Old FP Guide Coordination [Archived]

[glad void]

Everything comes full circle

[modern harness]

[grave token]

[glad void]

the true fhurter

[grave token]

Would this fall under... too much?

[simple solar]

yeah i was about to say that

the rock part isnt necessary information

[grave token]

@karmic leaf just taking precautions, could you maybe delete/edit the message to remove the throwboosting?
We're sorta picky on movement tech

oops-

[karmic leaf]

why tho, movement tech isnt really spoilers

[grave token]

Too late now bc the OP saw it

[simple solar]

They didnt really ask for it

[grave token]

Read the guidelines

[modern harness]

Well damn

[karmic leaf]

oh that kinda sucks

i feel like a lot of movement tech in this game is very unintutive

[simple solar]

the only tech you're ever gonna need is leaping, anything else is better when learned by yourself

[modern harness]

Anyways, basic formula
Dont say anything if they didnt ask for it

Some people are really picky about spoilers and will get upset at unprompted spoilers

[karmic leaf]

ok but i wont always know if a jump can be done itemless or not

[modern harness]

Like me

lol

[grave token]

Like us

[karmic leaf]

ill try to avoid it but

if i dont think something can be done itemless

ill mention throwboosting

[grave token]

That particular jump in question is easily doable without throw boosting

[karmic leaf]

i think its better than mentioning eslide or rollpounce

[karmic leaf]

ye ik that

i meant in the future

[modern harness]

If they didnt ask for it

Dont give it

[karmic leaf]

they asked how to cross the gap, if you need to throwboost to cross the gap so ???

not this specific one

but in the future

[grave token]

Well then that's info they didn't ask for

/nm

[modern harness]

We like to give hints more than direct instructions

For certain scenarios, like the room in TW that requires tech, we're more lenient because its a specific case that requires it and going the proper entrance is a lot of backtracking and pain just to circle around again

This case isnt really specific, its just your average Big Gap

[karmic leaf]

ok ill just mention it in the future if theres a gap that requires more tech

cause like

[grave token]

Don't even mention it, if anything just watch other people answer and you'll get the ropes in no time

[simple solar]

like which

[modern harness]

I literally just said
If they didnt ask for it, dont say anything
Theres also the case where questions can be rhetorical adn theyre just thinking aloud

[karmic leaf]

lemme open the map

[simple solar]

OP is in sky islands right now and they were smart enough to simply get a squid

[grave token]

I do that EXTREMELY often in my thread and sometimes get a genuine answer so-

[modern harness]

SI is prime squidcada learning area

[simple solar]

yuh

[modern harness]

xd

[modern harness]

Yea this would jsut be a Hints case

[grave token]

THAT gap is doable with either double throw boost with a spear, or a squid

[modern harness]

Or shrooms

[karmic leaf]

squids are really annoying tho, i feel like you should at least spoiler a squidless option incase they want it themselves

[modern harness]

Squids arent that bad once you know how they work

They can carry you and fall over when exhausted

[grave token]

We only give what people ask for, and even then we HINT towards solutions

[modern harness]

Thats pretyy mcuh it

[karmic leaf]

it sucks to go back and get a squid and you cant carry anything while holding a squid

[modern harness]

[grave token]

Not that bad

[modern harness]

Most creatures are 2 handed

[simple solar]

took me like 200 hours to find out shrooms boost your mobility and arent just a slowmotion mode

[modern harness]

You get a creature for help, thats what the rule is

[grave token]

The increased movement helps a lot imo

[modern harness]

Except grappling worms those are peak

[grave token]

From squids

[grave token]

Wormithy

[karmic leaf]

someone told me its fine to provide a hint then a spoilered solution incase they want to open the spoiler and use it

i know i would want a solution

[modern harness]

It kinda varies between felpers but
We usually give layers of hints, then if theyve been struggling or hours or are on the brink of giving up, we're more direct

[grave token]

Might I ask, whom told you that
Not everyone wants a solution to a problem, and like Igna said, some people think out loud

[modern harness]

We automatically assume people want hints and not a direct solution unless they specifically say they want a direct solution

[grave token]

I usually let other Felpers do hinting I'm just there for looking for spoilers and conversation

[karmic leaf]

why is a spoilered solution bad tho

like

if they dont want it they wont open it

[grave token]

Because, not everyone wants a solution

[karmic leaf]

its under a spoiler if they want it they open it

||this||

[grave token]

and some people have monkey brains like me and click on all spoiler tagged stuff

[modern harness]

