Old Watcher FP Guide Coordination [Archived]

[keen oyster]

||ig the thing thats throwing me off is that all of my portals turned yellow at the exact same time even though i made them quite a few cycles apart|| 1.5 spoilers

They also said that ||their rifts werent yellow but some rifts wouldnt properly open so they tried making another rift in an already occupied room. Going through it and back turned them all yellow and the threads appeared then||

[coarse egret]

how many portals were there

[keen oyster]

Based on these, ||about 4 manual ones||

[keen oyster]

||"hm||
||not all of them did turn yellow||
||at least 2 were yellow and they both dissapeared||
||as for non yellow ones I'll check at next save"||
What they replied

[coarse egret]

yeah that seems expected then

anyway though 1.5 content is allowed untagged I'll still tag as courtesy

||activating the weaver in one warp also seals a random remaining warp||

[keen oyster]

Alrighty

Wait 1.5 content is allowed untagged here ?
Why Its barely been 1 month

[coarse egret]

extension of #watcher-spoilers; the 1.5 tag requirement has already been causing genuine issues there since a sizeable portion of people were new to 1.5 (e.g. being console players, or just delaying Watcher until the content update)

and also a big majority were in favour of dropping it

[keen oyster]

But

Its barely been

1 month

[sterile atlas]

I'm with igna on this but.... Majority vote

[keen oyster]

Also "the 1.5 tag requirement has already been causing genuine issues there since a sizeable portion of people were new to 1.5"
Wouldnt this mean people would, want spoiler tags, since theyre new to 1.5...?

[coarse egret]

quite the opposite!

the issue: you know what content exists in 1.5, and you do not know what content exists in 1.0

hence, no way to know what needs to be tagged

the vast majority of people in #watcher-spoilers who have started at 1.5 have already completed 1.5 and therefore were having their communication hampered by this

tagging only 1.5 content only really benefits the userbase that has completed 1.0 but not 1.5, which is a portion that by its very nature only shrinks over time

[keen oyster]

Okay ig

Still think its weird to allow untagging when it hasnt been a month but whatever, sure

[covert totem]

I'm just avoiding most channels anyway, I agree the tags should be there longer but also I'm fine not going into the channels

I'm just still in this coordination thread because it's still using spoil tags and I do talk here sometimes

[prisma linden]

Every watcher first player is playing 1.5

None are playing 1.0

So felpers who haven't completed 1.5 should be on full hiatus in the first place probably

[rapid river]

except me

[sterile atlas]

this is why i stopped felping to beat watcher again and focused on beating watcher

[covert totem]

Does this starting message need to be blasted? I'm too afraid of clicking on the thread to check lol https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1429867063039627475

[winter peak]

yuh

[prisma linden]

#1356257931364143325 message is it warranted to tell em about the bonus 1.5 prince dialogue you get by locking out rot ending with weaver ending?

[keen oyster]

Uhhh perhaps

Its really sut a lsoe-lose situation if someone really wants to see everything
No matter what ||youre gonna be locked out of something involving Prince||

[prisma linden]

A player whose first echo ever is the salination->terrace one

[lucid seal]

going to hope they don't repeatedly try to cross the terrace gap 🥹

[prisma linden]

They've clicked that it's impossible and now are dealing with the torment of doubling back and finding a second portal in salination to escape

[raw gazelle]

Such an unfortunate evolution of events.

Almost like the people that on their first playthrough they ended up beelining straight to Sub.

I wonder if they're the same person. That would be some really bad luck.

[coarse egret]

btw if anyone asks about the score screen in the ending: it is the hibernation screen if you have MSC enabled and Hunter permadeath if you have it disabled

idk if it came up in watcher FP threads, but you can answer it if someone is confused at why there's a dead Hunter

[raw gazelle]

That would be quite the jaring end to a journey.

Dead Hunter screen is pretty dramatic. The only worse death screen is the starvation screen.

[keen oyster]

Yea I got the hunter screen
Mine also bugged out and stopped counting so it was softlocked and I never got to see my final score lol

[fleet sedge]

#1431405932776259614 message blast needed

scurries away

[lucid seal]

if only i had perms

[sterile atlas]

#1420889366284341420 message yes!! i finally know what the hunterknowing is for this time

[lucid seal]

||the five evil monster kelps next cycle||

[sterile atlas]

yep

i still wonder why they did that

[lucid seal]

funny

[fleet sedge]

#1429433185879724095 message

…

can someone keep an eye on this thread they’re being spoiled every like 5 seconds

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1216977393000910908/1216977393353490503/meek_2599.gif

i think they got spoiled on daemon portals when their max karma is literally. two

[keen oyster]

[fleet sedge]

i really need to beat water so i can honorary felp

[lucid seal]

🥹

[sterile atlas]

#1409558587109412995 message i can only imagine how long this gys watcher thread will be (posting it here cause watcher campaign length might be a spoiler?)

[covert totem]

Consider the length Cas's watchering will be

[sterile atlas]

i did

[fleet sedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1408838189774540941/1409296617894445218/pissboy.gif

watcher felping is so hard

[sterile atlas]

#1432327856687681607 message really low ripple - i think that might have something to do with it

may be wrong

[coarse egret]

it depends on maximum ripple, and yeah you need max to be at at least 7 to be able to hatch the prince bulb

[sterile atlas]

ok cool

this op seems to want very explicit hints though but il try tell them to explore if they cant make the 3rd portal (hoping they find spinning top a few more times)

[lethal fossil]

They will surely

[sterile atlas]

#1378199143083933696 message : watcher ripples

the groundwork for advancing cycles without even entering a shelter is there

we just gotta makeit look like a shelter and add a fancy cryostasis animation

but dont tell hearts that because its a spoiler

[sterile atlas]

#1424126871141879808 message hunterknowing [saint spoiler]

[raw gazelle]

Oh wait, wrong thread.

[fleet sedge]

wait

watcher 1.5 soilers in title

||#1434230546640142396 message||

hope spoilering that worked

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1415081823079501885/1433202393012502728/614387591.gif

[Spoilers] reminds me of [Spoilers] 🔥

ty halves

[covert totem]

Yuh

[sterile atlas]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1357907663358525522
sol may finish watcher soon they have just achieved the weaver ending

hes started the ending sequence
edit: hes finished now

[coarse egret]

correction

if you have MSC disabled, then you have Ascension as Watcher's score background if you have a completed Hunter campaign and Hunter permadeath otherwise

[keen oyster]

Thats so weird

Why is Hunter the deciding factor Watcher doesnt even do anything with it

Does Watcher even get a Hunter flower in the vanilla regions youre in for like 10 minutes

[prisma linden]

Is the hunter flower something that can show up for scugs outside of gourmand

[lucid seal]

pretty sure it can yeah

[prisma linden]

That's pretty cool if true

Is it only since downpour too or was it a feature ever since vanilla

[lucid seal]

i think it's a vanilla feature

i only know because it's part of a rwsc 🥹

[prisma linden]

#1406182650099535974 message

Do they not have 1.5 l guess

[lucid seal]

how do you even 🥹

[lucid seal]

#1425218200538320946 message can someone spoiler blast this modded thread 🥹 i'd do it myself but i'm a little scared to edit an over 30 day old post

[sterile atlas]

tbh im unsure of the watcher spoiler protocols of the modded thread

[lucid seal]

same policy as vanilla

[sterile atlas]

aether ridge monksilly

[lucid seal]

[sterile atlas]

#1406182650099535974 message add "rothost" to the creature names

[sterile atlas]

#1439685359540633681 message
Possible watcher softlock because of a bug??

