Old FP Guide Coordination [Archived]

[vagrant lotus]

something a little more thought provoking

[uncut prism]

Also, Dot grabs stuff from your hand if you walk into her with it

I found that out on accident

It's neat

So it's not even a nothingburger if the player reads deep into it, it's just gonna tale

take

A while

[vagrant lotus]

"the pearls hold more value than they seem"??????

idk

[uncut prism]

^^^

[vagrant lotus]

one of us speaks in riddles one of us speaks in rhymes ahh

[north mural]

It's a banger hint ngl

[teal timber]

I think Ollie has explored enough to recognise that "the thing the scavengers like" -> pearls

[north mural]

If you ruminate on it a bit

Layers to it

[vagrant lotus]

no no i mean

its deeper than a trading item

[quasi stirrup]

wow that's a good hint 🥹

[quasi stirrup]

yeah this is the fun about it

they're supposed to make you more confused

the felper experience of vague hints

[uncut prism]

Frfr

[vagrant lotus]

i feel like if ollie continues this way though i feel like he wont really understand what the key items are about

since he just got rid of them instantly

[uncut prism]

Why does it matter?

[vagrant lotus]

i dont think he can beat hunter like THAT

[uncut prism]

You don't need anything to beat Hunter

Just Echoes

[vagrant lotus]

well he can move onto downpour sure

but youd have to memorize all the different locations

and u need like over 4 iirc or maybe 3 im not really sure but thats alot for a newbie

[uncut prism]

They're literally all on a very clear route

You need 3 Echoes + Pebbles, or 4 Echoes

[vagrant lotus]

yes but finding them is pretty difficult

[uncut prism]

No?

[vagrant lotus]

i mean

[uncut prism]

They all lie on a clean path

[vagrant lotus]

for me it was as a new chudling

has ollie even gotten any echoes yet

[quasi stirrup]

yes

[vagrant lotus]

which

[uncut prism]

Farm Arrays -> Sky Islands (literally a one-room detour from the direct room out; Could be missed, but that's not bad) -> Chimney Canopy (same) -> The Wall (same) -> 5P -> The Wall (can't be missed if they take this route because maxxed Karma) -> Chimney (again, can't be missed) -> Industrial -> Shaded (another Echo on a... what, three-room detour from Shoreline?) -> Shoreline (to meet Dot, which is already intended)

There's a lot of leeway and they're literally right on the path

[quasi stirrup]

really i think he'll get it on his own

[uncut prism]

^^^

[quasi stirrup]

and you can only have one first playthrough anyway

[vagrant lotus]

ok meeting dot is good

[quasi stirrup]

hinting too much takes away from that

[uncut prism]

You can... check the Thread lol

[vagrant lotus]

i think hell get the hint about the neuron by then

[uncut prism]

They're going to Subterranean rn to head to Shoreline to meet Dot

not sure how they know that route exists, but good for them ig

[quasi stirrup]

part of their first playthrough path

🥹

[uncut prism]

They have no echoes afaik, so that's a RIP

[vagrant lotus]

has ollie ever met dot with the mark

[uncut prism]

But yeah, they definitely want to meet Dot

No idea

[quasi stirrup]

if i remember correctly yes

[vagrant lotus]

i wonder how ollie would feel if they knew they had a mini fandom 🥹

[quasi stirrup]

🥹

like this was

something

[vagrant lotus]

i cried a bit

ih m gifd

[uncut prism]

Jfc HOW

[vagrant lotus]

NO INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX???

[uncut prism]

Well, okay

[vagrant lotus]

oh my god

this is actually tragic

[uncut prism]

I know someone who had a stranger route, but that's because he visited every region before meeting Moon, and before ever seeing Exterior

Well, also, he didn't go Subterranean ig

But eh

Dude went in circles lmao

[crude jetty]

Did not make it into Industrial on their first playthrough, no.
On their first survivor playthrough they went Farm Arrays, Sub, Shoreline.

[vagrant lotus]

this is kinda how i feel trying to nudge like any newbie into the right path

[uncut prism]

Tbf, this is mostly just server rules to avoid people spoiling others unnecessarily

[quasi stirrup]

yeah

[uncut prism]

If you introduce a new player to the game, feel free to do whatever in DMs with them

[quasi stirrup]

some people get really upset over any kinds of hints

[uncut prism]

I for sure didn't abide by the server rules for a couple of the players I've introduced

[quasi stirrup]

personally i got nudged too much my first playthrough to go a certain way or about the uses of certain items

wish i didn't 🥹

[uncut prism]

Still kept mum on some things, but not everything

[crude jetty]

Each player is a little different.

But it's generally better to take the most precaution to avoid spoilers.

[uncut prism]

I teach movement mechs, and if asked hint at stuff, but deliberately avoid pushing to do specific routes (push away from certain routes, ahem Drainage ahem, yes, not to do them) or spoil items and mechs

[crude jetty]

But it is true that some people handle the frustration and lack of clear direction or instructions better than others.

[uncut prism]

Mhm

[uncut prism]

^^^

[teal timber]

yeah the Mark is specifically coded to fade in over time for the Hunter and the Rivulet

(x is number of cycles since the start, y is opacity 0-1)

weird

I feel like that wasn't the case at some point...

[crude jetty]

So you might get a hint of it at around cycle 10.

[vagrant lotus]

okay they finally found out about echoes

[uncut prism]

Intruiging!

[crude jetty]

Ah.

Found their first red centipede.

[uncut prism]

Yeaaaap

They're not thaaat bad

Two spears (three+ is best) is enough to easily kill one

[crude jetty]

Well yes.

But for a first player that may have difficulties fighting a normal centipede.

Killing a giant armored one may look a liiiiittle intimidating.

[uncut prism]

Yeah they can't deal with Overgrowns

Overgrowns are kinda sad ngl

[tranquil mulch]

1.5.1 code

so, was always the case

[teal timber]

huh, OK then

[dark reef]

i cant read this

what progrqamming lang is this

[teal timber]

C#

[dark reef]

i cant read c#, but ok

[proven wasp]

I'll be forced to

[teal timber]

point is

if (you're the Hunter and you're in story mode)
{
  mark opacity = Pow(base: Inverse Linear Interpolation(from: 4, to: 14, value: cycle count), exponent: 3.5)
}

[teal timber]

which is this function

[proven wasp]

thanks

[proven wasp]

SO hunter is named "Red" in the code?

is monk named "Yellow"?

[cedar cedar]

oh my god actually

“oh thank god were at the part were its extremely obvious that these are their names like moon is literally calling pebbles by name”

“ok never mind i guess janky nicknames it is then”

[dark reef]

oh i see

[teal timber]

yeah

once Downpour released they started calling them by their actual names in the code

[proven wasp]

ohhhhhh

[proven wasp]

But was monk called "Yellow"?

