Old FP Guide Coordination [Archived]

[grave token]

NO

You do it

/silly

[radiant night]

my Xbox controller broken

[grave token]

I only know of like 4 console players who can CTV so...

[radiant night]

Time for there to be 5

[grave token]

[opal ibex]

[radiant night]

which rot is better
golden or purple

[opal ibex]

purpl

golden rot doesn't feel right

[radiant night]

there is one in SL

[opal ibex]

huh

i thought the only gold rot is in rubicon

[radiant night]

but I will make an MLL slug because I feel that a rot cyst is my spirit animal 😌

[opal ibex]

damn

[radiant night]

check out the evil golden shoreline rot

[opal ibex]

ok

ohhhhh i remember now

[radiant night]

it ate me when I was playing Hunter because it is evil
it traveled 4 rooms out of spite within less than half the cycle

[opal ibex]

that one rot in shoreline for some reason

idk it looks more green than golden

[radiant night]

someone told me it’s a golden one

[opal ibex]

damn

[radiant night]

It can hear so it’s a dll technically (and it’s larger than the blls)

[opal ibex]

wait it can?

damn i thought it was a bll

[radiant night]

I can’t stress enough how EVIL it is

[gray musk]

@slate patio top of wall?

[slate patio]

from the area before the echo to the rest of the roof

where the jump is to high

[gray musk]

I think the meta there is to tell them.

[slate patio]

so I can tell him you can backflip to throw the spear down and then throw another to climb up?

[gray musk]

Downspear definitely, and I think the rest is also fine.

[slate patio]

okiii

[grave stag]

I usually hint give better hint and then spell that out but tbh that depends on the player what is best way to tell how to get there at the top of the wall

but yeah the general concensus has seemed telling how

[gray musk]

Singularity bomb :)

[crude oxide]

this is what it does

[gray musk]

Why in moons chamber?!??!

[crude oxide]

i wanted to see what happens

it was all for the sake of science

and in the name of it

[quasi stirrup]

obliterated her

[gray musk]

what else were you expecting, she can't stop you from eating a neurom, not talking about a black hole bomb.

[crude oxide]

i died too so nothing happened

i just wanted to see the interaction. also she says some things if you bring this to her

[radiant night]

I think it’s dope and you should have done it and survived

[gray musk]

@lyric moss I assume it was already demasked, and killed by a different vulture.

[lyric moss]

Feels like a very sudden drop for that to happen like that, and with such a resounding mid-air thud, but maybe??

[gray musk]

Is it a good theory? No. Is there a better one? No, I don't think so.

[lyric moss]

Wait, Cas kinda cooked, I think

[gray musk]

Maybe? What would cause the thud tho?

[lyric moss]

Like, this is the most likely option I've seen so far

[lyric moss]

Good question

I don't think explosives would, so maybe there was some off-screen solid boundary shenanigans?? Or maybe the de-abstraction got funky and made it collide with something completely random upon entering the room

This is truly the greatest mystery of our time...

[tawdry crescent]

I need quick advise, should I avoid going through the leg as rivulet because I did go through the leg with gourmand and survivor but I heard that I shouldn’t with rivulet

[opal ibex]

idk dont listen to what other people tell you to go or not to go to places

the only reason leg was bad for gourmand was cuz his lack of mobility

you could be the judge of whether memory crypt/leg is worth your time or you would just go through wall instead

also you shouldn't ask here

[modern harness]

This chat isnt for first playthrough helping, its for first playthrough helpers coordination about helping in the forums

[opal ibex]

there are unfiltered spoilers

[radiant night]

you should make a post (https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1272670046434492426)
or ask in #downpour-spoilers

[modern harness]

#1272670046434492426

[grave token]

@tepid thicket if you haven't already read the pins in this channel

[tepid thicket]

ok

Can't find em on mobile

[grave token]

Click on the name of the thread (while looking in here) and click on pins

[tepid thicket]

Thanks

[grave token]

Dw I'm locked on mobile so (no computer )

If you have questions, just ask

[tepid thicket]

Ok

Thanks

[lyric moss]

What exactly are the respawning rules? I know things usually respawn more at the lowest karma, but I doubt that's all there is to this.

Not that I plan on telling her - the experimentation is the point. But I realized there's probably quite a bit I'm unknowing about.

[silver musk]

Items take a long time to respawn. Each is different but could be expected around 8 cycles. Successful cycles. Only on the lowest karma there's a chance of respawn when you die (I don't know the specifics but you can respawn items by dying at this point)

[lyric moss]

I see! The item variation makes sense.

(I think karma flowers take 7 cycles to respawn, for example)

...I don't know how the flowers work in relation to death, though. Those feel like they'd be a special case, because of what they do.

Anyway, thanks for the general info!

[tranquil mulch]

consuming (code term, not literal consumption) a placed object creates a cycle counter until a new one replaces the one that was disturbed
this cycle counter decrements on each successful cycle or on death cycles that happened on 1 Karma

(Survivor and Monk have some extra special ways for decrementing the counter that don't apply on other campaigns, omitting them here)

[lyric moss]

I see! Thanks for the extra technical info! I'll look into the extra Survivor and Monk stuff another time, but glad to have been introduced to some of the details.

[tranquil mulch]

the cycle counter is randomised with a minimum and a maximum existing for each type of object

[lyric moss]

Makes sense! Any resource for seeing the known min and max for all (or even most (or even some)) of the objects? Apart from looking into code, no experience looking around there yet.

[tranquil mulch]

to be exact:
(watcher content removed)

it being at 0 makes it never respawn

[tranquil mulch]

maxRegen is included in the range of possible values

[tranquil mulch]

oh and karma flowers are included here, but the main handling is completely different, diverging at this point

instead, the consumption is tracked in death persistent save data (so consumption doesn't get reset on death) and each cycle, death or not, contributes to the counter

[lyric moss]

Oh-ho! Explains some of the interactions I've had with flowers

[lyric moss]

Confused what you mean by this - do you mean the maxRegen value is included with the one that doesn't have it listed, or that the max possible value is also included in the range of the other ones? I figure you meant the former, since I assumed the latter anyway

[tranquil mulch]

the range of cycles you need to wait is [minRegen, maxRegen], rather than [minRegen, maxRegen) that's generally used by default in code for ranges

[lyric moss]

I don't know enough about different ranges in C# (I assume it's C#, looks like it) to know the difference, sadly

Thanks for trying to explain, at least

[tranquil mulch]

maybe [minRegen, maxRegen[ is a better way to say a range that includes minRegen but excludes maxRegen

i saw ]a, b[ being used as a range that excludes a and b and cannot stop thinking of that notation since

though I'm still used as marking that as (a, b)

(though in this case it's in naturals only)

[lyric moss]

Ahh, I think I get it. So in most cases, the range is a value that could be equal to the minimum, but is always at least 1 below the maximum, and the exception also includes maxRange somehow?

(I'm sure there's a lot I'm missing, but this is a lot for me to learn about at once, so that's inevitable and something I'm fine with )

[atomic locust]

MATH 😟

[lyric moss]

Math...

Maybe there's better places for this discussion, lol

But also, math jumpscare funny

[atomic locust]

not like this chat has anything else goin on

[lyric moss]

Yeah, figured. And it is kinda related, with the code for respawning objects, etc.