[coarse egret]

will attribute to a modded bug

[lucid seal]

well

@tribal swift i meant to ping you here

that didn't happen

forwarded it to the wrong thread

[tribal swift]

whar

[lucid seal]

i accidentally forwarded one of your messages to the pinned locked thread and not this one

[tribal swift]

LOL i was wondering why i got pinged there

[lucid seal]

wanted to ask about this though because if there is another way across the left side that's news to me too

[tribal swift]

i give up dodging watcher spoilers
i havent even really enjoyed playing watcher and just dread it atp, maybe learning more about the lore will get my interest back

[lucid seal]

me when i can't read thread names correctly

[lucid seal]

relatable, i've lost motivation to play watcher for weeks now

i know the lore is apparently good but

i don't know

[tribal swift]

unless im misunderstanding where they are starting from.....

watcher is confusing
from what i remember there was never a time i had to cross the fly swarm bc i never even learned how to without dying

[keen oyster]

I dont think Badlands is designed very well cuz I just kinda bruteforced it with puffs
I still dont know what the actual answer is

[tribal swift]

Apparently if you coat yourself in the spore puff smell they leave you alone for a bit

Too stinky

[keen oyster]

Ive been meaning to ask and I just got this refreshed on my mind from a recent thread but
What happens to region connections on a 1.0 save loading into 1.5

Like a preexisting rift that now leads to a new area

Do those just. Not update or smth and that regions just kinda really awkward to get to without random warping and praying, or

Cause that could kinda mess up ||Weaver|| stuff

Or random warping to the region but trying to exit through the portal but the other end has already been set

[covert totem]

I'm playing it a bit now, but same, it's a little... annoying

[covert totem]

I've been at it for like two hours, so many variables that could go wrong🥹

Just make invis work on locusts for longer that's all I ask

[sterile atlas]

the 'actual' way is ||indigo lizard spit paint, that keeps the locusts away||

but i did it with max ripple cause i couldnt figure it out lol

last echo i saw

[lethal fossil]

This is not the only actual way. Sporepuffs is one of solutions. I wouldn't even call that bruteforcing

Rather smart application of given resources

[prisma linden]

Well what some people do for the west end with the echo is tame (or otherwise lure) the skink that spawns right next to there

But there's a bajillion different approaches

I didn't overcomplicate myself l just waited till max ripple and then just walked through no issue

[tribal swift]

• lizard spit
• mud
• spore puffs
• the paint things
• max ripple

[lethal fossil]

Max ripple as well as mentioned before

[tribal swift]

yay yay

[prisma linden]

A movement techy person can survive slidepouncing their way thru the whole thing

[tribal swift]

why be stinky if you are simply too fast for the locusts to catch

[lethal fossil]

Slidepouncing isn't enough as far as I am aware

[spark basalt]

just eijump the entire desert

[covert totem]

Just burrow like an indigo through the whole thing

[frank kraken]

Hi I'm here now

[rapid river]

[lucid seal]

why is sprinkles getting removed everywhere

[coarse egret]

i am evil

[fleet sedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1395443890248618045/1422696505705238659/76095246.gif

[rapid river]

today randi is evil

[coarse egret]

removing sprinkles from your thread

ok watcher thread doesn't have sprinkles

downpour one suffices

[lucid seal]

NOOOO SPRINKLES

[lucid seal]

can you remove sprinkles from here too

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1299923377925918720

[fleet sedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1127577485589086248/1372563569912320100/109816361_puter.gif

[tribal swift]

@ashen dew

[covert totem]

Is he cold; does he need a warm hat 🥹

[tribal swift]

Ngl when I got to the locusts I just chained rolls across and they didn’t touch me

[fleet sedge]

major spoielrs in first message + someone is giving help that’s way too direct

i’d take care of it myself but i’ve already told the op to spoiler tag the stuff and i don’t wanna also scream at someone for giving direct advice because that makes me look like i’m 1984 no fun allowed

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1411700744368685169/1411700745266270291/1433727251.gif

[lucid seal]

ill delete both messages

[fleet sedge]

THANK YOU

[lucid seal]

obliterated from existence

since you're typing ill leave you to it

[fleet sedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1179973896976474142/1179976283447382097/Gug.gif

[sterile atlas]

1984 ONLY fun allowed

[keen oyster]

I dont have access to my computer rn to find the text files so if anyone could help

[sterile atlas]

#downpour-lore message

It has the watcher lore dialogs too

Heavy spoils for downpour and watcher obviously

[keen oyster]

That was posted before Watcher even came out iirc
Do we really need to worry about that-

[sterile atlas]

Yeah but it's updated

[lucid seal]

doesn't have the tutorial text though

from what i can tell

[keen oyster]

Ah, damb

[fleet sedge]

title change and soiler blast needed

[lucid seal]

IGNA ATE IT

[fleet sedge]

tyy

[lucid seal]

DANGIT

[spark basalt]

igna

[keen oyster]

:3c

[sterile atlas]

This is a great meme though

[fleet sedge]

True…

[lucid seal]

#1386120297199177758 message should this be exploded 🥹

even if it's just art inspired from the steam page stuff it is still signal spires technically

[fleet sedge]

YES

definitely 🥹

we consider the wall a spoiler don't we

that's from the steam page of rain world

[keen oyster]

Yeah

[tribal swift]

💥

[keen oyster]

What happens if someone never ends up getting to OR before meeting ||Weaver enough times to stop badwarps||
||How would the player get to OR then to awaken Prince||

[sterile atlas]

unfortunate evolution, the WORA-WRSA warp

[keen oyster]

Does that not seal until youve been to OR once

[sterile atlas]

no..? neither of them should i dont think

oh ... the ||warps to unforftunate evolution close after meeting the weaver too many times i think, leaving the WORA-WRSA warp as the last option? i think?||

||and even thats only activated when travelling from daemon to outer rim at least once||

[keen oyster]

I cant test on my laptop rn
Someone might have to check the code maybe

[sterile atlas]

and requires max ripple

[keen oyster]

They must have some sort of backup for that
||Rot ending isnt required since that can obviously be locked out of but OR itaelf needs to be accessible||

[sterile atlas]

max ripple and daemon dont require prince

[keen oyster]

||Yea but final end does||

[sterile atlas]

ok what im saying is
||if max ripple and daemon dont require prince, the player can visit outer rim using the daemon-rim connection and still see the prince. I dont know the exact requirements to fulfill that requirement, maybe they need to see the prince itself or just visit the throne at least once but it should still be possible either way||

[prisma linden]

Daemon is the only way

UE and badwarps are inaccessible

1.0 had the thing where daemon-OR had to be unlocked first by passing through the OR side but they changed that for 1.5 l think. It's always 2 way now l think.

[spark basalt]

^^ Daemon is the way to get to OR

[keen oyster]

I vaguely remember OR not being accessible through Daemon if I hadnt opened the portal yet

[coarse egret]

#1356256638541103114 message

[keen oyster]

ic

I may be blind /lh lmao

[fleet sedge]

life if my felper application got accepted

[tribal swift]

Did you reapply for your new account / let staff know what happened

[winter peak]

always reapply after a batch passes

no harm in it

[fleet sedge]

you know the drill

[lucid seal]

💥

[fleet sedge]

they’ve already seen it but like. attempting to influence a fp

[tribal swift]

I was just about to say something then I see rattuse already there

[lucid seal]

on the felp

[sterile atlas]

@tribal swift i know whats going on there, his ripple level isnt high enough to float

[tribal swift]

ohh 🥹

does it actually let you just fly around freely? i was observing weird inputs in the mmovement chat before but maybe it was unrelated

[sterile atlas]

when ripple is at like 8 or more it starts making sligcat float before cloaking them

maybe it was 7

idk but their ripple is on like 2

[fleet sedge]

5 iirc

[lucid seal]

yeah it's not like actual levitation, but it gives you a few second floating boost so people just call it levitating

[sterile atlas]

context btw #1432916763946913854 message

[tribal swift]

ohh so movementers are spamming it to get more movement

[sterile atlas]

yeah lol

[tribal swift]

very movementful

[lucid seal]

yeah they are 🥹

[sterile atlas]

even i exploit that a lot

[tribal swift]

watcher casually flying above all threats

[sterile atlas]

pretty much

[fleet sedge]

#1447712528024080465 message 1.5 soils in first msg

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1170977239739924510/1180669144740401193/scuggle_7480_and_3075.gif

[tribal swift]

💥

[fleet sedge]

ty

[rapid river]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1448071857273180402
idk how no one noticed this so i had to (also i think "big portal" is a spoiler, correct?)

