Why, Hunter? [spoilers]

[drowsy elk]

Spoiler your message please

[ashen stratus]

Why, Hunter? [spoilers]

[drowsy elk]

I think this would be better suited as a #downpour-lore question :p

[ashen stratus]

I can repost the same question there.

The focus of this post leans also on the side of how the game telegraphs information to the player.

Both the monk and survivor have a nice set up where they yearn to find their family (hinting at the player to explore), and the overseer giving hints along the way|| (which helps guide them to Moon, then Pebbles, and then to the end)||.

For Hunter, it is just drops to the cutscene and then off to face the gulag that is farm arrays infested with vultures, centipedes and lizards a plenty.

[drowsy elk]

By the time you play Hunter youre expected to already know some of how the world works
You spawn with nothing but a pearl and neuron; there are 2 distinct places you have seen neurons at before

[fossil glade]

i wonder who needs a neuron...

[ashen stratus]

True.
It still feels like the game left a gap in the story line because it assumes the player would already be conditioned to bring stuff to moon from the other 2 campaigns.

Mechanically, it works for having a spike in difficulty for the player who should know how to navigate the world. But now with more enemies and limited cycles.

But it would be nice for the player to have the information provided to at least confirm what they intend to do when given a pearl and a neuron and expected to run to moon.

[drowsy elk]

The game is very good at not telling players anything

[ashen stratus]

agreed.

[compact sandal]

I have an opinion on this, but idk if you have spoilers about what to do as hunter or not so idk how much I can say

[ashen stratus]

you can tell me.
If it is a bit much, you can spoiler tag it.

I added spoiler because it mentioned the iterators you need to see.
Frankly, I get how that is a spoiler, but digress given it is the main goal for Hunter, so if the player is expected to know that, I dont see why it has to be spoilered.

[drowsy elk]

It needed to be spoilered because: They are outside Outskirts and this forum is for all first playthroughs

[compact sandal]

As Hunter, one would already know that the “win condition” is ascension. Even if they don’t know what to do with their items, I feel like this goal would be a good enough reason to visit 5P for most people (most would know that 5P gives a karma increase). Then, from there, they could get told what their actual goal as Hunter is if they haven’t already figured it out

So basically,
they may not know what to do with the items, but they should still probably know to meet 5p, from whom the rest of the necessary info will be given

[slim wharf]

And if you've brought a neuron to Looks to the Moon before you'll recognize that your starting equipment is probably relevant there.

[ashen stratus]

Even though for hunter (and any other campaign that follows), you are required to complete monk/survivor.
So wouldn't it make any campaign past that a spoiler as well?

[drowsy elk]

Whar

[slim wharf]

Any Hunter- or MSC-campaign-exclusive content in Outskirts is a spoiler, yes.

[drowsy elk]

o

[compact sandal]

The existence of the campaigns isn’t a spoiler, but details about them are

[drowsy elk]

Well pretty much everything past Monk/Surv outskirts is spoilers for the forums

Give or take

[ashen stratus]

So, anything past the tutorial of the game is a spoiler. But only for absolute beginners.
(asking to understand, apologies for it sounding sarcastic)

[slim wharf]

Yeah, <@&981421790339403807> means Survivor/Monk Outskirts content only.

And also not ||lineage||-exclusive content.

[compact sandal]

The forum channels are mainly for new players to make threads in, so new players may see the first messages in other people’s forums. For this reason, it’s recommended to not include any info beyond the tutorial in the tutorial, as info beyond the tutorial is considered spoilers for new players

[slim wharf]

The first-playthrough forums are for people learning the game, so obviously the rules here are just "be respectul of what people do and do not know". The titles of forum threads must be spoiler-free because they're visible outside of the thread.

[ashen stratus]

That makes sense.

Although what of players who completed 1 campaign, and then start the next one for the first time.
It would make sense for them to not want spoilers for the end of the next campaign, but not for the campaign they started.

i.e. completing monk/survivor. Starting Hunter. But then the start of hunter is farming arrays.
Players doing hunter would understandably wont need spoiler tags for farming arrays. But those doing the previous campaign would understandably have that region spoilered.

[compact sandal]

Unfortunately, there’s no Hunter-exclusive channels, so it’s best practice to just not give any Hunter spoilers (like farm arrays) when they can be seen by new players

One can still give Hunter spoilers in threads they make, but only after the first message

[drowsy elk]

The general rule of thumb is to spoiler everything despite wherever you are in terms of spoilers and campaigns in the title and first message of the forum

After that, you dont need to be spoiler anything and if players get spoiled then, oh well, they looked in the forum

[ashen stratus]

First time saint players making a post here and keeping it spoiler free would be a challenge, lol.

[drowsy elk]

Not really

Just make a post titled "Saint campaign" and put in something random for the first post then you cna do whatever after that

[compact sandal]

Remember it’s just the first message,

So hypothetically it could just say “green cat gaming” and have a picture of , then only include spoilers in the later messages

[drowsy elk]

Only the title and the opening message of a forum is visible in the forum list

If players were to get Saint spoilers, they have to physically enter a forum

In whcih case thats on them for spoiling themself if they were worried about spoilers

[ashen stratus]

ah ok. I did not even realise the question of the message is removed.

[slim wharf]

That's why this is a forum rather than a channel. If you make a thread, you don't have to worry about spoilers past the first post, because you can't spoil yourself.

[compact sandal]

I randomly felt inspired to make a random image