Watcher server challenges

[radiant bay]

I picked LF for last cause idk where a flower is in sunlit port

[lean flicker]

I mean after the 1st echo

1 -> Echo (LF) -> K.C (3) -> CC -> K.C (5) -> SH

[halcyon tapir]

Oh right, LF echo requires k2

Shaded has to be first

[broken plover]

Hey is this the place where server challenges for watcher are being discussed?

Just yesterday I asked about it

[halcyon tapir]

Yeah that's what it's for

Ideas, as well as discussion of various interesting aspects that could be turned into challenges later

technically our cycle 0 win discussions and OE warp stuff isn't challenge related but the chalvers are nice to us

[radiant bay]

it's a challenge, just not a server challenge

also I want to come up with a cycle 0 server challenge concept but everything is too complicated and seed-dependent

one idea I had for a server challenge is entering and leaving all four rotted vanilla regions without sleeping (or saving by meeting an echo) but it might be fully RNG dependent to put you into all of them in a row

[sterile bison]

What happens when you tame a lizard and then meet an echo? (at the beginning)

[radiant bay]

it's happened to me before but idk if that's normal

[ocean comet]

afaik meeting the echo simply sets a new spawn position and otherwise counts as a death

[radiant bay]

but also increases karma like sleeping

[sterile bison]

so it would get reset? Same for 3rd encounter?

[ocean comet]

I think so

[ocean comet]

Karma is DeathPersistentSaveData, it isn't only changed upon hibernation

[halcyon tapir]

They'd come with through the portal

Stuff that comes in the portal is also saved when you die

Oh wait nvm I'm literally blind

[sterile bison]

So they would travel through the portal, but be untamed?

[halcyon tapir]

If it's the first 2 like you said then I believe they just work like regular echoes, but I'd have to test to make sure

Any other ones would retain the lizards relationships and stats n stuff

[broken plover]

Hmm... Cycle 0 challenge

I forget, does meeting the echo in this case make the cycle advance?

[halcyon tapir]

Nope, afaik

[radiant bay]

nope

[rotund perch]

Top left warp is to Rusted Wrecks, bottom right is to Aether Ridge

[radiant bay]

CC might have been a better third echo then but hey

means I didn't have to go through AR again

[halcyon tapir]

That's a cool map, where'd you get it?

[rotund perch]

Made it myself, I have a fork of Cornifer that works (somewhat) with Watcher

[halcyon tapir]

Ohh cool

Idk how to use cornifer guess I should learn

[rotund perch]

https://github.com/enchanted-sword/Cornifer/releases/tag/W1

The main things it's still missing are the underwater air pockets and the new sand dune collision

[halcyon tapir]

Oki I mostly care about portal and karma flower locations so it's alg

[rotund perch]

Which is why my Outer Rim map currently looks a million times scarier than it actually is

[halcyon tapir]

That's how the locusts are evil crowd think badlands looks like

[rotund perch]

I forget what the actual sand dune geometry is like but the fact that this room has wind (IIRC) and that the left side is higher than that platform makes me curious if there's some time of ripple boost wind-assisted pounce you could do to get to the upper right entrance

Which would make my favourite Watcher challenge concept, Throne to STARCATCHER07 in one cycle, actually viable

[halcyon tapir]

I don't believe it would be, that distance is very far

However foggy did make it up there just yesterday somehow during his casual playthrough on stream

I was looking away when he did it tho but I'm pretty sure he just used float and the poles around the edge of it

[rotund perch]

Oh, neat

I just used devtools to get up there, but otherwise crossed the desert and city normally and was able to just make it

That was also starting from the Prince's room, I imagine in a challenge scenario you'd start in the throne shelter

[halcyon tapir]

Yeah throne shelter would make sense

[rotund perch]

...Although that shelter probably takes just as much time to exit

[halcyon tapir]

If you allowed creatures I think it'd be challenge material

A grapple worm would make things much more interesting imo

[rotund perch]

Mhm

Grapple worm and ripple fly together would be a crazy combo

[halcyon tapir]

Yeah for sure, budget saint movement

Squid flight would also be viable

[hard kindle]

my Throne -> Badlands portal landed up there lmao

[graceful osprey]

