Old FP Guide Coordination [Archived]

[sour bear]

470h in game, encountered just 0 of these things and it's NOT ENOUGH!!!!! evil sound effects here

We shall blot out the sun with stowaways

Subterranean will never see sunlight, water or slugcats again

[placid hedge]

they look like some very specific alien from half life

[quasi stirrup]

i want to blow them up with bombs

[radiant night]

pin them to ceiling

[quasi stirrup]

can you even do that 🥹

[sacred fox]

I've done that with a dropwig🥹

[midnight plinth]

I’ve been to all the regions mentioned in multiple campaigns (except OE and undergrowth tho I’ve spent decent time in undergroeth) and never seen one of these

[sour bear]

maybe you should find them then

then youll see them

i am being very helpful

[tranquil mulch]

i accidentally killed a Stowaway as Gourmand while trying to throw a Spear into a Spider in OE

[crude jetty]

Their fault for being in the way.

Also, to be fair, I have not seen a single stowaway in any of my campaigns so far.

[sour bear]

NNOOOOO rip stowaway

[crude jetty]

Those things are going extinct for the silliest of reasons, I tell ya.

[crude oxide]

I will not provide context

[quasi stirrup]

ive wanted to try that but i don't have the skill to backflip and not die

[sour bear]

#1409083596731318372 message i think this guy discovered inv by accident?

[sacred fox]

NOT AGAIN

[quasi stirrup]

waiting for someone to find it by accident and actually start the campaign unknowing of the horrors

[lapis flame]

I should do the calculation of the chances of getting it by accident on controller

[atomic locust]

I feel like there must be some secondary condition that people aren't aware of that lets you get it

because it seems like a statistical impossibility just looking at it

[lapis flame]

I think there is some wiggle room programmed in

alright

math time

b = the number of buttons on a gamepad

First though, if someone hits only left and right bumper at random, they have a 0.5 chance of getting it right each press

"... --- ..-. .- -. - .... .. . .-.." requires 24 presses

[atomic locust]

maybe it allows incorrect presses between the correct ones..?

[atomic locust]

isnt it just 2 to the power of how many ones there are

which would be... 1/67108864

that seems about right

[lapis flame]

if they hit only the 2 buttons at random they have a (1/2)^24 chance of getting it

[atomic locust]

oh yeah .5 not 2

[lapis flame]

one in 16,777,216

[atomic locust]

yeah not happening

[lapis flame]

wait for it

[atomic locust]

I think this could be it

[lapis flame]

a standard gamepad has about 14 buttons used in-game

so (1/14)^24

[atomic locust]

impossible to truly account for all of the other buttons considering that not all buttons are used equally for buttonmashing

I have personally spent plenty time just mashing triggers while waiting around

[lapis flame]

So If they were smashing bumpers randomly, they have a 1/16,777,216 chance of getting it
For each additional button added, the chances increase by (B \ +1B​)24
Button mashing is usually 2 bumpers, 2 triggers, and a, b, x, y, so 8 buttons
that's a 1 in 2.11758236⋅10−22 chance of getting it

@atomic locust code snippet for unlock enot on pc:

private void eeCheck()
    {
        if (Input.anyKey)
        {
            if (Input.GetKey(KeyCode.H) || Input.GetKey(KeyCode.F) || Input.GetKey(KeyCode.A) || Input.GetKey(KeyCode.T) || Input.GetKey(KeyCode.L) || (Input.GetKey(KeyCode.I) | Input.GetKey(KeyCode.E)) || Input.GetKey(KeyCode.N) || Input.GetKey(KeyCode.O) || Input.GetKey(KeyCode.S))
            {
                if ((eeinput == 7 && (Input.GetKey(KeyCode.I) || Input.GetKey(KeyCode.E))) || (eeinput == 8 && (Input.GetKey(KeyCode.I) || Input.GetKey(KeyCode.E))) || (eeinput == 1 && Input.GetKey(KeyCode.O)) || (eeinput == 6 && Input.GetKey(KeyCode.H)) || (eeinput == 3 && Input.GetKey(KeyCode.A)) || (eeinput == 4 && Input.GetKey(KeyCode.N)) || (eeinput == 0 && Input.GetKey(KeyCode.S)) || (eeinput == 2 && Input.GetKey(KeyCode.F)) || (eeinput == 5 && Input.GetKey(KeyCode.T)) || (eeinput == 9 && Input.GetKey(KeyCode.L)))
                {
                    eeinput++;
                }
            }
            else
            {
                eeinput = 0;
            }
        }
        ...

So on pc it forces it to be in order

[late copper]

Seems like it doesn't reset the counter as long as the inputted key is one of the characters in SOFANTHIEL

If the console code is similar, then as long as you spam only the two required keys you would eventually fulfill the conditions to enable the campaign

[lapis flame]

it does on pc

it checks if the index is a certain number and the correct next key was entered, then adds

if not it resets

[late copper]

eeinput = 0 only runs if the input was not a character in SOFANTHIEL; if it is one of those characters but not in the right order then nothing happens

[atomic locust]

console is the important part here, though

[lapis flame]

look at the if statement under the first if

1st letter: (eeinput == 0 && Input.GetKey(KeyCode.S))

Second letter must be O : (eeinput == 1 && Input.GetKey(KeyCode.O))

if it's not, the if fails and the else {} runs

[lapis flame]

looking and looking

[late copper]

the else runs if the second if condition fails: Input.GetKey(KeyCode.H) || Input.GetKey(KeyCode.F) || Input.GetKey(KeyCode.A) || Input.GetKey(KeyCode.T) || Input.GetKey(KeyCode.L) || (Input.GetKey(KeyCode.I) | Input.GetKey(KeyCode.E)) || Input.GetKey(KeyCode.N) || Input.GetKey(KeyCode.O) || Input.GetKey(KeyCode.S), there isn't an associated else block for the third if statement

[lapis flame]

code might simply not be there for console if they exclude things from certain build platforms in the build compilation process

[late copper]

I'll try testing on pc

[lapis flame]

Look at the if statement in that one

[atomic locust]

only way to know for sure how it works is to test it on console I suppose

[lapis flame]

@late copper there is one if nested in the other
You are only looking at the first second

[lapis flame]

I guess

[late copper]

I'm not sure I'm understanding; if the second if condition passes (therefore the else block doesn't run), then the counter shouldn't reset regardless of whether the key was in the correct order

It does seem to work; typing for example SOFNANTHIEL enables the campaign

[lapis flame]

well yes that's the awnser, but try spamming only tose buttons in a random order

will not work

[late copper]

It does work as far as my tests go

[lapis flame]

type it backwards

[late copper]

well, the counter only increments to 1 the first time S is pressed, but in theory typing it backwards a number of times will eventually trigger it

[lapis flame]

it will not increment for any other letter then O after S: (eeinput == 1 && Input.GetKey(KeyCode.O))

[late copper]

again, typing any letter in SOFANTHIEL that is not O after S does not increment the counter, but it also does not reset

it would reset if the third condition was not nested inside the second (and therefore both of them shared the else block)

[lapis flame]

I see what you're saying now

the two of us are on slightly different pages, but we are both right XD

[late copper]

yeah, guess we're on the same page now

[lapis flame]

[late copper]

I guess in conclusion: if we assume the logic flow of the console code is unchanged, then as long as you spam only the two buttons you will eventually fulfill the conditions to unlock the campiagn

[lapis flame]

@atomic locust Assuming the same logic that is used on PC, if they spam for long enough they will eventually get it by chance, it's just how RWInput manages is on the main menu

[lapis flame]

lmao we sent the same thing in different words

[atomic locust]

because hitting an incorrect input will not reset it?

