna worry about those, I'm leaving that to future me that is more motivated to do it once C5 comes out

[signal grail]

ive already replayed chapter 4 like 6 or 7 times

[mild hull]

||does it actively get better as you use it in C4?||

[prisma zealot]

good chapter

[signal grail]

||yes but i think its only after she specifically asks you to use it more||

[mighty pagoda]

||the titan bossfight really hit me🥹|| (ch4)

[prisma zealot]

i still havent finished chapter 4 snowgrave

[mighty pagoda]

||i WASNT expecting that||

[signal grail]

||it gives more healing and costs less tp, but the gains are relatively small||

||still it makes it a lot better proportionally||

[mild hull]

@signal grail 👁️

[prisma zealot]

lets have a watch 👀

[signal grail]

👁️

the branch has been snapped

[slate verge]

has anyone found the moss for ch3?

[mighty pagoda]

||its in the 2nd board of Tv "Ant" Tenna show||

[slate verge]

thanks!

[somber skiff]

||oh yea you can eat the moss in ch3||

guys

||what's the weird route||

||does it have smth to do with snowgrave||

[mild hull]

||I believe it's the internal code name for the snowgrave route; it has become more widely adopted with C3&4 because the route is more than that now||

[somber skiff]

ah

wellll

||ig my deltarune adventure isn't over yet||

||(god no i have a week worth of exam tmr i gotta revise instad of doing weird route)||

[mild hull]

||yeah I'm currently running through C4 on weird route||

[somber skiff]

damn

[mild hull]

btw C4 lore question

||Do you all think "The Cage" refers to us or kris? I could see it go either way, because we're like a cage imprisoning kris, but at the same time kris literally surrounds us. "With human soul and parts" could also kinda go either way||

[mild hull]

||considering we're the one that seals fountains, I think it's probably us 🤔||

(utter scam, I pasted all of these together and played the whole thing perfectly myself and it forced me to fail the last note)

[woven tulip]

does copying save slots affect anything?

i copyied (via ingame menu) ch2 save because i missed things in ch3

[heady fossil]

Time to play all of Chap. 1 & 2 and do a good route and weird route

Man
Screw Jevil

Anyone have tips for Jevil?

Currently trying to do pacifist (no attacking) so

Nvm HELL YEA I DID IT

Scratch that

I died on the last attack

[prisma zealot]

uhh

survive

hope this helped!

[woven tulip]

which is impossible since the king has to be attacked

it’s probably more accurately to be called "all recruits route", since it can be necessary to attack

[heady fossil]

True

I beat Jevil though!!!

[broken solstice]

If you just spam defend, King eventually gets tired out and automatically finishes the fight

[heady fossil]

Really?

I swear if that's a lie-

Only one way to test it

[woven tulip]

wait maybe

you can’t do the same with chapter 2 though

[somber skiff]

GG

[somber skiff]

jevil

[somber ember]

?

[somber skiff]

dont get hit

[somber ember]

You can beat both queen and king pacifist

No attacking needed

[somber skiff]

and try to either hit him back or put him to sleep

[somber skiff]

no way i thought u have to fight king

like the mercy bar is literally crossed out

[woven tulip]

thrash machines attacks count as attack

[somber skiff]

same for mega queen

[woven tulip]

they lower hp

[somber ember]

||You're only forced to attack in chapter 4 against the titan boss (chapter 3 if you want to beat the secret boss but it is not needed to progress)|| (ch4)

[heady fossil]

YOU CAN??? PEAK

[somber ember]

Ah, that is true

[somber skiff]

wild

[somber ember]

I didn't count it in my mind

[somber skiff]

yea

[somber ember]

Nope, can just wait it out, he'll tire himself lol

[woven tulip]

it’s like with spells, it damage dealing mechanic but isn’t normal attack

in contrast in ch3, ||heart bullets in minigames do not count||

[somber skiff]

damn

its more fun to fight tho

same outcome

[somber ember]

It's faster to fight ye

And changes nothing

[oblique lotus]

GYUS

[woven tulip]

it changes nothing though

yeah

[somber skiff]

also its like the one fight in ch1 where you can fully use rude buster

[oblique lotus]

(ch 3) static by flavor foley

making it

now

draeing it

thumbs up

[somber skiff]

unless u wanna fight jevil

[oblique lotus]

disappears

[somber skiff]

real

[somber ember]

Jevil tail is overall better I think

Than jevil's knife

[heady fossil]

I agree

[woven tulip]

jevil can be beaten pacifist

[heady fossil]

Adds magic, def, and ATK

[woven tulip]

it’s certainly better if you play as a pacifist

[somber ember]