Is this the eastmost room in outer rim? I think its very possible
Even easier when when you considier that the wind can help in this case

[halcyon tapir]

Too bad that portal connects back to outer rim, going from that room to prince and dying at his feet would be cooler imo

[lilac yacht]

WORA_THRONES01 to WORA_STARCATCHER07 in one cycle sounds fun. same with WORA_S04 to WORA_AI

[halcyon tapir]

AI just feels like a more climactic ending

the issue is that it's like

not much of a challenge

[lilac yacht]

johnrottrue

[halcyon tapir]

I did that several times casually, it's just not that far

the opposite direction at least has the awkward overhang thing to get over

but even then the rest is just walking

[lilac yacht]

maybe a loop back and forth ❓

right-facing has the advantage of wind

[halcyon tapir]

not sure that'd be possible

[lilac yacht]

hmm

[radiant bay]

heading from left to right sounds more fun cause of the wind

also it's not something you'd generally ever do in a playthrough

[rotund perch]

Those were my thoughts

[lilac yacht]

johnrottrue

[rotund perch]

Not super scientific, but my attempt at categorising regions based on how "central" they are based on how many warps you have to take from them to access any other region

{
  'Salination': 1,
  'Cold Storage': 9.523809523809524,
  'Fetid Glen': 1,
  'Heat Ducts': 6.557377049180328,
  'The Surface': 8.88888888888889,
  'Aether Ridge': 8.204545454545455,
  'Badlands': 7.547169811320755,
  'Signal Spires': 3.6,
  'Turbulent Pump': 5.555555555555555,
  'Coral Caves': 7.714285714285714,
  'Outer Rim': 1,
  'Rusted Wrecks': 6.48,
  'Torrential Railways': 6.48,
  'Sunlit Port': 6.113207547169812,
  'Unfortunate Evolution': 1.3333333333333333,
  'Stormy Coast': 7.142857142857143,
  'Shrouded Coast': 8.51063829787234,
  'Torrid Desert': 7.547169811320755,
  'Verdant Waterways': 4.569620253164557,
  'Desolate Tract': 7.8431372549019605
}

This doesn't factor in rotted vanilla regions or Daemon, but the formula is (number of region connections)^2 / total number of warps required to reach every other reachable region

Cold Storage seems to be a clear winner because it has six warps out of it, two of which lead directly to the second and third highest-rated regions

FROM: Cold Storage E01 | TO: The Surface FUTURE
FROM: Cold Storage E12 | TO: Stormy Coast A10
FROM: Cold Storage E33 | TO: Badlands B08
FROM: Cold Storage R02 | TO: Salination F01
FROM: Cold Storage R10 | TO: Unfortunate Evolution CRAMPED

[halcyon tapir]

Cold storage has 6 warps

Imagine the multi spawn opportunities if portals worked like that

[exotic onyx]

man imagine how many warps would complete AR have...

[rotund perch]

Huh...why is E09 marked there

WarpPoint><421.5186><295.6393><115~39~NULL~NULL~NULL~NULL~NULL~NULL~86494689-3f72-4bd7-b4c7-e3688b94c134~WatcherOnly~0~6~8~4~8~4~4~4~7~150~150~-1~0~0~true~true~false~false~false~0~-1

Weird

[rotund perch]

23, I think?

[radiant bay]

every single time I go "please send me to a region with an echo" the monkey's paw curls

[radiant bay]

an entire cycle and not a single skink came close enough to the left side of the region to let me get to the echo

what a good region

[cedar wasp]

they migrate away, sometimes you need to kill them to reset their spawns

[radiant bay]

can't do that

only got one cycle

[ocean comet]

I think a pinwarp should work?