[lapis flame]

The code itself probable uses
#IF
#ENDIF
To determine what to include on the build platform

[lapis flame]

correct

[atomic locust]

neat

[lapis flame]

So this is the chance of getting it exactly, not overall

[atomic locust]

@grave token interesting answer to how you managed to get into the inv screen twice!

tldr- putting an incorrect input in will not reset the code, so if you just spam the bumpers you'll eventually get it 🙂

[tranquil mulch]

though this relies on an assumption of how it works on console and that it aligns with PC

[atomic locust]

there are few other ways it could work that would allow it to be obtained with button mashing

[tranquil mulch]

i have an idea

@Console Users, can you try going to the main menu and then spamming the right trigger while holding the left trigger?

wait

shouldn't holding both instantly activate it lol

I'll double-check how eeCheck works in its context in PC

ok pressing literally every button on the keyboard at the same time in PC does activate Inv mode, as expected

[tranquil mulch]

new wiki content

[sacred fox]

From my experience, if I messed up the morse code in any way it didn't work and I'd have to reset.

I'll test this though...

I did that, I don't think it worked

[tranquil mulch]

ok so it must work differently on Console then somehow and I have no console RW so I cannot check

i wonder

[sacred fox]

I'll try what Kalum said about the wrong inputs in between tho as well

Oh

Wait nvm

Even inputting the correct code with no gaps in between doesn't work

(Wait now the regular morse code isn't even working one moment )

[tranquil mulch]

wait it's bumpers and not triggers that need to be pressed I think??

[sacred fox]

Bumpers as in ZR and ZL on my switch? Those aren't used in game whatsoever so I'd assume it'd be L and R

[tranquil mulch]

idk I don't have a controller

the inv masterpost says bumpers

[sacred fox]

Ok I finally got it while doing it normally

[tranquil mulch]

ok so things to test:

• hold both bumpers
• hold one bumper, spam the second
• alternate between two bumpers

the third one may work in case it works similarly to PC but the buttons are changed to bumper press and bumper release

also a fourth thing to test:

• do the code as normal, but press any non-bumper button while holding down a bumper at least once

it's kind of funny how just holding every button at once works on PC

[sacred fox]

No on all four

[tranquil mulch]

i guarantee at least some people got it that way

[placid hedge]

wait, the magic word is not the only thing that works on pc ?

[tranquil mulch]

@atomic locust@lapis flame@late copper so the PC logic doesn't transfer on console

[tranquil mulch]

it is the only thing, just that the progression on the word cannot be reset while at least one button in the word is held

[placid hedge]

oh i see thx

[tranquil mulch]

it doesn't detect input immediately, rather it checks the currently held buttons on each tick

[sacred fox]

There's also a possibility that this is wonky switch code, so if you want to get an xbox player or something for further data that might be a good idea

[lapis flame]

shoot

alright

so on console, the world really does have to be put in properly?

[late copper]

Guess the only way to know is by testing on different consoles

[quasi stirrup]

i only have my switch

ruffles plays on xbox so we could ask them when they're back

i don't know many who play on ps4/5

could probably hunt them down in a challenge related channel /silly

[placid hedge]

there is a thread with one

where is game is laggy 🙁

[quasi stirrup]

someone who knows of inv and the answer to the riddle i mean

[placid hedge]

aaaaah

[narrow finch]

@sour bear

[sour bear]

?

[narrow finch]

what the hell is TLCOADLLSAACH

i see dll in there

[sour bear]

The love child of a daddy long legs spider and a cat hairball

One of their names for dll

[narrow finch]

that is

the name of all time

i mean

it does have dll in there

what does cas normally call dlls again?

just hairballs?

[sour bear]

Yeah pretty muxh

[narrow finch]

i wonder what's gonna happen once she touches the wiki and finds out about all the official names

[sour bear]

She knows most of them I think

If not all

But still prefers her own names

[narrow finch]

what creatures has she not seen yet hmm...

aquapedes and giant jellies?

[quasi stirrup]

trains 🥹

[narrow finch]

i guess hll if we were to count that

and firebugs ig

[sour bear]

Purple overseer

Oooo stowaways

[crude oxide]

She must've been to rooms with stowaways but most likely when they weren't active

[sacred fox]

she's seen both of these

[narrow finch]

ooh

i can't believe aquapede size has still not been patched

[sacred fox]

They're not supposed to be that big?

[narrow finch]

"Aquapedes are coded to have a size range of 0.9-1.8, however, many of the checks related to size have an implicit cap at 1. Consequently, the mass and the number of segments have little variation, with either 16 or 17 segments, but the health, which doesn't have the implicit cap, can vary significantly."

stupidest bug in the game

basically they could die in 2 spears or 7 spears, but there's no indication

[tranquil mulch]

hi i wrote that Wiki part

[narrow finch]

thank you randi

[sour bear]

Maybe someone can make a mod fixing it like they did with moon pain, then perhaps they'll notice the bug

[narrow finch]

i would love to see tiny aquapedes

or huge aquapedes

[sour bear]

Imagine the GIFs we could make with the smallest strawberry lizard eating the biggest aaquapede it's gonna be like 10x his size

[narrow finch]

david vs goliath ahh

[sacred fox]

Honestly them being that big all the time just makes it 10x more terrifying

[narrow finch]

but they could be bigger which is the saddest thing

[tranquil mulch]

anyway, things that do not have an implicit cap are:

• the distance to the target tile when swimming or moving with safari controls
• the speed of centipedes crawling... kind of
  • it is multiplied by clamped health (between 0 and 1), and hence the multiplication of size by health is clamped between 0 and 1 there, so the implicit cap is still entirely there on full health Aquapedes
• dealt damage calculations
• the checks on two Centipedes where smaller-sized Centipedes want to move away from larger-sized Centipedes
• the cullRange determining how much distance until it shouldn't be rendered by the camera

there are approximately six times more things that do have the implicit cap

[narrow finch]

but the biggest outlier is length

[sacred fox]

This is above my comprehension lvl rn lol

[sour bear]

Scug mathematician

[grave token]

I've been summoned

[atomic locust]

turns out it might be more complicated than that

[grave token]

Tbh I still to this day have ZERO clue how I got it twice

[atomic locust]

the science is not complete

[grave token]

[lapis flame]

more the code is not there 😭

My search continues tho

[lapis flame]

Should I just let this guy know there is none for vanilla?
"is there a crafting system in this game"

@grave token

[grave token]

Guh wha

Ummmm

Idk I just came back from a break so I'm still readjusting kinda

[lapis flame]

nw

[grave token]

@sacred fox come help me🥹

[sacred fox]

Huh

[grave token]

This

[sacred fox]

Oh

Where is this going on

[lapis flame]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1411951925083246623

[sacred fox]

Ty

[lapis flame]

np

thank you actually

[sacred fox]

Not really sure how to respond so we'll see how that works

[lapis flame]

first time for me ¯_(ツ)_/¯

talking about a mechanic that does not yet exist

lol

[sacred fox]

Lol yeah, can't really talk about it in a vanilla thread cuz it is downpour

And I don't want to make the op think they need downpour for it

[gray musk]

I'd go with no.

[quasi stirrup]

that was a good response

better than anything i would've come up with

[sacred fox]

I'm still unsure about it, like I feel (like Pink said) it might be better to just say no

Thank you though

[gray musk]

The response is ok.

[quasi stirrup]

@quasi jasper take a look through the pinned messages in this thread

[sour bear]

Id count that as a spoiler

Oh oops I thought I scrolled through everything, I was respond to gourmand crafting mechanic

[sacred fox]

Is this just a recolored monk or is this watcher

Unrelated, could probably bring up to op that they can stick to a single thread for monk documentation

[quasi stirrup]

it's definitely a recolored monk

[quasi stirrup]

i think i told him that once already 🥹

worth bringing up again though

[sacred fox]

Also I could very well be tripping but it looks like there's that subtle glow on the slugcat that you get from swallowing a lantern

I think I'm going insane🥹

[quasi stirrup]

you aren't

i can see it too actually, it's worth asking if they have msc on

because msc adds the glow right

also it's probably repost blastable since not an outskirts tutorial room

[grave token]

Repost 💥 that please🥹

[sacred fox]

Either msc or remix, I'll check

It's remix

[quasi stirrup]

oh well

still good to be safe

[sacred fox]

Yeye

Also I think I know what the lizard's name is a reference to

[quasi stirrup]

wait

peril

wof???

