#Old FP Guide Coordination [Archived]
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There is a thing called: empathy
i musn’t
dont i stole it after all
shrug
Or something IDK
that's for the WEAK 😛
because they want something to happen
I'm glad my first playthrough I ate the neurons
its a game that teaches you to experiment by either throwing or putting it in your mouth like a toddler
I made sure to ask for forgiveness once I understood tho
you get led to a dead end and there is something interactable. its pretty reasonable to assume it does something
and honestly iggy is kinda obtuse here
Iggy SENDS YOU DEATH THREATS
BRO PUTS AN X OVER YOU
people dont know that the something they have to do is literal turn around
iggy can shove it
this is similar to asking why i am so emotionless when i am playing cod or soemthing
“see this thing i led you to? do not interact with it, at all”
also moon doesnt outright say you are killing her
you dont even get new directions until you backtrack
"why did you eat that innocent batfly??" bro im hungry
unless you got the mark first
(Anyway, I am just being dramatic, I hope no one’s offended by the all caps)
(why would we be 🥹)
also iggy doesnt always trigger properly
but yeah, I hardly ever figure out stuff on a first playthrough, Iggy isn't necessarily very clear
IDK I’m just making sure, tone is hard to tell over text 🥹
also food 😋😋 and tbh getting glow earlier really helped in shaded
I forget if Moon’s screams work
I think they don't sadly, even though I have memories of hearing them. maybe I'm crazy
With the screams it’s hopefully clearer that something’s bad
some mod fixes that
i’m kinda sad how few people seem to think of carrying a neuron to moon though
<@&820300878035943457>
that one also isn't really clearly explained imo
well my point is moreso
backtracking that far when you're already kind of led into Sky island > Farm arrays > Sub > Depths is a bit obtuse on a first playthrough unless you're really dedicated
people definitely like to wonder “why is this thing leading me to a place? what does it want me for?”
but then the outskirts to lttm portion passes and they completely forget about that question
miserable
SKRAMPLE
like theyll get the 5p instructions, will probably give lttm another visit, but thats about it
who taught them piano
me
feels like every neuron delivery is bc comments prompt one
lumpers
karma 10 foreshadowing!!
well
Remind them they are just a wild animal, who did the natural thing upon seeing so much yummy food
they dont seem particularly interested if theyre just going to go oh well ill look at the wiki which i have bookmarked anyway
oh joking apparently
Genuine question
how did they mix a bomb with a karma flower
and get a firecracker from it
i am genuinely so damm confused
the firebug egg explodes on a delay
the big super bomb requires two crafting steps
doesn't bomb + karma flower craft you a singularity bomb
the firebug egg is what becomes the rarefaction bomb thing
Spearfishing time.
I'm glad I ate the neurons in every playthrough (excluding Riv)
Stolen Enlightment was the last achievement I got out of Vanilla + Downpour. 
Even after the expeditions and challenge 70.
I'm a big softie.
same except i havent gotten around to expeditions and challenges fully
The only reason I have Stolen Enlightenment at all is because I did <@&1305978131852824677>, and as I've mentioned, I didn't eat it
I would like to mess with some of the challenges sometime, but first I kinda wanna fool around with some more advanced move techs and vanilla exploits.
I never tried batspearing before and kinda wanna see what that looks like, for example. 
And I still need to get the hang of the eihop. I can't pull it off yet.
I did the same thing specifically for stolen enlightenment, returning the neuron right after. I just needed it for the 100% (and instead of restarting any of my saves for it I used the save slots in options menu to speedrun survivor to that point)
Yeah I'm using an unused save slot for all my challenge stuff
Though I accidentally started my Watcher 1.5 save on that slot too so guess I'll have to figure something out for that if/when I do Watcher challenges-
Does that count as Watcher content...? 
Im not sure... 
I deleted just in case
I would say yes...? But it's close to as little as you could possibly say
The original message was about watcher, and discussed part of the game unique to watcher, so I'd probably count it because it did not contribute much to downpour discussion.
Is it... is it fine to tell someone they are able to bring tamed lizors through gates?
ithink so
Well I already did 
Hey is it EVEN POSSIBLE to make tamed lizards not attack scavs on console?
If you can make mods work on console
Just don't bring the lizor near scavs 
I will using my gadgets sure 🥹
Okie fire
doubt tripling, that one pretty much can only be done intentionally
Oh okay
could be doubling if they have vanilla exploits enabled and have starved
I'll check
would need to double-check if that's not just standard spawning though
yeah 
if Remix is enabled and the Lizard is friendly
oh okay
@silver musk Would you like to go to this thread and reassure Guppy here? (they just had to put down their cyan cuz it turned hostile inside shelter and they lacked the skills to get out and feed it)
fr
too bad since it's console
they can't even respawn it thru ID
or even KNOW it's id
waht would yall do if a dp map was shown instead of the vanilla map? ive caught one instance and thought to delete the message containing the map and alert the person (and alert that its risky to use interactive maps)
Delete if downpour rooms are visible
what about the regions on left corner?
Yeah went and looked and indeed had to go cuz of region names shown
Anything downpour related in a vanilla thread other than the the names or appearances of slugcats should be exploded
Should this thread get a .repost and title change?
https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1484952069915017286
i think a .repost but not sure about the title
although... @modern harness (because i saw you instantly joining the post)
would that be worthy to do
(because after all not an experienced felper so need help from other fellows
)

