Old FP Guide Coordination [Archived]

[sour bear]

yeah????

apparently so

[quasi stirrup]

all kinds except ones with raisins or cranberries because

only if you want to, you get cult access if you do /silly

mostly everyone has added EVIL to their server nick somehow but if you don't want to that's perfectly okay ngl

[grave stag]

my nick is already long, just imagine adding evil in it makes it even longer ;-;

[grave token]

Oh peak🥹

[sacred fox]

This time of season we now have ginger and mint cookies, and pumpkin pie too

[onyx laurel]

Oooh deicious

I have a friend who recently started playing RW, and I watched their play last night. They have max negative rep with Scavs, so watching them have to deal with kill squads was quite funny.

[crude jetty]

They'll probably enjoy Artificer.

[onyx laurel]

Almost certainly

[quasi stirrup]

van princess shardied EVIL (it's okay welcome to evil club)

[quasi stirrup]

these sound so good

[onyx laurel]

I'm not a first time helper...but I can be like an evil henchscug and get the cookies right?

Also uhh, what character is that next to the 'first time playthrough helpers' The role emoji

[quasi stirrup]

all the helper roles have their own little unique slugcat characters to them

@ashen drift talk so you can show off your chalvers icon

the first playthrough one looks like this though

modding helpers have their own, challenge verifiers have their own, etc

[ashen drift]

Hi rattuse!

[quasi stirrup]

hi again manngo

[quasi stirrup]

and yeah of course!!

you don't have to be a helper to spread evil

[onyx laurel]

The karma flower aesthetic reminds me of this one. #rw-oc-gallery★ message

[quasi stirrup]

ocs with karma flower aesthetics are so cool

i think gameplay helpers have one too

just an ear flower though i guess

[onyx laurel]

I just only have back tentacles.

I was laughing when I played saint and was like hey, I guess I predicted an ability

[grave stag]

karma flowers are such a pretty things

[onyx laurel]

Cept grapple tongue instead of tentacles

So when are each of the helpers getting their own modded campaign?

:3

[quasi stirrup]

they do have a DMS skin pack

[grave stag]

wait till 2030 and I will get there

[quasi stirrup]

i don't know code though so felper mod is nonexistent if i were to make one

[grave stag]

atleast on my playthough speed :p

[onyx laurel]

I need to do a dms of tether

[ashen drift]

Would you like to learn?

[grave stag]

tbh it's just waiting till grind hits again which will lead me to play too much rainworld :D

[grave stag]

was rw codebase C# or C++?

[ashen drift]

I don’t know anything

I guess i know c++ and the very basics of c#

Randi detected

[tranquil mulch]

it's a Unity game on PC, and Unity is written in C++ but uses C# in its script files

and on console it's more directly written in C++

[grave stag]

so c languages so not too painful for beginners

[tranquil mulch]

scripts are compiled into CIL, however, so no trace of C# remains in the final product

[grave stag]

I still remember the few years of suffering with decades old java and php code bases >_<

[tranquil mulch]

you can technically made RW mods in any language that compiles into CIL, but you'll run into a hard time if you do it in anything other than C#

[onyx laurel]

Sometimes I think I want to learn to code. Times when I get to play with python at work are def very engaging for me. But time...stained glass, art, games, TTRPGs...Just need to quit my job I guess :P

[quasi stirrup]

sure

[grave stag]

I can be coding rubber duck (I know thing or two can might be able to help with debugging but I am trash at writing code even tho I am decent at reviewing it :p)

[ashen drift]

Well I don’t know much

[onyx laurel]

Is there a post with all the R/W discord official OCs?

I see wiki also gets one, so its not just helpers

[quasi stirrup]

i don't think so, but i know all of them at least

event helpers, modded helpers, gameplay helpers, art helpers, story helpers, fp helpers, challenge verifiers, vc helpers, community helpers i think

and wiki rollbackers is something you can apply for in the same way as a helper

[quasi stirrup]

@atomic locust hiya kalum do you know anything about this

[onyx laurel]

Awww, I just wanted to see all the cute scugs

[atomic locust]

not reeeeaaally? I think there may be one of helpercats+courier

[silver musk]

@sacred fox sprinkles alived

[quasi stirrup]

sprinkles finally took a nap after two weeks

[silver musk]

just ping me, shadow or randi whenever she sleeps on the watch again

[tranquil mulch]

oops, I think I forgot to ctrl + b and d after tmux attaching and putty eventually crashed

[sacred fox]

I was so confused like "...Did I do something wrong"

[sour bear]

isnt unity for 3D games tho???

[fresh atlas]

you can use unity for 2d games (source: i am doing that in my game design class)

[modest mural]

"why just be nice to spear guys, why not be nice to everything" is this good?

[grave token]

For what?

What's the context of this

Also typically it's discouraged among us to try to influence people's ways of playing Rain World, let people play how they want /nm

[modest mural]

I want to imply that things other than scavs have a reputation system

[grave token]

Has the OP figured it out themself?

If not, I generally wouldn't recommend implying things like that

[modest mural]

ok thanks for the help

[grave token]

If you have any other questions, feel free to ask

And if I may ask, which thread specifically was that message for?

[modest mural]

slug doesn't pay taxes and gives the money to the homeless instead

[radiant night]

best rule of thumb is if they didnt ask dont tell

[sacred fox]

Also please take a look at the pins in this thread here, I'm not sure if we've pointed you to those yet

[atomic locust]

@vocal token if you wanna give input, the three ideas I was floating were

1. ban all dp content in #1342915289595248701
2. spoiler all dp content there
3. add a downpour spoilers tag

I think we're going with 3

[vocal token]

i was typing this out in the other channel but ill just paste it here
idk honestly i think downpour could just be allowed in with a spoiler tag

so 3 yeah

[atomic locust]

3 would mean no spoiler tags required even

I think we could also do a hybrid of 2+3 but ultimately it shouldnt be necessary

[quasi stirrup]

the ping in watcher server challenges is so funny

[verbal pelican]

i’d be fine with merging downpour and watcher first playthroughs at this point

[quasi stirrup]

felper rwsc migration

[twin ridge]

Damn that was meant to be a joke
Didn't realise other people were considering the idea

[vocal token]

hmm

[quasi stirrup]

i think this would be a bad idea at least right now

[verbal pelican]

ture

[modern harness]

Thats a horrible idea

[verbal pelican]

players are bound to attempt to connect watcher’s lore with downpour’s

and vice versa

[twin ridge]

Ahhh we merge it with vanilla first playthroughs

[lyric moss]

I don't think that really a good thing though

[verbal pelican]

it requires one extra tag and frees up entire channel

[quasi stirrup]

i would have no way of knowing personally what is watcher and what is msc when getting felper pinged

[modern harness]

Lore is a different matter from gameplay tho

[quasi stirrup]

yeah

[modern harness]

"dlc-first-playthroughs" doesnt exactly tell helpers if they cna help or are at risk of being spoiled

[verbal pelican]

ture also

i thought felpers would be expected to have completed all dlcs but like. idk

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1227293346406465588/1227293346653933609/3452.gif

[modern harness]

No..?

[quasi stirrup]

not all of us have the time

and console was and still is very buggy i'm pretty sure

[twin ridge]

Even if that did become a requirement for new fphelpers, there's still a ton of older ones that haven't done it yet

[sour bear]

Yeah but like. Ruffles

[quasi stirrup]

halves

[verbal pelican]

it also increases the risk of some random person who has no idea what the rules are barging into someone’s thread and spoiling the dlc they aren’t playing

[quasi stirrup]

me too actually because i lost motivation to play watcher rn

[verbal pelican]

maybe this idea could be consdiered later

changed my mind on thinking it was good though i am just a sucker for having everything in one place

[sour bear]

Meanwhile my threads:

[vocal token]

yeah this

[verbal pelican]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1170193600190099592/1180762067892977664/no_sighted_porls_3514_and_looks_for_porls_1775.gif

[vocal token]

i think downpour content would be allowed in the actual threads as long as its spoilered but msc and watcher should stay seperate

[atomic locust]

ooooooooooooooooooooo

[modern harness]

No

[sour bear]

Wait is the guy on the right the scav that dances In front of hunter with the Pokémon music over it

[atomic locust]

my evil ambitions

[modern harness]

No

[verbal pelican]

yeah their name is looks for porls

[atomic locust]

ANYONE THAT DOES FIRST PLAYTHROUGH GUIDING CAN ANSWER THIS

[lyric moss]

I almost answered before remembering I'm not a fpelper 🥹

[verbal pelican]

this feels like a fixing what’s not broken thing but then i also think it’s not awful

[atomic locust]

oh I should've clarified

[vocal token]

idk this is like such a niche scenario but someone that hasn't finished downpour could encounter spoilers in . whatever

[verbal pelican]

i’m close enough to a felper

[atomic locust]

it's for everyone

[sour bear]

She's gonna have to wait until at least she beats most characters lol

[atomic locust]

if you fpelp you are a fpelper

the term I use is guide

but I just forgot to here 🙂

[lyric moss]

Ahh, makes sense.
I haven't been that active with fpelping in a long while, though

[vocal token]

yeah i guess so idk if the concept is like anythign worth consideirng

[atomic locust]

@vocal token can I explode the two messages between the poll and my clarification that you have

just so people are more likely to see it

[vocal token]

i guess

[sour bear]

💥 💥 💥 💥 💥

[atomic locust]

I'll take it

[modern harness]

I will forever fight against a single fp forum I just dont think its a good idea

[vocal token]

i wish it was a lot easier to move a thread over from one forum to the other

or like possible i mean

[sour bear]

Oh yeah we had a similar discussion about that a while ago...

