Old Watcher FP Guide Coordination [Archived]

[frigid hawk]

she made her way over to ancient urban

I would expect spinning top today, and possibly pearls

[covert totem]

[frigid hawk]

now cas thread is starting to enter dangerous area for me regarding spoilers, because the pearl readings

[lucid seal]

same 🥹

[keen oyster]

Cas is about to get her first ending

She'll be stuck with all ripple levels below max that she can have tho, damb

ST ending is really easy to get quickly

[lucid seal]

will probably motivate her to do another playthrough at least

[keen oyster]

Yeh

If she figures out the gold rings are echoes

Plus she may miss the prince ending but she woke him up so thats already 2 steps for the final ending and she doesnt even know it lmao

[lucid seal]

she is getting through watcher surprisingly fast 🥹

[frigid hawk]

agreed

but knowing her, she will replay it for quite a long while

[raw gazelle]

I've read most of the pearls myself, except the vanilla ones.

I should probably get to it sometime.

[keen oyster]

Spinny's story

[raw gazelle]

It's a very sad story.

You're meant to accept leaving everything behind in order to ascend. Your friends, your family, your memories, your possessions, in order to seek an escape from the neverending cycle.

But how can you ask that from a child...?

[covert totem]

I would if my switch would behave itself🥹

Does cas know it's an ending?

She has not posted the ending cutscenes

[marble carbon]

i mean yeah

bro you see credits

[marsh marsh]

She will know when she goes to the select screen

[marble carbon]

i do think she will sus out that she didn't get a score sheet

[covert totem]

No you will when you get the toy cutscene

[raw gazelle]

I mean.

[covert totem]

She hasn't posted the toy cutscene

Is what I'm saying

[raw gazelle]

If she went through the credits, she'd figure out it is an ending.

[marble carbon]

wait i wanna post the ST void bath dialogue in there

how do you do the special font

[covert totem]

Later

[keen oyster]

Cas is busy crying I dont think she's particularly is gonna post the cutscene right now lmao
You get the credits after all the endings anyways

[marble carbon]

where it looks like its in a box

[raw gazelle]

I really enjoy the menu art of this ending. It's really cute.

Cas is probably gonna relapse and cry again when she sees the menu art.

[covert totem]

I'm saying is that she doesn't know it is an ending and there's already mentions that there is an ending from people

I know she'll figure it out quickly but that's not the point

[marble carbon]

frankly speaking, every single ending, maybe except prince ending, have the capability to make you cry

[keen oyster]

You get the credits after every ending

[covert totem]

Yes, but she hasn't COMPLETED the ending yet

As far as we're aware

[keen oyster]

Its been like

10 minutes

The ending triggers much faster than 10 minutes

Also, again,

She's kinda crying right now

[covert totem]

Ik, I'm just paranoid of spoilers

[keen oyster]

I dont think posting the cutscene art is her top priority right now

[raw gazelle]

She said she would report later. Maybe she did get the screenshots and knows it's an ending, but is too emotional to comment and post atm.

Let's give her time.

[chrome swift]

It's not like time to discuss is going anywhere, waiting a few more minutes (or longer) is perfectly reasonable

[marble carbon]

bro she might be a ball on the floor should we at least ask if she's good?

[dawn kettle]

nah I'm sure Cas didn't suffer cardiac arrest

[covert totem]

Let's not flood her thread lmho

[chrome swift]

The fact she's crying is actually so satisfying to me in a way (that sounds really wrong but let me finish-), because basically all of the Watcher threads I've read through so far have barely made any comment on the Spinning Top ending, much less been emotional about it, and it's just nice to see someone so appreciative of the ending that way

[covert totem]

This is why we like Cas

[marble carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-funny-reaction-meme-stan-twt-horse-gif-5445268815333743861

[covert totem]

Also I cried too but I didn't document my first playthrough, knowing I'd be spoiled if I did

Second time I did the ending was a good gut punch though

[marble carbon]

i unfortantely got soiled on all of watcher's endings except for the depths ending, and even then i knew a good bit

[dawn kettle]

they might just form a new river by the full ending

[chrome swift]

I remained unspoiled on all the endings but the Prince ending

I can't remember how I reacted to the Spinning Top ending, though

My Weaver ending and true ending reactions are in my thread, though

[covert totem]

Same

[marble carbon]

i knew about weaver ending cutscenes

but my breath was taken away when i entered final room

[chrome swift]

I still don't understand the true ending, honestly-
(The fact that I haven't taken time to try to analyze it probably doesn't help-)

[dawn kettle]

same, only watcher achievement I was missing when i finished was the prince achievement and didn't feel like doing a 2nd full playthrough

ended up using a backup to get it

[chrome swift]

Ah, did you first play Watcher post-1.5?

[marble carbon]

a creature too unstable to properly ascend but also too attached to reality to still be karmically balanced becomes a void worm
that's my HC

[dawn kettle]

yeah

[chrome swift]

I just didn't feel like grinding to rot all regions when I played in 1.0

My mindset about Rain World and playing games blind has changed so much since then...

[dawn kettle]

i feel like the fact that I did play it after 1.5 is what made it my favorite

[marble carbon]

yeah

[chrome swift]

I suck at choosing (most) favorite things

[marble carbon]

launch watcher was miserable

[marsh marsh]

it was

[chrome swift]

(I enjoyed it... )

[dawn kettle]

watcher final ending is also the only other one aside from first beating survivor that actually made an impact on me

[covert totem]

I only know what that ending means because I analyze things and make connections🥹 so in my thread I have all my theories laid in so many paragraphs

[chrome swift]

My initial thoughts were, "WAIT, OMG, IS WATCHER BECOMING A VOID WORM????????" and then no, doesn't look like it...

[marble carbon]

no watcher is a void worm

[drifting swift]

ok jeez sorry for being a soulless hollow husk 😔

[chrome swift]

Wait no that's not what I meant no-

[drifting swift]

i already feel bad about being emotionally illiterate and “not getting it” things

[chrome swift]

To be fair, I definitely wasn't emotional enough to cry at that ending either

[raw gazelle]

I was a bit emotional at that ending.
But to be fair, Hunter ending hit me harder.

[lucid seal]

i know i'm late but there's nothing wrong with being overly careful, halves was more so saying it's best not to say something about it being an ending before there's confirmation she knows it is one
going off assumptions even reasonable ones is how you accidentally spoil someone

[chrome swift]

Unfortunately, I think Watcher's endings are the only ones that I had any chance to be emotional over, 'cause they're the only ones I was unspoiled on

[lucid seal]

halves was just saying it's better not to mention it is an ending before we have something from her, not misunderstanding why cas hasn't posted something yet

[keen oyster]

I mean, Im not mentioning it in the thread, but here

[lucid seal]

others mentioned in the thread it was an ending which was why halves was worried

[covert totem]

@prisma linden careful about giving unwarranted info like this #1491896410046595234 message

[chrome swift]

(Also, yeah, that asterix is HUUUUUGE)

[drifting swift]

i didn’t know ollie never met sc echo

he’s dodging it very expertly i’m assuming this is going to be a problem

[raw gazelle]

Maybe Ollie can return to it later after he's met the echo once or twice.

[coarse egret]

asterix and obelix mentioned

[raw gazelle]

Shaded is easier to explore with neuron glow.