I'm evil what can I say
what about the title? i mean it can mean something else out of context
sorry for the ping igna 
I'd... honestly say the title is fine? It could imply many things and without any context it's fine imo
I thought it was a vanilla thread and was about to blast this #1484952069915017286 message message
🥹
isn’t the outlaw visiblefrom steam achievements
it’s not even a hidden achievement
it’s probably fine, very minor spoiler that is unlikely to do anything at all without context
A- sorry I was busy lol
Yeah idk
It might be fine? Without content it doesnt rlly give much of anything away
Place your bets now! Will they eat any neurons?
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@quasi stirrup did ya just call me ani?
New nickname for me, never been called that before, how'dya come up with it? 
wuh
Oh nvm it's seven prancing lizard xD
I sent dialogue and thought rattuse was talking about my hints, not seven prancing lizard's
What's it looking at?
ground
o
Fire
Tbh now i kinda hunger for a nickname
exANImoso :O
THIS IS SUCH A CUTE CYAN GIF
wiggly
Oooo I have a nickname:
GunPowderGlory🍓


oh my god come on
That's what I thought too, but...
This is one of my biggest complaints about Spearmaster
The other campaigns ingrain into you that you need to go to Pebbles to get the Mark
disagree
But in Spearmaster you have to go to Moon for that and you miss dialogue 
I like it 
getting ragdolled by angry god dude throwing a tantrum
who cant even be bothered to tag you
Also makes far more sense than just Pebbles saying NOTHING and kicking you out
Yeah but you can't understand it is my point 
Maybe I'm just in the minority for liking the Pebbles Spearmaster dialogue, IDK-
youre not
every single spearmaster playthrough ever gets backseated into going moon first
so im going to take my rare lets go to 5p first run
I'm resisting the urge very hard to say something to get it in Ollie's mind to check on Moon-
yeah no i like how they switched up the rules a little for spearmaster
its a great dialog though, pebbles as spearmaster
there are no heroes or villains in rain world
scavengers would likely disagree
i,,..,,,, implie otherwise...,,,.,
aw
scavengers ,...,,,,...,.,. are afraud of artificer likely
EVIL beings i tell you!! EVIL!!!!
no!!!!1 scavenger are very nice and lovely porl lovers

I said I am resisting it 
@crude jetty don't say too much now 
Not saying much.
I mean you're influencing their theories a little bit
not enough to be bad but be careful
Oki.
~~
my brain half wants to call scavs capitalists for some reason~~
scavitalist
i want a yellow lizard one
wage labour in scavs?
I mean you DO get global rep for saving them so thats sort of pay
And iirc they also let you keep spears during combat
Someone get a .repost on this
https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1485307596360384625
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I... don't think there are that many creatures in SI and CC
Ok Depths without karma 10 might be the only case where this is false-
(Assuming death/quitting out doesn't count as ending the softlock)
Getting brutalised by guardians is an anti softlock 
does lizard instantly killing you in shelter not count
There's countermeasures against it
the pacify effect is extremely unreliable
it can body block you and also bite you basically frame 1
Happened to me a couple days ago with a green, it lay there like dead for a long while
if youve got no spears or rocks, no defense
patched
when
oh there it is
"tweaked" hmm
hope theres cool bro tldr lorw
or randi moth whoever feels like sharing cool gamer trivia...... 
if you don't count death as ending the softlock, then being in freefall above a pit with no held items is a softlock
Fair
(#1474555235925229732 message Gonna specify that by "movement tech" I just mean rolling and sliding
)
Yeah (l avoid em) 
Yeah, I just know them because they're simple enough for my brain to understand and use consistently
Actually wait I just remembered I've learned (some of) fast pole climb
I can't do fast pole climb fast, but I can cancel out the delay from jumping up poles
It's time for another round of... Will! They! Eat! Mooooooon!? (Stereotypical announcer voice or something)
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And the answer is... YEEEEES! Thank you for playing... Will They Eat Moon! Tune in next time to see who unknowingly commits an atrocity next!
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ACTUALLY, IGNORE EVERYTHING I JUST SAID!
I jumped the gun on that 
An atrocity? I'd say a blessing