[verbal pelican]

pros and cons of the unified fp thread system

pros

• frees up channel space
• migration is significantly easier
• more freedom for first playthroughers

cons

• limits the amount of felpers that can actually do their job
• creates a rift between the formatting of the fp threads and the formatting of the rest of the server; likelihood of a first playthrougher getting spoiled by someone who didn’t read the rules increased
• harder to tell exactly what a thread has spoilers for

if anyone has anything to add lmk

[quasi stirrup]

harder for felpers to differentiate between threads ex msc/vanilla/watcher

[sour bear]

Would likely cause OPs to draw lore connections between watcher/downpour

[quasi stirrup]

even if tags are used, they're absolutely awful to view and suddenly switching a thread's topic means someone is bound to get soiled if they didn't know

[modern harness]

Cant just look at the channel name to see what spoilers are allowed and viewing tags sucks

[sour bear]

Let's unity every channel in the server in 1 channel

[quasi stirrup]

and people are already kinda bad at switching tags when they start other slugcat campaigns

[sour bear]

Yrue

[twin ridge]

I support this

[quasi stirrup]

just keep offtopic genderal

[verbal pelican]

now this is a good idea

[sour bear]

So it sounds like the unified fp threads is a resounding no but what about the spoiler policy???? How much are downpour spoils allowed in watcher thread and vice versa

[quasi stirrup]

i like the idea of a tag

[lyric moss]

I think options 2 or 3 depending on the individual thread would work

[quasi stirrup]

or just having them spoiler marked yeah

[lyric moss]

tag in title or first message, or spoiler marked, depending on someone's preference

[verbal pelican]

that creates a lot of the same problems as the unified thread thingy

[quasi stirrup]

it's more like

[verbal pelican]

spoiler marked would be hard to enforce

[quasi stirrup]

watcher playthrough forums for watcher campaign playing only, but a tag highlights the fact there will be spoilers for downpour lore/story/potential content

it's hard to keep track of in general but i have seen in the past people put a general warning in their first thread message if there will be dp soils

[verbal pelican]

this is absolutely a stretch but how about putting something in the title that indicates what spoilers will be in the thread

just throwing an idea out there so others can build off of it

[sour bear]

How many ransoms do you think will actually do this🥹

[verbal pelican]

[WDV] thread name thread name

[lyric moss]

Better idea: Tags that do the same

[quasi stirrup]

that just seems like a tag would do the same purpose

yeah

[verbal pelican]

it makes it easier to tell at a glance

[lyric moss]

I have like no more space in my thread name (and do that in my first message anyway)

Could probably condense it to make it all more visible at once, actually

[verbal pelican]

probably none but that’s what felpers are here for /silly

[quasi stirrup]

there's only two watcher tags

[sour bear]

It does but like. We are already having to .repost like so many people

[verbal pelican]

all of these ideas just seem directly worse than the divided fp system

the system we have currently i mean

might just be resistance to change though

[quasi stirrup]

yeah first message is what most people have been doing

[verbal pelican]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1170193600190099592/1180762067892977664/no_sighted_porls_3514_and_looks_for_porls_1775.gif

[quasi stirrup]

i don't think making people have their thread name a certain way is going to work

mainly because how do you enforce it when 99% of people don't read the guidelines

[verbal pelican]

didn’t think so but

[atomic locust]

I can understand the pushback (particularly on the front of a vanilla merger), but I do think a DLC one would work well enough down the line when the fpelpers are all fully spoilered

future-proofing™

[verbal pelican]

yeah can we like. not merge all three

vanilla and dlc channel was what i was talking about initially

[lyric moss]

Very true, plus tags would be a lot more intuitive than putting stuff in title because then you could just choose what applies, rather than expecting people to write the title in a specific way

[sour bear]

But.. ruffles!!

[quasi stirrup]

i still don't like the idea of merging even dlcs

[verbal pelican]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1227293346406465588/1227293346653933609/3452.gif

[quasi stirrup]

there are going to be new felpers

[verbal pelican]

yeah like me

[sour bear]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1395443890248618045/1405368075338911854/7977577_boogie.gif

[quasi stirrup]

completing like vanilla and two dlcs is a lot to do

especially as a new player

[verbal pelican]

i feel like almost every felper has done that or will eventually do that

[modern harness]

Felpings being fully soilered doesnt matter when new people inevitably join

Its blocks off an entire 2 dlcs

In one channel

[quasi stirrup]

pink has never finished msc iirc

[modern harness]

Both of which are significantly large in size compared to vanilla

[quasi stirrup]

i have never finished saint

[verbal pelican]

i’m mainly worried about con 2

[quasi stirrup]

halves, ruffles, and many others have not finished watcher

[sour bear]

Yeah he told me something like this

[quasi stirrup]

i don't think you can generalize all felpers having completed everything because it's not true

[modern harness]

There will always be someone that hasnt completed everything its jsut not feasible for the entire role to have done everything

[quasi stirrup]

yeah

[lyric moss]

Bit late, but tbh I wish there didn't have to be a whole split with DLCs, since that whole situation has devolved into a situation where the original devs expanding the story is only seen as questionably canon because of the very much not-in-the-same-canon dlc existing alongside it, and resulting in a pick-and-choose situation in terms of canon (compared to other games where DLCs are more direct and official continuations of what's already there with less question of canon)

Also yup, the new people situation would be a whole thing, agreed

[sour bear]

That's an issue on the Devs side that we can't fix lol

[quasi stirrup]

it is definitely unfortunate though

[lyric moss]

True, it's just something I wanted to personally express about the whole thing

[sour bear]

Ye

[quasi stirrup]

people forget msc is an AU

[sour bear]

It's an unfortunate development

[lyric moss]

Making Downpour a DLC as-is was certainly one of the decisions of all time

But that's a different topic

[modern harness]

Watcher being mostly partially og dev-made but also mod made doesnt help its canonicity

[verbal pelican]

i never take msc into consideration whenever i say some random thing about lore so when i get blasted with msc disproves that then

[sour bear]

I love msc

[verbal pelican]

unrelated to anything

msc removes a lot of the room for interpretation
i don’t hate it but i do like my crackpot theories

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1177646392034983966/1177646392395706409/638122.gif

[lyric moss]

I see the original devs involvement as the deciding factor, the unofficial stuff is more fine with me as a dev approved thing

[lyric moss]

Honestly understandable, liking it is still valid!

[sour bear]

NNNOOOOOOOO PIZZAS

[lyric moss]

whuh

[quasi stirrup]

i also like msc it's really fun

just i ignore the lore because it's messy when you actually focus on it

[sour bear]

Yay

[lyric moss]

I think I've realized over time that I don't really vibe with the idea of an expansion specifically about overexplaining the lore (especially something unofficial, which therefore doesn't have internal lore knowledge), but it does do cool and impressive things (ESPECIALLY for something unofficial, which doesn't have direct internal game developer knowledge!)

But ANYWAY, the threads situation!

"FP threads situation is crazy"

[quasi stirrup]

better idea

bring back the old first playthrough channels in archive /silly

[sour bear]

We move all fp helping to #server-announcements

[lyric moss]

We announce every message about felping to the entire server from now on

[verbal pelican]

@ everyone Try grabbing, throwing, eating, stabbing, and storing everything you find!