[sacred fox]

Clay deserved better

[grave token]

indeed

I was gonna ask about it but I think it's a pretty common name for fiction so I didn't wanna look stupid

[sour bear]

Uhh guys
#1397538213450485831 message
I don't think we should argue with this guy....

[quasi stirrup]

i honestly agree with you here and for other situations similar like using cheats or the wiki

if they're enjoying it that's all that matters, if suggesting something doesn't work it's better to not try to overly convince them to play a certain way

[north mural]

I somewhat don't get why players set up threads if they use maps/wiki/cheats etc

[quasi stirrup]

sarc

it's probably to avoid spoilers for other campaigns or other things

[north mural]

I do agree it's fully ok to play like that due to free will

[quasi stirrup]

i get it honestly. i used maps and some of the wiki too my first playthrough

[sacred fox]

I think our opinions have been stated, and in the end it is up to op what they wanna do

[north mural]

Oh no yeah my first playthroughs were entirely spoiled as well (not something l recommend)

[quasi stirrup]

yeah

[north mural]

But yeah why are you asking questions if you pulled up the map, right

You've exposed the answers to yourself

It's goofy, though to clarify not something that like genuinely irritates me or whatever. It ain't worth that much thought

[quasi stirrup]

once someone was asking what room to go to in a thread on the interactive map when they knew what direction they were supposed to go, i genuinely didn't know what to say 🥹

it was in sub and they were trying to reach the depths, they knew to go down

but telling them where to go exactly room number wise felt so wrong

[radiant night]

thats why i stopped

they were helped, nothing more to really say there

i wouldnt really call it an argument anyway

[quasi stirrup]

he already made a singularity bomb and he just started gourmand

[sour bear]

I did too

[sour bear]

Average light playthrrough

[quasi stirrup]

filled with regret 🥹

[north mural]

Watcher new update will be my first opportunity to truly go at it blind

[quasi stirrup]

watcher was my first time playing completely blind since i played at release

[sour bear]

Same

[quasi stirrup]

the future update too

[grave token]

Gonna be same here, except it's getting harder each day to stay unspoiled bc of the stuff I watch (Opisain here and there, I thought I'd be safe watching a COMPLETELY unrelated video about a modded scug but... nope!)

So yea, I've been spoiled on Watcher a bit sadly so I won't be going in fully blind

[sour bear]

What do u know already? DM me

[grave token]

Well I know the [SPOILER], [SPOILER], [SPOILER], and the [SPOILER]. Oh yea can't forget [SPOILER]

[north mural]

At least watcher is so dense you're likely missing loads of critical info/reveals

[sour bear]

That's why I said DM me🥹

[north mural]

I'd wanna know too from blunt curiosity

[grave token]

Have you also completed Watcher?

Also I'll spill what I know if someone makes a gc, otherwise it will go unknown

[north mural]

Long ago, yes

Well whatever you saw/heard it was fake and fanmodded fr

[grave token]

Like that person that was documenting Watcher in a downpour thread?

[north mural]

Yeah they were playing the Looker

[grave token]

[north mural]

Got sentenced over to modded-first-playthroughs

[grave token]

Mhm... yea

I remember it like it was yesterday, I don't think there's any going back on that person that spoiled me on watcher

[north mural]

It do be like that. At least the content therein was tip-of-the-iceberg

I recall gobbler in his watcher thread getting a real evil spoiler fortunately went over his head

[glad void]

who

wait whqt was it

[north mural]

Another firstplayer blundering into your thread and posting their question there by mistake, and attaching a screenshot of an endgame location

[glad void]

oh that

[north mural]

[glad void]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1167026077873471488/1411483066051985538/WHY_ARE_YOU_SO_MISERABLE..gif

yeah that was fun

[quasi stirrup]

and they said it wasn't important 🥹

yay level 41

[placid hedge]

i will take a bit of his defense here because the game is really hard, and this is a difficulty level that cannot work well with everyone, beware of toxic positivity when we try to encourage someone 😄

[grizzled prism]

go thread-reappearing-on-my-channel-list spell

[radiant night]

[crude jetty]

Oh yeah, things have been a bit quiet around here.

So anyways.
Any interesting new threads we need to keep an eye on?

[gray musk]

This small thread is really neat! https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1381715173693460520 /silly

[sour bear]

Feeding the lizards!!!!!!! Nah lol see this https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1406681612292325538

[lyric moss]

You could all look for my vanilla and downpour threads! They're a bit hard to find, though...

[lyric moss]

Ooh, good ones! Both that one, and all your Feeding the Lizards threads!

[sour bear]

Totally with absolutely 0 hidden jokes in the thread title

I'm still proud of that lol

[lyric moss]

wait huh

[sour bear]

You don't know the feeding the lizards hidden joke????????

[lyric moss]

I don't know about any hidden jokes that may be in the name "Feeding the Lizards" lol

[sour bear]

It actually means "feeding [myself to] the lizards"

[lyric moss]

Holy peak

That's incredible

How did I never realize

[sour bear]

No one has so far lol

[lyric moss]

Maybe eventually!

[sour bear]

Mayhaps

[lyric moss]

Perchance

[gray musk]

I thought that was obvious?

idk, I might be just weird, but that was my first interpretation.

[grave token]

I have, I just never commented on it

[sacred fox]

Same here

[dusty jetty]

isn't this thumbnail considered a spoiler?https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1352814333658398821

[grizzled prism]

i personally dont think so

gourm being fat and eating things in general isnt really spoilery

[quasi stirrup]

i don't know what the spoiler policy is when it comes to ingame art honestly, when it's stuff like campaign screen art and hibernation screen art

because we've let it stay in the past but it also can be considered a spoiler for some people

[grave stag]

I would say if the campaign art screen does not have spoilers it's fine. hibernation screens however may have spoilery stuff so that most likely is case by case basis

[quasi stirrup]

it's more on the fact that even if it has been allowed, the art itself isn't really revealed until you've beaten the campaigns required to unlock it

[lapis flame]

I think any art or text that can be found outside of playing a campaign should not be considered a spoiler, as it's there to tell players about the subject, not a deeper meaning

[grave token]

What about Hunter description

And also Riv, the background is just DS

[quasi stirrup]

the text very heavily implies campaign stuff 🥹

that's why it's only unlocked after beating certain slugcats

[grave token]

AND also the collection menu, that menu contains spoilers if it's posted in the first message

[quasi stirrup]

gourmand has food items in their hands

[grave token]

That too

[quasi stirrup]

and riv

[grave token]

I forgot about that

[quasi stirrup]

i feel like saint's is spoilery but i don't remember it

[grave token]

It is I think? Kinda looks like Windswept Spires in the background art I believe

(Pre karma 10)

[quasi stirrup]

okay there is a giant symbol of karma 10 in the background 🥹

[glad void]

“where every cycle eats away at an ominous countdown” is absolutely a spoiler

[tranquil mulch]

more proof Remix is bad

[grave token]

@short leaf take a read through the pins in this thread

[short leaf]

oh !! Alright !! I'll try to think about it now, ty :D

[grave token]

If you have questions, just ask

[short leaf]

Ofc, tysm <3

[crude jetty]

Oh no. The ominous countdown.
When the timer reaches 0, you have to feed Sprinkles.

Sprinkles can get a little cranky when they're hungry.
You don't want a hungry cyan lizard nibbling your tail.

[placid hedge]

does sprinkles have an Id by chance ?

[glad void]

4241

[placid hedge]

woooo thanks !

cyan i guess ?

[tender bloom]

*meow*

Sprinkles rests its head on your shoulder!

[radiant night]

yes sprinkles is a cyan

[glad void]

sprinkles is actually green lizard id 9063

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1411545784842715166/1411921591255830628/9430.gif

[tender bloom]

@glad void *BITES YOU!*

[glad void]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1382516810318086175/1382519546824491039/9063_puter.gif

[tender bloom]

*squeaks*

Sprinkles approaches you and sniffs you!