Jevil's knife only decreases the TP cost of rude buster from 50% to 40%, but red buster, which is stronger, isn't affected

[heady fossil]

I DID KING PACIFIST HOLD UP

Yea it works

[somber skiff]

ngl i just pasifist both jevil and spamton neo

[heady fossil]

Just spammed defend

[somber skiff]

😭

gg tho

[prisma zealot]

you get red buster only in like 2 battles though

but yeah

red buster also should be affected

[somber ember]

That is true, but if you are doing pacifist you really don't need damage other than in some rare scenarios

[somber skiff]

yea

[somber ember]

And there are stronger weapons

[prisma zealot]

yeah

either way

[heady fossil]

There are

[somber skiff]

like if u fight chaos king

[woven tulip]

in these situations you would usually mainly use rude buster , which doesn’t really require buffs from weapons to be effective anyway

[somber ember]

Or if you want to take down queen's shield quickly (red busters are better there than toasting)

[woven tulip]

that’s not pacifist

[somber ember]

Damage can also be used to tire enemies if you get them to low hp, so there is that (kinda risky, don't want to knock anyone out and lose recruits)

[woven tulip]

well, it wouldn’t have a difference as long as you don’t actually beat enemies

but it’s kinda against the idea

[somber ember]

Beat em up to befriend em

[somber skiff]

i like toasting tho

its fun

[woven tulip]

you would miss all puns in acts, so why would you

[somber skiff]

exactly

plot twist: ||there's a secret way to spare the titan and you casually recruit it to the castle town|| (ch4 boss spoiler)

[heady fossil]

Time to make friends in chap 2

[somber skiff]

yayyyy

also consensus: should ||snowgrave route|| be spoilered or not

[heady fossil]

I think so

[somber skiff]

okie

[heady fossil]

It is a ||secret route|| after all (chap 2 soilers)

[pearl flint]

probably not necessary but just a polite thing to do

[somber skiff]

okie

[glass lance]

i think it depends on context

if the context is related to the impact ||snowgrave|| has on ch3/4 it should probably be spoilered, but if it's exclusively in the context of ch2 i don't think it's necessary

[woven tulip]

secrets are cool but kinda makes me overcautious about any mechanics.

what if sans in chapter 7 will tell "your ||crystals|| don’t count because save was copied"!

[somber skiff]

alr

anyways time to start deltarune ch1 to 4 again

but this time

murder

[woven tulip]

i would get 5 billion upvote post from this, though

[somber skiff]

😭

[somber ember]

No, don't worry

[somber skiff]

anyways time to speedrun ch1 cuz the good stuff starts in ch2

[somber ember]

Slayyyy

Pun intended :p

[somber skiff]

literally

[woven tulip]

it probably shouldn’t, since items are preserved but who knows tho

[somber ember]

||Oh yeah, the game actually stores the character you created at the start of the game|| (game file spoilers)

[somber skiff]

damn

uhhh

[somber ember]

||It doesn't actually delete it, unlike what it tells you. So I'm fairly sure we will see the vessel in some shape or form, either in story or as a joke|| (game file/future content spoiler potentially)

[somber skiff]

damn

||uhhh i named my pacifist one kris and my evil one ralsei||

[woven tulip]

||shouldn’t it be "created on chapter 1", since it’s a copy of chapter 2 from chapter 1 file||

[somber ember]

I dunno what you mean, sorry

[woven tulip]

||wouldn’t a copy of a file created in ch1 count as created in ch1 as well||

it copies time even, it probably should

[somber ember]

Yeah?

I think copied files are identical, haven't looked at the files however

[woven tulip]

while it’s also saved, it’s mostly for reöccurring jokes i think . like, moss, thrash machine, ||starwalker||

[somber skiff]

oh yea also this what i named my evil save file

[somber ember]

I meant that the options for how you create the vessel at the beginning of the game are saved

[woven tulip]

yeah

[somber ember]

Like what head you use, what torso, etc.

[somber skiff]

also not only am i gonna murder, ima completely bully ralsei

[somber ember]

The name you call yourself is used as the name for the town

for me it is Raventown lol

[somber skiff]

mine's Bananantown

[somber ember]

Based

[somber skiff]

and Evil Bananantown

[woven tulip]

but also better to save more than needed, if there would be new ideas

[somber skiff]

yea

[woven tulip]

this one is required

you have to put "Your own name" when you create any save

[heady fossil]

Mine is "Goodwilltown" because I'm using it for my recruit route LMAO

[woven tulip]

chapter 6 secret boss will only appear if you chosen favorite blood type D /j

[somber skiff]

lol

[somber skiff]

real

i actually put that for both my characters