There is no cost only food
@drowsy kernel #1482445378241564753 message Don't say that
They're not near water, they don't need to know. And it's better to let them figure it out anyhow.
somebody can go ahead and delete that
i doubt hes seen it yet
dude hasnt been online in the past forever anyway
@silver musk deletion request 
@quasi stirrup What are you referring to with this? #1484285353392078918 message


Echoes?
echos mainly, but also being aware of some mechanics of items and such yeah
creature and item names, flashbangs blinding creatures, needing more karma to get past them
Yeah
I think they discovered Echoes on their own, actually, but I'd have to look through again to confirm that and I don't feel like doing that now, so... 
im wondering, are the gravity generators that are normally fluctuating harder to escape from or no
like theyre not designed to be escapeable
this feels like a pretty big room
it was shoreline
Ah I sea
i used it to teleport from fp to lttm
(and used it in survivor to get to the end lol)
Out of all the places to passage to... They went quite far back. 
Seems like Ollie made it to Pebbles as Spearmaster.
That iterator was not in a good mood.
It's particularly confusing when you don't go to Moon first in this case.
Usually yes. Very angrily, but he kicks you out.
or did ollie get stuck on collision
And if you go back inside, even a single time, he kills you without a word.
or just not think about leaving and then he got "instantly" killed
this time i finally learned my lesson and looked around the message before clicking on it lol
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but i know one of the downpour loading screen tips revealed it to me
@north mural
Sarcru check grainy glorp's WTC thread
latest message
Check if there are any spoiler flashbangs there first (atleast the last few messages)
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Missed pin
There’s definitely some Pebbles/Moon encounters where the pin has been missed…
But I don’t feel like looking for ‘em 
Y’know, I might be blind-
I’m not crazy though, this statement is still true
(About other threads, I mean)

Apply for felper 
We don’t have any actual guidelines of what gets pinned and not, it kinda just happens LOL
you can always ping a felper to pin something if things get missed too 
I wonder how many broadcasts tip you off that lttm hasn't collapsed yet without actually physically going there
Shaded citadel and Sky islands one could prove handy
a btw remember the impassable water tunnel room in the spearmaster intro broadcast would be cool too
Actually, there kinda is: #1331397467731791913 message
> Tries to investigate
> #unknown
that mesasge needs to be updated
It links to an internal guide for first playthrough helpers
Yeah that’s what I thought 
Feel free to suggest edits to @fervent lintel and I will spam ping all staff out of malice and evil
its 250 pin limit not 50 now
@atomic locust
you will never see me suggest to courier because i open my dms sparsely (like once in a year)
/j
So basically the only current guideline for pins is: “Pin whatever lol”
you will never see me remember this command because it always is out of my head instanly /hj
Also I could just dm you answers if you wanted, I’m okay with that
oh yea i have you friended

well you pinged kalum tho should i still do it
why does the blue smiley have karma 10 eyes
is it secretly saint or someting
so uh should i ticket now anyway
i assume maybe
If it’s just for the pin limit edit you don’t have to, if you have more suggestions then go for it
wut
Pin limit edit #1331397467731791913 message to 250
Wormithys To Chreish
What is this...
Wormithys to Cherish
My personal guideline is important progression, interesting stuff and whatever they ask to be pinned.
Makes sense 
What it seems like for Vanilla, at least, is that pretty consistently the following are pinned:
- Moon encounter
- Pebbles encounter
- Ending
Echoes might also be good.
Yeah, there's some other things like those that could be depending on the playthrough, but these occasions ALWAYS are
sins? I don't even know what I did wrong
I just ate food in the chamber
which made me glow

I wouldn't call it a sin
"Hey so chat I'm all glowy now and I saw this weird blue thing and it started violently shaking when I ate it's white glow things
Where should I go now?
"
Tasty
If they aren't meant to be eaten why are they so food shaped?
my experience was:
oh cool a thing,
nothing here, nowhere to go,
oh god rain is coming and I need more food,
oooh food to fill circles to sleep
oh god am I now radioactive which I gotta get myself treated at somepoint, which is why I glow
for disclaimer I did not see moon doing anything when I touched the neuron
I can't remember which thread, but someone recently ate some despite knowing they were called neurons
Whyyyyyyy??? 
however my certain gourmand runs are different story 
we need a mod where you can eat all of 5P's neurons and kill him, it just takes a really, really, really long time
Why not
Zombie slugcat.
'Cause eating brain cells like, kills you or something IDK 
Braaaaaains...
tbf them being called neurons doesn't mean it would kill you necessarily, and not like small slugcat would even know what neuron means