Because some people will see box and think "Ooh box" and click it on instinct
Some people will want to get hints or figure it out themselves

We should avoid giving direct solutions unless the person asks for it cause again, it cna make them upset

Like Im a stickler for spoilers when it comes to new games I wanna play and I will be rightly upset if someone puts spoilers in my document space without me wanting it

[karmic leaf]

its their fault at that point imo

[modern harness]

[karmic leaf]

i mean if something is spoilered its spoilered for a reason

[modern harness]

In what world is instinctively clicking the spoiler box that persons fault

Some people could be in other servers like this one where they click spoiler boxes for spoilered game stuff and not realize theyre in a server theyre still in a playthrough for

[karmic leaf]

the spoiler boxes are there for a reason theyre not there to be instinctively clicked

[modern harness]

Yea well

[karmic leaf]

at least thats how i see it

[modern harness]

YThe human brain works weird

And we have to occomodate

Its better to not say anything than to say something and risk the person accidentally getting spoilered cause of subconscious instinct

[grave token]

Like me, monkey see box monkey click box

[karmic leaf]

i mean if we had to accomodate for people that dont read the instructions we would have to restrict a lot of stuff

but since youre a playthrough helper its your call

[modern harness]

Instructions and subconscious instinct are very different things

[tranquil mulch]

also some people just have spoilers disabled

entirely

[modern harness]

Oh yea

[karmic leaf]

wait

thats a thing?

[modern harness]

I forgot that was a thing honestly

[karmic leaf]

how can i disable spoiler boxes

[tranquil mulch]

as a chat-related thing, it's in the chat section of user settings

[karmic leaf]

ig then

but still feels kinda weird

[modern harness]

Its very helpful for felpers

It lets us know when unmarked spoilers are about in thread titles and first messages so we can blast them to avoid spoiling other people

[karmic leaf]

imo my general rule is: if the person is desperate enough to ask for help instead of trying to figure it out themselves, they probably wouldn't mind a solution anyway

but again its your call

[modern harness]

Rhetorical questions:

We automatically assume a person is either talking aloud or doesnt want direct answers unless specified

[karmic leaf]

from my experience its usually pretty easy to tell when its a rhetorical question

and like if its a rhetorical question they already know the answer

[modern harness]

[karmic leaf]

also this is why i thought it was fine spoilering

[modern harness]

We cant assume anything
Assuming is dangerous for spoilers

Remembering that some people can have spoilers turned off completely kinda puts a slight wrench in the "spoil so they choose to see it" department

[lone turret]

This is a really random question but I think it has to do with guides, what are the like [33/70] type stuff most helpers have? Is it just cosmetic?

[radiant night]

it is the number of rwsc they have completed

(rain world server challenges)

[grave token]

For Igna, it's 33/70 bc that's the amount of Rain World Server Challenges they've done, and for me I've only completed 2/70 rwsc's

[simple solar]

cool number get it higher play rwscs

get cool roles™

[lone turret]

OOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHH

that makes sense

[grave token]

Wait how does one do Journey...

[simple solar]

wall > cc > hi > su > ds > sb then depths (win)

inf prep time so get vulture mask or lizard rep

[grave token]

Oi Felpers

I got a task for ye

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1365544428269338654

[modern harness]

Boo

[grave token]

Hey I'll be a felper (hopefully) soon enough /silly

[modern harness]

[grave token]

Ty Igna

[shrewd timber]

The monksilly virus infected every message after the rude message LOL

Also yep fiery is an og

[grave token]

Hey Felpers of chat

#1365683076705030254 message

(Scavenger in title)

Been almost an hour the title's been left

[crude oxide]

I think it's fine. They are in Outskirts

[grave token]

We decided (at some point) that scavs are considered post outskirts?

Just like Worm Grass

[gray musk]

#offtopic-agenderal message

[grave token]

Oop-

[sacred fox]

"This is no time for games. Run along now, before it is too late!"?

[grave token]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1365729447516438578
illega info in title!111!!!