[teal timber]

yeah

and Survivor was "White"

[proven wasp]

This game was really well coded

[teal timber]

(Or, well, they were after 1.5 )

[proven wasp]

Now watch me say that the code of this game sucks ass and is shit when i get into modding

[teal timber]

This game was coded by someone who was really clever but also had very little coding experience and it shows

it's fairly well-coded in a crazy sort of way

[proven wasp]

thank you

[verbal pelican]

where did you ping me

the ping vanished

🥹

[proven wasp]

someone ALSO pinged me in downpour spoilers before the ping vanished a few days ago

[teal timber]

... or it was. Until a bunch of Akupara interns got ahold of it and added all sorts of hacky fixes and questionable design choices

[proven wasp]

Lol, questionable design choices?
I'd like to know more

[teal timber]

(plus people trying to port various mods into the game, when, y'know, mods are inherently comprised of hacky fixes since they don't have full access to the source code)

[proven wasp]

quick question, is watcher just like downpour that it's a mod made dlc, or is it something more official?

[north mural]

It's a hybrid of sorts

[teal timber]

watcher is led by James, but they hired modders for coding and level design

[north mural]

It has the leadership of videocult including james primate

[teal timber]

it also yoinked assets from a few of the mods of the modders that got hired

so it's like

part mod, part official

[crude jetty]

Wouldn't it be tragic, if someone just barely made it to the depths on cycle 0 as Hunter, only to be absolutely bodied by the guardians at the last minute for not having Karma 10?

[proven wasp]

okieeee

[north mural]

Technically the development was mainly lead by andrew and his team actually, james
was the Creative Head

[teal timber]

(primarily, there's a few regions in the Watcher that are remixed versions of region mods on the Workshop)

[north mural]

So prolly made a lot of decisionmaking but was not very involved in the manual creation

[cedar cedar]

some seem almost 1-to-1 but i was looking at one of the maps on workshop and i dont think i recognised any of the rooms at all

[teal timber]

and Joar is listed in the credits as "creature consultant" and nothing else

[north mural]

Yeah joar's involvement was small as he's concentrated on airframe ultra

[uncut prism]

oh gods

[uncut prism]

It's happened to me and a friend, but we expected that to happen because we realised we didn't route for Echoes and just wanted to try to skip past the Guardians without knowing how

Rain Meadow

Well, not barely

We had like 3 Cycles left, not nearly enough time, and we knew it full well

As for not having max karma at the time but max karma capacity... The Karma Sign caps you off

[uncut prism]

Oi, spoilers

[crude jetty]

Though admittedly Pebbles' dialogue can be a little misleading.
He says "The mark I gave you should let you through", so it's to be expected that whoever bears the Mark of Communication is safe to pass the guardians, but that's not the case at all.

[teal timber]

shhh

no wait nevermind

I thought this was Ollie's thread

[cedar cedar]

its a bit weird anyway

[teal timber]

yeah it's a bit weird

in general the game names its lore elements confusingly

referring to two different things as "cycles"

[uncut prism]

?

[cedar cedar]

idk but cycles is game days, some kinda in-universe timekeeping thing which might be the same thing idk, its also the cycle of life of death

what else

dunno

[crude jetty]

"Birth and death are connected to each other like a ring, or some say a spiral. Some say a spiral that in turn forms a ring. Some ramble in agonizing longevity. But the basis is agreed upon: like sleep like death, you wake up again - whether you want to or not."

The cycle is not exactly a very tangible concept, as its nature was a topic of discussion and debate among the benefactors.

But I heard somewhere that there are different types of cycles. Short cycles, for day and night, and the larger overarching cycle of life and death.

[teal timber]

@uncut prism you probably also shouldn't mention upthrows and downthrows

(Though, you're partly right - upthrows are added by that setting. Downthrows are a vanilla feature, though.)

[uncut prism]

Guh

Mb

[uncut prism]

Oh, they were?

Didn't know

[cedar cedar]

probably fun to know even downthrows werent in the game originally, that was vanilla 1.5

although, were those boosted spears into diagonal corners in the game?

where theyd rebound

[teal timber]

... really? Was going up the Wall just not possible in 1.0

[cedar cedar]

huh wouldnt you still have plenty of other things like

heavy twohanded grapples

speaking of kinda cool remix toggles actually

kinda cute but no one uses it so…

and couldnt you do a big roll leap and get up the shaft with one spear anyway

[teal timber]

@uncut prism IIRC
the deer behaviour Remix setting makes them not react to spore puffs thrown when riding them, and also less likely to move when not commanded

so you have to use the wiggle mechanic

[cedar cedar]

a

[uncut prism]

Grapple Worm?

There's one right below the Chimney entrance

Grapple Worm also lets you skip the island if you do it right

[teal timber]

well yeah but it's well-hidden

[uncut prism]

I managed it somehow before

No it's not

It's literally right below

Just that not everyone checks

[teal timber]

the ones at the Wall <-> Underhang connection are MSC-exclusive

[uncut prism]

... oh

[cedar cedar]

i found the grapples on my first playthrough but i also thought they were scary and hostile so

i ignored them for a bit

[uncut prism]

skul

[uncut prism]

One of my friends thought the same lmao

[cedar cedar]

in my defense i got yoinked and hung from a ceiling

and then a bird came by 5 mins later

[teal timber]

same

except by "a bit" I mean I did the entire Leg/Underhang without them and only found out they were grappling hooks after I beat the game

... aaand the Underhang is one of my favorite areas

[cedar cedar]

is that no grapple underhang?

[teal timber]

true immersion

[cedar cedar]

i think i first saw exterior backwards, so from 5p and i was heading down to mc

but underhang at the time felt utterly impossible without grapple

[uncut prism]

insane

[uncut prism]

True

[cedar cedar]

but that was switch 1 performance i guess

and underhang is pretty horrible in particular on switch 1

[teal timber]

oh yeah the switch version is scuffed I hear

[cedar cedar]

they did something weird to the shelter machinery btb idk if you can see it on pc or no

[uncut prism]

Scuffed?

[cedar cedar]

its not powerful enough for it, it lags and crashes pretty easily

[uncut prism]

Ah

Ouch

[cedar cedar]

now the switch 2 can kinda compensate for it though i still defer to it unfortunately

[teal timber]

Mind you, you knowing the wiggle mechanic exists is predicated on a Remix tutorial. If you have Extra Tutorials off, or you miss the pop-up, Rain Deer are arguably worse with the setting on.

[cedar cedar]

ive kinda internalised rw as a portable game by now

[uncut prism]

O u c h

[cedar cedar]

also its not rly a wiggle its more like

a pretty fast mash?

[uncut prism]

Ngl I don't even do Rain Deer

[cedar cedar]

the best input is doing circles

[uncut prism]

I remember trying it for a bit and then giving up and finding alternate routes

[cedar cedar]

which isnt exactly a wiggle

[quasi stirrup]

it's very particular yeah

and even then the remix tutorial scared me my first playthrough

so i never tried "wiggling to startle this creature"

i thought the deer would get mad and throw me off

[cedar cedar]

watching a lets play only half-understand the deer wiggle mechanic and she goes “ugh this fucking loser”

“MOVE MOVE MOVE MOVE MOVE” (violently choking the deer spamming wiggle and the deer cant do anything because its stuck in wiggle startle)

“ugh finally it moves it takes so long”

[quasi stirrup]

that poor deer

🥹

[teal timber]

and the wiggling animation sux

not an actual wiggle

[cedar cedar]

also rip everyones dreams who thought escape grasps meant all grasps in general

[teal timber]

they should have made it so that once you get a wiggle started it temporarily disconnects your legs from the antlers so you can do the wiggle thing you can do on poles

[uncut prism]

Wiggle startle?