[fleet sedge]

of course

[rapid river]

oh well igna got that one

[rapid river]

makes sense (im tad dumdum)

[lucid seal]

@sterile atlas

🥹

[sterile atlas]

I forgot to rejoin this..?

Thx rat

[covert totem]

Do we consider "ending 3" a spoiler? I would assume so (igna reposted and I edited regardless and just in case)https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1450309338198442146

[tribal swift]

yes

[sterile atlas]

Id count the quantity of endings in the watcher a spoiler

[covert totem]

[tribal swift]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1450294670860222517.gif?quality=lossless&name=veryshroomful&size=48

[rapid river]

[spark basalt]

[rapid river]

i ated your murhsoom

[tribal swift]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1450294670860222517.gif?quality=lossless&name=veryshroomful&size=48

[rapid river]

i ated it again

[lucid seal]

yumy

[covert totem]

🥹 mods spoiling Cas on watcher

Could pretend it was saint instead /silly

[tribal swift]

Yeah she dmed me about it
I told her it’s not a huge spoiler but it’s odd that a mod would include that sound out of nowhere

[covert totem]

I mean it makes sense why but at the same time Spinning Top is the one who makes those noises, not just any echo 🥹

[tribal swift]

The other echos are fun haters (loreful reason)

[coarse egret]

the voice in the trailer turns out to be the weaver anyway

[tribal swift]

the plot twist

[covert totem]

It's all just James

[winter peak]

well we did get some spinning top sounds from windchimes

but yeah I doubt cas was referring to that

[narrow scroll]

so many people get scared they're gonna get a bad ending or something when they accidentally eat Looks to the Moon's neurons

I wonder if that's intentional, story-wise?

Once you get there you're already physically lost (given you're at a dead end, and you've just scared off your objective marker), and then the game makes you think you've broken the story as well.

I bring this up here since the Watcher's campaign does something similar with the whole concept of a wrong warp. If you get curious about what it does, you "break the story", and yet that is in fact exactly what you need to do to see more of the game.

[marsh marsh]

Wrong warp to reach Outer Rim right?

[fleet sedge]

pin requested

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1395443890248618045/1422696505294323842/35741449.gif

[prisma linden]

@covert totem

• star stressing about chance of level of retreading for previous regions

• star got already told there'll be way to gain karma

• star got already told badlands will have progression content

The mental bullet points I'd went through

[covert totem]

Implies ||there's only a select few regions with what seems to be a similar goal, which is "moar karma," and it can be referred there's an echo. What was priorly established (from what I'm seeing) is that he can get more karma. Again /nm ||

[prisma linden]

Based on this l thought l didn't accidentally insinuate any real new info

Will understand tho if l judged incorrectly

But without reason will otherwise think it may be a reach

[lucid seal]

i do think this was one of those cases where it's best not to offer help unless directly asked
i personally feel like watcher is the kind of campaign that unless someone asks for hints it's best not to give or offer any, especially direct ones, unless they're required (||ex. pinecone weirdo locking you out of rot ending||) or OP is frustrated and asking, the lack of handholding or clear goal in watchy was my favorite part about it

i don't think asking had any harm done though

though i do understand where halves is coming from too

star seems to have found out and made the assumption themselves about it not being all regions but there's definitely the chance someone might not have pieced that together

[prisma linden]

Yeah that's the thing that l asked if they wanted it, and thought that'd be innocent

[lucid seal]

yeah in this situation it was fine at least 🥹

[keen oyster]

Star is finding practically only Daemon rifts 🥹

[lucid seal]

yeah i don't even know how

[keen oyster]

Isnt there only like, 1 Daemon rift in every region

[lucid seal]

yes 🥹

[keen oyster]

🥹

[sterile atlas]

Oh they are Daemon rifts are they

There's 1 in most but not all

[lucid seal]

star is going to crash out when they realize they all lead to the same place

[prisma linden]

Naw, every region has one now

[coarse egret]

even prologue regions and the rotted equivalents of vanilla regions? /j

[prisma linden]

Even downpour region

[sterile atlas]

Even Rubicon has one

[fleet sedge]

my house has one

[keen oyster]

I hate the Badlands run I wont be surprised if Star gives up on that or asks for more help

[keen oyster]

I gotta go to bed but can zomeone help them out https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1453214537368211528

[narrow scroll]

Escort

(testing something)

[true jasper]

[winter peak]

why the 15 minute delay

you can do better I think

[true jasper]

Was at work, serving customers

[prisma linden]

[narrow scroll]

And yet, you have entirely missed the one in RWMS. HA

[true jasper]

Never said I could be summoned outside the mainworld server

Should've read the fine print

[narrow scroll]

hmmmmmmmmmm

[fleet sedge]

#1453523038225170592 message should this be blasted because of “all endings”

not blasted

minor enough to where we can just ask the op to spoil it probably

i’d do tnat myself but idk. maybe a wee little bit scared nevermind 💥

[lucid seal]

||yellow feathers in a region mean the weaver is present there, right? i was wondering what the exact mechanics are behind it like needing to be in ripple space before or something because i'm watching my partner play watcher and there were golden feathers in shattered terrace, but the weaver wasn't in their only spawn location||

||the golden portals also don't have the weaver webs to guide a path to the weaver's location in ripple space, no idea if that's purposeful though since i just finished watcher idk if he somehow broke something by using dial warps mainly||

||he has fetid and torrential marked with feathers but no webs in ripple space or weaver there either, because of this he's getting the wrong idea that he has to spread the feathers like rot and idk what to do since he doesn't want hints from me at all ||

||he has met the weaver twice so far||

[prisma linden]

Yes

|| you need to enter the screen with the woven portal first and then search the weaver, in the same cycle ||

[lucid seal]

||he's not getting the guide webs which is confusing me the most||

[lucid seal]

that's good to know though

[rapid river]

i love silent reposting

[prisma linden]

|| They're a bit unreliable at showing up esp in big rooms ||

[lucid seal]

that's awful

||for it not to work in not only one region but three makes me a bit worried||

[lucid seal]

#1454621828311154965 message @prisma linden this is such a peak hint

[prisma linden]

[fleet sedge]

heh. anyone feeling up for a 𝓫𝓵𝓪𝓼𝓽? #1443632292445814796 message

(thread name)

[lucid seal]

so ||dial warps|| are broken with this

||feathers will still show up on the region but weaver will not spawn at all from what i've seen, no auroras or webs in ripplespace either get spawned by those portals. likely to do with how they appear golden for a second or two but disappear off the visible map once they've been sealed||

just in case in the future someone is trying to ||summon weaver and investigate the feathers but is stuck since theyre primarily using dial warps to travel||

will write a bug report on this later

[prisma linden]

#1443632292445814796 message

is getting near the UE entrance

is locked out permanently of it due to weaver

[marsh marsh]

Dang

[prisma linden]

Fate is cruel

[marsh marsh]

No UE or OR?