[chrome swift]

(I put the wrong reaction for a second, no one saw that-)

[coarse egret]

rivboowomp

[chrome swift]

and are right next to each other in my favorited list

[dawn gale]

(following the thread ignore this)

[chrome swift]

You can just click the follow button to do that

(Actually, no, it's called "Join Thread", I think)

[dawn gale]

either im blind or thats not an option on mobile-

[chrome swift]

I'd guess the latter

[dawn kettle]

its an option i think if you press and hold on the thread itself

[dawn gale]

omg ur right 🥹 thank you

[raw bridge]

I kinda sabotaged the ending for myself xD
So basically, when i got to ancient urban and saw the benefactors i was HYPEEEEEEDDDDDD
this was the only thing politics and history loving me always wanted in Rain World, AND THERE IT WAS 🥹

When i heard the echo, i was like "Wait i just got into this awesome area and am gonna be portaled out?? Screw that!!!" and then i found the way to go up and explore the rest of the map

by the time a felper came and told me to go back to that echo, it was TOO LATE and i was already getting the ending

[chrome swift]

Ohhhhhhhh the nursery room encounter-

I see

[raw bridge]

Loll yeah, i had to read a transcript after getting the ending xD

which kinda removed some of the build up yeah

[chrome swift]

[raw bridge]

Though the ending did give me much food for thought

unlike some threads i see where ppl mostly just brush it aside

[raw bridge]

Why is this the ONE ECHO that doesn't teleport you to somewhere else (outside of Tutorial)

I was running on a assumption which proved true time and time again

[coarse egret]

in tutorial it still teleports you

[chrome swift]

True

[raw bridge]

Kinda yeah but to a fixed point on the map you get what i mean

[chrome swift]

Hey wait a second you're red now-

[drifting swift]

btb i never tried but can you escape the end of prologue rift or no

leaving the room on the same instance the rift opens

[prisma linden]

Probably because they didn't travel off to another dimension

They stayed and slid over to the next door building

[tribal swift]

#1491896410046595234 message would Ollie like to know about the garr Easter egg

[buoyant falcon]

what is that?

[coarse egret]

set your jolly co-op name to Garrakx (case-sensitive)

[rapid river]

i love this emote so much

[drifting swift]

cant set jolly coop names on console…

[narrow scroll]

What garr easter egg

[buoyant falcon]

oh god I never used jolly coop 🥹

surely I won't forget about this

[tribal swift]

#1356256638541103114 message

[narrow scroll]

oh wow

TIL

that's cool

[coarse egret]

ok looking at warp map

[keen oyster]

I feel like I had a dream of a new important Watcher bug that had to be fixed but I cant remember wtf it was 🥹

[covert totem]

Was it my watcher save file not working🥹

[coarse egret]

well there is one in 1.11.7

with the weaver part of the ascension ending not working properly (unless you walk properly)

that's correct, yeah

it indeed requires the dream

[keen oyster]

Idk 🥹

[keen oyster]

Ive heard of that one

[raw gazelle]

Still no echo ping, it seems.

What should we do?

[coarse egret]

the trigger for the Echoification is the terrace dream

[raw gazelle]

Oh.

The dream itself is the trigger?

[coarse egret]

yes

[raw gazelle]

I thought you just had to sleep in Terrace.

Did it change with the update?

[coarse egret]

well, the terrace dream itself was added in 1.11 and didn't exist in release watcher

though checking older versions

in 1.11.6, it still only required having WARA discovered

[raw gazelle]

Wait, is it the echo dream that shows you the symbols you're missing? Or is there a new dream that was added?

[coarse egret]

in 1.11.7, it got changed to requiring the Terrace dream

probably related to the new animation added there

[raw gazelle]

Wait.

If the Shattered dream is required to find the echoes.

This means you're meant to clear the wide jump on the western side just to encounter the dream.

And all 3 entry points prior to Daemon leave you on the left side.

How is someone meant to clear that jump before reaching levitation, to be able to find the echoes missing for said levitation?

[coarse egret]

well you can absolutely find Echoes prior to them being marked on the map lol

[drifting swift]

where do ripplespawn lead you to

[drifting swift]

i’m assuming thats what the trees were added for

everyone was ignoring the ripplespawn

[raw gazelle]

Should we point them in the direction of one echo location? Or keep it vague?

[raw gazelle]

Well, yeah, but what's the point of marking the echoes when you already are at max ripple and no longer need them when they are marked?

[coarse egret]

you don't need max ripple to reach it

levitation becomes possible at 5 ripple (intuitive scale)

[raw gazelle]

Right.

[coarse egret]

and I actually did it earlier with Movement Tech lol

wait

I was thinking of the wrong room

I was thinking of WARA_P21, not WARA_P20

huh, was WARA_P21 nerfed

I recall it having much larger gaps

[raw gazelle]

I don't think you need to go throough P21 to reach the echo.

Unless you enter through Daemon.

[coarse egret]

P21 was the memorable room because I got past P20 near instantly without using levitation on my first playthrough lol

[raw gazelle]

How? That looks like quite the long jump.

Throwboosted rollpounce?

[coarse egret]

6JSTBPBILWP of course

[raw gazelle]

Gesundheit.

[drifting swift]

#1491896410046595234 message

[raw bridge]

Ollie time

[drifting swift]

ehhh, “rot” is used even in vanilla

but its not the primary name apparently, or the internal name

[coarse egret]

well it is the internal name now

[drifting swift]

feels kinda like misleading trivia 😔

[coarse egret]

but the internal name for all pre-Downpour Rot content is Corruption, and that term is also more common than Rot in base game script

[lucid seal]

terraria...

[dawn gale]

terraria mentioned

[chrome swift]

Corruption > Crimson

[raw bridge]

Corruption > Crimson

[drifting swift]

i like the very simple “sick” and “sickness” and such

[dawn gale]

liking corruption and crimson equally

[drifting swift]

“idk guys look i just think mine deserves a cool name too ok”

[chrome swift]

#1491896410046595234 message

#1491896410046595234 message

#1491896410046595234 message

[raw bridge]

ollie is ollieing again ppl

[drifting swift]

he did get lost in the shittiest part of shaded blind for a bit so i think he’s a little demotivated

[chrome swift]

Wait... I just realized, does Ollie know there's an echo in Shaded?

I was about to predict that he'll meet Spinning Top in Farm Arrays, and then go check Shaded, but...

[drifting swift]

he 100% doesnt

and i’m kinda worried hell get locked in prologue

but i think he’ll find it eventually

[chrome swift]

Hopefully, yeah

[drifting swift]

if he finds the farm arrays echo i think he’ll get the memo and notice that shaded is a conspicuously big detour

[raw gazelle]

If he makes it to Farm Arrays he should be easily nudged towards the echo, since all other paths are blocked.

[drifting swift]

he almsot went towards the echo but it was then he lost his lamp

[raw gazelle]

But after that, he probably wonn't know where to go. Might need to nudge him towards Shaded.

[drifting swift]

and if he made it past the molezards hed have gotten stuck on a spider death room

[raw gazelle]

Well, good thing he has neuron glow after the first echo meeting.

He won't need a lamp anymore.

[chrome swift]

#1491896410046595234 message
Kinda close to what's right, actually-

Just ignore the "to watch the rot evolve" part

[narrow scroll]

@raw gazelle #1491896410046595234 message
Be careful, they don't necessarily know that yet

And maybe they'll get lucky and wrong-warp into Polluted Currents

[raw gazelle]

Wait, did they add new rotted regions in the update?

[narrow scroll]

no I'm joking

[raw gazelle]

Oh, derp.

[narrow scroll]

Point is, you never know in this campaign

[raw gazelle]

True.

[dawn kettle]

ollie discovers the secret 100-long key combo needed to warp to watchers true ending from shaded from a single pipe

[chrome swift]

#1491896410046595234 message
That's basically just Hunter at non-positive cycles anyway-

(Requiring more food, that is)

[drifting swift]

did he never eat anything at cycle 0

[chrome swift]

[drifting swift]

…how am i supposed to tell that thats a shrug

[raw gazelle]

[marsh marsh]

Has Cas not gone to UE yet?