[cedar cedar]

like the deer is crying out and preparing to move

but its just repeating that over and over and cant go anywhere

[uncut prism]

O o f

[cedar cedar]

or a howl

idk what deers do

[uncut prism]

lol

[teal timber]

so let's see

cycle 4 at most

having trouble with the Subterranean -> Shoreline gate

I think Ollie's run ends soon

[sacred fox]

Any region with massive rooms with lots of terrain/enemies, and particles, switch doesn't handle well
Outer expanse is imo the primary offender because it's a whole lot of objects and creatures and the like, so switch can struggle there a lot too

Subterranean is also pretty stinky

It's been a while since I've done not-watcher so I don't remember what the other bad ones are -- the floor in metro maybe, and sky islands can sometimes struggle

[uncut prism]

Cycle 2 I think

[uncut prism]

Moon’s Superstructure ;;-;;

[sacred fox]

Lttm I've seen has lag spikes but not consistent lag

[uncut prism]

Ah

Fair

[sacred fox]

Same with fp

[uncut prism]

I meant Spearmaster version

[sacred fox]

And that's the laggy version

Subregion lttm isn't laggy

[uncut prism]

fair

It got me to crash a lot faster than other regions tho

(as in, play a few cycles and if I don’t quit out, memory leak or something causes it to crash)

[sacred fox]

The places I've experienced crashes are subterranean and exterior

If we do not count the 49 crashes in watcher

If you want watcher stuff you can ping me in watcher coordination or your thread lol but that'll have spoilers

Overall switch is just a strugglebug

[uncut prism]

o7

[grave token]

Strugglebug like... the pokemon move? 👀

[vagrant lotus]

wait till ollie finds out about red lizards

oh wait he did

[proven wasp]

Nice role emoji

[vagrant lotus]

spooky dookie

[sacred fox]

@north mural you can repost spoilers and alter titles now

[north mural]

Oh yeah l need to develop the muscle memory

[tranquil mulch]

.repost

[north mural]

[sacred fox]

I was gonna do it and then went "hey, you can do it now"

[north mural]

Thank you for reminding me too used to being helpless there

[cedar cedar]

rule 1 of first playthrough threads: hey guys so uhh please dont post spoilers in the title and opening post thats kinda it tbh ok thank you

every thread ever: original message was deleted

[north mural]

Don't mess with indie gamers, we can't read

[grave token]

The various Theory™ threads continue to survive

[quasi stirrup]

mine got blasted by accident meanwhile

[sacred fox]

My first one got blasted before the command existed, still got reposted manually though

[uncut prism]

LMAO

[grave stag]

it's happening again.... https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1467639050016915476

op missing the light

[desert relic]

yup

uh

im bad at indirect hints

[grave stag]

not like I ´can talk tho, I spend solid 1 hour and 20 mins looking for the light when I was there

[desert relic]

i spent maybe 30 mins or something i dont remember

[proven wasp]

This makes me wanna use the gold pearl

in vanilla spoilers

[uncut prism]

Similar

[uncut prism]

Gold pearl?

[teal timber]

@cedar cedar you can fairly easily just dodge the scavengers I think

[proven wasp]

eliminate my self destruction taboo

[uncut prism]

LOL

[teal timber]

but, more reliably, you can wait for them to flee due to the Rain and then walk through and take the shelter on the other side of the gate

[proven wasp]

this is such a horrible way to see the ending

[uncut prism]

Hm? Context?

[dark reef]

huh

[desert relic]

i mean honestly, theyre in a spoiler channel, of course theyll get spoilers

but still though

[teal timber]

I was discussing in Ollie's thread that I don't actually remember anyone doing Outskirts -> Farm Arrays -> Sky Islands

ever

and I think it has to do with the Farm Arrays scavenger toll being mostly impassable with Outskirts knowledge

[uncut prism]

Fair lol

[proven wasp]

this lizard is so tilted, just like me upon seeing those messages

[desert relic]

...and you meant something else because i kept staring at "outskirts" but still went with this

and my brain stopped working

and you meant something else

[teal timber]

(and, by extension, the players that have Farm Arrays as their second region probably cheated the toll in Outskirts)

[uncut prism]

They’re that meme of “Eldritch being beyond my comprehension? I don’t get it”

[desert relic]

me witnessing eldritch being byeond my comprehension (i dont get it)

[proven wasp]

rip

[cedar cedar]

did we even say anything spoilery 🤔

[teal timber]

no, though in your last message you mentioned the Hunter's Outskirts spawns

which is spoilery

[uncut prism]

https://youtube.com/shorts/g2H2DYj2nxc

[teal timber]

but .

[teal timber]

my point is

• you can dodge the scavengers in the Outskirts toll fairly easily, especially if the scavengers are distracted fighting something (which does happen a lot)
• you can sneak past the toll after the Rain comes and survive
• there is one (1) pearl in all of Outskirts (the unique one), and it's fairly well-hidden

so I think most players that reach Farm Arrays as their second region cheat the Outskirts toll, and therefore don't know how to pass the Farm Arrays toll, and therefore can't reach the Sky Islands gate

[cedar cedar]

i ddint think “hunter spawns are harder” would be considered a spoiler rn

[teal timber]

well they haven't been to Outskirts yet as the Hunter

so just to be safe

[verbal pelican]

hunter spawns are actually three green lizards and nothing else

in the entjre map

[teal timber]

@crude jetty #1456460010916675826 message

don't phrase it like that

that implies there aren't any more cycles available afterwards

[verbal pelican]

boom

[crude jetty]

Ah, sorry.

I meant it as in, two cycles left before cycle 0.

But yeah.

Lemme rephrase that.

[nimble nymph]

Is Ollie at the final Hunter stretch?

[teal timber]

Cycle 2 and totally failing the Subterranean -> Shoreline gate

so yeah

[nimble nymph]

So they still need to deliver the neuron?

[crude jetty]

I don't think they know what the neuron is for at this point.

They spawned in with no idea of where to go, lost a lot of time in SI, then doubled back into Farm Arrays and Sub. Tried ascending, but didn't have enough karma.

So now they're down to 2 cycles left and struggling to reach the eastern Sub gate.

And also losing their mind at the sight of red centipedes.

Boy their mind's gonna explode when they come across their first red lizard.

[cedar cedar]

wait are the spiders even greenlike

[teal timber]

they tossed it I think

they don't know what it is

[crude jetty]

Mother spiders are kinda green, but I think they're Downpour content.

[cedar cedar]

its pure vanilla rn

[crude jetty]

Maybe they got confused and they're just seeing wolf spiders.

[cedar cedar]

i’m just not sure how regular spiders are green you think its a color blindness thing?

or are they actually like a shade of fucked up green?

