Old FP Guide Coordination [Archived]

[soft creek]

it goes both ways @sour bear @sour bear @sour bear @sour bear @sour bear @sour bear @sour bear @sour bear

[sour bear]

Oh oops ok I will

[north mural]

#1460914871284662433 message

Did a ticket as was suggested, l can't really stand idly on repeated unprovoked passive-aggressiveness

Let alone being accused of doing it myself?

[modern harness]

I just woke up but Im not liking what Im reading very much

I still got school lectures to go to so Ill catch up in a bit

[verbal pelican]

they added the i need help tag so like. idk why they’re getting offended about being helped

[lyric moss]

Yeah
Especially since it looks like they're expecting the game to just explain everything any moment now, even though that's not the kind of game it is, so like, help and advice is literally the next best thing they could want

[north mural]

I don't even care if the game makes them rage, it's a rage inducing game 🥹

But why attack felpers trying to spitball assistance with "can you read?" and getting defensive when l call out on their unnecessary temper saying I'm childish or building a strawman..??

[verbal pelican]

if you can’t handle being helped don’t add the i need help tag 💔

[north mural]

Fr

[silver musk]

[radiant night]

We are handling it
If it makes it less stressful for you you could leave them be without responding / mute their post

You shouldn’t have to feel stressed or uncomfortable when you’re felping

[prime kernel]

Its worth reminding that if you're having a problem in the server that tickets (which you did send we are looking into it) are the preferred alternative to bringing the issues up in the server

[north mural]

I do feel they're more practical than courier dm

[prime kernel]

🫶

[prime kernel]

Try not to be talking negative about people aswell tho, I do see comments like this starting to float around

they were being passive aggressive yes but thats no reason to pile onto them in a different channel

[north mural]

I do appreciate the concern I'm not bothered or stressed by continuing to cater to questions a mean person posts, it's a little bit like working retail and the whole Customer Is Always Right philosophy, you maintain composure and warmth with clients regardless of their attitude, is part of the etiquette

[radiant night]

That’s why I love them
You don’t have to switch between channels to get info or anything, and if you want you can ask for a response back

[north mural]

Opening a dm with staff is also a little anxiety inducing for some people even if the account is just a mail bot or something

Yk those sneaky snide techniques that platforms use for things like submitting reports or disabling ads? Where it redirects you multiple times to new menus or says it'll assign an employee to open a chat with you and stuff? And it's a ploy to make you get overwhelmed or discouraged along the way and decide to forget abt the report? devious stuff. Similar psychology at play here

_ _
Basically the more user-friendly and noncommital, the more people will be comfortable to contact or speak up abt queries

[radiant night]

When you dm couri directly it basically works as a group chat with us, aside from the opening response, none of it is automated

[modern harness]

The customer is always right. In terms of taste

[north mural]

Just sometimes the customer orders banana pizza though

[modern harness]

[tranquil mulch]

haven't ever eaten pizza, what is the issue with banana pizza

[north mural]

Cursed combo of cold and fruity with hot and cheesy-meaty

[tranquil mulch]

ah yeah that makes sense

[north mural]

It has its fans I'm sure

[lyric moss]

It's a good combo, proof: I'm good friends with someone named Banan

[radiant night]

Pineapple pizza

With ham

🤤

You should also have chili with a cinnamon roll

Sweet and salty yum yum

[north mural]

123456789 banan pizzas

[tranquil mulch]

still can't think of details as someone who has never eaten cheese nor meat but the description does make sense

[radiant night]

Think of taking your fried hashbrowns and eating it with banana on top

Maybe it’s okay but it’s definitely not the ideal topping

I’m a mega banana HATER
The texture sucks it’s like eating dough

[tranquil mulch]

had to look up what's a hashbrown, seems interesting

[sour bear]

I must confess: idk how to ticket

[radiant night]

I am calling the disks of potato + carrot you made a hashbrown

[radiant night]

You are now banned and must dm irri for appeal

[atomic locust]

optimal

[sour bear]

[atomic locust]

if you know how to couri you dont need the command

we should add another identical command called /report

[tranquil mulch]

it's not a hashbrown because it's just completely different :monknerd:
(potatoes weren't boiled and there was a baking mix added)

[radiant night]

If you live in the USA and are very lazy (me) you actually buy them frozen at the store and put them in the air fryer ✍️

And I had no idea how to make them genuinely

[tranquil mulch]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draniki helpfully redirects to an equivalent dish in English-speaking countries

[radiant night]

Ew!! Why did they put apple sauce on it

[tranquil mulch]

interesting I never tried a sweet condiment for it

[radiant night]

We love sweets

[north mural]

/explodetankium

[radiant night]

I would rather try it with butter + cinnamon and sugar

Apple sauce is a weird thing to use as a condiment

[sour bear]

I love how this targets me specifically

[spare flax]

food preparation guide coordination mmm

[foggy quartz]

/explodetankium

[sour bear]

[atomic locust]

how many unwatcher'd fpelpers (with the role) are left

<@&1137895527271379055> pinging because I'm curious

that role color is so ugly, it's quite unfortunate

it's in the vomit spectrum for sure

?roleinfo first playthrough helpers

[gray ruin]

First Playthrough Helpers

Basic Information

Color: Tacha (#D6D46A)
Position: #81 of #227
Members: 15
Created: <t:1691365834>

Role Configuration

Mentionable: Yes
Hoisted: No
Managed: No

Role Permissions

Role Type: Non-Administrator Role
Key Permissions: None

ID: 1137895527271379055 · Jan 14, 2026, 6:03 PM

[atomic locust]

Tacha

[radiant night]

i havent completed the campaign

idc about spoilers but i cannot help very well

[grave stag]

I haven't completed 1.5, and I avoid spoilers

[vocal token]

i still havent done a lot in 1.5 and i still try kinda to remain unspoiled

[silver musk]

I'm kinda used to it 👉 👈 looks golden and sparkly without getting in your eyes

[atomic locust]

baby vomit

[desert relic]

was it different before i dont remember

it feels out of place for me now

very off to me now

[atomic locust]

I feel like it was more golden in the past

I have made a very slight alteration

(a color can only be pure Yellow is the first two chunks of two numbers are even, so I just changed the second one to match the first)

;color d6d46a

[frigid igloo]

Hex

#d6d46a

RGB

214, 212, 106

[atomic locust]

;color d6d66a

[frigid igloo]

Hex

#d6d66a

RGB

214, 214, 106

[atomic locust]

improvement

[radiant night]

:(

[desert relic]

yeah iirc so
i kinda liked that way

now its just too odd

[atomic locust]

the icon wasnt green so why would the color be green 😔 ‼️

the icon leans more orange if anything

[desert relic]

misread leans as means

[atomic locust]

the leaning of my message would be similar either way

[radiant night]

You’re green

[atomic locust]

erm nuh uh

[desert relic]

[verbal wind]

I'm in the category of haven't played the campaign myself, but have watched playthroughs of it. Though because I haven't played it myself, I don't have everything necessary memorized, especially the new update stuff

[sacred fox]

Me I'm taking my time because I never got to do that for any other campaign (plus life is super busy so the time I take still isn't a lot)

[verbal wind]

This is probably a chance for me to take the time to properly research what a full playthrough of it needs

[sacred fox]

I've beaten watcher 1.0 so I'm still pretty familiar and can be of assistance 75% of the time

[modern harness]

Ruffles also hasnt played much Watcher at all since console

[quasi stirrup]

i've finished it but i wouldn't consider myself finished with watcher content just yet

[modern harness]

So at least like
7/15 role holders arent done with Watcher

[atomic locust]

16 role holders

but yeah damn that's a lot

[gray musk]

I didn't have a chance to finish the campaign, but don't mind spoilers.