[covert totem]

Nope

[keen oyster]

If she gets lucky or figures out how to keep meeting CONSDIER she might not ever get there on this save

[chrome swift]

That would be a CRAZY surprise for a second playthrough, actually-

[raw gazelle]

Mr. Consider is the real villain of the Watcher DLC. Locking people out of the fun stuff.

[chrome swift]

Yeaaaah

I loaded a backup so I could get the Prince ending; I started my 1.5 playthrough with the SPECIFIC intent of getting every ending, so learning I locked myself out of one without my knowledge...

[raw bridge]

Even worse is that if the player hasn't opened any portals themselves (by using the warp function), then meeting the weaver will close the UE portal

So it gets easy to lock yourself out of that region

[sterile atlas]

Cas will find it eventually

Unfortunately it means I can't post The Meme™ until much later probably

[raw bridge]

Unsure if this is what really happens, or if i understood Randi Wrong

[raw bridge]

The real loss

[sterile atlas]

Omgggg almost all my threads are unread

I have just been so busy over the last 4 days

[raw bridge]

It's fine!

I spent the last 2 days dying of sickness

finally fine now

[sterile atlas]

At least your ok now

[raw gazelle]

Don't worry. We've been keeping an eye on a few threads while you were gone.

[marble carbon]

i'm surprised cas never found pearl room in ancient urban

[sterile atlas]

True she's normally quite good at exploring though the karma flower is In a pretty obvious spot

[raw gazelle]

Maybe she saw the karma flower and took that as her cue to leave the region, not thinking much about what else could be there.

[marble carbon]

hopefully she comes back

since she knows that there are colored pearls in the game

[raw gazelle]

I understand the frustration though. I once carried a colored pearl all the way from Industrial.

And brought it to the Prince thinking he'd read it.

And he didn't.

And by the time I found the machine, the pearl was gone.

[raw bridge]

Did exactly that, thank fuck i had key item tracking on so the pearl remained alive in the room xD

[raw gazelle]

I had key item tracking too. That room is not where I left it.

I swallowed it back and kept it inside my stomach storage all adventure long.

And then when I reached the machine and tried spitting it out...

It was gone.

It was not there anymore.

[raw bridge]

The frick...

[raw gazelle]

So either I accidentally spat it out at some point without noticing, or something happened that made the pearl just disappear from existence while it was stored in the slugcat's belly.

To this day I still don't know what happened.

[raw bridge]

The lobe tree must have took it

[drifting swift]

thats a big time gap

accidentally spitting it out sounds believe

[sterile atlas]

Which one??

[fleet sedge]

psst @raw gazelle i give you a very small NOT-WARNING poke to say that you’re using a little bit too many reacts

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1175744715249946674/1482435658319397117/8313Yellow.gif

specifically here

[winter peak]

I don't see an issue in terms of how that may correlate to first playthrough stuffs

if anything it's a bit spammy, but that's more general rules territory

[raw gazelle]

Yeah I also kinda thought it looked a little cluttered.

After the fact.

I'll try to keep it cool.

[fleet sedge]

is there a better place for this then?

[winter peak]

le courier

[fleet sedge]

i thought this was where you were supposed to poke people to not do stuff like that

[fleet sedge]

doesn’t feel major enough but maybe that’s just me

[odd robin]

mehh but its something that affects the fp threads i feel like if its addressable then its pretty okay

[winter peak]

try not to fall into that type of thinking, like three fourths of the modmail messages before sprinkles were just verifiers sending messages to get staff to give people challenge roles

[fleet sedge]

okay fair

ty kalum

[winter peak]

but also philos you're fine we're not gonna smite you via couri

[raw gazelle]

I dunno what Couri is exactly but it sounds scary.

[winter peak]

shorthand for @fleet hill

[sterile atlas]

Courier

[lucid seal]

silly modmail bot

[fleet sedge]

not scary unless you did something super bad

[winter peak]

nah we do send out couri messages for relatively minor stuff

[fleet sedge]

yuh so not scary right

[winter peak]

but it'd probably be classified as a Friendly Reminder™ internally

[fleet sedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1232903689065336892/1232903690109718538/5758_5.gif

[odd robin]

unless you know you fucked up bad, you probably havent fucked up bad enough for couri to come after you

what

[lucid seal]

🥹

[sterile atlas]

Idk what kalum did

[winter peak]

the ,c command opens a courier thread with someone (you use their ID)

I think it's short for contact

[raw gazelle]

Good thing I did not summon the Courie wrath then.
Sounds worse than messing with a mother noot's babies.

But yeah, I'll hold back on the reaction stuff.

[chrome swift]

I just got poked about that too... I just like reacting because it doesn't clog up the thread as much as sending actual messages-

[raw gazelle]

Either through comments or reactions, I merely want to offer a little bit of engagement to the OP, so they don't feel like they're just screaming into the void. Trying to keep it cheerful! As a reminder that we're following along their adventures and they're not alone.

I just gotta regulate that to not overdo it.

[winter peak]

I think it's ultimately subjective and I'm not solidly in the camp that that type of reaction stuff should be disallowed unless the OP specifically asks or it gets into genuine spam territory

[raw bridge]

I like emote reaction spam lol, tho i see why it would be spammy for some ppl

[raw gazelle]

As funny as it can be in some instances, I should still be mindful not to be too spammy.

[narrow scroll]

#1491896410046595234 message
Such a shame...

[raw gazelle]

Oh, don't worry.

He'll find scavs that are a little different in this campaign.

[short yoke]

why has ollie predicted some WILD stuff

much more than I did, that's for sure

[prisma linden]

I predicted time travel from the main trailer

[winter peak]

time travel was pretty common from the initial speculation if I remember correctly

also because there was some cryptic kaeporo post showing an aether ridge-styled room through various stages of decay

[prisma linden]

Me when time causes all wounds

[coarse egret]

,q c

[fleet hill]

Alias - "c":

contact silently

[raw gazelle]

The silent contact. Ssshh.

Has Cas been to Fractured Gateways yet?

If she got the echo there she'd be dropped right in station anex, next to UE.

[prisma linden]

She's permanently locked out of UE I'm afraid

Met 1 weaver

[covert totem]

Thought weaver 2+ is when you have that chance to be locked out idk tho

[prisma linden]

Like 90% sure it was weaver 1 but I've been proven wrong already by stuff secretly shuffling in patches, so

[raw bridge]

Did she do any warps beforehand?

If no then yeah, say byebye to UE

[raw gazelle]

Awww.

Oh well. There's always next playthrough.

[chrome swift]

Wait a second... the wiki says this on the matter:
Unfortunate Evolution becomes inaccessible after Watcher encounters The Weaver four times.

So either the discussion here or the wiki is wrong

[raw bridge]

Intended behavior yeah

[coarse egret]

it's technically inaccurate since the actual trigger is the weaver sealing any non-dynamic warp

[drifting swift]

is it possible for UE to stay open then?

[chrome swift]

...Oh yeah, and Cas did that by accident, didn't she?

I think?

Unless I'm forgetting something

(I probably am )

[coarse egret]

if you meet weaver four times and enter WARD without ever sealing any non-dynamic warp (e.g. if you met Weaver in WARD or if you dynamic warp there without crossing a "normal" warp), you can enter WSSR

[coarse egret]

and then have to dynamic warp out of WSSR because entering WSSR will seal the exit warp out of it

[buoyant falcon]

any tips for memorizing watcher acronyms

[raw bridge]

Are you taking the Watcher lediting course exam?