Yeah
Tamsty neurons...
Although at no poing during the game are they called neurons, are they? Or at least not during your first playthrough.
So how would anyone know they're called neurons in the first place?
... doesn't necessarily equate to fact that they would realise the significance, I didn't realize what I had done in my first playthrough before I saw certain clips explaining bit about moon
Human players that have free will
Unlikely, yeah; Moon has some dialogue for it, but only upon getting the mark and touching/delivering any
to note I reminisce that I think I knew they were called neurons
Spoilers 
I didn't know how they were called, but the moment I touched one I saw Moon panicking and shaking her head and making noises, so it made me feel bad and I dropped it. 
I think I overall have eaten atleast thrice moon's braincells (on different campaigns/saves) been more or less journey >_<
But I am evil anyways
What are the requirements to double-spawn a region again?
Does Ollie know about scav rep at all
I wanna say smth like “get some scavs to ragebait them”
Enter a region multiple times and starve iirc
i thought it was enter a region for the first time and starve on the same cycle
A) You must have never entered the region before. It needs to be your first time entering it.
B) Starve during the cycle you first enter the region.
C) Have vanilla exploits active.
If you are fast enough to enter the region, then exit and enter through other karma doors, you can in theory triple spawn the region.
But it's really tricky since it's such a long way in most cases.
There was one challenge about triple spawning Chimney though, right?
yeah, <@&1305977440987775047>
Cas has already made a valiant effort to do so.
i remember that.... omg
What do you think, how long will Cas remain a legend?
One question I have about double spawning though. If you enter a region for the first time, then exit again and starve outside of the region, does it still get double spawned? Or does the starvation hibernation need to happen within the region itself?
i think you must starve inside of the region, if you starve outside of it then you aren't loading anything about the region twice
well, it can get double-spawned if you enter it in the starve cycle (assuming Remix is disabled or VE is enabled) 
but what causes it is loading creatures several times while none are saved
and creatures are loaded when the region is loaded, which happens when you either start a cycle inside of it or cross a gate into it
or some other very specific instances (e.g. warping to Rubicon)
if you starve in a different region and don't re-enter, you only load the creatures once in that cycle, from the time you originally entered it
https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1486111717003100251
i assume id .repost this despite the videos starting with black screen?
Ye 
https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1486223905562693703 REPOST REPOST REPOST REPOST
Lmao
thank you sarc
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7% nothing lineage 
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I've successfully made Ollie think that spoiler about Looks to the Moon in Spearmaster was referring to Waterfront Facility 
Should we tell Ollie about the "wiggle to break free from grasps" mechanic in the settings? 
does it apply to eels
its a fairly explicit spoiler
Wait i missed that one, what was the spoiler?
just accidentally revealed that there was something at lttm
it was like "the 5p and lttm areas were hell in spearmaster"
I successfully made Ollie interpret that as Waterfront... and it seems to be truer than expected 
i imagine if ollie sees waterfront he's gonna pick up on there being something weird with lttm by now anyway
like, hmmm
its very
not destroyed huh
I don't think Ollie has been to Moon as Arti. He thinks Spearmaster takes place after Arti.
you cant go to moon as arti
Correct.
Ohhhhh i see
But he hasn't tried to go to Moon as Arti. 
huh? no he did, didnt he
kinda, halfheartedly maybe
he got his butt kicked in waterfront or something i forgot
he found the broken entrance but didnt recognize it as a broken entrance into moon
nah he did but i want him to see the same room and at least make the realization yk
Who said it? If you remember
nah i dont
Ok thank you
There are some people in that thread who've gotten multiple warnings before so if it was one of those I'd make a note of it
You're fine to ping that person in here to let them know by the way
Don't be afraid to drag people into this thread, honorary felpers 
Oh, have they not already been dragged into here before-
Have they? 
Well they apparently have messages in here so I guess so 
Yeah I see they have