[lyric moss]

One more question, when you get the chance - could you tell me what the rspoilered Watcher thing is somewhere else? Or anyone knowing, really.
(Unless it's a super-late endgame spoiler)

[grave token]

[crude oxide]

@glad void I don't think we should outright tell tech names and such

[glad void]

probably

i have a habit of just revealing everything when it comes to movement sorry

you can see wall pounces in the remix menu but

i guess you can also see the hunter cycle limits and that's Definitely a spoiler

[crude oxide]

if the op discovered it it's alright. but not just tell them about it

[opal ibex]

why is that there

they're survivor

[grave token]

Lineage

[crude oxide]

punishment for killing too much

[opal ibex]

lmao

nah thats not punishment that's reward

you get a cool cyan frien in industrial

[crude oxide]

would you say the same thing when eventually a red lizard spawns?

[grave token]

Yes

Cool red friend

[quasi stirrup]

[grave token]

[opal ibex]

yes

experience the hunter red lizor in survivor

but it's in a place with much more mobility

[tender bloom]

*bellows*

Sprinkles lies down on her side as you're petting!

[north mural]

Spears you in the gas bladder hitbox

[opal ibex]

damn

[grave token]

@grizzled sparrow take a read through the pins in this channel

[glad void]

let's have a read

[grave token]

Do you mean their message history?

[north mural]

Let's have a taste

[grave token]

Let's have a watch

I swear if I get one more felper ping in watcher fp's

[glad void]

pings you

[grave token]

Kills you

/silly

[glad void]

@grave token

procure your new pc faster so you can play water

[grave token]

Let's see Watcher released 4/2/25...
and it's almost 6/1/25
wait I'm crazy nvm

I mean, Watcher will come eventually (hopefully before 10/2/25)

[glad void]

watcher will come tomorro

w

[grave token]

I wish

[glad void]

if you wish hard enough it could be true

get a puter i want to see you play water

[grave token]

I can tell

[glad void]

[grave token]

At least it's something I'm not soiled on so I'll be going in fully blind😌

[glad void]

not for long

[grave token]

At least with my felper powers I can brain blast messages in my watcher thread

[glad void]

:monk1984:

wait what was it called

there

monk 1984 🥹

[grave token]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1243998155213635646/1370247488820482158/caption.gif

New gif just dropped

For you people who talk in #offtopic-agenderal and #misc-pan-chat

ahem Gobbler

[glad void]

i only talk in misc (and soiler genderal) though

not soiler genderal is too active

[grave token]

Either way

Wait does soiler genderal have watcher stuff allowed now

[glad void]

yes but it has to be spoiler tagged and marked as such

[north mural]

For the sake of my inner peace I have graduated to talking nowhere and being solely a fpelper inhabiter

[grave token]

Oh good

[north mural]

I have to avoid the irritating loreheads at all costs

[glad void]

my channels

aside from fp threads

and server stuff

[radiant night]

bless customization

[glad void]

okay i handled this absolutely awfully

if anyone wants to help it will be very appreciated

[dark tiger]

ah, the pain of keeping things vague but also trying to not give useless garbage...

[glad void]

i was going to say "they are there to fill in a void that was left by your action" or something like that but that is WAY too big of a hint

[dark tiger]

that DOES go hard however

[crude oxide]

tenor blast

[crude oxide]

tug

[opal ibex]

they met rot :3

[lyric moss]

they met tug!!

[opal ibex]

inded

they met CONSUME

[lyric moss]

they met TLCOADLLSAACH

[opal ibex]

and yknow wee both had to censor it cuz there's another guy in the server that's going through his rw first playthrough

anyways cant wait for the unfortunate development gameplay

[lyric moss]

They sure will face an Unfortunate Development...

(Or maybe they'll be part of the, like, 3% of people who take one of the other Five Pebbles paths, who knows)

[opal ibex]

indeed

[opal ibex]

(i was that part of the 3%)

[lyric moss]

I climbed the wall on my first playthrough, but then decided to climb through the inside afterwards, so I'm an even smaller part of that 3%

(I knew about UD, and avoided it until I did my Monk playthrough shortly after Suivor)

[tranquil mulch]

i actually met the UW echo and then climbed down and entered SS through Underhang 💥

i imagine I could have just turned around to CC if I had MSC disabled and didn't get a grapple in UH lol

[lyric moss]

That's the experience I wish I had, lol

[north mural]

I did the underhang gate on all the slugcats

[lyric moss]

I just entered Five Pebbles too from there, so I missed the GSB payoff by already being there...

[north mural]

Scenic route for me pls

[lyric moss]

Is a good way! I think I enter that way often.

[tranquil mulch]

i was told of Downspearing afterwards so I didn't use Underhang gate after the first experience
except on Rivulet because I was told to use that pathway

[north mural]

It does suck a little on slugcats who get less food from neurons

But still worth it

I've rarely done unfortunate development haha

There is zero reason to do it, absolute hellplace

[tranquil mulch]

what if you want the <@&904855352451956746> colour

[north mural]

Main body > recursive transform > memory conflux

Utterly impossible to die there

Except like two dlls

[sacred fox]

I got directed through memory crypts/underhang and only had the map, no labels for pebbles

[lyric moss]

Or if you wanna do the cool zero-g rot puzzle navigation

[sacred fox]

You can guess which route I ended up in

[lyric moss]

Doesn't help that the map design directly pushes you in that direction if you have no prior map knowledge, with 2 entrances to UD, the second one being much easier to notice than the somewhat hidden normal path

Monk actually makes it easier by blocking one of the entrances there, so there would only be the first split path, so the standard way is actually a bit easier to find.

[sacred fox]

I'm yet to go through UD as monk

I should

Just to suffer

[crude oxide]

you go through it twice in one cycle

[quasi stirrup]

what an unfortunate development

[opal ibex]

so true

[opal ibex]

lmao

they plan on bringing moon pebble's neurons now :)

going from underhang to shaded to shoreline

[grave token]

Ok, I know I should remember this by now, but is Joop allowed in vanilla threads?

(Asking because of this #1376534975318593578 message)

[atomic locust]

shouldn't be a problem

[grave token]

Alrighty then

[tranquil mulch]

if jolly coop is enabled, MSC is likely too
I'd ask about it and suggest moving if it is, but not force it

[crude oxide]

i could make an inv thread

[opal ibex]

nouuuu

[lyric moss]

yheeee

[opal ibex]

oh could not couldn't

yeeaarae

[lyric moss]

dew it

Do it for Inv

_ _

[opal ibex]

do it for :3cat

[lyric moss]

Do it for Tone

Tone is their sibling

very real

✅✅✅✅✅✅✅✅✅

(The joke is ||that Enot is Tone backwards||)

[opal ibex]

real

[radiant night]

I wish I could mute specific threads but discord not allowing me to

I just don’t wanna read inv thread

[north mural]

The trusty big mute button:

[radiant night]

It doesn’t work

I swear im not an idiot sometimes

it says it’s because I have the entire server muted

[silver musk]

Can you just leave the thread?

[radiant night]

I’m not following it

I never joined 😭

[silver musk]

how does it keep bothering you then? Oh or do you mean the message indicators near the forum itself?

[radiant night]

It shows an unread forum so I keep think there is a new post but it’s just inv thread

[silver musk]

[north mural]

Maybe de-mute the server then lol

And put the Notification Settings to Nothing as substitute

[radiant night]

mildly infuriating to me to see the little dot by the server in the list but I still want to see when I get pinged
im just picky about it I guess but I’ll try muting the thread then muting the server again after

[north mural]

Perchance

[radiant night]

Everything must be pleasing to the eye or my skin will crawl 🙏

[north mural]

Every server I'm in has the dot because there's inevitably a bajillion channels that do not concern me and will never open, so l didn't get to develop that ick

Surely l can delete channels from my followed topics or suchlike but also I'm lazy

[radiant night]

I just have all servers muted

Except for small ones that I want to be up to date in all channels

[north mural]

Yeah I'll religiously read small friends ones

[gray musk]

I learnt to ignore big ones.