[tranquil mulch]

at one point it was darkened for Light Mode Accessibility

[atomic locust]

and Greened...

well, dark yellow just naturally looks kinda green

you gotta add a bit of orange to counterbalance 🤌

;color d6d66a

[frigid igloo]

Hex

#d6d66a

RGB

214, 214, 106

[atomic locust]

;color ddd66a

[frigid igloo]

Hex

#ddd66a

RGB

221, 214, 106

[atomic locust]

I like that

[desert relic]

yeah now that looks better i think

[grave token]

Haven't completed campaign, and I care about getting spoiled

[dusty jetty]

yellow

[dusty jetty]

I'll pretend I still have the role: I'm not fully done with the campaign yet

I'll probably get the role back once I do though

[verbal pelican]

fair sorry,,,

[north mural]

There's only 16 roled felpers in the server??

[tranquil mulch]

circle is notoriously bad at providing an accurate member count estimate on ?roleinfo

I assume it's a Discord API limitation with the server size, but basically assume it's always underestimating

for example

?roleinfo downpour

[gray ruin]

3 roles found. Showing closest matches first.

Downpour

Basic Information

Color: Hit Gray (#97A6AE)
Position: #17 of #227
Members: 10,898
Created: <t:1693429707>

Role Configuration

Mentionable: No
Hoisted: No
Managed: No

Role Permissions

Role Type: Non-Administrator Role
Key Permissions: None

ID: 1146552036939276438 · Jan 14, 2026, 10:09 PM

[tranquil mulch]

in fact,

[fresh atlas]

has circle been eating the roles

[north mural]

Yeah common misconception that's actually the role for downpour the region

And those 3 folks are its devs

[modern harness]

Ah yes Downpour my favorite region

[north mural]

Ohh, the person that was giving issues is gone?

Wonder if they were judged to receive a ban/kick or if they were disgruntled and left

This is not an invitation to parade or jeer on it ofc . Will still take the opportunity to thank the staff involved for handling it

Also only saw their Bug Support thread just now, and how the behaviour persisted there Talking back to mono, a server staff, yeah that's totally a great way to help your case out

[modern harness]

They asked for help and we tried to help, not much else we can do

[north mural]

like yeah, why not go look up things on wiki if the people forum heavily displeases you

[atomic locust]

(that number is pulled directly from the role list)

[tranquil mulch]

would disencourage speculation of this sort publicly
besides you can just Courier

[tranquil mulch]

(not the Kalum message that turned me into a snail, but the "was this person banned")

[north mural]

Oh yeah that was just rhetorical, l didn't expect an answer nor further meditation, l figured it's entirely private internals between that person and the staff that talked to em

[teal timber]

#1459238772033065040 message

Should I just tell 'em about the Looks to the Moon -> Citadel path?

They're in a pretty awful spot, having climbed Chimney Canopy after getting spoiled and getting stuck at the top.

@modern harness opinions

They obviously like having some directions, and I think that's better than their current situation.

[modern harness]

Probably?
That is the intended* path for a first playthrough

[modern harness]

Cas Saint time

[sour bear]

⚠️ CASTRIX SAINT THREAD RADAR ⚠️
#1461771937901711431 message

[quasi stirrup]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1461794375721029753 should we tell them that moon is inaccessible in arti

[sacred fox]

Nah that's a discovery thing

[quasi stirrup]

i personally had no idea moon was inaccessible even after exploring all of waterfront

i just thought there might be another way in 🥹

yeah they're trying to brute force it by trying an underwater path

[radiant night]

Copycat….

[modern harness]

Not really sure what else I can do for Yone

Theyre dead set on progression towards the ending

[dusty jetty]

that's a pretty sad way of playing for me 🥹

[dusty jetty]

I wouldn't want to tell them either but they literally asked for yes or no answer

dayum

[modern harness]

[radiant night]

Can always go

Direct answer: ||I love ramune||

[quasi stirrup]

i do think when someone's asking for direct answers the most you can do is tell them directly yeah

they'll just end up looking up resources or asking elsewhere if you don't and spoil themselves even further

[gray musk]

iirc arti timetravel to moon isn't possible.

[atomic locust]

is cas aware of and/or planning on doing inv?

I would assume she has noticed the tag and asked about it, at the very least

[atomic locust]

possible but not feasible

too much Water

if you could clip at will, you could probably just crawl through the ceiling on those rooms and be fine

[sour bear]

Not sure but I'll hazard a guess that she knows and wants to play inv

[teal timber]

If they do, we need to give them some riddles

[sour bear]

I'm coming back home soon but I think I'll be very busy for a bit so I can come back to my full felper activity in like a week or 2 or so

[north mural]

And their copy was illegitimate on top of that 🥹

[dusty jetty]

god damn it

[gray musk]

Yeah, that's better wording. What I meant there is in theory a gate you could do it with, but any shelter is too far.

[dusty jetty]

mentioning outskirts in the fps initial messages is fine right?

[sour bear]

Yes

[north mural]

#1460981345114390714 message

Blast

[radiant night]

Where blast

[north mural]

Got blasted already looks like. Or self deleted.

#1460981345114390714 message

It was above this

[radiant night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1295217514984509471.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=peanutbutter

[quasi stirrup]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1461483038927093820 guardian skipped 🥹

didn't meet moon or pebbles from what i can tell either

gw to ds to sb

[grave token]

[grave stag]

that seems like an experience for a run

[modern harness]

Shroomie reborn 🥹

[distant falcon]

In their first playthrough???

How

[teal timber]

How-

They were so thorough about patching that...

[modern harness]

Shroomie reborn real

[teal timber]

I wanna know how they did it.

[quasi stirrup]

me too 🥹

[atomic locust]

you can skip guardians with rocks and blind luck

it's nothing special

well, it is rare

[teal timber]

Isn't the pipe locked now, though?

[atomic locust]

only for hunter, I believe

and also some of the MSC cats

[teal timber]

huh

[atomic locust]

As Monk or Survivor, it is possible to get past a Guardian without having maximum Karma by eating a Mushroom and throwing two Flashbangs to blind the Guardian. This was initially unintended but made a feature as it is now specifically patched out for Hunter only.

I think it's funny how the wiki mentions that specific method

despite there being many different ones

[teal timber]

no wait

just checked the code

the pipe locking applies to all campaigns

but it's Remix-Mod-exclusive :slugfacepalm:

[atomic locust]

I'm gonna test it real quick

[teal timber]

as in, not having Remix Mod is the same thing as having Vanilla Exploits enabled

[atomic locust]

oops bad clip

ah wait I need to disable vanilla exploits

cant go through with vanilla exploits off, you're right there ✅

gonna check if it's an MSC thing by chance

[teal timber]

according to my code analysis it should work if Remix Mod is off

[atomic locust]

ok MSC does not allow it to function

remix off does allow it, as expected

and hunter can go through with remix off as well

so that rules out that theory

[teal timber]

should be anyone

no campaign checks anywhere here

[atomic locust]

just wanted to check it in practice before editing wiki 🙂

but yea, it seems universal as far as I can tell

``As Monk or Survivor, it is possible to get past a Guardian without having maximum Karma by eating a Mushroom and throwing two Flashbangs to blind the Guardian. This was initially unintended but made a feature as it is now specifically patched out for Hunter only.