[teal timber]

I think they might be very slightly greenish

maybe it's their monitor IDK

[teal timber]

@mint idol

Don't say anything about what happens past cycle 0

They don't want any tips

(They're on Cycle 1 right now so they'll find out soon enough )

[mint idol]

oh they are quite close

[teal timber]

[teal timber]

(welcome to the secret helper shadow government by the way)

[verbal pelican]

ollie’s thread trying not to have spoilers for two hours

[mint idol]

lol thank you for welcoming me

[verbal pelican]

ping me if soilers in the future,,,

[teal timber]

this thread is primarily for coordinating advice with other helpers and stuff

without being restricted by the watchful eyes of the players

(and also for freaking out in secret when people guess the entire lore by accident)

[verbal pelican]

or if you like suspect there’s soilers incoming

ping me all you want this goes for everyone ever

[teal timber]

@verbal pelican @verbal pelican @verbal pelican @verbal pelican @verbal pelican @verbal pelican @verbal pelican @verbal pelican @verbal pelican @verbal pelican @verbal pelican @verbal pelican @verbal pelican @verbal pelican @verbal pelican @verbal pelican @verbal pelican @verbal pelican @verbal pelican @verbal pelican @verbal pelican @verbal pelican @verbal pelican @verbal pelican @verbal pelican @verbal pelican @verbal pelican @verbal pelican @verbal pelican @verbal pelican @verbal pelican @verbal pelican @verbal pelican @verbal pelican @verbal pelican @verbal pelican @verbal pelican @verbal pelican @verbal pelican @verbal pelican @verbal pelican @verbal pelican

[verbal pelican]

see you get it

[mint idol]

@verbal pelican

@verbal pelican @verbal pelican @verbal pelican

[verbal pelican]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1401051828132511908/1427451651446538310/26862.gif

[mint idol]

its happening to ollie

[teal timber]

Yes

[mint idol]

he figured it out

[teal timber]

[cedar cedar]

wait does the 30 second leeway still apply to cancer cycles

random trivia question

[verbal pelican]

i don’t think so?

it might actually

[teal timber]

I would assume so?

[verbal pelican]

idk

wait i think it does

does it

💥

#1456460010916675826 message ARE THEY JUST NOW SEEING KING VULTURES??? 🥹

[foggy quartz]

to quit out?

[cedar cedar]

yea

[teal timber]

I mean they went through Subterranean

[foggy quartz]

i think it doesnt but i can quickly test

[teal timber]

that's the non-vulture path

[cedar cedar]

uhh i think shoreline would be the first king vulture region right

[verbal pelican]

farm arrays has them

[teal timber]

I think they can- yeah

[cedar cedar]

sky islands has them but theyre restricted afaik

[verbal pelican]

that’s where i first saw them

[cedar cedar]

a

[teal timber]

but not frequently

[cedar cedar]

idk what makes vultures be frequent or no anyway

[verbal pelican]

oh wow… it would’ve been terrible if somene lying reacted that message

good thing that never happened

[cedar cedar]

it wasnt me btw i believed you

[verbal pelican]

i know i deleted it

🥹

[foggy quartz]

confirmed, it doesnt

theres no 30 second leeway, it just ends your game

[grave stag]

I. Mean hunter 0>cycles aren't saved what I remember

[foggy quartz]

to be exact it displays the post 30 second text even if 30 seconds havent passed

[cedar cedar]

wow so unfair

[mint idol]

i hope ollie does gourmand next and finds the hunter long legs

[cedar cedar]

depends on if however he died triggered the corpse mechanic

[mint idol]

oh fair

[cedar cedar]

i do have this feeling like hunter was a lot more of a graceful reusing of the map than downpour was

even if i didnt enjoy the one hunter playthrough i did that much

[teal timber]

this is true

[cedar cedar]

“what if we add a cycle limit + score” vs “what if you had a various assortment of superpowers ig”

[teal timber]

it's a really good way to add replayability

especially because of the score

[cedar cedar]

i really should try out another hunter run

[teal timber]

I have

never actually done a *normal* hunter run

[cedar cedar]

what counts as normal

[teal timber]

I don't like the carnivore playstyle

[teal timber]

well you see

the one successful run I did, I was too scared of permadeath

[cedar cedar]

btw i do wish i did a blind hunter playthrough but it feels pretty tedious

vs knowing everything i need to know ahead of time and just

[teal timber]

but:

[cedar cedar]

routing it

[teal timber]

fun fact you may not know

you gain karma on cycles in which you starve

if you die, you lose 1 karma for going back 2 cycles

[cedar cedar]

i call that karma stalling

[teal timber]

essentially meaning that, once you starve, you can't end up in a worse situation karma-wise than the last time you saved

sooooooooo I did a run of Hunter where I starved every. single. cycle

[cedar cedar]

but i found out about it like a few weeks ago i totally assumed itd lose 2 karmas

[teal timber]

I call it the Martyr tactic

[cedar cedar]

i cant believe joar did remove karma requirements pre-remix smh…..

goat fell off…….

[teal timber]

Basically this swaps the fear of permadeath for constant pain and suffering in the present. Not at all the normal Hunter experience, but it was really cool nonetheless

[cedar cedar]

i wanna know how many blind hunter playthroughs there are that do it legit thou

no oh yea people told me about echoes and routing and cycle limits

like ollie is missing crucial knowledge checks rn

barely aware what a neuron is afaik

[teal timber]

yeah

[cedar cedar]

or sufficient echo location knowledge

[teal timber]

they think the Mark makes you glow

and they only know of like 2 echoes

[cedar cedar]

but to go from that to actually clearing hunter objectives

[sour bear]

Yrue

[mint idol]

yrue

[proven wasp]

Yummie

[teal timber]

oh wait

I don't think Ollie knows about

Chimney Canopy <-> Industrial Complex

this'll be fun

[uncut prism]

It’s pretty normal actually

People who know about it do it a lot

[uncut prism]

Definitely not

xD

[teal timber]

oh you know what else they don't know about

the stomach slot

I think

so they don't know about the pearl

hopefully they'll find it when trying to take a spear off their back at some point

[dark reef]

is this route likely

[teal timber]

uh

Kinda doubt it?

but they don't know about some useful connections

(Industrial Complex <-> Chimeny Canopy, Underhang <-> The Wall)

[dark reef]

i feel like this is the hardest routes of all routes i know

[teal timber]

so it'll be tricky

[radiant night]

i dont think the routing is that bad

we'll see if they get the LF echo i suppose

[dark reef]

what IS the worst route??

[radiant night]

i mean any route could be the worst if you decided to go in circles or something, it really just depends on what you are comfortable with

My hunter route was lf-su-hi-cc-uw-ss-uw-cc-hi-su-ds-sb

iirc

[verbal pelican]

farm > sub > farm > sub > farm > sub > farm > sub > farm > sub > farm > sub 50 more times > guardian skip and ascend

[radiant night]

actually i may have gone back to lf instead of ds

wait/.. moon exists

it was: lf-su-hi-cc-uw-ss-uw-cc-hi-sh-sl-sb maybe

[sacred fox]

My hunter route is usually LF-SU-HI-CC-UW-SS-UW-CC-HI-SH-SL-SB lol, which now that I type it out is identical to mono's

And echo order is UW, (Five Pebbles), CC, and SH -- I do a lot of stuff and tend to finish a hunter run in like 7 cycles lol

Probably time to do a devotee run

[dark reef]

my planned one is to be LF-SI-CC-UW-SS-UW-CC-HI-SU-DS-SB

[sacred fox]

Ik a lot of people say SI is better but tbh my familiarity with SU and HI is just so high that I literally perform 10x better doing that route lol

[sacred fox]

No moon?