[vernal tulip]

i didn't intend to claim you did. but to give a counter-example as to why saying something is hard isn't necessarily not motivating

@radiant night

and i did specify in my original message "dw though you get used to the RW controls eventually, and then it becomes very intuitive to force your will onto the bananaman"

[radiant night]

I never found the slugcat to be unresponsive in any way when I first started playing, im not an expert by any means in the game either
I think I only have 200 hours..

[vernal tulip]

200h isnt insignificant, enough time to beat both slugcat and watcher DLC and still have ample time to fill with random playthroughs with friends (source: me)

[radiant night]

everyone plays at their own pace and it appears you sped through it all if you did it that quickly

[vernal tulip]

and i dont expect you to have that same experience. everyone has a different experience
controls complaints is just a common hting ive heard amongst new people

[radiant night]

you should spend time getting the collectibles if you haven’t and delivering pearls - if that’s something that interests you in any way

[vernal tulip]

e.g the person im playing with through survivor atm has voiced multiple times he has issues with the controls. and he usually spends his time playing roguelikes and other difficult games so im sure its not him complaining because we die a lot.

admittedly we are using controllers and that adds an extra layer of difficulty

anyways, with "feels unresponsive" i didnt intend to say they are unresponsive

[dark tiger]

the physics based controls of rw are hard to get a handle on, it's a learning hurdle for most people in my experience, including myself

but I find it a lot better on mouse and keyboard

[vernal tulip]

its just that is how it can feel at the start when you dont fully grasp when/how your slugcat interacts with terrain.

[dark tiger]

yeah

[vernal tulip]

and even now i sometimes have issues for example with high normal jumps

yknow the jumps where your scug can barely make the height and has to pull themselves up on the ledge?

if you jump wrongly you dont get enough height, so i still sometimes need a few tries to get it

[north mural]

Well the only difference is holding down your jump button longer, no?

Instead of a tap

[radiant night]

and/or holding the up button so you can grab the pole or whatever it may be

[vernal tulip]

i've thought about it.

and my play pattern is basically as follows:

i play for 2 hours
i get exhausted from the large dose of adrenaline every predator encounter gives me
wheter i got further or remained stuck at the same shelter, i take a break
i come back the next day and repeat from step 1

evidently its been a very time-efficient play pattern lol

[vernal tulip]

if you do it while hugging the ledge you lose some max height in my experience

[radiant night]

It’s in one of the first rooms where you have to learn to jump and grab things

[vernal tulip]

usually i emmediately remember and just take a step back from the ledge and then i get it

[radiant night]

i am referring to this room specifically

the top left pipe

[vernal tulip]

i mean thats just a leap jump afaik

and then a pole -> pole jump
with a annoying mini pole that i sometimes get stuck on

[radiant night]

it is built to get you to learn how to navigate

[vernal tulip]

true

[radiant night]

as with most of su

[north mural]

Hugging the ledge will also try to initiate a walljump

Which can be annoying as well yeah

[vernal tulip]

basically

OH i also remember not understanding how to grab a pole while falling xd

i eventually got it

and then got bamboozled when in 5p i had to directionally do the same thing :P

(i always held up in 5p the first few minutes)

[radiant night]

anyways i dont really see this argument going anywhere as it is a matter of opinion on how difficult or easy it is for someone to learn to navigate
all i wanted to say originally is that in my opinion it does not motivate a new player to play the game if they are told that the movement can feel unresponsive. it just gives off the wrong message from what was trying to be conveyed and i acknowledge that you did say they will get it eventually

[north mural]

5p zero gravity pole grabbing at least is more intuitive

[vernal tulip]

ah, fair

[north mural]

This time you're actually following the direction of a pipe

[vernal tulip]

more of a "takes getting used to" approach in the messaging is more advised then?

[radiant night]

i just wouldnt say anything about the movement unless prompted to, that goes for pretty much anything in the threads

[vernal tulip]

ps i dont think i will ever get the friend im playing with to come to peace with the controls XD

though tbf we do a 3h session once a month atm lol

[radiant night]

if OP is frustrated, asked a question, or whatever else that could lead to it

but, of course, it is up to the felpers to have last say on what is right or wrong here
so if this is wrong i would like to be informed too

[vernal tulip]

ah yeah, i originally read through the thread and saw some "how does this compare to HK" vibes basically so i went on from that

kinda just "oh well compared to HK you might find controlling the character a bit more difficult (to get used to)"

[vernal tulip]

anyways this always seemed like a slog to me.
feeding moon neurons for example i just think "so i have to.... go through all of SC, the exterior, into the interior, then i have to go all the way back, while having 1 less handslot because i cant store food in my stomach? and if i wanna do 2 at a time i essentially have no active inventory slots? AND if at any point i lose the neuron i have to restart the cycle??"

so for that i never went through with it
and pearls is... less painfull i guess, but still not very motivated.

[north mural]

You can store neurons though?

[vernal tulip]

wait you can?

[north mural]

If you have a full stomach the next neuron ingested will go to the swallow slot

Which is hard to find out blindly tbf

[dark tiger]

the easiest way to do pearl and neuron collecting is to use key items on passaging and then passage with them

you can collect all the pearls within an hour or two if you plan your routing

in vanilla* dp is another beast

[vernal tulip]

am considering doing more watcher though, i really enjoyed the scenery and i got a bit too lucky finding the path tbh

[north mural]

It makes no difference for neurons though (they're not key items )

[vernal tulip]

but passages are limited smh

[north mural]

But stomach stored items are always transferred regardless

[dark tiger]

do they not? damn

[vernal tulip]

i cant use limited resources what if i need them later?

[north mural]

Nope, tested firsthand. White pearls also don't either

(Or any menial object l figure)

Key items would be colour pearls or special campaign objects

[vernal tulip]

i used exactly 1 passage and that was purely to set karma to 10 at the end cuz guardian man blocked me

[crude oxide]

they do

[north mural]

Hm?

[crude oxide]

wait

i think i misread

i did

[modern harness]

The symbol on the wall does that for you

[vernal tulip]

[north mural]

what circumstances lead to that?

[vernal tulip]

wait then why did i use it? 🤔

[north mural]

Yeah exactly the symbol replenishes it

[vernal tulip]

maybe it was a gate or smth

[north mural]

I've only used passage like once or twice in total

I like walking

[vernal tulip]

OHH

i know

[radiant night]

Passages are trolling
only would be useful on hunter fr and they don’t even exist

[vernal tulip]

so i got the dlc halfway through my 1st survivor campaign, unknowing it added stuff to survivor. and i managed to get lost in sky islands and went through pipeyard instead of farm arrays. the last part of pipeyards into subterranean is a pretty difficult shelter without food and an easy escape route.

i used a passage to set my karma to 10 and pass the karmagate into subteranean because i was stuck

[radiant night]

pipeyard isn’t real it can’t hurt you

[vernal tulip]

i confused it with guardian because filtration system has the same style as that last pipeyard room

[vernal tulip]

after i completed the campaign i lfted my personal no spoilers rule and googled rainworld stuff for a while

and i can gladly say it sounds like a dodged a bullet going pipeyards instead of farm arrays with how people talk about the deer XD

the centipedes were comparatively much chill-er

[radiant night]

farm arrays is better than pipeyard easily

[north mural]

They dunno what they're talking about, deer are great

[radiant night]