[placid hedge]

ok thx !

[placid hedge]

[tender bloom]

@radiant night *BITES YOU!*

[radiant night]

sprinkles is revolting against me
fool refused to bite three times in a row then bites me instead of the person i wanted

[crude jetty]

What's the last time you fed Sprinkles?

[tender bloom]

*woof*

Sprinkles runs in circles around you!

[radiant night]

never

[crude jetty]

That's why they won't listen. Gotta tame 'em first.

[sour bear]

Damn this guy is smart #1403491163104870462 message

[radiant night]

i mean i think the pearl reveals it a bit

[sour bear]

Bro made a lot of conclusions above that as well

Pretty much all of which are right

[quasi stirrup]

no he definitely is smart

it's satisfying seeing him putting things together

[sour bear]

Yeah

[quasi stirrup]

reminds me of light's thread a little bit

[sour bear]

They are pretty similar

[sacred fox]

[quasi stirrup]

@sour bear if you want the slugcat shimeji let me know

i can send the link to it

[sour bear]

Oh is it the nanomon thing

[quasi stirrup]

no it's something else actually

[sour bear]

You know about a lot of random slugcat desktop things 🤣

[quasi stirrup]

they're less interactive and just kinda hang out

[quasi stirrup]

i spend too much time looking into stuff when rain world things are involved

[sour bear]

I was mostly curious as to what it was

[placid hedge]

definitely

[placid hedge]

rivulet shimeji better

[versed pike]

i love that ts guy beating the game and ONE other person in chat 🥹

[quasi stirrup]

huh

[grave token]

@quasi stirrup spoiler blast this person

Some good ol' fasioned DLC content

[quasi stirrup]

i was wondering if i should blast that 🥹

[grave token]

Well I think you should

[quasi stirrup]

unsure if i should blast the gourmand picture too

[grave token]

Cuz Alt endings are dlc stuff

[grave token]

Mmmm

Maybe???

[quasi stirrup]

since it is arena art

but it's also just gourmand...

[grave token]

Idk the spoiler rules about joke discussion for characters

[quasi stirrup]

as long as it doesn't go into ability stuff hopefully it's okay

[grave token]

I don't think the OP knows about starving

💥

[quasi stirrup]

@versed pike

be careful mentioning mechanic- halves blasted it

[versed pike]

you learn about starving on like cycle 10

[grave token]

Sometimes you do

[versed pike]

is it not every time??

[grave token]

I've had times where I've never seen the tutorial until like... cycle 50???

[sacred fox]

Same

[versed pike]

[quasi stirrup]

i don't even remember a tutorial

[versed pike]

i didnt know that wasnt a set time

[quasi stirrup]

it's quite easy to forget anyway

[versed pike]

fair

[grave token]

I think it's only with extra tutorials that might be why

[sacred fox]

Just checking since I haven't seen this thread before, does op have msc enabled?

They're making a new thread now ig but still lol

[quasi stirrup]

i don't think they do, but probably worth asking anyway even if they're making a new thread

[sacred fox]

Looking at some recent stuff, it doesn't look like they do, so it should be fine

[grizzled prism]

ooh there is one?

[placid hedge]

yup

https://youtu.be/DEq3JFvcHNs?si=a_8fNIcQdeI9P0fd

[grizzled prism]

awwwww

[crude jetty]

Cuteness.

[sour bear]

Rain world 55% off, now is as good time to spread propaganda

[crude oxide]

Buy rain world

[placid hedge]

yup i did my part

[tranquil mulch]

sell rain world

[atomic locust]

re-floating the idea of merging #1272670046434492426 and #1269808032276152451 👻

I understand the spoiler concern but I don't think this would fundamentally make anything worse

as an example, someone playing MSC surv for the first time is already gonna risk exposure to endgame saint spoilers by using #1272670046434492426
the only thing this changes is that people playing vanilla surv would also get that exposure, which is unlikely to begin with

and it'd just be convenient

[grave token]

I'm still kinda against it, because merging the channels would mean deleting one of the categories, which would mean losing a lot of cool stuff

[atomic locust]

wdym?

(by 'categories')

[grave token]

Like the forum

[atomic locust]

it'd be archived

[grave token]

Sorry I get them mixed up sometimes

[grave token]

Oh yea true

[atomic locust]

I think what we'd do is keep it open but remove the permission to create new threads, and have it die out naturally

and then close it once the thread count is low enough

[grave token]

I for one am still against the idea of merging them, but that might just be bias

I say we make a poll

[atomic locust]

fair nuff

pros:

• people dont have to move threads during their playthroughs, letting their be more continuity in each person's thread.
• avoids the hassle of redirecting users from vanilla to downpour.

cons:

• could potentially expose people to more spoilers, although not significantly. someone following a vanilla thread that becomes DLC could get spoiled, for instance.
• The transition will also inevitably mean we have to push a few people to the new thread at once, which could be a hassle.

if anyone has more specific pros or cons ping me and I'll add em to the list for people to see

I just put what I could thing of

<@&1137895527271379055> ping, but anyone is welcome to vote

[radiant night]

would you be able to add tags such as "downpour" or "vanilla" along with the slugcat ones

[rustic lily]

🐱

[atomic locust]

yea for sure

I think the tag limit is either 15 or 25- either way there's room

[radiant night]

i switch my vote then

[radiant night]

it will just suck with the existing threads rn to merge them unless discord allows you to do that

ik my thread will just get lost in the archives pit

[atomic locust]

nah we'll have to evict current thread people at some point
the interim policy I think would work best would be to not immediately close it, but to prevent new threads from being made

that way the current ones die out naturally

[radiant night]

i see

[atomic locust]

and then once there's just a few left (or none), we move 🫴

[radiant night]

i never tried but can helpers edit tags on a thread

[atomic locust]

I think?

[radiant night]

so we can make sure they always say either dp/vanilla

yeah i checked i can

thats solves that 🥹

[sacred fox]

I feel merging them would make it pretty difficult to keep vanilla threads vanilla, as I'd say tags are a lot less obvious than a whole other channel

[atomic locust]

wdym 'keep vanilla threads vanilla'

I dont quite follow

[glad void]

if i lose ABNORMAL THREAD 🪔🦠🤼‍♂️🧑‍🧑‍🧒‍🧒🪬 then NO !!!

[atomic locust]

I dunno which once we'd use honestly

I think #1272670046434492426 has more total threads so probably that..?

[sacred fox]

I can see people not changing tags when they switch over, kind of the equivalent to how people will enable msc and not switch over to the other channel. Or, those with vanilla may feel they need to get msc even though it is a DLC.
The rest of my argument is just personal experience (having done all my first playthroughs with msc enabled) and therefore unnecessary bias
I will think on this and compose a better structured argument later lol

I guess my point is that it feels like mixing vanilla into msc as a whole, instead of keeping them as two separate things

[atomic locust]

so the concern would be that someone that has, say, completed vanilla survivor would click into someone else's survivor thread and find MSC stuff?

[sacred fox]

Yes, or an msc survivor would go into a vanilla thread and spoil and/or encourage msc. (Not likely but probably still possible)

[atomic locust]

is there some anti-msc sentiment here? 🧐

[grave token]

Same

[sacred fox]

There's... regret I've played all vanilla campaigns with downpour enabled 🥹

Like I've said, I'm not even sure if this argument has much grounds (or much relevance at this point) given my feelings on it

[grave token]

I think the current system works perfectly fine, no need to fix what's not broken

[atomic locust]

if we can do better, why not?
unless you think it's completely equal, or worse, there's no reason not to try for better

[glad void]

i don't like it but i voted meh because it might just be because i naturally dislike change

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1382516810318086175/1382519546824491039/9063_puter.gif

[sour bear]

What happens to people with many threads such as cas, hearts and me? Would we still post in our old threads?