[dark reef]

uh yeah

i dont really want to waste my cycles...

idk, but i probably will change depending on how many cycles and difficulty

[sour bear]

i went LF-SI-CC-UW-SS-UW-CC-HI-SC-SL-SB

im pretty sure

[crude jetty]

I'm one of those people that first played Rain World as the Monk to ease myself into the game, then I had fun with Monk campaign and was like "I wonder what Hunter's gonna be like ".

[sour bear]

i had a pretty long first survivor game that eventually got really easy so i tried hunter first which led to my 300 death hunter game

i havent touched monk until after saint

[verbal pelican]

i liked killing stuff as monk so i wanted a murder campaign next and hunter’s ominous countdown thing caught me so i did it

iirc

[crude jetty]

I barely managed to make a beeline to Shoreline to deliver the neuron on my first Hunter playthrough. Died in Shoreline.

I failed the run, but at least I took solace in the fact that I delivered the package and saved Moon with my scarifice.

[sour bear]

on your FIRST hunter game

???

[crude jetty]

Yup.

I died like...

[sour bear]

was it blind

[verbal pelican]

you will wake right back up again

[crude jetty]

50 times trying to brute force my way through the scav tool in Outskirts because I didn't have a pearl anymore.

[sour bear]

meanwhile i just wait patiently at that toll so the vultures get to them

[crude jetty]

Mostly blind. A friend gave me some vague tips but that's it.

[sour bear]

dang thats insane tbh

[crude jetty]

At first I was ok to leave it like that.

Buuuut.

At one point, roaming the wiki curiously I accidentally stumbled across the HLL.

And I felt so bad I promised to do things right and ascend Hunter.

[verbal pelican]

speaking of that someone spoiled someone on hll in vanilla first playthroughs earlier

🥹

[sour bear]

hll doesnt eve nexist in vanilla

[crude jetty]

Dang.

Next time I tried Hunter I made a plan. I planned a path and a strategy to visit Pebbles, then Moon, then Ascend with the help of the echoes.

I went SI, CC, Exterior, down through Pebbles (snacking on a neuron on the way), Shaded, Shoreline, then from there straight to Sub.

I counted the shelters where I needed to rest and which ones I had to skip.

Then I proceeded to get my butt kicked in SI for 3 hours straight.

SI_C01 was the bane of my existence.

Long story short, took me a couple of attempts. Figured out rather early how to abuse the starvation mechanic to avoid losing too much karma to keep enough for the gates,and by the time I reached the end, I ascended with like 5 cycles to spare.

[gray musk]

my favorite path is:
LF-SI-CC-UW-SS-UW-SC-SL-SB

[sour bear]

my favourite (objectively best) route is LF-SB-LF-SB-LF-SB-LF-SB-LF-SB-LF-SB (guardian skip)

[crude jetty]

I never tried doing the guardian skip before, admittedly.

Maybe one day.

[sour bear]

nah i just thought of a better route

(LF-SB (looped 20 times))-guardian skip-return to filtration - (guardian skip again - return to filtration (looped 50 times)) - ascend

[gray musk]

Isn't guardian skip impossible with Hunter?

[north mural]

Is it? Why

[gray musk]

iirc it was specifically patched for hunter.

[tranquil mulch]

One method of it is, and that method hasn't been common for years.

The Hunter fix is making Guardians always see Hunter, which fixes only the original method that blinds Guardians.

[gray musk]

Oh. Isn't that one the fastest one though?

[cedar cedar]

god i need to see ollie’s hunter leg

those spider spawns are actually comical

[tranquil mulch]

Guardian Despawn (patched in 1.9) is the fastest one, and Rock Skip is still faster than blinding them even without it

Blinding Guardians can be faster than the typical any% of using a small creature to distract them, but you have to actually get the flashbang to use it

[crude jetty]

RIP poor innocent hazer that happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

But hey, I guess you could also technically do a Guardian skip if you come across a slugpup during a Hunter run.

Those guardians really don't like slugpups for some reason.

[hoary verge]

@crude jetty GEEZ has ur account seen the dinosaurs go extinct or smth

[crude jetty]

Hmm?

[hoary verge]

Sry, it's just ur discord acc is the oldest I've ever seen

[crude jetty]

Oh, it's just 10 years old.

[hoary verge]

Mine is 6 🙏

[crude jetty]

[hoary verge]

[north mural]

Don't try to make me think of 2016 as a long time ago

[silver musk]

Dam. Even older than mine

[hoary verge]

You too?

Wow

And I thought my acc was old

[crude jetty]

Damn I feel like a grandpa all of a sudden.

Now run along, you little whippersnappers.

[hoary verge]

Bro is spearmaster

[tranquil mulch]

wow the user ID begins with a 2

[hoary verge]

And we're like monk or smth lol

[crude jetty]

Because I only recently got into this server.

I finished Vanilla and Downpour before even coming here.

I'd probably be at least Survivor, maybe even Hunter, if I had documented everything here when I began.

[spare trail]

same as me

[spare trail]

never call 2020 old again

[proven wasp]

2020 would be already watching shorts on the ipad today

so it is quite old

@north mural I love how eggman hates saint just because of a video he watched, even if in the video itself saint is depicted as someone good, if not a bit scary for a wild animal

Eggman should still be made to play Saint

[spare trail]

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhush

[proven wasp]

Rain World: The Watcher v1.4 out then! From old

[crude jetty]

When was Rain World launched again? 2017?

[proven wasp]

It was launched the exact day Markiplier booted it up and played it for a episode, said he'd do more and then promptly fucked off

[crude jetty]

Darn.

[proven wasp]

ATLEAST hollow knight didn't get a single episode

even little nightmares got more stuff

markiplier is biased towards horror confirmed

even his new movie is horror

i gotta watch his new movie

after playing the game

[crude jetty]

Go through Shaded Citadel without a lantern on your first playthrough and tell me Rain World is not a horror game.

[proven wasp]

Withoud a lantern just seems more rage enducing than actually scary tbh

I went through my first time with swarmer glow and it was certainly very terrifying

But i quickly reaized the coalescipedes were vulnerable to spears

[cedar cedar]

i think it depends on if you go upper citadel or lower

i went lower and i thought the overwhelming vibe was "you do not have the key item to get through here"

[proven wasp]

Btw

Starting today all references to this are to be called "Swarmers" not neurons pls

it's what they are called in the code pls

[crude jetty]

Swarmer flies.

[sour bear]

They are called neuroma in the game

[proven wasp]

YES

[proven wasp]

WHAT? WHERE? NOOOOO

[sour bear]

Moon says it

[proven wasp]

oh my gosh

[proven wasp]

Are you j?