Also the deer don’t kill you

[vernal tulip]

i wouldnt know im still on my run where i plan to go thru farmn arrays instead

[crude oxide]

pipeyard is just so unremarkable

[north mural]

It just exists

[vernal tulip]

the complaints are the deer kept stranding them on islands not that they kill you

or otherwise get you killed in wormgrass because silly AI

[radiant night]

If you know how the deer work and have tweaked ai on it’s fine

[north mural]

My least favourite region because it fails to be unique

[radiant night]

There are other ways to pass deer sections or skip most of them entirely

[vernal tulip]

yeah it probably was related to older deer AI or something idk

anyways deer will be visited soon^tm

as soon as the friend im playing couch co-op with has time again and we get through the second half of 5p and sky islands

[north mural]

There's a simple and implemented solution to pretty much every large complaint players have for them (take forever/rng heavy to arrive, start walking the wrong way, etc) but people still pin their own lack of experimentation as the deer's fault

[vernal tulip]

well thats good to hear

[north mural]

Getting bowed into wormgrass l have nothing to say for, but it sounds like a freak accident event to me, I've never had it happen personally because bowings just don't really reach that low

[vernal tulip]

i hope we get to it soon

[north mural]

It'll be fun to hear your friend's takes on em haha

[vernal tulip]

im 100% he will despise them lol

[radiant night]

I can’t say I like the deer but they aren’t impossible beasts to conquer

[vernal tulip]

his most disliked mechanic so far is swimming

but TBF i did forget about the underwater deadends in coastline and led us both into multiple deaths trying to cross them

[radiant night]

You could make a forum post if you want

[crude oxide]

I don't think it's badly made but its visuals look too much like industrial complex and Subterranean
I don't mind it as an alternative route from HI to SI tho

[radiant night]

Its connections don’t make sense

I get that the world is 3D but I can’t wrap my brain around it

[vernal tulip]

eh probably not, again its a 3h session like once a month

i will probably do a forum post for downpour scugs, as i havent done those yet (stuck with arti and gourm in tough areas, my choice is either get mauled by multiple KVs in sky islands or by a swarm of predators in the leg)

[vernal tulip]

well i did confuse filtration system and pipeyard haha.

i honestly find the area fine but thats because my impression of the region is basically "the centipede region"

its unique trait is the creatures (being olmost only centipedes)

[tender bloom]

*scribbles something on the ground with her claw*

The shape reminds you of Gladiator

[tiny glacier]

[radiant night]

#vanilla-server-challenges

[glad void]

#1270823904247546017

[tiny glacier]

Yes

[grave token]

Mmm
Tbh, I find Controllers LEAGUES easier than keyboard and mouse, but then again I did grow up with a controller and have used one since so

[sacred fox]

Same here

[grave stag]

I find controllers easier on 3d games. On 2d platformers or games itself imo keyboard better :)

[gray musk]

how tho? mouse is so much better for camera control then a joystick.

[radiant night]

its down to preference

for shooters i will always prefer mouse but for something like dark souls a controller is perfectly fine

[grave stag]

I am originally xbox player and when I got computer I ended up playing tons of league, which kinda morphed my opinion :)

[radiant night]

even cult of the lamb i think plays better when you use a controller - it was built for it

i say all this but i always use keyboard and mouse anyway, it is just what makes sense to me

[grave token]

I'm an Xbox player, the layout of anything else is uncomfortable to hold /hj

[grave stag]

xbox controllers are the best tho

[grave token]

I agree

PlayStation controllers are too wide

Switch controllers are too small

[radiant night]

i hope youre not holding a keyboard like a controller

[grave token]

LMAO

[radiant night]

[grave token]

I would never, but now I have that mental image

[grave stag]

don't judge how I hold my keyboard!

[radiant night]

my keyboard's base is solid aluminum it is heavy

[grave stag]

half joking

[radiant night]

gaming keyboard has a whole new meaning

[radiant night]

even the pro controller?

[grave token]

Never held it

Or seen it

[radiant night]

neither have i.. but i was curious anywa
my brother broke my switch 💔

[grave token]

If you mean the literal remote, I have
If you mean Joy cons, AHH THOSE ARE TOO SMALL RAH

[radiant night]

i dont like the joycons when they are seperate from the console

[gray musk]

Tbf, I probably shouldn't judge anybody, cause my control scheme is also absurd for anyone who isn't deep into micro optimalization. 😅

[grave token]

My Joycons slip off way too easy

[radiant night]

otherwise it is acceptable

[radiant night]

are you one of those people with your keyboard oriented vertically

[gray musk]

I really like Nintendo joycons, but probably just habit, as I really only held those.

[gray musk]

I have been considering trying it, but no.

[grave token]

The joy cons are just way too small for my hands it's highly uncomfortable

[radiant night]

you get more buttons that way

[grave token]

[radiant night]

shift and spacebar take up too much space and are too big, missing out on so many keys by using them

[gray musk]

Moving to ESDF is effective enough. Adds ~4 keys, and closer to the natural typing position. Win-win :)

[radiant night]

@grave token but im not 100% sure

[grave token]

Ok

I'm talking with a staff member rn about it, just to make sure

[radiant night]

https://youtu.be/fvq-Tyq69FU?si=eIiRE6ZzbNAO3axR this is what I found but the controls are not exact
also the video is 4 years old so possible it updated within that time

[grave token]

Ok, Snaff says it's ok as long as they never said anything about illegally obtaining the copy and don't share the means to get it

So as far as I can tell, the person is fine

[radiant night]

I’m sure it happens more often than realized

but it would be odd if it’s not xbox remote play since that’s the first ss with those controls in it, all others have nothing

[grave token]

Yea

It's prolly remote play

Actually I'm gonna try to figure out how to do that

I'll have a remote with me this weekend so no on screen controls hopefully

Seems interesting

[radiant night]

I had a friend who would remote play from playstation

just so he could play fortnite in class 😭

[grave token]

lmao😭

[radiant night]

You have to have your console running while you do it I think he said

[grave token]

I'll just leave my console on all weekend or smth idk

[crude oxide]

cyanide lizards is a funny name

[atomic locust]

wow first time I've seen actual xbox remote play in these threads

neat

[gray musk]

@delicate fiber Just please read through the pins in here.

[delicate fiber]

Alr, thanks!

[crude oxide]

this is a modded region right?

[atomic locust]

looks like it

[north mural]

The name is there

The Mast

[atomic locust]

I mean, do we have a <@&985976746169995274> policy here?

not one I'm aware of written down

[radiant night]

There is no modded content in vanilla/downpour spoilers and lore channels so I thought the FP threads just fall under that

[gray musk]

imo, they should mention modded, but I would allow it. Like then, where do we draw the line between allowed/banned mods?