As Artificer or Rivulet, it is possible to get past a guardian without having maximum Karma with only one or two Flashbangs and no Mushroom due to their movement utilities.``

what should that even be replaced with 🤔

[sacred fox]

Something like "there are many methods, but one known method:" etc

?

[atomic locust]

well my Game Theory is that that was probably true at one time but got patched on top of the patch and is no longer so

I'll just put something on the talk page and let someone else decide how to edit it

[teal timber]

looks like Remix Mod also makes them unblindable

[atomic locust]

I forget what the condition is, but something makes their vision cover every tile in the room

might be slugcat-specific, might be a remix thing

[teal timber]

here ya go

Interestingly this seems to only apply to player 1

[distant falcon]

But its just a theory… A GAME THEORY

[radiant night]

@granite robin If you wish to help people in the posts I would recommend reading the pinned messages here

[granite robin]

okeg

tip - do not go into outskirts nor industrial when in any downpour campagin, the spawns there are the worst

[radiant night]

They aren’t that bad

Don’t look in subterranean or metropolis

[granite robin]

sub doesnt change much, metropolis is only for arti(im pretty sure)

[radiant night]

You can break into it

[granite robin]

yeah but why

not required

[tranquil mulch]

funny

[radiant night]

monk usurper

[north mural]

Completionist for porl and echo

[north mural]

@granite robin again, please read the pinned rules for felper etiquette. Anyone is welcome to volunteer, but you need to respect players' desire to not be backseated or spoiled, and to offer hints only when directly asked and that will help someone solve problems on their own

[granite robin]

ok

can someone send me a map of all cornfruit? need it... like a lot... for no reason at all...

[grave token]

Cornfruit?

[fresh atlas]

i presume popcorn plants

[fresh atlas]

the red thingies you hit with a spear?

[grave token]

Do you mean these?

[grave token]

That's what I thought too but blue fruit could also be called that and

[fresh atlas]

could blue fruit be called that because of cornflowers

i just. that’s the only reason i can think of

[quasi stirrup]

they could look like corn but blue

corn kernels

[fresh atlas]

i shrimpose

[forest flax]

if it is popcorn plants then heres the map or something

[desert relic]

yeah they meant popcorn platns

[quasi stirrup]

better to know for sure

do they even have a map with all blue fruits? would be funny if so 🥹

[desert relic]

i know this because #videos-and-streams message

[quasi stirrup]

lurking

[granite robin]

tysm

[dusty jetty]

#1462644105187299440 message

Hey @proven wasp, I just wanted to tell you that you probably shouldn't tell a first-time Hunter player to restart, at least not until they already know what happens when you reach Cycle 0

because they might miss out on content. I know it might not be much for everyone, but seeing Hunter's illness was so cool for me and many other players

and after they experience it for the first time, then they'll be able to restart just fine since they already know what happens!

[north mural]

Happy downpour 3rd anniversary

[proven wasp]

Woops hadn't realized they were on their 1st game omg

[dusty jetty]

#1462466192324165805 message what the hell is this?

[lyric moss]

Looks like the... Five Pebbles gravity distortion effect? But why is it there?? what even happened

[tranquil mulch]

i blame mods

[lyric moss]

yeah, most likely

[dusty jetty]

scary

[grave token]

#1463217815774429184 message @modern harness shouldn't this be blasted

[desert relic]

thats what i was thinking lol

i wanted to ask them to spoil the message

[grave token]

Mentions things not in the Six Felper Soul guide™

[modern harness]

Oh right

[desert relic]

for some reason really brain stopped working

like 30 mins after that post dropped lol

[grave token]

We all have those moments

[desert relic]

real

[teal timber]

y'know

Is there currently a channel for the Riddles?

[modern harness]

Dont think so

[teal timber]

huh...

They ought to be revived, I think.

I wonder if there's anything we could do to improve on them

Or like some plan us helpers could use to reliably give them out to players in a way that's interesting.

[teal timber]

In particular I find it kinda weird that one of them is contingent on a fan nickname nobody uses anymore...

I propose we go beyond just reviving it and make our own, more complicated version of the ARG

[grave stag]

Inv riddles?

[teal timber]

yeah

[grave stag]

I just somehow got answer from this thread :D

[teal timber]

I remember one time I had some fun slowly dropping the Riddles in someone's thread during their playthrough

There's a lot of fun stuff we could do with it, I think.

[teal timber]

And on a related note: has Castrix ever seen any of the Riddles

if not I propose we put some hints in their older threads

[radiant night]

that will call attention instantly

[grave token]

I don't believe Cas has seen any of the riddles, but knows of Inv's existence iirc

[radiant night]

i think we can just provide info when asked about it

remember to her occasionally

[teal timber]

edit older messages so it doesn't make a notification

then subtly nudge them towards looking at their older threads as needed

[radiant night]

ehhhhh

im against editing old messages since it ruins the archive

[teal timber]

Even ones from after the playthrough is over?

[modern harness]

The riddles themselves are already subpar and some people are more or less against scavenger hunts for hints so Im not too incredibly fond of the idea personally

[teal timber]

like, the most recent ones in the thread that can be edited, presumably those aren't historically relevant

[teal timber]

That's why I'm also saying we should improve the riddles.

get rid of the weird dependency on a fan nickname and use the train or something

[modern harness]

Yeh

[forest flax]

are the riddles community made?

[modern harness]

The only idea I got right now for a redo is just changing the "the" to a "a" in the "its in the door of the desert"

[modern harness]

No

[teal timber]

and people have the option of just asking us directly for the answer of course, if they don't like the riddles

[modern harness]

Dragon and someone else on the mod team made the riddles iirc quickly in some sort of panic once people started showing what they found in the files

[teal timber]

yeah

I think the First Riddle (bricks of a pillar) is decent
but the rest needs some work

[modern harness]

Excpecting people to take longer to find it but hiding images in the game folders isnt exactly hidden

[teal timber]

Random idea:
I was initially thinking we could set up a Sprinkles command to do the Riddles
But what if we make Sprinkles part of the puzzle somehow
like, if you say one very specific, impossible-to-guess message, Sprinkles shows up and delivers more of the puzzle
IDK

[radiant night]

thats like the first thing people will find lmao

[teal timber]

Conventional players, yeah. But the modding community for this game is pretty big, so that'll be the first thing some people check after beating the game.

[radiant night]

im a bit confused by what you mean

[teal timber]

like, the original Riddles were how people first learned how to unlock them

it wasn't a first-playthrough thing, it was for the #downpour-spoilers community to solve collectively

they came up with the riddles right after Downpour came out, shortly after finding out that someone had discovered the files for them

[modern harness]

And it depends entirely on old community knowledge that most people dont know

I like the pillar hint and I think the door hint could be better if reworked
Maybe something about the grafitti ?