[prisma linden]

The important bit is the middle two letters

And it's easy from there

Unless it's multi part modregions like aether or stormy

Then they use letters of the alphabet to tell em apart

WARA WARB WARC.....

[buoyant falcon]

yeah, I don't wanna fail 🥺

[buoyant falcon]

it's all aether ridge 🥹

[raw gazelle]

All paths lead to Aether Ridge.

One way or another.

[inner saffron]

We almost had WARH, WARI, WARJ, WARK, WARL, WARM, and WARN as well

Imagine that hell

[narrow scroll]

modding idea

keep making new aether ridge subregions until we reach WARZ

[dawn kettle]

WARAA

and then WARAB

[raw gazelle]

WAWA

[narrow scroll]

Amazing Waterfalls

[inner saffron]

I almost made a WAWA region shortly before Watcher

It was going to be upside-down Outskirts

And was going to be called either Inskirts or Underskirts, I forgot which

[narrow scroll]

@inner saffron Prologue

met Spinning Top in Chimney Canopy and Farm Arrays, but I'm not sure they actually know there's an echo in the Citadel

but they're good at the game™ so for now we're just letting them wander until they find it

[inner saffron]

It’ll become apparent eventually, there’s only 4 regions you can visit

Actually 5 I forgot about Ourskirts

[narrow scroll]

Hilariously the first thing they did upon starting the campaign was go to the Citadel, observe that all the exits are blocked off, not find the echo, and leave

[inner saffron]

But still it’ll become clear. I found out because I tried to go to moon and every way was blocked so I thought to pick up the echo while I was in shaded

Though I knew about the echo

Shaded is like one of the hardest echoes to find if you don’t know where it is and aren’t coming from shoreline

[narrow scroll]

not counting Subterranean I suppose, given you can't really go back to it if you miss it

[narrow scroll]

which sorta makes sense given it's the echo you're most likely to notice before reaching Five Pebbles

[inner saffron]

The humble killing of ones self to reset the cycle:

The room makes it evident that there is something there

[narrow scroll]

Well yes but if you don't enter from Farm Arrays...

[inner saffron]

True

But most players enter from there I would assume, at some point. The game kinda wants you to go there.

[narrow scroll]

I mean, Drainage System is an equally valid route

probably slightly less common

but not rare

Shoreline -> Subterranean is pretty rare though

[raw gazelle]

The echo in Shaded has a meeting requirement though. If you haven't met an echo before and you haven't found the room, you won't even see the telltale echo flakes when you're at max karma.

[dawn kettle]

and thats what i ended up doing

[raw gazelle]

Not particularly common circumstances for a first playthrough.

[narrow scroll]

more likely if you get into pearl lore before ascending

[sterile atlas]

#watcher-spoilers message

There's a few patterns like all watcher regions starting with W and all rot regions ending in R

[inner saffron]

it's the middle two letters you have to remember mainly

[sterile atlas]

Other than that I think it would just take time

[sterile atlas]

Unless it's a ridgeling 🥹

[inner saffron]

and then the last letter for aether ridge and stormy coast, the others are easy 'nuff

[winter peak]

rebuke them and make your own acronyms

join the resistance

[buoyant falcon]

oh great, thank you

[buoyant falcon]

mhh kinda tempted

[winter peak]

it's easier for new players too imo

first playthroughs are the best place for it 😌

[buoyant falcon]

yeah 🥹

it would suck if they decide to mod tho

(which I did)

[sterile atlas]

Nah I will always tell new players to go to WSKB they will understand (/J)

[buoyant falcon]

🙏

[chrome swift]

Wait... what do you mean actual Aether Ridge is Aether Ridge F??????

[raw gazelle]

F's in the chat for the OG Aether Ridge.

[sterile atlas]

And then the surface is G

It's shattered terrace that's A cause I suppose it's the most important one

[chrome swift]

Aether Ridge should be Aether Ridge A

Because it's Aether Ridge-

[raw gazelle]

Aether Ridge should be Aether Ridge A.
Because it starts with A.

Seriously though, Aether Ridge got seriously chopped up into pieces, huh? The original region must have been massive.

[sterile atlas]

Oh yeah

There's a map somewhere

And it's big

[lucid seal]

https://henpemaz.github.io/Rain-World-Interactive-Map/map.html?region=AR&modded=on you can find it here (modded region spoilers of course)

goodluck with that the connections are everywhere 🥹

because of the amount of room tags it lags my computer trying to pan

[marsh marsh]

This thread is misinformation, there is no Five Pebbles in Watcher

[inner saffron]

original aether ridge is pretty compartmentalized as is

though each section went into each other nicely, which is missing in watcher version

[chrome swift]

That's precisely why we need the thread; to guide people to knowing that there's no Five Pebbles

[marsh marsh]

Of course

That makes everything make sense

[rapid river]

warn

[raw gazelle]

Wait until he realizes the promotional header image title on the steam page also has the rot in it.

[sterile atlas]

Let's have a rot

[keen oyster]

[keen oyster]

#1432916763946913854 message Some modded thing

[narrow scroll]

#1491896410046595234 message

Now's a good time to ask that

[raw gazelle]

Hmmm

Do the void spawn in the Citadel during the prologue point you towards the echo? Or do they still default towards the crypts?

I never actually paid much attention.

[narrow scroll]

they probably still default towards the crypts

I don't think regular Void Spawn change at all in the Watcher

(Void Spawn are a super underutilised mechanic in all campaigns)

[drifting swift]

trying to figure out voidspawns rn would be so counterintuitive considering they point to a dead end

[narrow scroll]

at least the dead end is fairly close to the echo

[drifting swift]

but i think he’ll get the hint when the game introduces ripplespawn

oh, true? maybe?

i don’t remember

he did almost go to the echo earlier i think

but again, blocked off by unbeatable enemies

[raw gazelle]

The dead end that is close to the echo is the one in Shoreline.

The void spawn would lead to the crypts, which is considerably further away.

[drifting swift]

yeah but crypts is close to echo, kinda, maybe

[raw gazelle]

To avoid making Ollie go in circles again, we could just clarify that 'they lead to the crypts in the specific instance of the Citadel'.

[drifting swift]

if you decide to go top right from there

that seems conspicuously spoilery

[raw gazelle]

Maybe.

[drifting swift]

its not as if he’s remotely close to some spearmaster bullshit

[raw gazelle]

Maybe, but it doesn't feel quite right to give him the clue that 'they lead you to places' in the one specific instance where they actually don't.

[drifting swift]

yea but we can also just not do that either

[raw gazelle]

Fair.

[drifting swift]

ripplespawn will get introduced shortly anyway and the game pops a tutorial tooltip

[raw gazelle]

[drifting swift]

wait what kinda ripplespawn ideas do you have 🤔

boidspawn

[narrow scroll]

well first of all the ones that exist in vanilla should be disabled for MSC/Watcher like they are for Hunter

but also I think it would be neat if they could be found (more rarely) outside of the Citadel/Shoreline/Depths

[drifting swift]

does hunter disable them

[narrow scroll]

according to the code yes

[drifting swift]

i thought they became aimless tbh

[narrow scroll]

they don't disappear but they swim in random directions

yeah that's what I mean

[drifting swift]

hunter getting all the cool trivia mechanics

aimless ripple, no flowers…

it does seem like gameplay wise their only purpose is to get you to go to 5p in case you eat a neuron

[narrow scroll]

obviously you don't wanna use them too much because

• you don't want to provide too much direction
• following them all the time might break the pacing

[drifting swift]

perhaps itd be too clunky to have them in more places bc its like

go to 5p go to 5p go to 5p go to 5p go to 5p

[narrow scroll]

well yeah but they don't have to

[drifting swift]

of course you could just have them swap directions after 5p ig

[narrow scroll]

the Void Spawn in the Depths already point towards the Void Sea

[narrow scroll]

yeah that's another idea

[drifting swift]

i never tested this but are those ripples still invisible without neuron

i think i saw some as saint

[raw gazelle]

There's also the ones in Shoreline.