[lyric moss]

@­everyone What do we tell this person about [every spoiler imaginable]

Spoiler blast everyone like Akupara did with those Watcher merch announcements that one time 🥹

[sour bear]

I was gonna say spoiler or off topic genderal or something but server announcements came up in the channel link thingy and I thought that was funnier

[verbal pelican]

online safety

scav gaming

[sour bear]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1271581337287004190/1271581384477245581/21220.gif

[lyric moss]

rules

RULE 22: Try grabbing, throwing, eating, stabbing, and storing everything you find!

[sour bear]

Rule 836517836: I found a scav in this pipe, he ran away

[lyric moss]

Rule 999999999999: If someone's stuck during the ending sequence in the void sea at the end of the Depths past Filtration System in Subterranean in the bottom left part of the map after getting pulled down by the void worm and is swimming down endlessly and is open to help, feel free to ask them if they want help and then let them know to swim in the direction of the light to trigger the ending cutscene

[atomic locust]

like, new fpelpers or just new players in general?

'cause I could understand the former but I personally don't think there's any huge risk of people getting spoilered by thread names with how diligent the title changes and stuff have been

I don't think it's a super necessary change though

moreso something to consider to a DLC3 future

[modern harness]

New felpers

[sour bear]

This is very far in advance

[verbal pelican]

i hope there’s no dlc 3

[sour bear]

I hope watcher / MSc developers learn mistakes from their DLCs and can make a great 3rd

[atomic locust]

by that I meant that it's something we could push harder for if that becomes a thing

like, if DLC3 got announced then this would get prioritized more

[atomic locust]

I think the ideal DLC3 would be an interconnected world but just like, a different one. normal world map but Somewhere Else.

[verbal pelican]

a dlc 3 is going to make rain world as a whole cost more than an aaa game

[grave token]

It's also hard to migrate pre-existing threads that are in documentation or are frequently used. Just something I thought of

I'm quite late to this, but I heavily dislike the idea of merging the channels. It's a higher likelihood of people who want to play a specific DLC get spoiled on the other DLC. I think the threads are fine as is, no need to fix the not broken. It would cause more chaos for us Felpers as well because we'd need to keep track of which threads allow what content and things like that.

I still have to back read most of what was said, but of what I have read I didn't really see that second point be brought up

[lyric moss]

all of this exactly

[sour bear]

Nah not really cause AAA games have loot boxes / micro transactions

[crude oxide]

A dlc 3 is going to have loot boxes and micro transactions

[desert relic]

cant wait 🤑

[north mural]

A bit late to discussion, but fp and watcher fp should definitely be merged, but NOT for a while

Like, at least a year, maybe two, amount of time

[Same rationale for why vanilla and dp are merged ofc. After a time it's generally uniform that anyone who's felping and using this thread has long ago finished dp, and eventually that Great Equalizer will pan out for watcher . It's still ages too early for that tho]

[grave stag]

single fp forum sounds okay but I must say give it a long while please give it a while I still have yet to finish 1.5 washer

[sour bear]

tbh im surprised the server relaxed on 1.5 spoilers so fast

[lyric moss]

I don't think I've done even half of the 1.5 stuff, so yeah

Definitely weirdly fast

[grave stag]

I have yet to get out from ||industrial district|| on my watcher 1.5 save so DW you are not alone

[modern harness]

I still feel like we should keep spoilers up for longer

[sour bear]

as someone whos beaten watcher i agree

[onyx laurel]

I think that it makes sense to have a forum for each DLC. Plus, if you have existing threads, merging them really means depicating and archiving some people's threads who may still even be in progress.

[atomic locust]

for the last point in particular, we would do a soft transition by removing the ability to create threads in the forum being archived without removing the ability to speak in them. This would allow people to finish up their things for a few weeks and lower the amount of threads that have to get completely cut off by stopping new ones from being made

youd still have like 5 or so long-term threads by the end, but it would minimize the issue to the maximum extent possible

[onyx laurel]

I mean we have active threads from way back from last year in downpour, so It will still be an issue.

I havcnt peaked into the watcher threads so I cant say in there tbf

[atomic locust]

I will always value a percieved long-term benefit over a short-term shortfall 👻

[onyx laurel]

I mean, I disupte the long term benefit

The expansions are not packaged together, so its easy for people to have one or the other.

[atomic locust]

even if we had to sacrifice 100 threads, id rather get it over with now than spend forever with a worse system

im speaking on principle here, tho. not specifically about this scenario

I just dont like arguments on the difficulty of change being used against change happening whatsoever. I get the other reasons, just not a fan of that type of thing in particular

[onyx laurel]

I mean, I think the specifics matter here over a philisophical maybe.

No, I was not talking about the difficulty of change. I was talking about the devaluing of peoples contributions by making them disapear.

And tossing them into the 'archive' is essentially doing that

Espeically if they're still in progress

[radiant night]

They won’t disappear

You will always have the ability to continue using them and seeing them

I would say if it is a concern of yours to have this method of documentation it may be worth using a different place to store it too
discord isn’t forever and I wouldn’t rely on it to act as a storage facility

[quasi stirrup]

if threads were to be moved or archived people won't have the ability to use them or even see them unless having the archives role, and even then it would be a lot of effort to see a thread unless you remember the thread name

discord isn't forever but it has been existing for quite a time now and likely will be around for much longer

yoku has a point that while i can get trying to prioritize the experience of first playthroughers and moving threads, there will also be first playthroughers who have their own threads here they either reuse (ex. coming back to rw at a later time, rwsc, etc), are unfinished and have to take their time because of obligations, or like to look back on their thread that need to be considered. combining threads is definitely not a win win situation and some people will lose, it's way more than just a handful of people

there are always two sides of the coin i think it's important to consider both

[radiant night]

im not devaluing their points

[quasi stirrup]

yeah don't worry i meant that more in general anyway

[radiant night]

🥹

i do think that change is inevitable and it should be prepared for if it is something that is concerning

same reason why many artists store their art online in multiple places, if you put it all on one website such as toyhouse it may randomly disappear someday
or it could just go out of commission and not be used anymore

deviant art:

[quasi stirrup]

DA... i havent heard that name in years... 🥹

[onyx laurel]

I had to go on there the other day, what a completely awful experience

[quasi stirrup]

is it that bad now

[lyric moss]

what even happened to it 🥹

[onyx laurel]

So they not only embraced AI image generation, but htey have it built in. THe search feature is unusable because keywords are always fuzzy. And you cant do any sorting worth shit.

Also what a post to give me monk

Finally I can stream :3

[lyric moss]

oh dang, that's

Thanks for the finally getting monk role-worthy info

[modern harness]

It appalls me how companies are so stupid to not notice how 90% of people online hate ai

[crude jetty]

I'm 4 levels away from getting .

[sour bear]

I'm 1 level away from getting

[quasi stirrup]

i'm 26 levels away from getting

[modern harness]

Im 14 away from

[silver musk]

5 levels from

see ya in 2 years 🥹

[modern harness]

So ture

[silver musk]

the last 5 levels took me more than half a year

[modern harness]

Would hanging out in vcs speed that up even slightly or do you have to actively be talking n stuff to get xp

[sour bear]

Watcher is unobtainable

It's a myth role invented by the peanut god

I'm sleedrunning hunter atm

Guys what should be my nickname when I get the next Gaius play level up message

[foggy quartz]

the silliest of the tankiums

[radiant night]

They use art people post to train the ai

It sucks

[sour bear]

Dam

[north mural]

This shit sucks

[gray musk]

imo, AI is a good direction to go in, but most people don't really know how to use it effectively, and companies put it in places it doesn't belong.

[strong hemlock]

[onyx laurel]

The VC rules say that you dont have to be talking, but it has to be a channel >3 people

[strong hemlock]

Ai takes so much water and energy to run they estimate by 2027 it will have used 1 trillion gallons of water

Actively killing the planet guys dont support ai 🙏

[gray musk]

This is actually interesting. How can you use up water? You can't really destroy it, so how can it be used?

[onyx laurel]

For one aquifers absolutely can be used up, they're just pools of water that many are depleting faster than they refill. 2, water cycle is a global thing, but in local areas some places get more water than others.

Water in an area can be used up, when its not distributed there trhough natural cycles as fast as its consumed. That was a big part of, for example, califfornia's drought.