A key reason I keep 1 thread per character (mostly) is to let people avoid spoilers for other characters
Would I just create a bunch of new ones and provide links from my current threads to the respective new ones

[atomic locust]

uhh up to you I suppose? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[grave token]

I don't think it's a good idea, especially for people that have long lasting or old threads that we want to actively keep using, and eventually make a new thread for experimentation purposes in that same forum.

I'm just kinda generally opposed to the idea of "merging" the FP threads

[quasi stirrup]

if there's a lot of tags on a post it's kind of hard to see vanilla/msc tags if they're the last one an op chose as well especially on mobile

[radiant night]

could just have them as the first tags

most of the time the posters will have bought msc with the game and will have it enabled anyway at least from what i have noticed

this change would allow them to just change the tags on the post and keep using it

[quasi stirrup]

not to mention i'm assuming we won't have the help of the automod with msc trigger words in vanilla threads anymore, and people will often casually talk about msc in vanilla threads

[radiant night]

rather than being forced to move, which can be kinda daunting and scary to some people

[quasi stirrup]

it's much harder to moderate in general imo and keep track of

[grave token]

We can also tell people to disable MSC if they're in a vanilla thread, we always give them the option to move or stay

[quasi stirrup]

that's quite difficult to enforce though...

[radiant night]

downpour playthroughs functions as vanilla + msc anyway too

[radiant night]

still can be scary to people new to the discord server to have a staff member tell them they did the wrong thing

[quasi stirrup]

we're not snaff though

[grave token]

Which is why we have us helpers to bridge the gap

[quasi stirrup]

and it's not always official felpers who warn about msc

[radiant night]

helpers are still seen as staff to people not acclimated to how things work

staff help too anyway

[quasi stirrup]

well... that depends if they read the rules or not

[radiant night]

clearly they arent if they are making msc posts in a vanilla thread

[grave token]

That's true, there's also retired helpers

Speaking of I think I'll return to felper hood now

[quasi stirrup]

congrats on the felper!!!

welcome new felper

[quasi stirrup]

also this is only true 50% of the time from what i've seen

there's also the issue of someone being part of a vanilla thread who has not completed the dlcs but wants to try felping, and op switches over to downpour in the same thread, so when that honorary helper opens the thread again they get spoiled

[grave token]

Another reason that we shouldn't merge the threads

@atomic locust another one for the list™

[quasi stirrup]

also how would automod work? or would it just be a watcher spoiler block if this were to happen?

[atomic locust]

yea

that part is fairly simple

[quasi stirrup]

so no more msc block

[atomic locust]

why is that bad

[modern harness]

Spoilers in a vanilla thread not getting blocked

[quasi stirrup]

even if it doesn't get triggered often in vanilla threads, it's a good barrier to have just in case

[radiant night]

it is the kind of change that might bring more problems than what it is worth

it wont really help with organization too much
I already have a big list of threads, it would still just be a big list

fyi i dont really pick a side in these debates and just say how i feel personally about both sides
so dont like.. put me on the list of haters or something..... im not someone who just picks one and ignores everything and i worry thats how people feel about me

can discord just add an option for moderators to be able to allocate posts to different folders

[atomic locust]

if someone is saying a spoiler in a vanilla thread, then it isnt a vanilla thread, no?

unless you mean someone who isnt the author, which I find.. unlikely 🧐

[atomic locust]

organization isnt a factor for me personally

the main issue I have with the current system is people having to move over between the threads, which they often express great dislike for having to do

removing that and allowing more continuity for users would be good, I think

[radiant night]

(being able to just pick up a vanilla post and put it in downpour would be so much easier, which is why i brought up wishing it would be possible to)
then it could just be done without having to create a new post, organization doesnt bother me too much either

[atomic locust]

shrimply not a possibility, nor something I expect discord to ever add

not something I care to dwell on personally

[radiant night]

it does make it easier for me to just say "i want to help all vanilla posts right now" and have the option to at a glance know which is which

[quasi stirrup]

it has happened before, and sometimes the op has knowledge of msc spoilers before even starting the game

[radiant night]

instead of having to manually look at the tags on each thread to know which is which

[atomic locust]

has happened before is not enough for me to consider it a large factor

it'd need to be a pattern

[radiant night]

it happens regularly enough that felpers have to pay attention and remove it

[atomic locust]

ehhh I feel like I barely see it?

[radiant night]

it happened a couple hours ago

[quasi stirrup]

not to mention abilities have been talked about of msc slugcats in vanilla threads very casually before getting warned/deleted

[atomic locust]

I get the pings too 🫴

[radiant night]

they dont always ping for it because it gets taken care of asap

[quasi stirrup]

we lurk

[atomic locust]

and if the author of a thread posts MSC spoilers in their vanilla playthrough's thread, I think that being allowed is Convenient and Good

[radiant night]

also op doesnt ping for it
only time you get a ping for it is from honorary felpers

[atomic locust]

people that want to look at someone else's thread are at the bottom of my priority list, to be honest

the system is made for the players

[quasi stirrup]

it's usually not the op

[atomic locust]

and I think all should serve their convenience

[radiant night]

the main issue is outsiders coming in and saying spoilers

[atomic locust]

I dont think a merger would significantly increase that

[radiant night]

you are correct and i agree with that

[atomic locust]

I could see it having some effect, but it seems like something that would happen either way

[quasi stirrup]

it does make it harder to moderate though unless we remember what threads are specifically vanilla or msc

checking tags every single time seems a bit bothersome

[radiant night]

the autoblock does censor A LOT of things for us

[sacred fox]

Especially on mobile

[atomic locust]

I might be missing something but I see 8 total results for blocks for #1269808032276152451

[quasi stirrup]

and people are not very good at updating tags 🥹

[atomic locust]

tag updating seems like it'll be the biggest hassle to me

ultimately I think the tradeoff is worth it, because it improves the experience of the player

it diminishes the experiences of the helpers somewhat, but we are not the priority

[radiant night]

still 8 things that were instantly taken care of before harm was done

[grave token]

I just prefer the system we have, it's easy to tell what threads are what, and it'd only kill off really old threads that are still active (like Cas's Gourm thread and Heart's threads), on top of the fact that someone that joined for a vanilla campaign after they beat vanilla could be spoiled halfway through a post bc the OP turns on MSC

[quasi stirrup]

i can't even jump to the top of threads on my phone, so i'll have to reopen the forum list every time i want to see tags or edit the thread tags to see what they are

[atomic locust]

but is it a lot in all caps? 🤨

[radiant night]

now youre just being picky with how im trying to convey tone through text 😭

[atomic locust]

im just sayin, it isnt a pattern

I dont want to base these decisions off of what are essentially anecdotes

[radiant night]

im sorry im really bad at it and have a tough time understanding social cues

[quasi stirrup]

people who have hundreds or thousands of messages in a thread of documentation are going to be upset yeah

[atomic locust]

why? it wont be gone

[quasi stirrup]

they can't use it anymore

[atomic locust]

they can make a new one, though

and the old one still exists

[grave token]

It also kinda makes organization a mess

[quasi stirrup]

starting from scratch sucks, there's also the fact they can't link to old messages easily

[atomic locust]

isnt that the very problem the current system creates for more users?

this would be a one-time thing

and yea, it wouldnt be great, but it's a one-time thing

[radiant night]

i think the general consensus from the felpers active here right now is they are against the merging, but if others want to add in when they are awake or not busy i will be interested to see what else could be added to the discussion

[quasi stirrup]

they always have the option of disabling downpour though

[grave token]

Especially if we keep old forums and make a new combined forum, there's also just having a big list that's at least decently organized (like we have currently) and having a big disorganized list that's hard to pick through

[quasi stirrup]

i mean, it shouldn't be other people having to lose their old threads because the ones who enable downpour aren't reading the pinned thread rules

[atomic locust]

isnt that still super restrictive?

