Old FP Guide Coordination [Archived]

[dusty jetty]

[hoary verge]

Omg thats one of my fav rooms

[dusty jetty]

it's... quite frustrating

especially as inv

[foggy quartz]

Made me fall a thousand times

I hate it

[hoary verge]

Oh

[dusty jetty]

inv has 7 Miros Vultures in shaded

[hoary verge]

As inv?

[dusty jetty]

but it's cool

[desert relic]

yummers

[hoary verge]

Oh

that sounds like

[dusty jetty]

also it's floes trigger room so

[hoary verge]

SKILL ISSUE

[hoary verge]

Yep

[dusty jetty]

true 🥹

[hoary verge]

That's why it's one of my fav

[wary mantle]

ty

[desert relic]

try shaded too there are some good spots you can also kill a mv in

tho i dont remember whre do you spawn in spearmaster mission

[dusty jetty]

you spawn in the wall

the upmost shelter

[desert relic]

oh then yeah

underhang is better 🥹

[quasi night]

Gourm has infinite rolling, right?

[sour bear]

I'm pretty sure no? Or at least I haven't heard of it

[quasi night]

I swore-

Hang on I need to fact check the wiki now

[foggy quartz]

it does

[quasi night]

Anyway, that's what I thought felt a little spoilery here: #1482598841235542056 message

[cedar cedar]

thats technically also the rotund mod 🤔

[hoary verge]

True

I think I'll have to remove it

[sour bear]

Put it back here

[quasi night]

It just feels like baaaarely too much

To be in a vanilla thread

[hoary verge]

Ur right tho

[quasi night]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1481007876800643175 It's actually really good game design that none of the gates out of GW are karma 1, so you NEED to learn scav karma

[cedar cedar]

seems like its awkward when you go to gw proper

[quasi night]

Ok that's fair-

[cedar cedar]

i think the second people actually manage to go left the chance of figuring out scav karma is like pushed back 5 hours

remember when the second ollie went back to artificer spawn and he figured out that something was weird with the corpse

and the only reason it went nowhere because he couldnt see the screen and therefore the path there

[frozen hatch]

so rotund ❤️‍🩹

[wary mantle]

yes

[cedar cedar]

i think i heard its technically just a pretty big roll timer

[quasi night]

Hehe get 🐌ed

[cedar cedar]

but unless youre in some specific spots its effectively infinite

[desert relic]

arti is there too but idk

[quasi night]

Oh yeah huh-

[tranquil mulch]

no, it lasts for 200 ticks (5 seconds on standard tickrate)

[quasi night]

Oh, huh-

[tranquil mulch]

it's a failsafe on rollDirection in general (the same reason that concussion climb is finite, for example)

if you ever have gotten stuck on a ledge rolling for a while as any character, this is also why the roll stops eventually (other timed checks for stopping the roll don't apply as they make sure to only do it when the head is above the body)

[quasi night]

All the wiki has to say on the matter is: Gourmand can roll for a significantly longer time than other Slugcats which is, uhhh... unhelpful

When you find a red pink lizard on a first playthrough:

[desert relic]

🥹

classic

[quasi night]

Oh right the message when forwarding comes after the forwarded message-

[crude jetty]

"Rain World on a timer"

[hoary verge]

Omg the nostalgia

My friend literally texted me like 2 weeks ago that he ran into a 'Red lizard' ina survivor run🥹 (it's their first playthrough)

[dark reef]

#1482598841235542056
Actually I met someone similar and thought they were softlocked while playing the game, they were stuck in filtiration system, and they said "stuck in a one way route and going back up needs crazy movement"

[cedar cedar]

i don’t want to pretend drainage isnt questionable game design

not only did they make it super easy to get into the final area of the game, they also made it bizarrely hard to get out

and the main route back is blocked off by learning unintuitive swimming mechanics that the game otherwise does not explain or require at all

[grave token]

I mean, technically speaking Depths is a soft lock if you just never find any guardians and fall down the pipe

[dark reef]

well they didnt reach depths yet

[grave token]

What other room would it be then

[dark reef]

i have no idea

here lemme find the threaed

it wasnt specified tho i think it was filitration

i think this person also asked this chat

or something

ah yes here it is

oh wait it was drainage not filtiration

OH WAIT ITS THOSE TUNNELS

I WAS STUCK ON THAT TO

[fierce wyvern]

[hoary verge]

Filtration

[proven wasp]

Drainage wouldn't be half as bad withoud that almost impossible rope jump tbf

[hoary verge]

I kinda like drainage

and the gutter

[proven wasp]

Pfp checks out

[hoary verge]

XD

That person with arti as their pfp:

[quasi night]

Y'know, I've started saying "Chimney my beloved " every time someone mentions Chimney... but I don't think I've ever actually been to The Gutter...

[cedar cedar]

gutter my beloved

[crude jetty]

Huh. Just got a 30 second timeout. Guess I'll have to be careful with a very specific word, I suppose.

Hopefully I won't forget again and end up getting banned or something.

[quasi night]

What... what word did you accidentally say?????

(Obviously don't answer, rhetorical question, but... ???)

[tender bloom]

@fervent lintel *BITES YOU!*

[crude jetty]

A

Oh, it's not me the one getting bit.

[sour bear]

Saint 🥹

[crude jetty]

Sain't.

[rustic schooner]

saint is a really cool campaign innit

[crude jetty]

It is indeed.

[verbal pelican]

only complaint is that like 99% of creatures pose absolutely zero threat because the tongue is so overpowered

and saint's spawns are just like the least mobile creatures imaginable for some reason

[crude jetty]

[cedar cedar]

lore…

saint has spiders ig

[sour bear]

well and theihr campaign focuses so much on a few very specific species like yellow lizards

[desert relic]

do yellow lizards like snow or smth

like they prefer snow and coldness just like miros vultures or something

[cedar cedar]

i dunno

i always imagined it uses like group warmth logic

they huddle together like penguins

[desert relic]

then why is there like 49 yellow lizards everywhere 🥹

also tons of centis

i think

esp centiwings

[cedar cedar]

the centis piss me off

i think its like

oh theyre electric

they keep warm because they are electric

and that seems wasteful i would assume you'd just run out of energy in 2 seconds atp

[proven wasp]

It just makes sense for a more intelligent coordinated specie to survive the snow tbh

Maybe i find Saint's campaign so sad because everything too uncoordinated is dead

Maybe i find saint so sad because my iterators are dead

Maybe i find saint so sad, because my goats Green lizors are dead

[crude jetty]

You have green scug instead.

