#REALLY stuck as spearmaster

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jolly bronze
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i've been stuck in ||garbage wastes|| as spearmaster for an absurd amount of time and it's really starting to annoy me cause it's preventing me from finishing the damn dlc. similar thing with gourmand and ||outskirts|| but since i need spearmaster to get to saint it's a greater priority rn (but any pointers for gourmand would be excellent). first image is where i'm stuck now as spearmaster (more important), and second image is where i'm stuck now as gourmand. the main issue is that i can't accumulate enough karma by killing creatures/eating food as spear/gourm to actually get the right amount of karma to progress. like i've had some REALLY close calls with spearmaster but i end up dying in ||waterfront facility|| before i get enough food to sleep in a shelter there.i know i can ||go in the actual direction that overseer says instead of going to moon directly, but i've come really far at this point.||

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heavy garden
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Oh that room for SM is hellsaintpensive

jolly bronze
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yeah i figured it was probably one of those rooms everyone just hates, like the infamous ||unfortunate development line-room full of ddls|| or really the entirety of ||drainage system, though i honestly liked the aesthetic of that one||

heavy garden
jolly bronze
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could i just trade an insane amount of spears with local scavengers to up my reputation to the point where i get the chieftan passage and can just passage my way to full karma?

jolly bronze
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||or wait no i can't go that way to OE yeah i think i was trying to go up??||

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ok i did some thinking and i believe i was going for ||DS -> ST -> OE||

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and if i wasn't then that still works regardless

heavy garden
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You don't need to spoil messages in your own thread past the opening message and title btw

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ST?

jolly bronze
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subterranean

heavy garden
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Ah

stable valley
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If the later, I don't think i have a practical advice huntershruggy

jolly bronze
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can't get past the room

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to be clear i'm in the shelter below the gate to waterfront facility

stable valley
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May be an obvious thing to say, but have you tried using the pipes above? As far as i remember, they lead all the way across the room

jolly bronze
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yep, my method is to go from the shelter to the gate, left, up the pole ladder, through the pipe, go across the little floating shelves, leap, go up the pole ladder, then get to the open area

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uhh hold on

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green is the triangle pipe things

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so i can get in and out of the room fine, i just need a way to actually get enough food in the room to the left to shelter and get up to 3 karma

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i mean i guess i already have a way but i've tried so many times now that it seems virtually impossible to actually pull off

jolly bronze
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the way being waiting for a lizard/centipede/vulture and killing it before it hopefully doesn't kill me

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if that wasn't clear

unreal heath
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MSC devs unfortunately did not do well with balancing the karma gates in some cases

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that's not the case for gourmand outskirts though

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(for garbage wastes) there is one easy food source near the gate but only good for one cycle

jolly bronze
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is it the popcorn plant?

jolly bronze
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looked around on google and found a post where someone said they escaped the sisyphusean loop of spearmaster wastes by sheltering somewhere else and karma grinding (which was sorta my plan). would try today but my patience became burnt out so i'll try tomorrow

unreal heath
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yeah that's really the only good way to deal with situations like these

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in other cases where a gate is nigh impossible to get enough karma for, this is generally done so intentionally to encourage the player to take another route, but this is just a horrible oversight

heavy garden
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Don't go to google!!! (Or be VERY careful)
There's a reason you can ping Felpersmonksilly

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I have a gif for this hold up

jolly bronze
jolly bronze
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alright got to the shelter and i'm already doing way better, nabbed a centipede and a pole plant. one question though, will the path "iggy" wants me to go on to LTTM go through waterfront facility? i really wanna see what shoreline looks like intact since this is pre lttm collapse

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but yk if the path through WF is too grueling i'll just go the iggy way

jolly bronze
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how am i supposed to reach that pole?? huh??

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uhh i wanna avoid looking up a map so it's the room with some yellow blobs on the right and a shelter, to the left of that shelter there's some stone head shaped things and a pole hanging from the ceiling illuminated by a red light

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this was a room in arti and it was already hard enough with a double jump so how am i supposed to do it as spearmaster??

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i think i was actually here before but wasn't able to get up, weird that an iggy path would be so difficult

brave plaza
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That path isn't intended for spearmaster, it's the Arti tutorial zone

jolly bronze
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yeah makes sense

brave plaza
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Are you trying to investigate moon? The lower gate in garbage goes straight into shoreline

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Or well, waterfront

jolly bronze
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oh yeah i'm aware of that one, but iggy was saying moon was at the top of that pole for some reason

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is that common or is my game just acting weird?

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i mean in survivor i had an arena token play the wall echo dialogue for some reason

brave plaza
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The response may be a spoiler, though minor

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However if you remember from arti, that path up the pole led to Shaded

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For reference's sake

jolly bronze
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i figured it did cause of the yellow blobby things

jolly bronze
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thankfully i'm not stuck there cause i hibernated on a starve cycle

brave plaza
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Good luck finding moon! Keep us updated

jolly bronze
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oh i thought this thread was deleted cause it went away in the sidebar

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I GOT PAST GARBAGE WASTES!!

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i think what finally did it is ending my personal peace policy with scavengers

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which may have bad consequences later, especially considering they sent a chieftain my way (which i murdered)...

heavy garden
heavy garden
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Murder!!!!

jolly bronze
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does anyone else do that? like decide whether they want to be nice or mean to scavengers depending on the campaign

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not like you get much of a choice with artificer but for the other ones

heavy garden
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I always kills scavs on sight, along with whatever else I'm confident in killingrivevil

jolly bronze
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yeah i usually do the confident thing as spearmaster but i was trying to avoid kill squads and POSSIBLY get the chieftain passage

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but i guess you could always see kill squads as free doordash

heavy garden
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"Your food has arrived. Gib 30 orls as tribute"

jolly bronze
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oh this is probably gonna be my help thread now, so anyone who's following for documentation stuff might want to look at the "documentationing spearmastwe" i made like 2 hours ago

jolly bronze
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alright first issue after getting into shoreline

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at the top of one of those big pillar thingies right now

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where you can go on the inside and outside

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this one the overseer really wanted me to go to

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and he's pointing towards moon but... into the air...

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is this another artificer beginning room type thing where i can't get up there right now and the overseer's just being weird?

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or can i actually get up there?

unreal heath
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does this room have an unreachable pole at the top right? if so the overseer is just being weird

jolly bronze
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yep

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dang

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well i was gonna try and recover the pink pearl i had but i stupidly fell into the bottomless void to the left

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not sure if it would've been worth the effort regardless cause spearmaster can't swallow

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yeah probably not, having two spears or a rock and spear is pretty important

brave plaza
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Navigation is hell as spearmaster waterfront

jolly bronze
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for sure, thankfully i didn't really get stuck anywhere like in garbage wastes and i'm already at lttm

jolly bronze
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currently at what feels like an impossible jump rn. it's two platforms seperated by some poles, except they're like way too far apart to make sense. unless you can somehow leap from a horizontal pole. there's two jump platforms before this and i was able to get past the first one via throw boosting (in fact, this message was originally for that second jump) but this is just crazy. am i just not supposed to go this way?

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(precipice)

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i guess i could try double throw boosting, looking at the movement guide it appears like that's enough to cover the gap

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holy shit that worked nevermind

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and i am now at the exterior! woohoo!!!!!

jolly bronze
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in five pebbles now, this is going very good