[narrow scroll]

make them personalised to how much karma you have

[drifting swift]

but idk if thats different

i wish the various enlightenments had more interplay

the echoes, the mark, the neuron glow

[narrow scroll]

Saint can see Void Spawn through sheer willpower

[drifting swift]

theyre all kinda off doing their own thing

oh right, can they

[narrow scroll]

everyone else needs the glow

[drifting swift]

so if you neuronless to depths its probably pretty lonely huh

[narrow scroll]

... especially for the Saint, more Void Spawn presence would be pretty cool

I've had the idea of echo-seeking Void Spawn in places far from the Void Sea / Five Pebbles

[drifting swift]

btw what do ripplespawn point to anyway

[narrow scroll]

uhhhhh IDK
rifts and echoes I think

[drifting swift]

like i assumed echoes, and sometimes it works out that way, but idk if thats a foolproof explanation of them

[narrow scroll]

I could check the code to find out but I don't want to

[drifting swift]

i just understand, if you follow the ripplespawn, you’ll probably get to the echo probably

i do like that they point towards the vague map direction vs specific room entrances

[raw gazelle]

To be fair the void spawn don't really have that much utility in the majority of campaigns.

You can only see them in the citadel when you eat a neuron, most likely from Moon. If you made it to 5P before getting the neuron, you will likely be led away from the citadel, since you're meant to go west.

So the chances of coming across the void spawn when you need the guidance during your first playthroughs is rather low.

And on subsequent playthroughs you know the layout well enough that you don't really need that kind of help anyways.

[drifting swift]

?

i think the way the game imagines it like:

• iggy guides you to moon, if you dont eat a neuron iggy continues guiding you to five pebbles
• iggy guides you to moon, you eat a neuron so they disappear, void spawn takes over
• 5p gives further instructions

[narrow scroll]

Void Spawn are only relevant if you kill Looks to the Moon

that's the issue I have with them

outside of that they're either nonexistent or weirdly useless

[raw gazelle]

They're a fail safe in case a player monches on a neuron and Iggy gets angy.

[drifting swift]

yea

[narrow scroll]

yeah

[drifting swift]

a fail safe to make lore confusing and weird

[raw gazelle]

💢

[narrow scroll]

I guess the fact that they're designed as a failsafe is why they're underutilised

make a really cool and awesome mechanic and use it to solve a really boring problem in one tiny corner of the map

[drifting swift]

i wonder if depths ripplespawn came first or lttm ripplespawn

sorry for calling them ripplespawn they’re the same thing in my brain

and it defaults to ripplespawn

[narrow scroll]

Void Spawn and Boundary Spawn

[raw gazelle]

And this failsafe only becomes relevant when you don't know the map.

[narrow scroll]

I mean that's a fair assumption in the situation it applies in

[raw gazelle]

One way or another, Watcher is when they get a lot more use.

[drifting swift]

unless people very aggressively ignore them

theyre kinda annoying once you do the st ending and they still hang around thou

idk what their purpose is after that

[narrow scroll]

the Dial I guess

although actually

[raw gazelle]

They lead you to the closest portal.
Also the dial charge.

[narrow scroll]

don't they point to rifts

which is useful in the Weaver's quest

[drifting swift]

ooh dial

[raw gazelle]

Also also, cool animation when they congregate after you collect enough.

[drifting swift]

animation that my brain can only categorise as looking as shit bc at the time watcher had some, troubled layering or something idk exactly

its fixed now though

[narrow scroll]

pretty sure it just didn't exist before

IDK

[drifting swift]

at the time as in, w1.5 launch, on switch

oh early w1.5 rot regions on switch… you sure were something

[raw bridge]

Has the Olie Ollie left Shaded citadel watcher?

[lucid seal]

nope not yet

[raw bridge]

lol

[raw gazelle]

He's missing the one single echo he has not encountered in any campaign and has no idea has existed and just kinda been hanging there all along.

[drifting swift]

i just wanna go "ok... so far, the game has these dead ends with echoes at the end of them... the game does not let you advance further than that"

"shaded citadel is the final remaining dead end so that means that............"

grr

[raw gazelle]

I kinda just wanna nudge him towards Shaded with something like.
"Oh hey, you glow now! Such a convenient thing to have to make exploring dark places easier. "

Or maybe just imply that there is only ever one single echo in a given region, so the places he already found the echo in he doesn't need to search. Just through process of elimination he'd reach Shaded eventually.

But it is his adventure, and he doesn't want the guidance for the time being, so let's just let him do his thing. He'll ask for assistance when he needs it.

But uhh... Yeah. He's definitely spending like...

100 hours in this DLC, easy.

[drifting swift]

you think ollie's demotivated or burned out with rw rn

he hasn't played it as aggressively as msc

ofc he may just be busy but he was playing nonstop for a while

[raw gazelle]

I think he's a little demotivated from running around all over the tutorial section and not finding anything.

Could also be burned out a little.

[short yoke]

the locusts🥹

[drifting swift]

the locusts have been patched to take invisibility into account, at least

you get a few extra seconds of leeway

[short yoke]

yeah, but still- i think he'll hate them just as much as i did (if not more)

(I only ever played post-1.5, so i don't know how bad it was before)

[raw gazelle]

The western side of the Badlands was absolutely infamous on release.

It needed some considerable balancing.

[short yoke]

i still hated it🥹

[raw gazelle]

You mean the really long treck with the locusts on the left side, right?

[short yoke]

yuup

[raw gazelle]

Yeah. On release, the locusts did not care about whether you had invisibility or not. They homed in on you anyways. There were also no smoke bombs, the tamed indigo lizards didn't lick you when you were assaulted by the locusts, and there was no indigo lizard midway through so it was just a massive expanse of empty sandy plains all the way across until the mud pits.

[drifting swift]

idk if you could find any in badlands but i assumed you had to use the sporepuffs

they make you stinky in watcher, still do, but ig at this point that part is a vestigial thing

[raw gazelle]

I think you had to get it from a merchant. All the way to the far right.

[drifting swift]

what about the storage den

somewhere in the middle

[raw gazelle]

Uhhh... The water tower thingy?

I think it was almost impossible to climb up there. You had to do it with levitation and spears.

And I think there was a portal in there before?

[drifting swift]

oh

[raw gazelle]

Don't remember where it lead to.

[chrome swift]

I think in my pre-1.5 playthrough, I without taming it, just had an Indigo Lizard follow me and continuously lick me to get past that section...

Then in 1.5 I just didn't go there until I had access to Ripplespace

[chrome swift]

Also, I think he's gonna get way more motivated once he finishes the prologue

[raw gazelle]

Ollie finding the last echo after 30 hours of gameplay.

"Congratulations on beating the tutorial for the DLC, Ollie!"

"Now's where the game actually begins."

[drifting swift]

i dont think watcher is a very "just run around stubbornly enough"-friendly dlc

aside from st

[raw gazelle]

There are some linear sections.

[chrome swift]

...So most of the campaign, you mean-

[raw gazelle]

It's hard to get lost in DT,

[drifting swift]

whats dt again

[raw gazelle]

Aether Ridge though...

Desolate Tract.

[chrome swift]

Desolate Tract

[raw gazelle]

I swear even I got incredibly lost in Aether Ridge. The map layout legit looked like a maze to me.