[cedar cedar]

oh the lizards do have like, detailing for warm climates at least thats kinda cool

cold climates

extra fur and stuff i forgot exactly, i think they look different though

[proven wasp]

Not as good but okay

[rustic schooner]

i think they do actually yeah

[wary mantle]

My head canon about orange/yellow lizards is that they have one singular brain cell that they need to share with each other in the pack

[proven wasp]

Oh no now that must hurt alot

[cedar cedar]

oh a potential headcanon i’ve been thinking about where orange lizard telepathy is like a pluribus-type virus

like it infects and spreads as the timeline goes on

(potentially an old mass ascension experiment that didnt go anywhere )

[desert relic]

green lizors can be lineaged though in saint

[proven wasp]

WHAAAAAAAA?!!!!!
OMGGGG Jade ball knowledge thank you

[desert relic]

it says in the wiki

so yea

im looking at the map rn but icannot find a singular green lizard lineage for saint tho

nvm i found one

https://rain-world-downpour-map.github.io/map.html?slugcat=saint&region=GW&room=GW_C03

[quasi night]

Looks like it's the only one in the campaign, too

[desert relic]

🥹

dam

its weird that there are barely no lizard lineages at all tho

but oh well

[crude jetty]

Tame the only green lizard as a green scug.

The green team.

Although the red team doesn't look too bad either.

[tranquil mulch]

you should tame a Salamander as Saint

[frozen hatch]

team streetlight without yellow green scug wiht red lizor

[desert relic]

pink lizard as saint

[tranquil mulch]

Salamanders is funnier

you should do @Lost

[quasi night]

Better pairing ^

[crude jetty]

[frozen hatch]

explosion jump pairing

[quasi night]

(literally any scug) +

Best pair

[frozen hatch]

pilgrimage mention

[quasi night]

<@&821078631425769503> is the best RWSC

[desert relic]

<@&1430568664578658465> is fun too

[silver musk]

Pilgrimage propaganda

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1295244891559034922/1378062286035488838/SprinklesBoop.gif

[tender bloom]

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Cyan Lizards can even chew through locked gates and get out of them, so do not worry if you accidentally leave them behind when the gate closes. Just please don't be in the same room or close to it, we can't do it when observed

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[proven wasp]

THAMK YOU SO MUCH 🥹

[proven wasp]

WOAH survivor slaps the cyan?

[silver musk]

Yeah... and monk too!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1295244891559034922/1403388899291566130/SprinklesHyperPet.gif

[quasi night]

You don't know the wonders of just petting your cyan lizards, smh my head

[desert relic]

walliomoso jumpscare

[crude jetty]

Poor Sprinkles needs all the pets.

[tender bloom]

yes pls

*chirps*

Sprinkles hops around you!

*barks*

Sprinkles wags their tail and smiles at you!

*chirps*

Sprinkles hops around you!

*clicks*

Sprinkles touches noses with you!

*clicks*

Sprinkles touches noses with you!

[tranquil mulch]

duplicate

[proven wasp]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

rip sprinlles

Hey @tranquil mulch , is the dialogue five pebbles says if rivulet dies meant to only play if the puppet sees the player die, or anywhere in the general room with rot in it?

[tranquil mulch]

can't check rn

[proven wasp]

I wouldn't know cuz that dialogue was bugged for me

okay

[tender bloom]

*purrs*

Sprinkles brushes up against you happily!

[proven wasp]

Woah @silver musk i thought Sprinkles was done for how'dya get it in here!

[silver musk]

Springles is never done

No spring emote. I wish discord was better

[desert relic]

spi rnkls

say that to twitter

spring

[sacred fox]

Just in the room, I know because I've died out of his puppet's sight and he's still death-shamed me

I don't think besides tracking the player, Iterators have coded vision

[proven wasp]

Oh so it means the dialogue also bugged for Swoon

Thank you very much Halves!

[proven wasp]

When was your game btw?

why is the dialogue not playing

[sacred fox]

...last year

Probably about a year ago

[proven wasp]

I have already launched a complain in the bug reports thing a week or so ago

Both in this server, and akupara site

[tender bloom]

*clicks*

Sprinkles touches noses with you!

[crude jetty]

[tender bloom]

*warble*

Sprinkles approaches you and smiles, leaning into your hand as you pet!

[sour bear]

You could check by dying in one of the screens not in the center, RM_AI is actually a 5 screen room with pebbles in the central screen

I'd guess it wouldn't appear but I'm not sure

[proven wasp]

They are broken for me and apparently everyone rn, but the dialogue plays if i killbind (not die through proto rot)

I'll go check tho

[tranquil mulch]

there's a check that the puppet's current position is viewed by the camera before starting the dialogue

public void TalkToDeadPlayer()
{
    if (readyForDeadTalk && oracle.room.ViewedByAnyCamera(oracle.firstChunk.pos, 0f))
    {
        float value = Random.value;
        if (value <= 0.33f)
        {
            dialogBox.Interrupt(Translate("..."), 60);
            dialogBox.NewMessage(Translate("Well then..."), 60);
            dialogBox.NewMessage(Translate("Another ordeal to add to my running tally of bad luck..."), 60);
        }
        else if (value <= 0.67f)
        {
            dialogBox.Interrupt(Translate("..."), 60);
            dialogBox.NewMessage(Translate("How did it even manage to do that?..."), 60);
            dialogBox.NewMessage(Translate("What a dumb creature..."), 60);
        }
        else
        {
            dialogBox.Interrupt(Translate("..."), 60);
            dialogBox.NewMessage(Translate("That can't be good..."), 60);
        }
        readyForDeadTalk = false;
        needToClearConversation = true;
    }
}

[tranquil mulch]

death through proto rot doesn't count because the code disregards any players that do not have a realised creature, and death through proto rot destroys the realised creature

[proven wasp]

But the dialogue used to play fine and dandy for people who accidentally went into the proto rot, what happened?

[tranquil mulch]

I suspect this code was changed with 1.11 adding Jolly Co-Op support to Downpour campaigns.

[proven wasp]

What do you mean exactly? :O
Wait we are getting somewhere ooooo

[tranquil mulch]

checked, indeed this check was added in 1.11 and didn't exist in the second 1.10.4 version

[proven wasp]

Wait so that check is seemingly entirely useless and only serves to break that dialogue, why is it there 😭

[tranquil mulch]

it does use some of the realised creature's attributes though

you can see that FP picks the closest player to them as the one to address

and non-realised creatures don't have a position in the room defined

[proven wasp]

Ohhh...
So, the code would work perfectly fine in a jolly coop setting, but not single player?

Oh wow, we gotta report that

i mean, i already did (not the jolly part, that's new)

[tranquil mulch]

you'd expect the same thing in Jolly Co-Op

[proven wasp]

Fire

[tranquil mulch]

basically FP chooses the closest player to them as the player to consdier, and death by Rot destroys the player, making FP no longer consdier them

and since FP doesn't consdier destroyed players, he won't recognise the player has died, therefore not running the dialogue

[crude jetty]

Consider.

[tranquil mulch]

consdier*

[proven wasp]

I love the term "destroyed players" it's absolutely hilarious withoud context

[tranquil mulch]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destructor_(computer_programming)

[desert relic]

consdier

[proven wasp]

Wait so.. when Slugcat falls into the rot and is destroyed, we are actually making the game run faster?