[quasi stirrup]

not really

[atomic locust]

it isnt people not reading thread rules, it's people enabling MSC after starting a run

well, a mix

but the latter group is there, and large

[sacred fox]

Chances are, even with this change people that haven't read the rules will likely still mess up the tags by accident

[atomic locust]

telling people that they dont have to move, because they can simply choose not to use the DLC they bought isnt a real choice, no?

people are gonna play the DLC

they'll make the sacrifice and move to their new thread, it's just not something they'll enjoy

[quasi stirrup]

true, but it will still make moderation way more hectic for felpers

[radiant night]

rainworld dlc is odd in the fact it isnt just a "part two" of the original game which is where a lot of people get confused

[modern harness]

As an avid organizer this would just make it harder for me to felp in the future once I get back into it due to schoolwork

I like it being seperate and organized

[radiant night]

it only takes an explanation most of the time, and the auto respond feature of sprinkles handles it

[atomic locust]

anyways, my ultimate points are:

• The issues of people losing threads is a one-time thing that, while not being ideal, isnt something we should hold onto to stop positive change forever.
• The tag issues might be problematic, we'd have to see how things play out.
• Any issues relating to people wanting to view someone else's thread are secondary to me, as we should be focusing on the experience of the OP.
• The biggest bonus of this, for me, is that people wouldnt have to move threads randomly, and there would be less pressure to boot people out of their threads once a lick of MSC has been found. Continuity! If there is concern with the first point of a few legacy users losing large threads, doesnt it pale in comparison to the potentially hundreds that will have to move with the current system in the future?

[quasi stirrup]

i have no way to easily view tags so i'd likely be felping less in general unless i was on my laptop

[atomic locust]

random alternative I just thought of, we could just encourage people that plan to play with DLC in the future to use #1272670046434492426 even if they dont have the DLC yet

that way they wouldnt have to move

basically, allowing vanilla in the dp thread

[radiant night]

i mean could we have a bot that sends an automated message in every vanilla thread

[sacred fox]

I like the idea of having a vanilla tag in downpour threads

[grave token]

I have an argument against the third point, because someone could go into the thread thinking that the OP does have MSC enabled and then spoils the OP because they think the OP has MSC enabled, when they don't

[atomic locust]

I think it'd probably just confuse people honestly

[sacred fox]

Also fair, was just about to say "although it'd only really work for those familiar with the system already"

[atomic locust]

I discussed that with someone a bit ago, and don't consider it to be a significant factor personally. It's the type of speculative thing that we arent really able to know unless we see it first-hand

[grave token]

I've seen it first hand in a vanilla forum multiple times

[atomic locust]

these suggestion discussions become a bit unbearable for me when the focus is on hypotheticals

[radiant night]

such as "hey make sure if you have msc enabled (or ever plan to have it) move to https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1272670046434492426!"

[atomic locust]

the speculation is that there would be an increase

if it stays the same, it is a non-factor

and I don't think you can surely say that there will be a significant increase. I don't doubt a small one though

[modern harness]

Even if it stays the same it only makes it harder for us to felp because viewing tags sucks

I dont wanna have to check tags every time someone else says something about MSC just to make sure its clear for the thread

[radiant night]

if you havent seen some OP's create a table of contents for their posts to keep them connected anyway too

[atomic locust]

I'm willing to sacrifice some ease of fpelping for the players' sake personally 🫴

[sacred fox]

I do agree that the OP's experience matters more, but making it a little more difficult for felpers can arguably chain it into making an OP's experience worse as well

Ex, I have to scroll all the way up and out of the thread to double check before I blast something

[modern harness]

Felpers having to take the extra time to check tags makes it more likely for the op to get spoiled

[sacred fox]

And I can testify that sometimes speed is really important

[atomic locust]

tangentially related; if some of you are really lurking and sniping spoilers that quickly, that seems like something that could lead to burnout and I encourage you to all take breaks and not treat fpelping like a job and whatnot

[radiant night]

it seems we are on alternating schedules

[grave token]

I'm just on whenever I can be bc I have nothing better to do
...which is coincidentally the way I got burnt out

[glad void]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1175744715249946674/1408217010646683788/21220.gif

[quasi stirrup]

that scav is so silly

thank you for your input gobbler

[glad void]

i am being very helpful

[sacred fox]

I wholeheartedly agree with this; usually when I catch these happening, it's when a new thread has been created and someone who isn't all that familiar with how the spoil-system works chimes in to give immediate or soilers answers that stray from the policies. (It's not often, but it does happen).

[glad void]

wow i wonder who made that gif

[grave token]

[grave token]

Snowstorm👀

[sacred fox]

(Your contribution is well-admired and greatly appreciated )

[crude oxide]

Yesh

[gray musk]

Not sure, is the modded FP spoiler policy the same as the rest?

[quasi stirrup]

i think so

[gray musk]

Also, for merging the 2 forums I don't see a inherent problem with it, but it would make it harder to differentiate between the MSC/no MSC.
This could of course be fixed if a bot added a M- to the start for any post with the msc tag, and a command so we can quickly pull a list of the tags on devices where it's otherwise inconvenient.

[gray musk]

maybe even 2 leter code, first letter: VMW second letter (whatever slugcat is currently played)

[quasi stirrup]

the unfortunate thing is that it's really common an op doesn't update post tags

[gray musk]

Well, I guess that means it would be up to us to update them.

[crude oxide]

I'd rather put "Downpour content" or something in the title of a thread than tell the op to move to downpour threads

[placid hedge]

i switched too

after reflexion i think i dont feel at ease with this merging, i can confirm also that i never see the tags on a thread

[crude oxide]

I don't understand why tags is such a problem

[placid hedge]

when the thread goes on people wont try to come back at the beginning of the thread just to see the tags, discord fault for not being able to see the tags easily at any given moment

[placid hedge]

[placid hedge]

i see it happening fairly often

[placid hedge]

this

[placid hedge]

yeah i wont do a new thread if that happens

might be interesting to make a community vote

[placid hedge]

the issue with the last point is that legacy users are an equally important part of the community than the others, especially because they also are more active on the discord and this keep fuel their motivation to do so

[sour bear]

my threads are not very continuous 🤣

[placid hedge]

beware also that you told felpers to be careful of burnouts, but this particularly can make them more akin to get one

[placid hedge]

also this

[sour bear]

boogie

[placid hedge]

also where is this pin its driving me mad

oh the event

[sour bear]

@placid hedge

wait... ghost ping maybe...

[crude oxide]

Which is why it is recommended to help after completing the game and its dlc's

[placid hedge]

however the more time goes on and the more content rain world will have, which means it would be more and more difficult to get new felpers if we prefer ones that did everything

also some may want to be part of the community with what they think would motivate them to stay on the discord, whether its felping or something else, but there should be no more specific time frame involved in order to do so, than what has already been set

[crude oxide]

I am first of all for making the op's experience better, and you can't deny that the system of separating vanilla and downpour is extremely confusing for a new player

[crude jetty]

It is true that it gets confusing for a new player when you have to cherry pick which parts of the canon are 'canon' depending on the situation.
Personally I wouldn't bring it up unless the player is playing Watcher, since that's when it can get messy.

[crude oxide]

Not even just canon or non canon, vanilla and downpour are so similar that it's really hard to notice the changes when you're a new player

As for the argument that some people would get spoiled after the op starts documenting dp playthrough, what i usually see is that people announce that they're moving on to downpour in their threads. Besides, I've already [said](#1270823904247546017 message) it, the op or helpers can change the name of a thread to something that indicates that it has downpour content

[crude oxide]

I understand this but still, i am all for making the player's experience better first of all

[radiant night]

I briefly said this before but rather than only having the instructions as the first post we could have a bot that sends a message in every new post to help guide them
It would mitigate the intimidation factor I think

Like sprinkles auto respond but more catered to the posts themselves
It could even bring up watcher

[placid hedge]

i like this

[sour bear]

I don't think cas has ever seen an active stowaway before but.. has she??? Id like to see her reaction lol

[radiant night]

They are always there

She was walked under them many times

[quasi stirrup]

meanwhile cas in your gourmand thread 🥹

[gray musk]

This is something that might not be a bad idea.