[prisma linden]

No you can still go to OR whenever

[marsh marsh]

Oh ok

[prisma linden]

Nothing locks it out

[marsh marsh]

What would you say is the worst watcher region?

[lucid seal]

salination is my least favorite

[prisma linden]

Fractured

[marsh marsh]

Fractured isn’t fun

[lucid seal]

i wish they did more with it ngl

[marsh marsh]

Too many worms

[lucid seal]

i love fractured but the gameplay isn't that great

[prisma linden]

Great idea that's horrible to be in

[marsh marsh]

At least the whale is cool

[lucid seal]

nor does it do or feel the same as verdant even though it's supposed to be a future version or something

yeah the whale is awesome

[marsh marsh]

I think Heat Ducts is one of the hardest regions

It has really funky platforming

[lucid seal]

i honestly really like the platforming there compared to other regions

[marsh marsh]

Yeah

It’s probably the most difficult region that’s still fun to play

Unlike Badlands

[prisma linden]

Heat ducts is honestly really cool to me

Daszombes tiered it as his best watcher region and, no that was really a stretch but, l see the appeal

Def the best aetherling

The size is also just right and navigation isn't nasty

Badlands is really hostile

[marsh marsh]

My favorite I think is Torrid

[lucid seal]

i love migration and verdant

[marsh marsh]

Oh yeah

I like Cold Storage a lot

[prisma linden]

My cream of the crop are rusted, torrid, migration, and all stormylings

Torrid is really cozy and homely

Could live there as a scug forever

[marsh marsh]

Yeah

[lucid seal]

ogscule

ogscule region

[marsh marsh]

Indeed

[sterile atlas]

Best region is signal spires

[marsh marsh]

That is very acceptable

[sterile atlas]

KFC is a pretty good aetherling I love KFC

[marsh marsh]

KFC?

[sterile atlas]

Heat ducts -> heat ducks -> KFC

[marsh marsh]

it was part of AR?

[sterile atlas]

Yeah

[marsh marsh]

CS as well right?

[sterile atlas]

It's like WARE or something

[sterile atlas]

I'm pretty sure fold storage is WARC

[marsh marsh]

Watcher Aether Ridge Cold?

[sterile atlas]

Watcher aether ridge A-F

I'm bad at memorising the watcher region names

[lucid seal]

me too

i dont know any of them actually 🥹

[fleet sedge]

they should’ve just named them all WAR[letter]

[lucid seal]

just name them all watcher

we dont need acronyms

[coarse egret]

we need WARIO

[coarse egret]

surface is WARG

[sterile atlas]

The only aetherling I know is shattered terrace which is WARA. And the surface because of moths message above

[coarse egret]

warc is stinky river valley, cold storage is WARD

[sterile atlas]

Darn it

Salivation?

[coarse egret]

what's salivation

[sterile atlas]

Autocorrect business

Idk what it's up to😭

[coarse egret]

oh wait is that meant to be salination

salination is WARB

[sterile atlas]

Sometimes my auto correct just has a mind of it's own

[coarse egret]

wario WARE is heat ducts, aether ridge is WARF

heat ducts is wario WARE because you're doing minigames in dodging all of the obstacles there instead of playing rain world

[sterile atlas]

What else is stinky river valley🥹 oh it's fetid

Omg I got ware right

To be fair the AI doesn't know how to avoid to objects so it's probably either one or the other

From a lediting standpoint

[narrow scroll]

Assuming the "IO" is in base-26, that implies the existence of at least 249 Aether-Ridge-based pockets. Are you sure you want to proceed?

[coarse egret]

Proceed.

[prisma linden]

#1457029481137963130 message

Too much help + also somewhat.. misleading/erroneous?

[covert totem]

[narrow scroll]

What exactly is the bug here? Does the Weaver not show up for dial-warp-produced rifts?

[lucid seal]

nope 🥹

the map icon on the sleep screen will still show as having golden feathers, but the ripplespace webs, aurora, and the actual weaver showing up in the region is never triggered

[narrow scroll]

forwarded this to the Modhole Shadow Government (which should give it good visibility given a lot of Watcher devs are modders)

[lucid seal]

i am famous

[sterile atlas]

Roadkilluse is famous

[fleet sedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1167280437895364699/1172706221116117012/3172_2.gif

[lucid seal]

oh i didn't even see you sent a message here before i repost blasted it 🥹

[sterile atlas]

Boeing yellow

✈️ 🟨

[rapid river]

boeing yellow

[fleet sedge]

dialogue cut by weaver route

[keen oyster]

So uh. Why can they see one of the Watcher achievements?

[fleet sedge]

astray isn’t a hidden achievement iirc

[keen oyster]

Why did they do that

Why would they do that

Every dlc achievement besides that one is hidden

[fleet sedge]

🥹

[keen oyster]

Thanks, Akupara.

[fleet sedge]

new players need to see
Astray
[small text] Astray

i wonder when watcher achievements will get actual descriptions

[keen oyster]

Probably never

Iirc its intentional they dont have descriptions

[fleet sedge]

💔 it just makes it look unfnished???

[keen oyster]

Which just singles out the Watcher dlc even more

[fleet sedge]

don’t steam achievements allow for no description also

[keen oyster]

I think so

[fleet sedge]

wjy on earth would they just make it the achievement title it looks like placeholder text

💔

[keen oyster]

Theyre afraid to give lore

Beyond the very strict story encounters

Real

[fleet sedge]

it’d still be an improvement for them to just make the most nothingburger descriptions ever

Astray
You have gone astray

[keen oyster]

Itd at least make it look more complete

Like how Watcher initially released with basically half its content and holy bugs at first and still has hella bugs

[fleet sedge]

or just like snippets of existing dialogue

[fleet sedge]

salamander id fix 🙏

the floating lizard leg pixel

[keen oyster]

The Lizard Slope™

[fleet sedge]

there’s one arena that has a very specific corner that stuns you if you wedge yourself into it then walk right

not even wedge yourself into it i guess

[keen oyster]

Im getting real tired of stuff releasing in a barely complete state and both of RW's dlcs have not impressed on that front

Watcher by now is pretty good imo but it needed more time in the oven to be a better first impression

Still needs time in the oven by now

[fleet sedge]

thanks akupara (2)

[keen oyster]

Honestly I think a good amount of my disliking for Watcher was the first impression still stining my view on it
It couldve been a lot better to start out with

[fleet sedge]

threat - fetit glen

[covert totem]

I've been pretty tolerant of all its issues recently, but there's a lot of kinks I still think need to be worked out and honestly, the state Watcher's in should've been its state when it was released, not the rot-softlock of before with unanswered questions and etc

[keen oyster]

Watcher needed a lot more time in the oven and a lot more playtesters and time for playtesters to do their thing

[covert totem]

Mind you I haven't done weaver ending so it could get worse but

[fleet sedge]

if the aether ridge regions were tweaked a little (or a lot) watcher would be SO good

they’re all just misery

[keen oyster]

I sure do love Ridgling #12

[covert totem]

The tweaks of 1.5 certainly made them more likable, the threat themes especially

[keen oyster]

As cool as it is having modded regions be featured I dont think we needed every single Ridgling and new ones

[covert totem]

True

[fleet sedge]

my watcher region tier list had every ridgeling in the bottom two tiers and they were the only regions in those two tiers
completely unconscious decision

[keen oyster]

Other modded regions couldve made it in bust instead like. A quarter of the regions are fucking Ridglings

[fleet sedge]

tier list in question

i would put fetid glen in f today

and aether in c

[keen oyster]

Some of them have pretty bad parkour too imo
Most of Heat Ducts is hell

[covert totem]

Man our opinions are vastly different🥹 🥹

[fleet sedge]

heat ducts is SO bad oh my goodness

[covert totem]

Hence why I explored it once I got max ripple🥹

[fleet sedge]

the left side is abysmal to navigate

[covert totem]

Or just straight-up impossible

Cold storage is pretty awful too

[keen oyster]

Like 90% of the region is jsut precarious platforming and death pits

[fleet sedge]

cold storage is ugly and terrible

[keen oyster]

Cold Storage is pretty bad too with its navigation

[covert totem]

Lore of Cold Storage: S tier
Navigation? F

[fleet sedge]

don’t forget the random cyan lizards in the cyclic platforming sections for SOME REASON.