Wow 🥹 , this is beautiful and definetly knowledge i DIDN't know i needed...

[crude jetty]

Every time we feed an entity to the rot, the world runs smoother.

Conclusion: Feed everything to the rot.

The world will be a better place consumed by it.

🫐 🫐 🫐 🫐
🫐 🫐
🫐 🫐 🫐 🫐

[proven wasp]

Rivulet really ahtes being surrounded by all that rot, while watcher seems to be lovin' it!! 🥹

[crude jetty]

Rivulet is having The Rot PTSD flashbacks.

[hoary verge]

🫐🫐🫐
🫐 🫐. 🫐
🫐🫐🫐

[proven wasp]

Self torture

BUT WHY IS HUNTER DOING THAT

[hoary verge]

He is unaware....

[hoary verge]

Also yay

[crude jetty]

He doesn't snow.

[hoary verge]

XD

[proven wasp]

hrrrm good thinking

[hoary verge]

||🫐🫐🫐
🫐 🫐.
🫐🫐🫐||

[crude jetty]

This is fine.

[hoary verge]

Yeah

[proven wasp]

Hmmmm yes, i sure do love being surrounded by comfy rot 😇

[hoary verge]

Yeah

Very

[crude jetty]

I mean.

[hoary verge]

Slimy

Spaghetti

Noises

[crude jetty]

It is kinda soft.

[hoary verge]

Ig

[crude jetty]

Like a squishy waterbed.

[hoary verge]

Except cancer inflicting

[crude jetty]

It's so soft you can sink right in.

[hoary verge]

Yeahh

[crude jetty]

Getting back out is the only issue.

[hoary verge]

But not back out- Lol

[crude jetty]

Too slow.

Which is surprising for a Rivulet of all scugs.

[quasi night]

Bro accidentally tamed the Precipice Cyan, what-

[tranquil mulch]

Cyans' taming difficulty is low enough that a single feeding suffices

assuming fully default opinion as a starting position

[quasi night]

Oh yeah, I know, I did <@&821078631425769503>

I’m just surprised they accidentally fed it at all

[crude jetty]

There's also a dropwig in that area, isn't there?

Might have killed the dropwig in the presence of the lizard and the dead dropwig got munched.

Unless they purposefully picked up the dropwig and tossed it at the lizard as a distraction.

[cedar cedar]

i think you have to carry the dropwig and drop it for it to count

and i think the lizard has to see you do that but idk

[verbal pelican]

if you accidentally grab and throw it and a lizor gets it then you have a new best friend
same with carnivorous scugs eating corpses and auto throwing them when they finish

[quasi night]

My backtracking advice to get out of the Precipice has not had the intended effect-

[woeful eagle]

#spoil-block🦇💥 message not sure how relevent this is, but a quick headsup for felpers, incase it is, and none noticed

[cedar cedar]

i love first playthrough survivor precipice aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

mandatory msc bans forever

no more precipices

no more gutters no more pipeyards

if you want to get stuck in a bullshit region just go to filtration system

[crude jetty]

Imagine getting stuck in Submerged Superstructure as Survivor on your first playthrough.

[grave stag]

Ah yes gutter. The region where I used 2 hours of my efforts to refind the moon on my first play through

[crude jetty]

Mmm... Nothing like a scug marinating in ancient industrial waste chemical soup for 2 hours.

Eel's favorite treat.

[grave stag]

Don't remind me of those nightmare lizards

[quasi night]

Wait 'till Ollie finds out you can't get to Moon as Arti while he's trying to go test eating her neurons

Instantaneous karma

[cedar cedar]

cant wait for him to find out the campaign he’s hardstuck in nerfs your abilities even more and makes you do the hardest fetch quest in the game

[quasi night]

Yeah...

I remember liking Spearmaster overall, but... yeah it has by far the worst case of Fetch Quest Syndrome

It just doesn't feel fun, or like good game design

The only way I avoided it was by passaging

[cedar cedar]

i managed the fetch quest ok but that was with enough foreknowledge to render the actual fetch quest part mostly trivial

[quasi night]

But I knew exactly where I was going due to spoilers

[cedar cedar]

i had key item tracking disabled at the time so i did walk manually

i primarily just didnt bring the pearl to gw or lower waterfront

who needs that noise when you can get in via the precipice entrance

[quasi night]

Wait I just realized

Ollie's routing away from Wall entrance now, right?

That means he might end up seeing Moon first

[cedar cedar]

depends

if he goes to gw that might be the end of the playthrough

[quasi night]

Let's hope he uh

Doesn't do that

[teal timber]

well.

Artificer.

They picked the perfect campaign to kill Looks to the Moon on

[cedar cedar]

yea

he wont even have to do anything

[fierce wyvern]

jobs done

[cedar cedar]

oh i imagine she’s still alive in arti

[fierce wyvern]

well jobs done as in there's no stopping it

[quasi night]

She probably only actually dies once she fully collapses, yeah-

[cedar cedar]

“dw guys the place is totally collapsing rn you just cant see it happen uhhhh the collapsing lives in canada”

[quasi night]

Thought it was only recently that I ever actually saw how the gate to Moon is blocked off, there's just one of the orange lizor orbs on it

She's actually not as collapsed as I first thought

[cedar cedar]

i’ll be disappointed if he doesnt parse what it is

[teal timber]

OH they're going through Five Pebbles
that means they could potentially pick the correct campaign to explore the Precipice

[cedar cedar]

its probably kinda wild to find out that lttm is kinda standing and you cant go there for seemingly no reason

[fierce wyvern]

The lizard defense sphere

[cedar cedar]

well arti precipice

[teal timber]

close enough

[cedar cedar]

its like 2/3 of the precipice?

1/2?

idk how much is missing

[quasi night]

I believe there's still a way down in Arti Precipice, at least, right?

[cedar cedar]

maybe its generous and its 3/4

yea there is

[fierce wyvern]

Orange/Cyan lizards are purposed to be deployed by iterators for protection

[cedar cedar]

lttm lizards all dead

dont got nothing on 5p lizard ball

those guys are bred different

[fierce wyvern]

and yet walk into the rot every time I visit riv memory crypts

[cedar cedar]

if it happens on screen its not canon

[cedar cedar]

#1474555235925229732 message ok cool ANYWAY now go to waterfront……….