[teal timber]

(this is around where people first found out about it)

[teal timber]

The thing is, all of the riddles besides the pillar one lead to the ID drone. So if we're not relying on community names we have to scrap those, I think.

yeah I think the train car graffiti is a good way to do it

We can still do the thing with the "desert"...

But, then, should we? Maybe there are better ways.

we could also expand on it by making it nonlinear

i.e. present the riddles, and also additional puzzles that provide clues to the main ones if solved

For the "desert" thing for example, I've seen a lot of people get stuck on the logic of what's considered a desert - we could set up a hint that's hidden, so if people are stuck on the riddle itself they could look for the hint instead.

[tranquil mulch]

honestly that tracks from what I have experienced with Eggspedition's public discovery

[sour bear]

⚠️ CASTRIX IS SOON TO UNLOCK SAINT K10 ⚠️
#1461771937901711431 message
(well, "soon" meaning in like tomorrow or day after or something)

[verbal pelican]

can’t wait for them to try explaining saint’s karma magic deity powers and rubicon 💔

[sour bear]

that Will be soo cool to Watch

[desert relic]

is there even a fp coordination thread for modded campaigns? (do we even need one)

[sour bear]

if castrix does mods we will

[desert relic]

what about everyone else
i just noticed we barely .repost stuff in the modded fp forums

[desert relic]

also seeing this kinda stuff makes me kinda envious for some reason

[grave stag]

I have yet to look those forums but I think it's mostly because most people touch mods only after they are done with base campaigns

[sour bear]

fair. I'll stop

Ig I'm excited

[teal timber]

The thing is, there are so many mods that there isn't anyone that has seen all of them.

So a full-mod-spoilers coordination thread wouldn't be appealing.

Besides, most of the people who play mods are already good at the game and don't ever really need help

[desert relic]

honestly i think the 99% of the time

i saw someone who did mods before beating campaigns

[quasi stirrup]

i like the updates though tankium

there's too many threads to keep track of

[desert relic]

i will do inv soon trademark!!!!!!!1

(seriously though i will do inv)

[quasi stirrup]

how else could i act like ive been there lurking the entire time when someone finishes hunter because you sent a link here

[quasi stirrup]

hav fun

[desert relic]

inv after expeditions

[quasi stirrup]

i still need to finish inv

[desert relic]

have a WASH at me soon™

[quasi stirrup]

won't washy closely cuz i don't want to spoil myself too much but sure

[desert relic]

where even you are at in inv (dont anwser)

[quasi stirrup]

not far really

[hollow bone]

honestly i had already watched an entire video about someone beating inv and i dont feel like suffering in the inv campaign

though it is a cool campaign

[quasi stirrup]

it's honestly not that bad once you get used to it

[hollow bone]

yea that's the part the hardest campaign ive done was artificer

inv is quite a large jump

ill try it at somepoint

After learning how to do fast pole climbing (i still have not learned most good skills to know except extended slide and alot of roll things and pounces and the throw boost on a wall to get flung)

ill learn at some point and do inv in the coming months hopefully this year

after i finish watcher

[modern harness]

I havent figured out fast pole climb and Im fine with that honestly

[silver musk]

you don't need any tech to finish the campaign

[modern harness]

Yea but. My slow vertical movement

[hollow bone]

yea i wanna learn most useful movement techs before doing inv

and because my friend wont do the campaign when he has 1300 hours on the game

he has also not finished watcher

[grave stag]

Why I feel being called out ;-;

[hollow bone]

on what?

[grave stag]

around 1100 hours on game and far from completing watcher and I don't know any movement tech :D

[hollow bone]

damn

i mean the only reason i learned them is because he forced me to

also he is in the server but joined like 5 days ago or something

@tall umbra its this guy but he doesnt talk here at all

since his english isnt too great i think

[tall umbra]

What did you said!!!!

I am jast busy alright?

[hollow bone]

yea i get it but do watcher since i still wanna document to you

[tall umbra]

Dude. No time.

Thats my problem.

[hollow bone]

okay lets go back to dms since this is still a helpers chat

[teal timber]

TBH I don't really wanna learn any more tech

no point

[spare trail]

fast pole climb is the only major one ive actually learned

its very useful imo

even if you cant do it at superspeed

[forest flax]

eslides are the most useful tech in the game ✅

[spare trail]

now those i dont have a single clue how to do

[sour bear]

death star warp jumps*

Best tech

[radiant night]

you dont need to know eslides, they are only helpful in flat rooms

ctwc

✅

[modern harness]

@teal timber They added popcorn plant token when, I think it was 1.5, came out

[teal timber]

Oh interesting. Was that just not a thing before?

Where is it?

[modern harness]

No

[modern harness]

Desperado room

[teal timber]

As in the pearl path? That is evil I love it

[modern harness]

[teal timber]

I've previously heard people try to use "his name can be found on a train car at the bottom of the top of the world"

Cool idea, but too direct IMHO.

also of note: there's water in that room

WAIT

yeah

there's no water anywhere else in Metropolis

So, if Metropolis is a desert, the train graffiti room is an oasis

[sour bear]

yeah 1.5

[silver musk]

The bottom of the top 🔥 ✍️

[teal timber]

idea

an oasis in the desert

a friend's name scrawled in pink

a pillar of seven or eight bricks, each inscribed

call out to them, and another will answer

still references the trivia, but knowing it isn't required for the solution

[teal timber]

I also like this

better than saying the bottom of the top of the world if we've already hinted to its location in other ways

when you shorten it it's a much weaker clue

[north mural]

Always remember that players are often much dumber than one assumes

Common scenario

[teal timber]

the bottom of the top (helper clue for #2)
an oasis in the desert (main hint to location)
a friend's name scrawled in pink (pretty direct once you figure out what "the oasis" is, which is good since otherwise people won't think to look at graffiti / won't know if they're actually doing the right thing)
a pillar of seven or eight bricks, each inscribed (from original riddle, so effectiveness has been verified; if more hints are necessary, I've previously seen "the pillar is visible after a heavy rain" )
call out to them, and another will answer ("them" can only refer to the friend, hopefully)

[teal timber]

There's a relevant XKCD for everything

[teal timber]

maybe replace "friend's name" with "friend's true name"

to make it more clear that this probably isn't already known

[sour bear]

Me all the time

[teal timber]

Also, the way these are presented it may be a good idea to explicitly order them?

Since each one is individually pretty vague, and related to the direct previous.