[radiant bay]

I finally reached the echo and it didn't show whether I was being sucked in and then saved

(I rolled back the file)

[radiant bay]

I really don't think that's more practical than just finding a skink

[radiant bay]

I hate this fucking garbage region

why does sporepuff last for 0.5s

why does one single skink spawn on the left side

why does this exist

[round drift]

I don't like eet

[radiant bay]

why the fuck did they make this region

why did they spend dev time on this shit

it's so awful

every time I die it takes several minutes just to get back to badlands

then I need to cross the entire region

only to get to the longass room and not have a single skink show up for the entire cycle

[round drift]

jesus it's not that bad

the locust section is slightly bad but it's not that horrible

[radiant bay]

I have wasted 1.5 hours of my time so far literally just being screwed by RNG

over and over and over

literally nothing else I can do

no way to win

holy shit finally

[radiant bay]

time spent getting badlands and turbulent pump echoes: 2.5 hrs
time spent getting every other echo, including going through outer rim for one: 1hr

I didn't even get the TP echo, I gave up and went to heat ducts from an AR warp instead cause it screwed me with barnacle spam 4 times in a row

[halcyon tapir]

Badlands one is one of the ones you can just leave the screen with echo doesn't have to be on screen as long as you're in the same room

[radiant bay]

yeah, I figured that out after

would have been good to know earlier but hey

my touys

(moth friend came along)

[halcyon tapir]

Nice!! Good shit

[radiant bay]

the nice thing about this run is that it's almost certain to be possible no matter the random warp seed, I got a pretty rough seed but you'd have to get a crazy bad one to get locked out of it being possible

since you have so much leeway with fatigue

(the bad thing about it is that it might become impossible in like a week or whenever they update the game)

[halcyon tapir]

At least someone did it before they patched it 🥹

[radiant bay]

surely they think of us and just stop it from softlocking you right.......

[halcyon tapir]

Praying they don't remove the exploit and just remove the code locking gates tho 🙏

Would be lovely

Also you can reset another campaign on your save to refresh watchers seed

(due to another bug)

So that would've helped with softlocks if there were any

[graceful osprey]

Wait its possible to tame moths?!?!?!

[radiant bay]

no, they just followed me

[graceful osprey]

[radiant bay]

it's possible to... "befriend" individual big moths

[graceful osprey]

...how??

[radiant bay]

by throwing dead stuff at them

[halcyon tapir]

They have an individual rep system, similar to lizards but without the global rep

[graceful osprey]

I tried giving fruit and dead mice
Well i probably did it wrong

[radiant bay]

but unless you do a bunch of it it tends to make them want to eat you more than anything

[halcyon tapir]

The highest you can bring it to is just ignore tho

Yeah and it's bugged so they stop being nervous around you and start wanting to eat you before getting to the ignore stage

[radiant bay]

here's a clip of me testing it out earlier

[radiant bay]

you call it a bug, I call it the moths being weird freaks (and I love them)

[graceful osprey]

would be so cool to hav a moth friend that could fly you around

[halcyon tapir]

True 🥹 I guess it's not farfetched to say they realize you're not a threat so you must be good

[halcyon tapir]

You can with a batspear

[radiant bay]

even at ignore stage in my experience they kinda grab you with their legs, I'd recommend just staying away from them in general (if you want to be safe)

[halcyon tapir]

Precipice warp my beloved someday I will prove you're possible without cheats

[graceful osprey]

But you cant use them as squidflight tamed lizard

[halcyon tapir]

Yeah that's true

Moth suck 👎

[radiant bay]

they do specifically target the most dangerous enemies, they'll target red lizards but not caramels

so my own interpretation I guess was that they see you giving them something and they're like ah! tough predator! must be worth a lot of food pips :)

[halcyon tapir]

Oh really? Then maybe they're like... You killed that lizard so you must be tastier?

I gotcha, they are freaks

[radiant bay]

[graceful osprey]

They are suposed to attack if you have a vulture mask. But its bugged so it just doesnt work :"[

[halcyon tapir]

The fact they fight vultures is very funny

And honestly attacking vulture masks is a cool nerf to them

[radiant bay]

true, I hope they get it working properly

[halcyon tapir]

if only it applied to other slugcats too

Now realizing if they make bringing creatures out of the portal regions an intended thing they'll probably fix the moths room attractiveness

[graceful osprey]

Assuming they feed like spearmaster, they probably go for larger prey bc there is more food in them

[halcyon tapir]

Something like that

[radiant bay]

how does the moths room attractiveness work?