[north mural]

A valid question to ask. Essentially water that's used up by industrial processes isn't going to feed back into the water cycle just like that. It exacerbates a number of problems such as seasonal rain regions and the chemical pollution of water, and the output of this is reservoirs getting depleted faster than thet regenerate, and in a lot of the world this is a catastrophic situation

It's also not just a 3rd world sort of issue, even the US is grappling with an ongoing water crisis

[onyx laurel]

Ya, here in florida for example, we're risking hitting the catastrophy of our aquifer getting so low we end up with saltwater incursion, which will just destroy it permenantly.

[gray musk]

Ahh. Well, that is the problem of bad data-centre placement. Also, for cooling there shouldn't be any chemical pollution.

[north mural]

Another big element's that ai infrastructure can ONLY use freshwater

Which is less than 1% of the planet's water, and the one we depend on for survival and daily use

[gray musk]

Huh. I assume it has something to do with salt crystallization?

[onyx laurel]

Data centers arent 'placed' through any real process though. We dont have any sort of planned economy.

THey just go mostly where energy is the cheapest.

[north mural]

I do concede that the water issue is a smaller elephant in the room though due to the technically perpetual preservation of water. The bigger elephant is the electricity one.

[gray musk]

Electricity is always a problem.

[onyx laurel]

Electricity is certainly the biggest problem. We're starting up old dirty plants once again to feed this need, and basically ruining all gains that were made in green electrification.

[north mural]

Ai has been chugging obscene amounts of electricity, enough to have its own bars in the graphs of national energy consumptions; and electricity is a finite resource indeed. That is until we convince very capital-obsessed national govts to make the switch of course to nuclear/solar/wind

[gray musk]

We could have been off fossil ages ago if we wanted to.

[north mural]

And that's upsettingly slim

[onyx laurel]

depends on the 'we' in question

Green electrification generally has majority support.

But that's not really reflected in governmental actions

[verbal pelican]

oh that’s just awesome

i knew ai’s water usage was horrible but not that horrible

ai isn’t even that cool why are we so enthusiastic about it that we continue to use it even in spite of the consequences

[gray musk]

I am extremely frustrated by how much people resist Nuclear power. Germany decommissioned all of their reactors, which is just silly.

[verbal pelican]

nuclear power is better than whatever we have going on right now

which is not a very high bar but still

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1343668584119009442/1437316832959664189/WhipperSpin.gif

[gray musk]

Nuclear is very good. The biggest downside is probably the waste, but it's tiny compared to what we already make, and iirc it's still better than fossil.

[north mural]

Nuclear power is like legitimately better than even solar, which sounds crazy to say.l but is true. The energy profit versus amount of room/resources needed or the pollution caused is just disproportionately incredible. Nuclear is a miracle

[verbal pelican]

definitely better than fossil

should we even be discussing this here

[gray musk]

AI is cool. It allows you to get a quick summary of a topic that would take hours to research yourself. The problem is the way most people use it.

[onyx laurel]

A summary that's wrong at least 20% of the time

[verbal pelican]

call me a nerd but i think researching something yourself is a lot more fun than just asking chatgpt

[onyx laurel]

AI's water usuage is honestly quite small on the scale of nationally. Its .01% of us annual water usage. Aggricultural wastage is much higher. I always think bringing that up is a bit overblown.

The electricity and silicon is way worse.

(That said locals where data centers exist, it does acount for 25%+ of the local's water usage, putting heavy strain on local systems.)

[gray musk]

We will need solar in the end, as nuclear isn't renewable, but it's an upgrade.

[onyx laurel]

I mean nuclear is essentially renewable.

[north mural]

Ai's tendency to fumble is a dealbreaker for me with regards to using it as a research tool, it's unable to abstractly interpret a source text like a human brain and will get thrown off by unconventional wordings or by the algorithm snagging unrelated stuff by accident with keywords

Nuclear technically is finite but it'll last us very long. Potentially millennia. Whereas fossil fuels will run out while all of us here are still alive

[verbal pelican]

the fact that it’s a huge hassle to recycle the water used by ai is pretty bad though
but i’m sure the same applies to some other water usage things too

[gray musk]

Depends on the topic, and 20% is wildly inaccurate.

[verbal pelican]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1232903689065336892/1232903690109718538/5758_5.gif

[onyx laurel]

I've only found it useful for fictional things, like helping to flesh out a tabletop campaign. (Not design the campaign mind you, just like, helping to fill gaps and stufff.) Generating names, etc

[onyx laurel]

Ah you're right, I was sadly mistaken. Bump that up to 25%
https://www.tomsguide.com/ai/study-finds-chatgpt-5-is-wrong-about-1-in-4-times-heres-the-reason-why

[verbal pelican]

imo ai should be used for mundane and/or dangerous tasks and maybe supplement creative stuff without replacing it entirely (i sound like i’m 5 saying this 🥹)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1167520465384910879/1172702599200374835/5872.gif

[onyx laurel]

In general that applies to all water usage. The idea is that most of the water in teh water cycle doesnt make it back to where it was initially used.

[north mural]

Solar is really touchy, I've had a bumpy relationship with how to view it, at face value it's absolutely perfect in that it harvests an untapped eternal energy source from the heavens and with absolute zero waste output. The big catch is that it needs a lot of surface area to yield the same result as the other ways, probably the most out of all of them in the world.

So it's a huge infrastructural expense and involves razing a lot more wildland to the ground, not the most green after all.

If we built an orbital solar panel disco orb tho

Would solve everything

[onyx laurel]

Depends, supplemental roof solar is pretty good. That space already exists.

Stuff like desert solar is not the worst.

[verbal pelican]

different energy sources require different places to be the most efficient so a mix would be ideal methinks

[verbal pelican]

yes this

[onyx laurel]

Funny things like solar windows are neat too, for large glass buildings, essentially taking the place of tinting.

[verbal pelican]

slap solar panels onto random flat spaces (with sunlight) and you’re using them wellish

[north mural]

Deserts are still an overlooked ecosystem that faces a lot of its own damage but it is true l am more worried about the rainforest than a desert in the end

[onyx laurel]

Though those are still mostly lab exercises

There are agricultural crops that do well with Solar. Aggrovoltaics

Once again, thats land that's already spoiled for ecosystems.

[gray musk]

cool article, but it doesn't really do anything to back up that claim, and I can say that from my experience the 1 in 4 figure is definitely wrong.

[onyx laurel]

'From my experience' Cool trust me bro.

Compared to sources cited in article: https://arxiv.org/abs/2509.04664

[gray musk]

Might be my use case, but it is rarely incorrect from my experience. Again, might be my use case and also potentially just prompting. idk.

[onyx laurel]

Just remember that we're really bad at detecting bad information, when its presented confidently when its outside our field off expertise. Its just a standard cognitive bias wired in. So going with your gut on something being right is not great.

And if you're taking time to verify, then you probably could have done the research in teh first place.

In which case using AI is wasting your time

[gray musk]

Verifying info you already have is often easier than finding the info in the first place. Depends a lot on what you're doing though.

[quasi stirrup]

do know that sometimes AI will verify information without it actually being correct though

[karmic leaf]

wow ai talk in fp guide coordination

[quasi stirrup]

AI is trained to respond based on the user after all, that's why it's terrible to use in place of a therapist for example

[verbal pelican]

AI Guide Coordination

[quasi stirrup]

are we... AI...

[foggy quartz]

perhaps

[verbal pelican]

yeah ai will basically always say that you’re right if you say you are it’s made to please you

[quasi stirrup]

i prefer researching for myself anyway, it's more fun that way

[verbal pelican]

this this this

[quasi stirrup]

you find out a lot more

even if it's more time consuming

[verbal pelican]

yeees slugheadnod

using the first random site you find will probably be more reputable than ai

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1343668584119009442/1437316832959664189/WhipperSpin.gif

[quasi stirrup]

what would my life be without going down a rabbit hole in internet research because one article mentioned this one interesting topic i had never heard before

[quasi stirrup]

literally 🥹

[karmic leaf]

the newer models have reasoning capabilities and don't do it anymore or do it much less

[onyx laurel]

They have chain of thought capabilities, but I'm not sure I'd call that reasoning. If th ey had reasoning capabilities they wouldnt fail at math.

Which I dont actually undestand why all these AI companies have such a hard time with the idea of plugging in natural language questions into things that are better suited.

If someone asks a math question, call a calculator API.

If someone calls for text generation on an image, instead of generating the text, call an API that places text so that it can be sensical.

[north mural]

The moral of the story's that five pebbles is unethical and gave faulty and enablering advice to his residents

[radiant night]

discord decided to call you a spammer right in front of my eyes 😭

"hide messages from likely spammer?"