[teal timber]

I think we should test what we come up with here on Castrix once they finish Saint

[north mural]

Truth nuke

[teal timber]

Is "scrawled" a word that most people know

[north mural]

I'd say so

I'd even go fancier than it

[teal timber]

hmmm

"revealed"

"immortalized"

"scratched"

IMHO none of those beat "scrawled"

partly because I think it's good for this part of the riddle to be pretty straightforward

fancier words are better, but here they should be fairly literal as well

"applied"

"emblazoned"

emblazoned is pretty good

[verbal pelican]

i like scrawled a lot better

[teal timber]

... yeah

[verbal pelican]

what could be the silliest word that could go there actually

conjured

[teal timber]

"deposited"

"spoken"

"wrought"

[north mural]

Emblazoned fits great with graffiti

Signed could be an option

A friend signs off his name in pink

[teal timber]

perhaps

going to a thesaurus now

"inscribed" (already used elsewhere in the riddle)

"recorded"

"canonized" (relevant since this is the only place it appears)

[verbal pelican]

anyway i want to bring up the problem of actually decoding the graffiti

[desert relic]

what does it mean

[verbal pelican]

even with the game file image of it it looks like it has a j

[desert relic]

this is lowk kinda first time seeing that word (not native after all lol)

[verbal pelican]

🥹

[teal timber]

oh hmmm you do have a point

[verbal pelican]

similar to like scribbled but also kind of not

[teal timber]

see that could be an issue

[teal timber]

oh scribbled is also an option

[verbal pelican]

written in a messy way

[desert relic]

exactly for non native people

[verbal pelican]

google it all 😌

[teal timber]

I mean we could always define it if need be, I suppose

and preliminary testing isn't great

[sacred fox]

Late but neither do I and honestly, ultimately I don't mind lol

[teal timber]

on the other hand it's a pretty cool word if you do know it

hmmm

[sacred fox]

raises hand I do, if it's relevant lol

[teal timber]

Of note: "Sofantheil" and "Sofanthiel" are equally valid.

Maybe we can set up a hint that we only use if people misread it?

[atomic locust]

what's more riddle-solvey than having to look up definitions?

it's like two steps away from archeology

[dusty jetty]

hey felpers how many watcher pings are there usually per week lately?

I still gotta finish watcher but I'm considering to get the role back already

@north mural @proven wasp don't you think you're giving too much unasked-for info? it doesn't seem like it's bothering tos, but maybe it's better to ask him first

[north mural]

Don't Swimboost is generally approved for felpers to tell transparently, it falls under unintuitive info. The rest was yapping about movetech quirks

[proven wasp]

Yeah maybe tbh, was just having fun showing some cool movement i wanted to do (and that could solve his pipe issues)

didn't even engage into the swimboost stuff, but them knowing does avoid like 7 deaths

[dusty jetty]

I mean yeah, just be careful because not everyone might be okay with "spoilers" like these!

[north mural]

If anything I'd been trying earlier to goad this player to stay away from spoilers; they kept looking up info on echoes and five pebbles

[dusty jetty]

are you guys friends?

[north mural]

Nope

[dusty jetty]

well anyway it's good they don't loop up info online yeah

[proven wasp]

They ate some neurons and felt insanely guilty and wanted to load a backup save, but before i could tell them that they didn't have to backup their save and could fix it in some way they had already looked up exactly how to

At a certain point though, if THAT's how they have fun in their games then i'll try to not stop them too much

Remember the guy who recently cheated the guardians and got to the ending before meeting echoes and iterators

[dusty jetty]

[proven wasp]

but still teared up at the ending still

[dusty jetty]

well yeah, of course we still gotta respect everyone, even though it's generally more enjoyable when played without spoilers and everything

also another person in a thread asked for direct answers a few times so I had to tell them

[proven wasp]

Yeah that's true

[north mural]

Yeah in the end it falls on the player's free will and consent to info

[desert relic]

wgat what i need to look at that

[proven wasp]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1461483038927093820

Start at the top

[desert relic]

thats crazy

ive read the whole thing till they reached the void sea

[proven wasp]

Btw why does your discord overlay thing say you are playing as a small centipede in the subterranean that's so awesome, cute and adorable

[desert relic]

oh huh it didnt update im in arena now

thats dreams poopycord rich prescence mod btw

[proven wasp]

Yesh i initially thought they were a smurf trolling us with a mod, cuz he got through a section i died in like 50 times in the drainage system to reach subtarrenean as a begginer (got terminally stuck there and had to restart), accidentally got to the guardians and just as soon as he met them he got past them

it was soo confusing

[proven wasp]

Oh i need that mod, thanks for suggesting

[desert relic]

anyway im too evil i remember just using the wiki and interactive maps to progress but still had fun anyway
and even when i was cheating at times i had fun anyway

i am immune to spoilers

quite literally

[proven wasp]

Ohh i know people who are immune to spoilers and usually just ask you to loredrop it to see if they are interested in the premise xD

[desert relic]

what i regret is that i didnt document much

:C

at least ive documented a lot in my washer thread lol

[proven wasp]

Washer slugcat :O

Slugcat who does laundry and cleans

[proven wasp]

Oh i made sure to complain about how much i hate gourmand in a thread (slowly it grew on me tbh...)

[desert relic]

lol

gourm is pretty fun in expeditions

but with perks

riv and arti perks and crush everything on your way

[proven wasp]

Your own portable yeek

[radiant night]

Depends
It’s like 3 from the same person one day then none for awhile

Not too excessive tho

[north mural]

I love gourm

The lizard killing is unmatched

[dusty jetty]

alrightyy

[north mural]

He is legit a powerhouse if you cooperate and obey his weaknesses

[proven wasp]

One shot a lizard with your immense power and then step into a patch of evil grass, game over

[north mural]

Only shoot one spear at a time? Don't matter, you won't need to shoot a second. Make sure you don't miss.

I've rarely ever had grass trouble

[proven wasp]

I had, ALOT

[north mural]

Soon as I'm in outer expanse l grab the first yeek in sight

[proven wasp]

It took me a while to use the yeeks lol

[radiant night]

Would you like the role back?

[dusty jetty]

I'll wait a bit more

[radiant night]

okie :3

I’m less worried about soilers but since I can’t help people I just mark the thread as read and unfollow without looking into it

[dusty jetty]

yeaa, still gotta avoid them

[proven wasp]

Hey quick question

would it be better advised for DP begginers to play Gourmand or Artificer?

personally, i heard alot of talk about how artificer was this super cool warcriminal, beat hunter and got to Downpour, and picked gourmand since they were the first, but i hated being so slow and becoming exhausted alot and gave up on my second cycle and booted up artificer (with a weapons mod cause i thought it'd fit) and had a blast

[proven wasp]

The graphics heavy region was of what campaign? just so i can be ready xD

and close some tasks

[desert relic]

i never used yeeks much

[north mural]

Free food

[narrow finch]

Yeeks are both easy food spots, and free lizard food

[sour bear]

if you miss your dead

if theres a 2nd lizard your dead

[north mural]

Skill issue

[north mural]

[desert relic]

yall i might do inv actually 🥹 like now

[radiant night]

I say gourmand because you will be frustrated going from having explosive jumps to no explosive jumps

Gourmand is very fast and powerful

[spare trail]

not sure if i would say fast

remove the s and then we're talking

[radiant night]

gourmand movement is one of the fastest in the game

[sour bear]

gourmand cant even fpc ithout getting tired after 72 ms

[proven wasp]

Oh i see i see, well i definetly did miss my explosive jumps

[grave token]

Uhhh what should we do about this

[radiant night]

as others did, you just have to explain to them that each post belongs to the person who made it. if they dont listen even then, report it to sniffer courier

[spare trail]

how

[sour bear]

probably some niche movement that relies on his weight

omg my w key worked it revived breifly

and then died again

[radiant night]

ask #movement

[spare trail]

if its some niche movement tech i doubt "very fast" applies to the average first time downpour player

[grave token]

Noted

[silver musk]

I like the word. Rolls on the tongue just right

[atomic locust]

idk I feel like it's one of those words where you can never be sure if you're pronouncing it correctly

(which is to say it highlights my southern accent too much for my liking)

[sour bear]

#1463294481041461310 message @radiant night they have never earned the survivor????