[keen oyster]

Oh my god

[fleet sedge]

only cool thing about the ridgelings is how you can see collapsed bits of them in the surface

[keen oyster]

"You struggling with low ripple on the hard parkour? Fuck you, cyan lizards"

[covert totem]

I love the past and future variants and I think that's the only thing saving them

[fleet sedge]

also the heat coil things are clearly not supposed to interact with them because sometimes cyans just get vaporized when they touch them

there’s a gif of it but i don’t feel like finding it

[covert totem]

Pilgrimage through heat ducts when

[keen oyster]

Vanilla was cool in that its world could become a casual ourney through with enough practice
Watcher is sorta built like you gotta go through the regions properly once and any future times is jsut awful

[covert totem]

Watcher is tailored to exploration, vanilla is tailored to investigation

[fleet sedge]

going through the regions multiple times wasn’t so bad for me ridgelings excluded

[keen oyster]

Especially with the parkour it jsut cant become something you cna just get used to

[covert totem]

I think that's a big difference

[keen oyster]

Anything that wasnt a ridgling seemed more friendly

[fleet sedge]

i spent so much time in torrential and rusted wrecks

those regions are just so homey for some reason idk

[covert totem]

Despite my criticisms I'm gonna go play watcher for a bit time to be scarce in this thread again

[fleet sedge]

especially torrential there’s so much food and so many shelters and the RAIN.

[covert totem]

MMMM I LOVE THE RAINY REGIONS

cough anyway bye for real

[fleet sedge]

appears in your first playthrough thread

[keen oyster]

Pizza may be finishing the campaign tomorrow so Ill be looking forward to that

The ending is so peak it brought up my opinion of the game a good amount by itself

[fleet sedge]

(i was and still am listening to rain sounds while typing this)

[fleet sedge]

oh my goodness yes

still can’t get over ||the daemon part|| and like. the entire thibg really

[keen oyster]

||A cutscene into gameplay? In MY Rain World?? /lh ||

||Without like, a laoding screen too?? Cinema||

[fleet sedge]

||in rattuse’s thread you can see cheesecake in the daemon orb ||

[keen oyster]

|| ||

[fleet sedge]

you were there when that happened but you can just very faintly see mysterious yellow lizard glow

[keen oyster]

Absolute cinema

[fleet sedge]

did that spoiler i hope it did

[keen oyster]

Ye it did
HEHEHE lil peeky,,

[sterile atlas]

Which ending

[keen oyster]

The score screen one

[sterile atlas]

I HAVE to watch that

[sterile atlas]

Pizza has STARTED the final ending arc

#1358134880449331211 message

[keen oyster]

Mapping still ensues though

[sterile atlas]

Yeah it'll be a while it seems

[keen oyster]

Im listening to the Watcher ost on shuffle and the ELSE reprise came on

What timing

[sterile atlas]

Has pizza read the hunters starting stomach pearl with moon

[keen oyster]

Probably

[lilac lotus]

oh hey I can safely be in here now!

[fleet sedge]

spoils your maps

[lucid seal]

spoils watcher 2

[lilac lotus]

Oh wow, backreading through this, me doing the ending was the event of the week huh

[fleet sedge]

we hunger for documentation

[keen oyster]

It gets pretty quiet in here

[lucid seal]

nothing ever happens 🥹

[keen oyster]

Oh yeah theres my thread too
If you wanna look at that

[fleet sedge]

i still need to finish rot ending so i cqn ask for your google doc

i have not forgotten

[covert totem]

Only reason I'm able to be sporadically in here is the silence

🥹

[sterile atlas]

You can see my thread too

[narrow scroll]

#1456460010916675826 message

lol

All the way to Subterranean and they still haven't seen a bottomless pit...

That's good, in this case, I suppose.

[narrow scroll]

Only minorly disappointed they missed Two Sprouts, Twelve Brackets on the way there. Would've been hilarious

[keen oyster]

[sterile atlas]

Just a message to revive thread

Thread got hidden

I have unhiddened it

[prisma linden]

A message to spice up life

[lilac lotus]

Another message to salt and pepper it up

[covert totem]

And a third to mix it around

[sterile atlas]

That's the fourth silly!!!! Btw have a 5th

[coarse egret]

hypothetical case: someone is on a first playthrough of Survivor with Watcher but not Downpour enabled
what channel is appropriate?

vanilla is probably ruled out because of filters

so wouldn't be able to communicate e.g. a precycle/gooieduck/glow weed

sending to downpour seems weird, and sending to watcher also does

[tribal swift]

Maybe just blasted to watcher anyway or asked to disable it

to watcher channel because if they have the dlc they will likely play it next anyway

I have a feeling (myself included) that such a case would be told to go to downpour™ because I forget watcher does spooky things like that

[thin flint]

do both dlcs change basegame campaigns in the same way roughtly? as in addd more lizors and items and the few map changes?

[coarse egret]

the world files are not changed in any way with Watcher

it is only a bunch of DLCShared checks in-code

or similar checks like PrecycleModule

which is mainly Gooieducks/Glow Weed carried by Scavengers, Monk Pearl Colourisation, and Precycles, out of what exists in Story

(Dropwig Glow Weed is a MSC check though )

[sterile atlas]

Id say it's fine in vanilla but if the downpour terms are getting automodded....
Watcher thread seems best for that then

[lucid seal]

i would say downpour first playthroughs personally

mainly because watcher campaign is the main highlight of watcher first playthroughs, and those additions to vanilla campaigns are msc items and additions, not watcher content

the watcher first playthroughs forum isn't currently set up for stuff like monk/survivor/hunter playthroughs either

there isn't strict rules on people documenting in downpour only being able to document with downpour enabled and not able to document vanilla at all, even if people usually separate the two. so even with watcher enabled it would still be close to the vanilla experience compared to msc, and it still feels most suited for downpour forums

[prisma linden]

The cases of this specific situation happening will probably be so niche and rare that it'll be more simple to just delete someone's screenshot of a scav with a glow weed or etc and tell them why on the spot

[sterile atlas]

It'll probably happen one day though so we'd need a protocol for it

Maybe there have been cases (btw this is just speculation on my part as I don't have evidence) where we incorrectly presumed someone's game is downpour when they actually have watcher and no downpour

[winter peak]

forum merger

forum merger

[sterile atlas]

There are still felpers who are still playing through watcher though

[tribal swift]

We don’t even allow soilers in the title or first message so a merger wouldn’t be that invasive if people use tags properly

[winter peak]

that's what I've been saaaaayiiinng

[sterile atlas]

(they won't)

[winter peak]

although watcher allows all vanilla spoilers in thread titles, right?

or at least basic stuff

[sterile atlas]

Also rip my 13 threads if the merger happens

[winter peak]

why do you have 13 threads

active?