[halcyon tapir]

It's just not set in all of the vanilla regions

Except for the globally applied ones

So they're able to for example go to precipice on their own, which has been the only roadblock besides rng preventing us from warping straight to underhang from shoreline

This would be the only way to visit five pebbles on the current patch, but it's locked behind karma gates like everything else

[radiant bay]

[graceful osprey]

Did it with warp mod, just normal surv dialogue

[halcyon tapir]

Id still like to see him legit

It's the only 3 regions that are otherwise blocked off if the gate issue wasn't a thing

[radiant bay]

they really went out of their way for the karma gates

[halcyon tapir]

Literally

[radiant bay]

devs bullying you specifically

[halcyon tapir]

There's a line of code that essentially just boils down to "if you have ripple level, gates won't open"

Which means even if we had a way to remove the ripple karma we'd still be out of luck because the portal ability is locked behind having ripple

[radiant bay]

[halcyon tapir]

Truly a lose lose situation

The only hope is if we find a way to gatewarp with portals, but how region loading works with them is, well, nebulous at best

[graceful osprey]

Strongly hate that

[halcyon tapir]

Same

It is literally the only roadblock to an extremely easy OE warp and everything else

But damn is it an effective one

[lilac yacht]

idea: vulturewarp to CC_H01 earlygame and go to UW

[cedar wasp]

those rooms are banned for all creatures to path to

[lilac yacht]

bangs fists on table and dies

[halcyon tapir]

All blocked off rooms have a global tag that applies forbidden to all creatures

Even portal ones

They didn't apply that to full regions normally blocked off tho

[broken plover]

Challenge idea? Exploring/discovering every region (including rotted ones) without infecting the healthy ones

apparently OR has one way warps to Daemon, but I don't remember if Daemon leads back to any of the normal regions in this case

[halcyon tapir]

Iirc daemon leads to shattered and a karma flower for a random warp

[hard kindle]

I believe the first region you spawn in gets infected when you get to it

So you might have some issues there

[halcyon tapir]

Just exclude the first one in the rules it's actually pretty easy to do

I wouldn't add it as a challenge tho, we've had too many long challenge suggestions so far

[broken plover]

Huh really? I don't remember this

[still sequoia]

i feel like it's just really hard to make a shorter challenge with how watcher's campaign is structured

it always ends up too similar to a vanilla challenge and/or generally not fun

[halcyon tapir]

Just need to keep thinking there's some ideas I've found to be much more interesting than just "go to every region with x restriction"

I'm not great with thinking of challenges myself tho so I'm not much of one to talk

[still sequoia]

yeah i can relate most of my challenge ideas are questionable at best and ridiculous at worst

[ocean comet]

Simply use the portal skip (or however we want to call the tech for dying after the echo) to get enough ripple for making portals, and then go from a room that is not infected

Also iirc with a lot of luck, the rooms with CC or SH echo could survive not getting infected, since meeting vanilla echoes advances rot progression by 20 cycles and that doesn't guarantee any specific spread

[hard kindle]

true!
especially SH echo might be able to manage it if you were quick

[lean flicker]

Keep sporepuff in your belly and learn movement tech for room 1

[lean flicker]

You infect the first region no matter what, and need to reach OR with max Ripple to reach Daemon. Also all the rest of rotted regions would be gambling that the random exit sends you to OR (go to Daemon) or the already rotted starting region (easier if you are at ripple 1)

[broken plover]

I was already told there were too many "long" challenges suggested prior to mine

[lean flicker]

Without the rotted random regions it may be fine (Evolution tends to send you to OR if you have high ripple)

[radiant bay]

I did try that one time when I ran out of time and the skink never showed up

(actually twice)

[calm spruce]

only the best will survive tho, so quantity doesnt matter as long as the new one is a better one

[halcyon tapir]

Yeah I know it's just been like all the suggestions the last week or so not trying to discourage anyone tho

[calm spruce]

I wonder if itd be fun to do a fully public batch some time

we have some good ideas under lockdown in the challenge chats rn

[radiant bay]

I guess most people probably haven't interacted enough with the mechanics to come up with interesting shorter challenges

[exotic onyx]

I do find surprises engaging but I'd love to know the challenges under consideration too

[radiant bay]

I'm not very creative so even though I know a ton about the mechanics by this point I've pretty much got nothing

[halcyon tapir]

I'm pretty much the same

I suck at creative challenges

[ocean comet]

tbh it could be interesting to try it out, and if there are no issues to turn mostly or fully public challenge creation into a standard. I feel like having more opinions is always a positive, and the fact that only helpers can participate in challenge creation is kinda silly and meaningless already.