Guys... does Ollie still have the pearl?
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'Cause I'm like 90% sure he's holding two spears in this screenshot-
did they ever get it
i don’t see the chest hole and idk if they’ve played enough for it to heal
yeah uh he doesn't have the pearl in the shelter screenshot he took on the struts i just realized
it has been a long time 🥹
he ran around outskirts for awhile because he thought he had to return back to the outskirts outer expanse gate
He mentioned still having the pearl somewhere in Waterfront and then mentioned loosing it, but I'd hoped he'd just meant he lost it for the cycle-
may be worth inquiring
It heals in like. 2 cycles or something
because the run is cooked if it's gone
and knowing how frustrated Ollie was with outskirts not having any leads...
@fleet relic Be careful not to overshare 
You can read up on the pins here for first playthrough helping guidelines
🥹
Mb
yeah i think it's a good idea to poke Ollie about that...
Best case scenario Ollie has key item tracking on and itll spawn somewhere more accessible in the room
it's okay 
he's in struts now is the issue, and moon makes no indication of its importance
i thiught it took like 20
I didn't think it was a spoiler because I didn't mention any new Info, although I'll keep this in mind for the futre
ollie is going to absolutely despise spearmaster once they learn about the pearl being required
i really think he should be told about it
Yeah, that's fair reasoning, but bringing more attention to already known info can also count
Hes only gonna get further away from where he lost it but there is key item passaging too
the thing i'm most worried about is he's going to get to moon and have no idea what to do next
heh…
and then probably be very mad he has to passage back
i don't even know if he has passages...
he's used quite a few already i'm pretty sure
@fierce wyvern yuh i said properly because of that
Why did everyone immediately go to using dev tools as the solution 🥹
guaranteed way of getting the pearl and no frustration 🥹
ollie absolutely did not want to go back there and i think it’s for the best to avoid more frustration
Yeah prolly
If it weren't for the gate situation we probably wouldn't have jumped to that so quickly-
But this is the second time he's wasted time due to lack of knowledge, so...
would carrying lanterns permanently count as a fetch quest...?
Nah
/s tag i think
The lanterns are optional to carry, and there's nothing else that really has higher priority anyway
It's not really mandatory to carry a lantern. It makes things easier, but it's not something you're forced to do.
what DOES that do? i enabled it but i dont see any change
Spam the movement keys in a circle quickly to make enemies let go of you. Works with leeches and DLL tentacles, but little else.
It's not gonna break you free from a lizard maw.
ok
@quasi night @verbal pelican #1474555235925229732 message
might I remind you that Looks to the Moon is an easy place to farm both Monk and Saint

ture
also with this whole Ollie and the spear pearl
they could do echos and ascension if they link them together
I really think spoiling them on the pearl being required was a bad idea
we might have had to tell them if they don't figure it out after meeting Looks to the Moon's puppet, but that hasn't happened yet
and the route of "explore to find the objective and then Passage to bring the pearl" is a better one IMHO
And, y'know what, fair
i guess so but like. what if they didn’t have key item tracking on
and they had to backup
very far
guess we could have just asked if they did
it's on by default
but stillllll
if you don't have key item tracking on and lose the pearl, I think dev tools is valid
oh also
keep in mind that the pearl will probably turn up out of the water, even though it was lost in the water
IIRC Key Item Tracking moves the lost item to a pipe entrance if possible
tbh my brain has fully internalised that spearmaster is a lost cause or smth
@vagrant goblet You can read up on the pins in here for some Felper guidelines
so im kinda feeling sheepish but still on team just get it over with
You guys think Ollie can do this jump with only pouncing?
I'm not sure if he remembers about throwboosting, or if he learned about it at all.
its technically something he "knows"
I don't think that requires throwboosting
there's a jump in the Precipice that does I think
i can never do throwless leaps
give them some time to try it at least
It's been a really long time since I've been there so I don't remember how far a simple pounce can carry you in that section.
if he remembers 5p physics
yeah pretty sure it’s doable
he found out about spear boosting there
i mean the story does end with "and then spearmaster goes home ig ok bye" ollie was just too early on the draw 
@cedar cedar IIRC key items just can't respawn in Five Pebbles' chamber
they get moved outside
like
could it hypothetically do a funny and go to systems bus
and you have to go, ALL the way around
I think for that to happen you would have to enter / leave through systems bus
the game keeps track of the pearl's most recent valid spawn area
IIRC
and Five Pebbles's puppet chamber is hardcoded to not be a valid spawn area so it goes to the room before that
right
the game saves a list of what pearls have already been turned in IIRC
so key item tracking doesn't apply
If you hand a pearl to an iterator and they tell you "This pearl again? I already saw it.", then yeah. It's been read already. 
what vera said
this is false
yeah I'm saying Philos was wrong not you
I remember Moon making a comment when I hand her a pearl she already read.
its just incorporated weirdly" of inconsistently compared to moon
But that was in the same cycle. Maybe it's different in different cycles.
to elaborate i mean pearls pebbles has read in a game over cycle
Ah.
nonono post-collapse Looks to the Moon remembers which pearls they've read
its like a leftover from the mark dialogue or something idk
all MSC iterators use the Collections menu flag to determine whether a pearl has been read before, which leads to the associated dialogue being applied nonsensically if you die or restart the save file
wait omg its weirder than i thought then huh
but moon tells you what to do
she doesn't if you don't have the pearl
yeah i said that before i read the rest of the chat
🥹
and then forgot to send another message
🥹 x2
🥹 x18,027,104
🥹 × √-2
Imaginary 🥹
🥹 ^100
@tranquil mulch
who's that
Randi I have a very important maths problem that needs solving
And I'm not good enough at maths to do it
the logarithm is a bijection
There's a log?
🪵
Idk what bijection means help
Is it impossible
We need a maths nerd role so that we can ping all maths nerds when we need help
Gimme history nerd role? 
Just take logarithm in base 693 on both sides.
Ez.
(I'm a maths graduate.
)
@desert relic Oh right i forgot doxxerdoodle exists xD
doxxerdoodle 🥹
frfr
@vagrant goblet take a read through the pins in this thread 
.