[onyx laurel]

It literally just kicked me and made me redo my password @_@

Thats the second time in the last 2 weeks.

wtf

[radiant night]

oh thats why LOL

[onyx laurel]

I think both times have happened almost immidiately after this server flagged something I said as a nono word xP

One of them just using # formating in my thread

[radiant night]

maybe someone is spam guessing passwords for your account or something

please refrain from that it makes me uncomfortable

[onyx laurel]

Alright bad joke xP Seemed relevant in light of the discussion

[radiant night]

i think when you are referring to game lore it is a more grey area but like most things in the server if someone expresses discomfort then there are problems (if you ignore it)
i am no expert on the intricacies of that rule tho

[onyx laurel]

I mean, even if they were, its randomly generated and 32 characters, so gl with that, +2fa.

Its kinda irritating though.

[radiant night]

i think there is some market for discord badges so could be why
people paying $$$

[sour bear]

Rain world lore

[quasi stirrup]

@strong hemlock nice leaf sheep pfp

little guys

[sour bear]

I keep thinking tanukii is me

[quasi stirrup]

when trying to ping them i typed tank the first time

[sour bear]

Tanukiium

[sour bear]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1295244891559034922/1428382857331605616/Tumblr_l_482457101583525.gif

[quasi stirrup]

tankium takeover

[crude jetty]

The corkscrew maneuver.

[radiant night]

@spiral goblet this is the FP coordination thread! feel free to take a look at the pins in here (since i saw you appear in some of the posts)

[gray musk]

Chatgpt actually does this for some things.

[radiant night]

chatgpt kinda buns

there are better models

After my friend showed me how he uses AI for his job as an engineer i do have more respect for the proper use cases of it. Still requires knowledge to use it properly, can’t just have it do everything

using ai for evil I’ll never condone tho (generating school work answers or just making any form of art)

[karmic leaf]

generating school work answers can help you check your answers after youve done it

[radiant night]

It does suck how much energy it uses and the overall impact it has on the environment but there are many other things we have been doing for a long time that are much worse than what Ai does

[karmic leaf]

as long as you know how to solve the equations yourself and can check it, ai can help you catch mistakes while studying

[radiant night]

That’s okay but also in these cases it’s math or something with a specific answer (and googling would produce the same result as ai)
I mostly am referring to generating writing (I should have specified xd)

[karmic leaf]

oh yeah generating writing is not good 99% of the time

[radiant night]

If you generate an AI paper and turn it in you’re cooked (source: trust me)

[karmic leaf]

i was referring to stuff like math chemistry and physics

[radiant night]

My professor claims AI will sometimes just make up info/sources
Also someone in my class generated a paper that was supposed to be a reflection of working in a specific group. No research required, just personal experience. Needless to say it was very easy to tell it was written by AI

[radiant night]

I agree it is a good tool to quickly check answers and it will be able to explain things in a more streamlined way

[karmic leaf]

yes

[quasi stirrup]

sometimes it's also completely wrong about math too though

i do like the idea of using ai as a tool but it hasn't been used very well as one unfortunately by a lot of people

[radiant night]

If you get into very upper level math yes

Anything below that as long as you’re not using a poopy ai it should be fine

[sour bear]

what if you use a poopy ai in very upper level math

what then

[radiant night]

you fail

[sour bear]

so its not fine

[radiant night]

If you’re taking calculus you shouldn’t need an AI to answer things for you

[sour bear]

but what if calculus is taking me

[radiant night]

Best Strat is schedule a meeting with your professor 💯

[sour bear]

what if i schedule a professor with my meeting by accident instead

[radiant night]

💥

[karmic leaf]

i used ai to help me with differentials i think thats calculus

it worked pretty well

it made some mistakes when i made it solve like 10 equations in 1 prompt

but if i asked 1 by 1 it was always correct

[sour bear]

you know how to do it yourself right? you should do those questions yo urself to see if you can get it

[gray musk]

Whatever it generates can be useful as a starting point/inspiration, but definitely not as something you can just submit.

[quasi stirrup]

yeah i used it for 3d and vector calculus personally and had the same experience

sometimes it would mess up the numbers or use a different process though but i was mainly using it to try to understand what to do

[karmic leaf]

yes i know i just want someone to doublecheck since im a very unattentive person

im the type of person to solve everything correctly but mistype a digit and then struggle to find the mistake for 30 mins

so its helpful for me

[quasi stirrup]

real 🥹

[radiant night]

hi FP guides did you know

[quasi stirrup]

monkwall... eated him

[verbal pelican]

IS THAT MY TAMED SALAMANDER

the monkwall consumes

[sour bear]

No that's your tamed monkwall

[radiant night]

who is salamander?

only monk wall

[verbal pelican]

soilers i think probably

[onyx laurel]

They edited :3

[radiant night]

if they didnt edit it would be soiler

[midnight plinth]

#1409083596731318372 message

By the time spearmaster is over they’ll be checking every roof for dropwigs

[forest flax]

i check roofs for dropwigs in outskirts during survivor all the time

its instinct

[crude jetty]

A room with 4 dropwigs.
I know the exact room they're talking about just from that description.

Outskirts really has a pest problem.

[onyx laurel]

I still usually die to the first dropwig in an area upon transition >.>

And then I'm like oh ya, those exist here, right.

[forest flax]

su_b04

[sour bear]

Yeah it's the iconic one

It's lots of people's first multi screen eoom

Unless the tutorial room counts...?

[crude jetty]

I don't think so. One of the first, yes, but not the first. I think most first players tend to go towards the eastern side and enter SU_B07.

[midnight plinth]

The one on the east or west of outskirts

[sour bear]

ah well it was mine lol

[onyx laurel]

Mine that I recall is the flat roofless outskirts area with lots of vertical poles and lizards

[lyric moss]

My first multi-screen room was the one that Survivor starts in

[gray musk]

My first multi-screen room was SB_L01. /j

[sour bear]

I'm pretty sure my first multi screen room was somewhere in a region called Rubicon???????

[tranquil mulch]

i'm sure there are some players that had their first multi-screen room in Memory Crypts

[sour bear]

Oh inv starters

Imagine starting with inv

[woeful eagle]

I remember someone who.tried that

I think they went for inv right after survi or in the middle of survi

[crude oxide]

Imagine never playing inv

Couldn't be me

[silver musk]

Play inv. It's fun

No joking

[crude oxide]

What's fun to you may be not fun to me

[onyx laurel]

I have been enjoying it

[onyx laurel]

@radiant night nit gonna clutter the thread

I did not screenshot it at the time. I had to install scorerizer to go back to see it for my screenshot on my personal server thread . So I guess I imagined it.

I screen shotted it after feeling sad about not doing so with the splash post arty (my second scug)

[radiant night]

Yep scorescreens don’t exist in vanilla for monk/surv

[onyx laurel]

Huh

[radiant night]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1439469164770103399 did OP lock this themself or was there a mistake?

[gray musk]

There isn't a mention of why it was locked, so I think we should just unlock it?

[tranquil mulch]

op locked it

[radiant night]

ngl with the amount of people that might randomly go in the post way later and ping op in response to random things, it might have be a good idea for them to lock it anyway

[forest flax]

...glup can we get a blast on this

[sour bear]

the hardest inspector theory i have seen in a while

[desert relic]

[forest flax]

[onyx laurel]

Should this not be bapped? Or is things being in a spoiler make it fine for OPs?

[sour bear]

It's spoil tagged so it's good

[tranquil mulch]

spoil tagging doesn't work for the thread title sometimes, but it always works in the initial message preview

the rationale for No Spoilers In Initial Message is to make looking at the channel list not give any spoilers, and having working tags works for that

[onyx laurel]

Fair enough

[radiant night]

Before .repost was used all the time we would just ask the OP to spoil their message

[gray musk]

Or repost manually. The guidelines actually told to repost even before .repost was a thing!