[radiant night]

what is there to be gained from playing a sizable content mod and documenting it in a post where most of the helpers (im assuming) haven’t played it themself

it probably just fits better in the modded gameplay chats

[tranquil mulch]

standard <@&985976746169995274> is effectively "anything that can have spoilers is for modded channels only, the rest is fine"

e.g. cosmetic mods are fine, custom regions aren't

[radiant night]

I think that if it is an issue it should be defined that within the FP posts the no modded content rule should be applied

but for me personally I would never really want to play a modded version of the game before experiencing it regularly

[atomic locust]

perhaps we could add a tag for mods

people can use whatever mods they please, but it lets people have discretion before they click in and get mod spoilers

<@&1137895527271379055> thoughts on a "Mods Enabled"-type tag? Or would it perhaps encourage using mods too much

I personally think itd work well

[atomic locust]

everyone can contribute opinions btw not just helpers

[turbid bane]

theres a lot of mods that add unique gameplay

maybe a different section for specifically mods

"modded first playthrough"

[atomic locust]

my thought is that I dont want to push people away to a more spoilerful place because they enabled some mod

[silver musk]

Probably no point in that. Also yeah... we'd have a ton of modded playthrough in there which is kinda outside of fp scope rn

[turbid bane]

ye

[atomic locust]

honestly I dont think it's out of the scope 🤔

[turbid bane]

maybe a tag only for coop or solo

[silver musk]

Any QoL mods are fine methinks. I only talk about content mods

[silver musk]

modded playthrough forum would be the scope

[atomic locust]

the idea of a first playthrough section for mod stuff is interesting though

[turbid bane]

could be hard to keep up with the amount of mods

[atomic locust]

id rather either have that or allow it here

[turbid bane]

maybe a rule to include the mod name + no spoilers

[atomic locust]

otherwise we have no place for it!

[silver musk]

if a person is playing with a content mod they are likely not on their first playthrough

so they are more or less open to spoilers already

[atomic locust]

clearly there are exceptions 🙂

[turbid bane]

its still their first playthrough on the mod

[crude oxide]

i think the first playthrough should be as vanilla as possible. mods that don't affect the gameplay (sun hat, for example) are fine, but not region mods

[silver musk]

hence likely

[atomic locust]

I dont think we should be trying to push the "right way to play" as a matter of enforcement. this is more about spoiler separations

some people enable mods on their first playthroughs and I dont want to gatekeep about it

[silver musk]

but yeah. I we are to allow modded fps. Like content heavy ones then that should go into a separate forum outside of the current 3

[crude oxide]

what if someone plays with a mod that adds a flamethrower?

[atomic locust]

that's their choice

they can burn down the game design all they want 🫳

[crude oxide]

i disagree with that

[atomic locust]

gonna go ask modded gameplay for opinions

[atomic locust]

you disagree that a player can do what they want? 🤨

[silver musk]

there's no "bad" way of playing the game as long as you are having fun

[atomic locust]

Im not saying it's good

just that it's their choice

and we shouldnt gatekeep based on subjective standards of Rightness

[crude oxide]

i disagree that adding a flamethrower is fine

if they want to play with i can't do much about it

[quasi stirrup]

i was wondering the other day why there wasn't a first modded playthrough forum while i was doing my first sunlit trail and seer playthrough

i agree though that separating them would be the best idea, with how much content mods add and change the game much like the dlcs do

[lyric moss]

Yeah, plus just documenting stuff in modded gameplay would mean being exposed to plenty of possible minor spoilers, + just generally having to document in a place where people can't really follow along. I'll also vote for having modded-first-playthroughs!

[quasi stirrup]

and console rw players that can't play mods too

[lyric moss]

I guess moderation of modded-fp would be hard specifically because of that, true. I wonder if having extra roles for different felpers would help (like watcher or modded felper roles)

[grave token]

Pokes this and agrees with it

Us console people can't have mods

Just like we can't play watcher, yet we still get pinged there from time to time

[sour bear]

OH modded fp threads yes!! I have been wanting that for a while, I wanna play modded and see more iterators that aren't lttm or fp

Even if just for documentation and stuff

[crude oxide]

I don't see the point in making a separate modded playthrough channel when there's already a place for mods

i appreciate the effort of modders but that's not the official content

[sour bear]

Cause you'll be posting on top of others posts if 2 people want to play and document at the same time

[quasi stirrup]

yeah, and i've gotten spoiled in those channels much more often than not

[sour bear]

Good thing I have barely looked in there then...

[sour bear]

Same reason we have vanilla fp threads I guess

[crude oxide]

i know nothing about modded campaigns therefore i can't help players with it and i bet I'm not alone

arguably melpers are more knowledgeable when it comes to this rather than felpers

but at the same time, would melpers like to help in a potential #modded-first-playthroughs?

[quasi stirrup]

most people spoiler mark them, but there's always a few that aren't or contain minor spoilers

[sour bear]

Hmm. Do U know how well the melpers know felper protocol (no spoily, ect)

[crude oxide]

we have vanilla and dp threads because they are official experiences

same with watcher

[quasi stirrup]

i don't think it's just based on official experiences or not with the threads, though, and they can always change

[sour bear]

I'm not sure what the issue with unofficial experiences is... I know many games where modded is a lot more fun than vanilla

[quasi stirrup]

the only thing about them being official to me is that more people end up playing them and giving attention to them, since they're what pops up on the dlc page

[quasi stirrup]

terraria

but yeah i agree

oh and minecraft too

[sour bear]

This remains a pretty good point though as well as the console players thing

[shrewd timber]

Like example

I as a fp helper don't have any interest in helping modded games cuz I'm not a modded game player

Do I still need to get pinged?

What if a new player doesn't read the tag (they already don't read the pinned post lol) and gets spoiled?

[atomic locust]

I pinned a poll for it in #modded-gameplay, go forth 🫴

[atomic locust]

servers exist for the community

if it benefits the community it has a purpose

[atomic locust]

Thought about that and the solution I came up with was a role that fpelpers or modding helpers can opt into

so neither main helper role gets pinged, just the opt-in 🤔

[shrewd timber]

Inch resting

[atomic locust]

alternatively, it is possible to mute a channel in a manner that blocks role pings

[shrewd timber]

But it'll still show up in the server

[atomic locust]

it seems like the best solutuon IMO

but it is also the first thing I thought of 30s after I realized the issue

so we shall see

[sour bear]

Ah found it
#modded-gameplay message

[atomic locust]

tis pinned

[quasi stirrup]

[radiant night]

this and also I feel like it would be more fitting to be in the server for that mod specifically (if they have one)

I don’t look at the modded side of things but I would think large content mods have their own servers or spaces outside of this server

[quasi stirrup]

i don't think many do

[radiant night]

if it happens I think it would be beneficial for there to be a separate helper role for modded gameplay, if that wasn’t said already

[quasi stirrup]

there are dev servers from what i've heard but they're not public

[atomic locust]

#1270823904247546017 message this is my proposal for that

[crude oxide]

if there's a dedicated channel for modded playthroughs that have their own helpers, i wouldn't mind

[radiant night]

There should be clear distinction that it is recommended to play the game without content mods first in that channel too

[atomic locust]

just a recommendation, tho

if people choose to use mods I dont wanna lock them outside

[radiant night]

it’s just odd to do, forming opinions on a modded experience on a game without actually playing the original version

all my opinion *

playing terraria for the first time except they have calamity mod enabled and think the game is too hard/confusing because of it and never wanting to try it again - a real example from a friend of mine

[atomic locust]

I agree entirely that it's a worse experience

I just dont want to make it a matter of enforcement

a bit 1984

[radiant night]

I wouldn’t force it if this theoretical channel exists but I think it should be strongly advised to play the original experience first then come back to mods

[sour bear]

In the idea world anyway, no one reads anything nowadays!!

[crude oxide]

i don't think it's a good idea, vanilla and dp threads already exist for the original experience

[radiant night]

to just say within this theoretical modded gameplay thread that it is not recommended to play with content mods for a first rainworld experience?

I glanced at the modded gameplay chat and they are probably right that it would reduce the usage of that channel substantially
I’ve only really seen a couple instances in FP posts where someone has on modded content

[crude oxide]

because people usually play mods only after experiencing vanilla

[radiant night]

As they should

#1378652964650225694 message this still probably needs removed

[grave token]

@strong hemlock take a read through the pins in this thread

[grave stag]

ltts do you want lore of my gourmie run?