[winter peak]

maybe that was just a policy discussed early-on

[sterile atlas]

-Survivor and monk vanilla

• survivor msc
• hunter msc
• arti msc
• gourmand msc
• riv msc
• spearmaster msc
• sait msc
• inv msc
• watcher modded (from before #1387632304461185146 was a thing)
• watcher
• modded

[sterile atlas]

The real loss if the merger happens is castrix threads

[tribal swift]

They would still be archived

[sterile atlas]

Yeah but still

No more messages there

[tribal swift]

She could just link them in her server and pin it

[winter peak]

I believe tankium meant 13 personally owned threads

[tribal swift]

OH

[sterile atlas]

Yeah

Piling up screens of threads is normal for us and is to be expected tbh

If the merger happens id have to either almost double the count (assuming it doesn't merge to #1272670046434492426 ) OR make 1 general thread which I don't want to do because it risks more people being spoiled

I did it like this so people could see my playthroughs without seeing spoils for other scugs

[prisma linden]

I have lots of threads, l read EVERY new activity in all 3 forums and comment on many

I don't keep track, they come in and fade away from my list depending on inactivity

[lucid seal]

i've been blasting them

mostly because there is always going to be that new player that enables watcher with cheats and plays it as a first campaign (and it has already happened once) 🥹

[prisma linden]

There's the player that did inv as their first campaign

[sterile atlas]

If a 3rd DLC releases (I know it won't be for many years but still) id definately want that to be seperate from the other fp forums for a long time to let all the felpers beat it first

[prisma linden]

I feel like people who do that stuff though where they skip campaigns either already know spoilers or sign a wordless acknowledgement that they can and will be exposed to spoilers and it's not our responsibility

Like choosing to watch the last movie in a franchise first

[lucid seal]

i just feel like it's easier to have all spoiler blasting be consistent at least in all forums

(this rule is heavily slacked in modded first playthroughs though )

[prisma linden]

Yeah always gravitate to the easiest catch-all options is what l think

[winter peak]

methinks we just make a bot autoblast every title post

no one can get mad about if it it's automatic and even

[sterile atlas]

There's also just not much wrong with our current system

[prisma linden]

An auto bot would be really hard to get to work foolproof

[lucid seal]

first messages are nice to customize

[prisma linden]

Someone titles This Game Is Garbage Grr! And it gets blocked because the keyword picked up region name garbage wastes

[lucid seal]

after the repost incident in my thread i don't think it's something that should be taken away just because most put soilers in their starting messages

they're the ones not reading the rules and guides to not spoil in the first message 🥹

[prisma linden]

Someone titles Can I Eat The Pebbles On The Ground? And it gets blocked because it detects fp (felpebblers )

[sterile atlas]

That's a good point ....

[lucid seal]

and the typos

how to get out of this place called industry complex?

[prisma linden]

Overhang is a really common typo

[lucid seal]

chimnie canopee

[coarse egret]

means basically the same thing as Uberhang

[lucid seal]

i did this myself and confused my friend when i first played

[coarse egret]

can't believe downpour developers misspelt Überhang

[prisma linden]

Someone writes TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOBS for fun and by pure luck puts the correct number of Os and gets flagged

[coarse egret]

solution:

[prisma linden]

I know not one but two youtubers who played rainworld and obliviously said the expression "l have crossed the rubicon" in the middle of a survivor playthrough. That's pretty funny to me

[keen oyster]

Im not too terribly against merging but I dont really want it either ?
It works right now as is

[lucid seal]

i still feel the same as i did before where i doubt first playthroughers are going to be on top of updating tags/titles to reflect dlc content when most already aren't following guidelines

[sterile atlas]

Downpour spoiler in watcher fp guide coord

[sterile atlas]

WHAT

[coarse egret]

ok wait yeah I forgot that this is a Spoiler Downpour zone

imo it makes sense to have the thread as an exception though

you know what, fuck it

cc <@&1137895527271379055>

[sterile atlas]

chimney canopy but lower case

[winter peak]

are there any unwatcher'd fpelpers left actually

[sterile atlas]

Yeah

[lucid seal]

yes 🥹

[winter peak]

(with the role)

[keen oyster]

Yes

[tribal swift]

many are

[winter peak]

that's crazy

[sterile atlas]

Castrix hasn't played watcher which alone is a good reason to delay a merge

[keen oyster]

Real...

[prisma linden]

Merging dp and watcher would be a mess because there's already a vague establishment where ppl talk freely about downpour campaigns earlier in the unlock order to their current one

And how watcher would slot into that melting pot, l don't know

[tribal swift]

i have not beaten watcher because it is too upsetting to play
another chance 🔜

[coarse egret]

Watcher FP Guide Coordination [Untagged Downpour Spoilers]

doubt the poll results will change

[sterile atlas]

The results: * changes immediately*

[sterile atlas]

Saint dies in the end

[prisma linden]

Saint gets rejected by his crush, search up Saint Heartbreak Ending for more

[keen oyster]

Yet another suffers to the Locust Run https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1463002500062904413

[coarse egret]

any relatively popular misconceptions lately

[narrow scroll]

Misconceptions?

[coarse egret]

gameplay misconceptions

the main one I recall from older watcher days is big moths take on the colour of the background they spawn on because the way the Greyscreen mod works has misled people

seems to not be present at all nowadays

[narrow scroll]

IDK I rarely actually check the Watcher playthroughs

[keen oyster]

Wiat thats not how they work

[coarse egret]

all creater fetch the palette of the room that they're currently located in

afaik the misconception comes from that one rainbow moths gif which was created because the Greyscreen mod changes the palette without making the creatures' graphics module detect a change in palette

it's fairly easy to check being false if you instead use Dev Tools to change the room palette, as the Big Moth's appearance changes instantly then

[keen oyster]

I mean
That technically means they still work by taking on the color of the background?

Its just alterable

[coarse egret]

the key word of it is spawn, with the implication that it won't change if you bring it into a different region

basically people thinking the rainbow moth thing is something that can happen in normal gameplay instead of being a mod byproduct

[narrow scroll]

What rainbow moth thing

[narrow scroll]

cool

... how does that work

[coarse egret]

greyscreen changes the palette without making any creatures detect that the palette has changed to update their appearance accordingly

that's really the main thing that created the gif

[fleet sedge]

greyscreen gains sentience and begins using screentogif

[narrow scroll]

Ah so they're on bright-color backgrounds?

[coarse egret]

• make palette red with greyscreen
• spawn moth, will be red
• make palette orange with greyscreen
• previous moth won't be updated as the palette changed wasn't communicated to it
• spawn moth, will be orange
• make palette yellow with greyscreen
• etc etc

[narrow scroll]

cool

Y'know a lot of other creatures align their colors to the palette, there's probably a lot of gifs you could make with that

[lucid seal]

whats screen to gif? you mean greytogif?

[fleet sedge]

oh yeah i meant the revolutionary new program that allows you to convert the color grey into a rain world gif

[narrow scroll]

Pretty sure that counts as AI image generation and is therefore not allowed on this server

[fleet sedge]

it’s run by 100% real green lizards

[prisma linden]

#1464509643127652425 message

Shelter failure posted in vanilla, but it's via having watcher rather than dp, what's the policy for that?