[calm spruce]

the one stipulation is that id wanna keep it locked down in a thread like this so people can choose to be unspoiled

and it could be tough to stop people from taking it elsewhere

but I do agree

[calm spruce]

<@&1092525520010346558> what do you think about this idea, be it at this full extent or to a lesser extent 👻

[uneven topaz]

Heyya

[calm spruce]

(remember that we wont be able to push a batch until at least post-console anyways)

[uneven topaz]

I love that idea

Fully lean into it tbh

[hard jewel]

yeah sure!

[uneven topaz]

Though I highly recommend before we actually vote on the challenges, we put them under a good bit of scrutiny as well, we have had some bad challenges slip our radar before in regards to playtesting
(A certain car maneuver)

[hard jewel]

does mean I gotta step up my challenge game though

[solar kraken]

i imagine the worst thing that can occur is some people not liking their challenges not getting in

[uneven topaz]

Yeah fair, but even then a good few community challenges were made just because they were meant to be silly rather than serious, so its best to just see how it goes

[ocean comet]

That already happens even in helper-only channels tbh, so just leaving it as a warning and trusting people to not get too attached to ideas should be enough imo

[lean flicker]

Isn't this a thing already? We have a link to suggest a new challenge + link proof of completion, so anyone can submit their ideas

[exotic onyx]

It'd be more to discuss these ideas further

[ocean comet]

Non-helpers still lack the ability to discuss the challenge ideas, and cannot see or react to certain decisions. This would be a much more open approach

[calm spruce]

I mean full sharing of information about the challenges we wanna push

they give us info, we dont give them info

so itd be fun to change it up

[elder elm]

i'd be down for this

[calm spruce]

democratize challengestuffs

[exotic onyx]

kalum bringing democracy onto challenges 🫡

[calm spruce]

dont get me wrong im gonna try my hardest to shoot down the community's inevitable Difficulty 12 challenge ideas

[ember skiff]

democracy in chall batches sounds nice
less pressure on helpers too

[wintry fulcrum]

watcher server challenges

how's the challenges? I fully finished the watcher so i can be here now

[radiant bay]

challenge idea: every single echo in a row without dying cycle 0

[ocean comet]

I recommend searching up a bit, the chat was rather slow and there were many amazing discoveries (but not so many good ideas)

[exotic onyx]

no good ideas so far

[halcyon tapir]

I like the idea having more people to vet the challenges can't be a bad thing, surely

[wintry fulcrum]

sure

[calm spruce]

we have good ones!!! ill share em as soon as I get a few more yesses

[halcyon tapir]

I already caught her up on most of the glitch hunting stuff we've been doing way more detail here tho

[calm spruce]

just dont wanna be premature about it

[solar kraken]

this is slander against Peregrinator

[exotic onyx]

My one idea is to despawn creatures from every region surely that'd be fun

[ocean comet]

Cycle 0 sentientRotEnding 🥹

[calm spruce]

pergrinator can be part of the Challenge B-Sides Program™️ (circa 2026)

[solar kraken]

about that!

finished up a relevant page less than an hour aog

https://rainworld.miraheze.org/wiki/UserWiki:Randi_Moth/SRI

[solar kraken]

acronym as the name because it was before full reopening and it's a spoilery name

[tropic bison]

Challenge idea!!! Warp into OE and then precipice, and then no clip into metropolis and kill elite scavengers until you get one with a singularity bomb and throw that singularity bomb at The Prince

[halcyon tapir]

I approve of this message

[solar kraken]

why not just lineage the CC Elite

[wintry fulcrum]

hm i really wonder what happens if you throw a sing. bomb at The Prince they look chill though, i wont do that

[tropic bison]

It requires both DLCs AND is basically impossible. It's the perfect challenge!!