[radiant night]

If it’s too obnoxious it could be something felpers can manually delete once OP acknowledges it
Or it could be interact able and OP can click a button for it to be deleted

[gray musk]

That sounds pretty well thought out.

[quasi stirrup]

op being able to have it deleted or maybe even only op being able to view it would be nice yeah

but i'm a little unsure how that'll actually help with the intimidation factor

i've noticed people are generally more responsive to being told things by felpers or other server members, more than once i see them ignore the sprinkles auto responses

and at least for me, there's the possibility new members can think bots are tied way more to moderation ex. a dm from courier means they assume they're in trouble

[placid hedge]

yeah most players reactions to (honorary) felpers are ''ono i did bad things im in trouble''

including me

[tender bloom]

You all have been bitten

[quasi stirrup]

what did i do

[crude oxide]

Not me

[sour bear]

I forgot about that

Darn....
Darn

[quasi stirrup]

i think she might think it's a scorpion

i hope

dropwig

[sour bear]

That's what she says

Should I delete those messages

... Probably

[quasi stirrup]

no

that'll make it more suspicious but oh well

[sour bear]

I love having cas around but not being able to document fully freely is... hard

I almost spoiled her to saint ending in my artificer thread

[quasi stirrup]

i understand, especially because she thinks she has seen everything already in certain campaigns

[quasi stirrup]

yeah i'm scared of accidentally spoiling hearts in mine

[sour bear]

I deleted those messages and then she just turns up like not even a minute later

[quasi stirrup]

that's scary

[sour bear]

Sait ending is one thing you do NOT want to be soiled for. Especially for someone like cas

[sacred fox]

definitely

[atomic locust]

hearts?

[sour bear]

Thirteen hearts care to give

#1387576724232994877 message this person

[fresh atlas]

skong? in MY fp guide coordination? /silly

[atomic locust]

oops wrong thread

[fresh atlas]

wowwwwwwww

[atomic locust]

carry on first playthroughers

you saw nothing

[fresh atlas]

sorry we have to explode you now

[atomic locust]

😲

[fresh atlas]

oh wow

[sour bear]

Add silksong spoilers to the spoil blocker /silly

[radiant night]

the automated message would be a more blatant reminder, it should be short and to the point

no matter what someone is going to feel intimidated in some way, its more of a personal thing that varys between person to person

[quasi stirrup]

yeah i'm just mentioning it may not do much to lessen intimidation

[quasi stirrup]

we're supposed to encourage people to only have one post per campaign in a forum, right? the pinned forum posts and post guidelines have a little bit of misleading wording if that's the case

[atomic locust]

I think that post was made before policies were solidified

@calm sparrow boop

[quasi stirrup]

i figured i realized it awhile ago and forgot to bring it up

[radiant night]

Oh wow that could explain why people commonly make multiple posts
or they just do it naturally anyway

[quasi stirrup]

for that reason i'm surprised up to this point there hasn't been at least one person who has said "but the pinned post said-"

[lyric moss]

Yeah, feels more like people just don't read before posting... which kinda makes sense, sadly

[calm sparrow]

should I reword it?

it's up to personal preference lol

whether you want one central post or want to make new posts everytime you need help

[grizzled prism]

in my personal opinion it would be nicer if people stayed in one post so it's easier to see what they have done

but I'm not really a regular so I wouldnt say my opinion matters much

[quasi stirrup]

you do bring up a good point and your opinion matters regardless

but it's definitely better to know their progression and it doesn't cause forums to fill with several posts from the same person

felpers are encouraged to keep people to one forum post per campaign also, so

[placid hedge]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1416149576154480811

i find this thread very spoily

[quasi stirrup]

blasted

i didn't even see the message here

[placid hedge]

thx !

[grave token]

@merry rapids take a read through the pins in this thread please

You aren't in trouble btw, this is standard procedures

[sour bear]

@verbal kelp yeah you should see the pins in this thread too we try not to spoil the thread OPs much because the game was designed around you exploring and stuff... And the overseer should lead them to lttm/FP anyway

[verbal kelp]

Cool cool

[glad void]

@timber iris do we know if they know of caramel lizors uet

[timber iris]

whar

idk

[glad void]

maybe not a good idea to mention them then /nm

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1309179200565018645/1399009352907624458/2341BubbleBucketHead.gif

[quasi stirrup]

@dusty jetty do a repost blast in that thread!!!

i don't know if you've reposted something yet so

[dusty jetty]

yes I was looking for the message where i asked how to do thatt

cuz I forgot and never did

[quasi stirrup]

you just send .repost

should work

if it ever doesn't, sprinkles exploded

congrats on first repost blast though!!!!

[dusty jetty]

Yess done, thanks

[gray musk]

Congrats on 💥

[sacred fox]

💥

[grave token]

@rough arch Since I noticed you seemed interested in helping in the threads, take a read through the pins here! They include the guidelines that we Felpers (first-playthrough-helpers) follow

If you have any questions, do ask

(Do note that this thread contains spoilers for ALL MSC/Vanilla campaigns)

[rough arch]

👁️ 👄 👁️ 👍

[grave token]

You aren't in any trouble btw, this is just standard practice for the FP threads

[rough arch]

[grave stag]

now when cas is hyperfocused on song silk, which fp thread I should spectate? :D

[grave token]

Mine /hj

[glad void]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1415144752139210812

[grave stag]

what is it even named these days?

[grave token]

#1282436849675014288

Mine doesn't change names often unlike @glad void 's

[grave stag]

ah I am just blind

I really should keep better track of fp threads like I used to

[quasi stirrup]

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[sacred fox]

I'd recommend mine, but it's not been terribly active because -- you'll never guess -- skong

[grave token]

@shy zephyr take a read through the pins in this thread

[shy zephyr]

Ok

I have no idea what I'm looking for...

[grave token]

What're ya confused on?

[shy zephyr]

You said to read through the pins but I don't know what pin to look at

[sour bear]

#1270823904247546017 message

This one

It's the first playthrough helper protocol

If your gonna jump in the threads u gotta follow protocol yo

[shy zephyr]

Oh right, thanks

[quasi stirrup]

felping

[dusty jetty]

I forgot to explode this one, I'm sorry 🙏 https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1417199292741058610

[quasi stirrup]

no need to apologize for that

[sour bear]

Yeah we're pretty chill with it

[sour bear]

Lights ascending hunter... NOW
Edit: that happened a while ago now
#1406681612292325538 message

[placid hedge]

i appeared just after but its ok i could talk a bit

[dusty jetty]

I love them, very entertaining to watch

and very cool theories they make

"I wish I could play a game for the first time again..."

[forest flax]

message to join thread

[crude jetty]

You have successfully joined the thread.

[forest flax]

hell yeah!

[sour bear]

Now for the real challenge: thread the join

Uhh u beat like saint and all that right

[dusty jetty]

sait

big downpour spoilers here, big scary

[forest flax]

nop! im leaving this thread 4 later, just joining it now for future ref

[sour bear]

This thread will spoil everything about everything rain world related (no watcher spoilers!! No modded spoilers!!!)

Ah

[gray musk]

Ehhh #1403491163104870462 message
what do you think, blast?

[quasi stirrup]

it's not anything particularly spoilery, but i do think it's worth the usual felper rundown

it's more like random advice to me at least so 🥹

[sacred fox]

Oh I saw it before I saw this and said something (more or less to the effect of "yes, but also no")

[quasi stirrup]

amazing first playthroughs plug

[sacred fox]

Thank you

[placid hedge]

felpers should get a medal

[quasi stirrup]

peanut medal???