[crude oxide]

i can assume given that you brought it up in the context of neurons

[grave stag]

gourmie left very glowing and gull from SL :)
I was peer pressured, okay?

[crude oxide]

you monster

[grave stag]

I think i have overall eaten moon's neurons atleast 3 times,

these all were different playthrough instances

[quasi stirrup]

WHY???

[grave stag]

first time was in my first ever playthrough

second time was for achievement

third and times after that have been because nice food source which gives me portable lantern

[quasi stirrup]

i've never ate one, not even for the achievement

i just stole one then hibernated with it and it still counted

and returned it

[grave stag]

Oh true that is possiblity

Well whoops :)

Hmmm when I hit 1k rw playtime should I at that point finish up my achievements

[quasi stirrup]

1k

how many hours do you have right now?? i only have around 400

[lyric moss]

I only have like... almost 800! And then a little under 70-ish elsewhere! ...So still a lot. But are you really that close to 1000??

[grave stag]

was thinking when I hit 1k on steam, overall I have around 950ish hours but I want steam to get to fancy number :D

steam atm has almost 700 hours

[crude oxide]

i don't think i'll get to 1000

[grave stag]

my goal ultimetely is 3k hours on rw, but that may be quite wishful thinking

[lyric moss]

I plan on doing modding, and I have some very ambitious plans, so I may actually reach at least a couple thousand hours myself!

[modern harness]

I kept thinking the Watcher dlc would get me to 1000 hours since I was at around 800 before it came put, just from messing around in vanilla and Downpour

It did not happen and outside of content updates I feel very little desire to mess around with this dlc

[grave stag]

ik watcher should get me over the 1k threshold overall

[crude oxide]

i haven't played it since my first playthrough was finished

[modern harness]

It would be my first game to hit 1000 recorded hours (Ive played a lot of Minecraft but no idea how much so it doesnt count) but this dlc just,, doesnt really appeal to me

[grave stag]

but this dlc feels bit annoying to deal with, so most likely my all porl reading collection will be the one briging me to ungodly hours

[lyric moss]

I started Watcher at a little over 600 hours, and have almost reached 800 hours (and still going). I'm glad the style of it is up my alley! (Won't say any more, though, outside of Watcher spaces)

[modern harness]

Watcher imo suffers a lot from the novelty of things happening the first time getting really stale and annoying afterwards
Its where most of my desire to not play it comes from.

[grave stag]

for me just one server I have been playing on mc, is at 840 hours so I know I definetely have reached ungodly numbers with nc, probably around 2k to 4k hours playtime

[modern harness]

I have multiple games that collectively reach a couple thousand hours easily
An individual game hitting 1k would be a milestone

Its the end of my break now I gtg back to work lol

[grave stag]

I know I have wasted almost 2,7k hours on league og legends alone and that's the time I am trying to beat with rw gameplay so it will be rough journey

[sacred fox]

Dlc was fun for me but it just became a drag after a while, like I lost motivation to explore after some time. And ||beating the game doesn't leave room to actually genuinely explore the regions and their mechanics/atmospheres||
I don't think I'll go over 100 hours on Watcher

[grave stag]

agreed

[glad void]

watcher is just okay imo

it is rain world after all so it can't be bad

[lyric moss]

Kinda sad to me how many people didn't enjoy Watcher (as someone who absolutely loves it). I just wish Akupara gave the devs more time to cook

[sacred fox]

I wish they did too yeah

[crude oxide]

I'm not going over 50 hours in that campaign, it was a horrible experience

[sacred fox]

And I did enjoy the DLC, it just feels, I dunno... incomplete and not terribly Rainworldy

[glad void]

we have the entire spectrum here 🥹

[crude oxide]

because it literally is incomplete

[glad void]

i hope the consolers will get a better first impression

[lyric moss]

The negative opinions are still valid, but I might have to leave. Carry on, though!

[gray musk]

imo, watcher was a great concept, but the execution went very poorly, even tho there is a bunch of cool things.

[grave stag]

I like the concept, however the frustration has been real on my last few gameplay hours

[crude oxide]

i hate that it's become a standard that companies can release an unfinished product hoping people will still receive it well and then fix it. what i hate even more is that people find it acceptable, including this dlc

the recent reviews of the dlc were good

[grave stag]

I haven't played dlc enough to make judgement if it's finished or not, but agree with the general statement there

[gray musk]

One thing that annoyed me is ||that it kinda just made more qestions, and didn't answer any new ones. The lack of iterators/pearls is a big part of this.|| (Watcher spoilers)

[glad void]

if we're going into that much depth it might be wise to move to the watcher fp guide coordination

[gray musk]

#watcher-spoilers seems better.

[glad void]

watcher soilers??? in a DOWNPOUR SOILERS thread

oh yeah probably

[gray musk]

I could probably write a paragraph or two, but I assume nobody would care, so..

[sacred fox]

I'm always curious to hear about people's thoughts on the DLC though

[glad void]

hey guys join my watcher fp thread /silly

[crude oxide]

i have a few paragraphs on the dlc in my thread

[gray musk]

name?

[crude oxide]

I'll send the link

[sacred fox]

I'd like to start a theorizing page but I get shut down pretty often by people who've searched the in-game code/discussed it more with others

[grave stag]

ltts you have finished the dlc right? wanna take look at my thread and tell me if it's fine if I check those paragraphs in your thread?

[glad void]

just do it in a first playthrough thread

[grave stag]

aaand that's what fp threads are for

[crude oxide]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1356592035993358487

[sacred fox]

Fair enough

[crude oxide]

my thoughts are pinned

[grave stag]

scared to click as I am not sure if your thoughts still contain soilers or not for me :D

[glad void]

click later 😌

[crude oxide]

keep in mind that i completed it within the first week after the release so some things are outdated

[gray musk]

Mind if I invade to share my opinion?

[grave stag]

problem is I think I have somewhat completed game(most likely?) which makes me question that thing. if I hadn't done that I wouldn't even consider if I can click the link :D

[crude oxide]

sure, that's why i sent the link

[glad void]

click once you have done literally everything possible in watcher

[north mural]

I... can't remember my playtime on rw

I don't think it's more than 200

[crude oxide]

Bob is my pet red lizard

[opal ibex]

bob

anyways

watcher is weird

i like it but feel like i'd much rather they release watcher in 2026 with proper playtesting bugfixes and ||all the endings|| added

cuz rn it is def rushed

[sacred fox]

Me too, excited for an in-depth playthrough on console

[opal ibex]

yea

oh yea also they made it pc exclusive

which is pretty not good for console players

[sacred fox]

(Btw you should prolly spoil or remove the spoiler)

[opal ibex]

oh fair

or yknow maybe console player gon enjoy watcher more cuz they gon receive it more finished

[sacred fox]

That's my hope at least

[opal ibex]

yea

[crude oxide]

this is unacceptable

[opal ibex]

overall i'd say watcher is uhhh like survivor tier good cuz it's fun but sometimes it's really frustrating

[opal ibex]

damn

[crude oxide]

no, it can't even be compared to vanilla

[opal ibex]

anyways i think that's everything about watcher i'd say without actively spoiling anything

[opal ibex]

oh damn

i mean i like it but uhh personal taste ig :v

well beginning-middle part was kinda a drag and not fun at all

[crude oxide]

i just genuinely don't understand what to like there besides good visuals and music

[opal ibex]

i would say smth but at this point i'd just move to #1356256638541103114 so i can talk about spoiler stuff

[sacred fox]

Watcher spoilers is better suited

[opal ibex]

oh true

[sacred fox]

.