[quasi stirrup]

yeah i saw more of the manual screenshot the original message and delete it

[sacred fox]

My first thread got manually repost exploded

Speaking of exploding, how we feelin' about "Major NPC" as a spoiler? It feels nondescript enough but at the same time I'd like secondary thoughts https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1440109780470464685

[quasi stirrup]

blast 💥

npcs in rain world are definitely spoilery, many don't even know there's a storyline to the game

[radiant night]

I reposted the message due to discussing interacting with the npc and eating things

[sacred fox]

Sounds good

[grave stag]

wdym? it's just cute cat game without any story

source: trust me

oh cool I have hit max character limit on my username :p

[sour bear]

Agree

[midnight plinth]

i wait in excitement

[sour bear]

Yrue

[dusty jetty]

it'll be so cool

[narrow finch]

cas is gonna love saint

[atomic locust]

wait how hasnt she played saint yet I was not aware of this

[narrow finch]

That's the last scug in msc she has left, she's currently on riv

[atomic locust]

😨

[sour bear]

Cas hasn't had a watch either

[north mural]

She beat riv in like 2 days btw she's in her "messing around for 500 cycles with a bucketlist" phase of the campaign now

She has an active monk playthrough also but l uh, didn't check if she ascended yet

[sacred fox]

Yeah she hasn't, it's on hold currently

[onyx laurel]

@radiant night wanted to ask, what is fine with guiding people into inv?

I mentioned it when they indicated they had finished all campaigns and were wondering what next, along with challenges, server challenges and expedition. Its listed as a tag so its gotta be somewhat public its existence, so I think mentioning it at that point is fine.

What I said about typing a password on the menu was too far I think. I didnt realize that was built into the riddle itself. I thought it was context surrounding the riddle.

Obvs providing the riddle should be fine.

Also damn they figured that out fast.

Apparently they hadnt done hunter, so a bit premature on my part there though

[radiant night]

i havent gone through all the posts and caught up yet and if there is a lot of messages i skim very fast and miss things if someone is asking about inv you can just answer their questions, making sure to get their consent and whatnot for direct explanations

at that point spoilers are less important unless they are set on figuring out the puzzle

i dont know much about the riddles either and from what i hear they are very hard anyway

[onyx laurel]

In this case they didnt strictly know it was a thing. I mentioned its existence when they were at a 'what now, since I've done everything' sort of position.

[onyx laurel]

They figured it out within like 5 minutes of seeing the riddle. I was impressed

[radiant night]

they probably looked it up LOL

its not possible to do in 5 mins

its probably barely possible to even read everything that fast

[onyx laurel]

the riddle is just 4 lines

They could have looked it up, they were onto the dessert and the drone name kinda fast. I suppose they could have played it out for me like they were solving it

./shrug up to them really

I also just looked it up

I'm certain they at least looked up the drone's name

[onyx laurel]

But ya this specificially. Should it never be mentioned unless asked about? Can it be mentioned when someone has finished all other campaigns and they're looking for more but doesnt know specificlaly about it?

[radiant night]

ah im thinking about a longer version that is more clear

again i dont think it is really possible to solve in 5 minutes

[onyx laurel]

I've never given it much thought so idk.

[radiant night]

the general rule in felping is if they dont specifically ask dont state it

[onyx laurel]

Yes I agree

[radiant night]

but if they are looking for something to do you can be vague about it and say there is another campaign or something
but i wouldnt reveal what it is or how to get it until they ask

pretty situational, no definitive answer

[onyx laurel]

I think I followed that. I mentioned there was one other cat, and then they asked further details. Then I gave them the riddle.

Cool ^^

[radiant night]

Sounds good to me

The further people get into the game it matters less to censor those things
At the end of the day inv is a joke campaign

[onyx laurel]

Ye

pretty fun though

honestly grapple worming through the uberhang was amazing

Definitely one of the highlights

[radiant night]

I will play it for the dev commentary someday

And for Pebbsi

[onyx laurel]

I got spoiled a little on the nature of the ending due to reddit :V, but I'm looking forwards to it anyways. Still a difference between the nature of it and actaully seeing it.

This is a funny guess given the nature of the 5pebbles interaction

[radiant night]

Ah it was that one

Yeah I skimmed fast and just didn’t notice anything wrong

[onyx laurel]

I made one mistake there, but on the whole the probably looked up what to do anyways so its kinda moot

[silver musk]

I usually ask them if they want a riddle or an answer the riddle itself is unfair since it requires a bit of in-community knowledge and you aren't expected to solve it on your own

[radiant night]

More reason as to why they did not solve it in 5 minutes

[silver musk]

There's no way someone does that

[onyx laurel]

:P

[tranquil mulch]

consdier: pressing every button on the keyboard at the same time while on the main menu unlocks Inv

I wonder if anyone ever accidentally unlocked Inv that way

[onyx laurel]

:P

[north mural]

On controller waggling left and right a few dozen times supposedly also unlocks inv

The morse code doesn't reset if you input an incorrect direction

So inevitably you build up all the letters of sofanthiel

[silver musk]

I mean it works but calling it "solving the riddle" is a stretch 🥹

also pretty sure yeah. Someone claimed they pressed random buttons and THAT appeared

[sacred fox]

I tested this a while ago and it didn't work 🥹

[radiant night]

A few dozen times may be an understatement

[forest flax]

#1440748263644070041 Light is in Metropolis and still doesn't know about mauling/holding down and bomb jumping, is it an intuitive enough mechanic or do we not tell them?

[verbal pelican]

i’d say give them that if they’re struggling

and spoiler it if you do

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1175744715249946674/1439822488145232013/-19119389734.gif

[radiant night]

Arguably all of this was supposed to be in a arti tutorial that is nonexistent
I second what gobbler says

Be like
Yo I got a tip what will help: ||sometimes there is a tip here and other times there is this text… or are you crazy?||

[forest flax]

i was like
hey mechanic thing that u should probably know ab cuz its useful but im not forcing you to click on this spoiler text if you dont want to: ||the mechanic thing that i put behind the spoiler||

[sour bear]

Metropolis is designed explicitly for the explode jumping tho

It seems he managed to get this far though

[forest flax]

not bomb jumping

[sour bear]

Perhaps he does know about explode jumping but has not talked about it

[forest flax]

but like the onground bomb jumping

like where you stun everything

[sour bear]

Parry?

[forest flax]

is that the name? i guess so

[quasi stirrup]

they use they them pronouns

[forest flax]

oh my gosh im so sorry

[radiant night]

Sounds good

Why was this reposted? #1441164132169678930 message

[quasi stirrup]

pole plant and past tutorial

[radiant night]

I thought things in outskirts are allowed though?

And it’s not clear it’s a pole plant from outside the post itself

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1270823904247546017/1383863543043985619/Outskirts_Guide_2_2.png?ex=6920a3db&is=691f525b&hm=841a746a8574a8bb40f57b1f94578c65cd6c3e8099076c09d8357157e70df1b4&

I guess pole plant isn’t here but still it doesn’t have to be within the tutorial specifically

There are even active posts with scavengers in the first image

[quasi stirrup]

there shouldn't be and those should be reposted if so

[quasi stirrup]

they aren't

it's specifically mentioning outskirts as a region

but not everyone discovers all of outskirts in a first playthrough

[radiant night]

in the pins it says green and pink lizards are allowed

that infographic is from the pinns

[quasi stirrup]

not all things from outskirts are allowed

[radiant night]

scavs are in outskirts

[quasi stirrup]

scavs aren't allowed in first messages because not everyone discovers them or pearls in a first playthrough

in outskirts

[radiant night]

i guess i can go through and spam repost messages that are weeks old atp

[quasi stirrup]

it's been talked before about whether to repost rooms past tutorial and it was agreed to repost blast them just to be safe

[radiant night]

#1270823904247546017 message

infographic was pinned not long ago

[quasi stirrup]

which says that mentioning the region itself is fine

[radiant night]

can you link me to where it was offically said reposting rooms past the tutorial is okay?

[quasi stirrup]

not specifically the rooms or all creatures and items you can find in outskirts

[radiant night]

it says posting green and pink lizards are okay and those are not found in the tutorial rooms

[quasi stirrup]

because you encounter those pretty consistently in all of outskirts

[radiant night]

no where does it say you cannot post images of rooms outside of the tutorial ones

[quasi stirrup]

scavengers and pearls are inconsistent

it was discussed before between ruffles and i and generally it is better to be safe with rooms past the tutorial since not everyone goes the same path imo

[radiant night]

but was it officially stated

i missed that info if it was

[quasi stirrup]

"anything within the Surv/Monk tutorial is fine by default"

[radiant night]

where is that said ?