[calm spruce]

not hard enough

[solar kraken]

i don't expect anything tbh

[calm spruce]

I think the precipice part actually is impossible

[solar kraken]

they're not, like, a creature that can die

[lilac yacht]

likely same as other weapons

[halcyon tapir]

Literally* impossible lol

[ocean comet]

You can get there with Moth Warp

[calm spruce]

i dont even wanna know

[wintry fulcrum]

i didnt threw any weapons at The Prince.....

[halcyon tapir]

But getting a moth to SL is currently impossible, only locked behind a few specific glitch discoveries

[lilac yacht]

enrichment to them

[calm spruce]

it treats it as play

[wintry fulcrum]

interesting

[lilac yacht]

very normal dialogue

[halcyon tapir]

Prince is so silly

[calm spruce]

im giving... 2 hours for an objection to appear ⌚

?remindme Return in 2 hours

[frigid sleet]

Right on, I'll remind you in 2 hours (<t:1744482939>).

[ocean comet]

Prince also reacts to going invisible, dying to proto rot, and iirc gifting it some items

[calm spruce]

all items give same dialogue

[wintry fulcrum]

yeah i noticed the thing with going invisible

[halcyon tapir]

I think all items give the same reaction

[solar kraken]

wrong, some give no dialogue

[wintry fulcrum]

why wont you love the silly sunflower head iterator like thing?

[calm spruce]

is the list inclusive or exclusive

[halcyon tapir]

I do!! He's funny guy

[solar kraken]

all items give dialogue besides a specific list

[hard jewel]

nothing

[calm spruce]

wack

kinda what I figured though

[wintry fulcrum]

damn

[ocean comet]

I honestly enjoyed the Prince path much more than the OAOA guy

[radiant bay]

prince isn't hungry for singularity bombs

[ocean comet]

Prince is chill, has some nice storytelling and things, and very cool lore and ending

[solar kraken]

note item is Rock is true for unpopped bubble fruit

[calm spruce]

`cause it uses the violence reaction for those being thrown probably

[hard jewel]

I actually have not finished The Prince's path so I uh am in enemy territory as of now!

[calm spruce]

and it would lock them out of it if they were shown first...?

just a guess

[hard jewel]

I will,,, try and finish that, however I do it, son

I think I know how though

[wintry fulcrum]

gl

[halcyon tapir]

Soilers!!

[ocean comet]

Good luck and have fun

[solar kraken]

nah it uses ownedItemsOnGround, which will never be filled in with a thrown weapon

[calm spruce]

my theory was that the item being read once would stop it from being read for the hit dialogue with the throw

(based on nothing)

otherwise i dunno why theyd do that

[lilac yacht]

saying this a billionth time. imagine prince reading pearls

[solar kraken]

ownedItemsOnGround is filled in under specific circumstances, and weapon throwing doesn't do that

[ocean comet]

btw in the two hours, if this happens, would it be allowed to share the ideas for previous batches and stuff in these chats?

[calm spruce]

enlightened scav behavior

[ocean comet]

Hoping we can get Prince to read the CC golden pearl in next update 🙏

[calm spruce]

maybe dont share anything that could be used for a future batch in case this goes terribly wrong

[solar kraken]

also, there are other weapons that can trigger pain and trigger dialogue

for example, Spore Puffs is one that's very obtainable in the campaign

[lilac yacht]

would be a funny rwsc idea

[wintry fulcrum]

damn. ill go now, see yall later ill stick to normal RWSC chats for now

[ocean comet]

?remindme 2 hours

[exotic onyx]

circle only listens to snaff

[ocean comet]

?remindme Democracy in 2 hours

Oh

[lilac yacht]

democracy from helldivers...

[halcyon tapir]

How rude of it

[graceful osprey]

How would visiting all regions without infecting them work? (Obviously not visiting sentient rot regions)
If i die while ST speaks would i be able to raise my karma and visit the same echo again??

[tropic bison]

@frigid sleet stop being mean

[graceful osprey]

I really want to do a run without spreading cancer

[frigid sleet]

@tropic bison no you smell

[calm spruce]

rot will infect your starting region no matter what

[calm spruce]

so you need to leave it and never return

[halcyon tapir]

The echo is replaced by a portal once you receive the karma increase

[graceful osprey]

[calm spruce]

if you get chimney echo last I think itll be sunlit, which is tiny

so you can sacrifice sunlit

and then just never go to rim or UE

[graceful osprey]

Good idea

[halcyon tapir]

Sunlit is also adjacent to several echoes

[calm spruce]

never warp flowerless, and if you end up in rim just die to get back

[solar kraken]

not entirely true

[calm spruce]

does one of the echo rooms lack sentientrot on your visit or smth?