[teal timber]

#1474555235925229732 message

[quasi night]

[teal timber]

we gotta save that

[cedar cedar]

oh jeez

[teal timber]

and mention it later

[quasi night]

Oh wow we both had the same brain cells there

[cedar cedar]

i dont think he remembered the artificer echo

or the artificer ending

[quasi night]

[cedar cedar]

the dialogue that says the boss fight is a point of no return

the boss fight ominously cutting your karma to 1

like those feel like pretty direct hints

[quasi night]

Well yeah he's not actually going for a different ending or anything

He's just using this opportunity to go see Moon and eat neurons

Not knowing she's inaccessible

[cedar cedar]

he has brought up arti true ending multiple times now

[quasi night]

I've just interpreted that as a bit-

[verbal pelican]

if the list™ or chart or whatever is still up and going i would like to submit this for pole plant

[proven wasp]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3358392058

[hoary verge]

XD

[proven wasp]

Wait it was moth that rivflabbergasted me, and not rivulet

[hoary verge]

There ya go

[proven wasp]

o

[hoary verge]

Whoops wrong one

[forest flax]

the sword does not spawn in regular campaigns

[north mural]

#1483748386908672011 message

(In downpour you get grapple worms here) @quasi night

[hoary verge]

Does Ollie know about the precipice

[teal timber]

they entered it as the Rivulet and left without exploring

[hoary verge]

Oh alr thx

Is this dp spoilers

[quasi stirrup]

yeah except I can't delete

[hoary verge]

Oh

[quasi stirrup]

feel free to ping gameplay helpers

they love getting pinged

[hoary verge]

U sure?

Pk

[quasi stirrup]

yeah

[hoary verge]

*ok

<@&810244997852168192>

[quasi stirrup]

i meant in

i mean that works too

[hoary verge]

Oh

[quasi stirrup]

[hoary verge]

🥹

[quasi stirrup]

gameplay helpers first fp coord ping

[hoary verge]

I'm cooked?

Did actually screw up a ping

[foggy quartz]

you just summoned every gameplay helper dont worry theyll love it

[hoary verge]

Welp, looks like I did

[quasi stirrup]

don't worry you're fine LMFAO it's just funny

[hoary verge]

Sorry guys

[topaz kelp]

I thought this was going to be a Gelper ping in an FP post again

[hoary verge]

Okay phew

[topaz kelp]

Yeah you are fine, don't worry

[red badger]

Hi

What’s goin on

[hoary verge]

Is this spoilers

[topaz kelp]

Pinging a Helper role to delete misplaced content is one of the encouraged uses in #server-announcements message

[hoary verge]

Cuz it's in a vanilla channel

[hoary verge]

So I did the right thing? Just that next time I should do it in the channel itself

[red badger]

Did someone already delete it

[topaz kelp]

It is generally discouraged to talk about DP to any extent in places that don't allow it, since even just things that seem unspoilery like acronyms will still incite discussions about it, so to me it does seem like something that should be deleted

[topaz kelp]

Yeah, exactly

[fierce wyvern]

the rare Gelper ping

[red badger]

Dang, arrived too late to explode it 🥹

[topaz kelp]

Sorry not sorry

[red badger]

How dare you do your job

[woeful eagle]

i have been summoned with the horde

[hoary verge]

Thank you all!

[cedar cedar]

cant believe theres a stun explosion tutorial prompt for artificer and still no one knows about it because its phrased so awkwardly

[fierce wyvern]

i believe it also didnt appear sometimes

[cedar cedar]

it used to be bugged, it shouldnt be bugged anymore

ollie did get it though, when he was stuck in gw

also cant believe you got mycologist as your second or first rwsc

[fierce wyvern]

second

passages was first though so

[cedar cedar]

wow you skipped the easy challenges 😔

now i feel insecure and sad and stuff

[fierce wyvern]

i went for a cool role color

[cedar cedar]

oh true

[fierce wyvern]

next is commitment

[crude jetty]

Well, if they were waiting for the overseer to guide them, I have some bad news for them.

[verbal pelican]

hoping and praying this is a joke because this might be the worst advice i've ever seen

[crude jetty]

Nah. Your first campaign should definitely be Enot. If you don't play Enot before Survivor then you're playing Rain World wrong.

But seriously though, who cares about playing them in chronological order?

You can't even play SM before beating either Gourmand, Hunter or Arti, and all three take place after SM.

[woeful eagle]

it also would be probably extremly hard

[cedar cedar]

its a fun idea to see it in linear order ig

thats kinda all it rly is

[fierce wyvern]

i feel like thats only something you do on a second full playthrough on a different save

[verbal pelican]

also why do people think hunter is like hell 🥹 you know you can retry right

playing spearmaster first and still skipping hunter is wild

[proven wasp]

ONLY 1 LEFT?

JEEZ

[cedar cedar]

because they want to play a regular campaign not a scorerunner speedrun thing

and hunter is awkward for that

[fierce wyvern]

i ended up forgetting about hunter and did every campaign including watcher before it and not because it was hard

[cedar cedar]

i just ended up believing the hype

[dark tiger]

tis a joke

[cedar cedar]

it probably wouldve been too much for me at the start

[dark tiger]

we were having a gaf lol

[fierce wyvern]

tried it, moved on, forgot to retry

[verbal pelican]

thank goodness

[crude jetty]

People are scared of the permadeath mechanic. Understandably so.

But even then, there are options to extend the timer.

[verbal pelican]

it’s not like it deletes rain world from your library or anything 💔

[dark tiger]

people mostly get intimidated by the way people speak about hunter

[cedar cedar]

hey guys welcome to my first hunter playthrough (cycle 325346)

[dark tiger]

they get told it's super hard, has permadeath, and is unnecessary for the story

[verbal pelican]

idk why it’s so overhyped it’s easier than spearmaster imo

[dark tiger]

hence why people dont play it

[cedar cedar]

also thats it boring and doesnt have the fun superpowers

[verbal pelican]

unnecessary for the story 🥹

[crude jetty]

I don't think SM is harder than Hunter.

[dark tiger]

dp does kind of steal its main selling points unfortunately

SM is more tedious than hunter

[cedar cedar]

sm is definitely harder than hunter

[verbal pelican]

doesn’t steal it being a good campaign 😌

[dark tiger]

hunter is still my fav for sure

[crude jetty]

Unlike Hunter, SM has infinite spears, infinite cycles and has no permadeath or sickness to deal with.

[dark tiger]

it executes what it wants to do very well

while it doesn't have much, its writing is also very nice

[crude jetty]

Hunter requires not only combat skills, but careful planning of your path and good time optimization skills.

[verbal pelican]

you can hold a grand total of one thing for the majority of the campaign and also tbe spawns are cranked up so much it’s terrble

[cedar cedar]

the most important thing about hunter is that it has a bunch of awkward knowledge checks you need to pass

[dark tiger]

you can brute force SM in a way you cant for Hunter

[verbal pelican]

maybe it’s just that i go fast enough for hunter cycle limit to not be a problem in the first place

[dark tiger]

it's mostly a first playthroughs thing

once youve played it enough and have all the knowledge and muscle memory hunter is pretty easy lol

[verbal pelican]

i did it immediately after monk and i suck at video games (see peggle stream) and it wasn’t thaaaaat bad

took me a few tries but you are allowed to restart restarting is a thing use it you don’t have to beat it first try

hi rattuse

[quasi stirrup]

peggle steam 🥹

[crude jetty]

I tried it as my second playthrough after monk. Managed to deliver the neuron to Moon, but died in Shoreline.

[verbal pelican]

sol beat it first try immediately after survivor so

[crude jetty]

Decided to retry it after I got better at the game, somewhere in the middle of my Downpour trip.