It took me hours to get out of Ridgeworks.

[chrome swift]

Aether Ridge might be my least favorite of the Aether Ridge regions
(I'd have to look at the list of which ones are to confirm this, though, and I'm feeling lazy right now-)

[drifting swift]

aether ridge is, aether ridge idk

aren't there plenty of escape warps?

finding the echo is mean though

it being like, yeah its this one spot, gl

[raw gazelle]

Well yeah.

But I wanted to go back up to the top of Aether Ridge from the bottom of Ridgeworks. I wanted to explore it a little, I think.

Or maybe I wanted to trace a path back to the Coral Caves warp so I could backtrack if I needed it. I don't remember the reason.

All I remember is that I wanted out and I got lost just looking at the map, let alone navigating it.

[harsh tusk]

Ridgeworks? No it doesn't.

[raw gazelle]

I struggled a lot with the region's layout and the verticality of some of the rooms with little to no ways to climb up. The map's pipes went up and down, back and forth, making me feel like I was solving a maze just to figure out the way to a certain point. I got disoriented.

Falling into the Ridgeworks is very easy. Climbing back up and out of there, not so much.

[chrome swift]

I feel like, even after being split into so many parts, Aether Ridge proper is still one of, if not the largest Watcher region(s)-

[drifting swift]

its ridiculous isnt it

but it does make you wish you could experience the real aether ridge....

[chrome swift]

Does #1491896410046595234 message count as too much?

[drifting swift]

wait its not meant to be a hint nooo 😭

[chrome swift]

Saying it like that makes it seem like something special's going to happen soon, IDK-

[drifting swift]

its supposed to be like

idk the analogy i wanna draw

[raw gazelle]

If you're not sure, nuke it before OP sees it, just in case.

[drifting swift]

but what if

they do see it

[chrome swift]

He's seen it-

[drifting swift]

and bc you deleted it you draw attention to it as an actually important thing

[raw gazelle]

Welp.

Too late.

I tried.

[drifting swift]

seamless

beautiful

dont even notice the blatant lies

[raw gazelle]

Blissfully ignorant.

[fleet sedge]

think for 50 years before you send each message

[raw gazelle]

Might just have to.

Sorry.

[fleet sedge]

this isn’t at you in particular

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1124825648389697607/1182952446159499364/9464Laptop.gif

[drifting swift]

is it at me in particular

[fleet sedge]

to everyone in particular

if in 30 distant universes your message could even remotely be considered spoily then it’s best not to say it if it doesn’t contribute to the playthrough

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1232903689065336892/1232903690109718538/5758_5.gif

[raw gazelle]

[sleek yoke]

Is this just gonna be half the campaign

/j

[raw gazelle]

If he's having this much of a hard time finding one echo in the tutorial area, he's probably gonna have a hard time finding 8 echoes across the Watcher regions.

But at least he'll have a lot more room to move and stuff to explore, so he won't get too bored.

[chrome swift]

Also: he won't already know the regions, so he will be focused on discovering things instead of navigating towards specific places

[lucid seal]

at least there is way more than 8 to discover, plus map indicators later on

[raw gazelle]

True.

But the map indicators now require the Terrace Dream, so it'll take longer for him to get the echo ping.

Unless he bruteforces his way through the Shattered Terrace western gap.

[drifting swift]

i think the game wants more focus on the ripplespawn

[lucid seal]

the gap itself isn't too difficult to get over

[chrome swift]

Unless I'm going crazy, they nerfed the gap in 1.5

[drifting swift]

they nerfed it massively

[chrome swift]

I remembered it being way harder in 1.0

Yeah

[drifting swift]

but i still felt like i needed the float

[chrome swift]

#1491896410046595234 message

[raw gazelle]

Welp.
When I talked about Ollie taking 30 hours to leave the tutorial section...

It was meant to be a joke.

[fluid badge]

ollie not knowing the existence of needles under plentiful leaves is a giant detriment

[raw gazelle]

Even if he doesn't know, he would eventually stumble across it by properly exploring Shaded.

[sterile atlas]

I didn't either

I was also stuck wandering around for ages

[drifting swift]

its probably, the most difficult to find echo?

its rather out of the way

[sterile atlas]

It's in such an obvious spot tho

[drifting swift]

is itr

its not like

i mean you dont find it playing it naturally, its not on any main routes or anything

and its the only one saint skips

[sterile atlas]

It's like 2 rooms from like the single most used route in the game

[lucid seal]

it's both out of the way and kinda obvious

but with the way it is very close to one of the most used routes yeah it's expected you use your map and see the unexplored pipe entrances

[drifting swift]

does watcher recycle the map progress youve made or do you start from scratch

[raw gazelle]

Alright, how do we do this? Should we tell him about the fact that there's one echo location he missed?

[drifting swift]

probably something like "you want to look in shaded citadel"

but later

[lucid seal]

i don't think he's wanting direct answers

he seems unsure so lean towards indirect hints first

[raw gazelle]

Just tell him that there is one echo location he hasn't found yet, but not tell him where it is?

[drifting swift]

i keep thinking of something like "an area that conspicuously accessible for no reason" but thats the same as saying sc

[lucid seal]

can always go like
slight hint: the places you feel should have more to offer may be worth re-exploring
additional hint: try looking somewhere you have yet to find something you think you should be looking for
very direct about where to go: look in shaded
reminder about using his map to his advantage to find unexplored paths he may have missed

with spoiler tags and this is just me spilling my first thoughts out so they're not too great

[inner saffron]

Maybe hinting at the fact that all irrelevant regions are inaccessible, and how that is intentional?

Or maybe more specifically how industrial is the hub and there are three wings. Dunno how to word any of that though

[raw gazelle]

How about saying that there are no two echoes in the same region?
It's a bit more concrete, but it will at least rule out two regions out of the 5 he has access to.

[lucid seal]

that would confirm what he is looking for

[raw gazelle]

I feel kinda bad for him because he's trying really hard and he doesn't look like he's having fun.

[inner saffron]

“For each wing, there is a reward at its end” (maybe?)

[lucid seal]

riddles

[inner saffron]

Would point to how the echo is found at the end of the LF and CC path and how the only other path is SH

[drifting swift]

again, might as well just say go to sc

[lucid seal]

start with less direct then move on to more direct answers, Ollie said he's unsure

[drifting swift]

idk maybe the check off unexplored map tangents is the best one

even if its bruteforcy

not as if there's that much map

[lucid seal]

you can't take away a direct hint so 🥹 better not to risk it

[lucid seal]

i do like it as an indirect hint, though Ollie hasn't always understood riddles for hints

but it's still a good hint

[drifting swift]

well thats what i mean

either he parses it and its basically as direct as saying go to sc or he doesnt parse it

and, idk what then

[lucid seal]

i just think he should be sure first before we tell him directly where to go

[drifting swift]

nvm this is probably being cringe

[inner saffron]

If he still doesn’t get it we can elaborate

Something slightly more specific

[drifting swift]

i just wanna see the stupid playthrough already

[lucid seal]

yeah, start with indirect then step up to more specific

try not to let your personal wants get in the way of stuff like this

[inner saffron]

Should I send this hint?

[lucid seal]

spoiler tag it but i'd say yes

[drifting swift]

actually he didnt ask for the hint yet

he was still holding onto it

[inner saffron]

Yea I was gonna spoiler tag it anyway

[drifting swift]

oh wait maybe he did oops

idk really

[lucid seal]

alduris felper???