[grave token]

Ok it's time
<@&1137895527271379055>
Could y'all mayhaps change this (and help me tell the OP that dp changes vanilla)

Ty Kalum

[glad void]

idk what’s up with this artificer person

[grave token]

Neither do I

[atomic locust]

with how hostile that encounter was I think a staff ping might've been best honestly

first playthrough helpers cant do much in terms of that

[glad void]

they’ve already been ticketed i think

[grave token]

I didn't think they'd be hostile-
I was more pinging for help telling em DP changes vanilla, and the spoiler in the title

[grave token]

Thank you, regardless Kalum

[modern harness]

Did they be mean again wtf

[grave token]

Yup

[crude oxide]

Average Arti fan

[glad void]

porl

[crude oxide]

That's a joke don't take it seriously

[grave token]

Told me to fuck off when I was just casually telling em to move to downpour playthroughs

[modern harness]

:/

I assumed they at least got nudged a bit yesterday cuz the ticket got cleared immediately
I guess they didnt take it to heart

[glad void]

[grave token]

[modern harness]

I dont have anything to do today besides doing stuff with my own projects for fun so I can try to keep an eye on them if they decide to be mean again

This is the 2nd time 😭

[grave token]

Thanks Igna

[modern harness]

Ye

:siantun

fric

[glad void]

reactions

[modern harness]

I rlly like how nice this community is in general so Id like to keep it that way in the spaces Im active in lmao

[grave token]

Me as well

If I ever seem mean, it's cuz I'm irritated I'm not like randomly rude I always have a reason so

[glad void]

i HATE how nice this community is. needs more significant harassment

[modern harness]

Nor way.... comunnity hurter........

[glad void]

🔜

[atomic locust]

they were; this incident is being handled now

[modern harness]

[glad void]

peanut bubter

[grave token]

Kalum... thank you
Kalum best staff frfr

[glad void]

kalum is like the only staff i can name off the top of my head

[grave token]

Real

[modern harness]

[glad void]

or wait is animoso one

[grave token]

Shadow..?

[glad void]

three then

[grave token]

Idk what's with like all the random aggressive people like

[modern harness]

We got the One or Two staffers we know that we call for emergencies

[grave token]

All new people too

[modern harness]

Yea idk

[glad void]

[modern harness]

I guess its a trend with new people not being familiar with the server and how much we work to keep things friendly and tight-knit on spoilers for new players as well ?

[glad void]

probably

[gray musk]

I also remember chorus.

[glad void]

[crude oxide]

Eva

[grave token]

That appears to be a common trend

[modern harness]

I guess so

This person is like, really hostile for no reaosn

[grave token]

At least recently from what I've seen

[modern harness]

We're jsut doing our job xd

[grave token]

Yea :/

We're just doing what we're supposed to, and they're being hostile like???
We're just trying to abide by rules???

[modern harness]

Like Im sorry if you dont like it but Im literally jsut doing my job

[glad void]

[grave token]

I'm doing my "job"

[glad void]

honorary job

[crude oxide]

You can't expect them to know all the rules. What's bad is that some people react aggressively when it's unnecessary

[grave token]

Sadly the truth

[modern harness]

Yeah

[grave token]

[gray musk]

@atomic locust wasn't the protocol to delete thread with MSC? #1365729447516438578 message

[narrow owl]

This exchange is very funny to me

[atomic locust]

not that I'm aware of; decided to leave it open `cause there werent any undeleted spoilers and they could still use it if they disable MSC

[grave token]

@lone turret hello!
Join us one of us (read the pins for felper guidelines)

[lone turret]

Wait sry, wdym by that?

[grave token]

Whatcha confused about

[lone turret]

Just the wording, that’s all

[sacred fox]

He means please read the pins for the first-playthrough helper(felper) guidelines. It's just so you can help players easier and within the rules
And welcome! Hope you're having a good evening

I'm assuming he's saying "join us, one of us." (It took me a couple minutes /silly)

[sacred fox]

One of use

[grave token]

Hey I'm trying today

[sacred fox]

It's okay, there's a reason I don't have the survivor role yet

Lvl 17 smh I need to not shut up

[grave token]

[radiant night]

[grave token]

Zoop lizard taming

[radiant night]

Lizard taming still resets each cycle no?

[tranquil mulch]

social memory resets only if like is lesser than 0.25 by absolute value

for comparison, the threshold to be friendly is 0.5, the threshold to be non-aggressive depends on reputation, but is usually at about 0.7–0.8 unless it's fairly high

[grave token]

#1366085906439868608 message
Would this (the title and message) be too much?

I'll take that as a yes

[modern harness]

[grave token]

Thanks Igna

[modern harness]

[grave token]

I never know when it's too much

[modern harness]

Might as well be safe lol

[narrow finch]

i was thinking of just leaving this alone, but if truffle gets lost, should i guide her slightly in the right direction?