[verbal wind]

@atomic locust I think I messed up

[atomic locust]

nah they just interpretted your message weirdly

[verbal wind]

thanks for the followup

[modern harness]

Hehe stupid multure

[gray musk]

@lyric moss can I ask you about your methods?

[lyric moss]

Ah, yes... my methods!

Squidflight

Starving to become lighter, then backflipping with a squidcada

You can literally fly up and down with so much control!

Roll pounces and slide pounces also work, but may offer different kinds of momentum.

All it really takes is to drag one with you across the map, lol

(Also, only white ones are strong enough to fly while holding a starving slugcat)

THOSE... are my methods.

@gray musk forgot to ping reply, lol

Also, Spearmaster is light enough to fly by default, of course, but I wasn't that thorough with mapping, back then. I imagine Gourmand would be an issue...

[gray musk]

Makes sense. You can always wiggle fly if it's inconvenient to bring a squidcada.

[lyric moss]

I wish I could wiggle fly... or even CTV...

Those would help in a few places I could think of

[gray musk]

And you can always ride, or at least attempt to ride a vulture...

[sacred fox]

Play "Test Drive" in the background, it helps with vulture riding

[grave token]

@lapis flame take a read through the pins here
There's the felper application form at the bottom

[lapis flame]

Bet thanks!

[grave token]

No problem

[grave token]

@misty drift take a read through the pins in this channel

Also wow this place died for a few days I've never seen it not be active

If you have any questions Marshmallow, feel free to ask!

[atomic locust]

blame deltarune

[grave token]

I'm playing Deltarune rn

[modern harness]

Same

[grave token]

I'm currently playing it just working on 100% my saves before I start 3 & 4

[tranquil mulch]

#1379482184980758598

[grave token]

Oop

Mb

[crude oxide]

should i do anything with this? no one asked to send it there so i just don't understand why it was sent

[radiant night]

its not relevant to the thread at all thats strange

[opal ibex]

yea cu deltarune

[sacred fox]

I haven't even beat Undertale kinda lost motivation

[quasi stirrup]

me too

i havent opened it in years

[opal ibex]

😭

i mean undertale/deltarune story's completely unrelated so u can play deltarune without finishing undertale

[sacred fox]

Fair, but like... I dunno seems like I should have some familiarity with Undertale

It's on my waitlist of games to play along with Outer Wilds

[quasi stirrup]

same, i feel like im missing out if i don't play it

like what if there's little references id only understand if i played undertale

[north mural]

I have undertale in my library, never opened it

I played 30 minutes of deltarune and tapped out

I dislike that combat style so much

[sacred fox]

I started Undertale late 2020 and the last video I have is of ||the annoying dog taking the artifact||, which after watching the video... it'd be really funny if that was directly what made me stop

[grave token]

Me who's done most of the major routes in UT watching this:

[modern harness]

Me who's watched Shayy's true 100% videos

[grave token]

[modern harness]

[opal ibex]

me who 100% done everything in undertale several times on several different computers throughout my life watching this

[opal ibex]

oh yea i gotta find time to watch their ch3 and ch4 playthrough

hol on lemme see their reaction to ||jackie chan|| first

*||JACKENSTEIN||

[modern harness]

I jsut got through Ch3 and Im on ch4 now
Im a bit distracted tho ingame but Inm having fun

[opal ibex]

oh nice

[grave token]

I'm yet to even get Chap. 3/4 just redoing the first two to reacquaint myself with the game

[opal ibex]

fair

[grave token]

Also Igna we should probably move this to #1379482184980758598

[opal ibex]

yea

[chrome trout]

ive done all of them

[radiant night]

@quasi stirrup #1313508154306330725 message
even for dlc exclusive echoes?

[tranquil mulch]

still none

the commonly-accepted names for them come from one specific MSC developer saying which names they used for them, explicitly marking them as non-canon and unofficial in the same message chain

[radiant night]

I didnt know that

very unloreful of msc

[tranquil mulch]

and a bit pedantically, echo names aren't even really echo names, but names given to the carnal self of the beings that became echoes

[quasi stirrup]

that's very interesting

and makes sense, though i never really thought about it

[grizzled prism]

ture...

[tranquil mulch]

note the phrasing in the achievements

'the echo of Six Grains of Gravel, Mountains Abound'

[lyric moss]

I don't think we know that for sure, though? This feels like more of a case where either option could be correct (name of creature whose echo we see vs name of echo and also creature)

[grizzled prism]

it's hard to explain but putting the emphasis on "the echo of [name]" makes me think differently about echoes than "[name] the echo"

[radiant night]

It could just be the phrasing the species uses or something like that
Maybe they didn’t go by what we think names are but they are titles

it could be something where they don’t get a name/title until it is earned. But that’s all speculation and there’s no real answer to that - that im aware of

too much loreful thoughts for me, must go back to ctvs

[north mural]

I think this is a pedantic difference

"Ehrm you're not jimmy, you're the disembodied ghost of jimmy"

I'm still calling you the name jimmy

[crude oxide]

@glad void that was an elite scav

[glad void]

[crude oxide]

you can distinguish them because their antlers are downward

[glad void]

oh i thought it was just silly scav generation

[crude oxide]

Elite Scavengers are similar in appearance to regular Scavengers, with the exception of their downward-facing antlers

i like this detail, it's not as obvious as masks but still makes them very unique from regular scavs once you notice it

[tiny glacier]

lol CAs is actually playing in timeline order

[grave token]

Anyone know why this thread is locked? https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1379560482150678640

[north mural]

I was just about to ask the exact thing

I'd been following that one

[quasi stirrup]

me too

[north mural]

Weird, was there a rule violation or did they close it themselves or whatnot?

[grave token]

I have no idea

[radiant night]

It’s not locked is it

I just sent a message

[north mural]

It seems normal again

[quasi stirrup]

i think op might've locked it

they're not in the thread anymore far as i can tell and i saw them talking in vanilla-spoilers because of vague hints

[cursive marsh]

Why is everyone's names so colorful

[grave token]

Gay month

You can pick one in up channels & Roles

[radiant night]

[grave token]

[radiant night]

rare occurrence of gourmand not eating everything they touch

that flag’s days are numbered in gourm’s hands

[grave token]

[crude oxide]

red centipede

[glad void]

@grave token if they’ll google it otherwise probably wise to just tell them

[grave token]

True

[sour bear]

#1361171588325707999 message
This guy found moon for the first time!!!!

And I'm scared I'll ruin it if I say literally anything lol

[gray musk]

I'd wait... for now.

[sour bear]

Bro has been there for like 15 min

[glad void]

[dark tiger]

[sacred fox]

[sour bear]

[sacred fox]

What's a good actual answer to give her?
I was thinking smth like "||Without weird movement or spoilery things, there's nothing coming to mind as to how you'd get up there from where you're at||", but would that be implying too much?

[gray musk]

Maybe something with: it isn't supposed to be reachable.

[sacred fox]

How about (in a spoiler) "when the time comes, you'll know when you'll be able to get up there."

Or idk keep avoiding her question or smth

[north mural]

#1377803782401822840 message

I am ... really confused

[glad void]

probably used the unlock oe gate cheat

as well as slugpups

[north mural]

And jolly coop all slugcats too

[glad void]

the intended way to play rain world 🥹

[north mural]

Imagine they never learn about the void sea

🥹

[grave token]

[north mural]

No l bet they're spoiled to hell and back to have been literate enough to activate this many cheats

[grave token]

That'd be depressing

[grave stag]

Learn about the void sea with the sait

[grave token]

IRIES go to eep

It's like 3 AM for you

[grave stag]

Soon™

[glad void]

no they oe warp as saint

[grave stag]

That's possible?