[inner saffron]

Would be silly

[inner saffron]

I find it fun to see active new playthroughs but I also don’t lurk in the category enough really

[tribal swift]

you can felp without the role anyway very easily

[inner saffron]

Yea ik

It’s just there as a label for the most part with the additional bonus of being able to be pinged

[tribal swift]

modded first playthrough guides

[chrome swift]

#1493138739306958878 message
Hopefully this deflection works-

[lucid seal]

i'd be careful directly saying something isn't true when it involves spoilers from personal friends or family because if OP ever tells their brother he was lying to them... 🥹

that'll end up as a mess and they'll probably get much more spoiled

[chrome swift]

Any advice what to say instead? 🥹

Did not think about the speaking to them again part, to be honest-

[chrome swift]

I probably should've reply pinged-

Oh wait you're on do not disturb-

(Maybe I should delete that message until you see this...)

Ok did that just in case-

I don't even know if they saw it

[lucid seal]

i'm always on dnd it doesn't mean anything

[chrome swift]

It means you didn't get a ping

[lucid seal]

usually i try to go for a middle ground vague answer that doesn't confirm nor deny anything, it was good you told them to ask their brother not to spoil them on things unwarranted

cuz those were pretty major spoilers even if they aren't the worst things they could've been spoiled on 🥹

[chrome swift]

How would you phrase a response like that?

[lucid seal]

uh good question

[chrome swift]

'Cause to me, calling out to tell them not to spoil anything would inherently imply that those spoilers were real, so... 🥹

[lucid seal]

"i hope you asked your brother not to give you help or information unwarranted, that is really unfortunate that happened and probably wanna tell him not to talk to you about watcher anymore
everyone does interpret information differently though since it is rain world, so i wouldn't think too deeply on what he said to you"

somewhat of a draft

[chrome swift]

Well, I gotta get to sleep, so hopefully someone else can finalize that response before they get spoiled again 🥹

[lucid seal]

goodnight mccool

@radiant breach you do it

/silly

[radiant breach]

Do what? Sorry I haven’t been keeping up here for a while

[lucid seal]

i don't think we should tell people this anymore probably

@prisma linden

there was something randi said awhile ago about this here i'll have to find it

[drifting swift]

“remember that thing that took up like 80% of your rw play time?”

“ignore it its fake”

[coarse egret]

in short, "Downpour isn't canon to Watcher" isn't necessarily true and saying it loses a lot of nuance

[sterile atlas]

I'm with rat tbh

Ratto

[prisma linden]

I see

[drifting swift]

in practice i dont think ive really seen any watcher playthrough where it was lessened bc people drew from their msc lore knowledge base

[coarse egret]

past discussion: #1356256638541103114 message

[prisma linden]

Dp isn't fake to me tho

[drifting swift]

as far as yt lets plays go i mean

[prisma linden]

It shouldn't be regarded as fake

It and watcher are two different truths

[drifting swift]

i’m being somewhat hyperbolic

considering “msc was made as a fan mod and watcher has the original writer back” always comes up in some way

[coarse egret]

which, as said, isn't true: they are not entirely disconnected from each other

this is the most direct developer statement on that

there's good reason to keep them as somewhat separate, and there's good reason to keep them as somewhat together

basically, that's the beauty in consdiering MSC as a "separate canon as far as lore goes": you can either include or exclude it based on what you want to do

[prisma linden]

Very true

They don't have any overlap in setting whatsoever, and that's a good thing, as it makes them neutral

[sterile atlas]

Also like what of these statements

[prisma linden]

They can feasibly coexist or not coexist without real contradictions coming up

[prisma linden]

That's not exclusionary to anything I've said

I still stand by that line of thought

[raw gazelle]

There is not enough proof to feasably establish how 'canon' Downpour is to Watcher. One of the pearls in Watcher (drone schematic) may well imply it's not exactly 0% canon.

So stating that 'Downpour is not canon' might be oversimplifying things, since I don't think it's really that clear cut.

[coarse egret]

you can't really use in-universe evidence for an out-of-universe matter

[raw gazelle]

Well, we either find evidence in-universe about what things are canon and which things aren't, or we wait for the developers to spill the beans on social media or in interviews.

Anything else is pure speculation.

[lucid seal]

gutter and pipeyard in watcher with msc enabled is one of my favorite why does this even exist things 🥹

[drifting swift]

joar comes out of retirement to finally reveal the truth

[raw gazelle]

Wait.

[drifting swift]

its all not canon

hunter and monk are not canon too

[raw gazelle]

You can actually go to Pipeyard in Watcher?

I thought the entrance was blocked.

[lucid seal]

it's blocked yeah

[drifting swift]

the connection addon rooms are there in some capacity

[lucid seal]

yeah that's what i meant

[drifting swift]

hinting that even if you cant go there, its there

[lucid seal]

downpour region

[drifting swift]

actually survivor isnt canon either

the only thing thats canon is that one mazerunner game

[lucid seal]

rain world isn't canon, all your theories are wrong

[harsh tusk]

Rain world is uncanon to itself

Important to note that watcher has no lore or environmental storytelling

[raw gazelle]

Rain World The Watcher, but the Rain World part is not real.

[coarse egret]

enviornmental*

[raw gazelle]

It's just Watcher.

[rapid river]

washer

[raw gazelle]

🫧 🧼

[harsh tusk]

Canon discussions are probably very confusing for new people that don't know the history behind the games and dlc

I would probably suggest not saying they're not canon, but if pressed or if they're confused, just mention that msc had different writers/developers or whatever

[chrome swift]

#1489741497573314560 message
Wait a second that's just <@&1466835323735769290>, isn't it-

[raw gazelle]

Darn.

Too slow.

But yeah, Sundries moment.

For it to count, they need to take screenshots though.

[chrome swift]

Should we mention that?

That it's just one of the Watcher RWSCs?

[drifting swift]

for it to count all the necessary settings have to be set too

[keen oyster]

Just to note for felpers but Cas would like to know when to keep a backup handy when she gets to the point of locking out Prince's ending

[lucid seal]

[raw gazelle]

How many times has she met the weaver so far?

[keen oyster]

Once

[raw gazelle]

And the prince ending locks out after the 4th encounter, right?

[keen oyster]

Ye

[raw gazelle]

So gotta announce the back-up after the 3rd encounter.

[keen oyster]

[raw gazelle]

When the golden feathers start appearing on the tail, if I'm not mistaken.

[keen oyster]

Ye

Its understandable if she doesnt wanna replay the entire campaign for one ending
Prince's ending is. tedious xd

[raw gazelle]

True.

Sadly they might have already gotten themselves locked out of UE though, so they'll still need a new playthrough to see it.

[keen oyster]

Does Weaver lock UE after first meet or same time as the Prince lock?

[raw gazelle]

It's not at the same time as prince lock. It happens earlier. In my case, the UE portal was one of the first ones to get locked up during my campaign.

[keen oyster]

@coarse egret Can you confirm

[raw gazelle]

I think Randi explained it at some point. Something about the dynamic warps...?

[chrome swift]

#1356256638541103114 message

Found it

[raw gazelle]

[keen oyster]

Ah

So yeah Cas cant see the epic

Sadge 😔

[raw gazelle]

Mega sadge.

But.

[chrome swift]

Do we think it will be even MORE epic and climactic on a second playthrough?

[keen oyster]

How would we hint at it for her? Its been quite a while since she met the Weaver that weird instance

[raw gazelle]

If Cas is interested in collecting porls.

She might be interested in restarting the campaign to fetch the vanilla ones she left behind.

[keen oyster]

Perhaps

[raw gazelle]

So there's a second chance.