[glad void]

no unless they ask for it

[radiant night]

@narrow finch #1360026101317111940 message
too late to take it back as the poster already read it but think this is spoilers

there is only technically one way to moon in other campaigns

[narrow finch]

Eh

Yeah I kinda didn't think about that

She's already played through arti and riv so she knows about submerged

[radiant night]

I mean there is two always but I don’t foresee many players going through submerged 😭

[narrow finch]

But I should be more.mindful in the future

[radiant night]

yea riv would but no one else, it’s extremely hard to anyways

Suppose if they played riv it’s not so much a spoiler since they would know that route anyway

[narrow finch]

I always get blown away thinking about how traditional moon entrance is above the clouds in spear, and then you realize that the superstructure probably fell like, a mile down

[radiant night]

Problem with going through precipice or trying to is all the other campaigns teach you nothing is there

[radiant night]

thx to whoever stopped the discussion about the camera scroll mod
I never understood people replying to messages that are weeks old

[spare flax]

(i mean why did you bring it back up now)

[silver musk]

#1366163079469076541 message @modern harness I see the issue will fix today

[modern harness]

[lyric moss]

I have the urge to , so I'm doing it here

(Also I love that pearl)

[sacred fox]

The way Moon gets so happy over it for a second in Saint

Also I didn't resist the urge but I'll still

[sacred fox]

This is what I'm thinking of but idk if I can send it or not lol

[narrow finch]

lmao

or like, scavs in safari that can grab puppets and throw them like spears

[sacred fox]

LMHO YES

That's definitely a spoiler tho lol

She hasn't (I don't think) seen what Safari does yet

[sacred fox]

@sour bear lilypuck I believe

[gray musk]

Interesting...

[gray musk]

Can someone please take care of this?

[modern harness]

Final score
Jeezus

[meager raven]

Incredible

Serious dedication confirmed

[sour bear]

i had that problem too (sometime stil get it)

ping me if a solution is found

[gray musk]

cheats.

[sour bear]

dammmmmm

[modern harness]

Gime for Cas to see every Arti dream before beating the campaign (hopefully)

If she doesnt hopefully she clues in shell do the campaign on another save to see them all lol

[lyric moss]

We know Castrix, hopefully she'll take enough time to see them all

It's likely!

And if not, she will probably see them at some point

[modern harness]

If she doesnt decide on beating the campaign immediately lmao
Altho navigating Metro is icky sometimes

[crude oxide]

I was hoping she'd choose the chonky boi

[radiant night]

maybe she just won’t go to 5P immediately and will explore the world more first

[modern harness]

Well see

If she decides to try seeing Moon first or FP

Does anyone know her current theory on the timeline?

[gray musk]

I... I actually don't.

[sacred fox]

Do we think she'll restart to ascend, if she does get the chieftain ending first?
Regardless I'm just excited for her to discover that the angsty teen reads pearls for arti

[modern harness]

Depends
If anything she might do another save for Arti ascension if she figures that echoes dont help Arti after the battle

[modern harness]

Do we give this to her

[lyric moss]

Maybe if she needs combat help (probably soon)

[modern harness]

Mayb

Unless if she figures it out herself which is rare

Figuring out the parry I mean

Its literally never explained except in that one challenge that requires it

[silver musk]

I'd say yes. I can't imagine arti'ing without it 💀 it's just unfair

You can spoiler and let her take the decision

[modern harness]

[lyric moss]

It should probably wait until she's gotten used to even the regular jump, but agreed!

[modern harness]

Ye
Ill keep it on the clipboard

[lyric moss]

Figured she'd observe that quickly

[sacred fox]

How much can I be doing

[modern harness]

[lyric moss]

Those who

[crude oxide]

Limbo, lust all gone. With gluttony soon to follow

[simple solar]

Youve taken everything from me artificer

[lyric moss]

I think I know what happened

[grave stag]

Out of curiosity can arti ascend after chieftain ending? Even tho it most likely would be pain to do it that way

[modern harness]

Not legimately

[lyric moss]

No, no karma gains after

[grave stag]

Doesn't elite scav give you enough karma for it?

[modern harness]

No

It caps at 5

Even if a scav has more than 5

You only get 5

[grave stag]

Ah

[modern harness]

Cant wait for Cas to get her first dream

Pups

Pups

[lyric moss]

Pups

Pups

[sacred fox]

[modern harness]

[lyric moss]

[sacred fox]

[pine locust]

Has cas figured out throwing up bombs nd the arti crafting stuff yet?