[coarse egret]

relevant discussion: #1356256638541103114 message

[prisma linden]

I remember the discussion, just didn't know if a consensus was reached

[coarse egret]

didn't expect for it to happen ever

I don't think so

[prisma linden]

Aged poorly

[coarse egret]

fuck it summoning <@&1137895527271379055> for discussion
the situation of no-MSC watcher-enabled survivor playthrough has happened

[fleet sedge]

well would you look at that

[prisma linden]

[tribal swift]

I’m in favor of just having a watcher enabled tag or something ig

[sterile atlas]

doesnt look

[coarse egret]

a problem is filters

[wraith creek]

forum merger forum merger

[tribal swift]

then my previous motion of asking them to move to #1342915289595248701 or disable it
Until forums are merged

[fleet sedge]

banishing them to downpour seems like the best choice but it’s still really weird

[tribal swift]

If they have watcher dlc they will likely play it after anyway

[sterile atlas]

i feel like we need a poll to really determine it

[tribal swift]

Discussion for viable options in the poll

[fleet sedge]

freak out and ask them to disabke watcher

[coarse egret]

i think there are only three viable options

[keen oyster]

Putting them in MSC has the rare risk of spoilers for that. Watcher technically has the same deal but they actually have it on then

[coarse egret]

• keep in vanilla (disable downpour filter)
• move to downpour
• move to watcher

[tribal swift]

@winter peak hi kalum it’s time to unexpectedly merge all fp forums into one ty /j

[coarse egret]

and the first will necessitate more discussion on the staff side lol

[tribal swift]

the evil ghost poll

[coarse egret]

forgot to specify that the playthrough is Survivor (just to make it really clear what it's about)

[fleet sedge]

if campaign tags were added to watcher first playthroughs i think it’d be fine?

[tribal swift]

Wouldn’t be a difficult addition I don’t think

[fleet sedge]

keeping in vanilla is the only option i am very against

would create an insane amount of unnecessary confusion

if you have no dlcs you go in vanilla but if you have only watcher and are not playing watcher you also go in vanilla and if you have downpour you go in downpour regardless of whether or not you are playing the downpour campaigns

[keen oyster]

It would be consistent if its just "have dlc enabled = go to dlc forum"

[sterile atlas]

yeah im with gobbler on this one

monk/survivor/hunter/watcher tags

because if th ey have downpour theyll probably be in downpour thread because imo if both then use downpour

[coarse egret]

why does Discord double the amount of people who voted in the total poll while you were online
I thought there were 6 votes until I accidentally refreshed Discord trying to Ctrl+T

[fleet sedge]

just for fun i guess

it’s doing the same for me

[sterile atlas]

great platform that has no bugs

very thorooughly tested before update ships

[fleet sedge]

something something enshittification

[unique turret]

no way it's just like sprinkles updates

[sterile atlas]

i worded that very badly

[coarse egret]

thankfully Sprinkles is not in this thread

[unique turret]

glad to see that im following the same coding practices as a multimillion dollar company 😌

or maybe it's that a multimillion dollar company is following my coding practices?

[tribal swift]

@ashen dew

[coarse egret]

thankfully Sprinkles is not in this thread

[tribal swift]

@ashen dew

[fleet sedge]

wow i’m so glad sprinkles has never been here

i think i could reference 1984 somehow but i’m not sure how so you just get this message

[lean abyss]

Mod war

[prisma linden]

Sprinkles shot dead in the wall

[prisma linden]

Can randi moth remove randi moth, like a snake eating its own tail, creating an antimatter singularity

[tribal swift]

I even silent joined

[sterile atlas]

#1456460010916675826 message the watcher disagrees ....

[prisma linden]

If you take longer in watcher than the avg survivor hundred hour first playthrough then you're doing something trippy

Or you are cas

[tribal swift]

I’ve taken longer in watcher so far and haven’t finished

Lost so dropped it and will return later

[prisma linden]

Watcher is my longest playthrough by far but that's because l didn't have a natural survivor blind first run

I think l took 9 hrs

[tribal swift]

So saying I’m doing something trippy isn’t entirely accurate

[prisma linden]

So won't count it

Watcher is trippy in itself

[tribal swift]

I don’t think I’m awful at the game I hope, I’m trying to find things and I use my map n all

[prisma linden]

Eating flowers and staring into the fire simulator

[sterile atlas]

i have more watcher cycles than survivor

[ashen dew]

*warble*

Sprinkles approaches you and smiles, leaning into your hand as you pet!

[frank kraken]

I'm surprised it took that long

[prisma linden]

Nice

Not my actual final time and cycles just a funny screenshot from during the playthrough

[sterile atlas]

this is a very unfortunate development evolution

[frank kraken]

Nice

[lethal fossil]

You have the watcher enabled on your vanilla playthrough so please move to downpour category

[sterile atlas]

downpour enabled, please move your playthrough to offtopic genderal

[rapid river]

enabled, please move

[sterile atlas]

#1270823904247546017 message indigo

[fleet sedge]

yuh

i wish their mobility was a little better

they are just unreasonably sily

[sterile atlas]

very hard guess 🥹

[fleet sedge]

what is this why are you like this

[rapid river]

i love that becuase of a bug indigos dig into out of bounds for no reason

i had to use dev tools to drag mine back

[narrow scroll]

[rapid river]

idk if its fixed but it was like days after 1.5 released

[fleet sedge]

THAT KEPT HAPPENING TO ME

[rapid river]

🥹

[rapid river]

how would you respond to this? #1443632292445814796 message

[keen oyster]

Considering theyve now beaten the final ending I think itd be okay to give some info ?

[rapid river]

i should ask them

idk maybe my wording is still stupid as hell

aaaa idk how to respond to thisssss

[sterile atlas]

nice

[covert totem]

In that case should we add campaign tags to watcher FPs, or at least "Watcher" "Other Campaign(s)"?

[tribal swift]

that will happen for sure
Otherwise we can collectively bite randi

[coarse egret]

⁨other campaigns⁩ is a bad wording but you get it

[narrow scroll]

I see no downside to having more tags rather than less. There's only two in use currently

[coarse egret]

this seems non-urgent enough that I won't ping fpelpers but feel free to do so if you wish

[tribal swift]

<@&1137895527271379055>

[coarse egret]

cc @winter peak and @unique turret as some extra permission/channel organisation people i suppose

[rapid river]

I think the one tag is enough

[lilac lotus]

Agreed, since the other campaigns aren't really a focus of Watcher at all.

[fleet sedge]

calling it that on a first playthrough 🥹

[sterile atlas]

Watcher

[coarse egret]

added a tag

[lilac lotus]

#1468352713426473062 message Spoilers in title and first message

[fleet sedge]

resolved by rattuse and i

[lucid seal]

to be fair... that title isn't appropriate either

[fleet sedge]

💔

i really don’t wanna ask them to change it Again

i’m so sorry rattuse 🥹

[lucid seal]

it's so awkward

i always feel so awkward having to tell people to change things 🥹

[fleet sedge]

samesies

[lilac lotus]

It didn't even really feel inappropriate, but I guess server rules are server rules

at least it's resolved now!

[lucid seal]

it's because of the reference it's from

looking up the joke source out of curiosity is where the issue is really at least to me

[fleet sedge]

#1468352713426473062 message delete this message too if you can

[lucid seal]

i can't 🔥

i don't think anyone can delete thread system messages

there was an issue like this awhile ago too

average discord

[fleet sedge]

thank you discord

[rapid river]

pretty sure you never could delete post/thread system messages

idk why poopycord still hasnt made it so that we could

but whatever

[sterile atlas]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1457948491593678909
just come to spread the word of a cool watcher thread!!!! picklesthepupper is soon to finish the spinning top arc (maybe) and they do some cool stuff. Just encountered the pearl reader

[fleet sedge]

should this be smited

[sterile atlas]

Your wish is my command

[fleet sedge]

is the pinned thread gone in watcher first playthroughs or is it just my discord being stupid

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1352430812519333940

[sterile atlas]

correct

fixed

[fleet sedge]

tyy

what do we think about these hints for frogs

1. there are several ways can be removed or, in some cases, even benefit you
2. they will stop at nothing to take everything you have, regardless of whether or not it benefits them. use this to your advantage (hinting towards poison being transferred to frogs)

[sterile atlas]

first time i heard of that

[fleet sedge]

it’s really obscure and i want first playthroughers to find it because it’s super cool