[verbal pelican]

i know flr sure 100% five pebbles says it during rivulet

[sour bear]

If:

• moon is not refusing to speak to slugcat
• moon has already lost 1 neuron
• first neuron received

I'll never feel the power I once had, but this is something to sustain an old soul.

I could read a bit of Five Pebbles in this neuron before formatting it. A ghost left from his processing routines.

Erratic... Pulse. "Erratic Pulse." I wonder what that means.```

[proven wasp]

I would appreciate if you would not eat those. My umbilical will keep me conscious, but every neuron lost is a piece of me lost as well...

Oh my

so it really is neurons...

oh

[crude jetty]

Yep.

She does not like it when wild slugcats eat her brain.

[proven wasp]

WHY IS IT CALLED SWARMERS IN THE CODE

[crude jetty]

[verbal pelican]

why is industrial’s abbreviation hi in the code

[sour bear]

There's even one dialog that's just
A neuron.

[grave stag]

Heavy Indrustial

= HI

[verbal pelican]

i was sayung it like in response to the orher question

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1189450942165307443/1189450942400184320/15094956.gif

[proven wasp]

Anywyas

i'll go consult my local Oracle™ to understand how to process all this info

[sour bear]

You are bringing a neuron. Is it to taunt me?

[crude jetty]

Internal names are not the same as official final names, for places, concepts and even characters in some cases.

[grave stag]

2020 is old tho? it was quite long time ago
oh god I am starting to get old >_<

[sour bear]

🔥

[proven wasp]

And DON'T go telling me oracles have a different name in canon

[sour bear]

oracles have a different name in canon

[proven wasp]

You are J

[sour bear]

I'm tankium

[crude jetty]

Names, concepts and ideas change overtime to better fit a narrative. However, going through every one of possibly thousands of lines of code to change the internal names and references of said term is a lot of work, and if you miss one or two it can potentially break the game.

As a rule of thumb: "if it ain't broken, don't touch it".

[grave stag]

and mass edit toll can break so much stuff

[proven wasp]

rip

[grave stag]

reminds me of time when I needed to do some renaming in legacy project from 2009 or something, and there just was too many variable names >_<

[desert relic]

a neuron.

[sour bear]

A neuron.

[proven wasp]

A neuron.

[grave stag]

A NEURON?

[proven wasp]

Yes
A neuron.

[crude jetty]

So it's not that strange for certain terms to have an internal name or identifier that is different from the final official name it is given. Most of the internal names were WIP placeholder names, or ideas that were later changed.

One [1] neuron.

[proven wasp]

If Wandering Omen (WO) wasn't already named i'd name the O "Oracle"

[desert relic]

one [3] neuron.

[proven wasp]

Like, Wisest Oracle or something

[sour bear]

This dialog happens when slugcat delivers a neuron with bad lttm reputation

[spare trail]

neuroma

[proven wasp]

I brought her a neuron on my first survivor game when i fucked up by nomming 2 of her neurons earlier and she just said the default dialogue for when survivor arrives, no references to neuron :<

Does this require slugcat to visit first, and then revisit again with the neuron?

[cedar cedar]

i imagine it always plays the meets slugcat with mark dialogue

[sour bear]

Think so

[proven wasp]

neuroma

[cedar cedar]

but also you couldve probably let her finish that dialogue and then give the neuron

[proven wasp]

i didn't know about that dialogue tho xD

[cedar cedar]

she has a couple anyway

you can give like 3 neurons or something i think

[proven wasp]

But the room just before the toll on the farm arrays side has TWO white pearls!

And from the outskirts side there is the light blue pearl nearby

ripppppp

[crude jetty]

To be honest, when I tried to do it, I get the feeling that the toll room was a little different.

I think I remember the toll pole being considerably closer to the pipe on the left side of the room.

Has that room been changed at some point in an update?

[proven wasp]

Oh yeah they moved the toll a bit to the right with downpour enabeld, but the room just before the toll has the two white pearls on both vanilla and downpour

[crude jetty]

I don't remember seeing pearls in that room during my Hunter campaign.

Maybe I either was not observant enough, or they were added in afterwards.

I do remember fighting fiercely against scavengers in that room plenty though.

And dying a lot.

[grave stag]

I think there were hunter porls there but then again my initial playthrough of hunter was a mess

I did not know about starvation so I just used back ups to preserve karma >_<

[proven wasp]

Oh the @uncut prism way i see

[crude jetty]

Huh.

Brings in a Guardian into Moon's can with the bat spear glitch

Moon, I brought a fren. :)

[proven wasp]

lol

[grave stag]

I only managed to revive moon but nothing else on that hunter run :p

[grave stag]

can you even do this with any other scug other than spear?

[sour bear]

Probably

[crude jetty]

I mean, the bat spear glitch is a vanilla exploit.

So you can do it with anyone that can throw a spear.

[grave stag]

I am mostly wondering if you can get out from there in time before rain comes and you are locked at depths

[proven wasp]

I don't even know how batspear works or why there is this one first playthrougher insisting on doing a batspear on the precipice with a dead red lizard but hey it seems funny

[crude jetty]

Well, you might be able to do a crawl turn wall climb to slide up the wall of the deep well that leads to the depths quickly if you need to. Maybe a speedrunner could pull it off.

[proven wasp]

There is a alternate timeline where Markiplier does pacifist undertale first try, and when he tried Rain World he actually does more episodes, eats a moon neuron and is screamed at by the fandom and then drops the game xD

and then a few years later plays survivor coop with wade and co. later while not actually taking the game seriously

[crude jetty]

Hmmm.

Hypothetically.

[proven wasp]

(this is exactly what happened with undertale btw)

[crude jetty]

What would happen if you try to batspear a monster kelp?

[proven wasp]

I have no idea

lol

[dark reef]

i wonder if anyone has done that

[grave stag]

I wonder that too

[cedar cedar]

the scavengers are pretty likely to steal the pearls too

[sour bear]

Ask randi moth

[quasi stirrup]

probably same thing that happens when you get grabbed by a pole plant and then go through a pipe id think

[quasi stirrup]

@tranquil mulch boo

[quasi stirrup]

the actual answer if you're curious: a rain world server challenge requires you to do a gate warp, which you can find some information about here: #tech-resources message
||it allows you to get to other versions of regions as slugcats that would normally be inaccessible, like getting to Shoreline as Spearmaster in this case||

[proven wasp]

Oh, she ain't even doing expedition btw why bother SO MUCH with killing a aquapede

what do you get out of htis

[sacred fox]

Fun

[proven wasp]

I understand now

[sacred fox]

Same reason why I just will randomly kill a vulture that dive-bombs me

It's in my power to just ignore it

But I don't

[proven wasp]

it deserved it

[quasi stirrup]

spearmaster ranger i guess

that's some dedication

[north mural]

Vultures are called krakens

[proven wasp]

THAT'S SO COOOL

[crude jetty]

Release the kraken.

[proven wasp]

Kraken Air Support in route!

[verbal cedar]

I was searching for mentions of "gate warp" in the server to figure out how to do it and found this, that's me lol, as for the why question... ummm idrk tbh I just randomnly decided at one point in my spearmaster playthrough that I wanted to kill every creature possible, which led to me discovering that I can gate warp into shoreline to kill an extra aquapede, I could also go into submerged to kill a giant jellyfish but that would require using a passage, and I've decided before even playing spearmaster that I wouldn't be using passages for my main playthroughs.