[radiant night]

they never mentioned it when i scanned

its not impossible

[sour bear]

the chances are insanely lo tbh, if hes at the point here he reached pebbles

oh ait no i think hes in the region he hasnt seen pebbles himself yet
i think

i think he managed to enter the underhang gate

but yeah sorry about possibly spoiling them, your right in that i didnt really check

[modern harness]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1464454109095530679 Player wants to just end the game
I got dinner to make tho and Im cold

[atomic locust]

it's not thaat crazy.

you gotta get 3 cycles of K5, right?

I suppose you get two by default by passing through a K5 gate (one to get through the gate, one to save on the other side)

[teal timber]

5

[atomic locust]

even better

[teal timber]

Five Cycles at Pebbles'

[atomic locust]

I got Survivor in Outskirts because I think I thought outskirts was the entire game at first

and the passages were like, endings

or rather, Survivor (the only passage) was the way to get the ending

progress

etc

[sour bear]

yeah me too lol

[atomic locust]

I entirely misunderstood what gates were

[sour bear]

but still. if someone managed to enter an end game region, no less one ith a k5 gate i think its safe to assume they knoW hat a passage is... also they Were struggling (they pinged felpers like 3 times) and i try to prioritise the players enjoyment. and passages arent really that big of a spoiler anyWay tbh

[atomic locust]

I don't consider the existence of passages to be particularly spoilery

I'm all for being lazy and breaking the felping guidelines sometimes

[hollow bone]

omg i just realized what if fp stands for felper so every felper is five pebbles

[ashen drift]

First Playthrough

[crude jetty]

Vcelper.

[radiant night]

yeah it’s stands for first playthrough

I usually say 5P instead of FP

[quasi stirrup]

#1459179620359344128 message @sour bear i don't think that area being different as spearmaster is something you should tell them

[hollow bone]

am pretty sure they arent playing spearmaster

they are doing gourmand

[radiant night]

its best just to tell them to keep it in the back of their mind
but its alright, nothing we can do ab it now

[quasi stirrup]

they just didn't ask for the purpose of the area and seemed already keen on making their own theories as gourmand, everyone does play differently but that area having purpose and being different as spearmaster was one of the big surprises of the campaign for me

it's more something i'm mentioning to keep in mind for the future even if it already happened

[quasi stirrup]

yeah there's a message a little after the one i linked where tankium spoil tags something about going back there as spearmaster

[desert relic]

[hollow bone]

oh okay

[quasi stirrup]

that is better for a couri report honestly

[crude oxide]

idk about slurs because i didn't see any. but maybe there's just a slur that i don't know

[north mural]

In the 4th slide of the gif

[crude oxide]

oh that's a gif

[hollow bone]

oh sorry for those

[radiant night]

i removed the report message since everything has been taken care of
felping can commence as normal

[quasi stirrup]

evil felping time

[sacred fox]

Furting time

[spare trail]

theyre gonna be so pissed when iggy leads them back down to shaded 😭

[teal timber]

to be fair, once that happens they'll have light one way or another

But yeah it'll be funny if that happens

[modern harness]

The evil and nefarious Ending

[teal timber]

@midnight cliff also if you're talking about Depths, they've been there already
(can't mention it now, though, without doing a reveal spoiler)

[midnight cliff]

I was talking about the room with the void sea with the overarching hill

[teal timber]

oh yeah

[midnight cliff]

I was stuck for like ten min

[teal timber]

I feel like that one does a pretty good job, generally? Since you have the Void Spawn leading you into the pool, and there's not really anything else you can do from there.

The bigger issue is players missing the Light swimming down for like 15 minutes at the bottom

[midnight cliff]

So glad i caught it

[teal timber]

Also welcome to the secret helper shadow government

[midnight cliff]

Dont i need all campaigns beaten for that

Ive only done surv and gourmand

[spare trail]

probably dont want to stick around too long then

[teal timber]

ah, well, true, then, don't stick around

[midnight cliff]

K

[hollow bone]

i also have been stuck in it for a while i was streaming to my friend, he probably got really annoyed at it to the point he told me to go down in the water after 20 minutes

[dusty jetty]

#1461735391492051046 message @proven wasp are you sure the user knows it's called Rot?

[proven wasp]

fized

[dusty jetty]

wither 😭

be careful pls !

[proven wasp]

xD

[dusty jetty]

tbh I think it's better to just say creature in this case

because it could also be called Wither

[teal timber]

I mean

[proven wasp]

Matey there called it blue wither storm

[teal timber]

they called it that

[dusty jetty]

oh alright then

[teal timber]

the best option is always what they use

[dusty jetty]

sorry, I didn't see

[dusty jetty]

yep

[north mural]

Blueberries

[teal timber]

@north mural that's Survivor

they're Monk

[north mural]

Thank goodness the material doesn't change very much

Same topics plus "you're not the first one to do this I'm sick of you things get out"

[teal timber]

Monk is funnier though

[north mural]

[teal timber]

the bottom of the top
an oasis in the desert
a friend's true name scrawled in pink
a pillar of seven or eight bricks, each inscribed
call out to them, and another will answer
@atomic locust

[atomic locust]

ok what's up with the desert thing

[teal timber]

.

[atomic locust]

desert thing never made sense to me

[teal timber]

no Rain

= desert

[atomic locust]

bad

I have never thought that after reading the riddle many times

bottom of the top already directs you to the top region

so rainless is kinda implied

[teal timber]

yeah that's why I put two

you can solve either

[atomic locust]

also I do think the menu thing is too esoteric personally
if the whole riddle has been directing you to ingame locations, you're not gonna suddenly think that you need to go to the main menu 🤔

[teal timber]

I specifically kept "bottom of the top" vague though (rather than specifying, say, "the bottom of the top of the world") to make it closer to the difficulty of the desert riddle

[atomic locust]

metro has plenty of pillars

[teal timber]

True...

[atomic locust]

12th Council Pillar, the House of Braids

that would confuse a lot of people, no?

[teal timber]

I think we need more riddles like the "bottom of the top" one

[atomic locust]

bottom of the top works well

[teal timber]

keep the desert and pillar ones but also have extras as alternate paths

[atomic locust]

I like the idea of having each hint have two halves that can be used independently

[teal timber]

yeah exactly

[atomic locust]

helps the user not get stuck on any individual

good game design

[teal timber]

Nonlinearity is a core part of Rain World's design

the pillar could "rest upon an ever-changing landscape" or "appear after a heavy rain"
(the latter has been used as a hint before)

[atomic locust]

you could make a hint that implies that it should be spoken by you rather than the characters

getting the player to the menu seems difficult

[teal timber]

well

slugcat's don't generally "call out" to anything

[atomic locust]

unless you enable the push to meow mod, of course

[teal timber]

Well, yeah, but it's a mod.

[atomic locust]

you could refer to the menu as "before the rain" or something similarly metaphorically past-facing

would be difficult to avoid directing the player to spearmaster

beyond the rain would make me think Saint

[teal timber]

it's also after the rain
(the logo flashes occur with rain in the background)

[atomic locust]

after the rain is too saintish

[teal timber]

after a rain though

[atomic locust]

before the story (Challenge 70!!!)