[modern harness]

She didnt figure out she controlled one of the kids lol

[sacred fox]

She's seen the tutorial but I'm not sure

[lyric moss]

Bomit

[pine locust]

I see

[modern harness]

[modern harness]

[pine locust]

i wish

[modern harness]

I think she was jsut paying attention to arti and not the fact that her movements were registering on the pup

[narrow finch]

She's gonna cry when she finds out

[modern harness]

Shes gonna see the 2nd dream and immediately have to rethink her theory lol

[pine locust]

frrrrfrfr

[atomic locust]

I mean that's kinda the alt ending

[pine locust]

Ehhh sorta

[tiny glacier]

I like how Cas is accidentally playing in timeline order

[sacred fox]

Even if she does monk next, Riv and then Saint are last so she's literally still almost perfectly in order lmho

[radiant night]

it would be cool if she did gourmand then monk and got the oe ending

[turbid bane]

🥹

oh man

[radiant night]

#1362265128481067159 message
only place in SL I can think about is before the submerged gate, but maybe they are not in SL anymore and mixed up locations?

I located the room, SL_C14

[modern harness]

Cas already almost got every dream
Most players dont even do that when they play Arti

[lyric moss]

Can't remember if I did, but I knew they were a whole thing (too many soilers back then)

I remember beig very impressed by the leech dream, like that one just hits different and I love it

I really look forward to Cas seeing that one

[radiant night]

Definitely the shortest campaign, I wish there was more incentive to not just go straight to pebbles and then metropolis

I remember I didn’t even explore half the regions available and only on my second playthrough I noticed there was still acid in gw 😭

[lyric moss]

At least there's the unique ascension, but yeah

I remember in some dev commentary, some devs expressed concerns about adding a direct GW-SH connection.

[radiant night]

ascension will be the only way someone will see all dreams usually

[lyric moss]

Imagine if more Arti players got to see Waterfront (which I think was designed for Arti's campaign?)

[lyric moss]

Kinda sad, since people may already know the story at that point when not pursuing the specific ending

[radiant night]

ngl I never went there because of arti’s exploding in water mechanic

I wonder if arti’s story is the most spoiled one overall

ik people talk about saint’s world changes but I don’t really know how many people talk about the story within it

[lyric moss]

Yeah, but in some ways, I think it was more overall designed around it... but not completely. I think they wanted to make it more accesible to scavengers lol

[lyric moss]

Also yeah, Saint is a lot more about environments, so that makes sense

[radiant night]

understandable because of SL’s lack of them

arti going to SL and sleeping in peace without being hunted down

[lyric moss]

Probably can't get anywhere underwater, though. Just Arti, lost at "sea"

Peaceful, though

Actually, it could still work well, and it's not like Waterfront accommodates for the reduced swimming particularly well (I'm thinking of a couple specific pipes )

Cas is going away from the echo, which gives me a thought... will she discover the changing dialogue herself via experimentation?

[modern harness]

Shes getting a bit close to the end tjough

Makes me worried she wont see the final dream before shes forced to see nightmares

[lyric moss]

Yeah... I want her to see the leeches

*The leech dream

That's the last one before the nightmares

[gray musk]

yes

[modern harness]

Have fun carrying pearls
Again
For a 4th time
Except this time you got a mouth

[lyric moss]

I wonder how long her patience will last, doing this again

Oh, should we mention how the Sub pearl has the same Arti issue? Maybe if she asks or struggles with it.

(Not now, of course)

[modern harness]

Mayhaps, yea

[crude oxide]

Has Castrix killed the chieftain yet?

[silver musk]

Nope

[modern harness]

The Five Pebsi

[lyric moss]

I wonder if she'll see the even more explicitly Five Pebbsi symbol

[radiant night]

🤞

[lyric moss]

She does know what cans refer to, right? Is this joke too much into spoilers? I think she found all the vanilla pearls already

[tranquil mulch]

thought of searching for it , , the word can has an alternative meaning that makes this difficulty

[narrow finch]

this is fine right

she isn't gonna play inv for a long time

[modern harness]

Its a funny haha

The symbol itself isnt an Inv thing and the name five pebbsi can be come up without unrelated to Inv

I just think its funny lol

[narrow finch]

that's true

if only pebbs knew that his drink that comes in three delicious flavors was the triple affirmative all along

[modern harness]

So true

Itll only make it funnier if she gets to FP with Inv

[narrow finch]

wow cas is doing a whole ass loop is metropolis

were they ever close to cheiftain?