[proven wasp]

that is so fire tbh!

all power to you

[uncut prism]

Frfr

[teal timber]

@pallid reef also I don't think Ollie knows what the karma symbols mean so don't hint at their meanings

[proven wasp]

Not CJ from Gta San Andreas

[teal timber]

(in any case: that particular one is precisely the reason we don't have them anymore)

[pallid reef]

oh what???

oh god

it was just meant to be wordplay why do people gotta be like this

this is why we cant have nice things

@quasi stirrup i suppose i should clarify that i meant as an expletive though that was probably obvious

[quasi stirrup]

still it hints towards the other meaning so

best not to be discussed here anyway

[teal timber]

The more important point here though is be careful to not mention such lore details in front of players who aren't aware of them

[pallid reef]

[teal timber]

@pallid reef related note: don't use the term "bll"

they've been calling the Rot "the Mass" and still don't really know what it is

subtle details

[pallid reef]

ohhhhh

ok

👍

they dont know what it means or that its technically a spoiler so i honestly think leaving it makes more sense than editing or deleting it but ill do what you want

either way wont say again

[grave token]

By the way, you aren't in any trouble This is just a place for the people that first playthrough help to congregate and make side comments about playthroughs without the OP seeing

[teal timber]

nah it's not a big deal

just stuff to keep in mind

[pallid reef]

[grave token]

If you haven't already, I'd recommend taking a read through the pins in this thread

[teal timber]

(the "long legs" set of names isn't really a spoiler anyways since no lore or behaviour information can be derived from that - it'd be more concerning if you had name-dropped the Rot as such for example)

[grave token]

Also, I take it as Ollie's thread is the new Cas threads?

[verbal pelican]

yeah about the same except they get spoiled at least twice per day

[grave token]

Dang

I'll try to keep up on it now though

Seems interesting to watch

[teal timber]

Really? I feel like we've mostly been doing a good job...

Arena mode spoiled way more than we ever did

[teal timber]

so their Survivor route started with Outskirts -> Farm Arrays -> Subterranean -> Shoreline and that should tell you all you need to know

[grave token]

That's an... interesting route

[uncut prism]

???

[verbal pelican]

hard to do a good job when you have a solid half a second to react and delete the message before it’s too late

🥹

[teal timber]

now they're practicing for their second Hunter run and I'm pretty sure they don't know about the stomach storage slot mechanic

They're pretty good at the game otherwise, though

[uncut prism]

LMAO

[pallid reef]

wait how has ollie been spoiled? like real spoilers that matter?

[verbal pelican]

i’m counting minor spoilers for the spoilometer

[teal timber]

not really

[verbal pelican]

yesterday they got spoiled on hunter cycle 0 not being instant death

and something else

[pallid reef]

hmm

[teal timber]

in general we were a little too ominous about the countdown

IIRC someone asked them what cycle they were on at some point and that made them notice way faster

oh and they know red lizards exist but haven't seen one (mainly because someone thought they were talking about a red lizard when they were in fact talking about a red spider)

[pallid reef]

oh lol

[uncut prism]

oui

[verbal pelican]

throwback to the one time someone saw a particularly red pink lizard in industrial and called it a red lizard and got spoiled because of it

[teal timber]

otherwise FYI they call the creature in Looks to the Moon Dot and the creature in Five Pebbles either Cloak or Pearl

[pallid reef]

before my first playthrough my friend had mentioned red lizards, next thing you know in a voice call im in outskirts looking at a particularly red pink lizard and im like IS THAT A RED LIZARD

[teal timber]

[verbal pelican]

i wonder what would happen if a first playthrougher met sir snooflepants

[teal timber]

that's a common new-helper trap I think

[teal timber]

Remember everyone: pink and blue lizards can come in shades of red and cyan if you're lucky-

[teal timber]

THAT'S A PINK? WHA-

[verbal pelican]

sir snooflepants

i lpve him

[fierce wyvern]

thats more red than an actual red lizard

[teal timber]

THAT'S NOT EVEN A COINCIDENCE AT THAT POINT
THAT'S MIMICRY

[verbal pelican]

i think sir snooflepants should have been a guaranteed spawn in some region

it would have made the game significantly better

[teal timber]

modded region idea

[pallid reef]

who the heck is sir snooflepants

[verbal pelican]

scroll up

[pallid reef]

oh this guy

lol

[teal timber]

we will always remember the cone lizard

[verbal pelican]

spikly

[teal timber]

I would say it's gourmand-proof

[verbal pelican]

counterargument

[teal timber]

but IIRC it predates Downpour

[fierce wyvern]

if we have red lizards, spiders, vultures, and centipedes, why not a red leviathan

[verbal pelican]

even bigger leviathan 💔

leviathans can come in red

[teal timber]

How do you plan on making them worse

[fierce wyvern]

somehow

[verbal pelican]

jumps out of water

[dark reef]

wait theres red vultures?

[uncut prism]

We love the scarily red pinks

[teal timber]

we're counting harpoon vultures as red vultures

[verbal pelican]

red vulture 🥹

red lttm

[uncut prism]

This is a Pink?????????

[fierce wyvern]

miros vultures

[dark reef]

what are harpoon vultures again?

[verbal pelican]

vultures witu harpoons

(king vultures)

[uncut prism]

WTF

LMFAOOO

[uncut prism]

Nah, they're still yellow on the kill feed

Miros Vultures are Red

Insane

[teal timber]

you'll never guess

vultures
but with harpoons

[dark reef]

oh its that

i didnt understand what harpoon met

[teal timber]

ah

[dark reef]

i got scared by those

[granite robin]

looks bloody beautiful

[gray musk]

Red vultures you say... imagine something worse than a King Vultures...
(me, once, brainstorming a mod idea)

[crude jetty]

"God Long Legs" isn't that what Pebbles would ultimately turn into if his rot infestation were to continue unchecked until he was consumed by it completely?

Just a giant rot cyst the size of an iterator can.

With tentacles the size of The Leg.

[uncut prism]

It did continue unchecked

And we see the result of that in Rivulet

… and then it collapses in Saint lol

[crude jetty]

I mean if it continued unchecked beyond Rivulet.
Rivulet removed Pebbles' batteries, which (I think?) the rot was using the energy of, causing abnormal activities in Pebbles' structure. That's why rain cycles were so short in Rivulet.

Kinda wonder what would happen with Pebbles and the Rot if the cell hadn't been extracted.

But I'm guessing by removing that source of almost unlimited power, the rot's growth became more limited.

[uncut prism]

eh…?

I… don’t think so…?

Maybe

But

[crude jetty]

Maybe I'm just mistaken. I'd have to double check some stuff, it's been forever since I delved into the lore part.

But I think removing the rarefaction cell has, at least in some manner, affected the growth of the rot beyond that point.

Maybe I should just dip into the lore channel to get beat down a bit and get it straight.