oh
wow exactly 12 hours ago 
wow i didn't even notice the messages in the thread were from that long ago 🥹 i should really not felp right after waking up
rattuse.
wuh
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Monster kelp lineage 
WHAT
that's crazy 
not often i see first playthroughers experience lineages especially like that
It's not actually too crazy a lineage, that one
It's a 5% for the nothing lineage, but then two 40% pole plants into the monster kelp
pole plants are easy oneshots too
one...oneshot???
Trouble is coming, sadness is coming
yes
monk
is not monk
monk did one push up and immediately lost the yellow
ripened
i’d be a little concerned if a banana ripened to white
your bananas don't do that?
mine ripen to red
do they explode
ok i get it stop
ing it already it was likr 5 million hours ago
OLDCAAATTTTTTTTTTTTT POOKIEEEEEE
Hang on Ollie went up towards Luna instead of down to Moon-
I mean yeah
Most players do that cause why would Moon be down when Pebbles was up lol
TRIPLE AFFIRMATIVE
The solution has been found
The solution is portable
The solution is- kaboom
only reason why I found moon was because I was chasing iterator chamber in spear :D
how did he not find moon
i was kinda confused by where he was and such
ig itd wouldve gone smoother if he remembered the riv rooms
well yk as far as getting turned around and such last minute
I think Ollie forgets vital information that could help him vastly reduce his playing time in his campaigns. 
So what happened with Ollie?
He reached Luna, and the top of Moon.
I spent 2 hours looking for moon, tho atleast i got alot of exploration out of it
Familiar territory after playing Rivulet.
Dang what a brainfart
He might have doubled back.
i lost track of him again
hes halfway down lttm again 
he's gonna find struts or something
Oh.
Could that be DM_I05?
Did he get to DM_Moonchamber, then instead of down, he went right at the top and entered the conflux?
And took the long way around?
Yeah, he went around
I think he recognized the area was LttM from Rivulet.
But forgot that Moon was directly downwards from there. 
Oh well. Maybe if he ends up exploring the conflux, he'll come across Moon's lore pearl there.
Get something out of the exchange.
But Ollie sure has a penchant for choosing the most difficult paths ever, huh?
Nuh uh!! You forgot the -16
How did Ollie not find moon he reached the
ing neural twrminus
He reached the silling neural twrminus
He went up 
And then went back down
I operated the 74-16 before, resulting in 58. Shorter expression.
I see
Up Loona, across the fancy paintings, came across the gate to Bitter Aerie, had Rivulet ending flashbacks so he remembered he had been there.
Then took a detour at the last possible moment, one room away from Moon, slipped into the Memory Conflux and got lost again into her structure.
Last we know of him he was uhh...
Here.
Which I believe is DM_I05.
and uhh theyre not listening- 
https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1484285353392078918
@sour bear Can you patrol this thread for a bit?
Those two are apparently friends, and Fold is the one who got Manic into the game
@rustic schooner Don't use the word "can" with Ollie, I don't think he's been taught that Iterator terminology yet
(At least, I don't think)
Point is, don't risk saying it 
it's pretty difficult to check tbh 
just a little hard to make sure
I would err on the side of caution and assume he doens't know, at least
i feel like if he does ask i can just say that thats what i usually call them [the same way ollie calls rot "the mass"]
though i dont expect him to ask
i am agambler
why doubt my ways i've convinced people of things that make less sense than the truth [though in joking arguments with friends]
then surely you know "risk vs. payoff" 
ofc i do but by my estimations the risk is not too high
and the payoff is low but will feel high
Sill you 
Go
yourself!
you siller!