[verbal pelican]

tbf they did know the map and the shoreline sub connection

[crude jetty]

I swear Sky Islands was the hardest part for me.

[verbal pelican]

cyan lizards 🥹

[crude jetty]

Got stuck there trying to brute force my way through the cyans.

For hours.

[dark tiger]

if you're taking the pearl and the neuron, sky islands is pretty torturous lol

in a good way

[verbal pelican]

hunty sky islands is definitely something

[crude jetty]

And after I went past Sky Islands, the rest was smooth as butter.

[verbal pelican]

goes through the leg

[dark tiger]

i do get a bit sad that people suggest throwing away the pearl. i feel like it's a part of the challenge

also makes backspear really notable

[crude jetty]

In fact, it was not the majority of sky islands that I got stuck on for so long.

It was one peculiar room that was the bane of my existence.

[verbal pelican]

it’s either long jump room or the room immediately before it with the cyan lizards yellows and monster kell

[crude jetty]

SI_C01

Cyans and yellows.

The thing is that, in order to avoid having to restart the run,I abused the starving mechanic to preserve karma for the gates.

I sheltered in SI_S04, after the echo I tried going through to Chimney, but died to that room a few times. When my karma hit level 4, I began to starve, so I'd make it into Chimney, shelter by the gate and have Karma 6 to meet the echo there on my way to the wall.

But if the yellow and cyan room was hard with normal Hunter, imagine a perpetually starving one.

I achieved my objective.

But at what price...?

[hoary verge]

XD

[hoary verge]

YEAH

That's why I summoned the gameplay helpers

[tranquil mulch]

that was the mauling tutorial

[rocky sleet]

hiii 👋 👋 👋

[atomic locust]

good for indoctrination of the masses

[quasi stirrup]

become felpers

[grave stag]

Felper propaganda

[crude jetty]

The gelper horde has been alerted.

[tranquil mulch]

the last gameplay helper to reply to this message will be exploded

you have 1 day

[crude jetty]

So if no gameplay helper replies at all, nobody explodes.

[tranquil mulch]

if no one replies, all of them explode

[frozen hatch]

im not gameplay helper but can i explosion pls

[quasi night]

I am scared on this person's behalf...

I have given them the advice of not committing to Hunter... and they are specifically not following it

[verbal pelican]

good 😌

[quasi night]

Maybe they will reconsider when they find out about the time limit... maybe

[dark reef]

i was also like this when i got to pebbles in hunter lol

[frozen hatch]

<@&1137895527271379055> soilers tell them not to do that

[sacred fox]

Better to ping the person in here and let them know of policy

[frozen hatch]

both @bright copper and @tough ice

[sacred fox]

Awareness ping in the coordination thread please take a look at the pins here for player helping guidelines

We try to avoid giving direct instructions as much as humanly possible

[frozen hatch]

suggesting that a certain region can be a bad pick for a first playthrough is one of such cases of oversharing

[bright copper]

Ya oops I didn’t know

[tough ice]

I uh

Wasnt suggesting any of that

I just said drainage on a first timers..?

I didnt outright tell him ||"drainage is going to be bad please dont go there"||

The message can go either way

[frozen hatch]

implication is still a suggestion

[tough ice]

What implication😭

Maybe saying the sweet smell of dead scug but that can apply to almost every region

[frozen hatch]

we kind of prefer not to tell first timers experience of other first timers

so they dont think theyre going against the easier/normal path

[tough ice]

Even in this "case" it wouldnt be entirely wrong to say ||maybe consider an easier path||

Not even easier. Just different.

I dont want to be like

"Grr you went drainage even though the game didnt elaborate on where to go!!!"

Ill delete it but

[twin ridge]

it's not even the "wrong way" to go though
as such, any sort of discouraging someone from going through there is actively taking away their agency

[frozen hatch]

in other words backseating

[tough ice]

Eeehhh... it kind of is when it comes to lore wise and more "fun" wise to a new player

Would you rather struggle with water puzzles or struggle with spiders. Both arent fun but both are still good learning opportunities

[frozen hatch]

would be nice if a player was given a choice

blind playthroughs can only be experienced once

[tough ice]

They are. If they need help because they arent having a fun time due to making a wrong choice they should know it wasnt entirely their fault.

[frozen hatch]

offer them a tip in that case, offer the opportunity to receive a tip, then the player will be the oe deciding to receive it or go through the challenges themsleves

[tough ice]

Also spoilers: ||technically speaking. Indus>shaded>mc>leg>febbs>wall>SL>ST>||

By "lorewise" this is technically the right path. Which is why I disagree with drainage

Im not going to outright tell them its wrong

[twin ridge]

respectfully
what are you talking about

[tough ice]

Survivor lore path "technically" speaking

[twin ridge]

where do you have this information?

[hushed flame]

dont need to spoilertag stuff in here btw

[tough ice]

A friend who has near 1k+ hours on this game and has 100% it

[twin ridge]

ah

they don't know what they're talking about

lmao

[tough ice]

Except they do twin

Shoreline I guess.

But we are talking the febbs route

Which is where you get split off between these

[twin ridge]

the only thing you could argue is a lore accurate path is following iggy to moon, then pebbles, then following his instructions to farm arrays and subterranean

[frozen hatch]

its not wise to assume everyone goes straight to five pebbles in a game about exploration.

[twin ridge]

there's no indications of another "correct" route

[tough ice]

Forgot about farm arrays but its the same point.

Simple to follow path kinda.

[tough ice]

You uh. Kinda have to?

[hushed flame]

technically you dont

[tough ice]

They wont RUN towards him but they will push towards him whether they like it or not for the ascension end

[hushed flame]

pebbles isnt even required for the ending??

[tough ice]

Isnt ascension blocked off by guardians if you dont have 10 karma orrr

Am I misremembering

[hushed flame]

pebbles isnt the only way to increase karma

[twin ridge]

you don't have to visit pebbles to increase karma :p
it's uncommon for first playthroughs to manage it but it does happen lol

and pebbles is often one of the very last areas to get explored, especially for people that kill moon upon first meeting her so they never get directed through crypts to leg

[tough ice]

The entirety of leg kinda leads up to febbs though😭

I can see how a newplayer might actually just run past him entirely

[frozen hatch]

again, memory crypt may not even be discoevred by first players to get to the leg in the first place

[tough ice]

Even then the shoreline route is still pretty brutal to new players

Dont have to tell them they are going to the wrong area but febbs route is a decent bit easier

[frozen hatch]

not all games are about fastest completion

[twin ridge]

that is very subjective XD

[tough ice]

I spent 12 hours on my first surv run I can tell😭

[frozen hatch]

i spent 36

[hushed flame]

i forgot how long it took me

[tough ice]

And then I wouldve had a half decent time on hunter but I geuinely got the worst red centipede spawn known to rainworld kind

[twin ridge]

15 hours for mine apparently

[tough ice]

6 ROOMS AWAY FROM HIS SPAWN!!!

WHAT WAS HE DOING??!