[teal timber]

I like the "ever-changing landscape" idea. Not a lot of actual game landscapes change frequently.

[atomic locust]

very vague

could be paired with something else

[teal timber]

Well, combined with the pillar hint...

And, again, you only need to solve one.

[atomic locust]

I think pillar hint is functionally useless personally

why are the menu buttons even being referred to as pillars?

they're flat

[teal timber]

I think "inscribed bricks" is a pretty big clue, but only if you actually see the title screen and make the connection there
you won't think of it so much in-game, but people will go past the title screen on their way in/out of the game

[atomic locust]

they're arranged in rows

[north mural]

Yeah it's more one pillar

One pillar of bricks

[teal timber]

it is a pillar of seven or eight inscribed bricks

[atomic locust]

pillar of bricks is just a funky wording to me

[north mural]

There's gotta be a way to make it more esoteric sounding

[atomic locust]

maybe if you couch it in some sort of phrasing implying a quality of their text

it's completely alien to the rain world™

directed to you, the player

you could call it an array

something less structural

more mathematical, more gamey

[sacred fox]

Column

[north mural]

Obelisk

[atomic locust]

column works better, I think

implying too much physicality will make the player seek out an ingame structure

[teal timber]

column seems cool

a column of seven or eight bricks, each inscribed

[teal timber]

Do you think that's enough to solve it?

[atomic locust]

I mean, it's solvable in any form

I think it could be improved ofc

[teal timber]

well yeah that's what I mean

is it the right level of difficulty

[atomic locust]

you could establish multiple tiers of Inv Riddle™ but that's a whole project

[atomic locust]

I don't think there is a Right difficulty, because the skills and knowledge of riddle-solving vary so much on the individual

[teal timber]

well yeah true

[atomic locust]

I would lean towards making it relatively easy and simple

[teal timber]

that's why we keep some hints in reserve

[atomic locust]

how about this

[teal timber]

we could maybe do column

and then have these two hints as backup

[atomic locust]

each stage has a difficult hint and an easy hint
we only provide the difficult ones at first, but give the easy ones upon request

this system is made clear to the solver immediately

[atomic locust]

the desert hint would be the hard one here, and the bottom of top would be easy

etc etc

[teal timber]

hmmm interesante

I keep thinking it might be cool to rope Sprinkles into this somehow

[atomic locust]

lol

[teal timber]

i.e. have them respond to specific prompts in first-playthrough channels

so maybe if you want the easy version you have to go ask Sprinkles nicely

[atomic locust]

each menu option only has one word, could you rephrase "inscribed" with some thesaurus-y word that would imply a single word on each brick?

[teal timber]

"labelled" - not as cool-sounding

[atomic locust]

Lexeme

that's a fun word

[teal timber]

engraved

etched

[atomic locust]

I feel like the physicality of some of these terms would lead people back to looking in the main game world

[teal timber]

"chiseled" is going to inherit the confusion that chiseled bricks have in Minecraft

[teal timber]

I mean, "inscribed" means "with writing"

I feel like it's fairly easy to think of the Main Menu just because. you will see it while searching

[atomic locust]

it implies paper to me, which is more neutral than say, engraved and etched

you could do a phrasing like "each inscribed with X"

[teal timber]

I think it's better to have a secondary hint that makes it non-physical

[atomic locust]

you could refer to the transportation properties of the bricks

you could call it a column of doors

something something

[teal timber]

TBH I think it's harder to see them as doors than as bricks

also people will think in-game pipes

[atomic locust]

I agree from a visual perspective

[teal timber]

"find the single 8-exit room in the game"

[atomic locust]

it's not the specific wording I would use

I think trying to describe them visually is folly no matter what word we use

the seven or eight part works well enough for that

imagine if there was one less button on the menu

[teal timber]

true

the fact that it's seven or eight gets people thinking

even though it's fairly hard to actually get the solution from that (and even when people do, they're often confused as to why it's worded that way), but it shows that it's something weird and unexpected and encourages outside-the-box thinking

[atomic locust]

if it were eight or nine I imagine people would get confused and think it's about the number of slugcats on the select screen

(depending on whether watcher is enabled)

[teal timber]

right but you can never have seven slugcats so

[teal timber]

as in

the "seven or eight" referring to Expedition mode -> really hard (nobody plays Expedition mode, let alone knows that enabling it changes the number of menu buttons)
but since the game world is fairly constant it's hard to imagine a situation where a particular place within it would gain or lose an actual physical brick

And since players will always see the main menu screen at some point in a play session, it's only a matter of time before they notice that it fits the description.

[teal timber]

the bottom of the top
an oasis in the desert
a friend's true name scrawled in pink
a column of seven or eight bricks, each inscribed
call out to them, and another will answer

with "amidst an ever-changing landscape" kept in reserve as an optional hint for #4

[grave token]

@nimble nymph saw you felping in another thread, thought I should bring you here to the Shadow Felper Headquarters™

Take a read through the pins in this thread

[sour bear]

shadow felper government

** ** * insert secret plot to overthrow the staff and usher in a golden age of felping *

[grave token]

*insert super secret evil plot to overthrow the overthrowing of the overthrowing of the shadow felper government*

[teal timber]

bad idea, speaking from experience

[sour bear]

joke

[spare trail]

from experience

😭

[sour bear]

but im curious to hear your story

[grave token]

From one felper to another...

[nimble nymph]

Alright.

[teal timber]

there actually was an incident once involving me (and others who I will not name) ignoring the spoiler rules and enforcing our own version of them without Staff's knowledge

I have since learned from my mistakes

[sour bear]

thought you were gonna talk about some movement to overthrow a server

[spare trail]

what would a different version of the spoiler rules even be

[teal timber]

first-playthrough channels were very different back then

[spare trail]

oh was it back when they were all in one channel

or

like

split into different channels

based on where you were in the game

[teal timber]

yeah

yeah

[spare trail]

i joined back when that was a thing but i wasnt really playing the game at the time and i think i left at some point

[teal timber]

we started moving the splits around and didn't think to mention it to anyone other than the players themselves

which rather predictably caused trouble eventually

[grave token]

This came from a SM thread too

[teal timber]

that is the Spearmaster

I think they Warped in

wouldn't be the first time

[modern harness]

🥹

Gee I wonder whats wrong

[teal timber]

@nimble nymph just so you know it's good practice to not call them coalescipedes

We usually avoid telling people what things are called - when in doubt, check what they call it.

This doubly applies to the upcoming encounter with Looks to the Moon of course

[nimble nymph]

I usually would say that they already saw it, but understandable.

[teal timber]

well yeah it's not a spoiler in that sense
but they don't know what it's called

[teal timber]

also in this case I don't think they've necessarily put together the whole "spiders intentionally group up to attack prey" thing so the name coalescipede is a little spoilery

[nimble nymph]

I see. I won't do this again.
Unless they already know the names.