He doesn't snow. 
@inland finch Just warning you again, please stop trying to backseat Manic...
does he know?
Oh wow, you came right when I said that 
i already know
Anyway, you've still been backseating and providing too much info, it seems to me
seems like I've been caught spreading awareness
The fun part about Rain World is discovery, and creative problem solving. Some players may come up with their own creative strategies that other people didn't even think of, and that adds to the richness and diversity of Rain World.
Spoiling and handholding can strip that variability element from the game and limits greatly what the players can do. It's not as fun when every gameplay is done in the same fashion under guidance. 
Although some players can get overwhelmed and frustrated by the open nature of Rain World, and may get frustrated if they don't get nudges in the right direction every now and then. One should adjust their felping strategy on a case by case scenario, though trying to err on the side of caution to avoid saying too much accidentally.
(Something even I fail to do at times.
)
to all of these things
Guys, help, should we do something about Fold...? They aren't listening about not spreading spoilers and backseating... (most recent offense was a Pebbles GIF before the OP had made it to Pebbles)
https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1484285353392078918
They're supposedly friends, but... IDK
Im just kind of tired at looking at that thread so @atomic locust help
Manic clearly doesnt seem to be enjoying it either
I'm glad manic has them blocked but....its...so frustrating cause manic seems excited:<
Yeah, supposedly Manic just went ahead and blocked them, so...
thank god...
Who else are the felper snaffers
I think it's better to ping all staff if necessary, not listening to helpers' request is rule-breaking. I gave another warning, hopefuly they don't spoil anymore
Yeah, I considered pinging First Playthrough Helpers about it but... I get nervous about pinging people 
Even though that's literally what the role is for
I was about to say this XD
if an helper doens't want to get pinged, they can just get their role removed
Exactly 
Let me know if they do it again cuz at that point I think it could call for a staff ping
so jsut ping if necessary, we probably all wanna receive the ping
Got it
I havent followed the entire discussion but from what Ive seen Fold continues to spoil despite being told about it so 
you should modmail it, im at work 👻
Oke 
@inland finch take a read through this thread's pinned messages please
comments like that still count as unwanted guidance that shouldn't be given unless explicitely asked for
Like the blue (not rot) guys in five pebbles
Is it that weird yellow thing that looks like it wants to grab and eat u but it's actually friendly
Yeah
Ohhhh
They can be many different colors I think
Yeah I learned the hard way that it's friendly, I shot at it, killed me
Then I went up to it and it didn't harm me
From green to blue to yellow to red (when angry)
I seen it in 5P but it was blue
Oh
Lolz
Random question, but what is the scariest creature in ur opinion?
In case i mention it again in his thread, Does Ollie know it's friendly?
Or place
I'm not sure
Sorry
Its okah, :p
they said “mostly peaceful” but out of an abundance of caution i’d avoid it
I just dont wanna accidentally keep spoiling him 😭
Understood thank u 
TWIN 🥹
Hmmm...probably the flying metal birds
My Wawa ahh sent this assuming he beat hunter 😭
Real
After everything I've seen so far...those flying birds....oh...I...
Damm..
.....im guessing there's smth worse than the flying metal birds
fear in my scug body
More scary 👍
Oh...great 
Oh yeah, the GIF that gave Ollie Hunter spoilers 

But I'd say for me, giant jellyfish+ submerged superstructure OST just really gives me this shivers

Also, wouldn't spoiler tag this normally, but it's about Ray's thread, so...
||#1473832557463339170 message Very funny to me that Rivulet is the only one Ray isn't naming, because Rivulet's the only who has an actual name in game
||
Don't click that one, Ray
I mentioned that the way to moon was hell thinking hes already been there....I felt horrible realizing he hasnt...thats my sign to use this thread more and....not...yap too much for ollies sake 
Ok 
Ah yes, that comment...
I managed to deflect a bit once he made it to Waterfront, if that makes you feel any better 
(That was here: #1270823904247546017 message)
We all spew crap sometimes 
Like me right now