[twin ridge]

the perseverance experience

[tough ice]

I mean

Okay I wont sugarcoat it

[frozen hatch]

gah i need to do that but im having fun with massacre atm

[tough ice]

Inspectors in general are HORRID

[tough ice]

Espescially when a new player doesnt know how gravity works

[frozen hatch]

they dont touch you if you dont attack them/eat pearls in their sight

pearls

[twin ridge]

they're DLC content for a reason, and only cause problems if you cause problems lmao

[tough ice]

Oh wrong thing

Rott man

I mix them up sometimes.

Rott walls in febbs

[frozen hatch]

i love eating pearls

[tough ice]

Rott walls are horrid for new players

Febbs can take hours when a new player doesnt know how the gravity works and how to play around rott

[frozen hatch]

i can agree with that unfortunate development might be the most unfair and frustrating region in the game

[tough ice]

Woah woah woah

We not calling UD unfair.

Its frustrating sometimes.

Its not unfair.

https://tenor.com/view/luigi-mario-doctor-mario-ai-story-gif-10531032281921102700

[hushed flame]

naw i agree that region is unfair

[tough ice]

If we want to talk unfair

We talk about shaded citadel

[tough ice]

And the 500 fucking wolf spiders.

[frozen hatch]

mm i love ahving two blueberries at either side of the long vertical room blocking any windows wiht their tentacles

[tough ice]

Id rather have 2 daddy's blocking the way up on the first vertical leap over wolf spiders

[hushed flame]

shaded isnt bad 🥹
most overhated region fr

[tough ice]

I have so much beef with shaded

[frozen hatch]

i love shaded

[tough ice]

CALISCOPEDES ARE ONE THING

wolf spiders are the worst thing to ever touch on this earth dude

[hushed flame]

YES SAME!!
its also the region where i tamed my first lizor!! by accident

[twin ridge]

No armor, one-shot to a spear

[frozen hatch]

YAY!!! it gets really vibey when you have a light source

[tough ice]

pew pew pew

[frozen hatch]

or alternatively, flashbang

[twin ridge]

Spitter spiders?

[tough ice]

Both at once

Or if they js camp an exit and kill you because they decided to jump you when they run at Mach 10

I would rather fight 5 miros vultures as monk before fighting any form of wolf spider

I would rather kill an entire scav kill squad as gourmand WITHOUT bombs before fighting wolf spiders

[twin ridge]

Lmao

[tough ice]

I share the same level as hatred for wolf spiders and spitters as arti does scavengers

They are bottom 1 things this game has ever had the thought of making

[tough ice]

The 2nd one is a slugcat I will not mention but we all know

[frozen hatch]

iunno what youre talking abot i liked their campaign

[tough ice]

Anyway enot was the best thing to happen to rain world

[sour bear]

wait what

[frozen hatch]

what wait

?

[hoary verge]

Phew I thought I was in trouble or smh

But hello 👋😁

[proven wasp]

Hey quick question

why do DP first playthroughers NEVER bother to do DP scugs ascension ending

i feel really really REALLY lonely in here

[sour bear]

Because they are very... Samey

[desert relic]

dp scug ascensions are corny and very low effort

except arti

[proven wasp]

Wdym?

No i mean as in

[proven wasp]

They DON'T know that

maybe maybe one of them will wanna see it

[sour bear]

Spear, gourm, riv Ascension are all exactly the same

[proven wasp]

or maybe they will be like "Dang i just did evil path as arti... tried to ascenf for a better ending" which rarely happens

[desert relic]

spear is the worst one

[sour bear]

And normal endings tend to be easier anyway

Ascension requires k10

[proven wasp]

Yeah

But i guess getting into this subject will lead into a similar convo as to why they rarely pearlmax

[sour bear]

I got spearmasters normal endings but I liked them enough to continue and ascend in the same playthrough

[proven wasp]

Swoon my "beloved"

Pearlmaxed and got arti "ascension" ending

[proven wasp]

Fire

[sour bear]

I like them cause their so wierd

[proven wasp]

Wish they had facilitated Professional larp with it

Spearmaster on the conceptual level is so awesome

I sure hope windy doesn't see this

[desert relic]

i have seen this

[proven wasp]

NOOOO

[quasi night]

Anyone wanna silently nuke this Industrial Complex mention? #1484046913144885359 message

[sacred fox]

No watcher content in here please that goes in #1356256638541103114

[sacred fox]

[proven wasp]

Leditor overloading in t minus, 10 seconds

[quasi night]

Oh yeah, that was a take about Spiders and a Watcher creature that got deleted, right?

Hard disagree, Spiders are easy and that Watcher creature is my least favorite in all of Rain World, DLC or otherwise

[sacred fox]

Spoil block didn't catch it because it wasn't spelled correctly lol

[dusty jetty]

is the word gate considered a spoiler?

[sacred fox]

I thought about it, but I personally don't think so? But I'll probably still blast it just in case

[crude jetty]

Woop!

Guess who's Survivor level now babyyy!

[crude jetty]

It is only a spoiler if the OP hasn't figured out it is, in fact, a gate that opens up.

After they learn how to activate and open them, it'd say it's fine to call them 'gate'.

Just not Karma gate.

[fierce wyvern]

im nearly there

level 27

[crude jetty]

Hunter level is lvl 50.

Gonna take a bit to get there.

Maybe I'll boost that up when I start my Enot campaign.

[silver musk]

[tranquil mulch]

the word has uses besides watcher spoilers so it wouldn't be blocked if spelt correctly
though, it's not even flagged for some reason

adding it to flag

[tranquil mulch]

oops discord ate the reply

[sacred fox]

I swear I've seen it in spoil block, but good idea, ty

[tranquil mulch]

ah yeah #1356256638541103114

[hoary verge]

[wary mantle]

@crude jetty don’t mind me, I’m just trying to not spoil them 🥹

[crude jetty]

Ah, gotcha.

Sorry. :<

[quasi stirrup]

@frozen hatch this is probably just nitpicking but id change the mentioning of regions just in case

since they are still in outskirts

[hoary verge]

True

[frozen hatch]

possibly? i understand where youre coming form but then again all of the games have regions

ill try not to mention stuff like that

[quasi stirrup]

they have no idea there's anything beyond outskirts and got confused when the other person mentioned areas and a starting area

[frozen hatch]

fair

[quasi stirrup]

which is why i wanna be careful

[frozen hatch]

im. doing perseverance

[quasi stirrup]

the hardest rwsc already

[frozen hatch]

its not that hard actually!

i got to subterranean with 9 karma once already

[frozen hatch]

would it have been better if i said something like "plus the game can be enjoyed very much even without following a strict path"?

[quasi stirrup]

yeah

[frozen hatch]

YAY :D

[quasi stirrup]

WHAT 🥹

[proven wasp]

MOTH GOT A W

[frozen hatch]

i did a blunder there i woudlve completed it otherwise

[hoary verge]

Wow

[proven wasp]

Wow

[grave stag]

What's preserverance challenge?