[chrome swift]

Unfortunate Evolution is so peak

[keen oyster]

So ture

How would we hint at its existence if she asks
At some point she finds the sealed portal she cant use and asks aboutit or we have to tell her about it if she doesnt find it

[chrome swift]

I think we just wait to see if she asks at all

Because I think it would be a CRAZY surprise to randomly find UE on a second playthrough-

[drifting swift]

in my case once the sealed portal showed up there was a big ??? on the map forever

idk if thats a "well that only shows up if you go to the warp spot"

[keen oyster]

Itll probably show like any other warp but she jut cant actually go there anymore

[lucid seal]

@radiant breach i saw you

lurker

[radiant breach]

I saw you so I typed

[lucid seal]

lurking

[ashen dew]

@radiant breach *BITES YOU!*

[marble carbon]

Bro i can't believe she hasn't found pearl room

[chrome swift]

...Has she reexplored Ancient Urban?

It's kind of just buried in a corner behind a few annoying jumps, and if you don't think there's anything else to see in the region, you're very unlikely to go back

I don't think it should be much of a surprise she hasn't found it

[marble carbon]

Yeah but like

She knows that there's these colored pearls

[chrome swift]

Yes

And why would she know to look for a way to read them in Ancient Urban?

[marble carbon]

Because she hasn't properly explored AU?

[chrome swift]

She'll get to it eventually, I'm sure

[marble carbon]

She can look at map and see that there is missing

[chrome swift]

But there's no indication that the way to read pearls is there

[lucid seal]

it's important to note there are a lot of regions in this game

[chrome swift]

That too

[lucid seal]

and you can miss parts of AU just normally exploring anyway

[chrome swift]

Fully exploring all Watcher regions is... certainly a task

[marble carbon]

If she gets to true ending without ever finding pearl room I would be sad

[chrome swift]

Oh, I fully expect that to happen, personally

[lucid seal]

i don't think it'll be that surprising either

[chrome swift]

Going back to fully explore Ancient Urban just isn't intuitive while there's so many other, interconnected regions

[lucid seal]

yeahh

[marble carbon]

Anyway, I mainly came here to say that tomodachi is gonna take over my life so I can't felp for a while

[tribal swift]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/305139167300550666/1488945649239064606/milipede_pet.gif

[chrome swift]

My birthday is coming soon so I'll be getting it then (it's not gonna decrease my felping time though nothing can take that away from me )

Ahhhh, I still remember my time playing Tomodachi Life 1... good times, good times

Actually I probably still have it buried somewhere if I wanted to look for it-

[marble carbon]

I made my lttm mii in the demo and im pissed because I accidentally made her antenna reversed with the eyebrows

I'll fix it tonight

[chrome swift]

(I mean, I never would've noticed, honestly-)

[marble carbon]

Vro

Tomodachi in 3 hours

https://tenor.com/view/kingpin-kingpin-clicking-pen-clicking-pen-spider-verse-into-the-spider-verse-gif-5180708998338482135

[chrome swift]

From just the demo alone, you can tell how good the full game is gonna be...

[marble carbon]

I might actually remove the eyebrows and paint the antenna on

[chrome swift]

To me, the part I'm most excited for (even if all the truly new things are cool too) is just having more control over the Miis relationships

[marble carbon]

Also we're being off topic in felpers

[chrome swift]

Well, conversation ends there I guess, 'cause I'm not moving channels

[marble carbon]

ok see like how her antenna go straight up

i wanted to try and match that

but i was too lazy to look for reference

face holding back tears indeed

face holding back tears is a fire iterator name

[chrome swift]

Is it just me or is Moon's skin supposed to be lighter than this?

[marble carbon]

it's the lighting

[chrome swift]

Ahhhhh, I seeee

[marble carbon]

her in game

[chrome swift]

Yep

[chrome swift]

Which is still lighter than this skin tone-

[marble carbon]

once again, rawdogged the mii, no reference

[chrome swift]

Well, you got close, at least

[inner saffron]

ollie discovers vanilla room that's always been there

though I'm not sure what golden lizard he means

the sandbox token that is there is for white lizards

the lizards in the surrounding rooms are not golden either

[chrome swift]

Golden Lizards are Caramels

Whiterer Lizards are also Caramels, but Ollie hasn't realized that yet

[inner saffron]

caramels are unable to access this room

and none spawn nearby

unless he moved on from that room

[drifting swift]

conspicuously yellow orange

[chrome swift]

I mean, I don't think he was thinking about what was nearby, just what the arena icon was

[drifting swift]

could watcher have fumbled some tokens and accidentally put golden lizards there

sounds somewhat implausibel

[chrome swift]

No, Caramels are in Outer Expanse; pretty sure Ollie already had that unlock

[drifting swift]

golden lizards as in oranges

nvm he's backtracking on it

it was probably just white lizards and he didnt see

[chrome swift]

Goldens are Caremels though-

Oranges have always been Orange

[drifting swift]

they can be yellow thou

[inner saffron]

it is actually white lizards, the interactive map shows what the token is as well if you want to verify it

that's what he unlocked

but he thinks something else for some reason

[drifting swift]

the caramel icon is a kinda brownish anyway

[inner saffron]

yea

[drifting swift]

its not very golden at all

[inner saffron]

he has a bit of doubt about it being the "golden lizards" because he remembers the icon being different

[raw gazelle]

Yeah. We're also kinda waiting for him to discover an echo that had also been there and behind which the entirety of the DLC is hidden.

[inner saffron]

yea

that is in fact the problem

he's onto the echo being the reward in my hint although he's not entirely sure and he still hasn't figured out what the "wings" meant, I gave an extra minor nudge but he may need a larger one

[raw gazelle]

He's getting bored, demotivated and frustrated. I think we should consider nudging him a little more concretely.

He's not having fun.

But gotta ask him first.

[inner saffron]

the goal with my riddle was to point out how at the end of each chain extending from the starting region is an echo, and he's found two of the three

if he figures it out in full, not only does it tell him what he needs to do but also where he needs to go

but he's not close to figuring it out

[raw gazelle]

Perhaps, but as we can see, Ollie is mot good with riddles.

[inner saffron]

yea, so I've found

[raw gazelle]

So we may need to provide the clue in a different format.

[inner saffron]

my next hint, if I were to make one, would be to explain the wings part of it since he has the correct idea for what the reward is, even if he's unsure about it

specifically pointing out how there are three accessible gates from the starting region

and how he's found two of the three "rewards"

maybe some of that is too far but he really isn't having fun and even though he doesn't like direct stuff, he might need it since he likely won't go on the right track otherwise

I don't want to just up and tell him "look nearby the shoreline area in shaded citadel"

that's a last resort

[raw gazelle]

Well, I think he has enough intuitive knowledge to know he's looking for an echo.

We could just confirm it, and tell him there's one echo he hasn't found yet that has been there this whole time.

Maybe, with a bit of luck, he can have a spark of inspiration and connect the dots with his Saint campaign.

Because in Saint, the Shaded Echo is the only one that isn't there anymore, because Shaded doesn't exist at that point.

Something a bit more concrete that at least gives him something to work with.

Or maybe we could also drop the vague hints and just tell him to head to Shaded. He looks tired and frustrated. I think all he wants at this point is to move on already, but he might be a little too stubborn to admit it.

I mean, it's an echo location from all the way in Vanilla. How much of a spoiler for Watcher would that be? At this point it's literally required knowledge.

I know spilling the beans in this manner might be a little extreme, but Ollie's case is out of the ordinary. His instinct for orientation is... Something else entirely.

[inner saffron]

did he complete saint? I haven't watched the downpour thread

[raw gazelle]

Head straight to Farm Arrays and Sub on his first playthrough, and spent hours doing laps around Moon's chamber as Spearmaster because he didn't remember where Moon was.