I don't 
Real
It does a little....I just need to be more...careful
Yep
Cause you're locked in
Mistakes happen, and there's not much you can do about it 
(still spewing crap)
We're only human (or slugcats, IDK), after all 
Hey at least it's not the situation with that thread...
Yk
Fold
I....im so glad manic blocked them
Btw cosmic, u should help me name rivulet
I usually name my scugs
Yipeee
You should just name Rivulet after the campaign is over 
Be different

||doesnt that ruin it?|| RAY DO NOT CLICK THIS
*please 
Man nothing but danger here 💔/silly
||I can't tell what you mean-||
Honestly I don't think ill name saint, I like it the way it is
||ruffles||
St. Saint 
Lmaoo
So I name...this slug
Arti idk
||Yes, exactly: #1270823904247546017 message||
What flavor do ya think he is?
What about...
Mint chocolate chip?
Lol whatever
St. Saint speaks to me
Anyway I think you should name riv yourself maybe
considering I've finished riv already lol
Okah then :3
I might play a bit of soggy rat today, then Johnathan tomorrow
Who's Jonathan?
Ooo
I named all my previously played slugcats
'Jonathan' mmm yes very creative/j
I gotta have some normal names, the others was, Squiggles, Cheese and Bacon
...Wait a second, why are you still discussing here instead of your own thread? 
#1473832557463339170
MY FAULT
Not in trouble or anything, it's just funny 
Ok, I considered filling out an application for First Playthrough Helper, so I decided to look over the sheet, and I can't confidently answer these questions 
So yeah, that's not happening any time soon 
The way i thought you had the role 😭
Nope, I'm just probably the most active roleless-felper-
very true
just answer with honesty if you wanna become a felper!
which you're already great at
if it helps to know, staff mainly considers your server activity and how you handle things even if your forum answers will be looked at too
Question.
If you bring a colored pearl (not Spearmaster's) to Moon on your first encounter, does the pearl reading interrupt her from giving the mark of communication or nah?
Out of curiosity.
No

to be clear, genuine answers are still needed; don’t just put "uh idk" in every field
but yeah, if someone has never talked in FP channels ever, even the most well-worded application to ever exist won't be accepted lol
uh idk 🔥
Does Ollie have the Key Items on Passage option active?
The better question: Is it enabled by default?
I don't think so.
it'd need to be explicitly turned off since all presets enable it
wait nvm
"Key Item Tracking" is the one enabled by default
Yeah, key item tracking I think is on byu default, but the one for the passages is usually off, from what I remember.
From chalver experience, I think Key Item On Passage is turned on by default, but it's disabled in Classic preset for sure.
i misread the initial question
In that Monk Extended Breath and Key Items On Passage were the two most common "poke to disable" Remix options, and nearly always together.
Monk Extended Breath is no longer banned for RWSCs, but Key Items on Passage is.
And I'm pretty certain Monk Extended Breath is enabled by default.
(I'm pretty sure that the shortened breath is itself a glitch, but one that has existed for long enough to be immortalised)
Maybe, but I don't remember if Ollie has, at any point, messed with the Remix options.
And even if he hasn't, would it even be ok to tell a first player that's having a rough time in Spearmaster about the option to make the trip a little easier?
should be okay to give him the option since it still is completely his choice
player enjoyment is most important after all just ask and spoil
He already had it on, apparently 
Right I still need to read more pins
#1486557203887427705 message
@quasi night reading the card says what it does type message
im awake 3 hours after i wanted to go to bed free will was a mistake
Well, not damaging lasers, but the grub does fire lasers 
it’s not firing thrm at you though unless you’re a vulture
Yeah.
Blue, green, pink and white lizards spawn in Industrial.
And others can be lineaged.
that white lizard traveled pretty far tho lol
Did... did you never see any there? 
<@&1137895527271379055> <@&1387651053511770112> Hi everyone
Im pushing out a mini announcement about joke posts and cluttering posts
posts made just to joke around or arent related to the game should be closed + locked as they arent using the space for the intended purpose (also ping the poster to let them know). If someone is disrespectful towards you when doing this report it to @fervent lintel
Make sure posters are okay with having offtopic conversations and chains before starting it. The point of a post is to help someone or provide space for documentation. It can be annoying to some to have their post filled with random chatter and/or chains of emotes
*Posts that started off for rw help and have devolved into randomness overtime are okay
thank yous alls
not promoted to helpers ya see
What do you mean GUIDES???????
SORRy i don’t know if i contributed to this but imm saying aorry just in case
not a helper role so
there was one ping which was meant to be a modding helpers ping once which was funny
mfguidelpers
guides is the term I established to include people that arent helpers but do Help
in first playthrough stuffs
because otherwise it would be confusing!
helper lite would be really awesome
helper-in-training
1 person 
i was wondering about that
/silly

(except maybe the 1st)