[placid hedge]

would be could

[crude oxide]

No. That's for chalvers

[quasi stirrup]

no gatekeeping peanut

/silly

[grave stag]

still not having complete picture what went down but oh well :D

[quasi stirrup]

they just sent the name of a youtuber saying they give spoiler free tips if ever feeling stuck

either another felper or they deleted their message

[grave stag]

I mean peanut situation :D

[quasi stirrup]

oh like peanut touch? or just chalvers and peanuts in general

[grave stag]

both

even tho I have heard rumours about both of them :D

[quasi stirrup]

peanut touch was just a silly role where saying or doing certain things would cause you to gain or lose the peanut touch role

it died off because it made some people uncomfortable so spreading was disabled

as for chalver peanut lore i have no idea

[radiant night]

brown fruit

[quasi stirrup]

was a challenges test role

killed sprinkles when deleted 🥹

[radiant night]

@quasi stirrup

I still think passages would be a spoiler

Link for context #1417524448420167730 message

[quasi stirrup]

oh i just saw this

[radiant night]

I’m still of the belief that that setting is beneficial for vanilla too, not just downpour

Mainly for colored pearls

[quasi stirrup]

you're not going to know the usage of those in a first playthrough really

that's why i specify right now

they're definitely useful for pearls but it's not something i think op has time for either rn

[radiant night]

You are able to still discover and use it in a first playthrough

clearly some have gone over a thousand cycles

[quasi stirrup]

they can only get in about an hour of gameplay a week though

anyway you can make any suggestions you see fit, i was just giving my personal recommendations

[radiant night]

It doesn’t matter how much each week they play they still are able to discover the mechanic even if it takes a year

[quasi stirrup]

feel free to recommend it then!! like i said it's my personal recommendations and experiences and they're of course subjective

you can add any input you want to, different felpers will always view things differently after all

i'm sure op will toggle what they see fit anyway with the short amount of time they have to play

[radiant night]

I did

[quasi stirrup]

directed at me yeah, but not directed towards op
either way this is an opinion based matter so best to leave it at that

[north mural]

Some remix settings really perplex me as to why they're not full on patches

They can be pretty valuable to the point where their untouched vanilla form oughta almost be considered a bug

[quasi stirrup]

tweaked deer behavior 🥹

[tranquil mulch]

tbh that one makes sense to be toggleable just because it patches deerglitch

it falls to a similar category to Vanilla Exploits
(and Deerglitch was indeed known for a long while before 1.9 released)

[north mural]

In that case though why not make it default patched and then deerglitch reaccessible within the Exploits toggle

[quasi stirrup]

new exploits "untweaked deer behavior"

[radiant night]

It’s fine as is

Not many people even know to do circular motions to move the deer anyway since it’s unintuitive

That’s why some claim it’s harder to control them when it’s on

[placid hedge]

i agree, i activated the option but never understood this

[radiant night]

there is a difference between clockwise and counterclockwise too

[modern harness]

I love arbitrarily complicated controls

[quasi stirrup]

i didn't even understand the tutorial text

i thought they'd get mad at me so i never knew it was a feature 🥹

[modern harness]

"Moving around quickly may startle this creature" Is that a good or bad thing

[quasi stirrup]

LITERALLY

i don't want to make them mad when everything else pretty much wants to kill me

[modern harness]

And then if you do the thing it shakes it head and yells so it makes it seem. Not good if its interpreted like trying to throw you off

[placid hedge]

[quasi stirrup]

i already knew friendship was a thing with scavs at the time, if i experienced this early on it would make me think my raindeer rep was decreasing

speaking of friendship me taming lizards completely neutralized all of them in my first playthrough so i thought they were just like that

then i played gourmand 🥹

[modern harness]

[grave token]

@burnt portal take a read through the pins in this thread

[sacred fox]

Let's have a read

[quasi stirrup]

[quasi stirrup]

#1419132761133809725 message this isn't the tutorial shelter right? is it the one by the drainage gate?

is it worth a 💥 or 🥹

HOLDING BACK TEARS IS NOT AN OPTION I MEAN

[grave token]

Looks like the shelter near drainage

Starting shelter has a left entrance on the outside

[quasi stirrup]

💥?

[grave token]

💥 ✅

[quasi stirrup]

‼️

[glad void]

tutorial shelter has an entrance fron the right iirc

[quasi stirrup]

i thought so but wasn't sure since it is the same size

im so used to the downward facing one

[narrow finch]

i just realized

cas playing monk means she'll learn that oe is open for surv/monk

who was that that did the face holding back tears

you can't hide from me

[sour bear]

the tutorial shelter is the one with the red rune at the top right

its a large one too

unmistakable

on nmy first game i looked that red rune and i immediately knew the lore would be great

[quasi stirrup]

yeah it is

i didn't even notice it, i was too freaked out from the sudden rain my first playthrough

[grave token]

@barren sierra take a read through the pins in this thread

You aren't in trouble btw

[quasi stirrup]

#1419343733417185412 message hi felpers what are your opinions on this thread

i already gave a response but i thought i'd ask anyway if anyone thinks differently, basically harpy is their oc but they're still playing gourmand's campaign, just with a dms skin

and they plan to use the thread for harpy lore and such

[grave token]

I think if it's an OC thing then it should go in a story channel, no?

But if they're also documenting, then they should document there

Actually, considering the state of my thread, I should have very little say in this

[quasi stirrup]

yeah that's why i'm a bit unsure

(i also forgot the story channels existed)

[quasi stirrup]

after another look, feel free to suggest #1267947477437255761 if you'd like

there are some oc stuff there

[sacred fox]

I think it's fine as long as the general topic of the thread is playthrough I agree with Ruffles on the story forms too as well

Imagine she finds the cloak and gets the "canon" reason for why Moon has it

[quasi stirrup]

yeah now that they're documenting there's a lot of gameplay so i'm assuming it's a mix of gameplay and lore

[midnight plinth]

Knowing her she will

Every single inch of that place will be crossed twice over

Even the celings

[glad void]

not a felper but i think it’s pretty cool

a first playthrough with some oc stuff incorporated into it

[quasi stirrup]

it is yeah

[glad void]

i'd say it's okay

if stuff like Music theory :3 and ABNORMAL THREAD [emojis] is allowed then that should be too

[grave token]

(It's #1282436849675014288 )

[glad void]

when did it change

[grave token]

A while ago

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[crude oxide]

Changing it back to Music theory :3 😌

[quasi stirrup]

Music Theory :3 🎶

[grave token]

Is this spoiler blast worthy

[sacred fox]

No clue

[grave token]

Also @slim hound take a read through the pins in this thread /nm

🐌ed Halves

[sacred fox]

[grave token]

🥹

[sacred fox]

Also I'm not perfectly sure how to go about this given how counterintuitive it is, so lmk if I myself am giving tmi 🥹

[grave token]

tmi?

Oh

[sacred fox]

[slim hound]

will do

[sacred fox]

Much obliged, sorry I exploded your message

[grave token]

If you have any questions, ask away

[slim hound]

It's all good!! Thank you for leading me to read about what to do and what not to do

[grave token]

ALSO, this thread contains unmarked for all campaigns (except Watcher, that's forbidden here) so beware

[sacred fox]

Watcher stuff goes in #1356256638541103114 but beware of EVEN MORE unmarked and scary soilers there

[glad void]

absolutely

[radiant night]

#1419487874532773958 message for context on this in case anyone is curious (or if/when Auklet makes it here ), they gave incorrect information about red lizards not existing

i think this is the right way to handle such? but feel free to let me know if its not

i removed their message but i didnt want to draw attention to it in the post

[quasi stirrup]

not bringing attention to it was the best idea yeah

usually when those sort of subtle messages come up i just leave them since the op saw it already, i'm worried in the off chance either the sender or op notice it vanished and then bring attention to it and it becomes a mess 🥹

this means they'll be even more shocked when a red does pop up

i can't wait to see that LMAO

you could actually give them a warning about the color variations talk though being tmi (especially with the image) but that's just what i think

[radiant night]

i just went ahead and deleted all the messages mentioning it and I edited my message a bit to include being careful of giving too much info
maybe that will draw less attention to the one saying red lizards dont exist too?

[quasi stirrup]

definitely!!

yeah that works

[radiant night]

hoping a red lizard gets linaged

even more scary

[quasi stirrup]

@lyric moss i feel like you'd find this funny 🥹 it reminds me of that one modded campaign region you mapped in ms paint

except much less serious