[uncut prism]

What I read from it is

• The Rarefaction Cell is one of the power generators for Iterators
• Pebbles was using it to supply energy in order to try to flush out the Rot from his system, which caused much quicker Rain cycles
• The Rot was created by Pebbles when he screwed up attempting to alter his genomes in order to enable himself to bypass the self-destruction taboo
• This might indicate the Rot is meant to try to “replicate” by infecting the rest of him, in order to replace the self-destruction taboo genomes

[hoary verge]

Helo

[uncut prism]

It is notable that the Rot dies very quickly outside his superstructure, as seen with Garbage Wastes having some Rot from his flushing it out, but it’s fairly weak (BLLs versus DLLs and MLLs), and it doesn’t spread much outside

Hi!

[hoary verge]

Oooo we talking about the rot ?

[hoary verge]

Yooo hru
?

[uncut prism]

Pretty decent

You?

[hoary verge]

Great tbh

[uncut prism]

Noice!

[proven wasp]

Oldcat...

[hoary verge]

Aaaa

Mb

[proven wasp]

BRING THAT BACK

[hoary verge]

K

[proven wasp]

That is a official order

[hoary verge]

I'm afraid it's gone

[proven wasp]

Liar!

[proven wasp]

Ribubublet

[hoary verge]

Yeah?

.

[proven wasp]

a

[hoary verge]

?ploo

[north mural]

Was the gif block in threads undone at some point?

[verbal pelican]

the tenor one was i think

[north mural]

Well not like there was another

That's pretty weird

[proven wasp]

Why bother with blocking it in first playthrough threads tho?

[north mural]

Was part of the spoilers barrier. Very easy to post spoilery gifs. Also very easy to post generally inappropriate gifs

[grave token]

I think that the tenor block just imploded or smth last I knew of

[quasi stirrup]

it's still active in some channels

[cedar cedar]

ok to be fair "survivor" is one of the most easily discoverable symbols in the game

its one of the 5 symbols that the game explicitly names

[uncut prism]

Debatable?

[cedar cedar]

i guess

[uncut prism]

Yes, the Passage is named that

But the only Karma “Sin” that’s specifically named is Gluttony, the 4th Sin, iirc

One of the Pearls

But yeah, I shouldn’t have said it there anyway

Even if it’s fanon

[cedar cedar]

survival is also a sin isnt it

its like, an overall culmination of all the below

but idk very good im not good at loreheading actually

[uncut prism]

It’s not explicitly stated as one, though you can extrapolate it to be yeap

Dw lol

Just need to keep a clear separation between what is fact (explicitly mentioned in the game) and what is opinion (extrapolated or theorists based on what is in the game), I think

I don’t really think Survivor is necessarily the name of the Karma Sin, because multiple other Passages exist that use characters from Karma, but aren’t representative

Whether it’s implied to be it? Highly likely tho

[cedar cedar]

which ones are you thinking off?

[uncut prism]

Lemme check rq

[cedar cedar]

rw often has combo characters where it mashes up a couple

[uncut prism]

Chieftain is a combination of Companionship and… … Survival, maybe? It looks more like the Chinese character 不 at the bottom though, which means “No”

Hunter is Gluttony + Violence

Oh, the Monk might be a good one

The Circle is a Karma Symbol, just not one of the main 5

7th iirc?

[cedar cedar]

the monk is a funny one, its like a karma symbol but only for like 5 seconds until you get literally any other echo than one

[uncut prism]

But it seems like it would bear no relationship with Monk-hood

Frfr

[cedar cedar]

and never if you get the pebbles karma

[uncut prism]

Yeap

…

… huh

Saint

Isn’t Saint “Monk” between Survivor

[cedar cedar]

survivor: yea i'm like a pretty big deal i got like the highest karma lol yea i'm pretty cool
monk:

[uncut prism]

Frfr

[cedar cedar]

huh?

[uncut prism]

https://static.wikitide.net/rainworldwiki/1/12/The_Saint_icon.png

Saint symbol

That’s a Circle (Monk) squished into the Survivor symbol

I just realised

That’s… interesting

[cedar cedar]

i didnt think it like that

[uncut prism]

Especially with the Saint Campaign

[uncut prism]

No idea honestly, could easily be something else

Just interesting to notice

Ah well

Not sure I can find other points to support my claims

And I reaaaally should sleep lol

Goodnight!

[cedar cedar]

oops

[dark reef]

for Y karma is ⅄ or 人 better

[tranquil mulch]

circle's filter blocks in channels by default and needs a whitelist
further, while it does allow whitelisting the channel category, that doesn't actually work with threads, so threads require whitelisting the channel itself

the gif block was always intended to be lifted in first playthrough as the category was whitelisted, but only recently was it actually lifted by whitelisting the forum channels themselves

[proven wasp]

Thanks y'all

[tranquil mulch]

"recently" is 5th of december, two months ago

[radiant night]

Tenor is not gonna be used by discord anymore soon

[tranquil mulch]

the tenor block currently extends to both giphy and klipy

[sour bear]

soon to be named the giphy block

my preference will be whichever site has the most rain world gifs

[north mural]

Never imagined 🥹

Gourm firstplayer creating a singularity bomb within early minutes of doing craft experimentation

[silver musk]

Impressive

[crude jetty]

Sounds like a very specific first crafting experimentation.

You need to craft two grenades and add a karma flower to the mix.

And karma flowers tend to be rare and quite valuable.

They're either the luckiest gourmand alive, or they had an idea of what to mix.

[sacred fox]

It'd make sense, scavenger treasury nearby with bombs probably, and the room they're in is a karma flower room

[proven wasp]

There should be medals that first playthrough helpers give to first playthroers who discover something awesome and unique in a run

a Felp medal emoji

[uncut prism]

Former? Latter means Person

[hoary verge]

Yeah

Like the gourmand fella

Who crafted a nuke

[uncut prism]

Should be #1472999883668455689

[cedar cedar]

the toyota karma?

no its a mercedes

[uncut prism]

LMAO

[crude jetty]

#1456460010916675826 message

"They have guns now."
-Literally everyone in their first Hunter campaign.

Well, in Ollie's case the second or third.

Surprising they didn't come across king vultures in their previous attempt.

[cedar cedar]

i dont think he spent much time in farm arrays before did he

sky islands vanilla, afaik kings are restricted to only some rooms?

and then he was just in subterranean for half of it

oh yea i think technically ollie didnt know about stomach slot but he doesnt seem too upset about it at least

[crude jetty]

Oh.

I thought he did, but might have been my mistake there.

I probably should just keep my mouth shut more often.

[sour bear]

I remember calling those gun vultures

[cedar cedar]

i knew it was king vultures but when i tried to have a nickname i couldnt decide exactly

harpoon vultures, hookshot vultures, etc

king vulture is a lot easier to say

also real proof its not an x (contrast boosted and stuff)

airplane

hunter was a pilot

airplane cutie mark idk

[uncut prism]

LMAOOOO

[radiant night]

It’s not a mass even
It’s just Hunter’s hind leg

[cedar cedar]

tbh it is a somewhat awkward drawing

hunter looks way smaller than surv btw dont they

maybe no

[cedar cedar]

btw scavs have like super special npc shortcuts dont they