[solar kraken]

The LF one will have sentient rot, but the rest don't directly have it.

However, there will be at least 40 ticks of rot spread simulation.

[solar kraken]

CC one has one directly next to it, but the SH one is fairly distanced.

In Vanilla regions, the chance for it to spread through a room connection is 10% per rain cycle tick.

[solar kraken]

So even the CC one is possible, failing a 10% 40 times in a row is a possible ~1.5% chance.

[graceful osprey]

So this means that if im fast enough/ only spend 1 cycle for the other 2 echoes i can not infect my starting region????

[solar kraken]

Meeting Spinning Top makes every vanilla region simulate 20 cycles worth of sentient rot spread.

Hence at least 40 ticks of rot spread simulation

[calm spruce]

so you wanna go for shaded and get lucky

[ocean comet]

Or use the portal skip and make your own portal from a non-rotten room 🙏

[graceful osprey]

SH echo is 5 rooms away from nearest rot room

[graceful osprey]

Wait what

[ocean comet]

There is a better explanation if you scroll up in the chat, but basically dying directly after echo finishes the monologue will cause the portal to open and you to gain rippleLevel but not forcing a save point, meaning you can technically get rippleLevel high enough to make your own portals before you ever save outside a vanilla region

[graceful osprey]

Oh, so you reset the campaign but keeps the karma/ripple level??

[ocean comet]

It resets only the cycle you met the echo, but yeah

[graceful osprey]

So i can meet the same echo again???

[halcyon tapir]

I wonder if that would actually work

Anyone know if rotting a region is death persistent? Cos you still need to enter to meet the echoes to get the portal ability

[ocean comet]

No. But since the portal opened and crossing it no longer forces a save point, you can just explore and meet other echoes and do the same tech, each time increasing rippleLevel by 1 while your shelter is still in a vanilla region

[halcyon tapir]

As long as you never enter an echo portal on the same cycle it spawned

[graceful osprey]

I see!
Thats super nice.
Great challenge idea

[calm spruce]

wont the sentientrot consume everything by the time you finish that (unless you glitch out of the main area)

[halcyon tapir]

Do the portal echoes also do the 20 cycle tick thing?

[calm spruce]

no idea

[halcyon tapir]

That'd make the difference, and if rot spread is death persistent

[exotic onyx]

bonus spread cycles only apply to vanilla echoes
so to reliably not infect the starting region:

• meet Spinning Top for the third time but don't enter the rift for the cycle; either shelter, quit to menu or die
• go through the rift, get to AR, meet the echo and quit to main menu before you are sucked in
• go through the rift again, AR > TD echo and quit to menu
• with ripple level 3, make your own rift away from any rotted rooms

[halcyon tapir]

(alternatively starve in AR to go to TD, either works)

[exotic onyx]

meeting the echo doesn't override the spawn point if you're starving? @halcyon tapir

[graceful osprey]

You may need to shelter in the same vanilla region the portal is in
As if you have ripple you cant pass gates iirc

[halcyon tapir]

Starve after meeting it it's a little finicky but if you leave the room during the last line of dialogue and don't reenter you can go starve n come back (saves having to go through AR again, and allows your shelter to be in any region rather than shaded or wherever)

[exotic onyx]

aaa yea I see what u mean now

[lean flicker]

I think a snake got "batspeared" by biting a lizard in a pipe transition and got stuck midair (like a batspeared item stuck to a wall)

[calm spruce]

the rattlers do that too

it is time

[ocean comet]

[round drift]

ok

[calm spruce]

give it like 5 more minutes now that ive done one more internal ping

[lean flicker]

[calm spruce]

(Actually give it like... until an admin comes online to make #watcher-server-challenges)

[round drift]

bye bye watcher server challenges

[calm spruce]

this has been moved to #watcher-server-challenges!