[quasi stirrup]

the graphic you linked

[radiant night]

but it doesnt say anything beyond that is not allowed

thats where im confused

[vocal token]

When. is it time to tell my friend that their quest to visit moon isn't gonna work out too well on arti

they've been wandering around for a while

[radiant night]

when they find out they cant go there

[quasi stirrup]

tbh if waterfront is making them frustrated and they're going in circles you definitely can

[radiant night]

if they have been all over waterfront almost then yea

[quasi stirrup]

that guideline implies anything within the tutorial is fine but outside of it isn't basically

[vocal token]

They've been everywhere and then reset the file and. yeah

[quasi stirrup]

yeah id tell them

[vocal token]

Ty both

[radiant night]

implies but doesnt specifically state it, if this was something everyone agreed on i think it should be specifically noted somewhere

[quasi stirrup]

you can ping kalum if you think it should be reworded tbh

[radiant night]

if it was only two felpers that agreed on this then no one else is aware of this and that is why i am wanting to know about it

[quasi stirrup]

other felpers do know of this i'm sure and this sort of thing was discussed when the guidelines were being made

[radiant night]

but where

[quasi stirrup]

that's why things like scavs and pearls aren't allowed in starting messages, some of the room in outskirts are easy to miss for a first playthrough

[radiant night]

i would happily read the discussion if you linked it

[quasi stirrup]

i'm kind of busy right now to go look for it

[radiant night]

ping me when you do

i want to be aware of things that i overlook so i can do things properly

[quasi stirrup]

no like i will be busy for awhile so idk if i will have time

or when ill have time

it was a pretty specific conversation I don't even know how id search for it

[radiant night]

@atomic locust are there any specific rules that disallow posting any rooms outside of the tutorial in outskirts? such as SU_A53 and the ones surrounding it? (aka nothing right before a region gate)
in the infographic you created it said posting about green/pink lizards is fine, but i am hearing that posting rooms beyond the tutorial is not. it just feels conflicting to me and i am confused

whole convo above for more context if you need it

sparked by me asking question here (#1270823904247546017 message)
i didnt repost this because it is a room in outskirts and i thought it was okay as is

[ashen drift]

Non felper here, chalver mindset, if its not specifically allowed id err on it being disallowed and its not like you all are invalidating hours of effort like in a challenge, just reposting something,

[radiant night]

i just want to know the specific guidelines, like how you all have specific things that cause you to invalidate something

[verbal pelican]

outside tutorial = BLAST

[radiant night]

otherwise why not just have a bot that automatically reposts every starting message instantly

[radiant night]

i want to see where this was said because i wasnt aware this was the case

[ashen drift]

How would the bot know what is a spoiler or not

[radiant night]

my point is if it isnt a big deal then why not just instantly repost everything to save felpers the work?

[verbal pelican]

it'd look sad with every thread just being "Original message was deleted"

[ashen drift]

Bc we still want people to see thread titles yes

And thumbnails

[radiant night]

titles dont get reposted

[quasi stirrup]

my starting message would get boiled to nothingness

[ashen drift]

Yeah so thats why we wouldn’t have a bot do it

[quasi stirrup]

i love my starting message

[verbal pelican]

a bunch of people put soilers in the title

[radiant night]

yes so i just want to see the specific guidelines again so i know what is/isnt allowed

[verbal pelican]

it is pinned

[radiant night]

in what message does it say things outside the tutorial arent allowed?

[verbal pelican]

messed up

[quasi stirrup]

the guidelines are just specifically what is allowed in a post start, it doesn't specify what isn't since the guidelines are just for what is allowed

[verbal pelican]

it's these and things that are inside the tutorial

[radiant night]

in the infographic you created it said posting about green/pink lizards is fine, but i am hearing that posting rooms beyond the tutorial is not. it just feels conflicting to me and i am confused

[ashen drift]

We say what is allowed rather than everything that isn’t

[verbal pelican]

basically everything outside of the tutorial except pink/green lizards is disallowed

[ashen drift]

Imagine looking through a list of every disallowed mod for rwsc

[radiant night]

so how do you know if you should repost a screenshot of a green/pink lizard or not? any screenshot of them is outside of the tutorial

[quasi stirrup]

hey is warp mod allowed

[verbal pelican]

yeah this system is a little flawed 🥹

[radiant night]

thats my point

[ashen drift]

Yeah the lizard thing caught my eye too

[radiant night]

im not saying you all are wrong im saying i want more specific guidelines

[quasi stirrup]

i think it's specifically for mentions of green and pinks

[radiant night]

or to know where they are

[radiant night]

then shouldnt that be clarified?

[quasi stirrup]

don't ask me

[verbal pelican]

if something has like 2 pixels of an outskirts room in the background of a screenshot

that is going to spoil literally nobody

[ashen drift]

So the screenshots might not fly but saying their names would i guess

[quasi stirrup]

i also see people draw art of green lizards

and put them in the starting message sometimes

[verbal pelican]

me reference

[verbal pelican]

not me referecne

[quasi stirrup]

it's the fact they're okay to mention

not the fact they're outside of the tutorial

[radiant night]

reason why kalum was pinged

[quasi stirrup]

you hsould

[verbal pelican]

i'd say that rooms in outskirts should be okay as long as it's not like a gate room or sometihng

[verbal pelican]

it's not like i can

[quasi stirrup]

it is easy to miss though

it's along the path to drainage and some people just stumble straight to outskirts

also pole plant

[verbal pelican]

i don't think any new player is going to be looking at every screenshot posted with a magnifying glass trying to spoil themself

[radiant night]

to me it makes more sense to allow screenshots of the first few rooms in outskirts, basically anywhere that doesnt transition to a new region

[quasi stirrup]

you'd be surprised

[verbal pelican]

if it contains spoiler creatures then yeah

[radiant night]

thats on them

[verbal pelican]

i'd say pole plants shouldn't be blasted unless they're active

[quasi stirrup]

it's pretty easy to notice them when making a thread for the first time

[verbal pelican]

if they have any red visible on them they should be blasted

[karmic leaf]

wow fp guide coordination is poppin

[radiant night]

my thought and because they didnt say "pole plant" in the message
it was unclear what they meant

[quasi stirrup]

they were implying they didn't know how to get past it in the starting message though

[radiant night]

it wasnt clear they meant the pole plant

[quasi stirrup]

still, one of those cases better safe than sorry

[verbal pelican]

if it's implied to the point of a new player being able to say "wow there's a creature that mimics a pole" then blast it otherwise don't imo

think of it from a new player's perspective

[radiant night]

no one is going to get spoilered off of a out of focus pause screen with poles in the background

[quasi stirrup]

it's pretty easy to tie an image to a description at least for me

[radiant night]

if they are doing that much analysis there are titles that can imply bigger spoilers out there too

[quasi stirrup]

which is just as bad

[ashen drift]

Thats why yall are there

I think

[quasi stirrup]

you think

evil felper spoils everything

[verbal pelican]

[sp[oilers]

i did not mean to replpy

[radiant night]

you can go through and fix those things if you want but it feels nitpicky and it is based on theoretical scenerios where you are assuming that people are analyzing every little detail

[ashen drift]

I analyze every detail for new games involuntarily

[quasi stirrup]

i don't think we should pick and choose just based on what is easy or not to interpret as spoiler content

[quasi stirrup]

and me too

[radiant night]

if thats the case then i think it would be better to not even join the discord for a game if you dont want spoilers imo

[ashen drift]

Yeah thats my thoughts

[ashen drift]

Lets ban people who havent beat the game

[verbal pelican]

i assume this wsa the thing

[quasi stirrup]

people like to share common interests though that's understandable

[radiant night]

would a post like this be wrong then? https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1378199143083933696 the title implies lore and thats not something players learn about right away

[verbal pelican]

there are channels called lore

[ashen drift]

Would help out our vc problems too

[quasi stirrup]

it was already changed once funnily enough

[radiant night]

lore is a spoiler because people dont realize it exists always

[verbal pelican]

the second you join the server you're prompted with the optin to choose if you want to view lore channels

[quasi stirrup]

ueah

[verbal pelican]

just kidding

still

[radiant night]

its just something that would also be a "spoiler" according to the theory you presented

[quasi stirrup]

no you're right though it's in the channel list

[ashen drift]

Scav toll is in the channels list

Was

[forest flax]

every single title is a spoiler cuz its relating to rain world

[radiant night]

the emojis of all vanilla lizards

[quasi stirrup]

okay now i see slugcat is looking at the pole plant too 🥹

[verbal pelican]

yeah that's what i was thinking

[quasi stirrup]

and it is red

[verbal pelican]

it has red so yeah i'd say that is worthy of a blasyt

[radiant night]

i still dont think it needed to be reposted because in order to enlarge the image to see these things you have to open the post

[quasi stirrup]

we repost blast for spoilers in a paragraph that get cut off past the preview

[radiant night]

[quasi stirrup]

i don't think just because it's not initially visible as a preview it shouldn't be reposted

[ashen drift]

You all are like the QC for the inexperienced user group

[verbal pelican]

different display sizes can affect whether or not it's visible in that case

[quasi stirrup]

yeah that too

[verbal pelican]

you can see a lot more when your client is zoomed out

[sacred fox]

I do remember snaff saying that rooms outside of the tutorial are not allowed

[quasi stirrup]

my thread...