[teal timber]

No worries

Not accidentally leaking stuff is an art that takes practice

@gilded smelt don't say too much

[gilded smelt]

surealrite

[teal timber]

(They're good at the game, they'll figure it out don't worry )

[gilded smelt]

I really really wanna stick around and i wanna see whats their reaction to FP

Very fun 2 watch

[teal timber]

And try to avoid doing suspicious foreshadowing along the lines of #1456460010916675826 message
It's fun but if players pick up on it it ends up alerting people in advance whenever a surprise is coming up.

When in doubt, -react

[gilded smelt]

now why would there be spiders in there haha

[teal timber]

(also welcome to the secret first-playthrough shadow government if you haven't already been here before)
(if you're ever unsure of what to say you can ask here)

[teal timber]

There aren't, but they just finished wandering around the Citadel without a proper light

[gilded smelt]

Ohhh

thats scary

really really scary

[teal timber]

yes

[gilded smelt]

If i was that panicked i'd pick up a lantern mouse

[teal timber]

very fun read

Ready your popcorn 🍿

[gilded smelt]

the unforgiving rain:

[teal timber]

prospects of entering the chamber on a starve cycle are non-zero...

(Try to contain your sadness if they do end up injuring Looks to the Moon )

[sour bear]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933882059880030218/1240724542796730378/Appetizer.mp4?ex=6977aac6&is=69765946&hm=9f521d2c026df9bbe4e2bafbb6d70550ad0cd6c32ef4d7704d87fec3f9072bed&

[teal timber]

[gilded smelt]

It will be very silly i did that too on my first playthrough

[sour bear]

I hope they'll navigate this chamber faster now they know how to reach the exit

[teal timber]

Have they discovered water popcorn? I'm not sure they have.

chances of eating the things out of necessity are pretty high I think

oop nevermind

[sour bear]

#1456460010916675826 message
does ollie have downpour enabled? theres a pipe at the top of moons chamber

[teal timber]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Is that actually MSC-exclusive?

[sour bear]

im pretty sure it is

[teal timber]

huh

[quasi stirrup]

there is a pipe there in vanilla too

[teal timber]

oh cool OK

[quasi stirrup]

if it has a connection though it's msc exclusive though

me when i say though twice

[teal timber]

that's a neat detail, really

[teal timber]

I do that all the time

[quasi stirrup]

sometimes say anyway twice in one sentence too

[teal timber]

I might be an LLM

[gilded smelt]

Only if theres the pipe transition in the map

But otherwise the puppet chamber always had it

[teal timber]

I write each part of my messages with very little regard to the other parts

[quasi stirrup]

needs more em dashes

[sour bear]

oh

[teal timber]

I use regular dashes because I'm lazy
but in the same way

[nimble nymph]

Oh no..

[verbal pelican]

i love changed tenses

[teal timber]

yeah exactly

and I edit my messages a lot before sending them

... and after sending them

[gilded smelt]

im the typa guy to send the stupidest stuff ever and realize after sending and edit it to make it clear

[teal timber]

so then they get weird tense issues because the first half wasn't written with the second half in mind and vice versa

[gilded smelt]

english isnt even my main language

[teal timber]

See so you have an excuse

[gilded smelt]

and i do it in my native language too

[verbal pelican]

i'm this but i dont' ever realize

[gilded smelt]

Ahahaha but i always have the problem

[tranquil mulch]

#1456460010916675826 message this earlier screenshot shows that Remix is disabled

[gilded smelt]

Good i love VANILLA rain world and the punishment it has

[teal timber]

Huh? Why?

[gilded smelt]

I dont like the lil tutorials personally

[quasi stirrup]

sometimes i completely forget how to convey my words properly too and things come off unintentionally

[teal timber]

OH no PPWS

[tranquil mulch]

wanderer pips are coloured only with Remix enabled

[verbal pelican]

no colored passage pips right

[teal timber]

ah I see

[verbal pelican]

that's why you saw That One Status.

[tranquil mulch]

passage progress without survivor can be enabled or disabled so it doesn't show Remix being disabled

[teal timber]

yeah but why would they

[tranquil mulch]

there are a bunch of people I've seen that have it disabled

[quasi stirrup]

it's in my screenshot album forever

[teal timber]

(I mean, they haven't said anything about tinkering with Remix settings)

[gilded smelt]

have they been to.. shaded?

[nimble nymph]

Yes.

[gilded smelt]

oh dayum

i wonder what path they'll take now

it could be even climbing up the wall and not knowing how the hell get up that pipe LOL

[teal timber]

Their route was Subterranean -> Shoreline (very quickly found gate to the Citadel) -> wandering around in the Citadel without light -> Shoreline (because told them to)

[gilded smelt]

Theyve never seen GW then

[teal timber]

might skip it given they'll probably be led back to the Citadel now

[gilded smelt]

thats a possible path he might take

also tru

[sour bear]

they went friggin outskirts -> farm arrays because yes thats why

[teal timber]

now that actually wants them to go to the Citadel they'll show them how to get a lantern

so I think it'll work out neatly

[gilded smelt]

oh yehyeh

[quasi stirrup]

first time ive seen someone take a path like this 🥹

[sour bear]

they will?

[teal timber]

yeah

[gilded smelt]

Wait we only can hope since they havent been thru the "these pearls are valued by the scavs"

[sour bear]

it didnt show me how to pick up a lantern

[teal timber]

there's a little pearl pit at the entrance and they put up a hologram to explain it

[gilded smelt]

oh good YEAH

i remember

yeah yeah

[teal timber]

(and of course there's a merchant nearby)

[gilded smelt]

the one with nitecat

(my goat)

[teal timber]

also looks like they don't wanna try eating the things

[quasi stirrup]

the rain world is healing

[gilded smelt]

I will forever wonder nightcat's journey haha

[quasi stirrup]

they listened to moon telling them no

[teal timber]

... but there's also not much food elsewhere unless they figure out they can eat jellyfish, so

[gilded smelt]

i assume it was very similar to surv's though

[sour bear]

or the blue rocks

[gilded smelt]

they have eaten bubble fruits

[sour bear]

not nessessarily, they might not have picked up the neurons anyway

[quasi stirrup]

they accidentally grabbed one recently

[gilded smelt]

yeah i think he assumed they were decorationd

[teal timber]

By this point they've already consumed the water popcorn. There's like two berries at the entrance, and then you have to backtrack all the way to the nearest island to get more.

[sour bear]

where

[quasi stirrup]

in the thread 🥹

[gilded smelt]

my rw playthru was one like the gourmand's, stuff my mouth with anything to see if its edible

[sour bear]

#1456460010916675826 message oh

[sour bear]

aaaaaaaaaaand you ate the neurons im guessing

[gilded smelt]

yes!

[sour bear]

my friend told me not to eat them so i will never know how i would react in that situation....

[gilded smelt]

i was like

ok lets go im full

i was like 12 LOL

i didnt even care for the screaming girl

[teal timber]

I uh

muted the game and ate four

I know

[atomic locust]

I threw rocks at moon to get her to do something after eating the neurons

someone should make an edited version of the flowey ruins dialogue that happens if you kill toriel and then reload the save to spare her but it's the yellow overseer instead
that would be funny I think

[teal timber]

@gilded smelt the last achievement (by which I mean Ascension) has been around 10% for a long time now

so it seems odd that the first one would be that low

[gilded smelt]

LOL yeah! survivor was on like 10% round

dp brought in hella people

[teal timber]

OH true

I joined like six months before Downpour released