[keen oyster]

I think Riv did the manual warp so fast they didnt see the tutorial text about the flowers

[keen oyster]

If Riv cant figure it out do we give them part of the tutorial text
Since I think they skipped part of it. They dont seem to recognize the flowers' importance yet

[lilac lotus]

Yeh
At least if he seems to be struggling

[keen oyster]

||Hold UP and SPECIAL together to form new random paths||
||This will consume the effect of a karma flower in the process||
||Holding UP and SPECIAL without a karma flower is unstable and dangerous||
||However, this can also form new random paths in a pinch||
I dont remember when the last 2 texts pop up but these are all 4 related to manual warping

Riv manual warped so fast they did a bad warp and missed the important text

[lilac lotus]

I don't remember where the last 2 pop up either... might be one of those random tutorials you get when waking up sometimes like the starvation one iirc

[keen oyster]

Maybe

Makes it hard to figure out whens an appropriate time to send it
Riv already did a bad warp so

[lilac lotus]

Yeahh

though, uhh, they just died

and last time I played through that section, flowers didn't respawn immediately

and took their usual 7-ish cycles (including deaths) to come back

[keen oyster]

A flower spawns in each warp room

[lilac lotus]

anyway yeah, from the current state of things, asking if he wants a hint could be a good idea

[keen oyster]

Theyll just have to climb all the way back up again

[lilac lotus]

oh right, you don't need the first one specifically, just the room, I forgot

as long as he doesn't die after getting the other one

[lilac lotus]

the climber

I feel like this sequence could easily end in frustration... shall try to stick around and help out if needed

[keen oyster]

This does also mean Riv will rot another region early

[lilac lotus]

yeah... hopefully not a new one

I remember that's how I found Signal Spires the first time

(though exploring on a sort of soft time limit before I knew it would blueberrify was a neat experience, and I do like the thematics of it... but, yeah)

I'm definitely glad they moved the Station Annex warp to a later region rather than right in Shrouded so you go to the Throne later on usually, but yeah

[coarse egret]

pretty much on the cycle after the stable warp tutorial, once you don't have karma reinforcement

[keen oyster]

Riv immediately manual warped with a bad warp and I havent seen them mention anything about the flower tutorials

[lilac lotus]

Makes sense!

[coarse egret]

anyway uh you all are saying Riv and I'm thinking of Riv Otter (the Akupara Community Manager)

[lilac lotus]

oh we're talking about star lol
in here: #1420889366284341420

context is that ruffles was one of their old names, and they don't mind being referred to by most of their older names

[keen oyster]

Yea Ruffles

I forgot which one they went by lol

[coarse egret]

from what it seems, that shouldn't disable it

if (room.game.IsStorySession && CanSpawnDynamicWarpPoints && !room.abstractRoom.shelter && room.warpPoints.Count == 0 && !room.spawnedSpinningTop && room.game.GetStorySession.saveState.miscWorldSaveData.cycleFirstStartedWarpJourney > 0 && room.game.GetStorySession.saveState.cycleNumber > room.game.GetStorySession.saveState.miscWorldSaveData.cycleFirstStartedWarpJourney)
{
    warpTutorialConditionTimer++;
    if (!room.game.GetStorySession.saveState.deathPersistentSaveData.StableWarpTutorial && MeetRequirementsForNormalDynamicWarp && warpTutorialConditionTimer >= 200 && !showedStableWarpTutorialThisCycle)
    {
        room.game.GetStorySession.saveState.deathPersistentSaveData.StableWarpTutorial = true;
        showedStableWarpTutorialThisCycle = true;
        room.AddObject(new StableWarpTutorial(room));
    }
    if (!room.game.GetStorySession.saveState.deathPersistentSaveData.badWarpTutorial && room.game.GetStorySession.saveState.miscWorldSaveData.cycleLastShownStableWarpTutorial > 0 && room.game.GetStorySession.saveState.cycleNumber > room.game.GetStorySession.saveState.miscWorldSaveData.cycleLastShownStableWarpTutorial && !MeetRequirementsForNormalDynamicWarp && warpTutorialConditionTimer >= 200 && !showedBadWarpTutorialThisCycle)
    {
        room.game.GetStorySession.saveState.deathPersistentSaveData.badWarpTutorial = true;
        showedBadWarpTutorialThisCycle = true;
        room.AddObject(new BadWarpTutorial(room));
    }
}

basically:

• can only appear in story mode
• can only appear if you can create warp points
• can't appear in shelters
• can't appear in rooms with warps
• can't appear in rooms with spinning top
• the first warp usage happened
• the first warp usage happened at some previous cycle
• bad warp tutorial hasn't been shown yet
• the stable warp tutorial has been shown
• the stable warp tutorial has been shown at some previous cycle
• you cannot do a stable dynamic warp
• at least 200 ticks have passed while it was possible to spawn a tutorial (basically a 5-second delay to make it not happen immediately)
• the bad warp tutorial hasn't been shown in this cycle yet

[keen oyster]

Ic

What should we tell Star about going back afetr seeing the bulb

Smth about paths opening ?

[prisma linden]

I think in the event of someone missing a tutorial, that is grounds to tell them it upfront

It's not something that'll be repeated in the game and is also something the game wanted you to learn directly via text instruction

[keen oyster]

Yea ig

[prisma linden]

Saint tutorial flashbacks

[keen oyster]

Should I ask?

[prisma linden]

I would ask but it's fine if you want a second opinion

[keen oyster]

We love Paste

[fleet sedge]

i did the same thing 💔

my first echo after the prologue sent me to station annex 🥹

okay i have no idea what was going on after that

i somehow got to decaying tunnels without bad warping?

[prisma linden]

Mine too

I went into UE and outer rim on 2 ripple fr

That was the shrouded echo iirc

Replaced since by the fractured echo

[fleet sedge]

yeah ir was

[lilac lotus]

Warp fatigue, probably

[lilac lotus]

[sterile atlas]

Riv moment

[covert totem]

He's chill with Ruffles or star (not heartbreak), or anything you wanna call him (I call him Ruffles as that's just how I remember him lol)

[rapid river]

yall is it fine to mention washer only as a slugcat without mentioning anything else about the dlc? (saying this cuz my #1272670046434492426 post)

[tribal swift]

You can mention watcher ya
nothing about mechanics or gameplay tho

Otherwise I would have to ban every use of watcher emojis and blow up all of raincord in a fit of rage and malice

[rapid river]

ye

[tribal swift]

mall

[rapid river]

#1471779008868778014 message
uhhhh yall idk what to do about this
its promotional art for the game but... idk it has raindeer n shi

[sterile atlas]

actually wait the repost command should still preserve his art..

[rapid river]

well yeah it will preserve it

i assume theyre on pc so they can remove the embed since it has text

so no .repost will happen

[sterile atlas]

aight

[rapid river]

if theyre not on pc then sadly a .repost

give it like idk 15 mins or sum and if they dont respond then just blast it

[rapid river]

@sterile atlas actually should we just delete the post?

theyve found their thread so

[sterile atlas]

idk

idk how to delete the post

and it has art they havent migrated to their actual post yet

[rapid river]

you just right click on the post and delete the post

but ask them first

[sterile atlas]

im not gonna

[rapid river]

ive asked them in that post

so imma wait for response

[sterile atlas]

good luck

[tribal swift]

I don’t think we really have to delete posts for people

[fleet sedge]

why would we delete it

also that’s not their art

it’s rain world promotional art i THINK

[rapid river]

it is promo art

[rapid river]

i asked them either way incase they dont need it i mean but im not touching it otherwise

[sterile atlas]

Oh

I thought it was theirs