[sacred fox]

Idk how late that conversation is but I feel the need to second that

[verbal pelican]

this might be super weird but like if we're consdiering the unbanning spoilerless rooms inside outskirts but outside tutorial thing

[radiant night]

where did they say? thats all i want to see and no one has shown me

[ashen drift]

I think we should just get snaff to acknowledge the rules are kind of unclear

[radiant night]

i did ping kalum and ask

[sacred fox]

Let me look

[verbal pelican]

should we consider water a spoiler

[ashen drift]

@ Kalum pls help

[verbal pelican]

@ everyone help pppppp

[radiant night]

yes i would say water is a spoiler because its in far away rooms from the tutorials

[ashen drift]

Yes

[radiant night]

only before LF and DS

[quasi stirrup]

rain is made of water

rain isn't allowed anymore

no more rain world

[radiant night]

specifically swimmable water

[quasi stirrup]

i know im being silly

[radiant night]

many people dont even see the flooding for awhile xd

[quasi stirrup]

time to wait until end of cycle and swim in visitor so i can get it invalidated

[radiant night]

swim in vegan

[verbal pelican]

okay i feel like i'm repeating myself but i feel the need to condense everything i said into one message SO.

imo the policy for screenshots should be
outside outskirts: 💥
contains something not mentioned as allowed in The Six Spoiler Souls™: 💥 (pole plants should be blasted only if they appear red or are alluded to in the first message)
otherwise: okay

[radiant night]

i agree with this

[verbal pelican]

because like half of the things that are blasted are screenshots of outskirts

and that just feels stupid

[ashen drift]

I think rooms on the way to drainage are easily missed

[radiant night]

i think limiting to tutorial only is pointless because the rooms adjacent arent spoilery

[ashen drift]

Like the one in question

[verbal pelican]

just whip out an image of the interactive map and x out rooms that count as spoilers 🥹

[radiant night]

things transitioning to new regions yes, that one doesnt show anything that means it is on its way to drainage though

[verbal pelican]

technically it is post water

my favorite progression point

[radiant night]

is it?

i forgot that 🥹

[verbal pelican]

if they're talking about that one hall leading to drainage gate

it is impossible to get to without seeing water

[radiant night]

the pole plant room isnt before water

[ashen drift]

Its still out of the way of most players paths

I didn’t see it for a long time

[radiant night]

it doesnt reveal anything about the location and just looks like a generic outskirts room to me

[sacred fox]

Is this just some crazy placebo🥹 🥹

[ashen drift]

Id have been mildly spoiled by that image

[radiant night]

i feel like if they made a pin or announcement i would have seen it too, and i did search myself a bit

[quasi stirrup]

it probably was mentioned before but just difficult to find

[verbal pelican]

maybe rooms that lead to gates should be blasted

[ashen drift]

Every room past the wallpounce skip room should be blasted

[radiant night]

thats what i mean by transitioning rooms, since there are aesthetic differences

[verbal pelican]

yeah

[ashen drift]

Or even the pole room

[quasi stirrup]

[verbal pelican]

personally if someone sent an image of the drainage hall room and i got spoiled by it i'd be saddened (😢) a little

because it looks different from the rest of outskirts

[quasi stirrup]

i remember completely missing the uturn section of outskirts my first playthrough

[sacred fox]

I did too

[radiant night]

still if you saw it you would just think "oh outskirts room" and it doesnt really break your game to see it

[quasi stirrup]

i don't think so

[verbal pelican]

i spent like 30 cycles in outskirts just doing stuff with a tamed green lizard on my first playthrough

and i didn't see the rooms past the um

that one block room that has a billion pipes

and the evil poles

[quasi stirrup]

id be bummed out if i missed rooms like that because to me every room is unique to be honest

and i saw them instead in a post

[radiant night]

just gives you reason to explore outskirts more

[verbal pelican]

what do we think about like. if it contains a significant portion of the room (yes very unclear) it should be blasted

[sacred fox]

My general opinion is just that anything past the tutorial should just be reposted, people have varying opinions on the extreme spoilers, (some want the full lore before they play, others freak out if you show them that rocks are differently shaped)

[verbal pelican]

like worded clearer than that obviously

byt

[quasi stirrup]

i do think picking and choosing rooms just based on aesthetics isn't a good idea

[quasi stirrup]

yeah

[radiant night]

so would you be bummed if you were a completely new player who has never opened the game and saw a ss of a pink lizard?

[quasi stirrup]

like it may not be as important to you but it is to others sort of thing

[sacred fox]

I think it's more about the mentioning of pink lizards rather than the screenshot

[radiant night]

okay then a mention of a scary pink lizard

[verbal pelican]

i'd say that lizards aren't spoilers but reading the lizard wiki page and learning about taming got me into rain world so i'm not one to talk

[quasi stirrup]

real

[radiant night]

i just feel seeing a random uturn room is less detrimental than a mention of a creature that can kill you

if we are weighing what is upsetting to you, again this is all theoretical

[verbal pelican]

LIZARDS AS IN GREEN AND PINK

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1179973896976474142/1179976283447382097/Gug.gif

[radiant night]

i feel that i should just make a poll and pin it to get more input on a larger issue, but maybe @atomic locust will do it for me as he can word those things much better

it just isnt very productive to go in circles on this when only a few helpers are even present in the conversation

[sacred fox]

Agreed

[quasi stirrup]

help red and cyan lizards keep on killing me

[verbal pelican]

and eels caramels and trains and strawberries and every modded lizard

[quasi stirrup]

i have always felt a bit off about the green pink rule even if i understand why it's part of the okay spoilers

[ashen drift]

Promotional art

[quasi stirrup]

how do i kill a train lizard

oh that's true it's in the main menu screen

🥹

[quasi stirrup]

raindeer

[ashen drift]

Oh yeah

[verbal pelican]

the default(?) one has blues also

[ashen drift]

Im not a felper dont kill me

[quasi stirrup]

explodes you

welcome new felper

[ashen drift]

[quasi stirrup]

what are you eben doing here

chalver got lost

[ashen drift]

You told me of this place

[quasi stirrup]

i pinged you once and you never talked again after

[ashen drift]

I check it occasionally

[quasi stirrup]

become a felper

[ashen drift]

I applied but idk if i would get it with my mindset

[radiant night]

if we go off of promotional things that changes a lot of rules about what is allowed

[ashen drift]

Dont kill me i said

[quasi stirrup]

worm grass

[ashen drift]

Im not a felper yet

[quasi stirrup]

explosive spear

[ashen drift]

Im just saying words

[quasi stirrup]

no you're typing

[ashen drift]

Voice to text

No im not using it

I am typing

[sacred fox]

Never in my life have I used it🥹

[quasi stirrup]

me either

[radiant night]

the flirting

[ashen drift]

It never understands me

Where?

[verbal pelican]

i don’t think every single person getting into rw is looking at every promotional art

[radiant night]

hence why we dont base our guidelines off of it

[verbal pelican]

by that logic the wall shouldn’t be a spoiler because it’s in an image on the steam page (not directed at you just sayign…)

[radiant night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/824027398948782180/824035868892332042/Boosted_Slide_Spear_Flip_Downthrow_Bounce_Red_Clean.gif

yes!

[ashen drift]

I just said it for no reason dont take me seriously

[quasi stirrup]

lying react

[verbal pelican]

pink lying face react this user

[quasi stirrup]

this user

LMAO

[verbal pelican]

🥹

[ashen drift]

This place is scary

[verbal pelican]

rattuse you should add lyign face

[ashen drift]

I regret coming here

Let me out

[verbal pelican]

or was it called lying faec

[verbal pelican]

really tempted to 🤥 react

[ashen drift]

Just explode me atp

Im being called out and bullied constantly

[radiant night]

https://tinyurl.com/rw-helper-application

[ashen drift]

I did apply already i said

[quasi stirrup]

you should become a felper and spoil everyone

evil felper

[radiant night]

apply for aelper

[ashen drift]

Here