[wary mantle]

Hunter but no cycle

[grave stag]

Elaborate, Ty.

[wary mantle]

Set hunter to cycle 0 and go to depths

[grave stag]

Ah, so ascend without cycles left? Are the karma requirements on gates thing in that run?

[quasi stirrup]

you have to visit echoes and get max karma so yeah karma requirements are enabled

you can hibernate and go to negative cycles but it is very rng based with creatures

[tranquil mulch]

karma requirements are pretty irrelevant because your karma literally can't go down without failing lmao

[grave stag]

Were hunter echoes freebie ones or do I misremember stuff

[tranquil mulch]

hunter echoes still have the karma requirement (if the echo has one), but no "enter room on previous cycle" requirement

and again the karma requirement is pretty irrelevant because your karma can't go down

[crude jetty]

No, your karma can't go down.
What goes down is your entire run.

[proven wasp]

Congratulations, y'all brought NOITA into Rain World

Happy now?

Can someone send me a funny Noita clip that doesn't end with the player dying and losing their progress?

Genuine question btw

[frozen hatch]

sacrifice of oneself to the pursuit of knowledge is the highest tribute to the gods

[crude jetty]

For Perseverance you need 4 echoes though, right? You need karma 5 to meet the Farm Arrays and Sky Islands echo, and you need karma 4 to make it into Sub to get the one without the requirements. You also need karma 4 to make it to the wall for the other freeby echo.

So one way or another, you have to spend one cycle to meet at least one echo.

Meet the one in Sub first, then Farm Arrays, then Sky Islands, then Chimney. From there straight to depths, is the path that would make most sense.

[frozen hatch]

this wouldnt really make sense as youd have to save close to the sub one no?

my path is to get to si immediately and get to that one shelter with an eggbug den nearby and then get the si echo through hibernating and starving and then based on cycle length go to either chimney echo or wall echo and then get the second one and after that go to subterranean and save by the farm arrays sub gate and then get the echo and then complete the game

[crude jetty]

Another option could be to starve from the get go. Starve in the shelter next to Sub to get the karma to cross, get the echo and you get the cycle refunded.

[frozen hatch]

fair that opens up opportunity to not go through farm arryas

but liek...,,,.,,.,,.,.,.,.,, scavengers are scary on this challlenge

no wanna go through tolls

[crude jetty]

What if you didn't have to go through the toll to reach the echo?

[frozen hatch]

ermm uhmmmmm idunno...,,.

but im gonna finish perseverance soon!!

as my fourth challnge

[crude jetty]

Ambicious.

I can respect that.

I wish you good fortune in your endeavors, little creature.

[frozen hatch]

thank you !!!

[quasi night]

HUH

HOW DOES HE KNOW???

The reasoning he gave is wrong because Waterfront still looks like that in Spear (at least, I think... admittedly I don't think I ever went there as Arti)

[tranquil mulch]

waterfront is mostly identical as artificer, but the paths to lttm are blocked off (lower one with a collapsed Yellow Lizard Orb, upper one with the bridge being collapsed)

[quasi night]

Yeah, that's what I thought

Except Ollie hasn't found these things yet

[tranquil mulch]

ah

[quasi night]

Nor has he been here as Spear

[tranquil mulch]

oh I misread your comment

[quasi night]

Ollie's ability to accidentally predict things is unmatched (though I suppose this one's a bit more intentional)

[tranquil mulch]

reading through some history, I don't think the reasoning doesn't hold because of Spearmaster

in fact, I think it's even strengthened if you have completed Spearmaster

[fierce wyvern]

he did though

he saw the ruined bottom entrance

[quasi night]

Oh I missed that whoops-

Dang

[tranquil mulch]

since:

• Arti isn't difficult to see to be after spearmaster
• lttm is clearly pretty close to collapsing in spearmaster

[quasi night]

I've been way busier this week than I've been previously so I haven't been able to pay enough attention to these threads-

Also, I'm confused by how this person doesn't think that they're just being referred to Metropolis by Pebbles??? #1477715519502159894 message

[tranquil mulch]

with the way it was misremembered, GW makes more sense

relevant dialogue if needed :peanutbutter:

[tranquil mulch]

not quite misremembered but selectively remembered

[quasi night]

Oh I already grabbed it elsewhere-

[tranquil mulch]

||However, if you intend to carry that device around and masquerade as one of my citizens, then perhaps<LINE>you can at least properly perform your responsibility of tending to this superstructure.

A large pack of them has made a home in my city, and have been causing progressive damage to<LINE>the roof of my structure in their attempts to gather scrap metal and other mechanical parts.

0 : As my dutiful citizen, ||I would encourage you to return home to your city and pay them a visit. : 30

if you forget the spoiled parts that establish context, then yeah GW is more sensible

[grave token]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1484360719913844898
...why is this thread locked??

[quasi night]

I was about to ask the same question-

Did the poster just... decide to lock it??? I forget if the OP even gets permission to do that-

[modern harness]

Uhhhh i dont rmemeber

I think users can close them but idk about lock

[quasi night]

It doesn't look like it, I just checked my Watcher thread to see if I have the option, and it wasn't there, so unless it's for some reason different between the channels, then...

[modern harness]

Cuz closing just makes it hide p much but locking makes only mods able to type in it

[quasi night]

Yeah

[modern harness]

I could open it

[grave stag]

Who tried to mark thread as read or make it hidden for themselves but closed it :D

[modern harness]

lol

Why did they put the close stuff so close to the other options tho

Ive accidentally locked a couple threads too lol

[grave stag]

I don't admit doing that even tho I probably have done similar in past :)
The poor washer threads .-.

[grave stag]

Yep exactly

[frozen hatch]

ive completed perseverance

it was very very fun

[quasi night]

... but also

[crude jetty]

Ooohhh, congrats.

Now do Commitment.

[grave stag]

Hmmm I should do perseverance too

[frozen hatch]

yes philos the fox i shall do that too

i want to get all 80 some day

[frozen hatch]

good luck!!1!!1!!!1

[crude jetty]

[quasi stirrup]

in the past users have locked their own posts yeah

[tranquil mulch]

Yes.

[proven wasp]

New name for red lizors

[wary mantle]

[crude jetty]

Machinegun lizors.

[hoary verge]

[steel hamlet]

“FP” stands for “first playthrough” right?

[crude jetty]

Yes.

Usually, Five Pebbles is refered to as 5P.