[glad void]

i think

maybe

idk

[grave token]

It is

If you warp

Can't get in through conventional means though

[north mural]

Warp

[grave token]

[north mural]

At karma 11 saint can enter metropolis

[grave token]

Oop

That's silly

[north mural]

Funnily l remember the first time l ever opened expedition l got a metropolis start as survivor

I've almost never touched it otherwise

[grave stag]

I swear I will need to farm metropolis starts as survivor at some point for certain porls

[north mural]

I did a spearmaster one to completion that's about it

[grave token]

No Arti?

[north mural]

Around this time l really REALLY despised arti

[grave token]

I love Arti campaign

[north mural]

I've currently been playing arti campaign in jolly with my partner, this marks the first time l ever do it without immense devtool abuse

[grave stag]

I should do my sm scholar or whatever the one with all porls was

[north mural]

Am now more comfortable with embracing the functions

[grave stag]

I liked campaign not that much of constant murder but I really should revisit that campaign

[north mural]

But way back when, oooooff

[grave token]

I love the constant murder

[north mural]

The karma mechanic and the overall unrelenting scav combat

It overwhelmed me

Knowing how to parry is a real game changer

I mean I'm not remotely fast enough to parry projectiles god no, but in terms of stunning enemies yeah it's super good

Scav or lizard

[grave stag]

Stun killing stuff with that is fantastic

[radiant night]

yeahh </3

they will learn eventually what the void sea is but i bet they already know

they were playing as spearmaster through the survivor campaign

[sour bear]

Oh I was wondering how he got there pre gourm

That guy even pinged a bunch of their more active threads members (me included), seems like a flex to me?

I wanna get that ending in my 300 cycle survivor game

[sour bear]

Karma 11 what the heck... This has gotta be a cheat roo

#1382876875080339557 message
That's the drainage - Shoreline gate right

[tranquil mulch]

there is no Drainage-Shoreline gate

it is the LF-SU gate

[sour bear]

Oh oops I mean drainage - garbage

[sour bear]

Oh I haven't used that today

[tranquil mulch]

that one has a shelter and the right entrance is facing downwards

[crude oxide]

there's the rain deer graffiti

[sour bear]

That's supposed to be a rain deer?

[north mural]

I love playing rainbolt with gates

[tranquil mulch]

the red plant is also mostly LF-specific

[north mural]

Easy baby level is SH SL

[sour bear]

Oh true - it's green in garbage isn't it

[sour bear]

Real rain world nerds can identify gates just by looking at them
I can just tell a few, I'm still new

[tranquil mulch]

and even if it were red, GW is on the right side of the gate

[tranquil mulch]

SH-SL is fairly unique in being the sole room that has 2 shelters

that makes it very easily identifiable

[sour bear]

True

[sour bear]

But isn't SB on the left side

[tranquil mulch]

SB-LF gate doesn't have the red plants and even if it did, the ravine still has the red plants

[sour bear]

Got highly confused there so I reread this, thought it said SB
SU is... Outskirts?

[north mural]

Yes

SubUrban

[lyric moss]

Knowing what the acronyms stand for can help a lot, in general.

Another example: Farm Arrays is LF, meaning Linear Farms (early development name)

[sour bear]

True I think I know most of them at this point but still getting used to them

I would think that like, industrial complex would be IC but it's HI

[north mural]

Heavy Industrial

[lyric moss]

Probably since it being an Industrial Complex specifically was a later concept, with the original concept being a sort of walled city area, I think

[north mural]

That ones simpler to remember on the basis that the threat theme still kept the name

[sour bear]

Idk the sing names lol

[north mural]

Pebbles too

Threat - Superstructure

[sour bear]

Wasn't the pebbles interior SS

[north mural]

And his acronym's ss

Yup

[sour bear]

But yes confusing acronyms

[lyric moss]

Shaded Citadel uses SH for Shadow Urban, which I always found the most interesting. I think it comes from the old map concept, where there would be a lot more places called [thing] Urban.

[north mural]

You should see the watcher acronyms

[lyric moss]

Same art as the pyramid iterators

[sour bear]

I did💀 💀

[north mural]

Urban makes for a cool title

[lyric moss]

Oh, yeah, those are something. Not gonna say here, of course... but yeah, they're something

[sour bear]

I beat watcher but let's not soil watcher here

[lyric moss]

Also, the Downpour trio of LM, DM and MS will never not be funny and ridiculous to me

[north mural]

Pipeyard has a weird history with its acronym

[sour bear]

Void system!!!!

[lyric moss]

Think it's actually Voided Subterranean, but that's a good guess

[sour bear]

Oh god

[crude oxide]

suburban, heavy urban, garbage urban, shoreurban, drainage urban, chimney urban, shadow urban, the urban, superurban, sky urban, linear urban, subterrain urban

[north mural]

But where is my void soup...

Smh

[sour bear]

"the urban"

[north mural]

Shadow urban money gang

[lyric moss]

LM = Looks to the Moon = Waterfront Complex
MS = Moon Superstructure = Submerged Superstructure
DM = Depths of Moon = Looks to the Moon (the Spearmaster one)

[sour bear]

Void urban and outer urban

[crude oxide]

scrapped name for the exterior

[lyric moss]

Pipe Urban

[north mural]

Urbicon

[tranquil mulch]

one commentary points to Voided Subterranean, another to Void System

[sour bear]

Yeah...

[tranquil mulch]

both are correct

[lyric moss]

Huh! Does the acronym have two different origins? I could see both interpretations fitting for the same origin

Not that it matters much, it's VS anyway

[sour bear]

metropolis urban

[crude oxide]

lost urban because LC is the internal name

[lyric moss]

And Night Urban for Night City from the early concepts!

[sour bear]

Sounds like shaded

[lyric moss]

(Original iterator city idea, where it would be underneath the iterator (which used to be pyramid shaped))

[tranquil mulch]

You know how Lost City plays in Metropolis because Lost City is the internal name
What if Yellow Lizard plays in Subterranean, a place with no Yellow Lizards, because internal name of Subterranean is Yellow Lizard

[north mural]

Does it actually play there

That's so gay

[lyric moss]

Internal name of Shoreline is The Captain ✅✅✅✅✅✅✅✅

[north mural]

Yellow lizard never went as hard as white lizard

[crude oxide]

ngl i think lost city is a better name than metropolis given what happened to iterators' cities

[north mural]

White lizard is the aura farming track

[lyric moss]

Yellow Lizard is the cool cave exploration track

[north mural]

Spelunking

I like metropolis much more frankly, it's a good word

[lyric moss]

Speaking of Sub, imagine a region actually called Ferrous Forest

Like a "forest" of machines like how Chimney Canopy is a Canopy of... uhh, structures, idk CC lore

[sour bear]

It's just like a heap of poles probably.... And pole plants

[crude oxide]

same with collapse, i think it's better than silent construct

[sour bear]

I liked silent construct as a name tbh

[tranquil mulch]

Silent Construct plays in Subterranean because it's the internal name of Subterranean

[sour bear]

It gives the vibes of pebbles is silent (dead)

[lyric moss]

Collapse Urban

[north mural]

Region title drop, Cycle 57 - Stone Heads

[lyric moss]

Imagine Rot Urban...

[north mural]

Absolute cinema

[sour bear]

Cycle 57 urban

[lyric moss]

Urban Urban