[steel hamlet]

Huh

Oh right

[quasi night]

FP can be “first playthrough” or “Five Pebbles” depending on the context

[cedar cedar]

no one says fp for five pebbles tho it’s almost universally 5p

[wary mantle]

old first playthrough channels :

[cedar cedar]

nooo

[teal timber]

I for one use FP for Five Pebbles
mostly force of habit from the older first-playthrough channel formats where you had to check what players had seen by showing them acronyms, and therefore the acronyms had to be as vague as possible

[steel hamlet]

I just wanted to know what FP meant because threads don’t have descriptions :<

[cedar cedar]

does from being a fake fan

i swear i was there for like at least a little bit before downpour

i saw the outskirts to lttm and lttm to 5p channels

[teal timber]

it was lttm-to-fp

[crude jetty]

5🪨

[cedar cedar]

uaaaggghhh

[teal timber]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/297163941703057408

[steel hamlet]

If it’s a first playthrough channel isn’t this spoilers??

Oh it also says “coordination”

[crude jetty]

This is the guide coordination channel.

[steel hamlet]

Aha!

OK then

[crude jetty]

Basically this is the channel where the people who know argue with each other about what to tell to the people who don't know.

[cedar cedar]

the only spoilers this place cares about atm is watcher spoilers

[steel hamlet]

Sounds… dull.

[crude jetty]

If you're someone who has not finished vanilla or downpour, you probably shouldn't be in this channel.

[steel hamlet]

But highly necessary…?

I’ve finished all the campaigns, I’m fine with spoilers

My mind is full of knowledge I can’t unlearn

And memories of my time playing one of my favorite games

I might come back here if it’s relevant to me, for now I’m just exploring the discord server

Good bye.

[crude jetty]

See ya.

[proven wasp]

@green shoal Careful to not demoralize Guppy too much btw! Just some advice

[green shoal]

Thanks!

[quasi stirrup]

also be careful referring to things by their community given names, like proto rot or worm grass

we usually encourage first playthroughers to make their own names for things

[green shoal]

Thanks for the tips! I wouldn't of thought about self names anytime soon

[proven wasp]

Watch guppy be destroyed by riv underhang btw

[green shoal]

My riv playthrough I went to underhang through wall, so I have no idea how bad it is

What I do remember was my friend taking us through UD in our time with meadow "for fun"

So I thought the wall route didn't work

[quasi night]

I went through all of Leg and Underhang in Riv, to reach The Rot through the Wall entrance

[proven wasp]

Wow you are so cool

[quasi night]

There’s this one room that I strugled with the most, specifically…

[proven wasp]

don't edit that, it's perfecrt

NOOOOO

[green shoal]

I am scared to go back in riv and do underhang now...

[quasi night]

The room with the detached lizorb and a buncha rot… hang on I can try to find it on the map

https://rain-world-downpour-map.github.io/map.html?slugcat=rivulet&region=UW&room=UW_C02RIV

This room specifically

Drove me insane

[green shoal]

looking at it on the map somehow brings back memories from my riv playthrough

[quasi night]

Oh hey level 30 I get a new role now

[green shoal]

Congrats!

[quasi night]

I missed the ping somehow-

[quasi night]

I guess it was from this message

[green shoal]

I forget if you need a grapple worm in riv underhang

[proven wasp]

Yes

[green shoal]

I just hope Guppy knows the alternate route through pebbles, I can't imagine UD being the main route

[proven wasp]

you do

otherwise it's just impossible

[green shoal]

Thanks! Yeah the map didn't seem very playable without it but riv has riv speed

[proven wasp]

It is pretty much ideal they choose to ignore the underhang pebbles gate entirely and head up the wall

[green shoal]

That's ideal...

My playthrough I went up the wall, met pebbles, thought I couldn't access pebbles from pebbles, went back down into underhang, got told you actually can access pebbles from pebbles, and either passaged or made my way back up

[proven wasp]

Lmao lolrip, you missed the pipe in the pebbles room?

[green shoal]

Yeah... I thought that was just to show how much the rot had taken over pebbles

[proven wasp]

o i see

[proven wasp]

Wait a second we didn't discuss precipicein here?

delete

delete

Okay it's fine they didn't see it

anyways

yeah

precipice is great

[green shoal]

It's how I survived my first precycle (which, in underhang as survivor was not particularly very fisrt time player friendly)

[proven wasp]

ZAPZAPZAPZAP

[green shoal]

underhang in a nutshell without the bottomless pits and rot

[radiant night]

this is the coordination thread

[proven wasp]

No it's cuz i thought i was chatting with Astrobot about precipice here, but actually aws doing in the thread of this user i'm not even sure knows what a precipice is

quickly deleted it and they didn't see it

[radiant night]

oh i see

how long till rubicon guide coordination

<@&1430568121038540942> core

[green shoal]

It's because riv underhang Karma can get brutal

[proven wasp]

What's Cycles?

[green shoal]

especially if you plan on trying for the 5 karma gate

[radiant night]

travel in a circle around all of rubicon in one cycle

[proven wasp]

Firefirefire

[green shoal]

Thats possible?

[radiant night]

see its a vague loop

[radiant night]

yes

you start and end in that middle shelter

[green shoal]

there's like 7 shelters meant for the go around!

[radiant night]

[green shoal]

How do you get through 7 shelters worth of intended progress within one cycle?

[radiant night]

be very fast

@foggy quartz is cycles very tight on timing

[foggy quartz]

ive been summoned

[green shoal]

Saint has to wake up and decide "Today I want to be rivulet"

[foggy quartz]

eeee a bit i would say

depends on how rng treats you

[radiant night]

i wanted to turn my brain off

[foggy quartz]

on a perfect run you have a lot of time to spare tho

[radiant night]

what if i dont ascend any creatures

[foggy quartz]

if only guardian arenas could be dead

[radiant night]

im sending 100 fire eggbugs to you

[green shoal]

that seems like one of the biggest issues with the cycles run, guardians waste a lot of time

[radiant night]

you can recharge your blast at stations around the area too at least

[foggy quartz]

yeah

[green shoal]

Yeah I only learned that for the last saint challenge

So I never used that in rubicon to actually get through the area fast

[radiant night]

casual playthrough they arent too helpful

[green shoal]

My memory of rubicon I remember being very lost, and then eventually finding it

[green shoal]

Unfortunatley not

[quasi night]

[crude jetty]

Trully a despicable act.

[green shoal]

This is just depressing!

[quasi night]

A… <@&1305978131852824677> act?

[quasi night]

I still have never eaten any of Moon’s neurons, ever - I just stole the neuron for <@&1305978131852824677>

(Then returned it the next cycle)

Oh wait what???

They didn’t eat the neurons???

????

They ate one AFTER getting the A New Friend dream????????

[desert relic]

[dark tiger]

experimentation 🙂

[verbal pelican]

not friends for long

[quasi night]

Why are people just so emotionless when they eat them???

[quasi night]

Also: THEY KNEW IT WAS CALLED A NEURON

THAT VERY CLEARLY IMPLIES IT’S BRAIN RELATED

[dark tiger]

it is a video game

[quasi night]

WHY WOULD YOU EAT A BRAIN CELL???

[dark tiger]

it's also one where you get brutalized by nearly everything that you meet so you may not care that much for the nonverbal blue robot who doesn't help progression

[verbal pelican]

i wanna pin this so badly