[modern harness]

Yea

They were in the upper elevator room

[narrow finch]

rip

[modern harness]

She said smth about that maybe once being an elevator, its literally called elevator upper or smth

[narrow finch]

well i'm sure she had to have had more annoying loops in moon structure

does cas know that pebbles is the one that read pearls now?

[modern harness]

Not yet

She gave up leaving cuz of scavs lol

If anything she might gather pearls post-Chieftain cuz of the mask but thats basically Spear 1.5

She found the Sofanthiel shelter

[narrow finch]

@sacred fox you underestimate cas' ability to get lost

[sacred fox]

I'm thinking of the chieftain ending though

[narrow finch]

exactly

[sacred fox]

The ascension (eventually)'s gotta be 20k+

[narrow finch]

they were nearly at cheiftain and got turned around

[sacred fox]

Lmho I don't think she'll be lost for... 420690 points

Look at Igna not me

[narrow finch]

my guess is for when cas will be completely finished with arti

[sacred fox]

Mine is not

[narrow finch]

true i suppose

[sacred fox]

My guess is probably 33k again for the final score

[narrow finch]

she's probably gonna want to give pearls to pebbles once she finds out you can do that tho

[modern harness]

If Cas find the Chieftain and figures out its ending-related I may up my guess but as of right now Its staying low

If she decides to wait before getting the story ending

[narrow finch]

or she finds out the hard way that she'll be locked into one ending one way or the other

[sacred fox]

It is possible to do the ascension ending and then the chieftain, just not the other way around? (Unless ascension ending perma-ends the game, I haven't done it yet so idk?)

[narrow finch]

maybe?

[sacred fox]

Arti's campaign got mega-spoiled for me

[narrow finch]

i've never actually continued any of my runs after ascending

[modern harness]

Arti ascension acts like Hunter ascension

[sacred fox]

Oh okok

[narrow finch]

so it is perma lock

[sacred fox]

Might go speedrun an ascension ending on arti rlq so I don't get soiled in Cas's thread

[narrow finch]

ok, well remember that arti max karma is karma 9, so you'll need to bring a scav with you in order to reach karma 10

[sacred fox]

It... isn't?

[narrow finch]

there are only enough echoes for 1 less then max

[modern harness]

Youre forced to use a scav, minimum karma reuirement to ascend I think is K5

Gotta get lucky with an elite

[sacred fox]

Oh ok

[radiant night]

arti rubicon
you’re attacked by scups endlessly

[sacred fox]

I wanna be attacked by scups

[lyric moss]

I won't bet for the score yet, it's way too early considering she may ascend too (which would be the final score screen for Arti as she said)

[modern harness]

If the guess is for final final score then maybeeeee

Casue consider, she can play post Chieftain with the mask which makes the campaign significantly more bearable

Once she realizes she cant ascend on that save does she start a new save or keep going with the current one even though she wont get another score

[narrow finch]

i mean didn't she start a new save after spear

[modern harness]

On a seperate save slot, just to see Moon before Pebbs

But for like, pearl collecting and murdering and stuff

Would she want the mask to make the scavs more bearable or go on the new save and deal with being killed constantly

Shed get more points in the end but the scavs suck

[lyric moss]

Felt like sharing my opinion in Cas' thread was too much, so putting it here:
For my opinion, I feel like a lot of places aren't as balanced around the scavs as they could be (Underhang especially is miserable for me) but then Metropolis is peak, and the movement and combat itself is amazing

[narrow finch]

"yeah surely there is somewhere in metropolis you haven't been to yet"

?

[lyric moss]

No, I just wanna know at this point

Didn't even mean it as any kind of nudge, maybe I should've clarified that?

[narrow finch]

nah you're good

[modern harness]

Do we think giving her a nudge is good?

[narrow finch]

i do so badly want to just genuinely give her a small nudge since she's crashing out so hard

[modern harness]

She really doesnt seem to be liking Arti lol

[narrow finch]

something along the lines of

[modern harness]

Prioritize fun

As fun as Arti can be.

[narrow finch]

"there is somewhere in metropolis that you need to go to"

[modern harness]

Something releated to the dome room maybe?

Its a pretty important and guarded area

[lyric moss]

Has she seen the dome yet, even?

[narrow finch]

near the top of the city

[modern harness]

Nah

[narrow finch]

or is that too far

[modern harness]

She died in the upper elevator Im pretty sure

[narrow finch]

oh no

[lyric moss]

House of Braids could be good enough of a nudge, I think

But only if she says yes

[modern harness]

Somewhere the scavs think is important

Something of importance in general

House of Braids is a big name

[narrow finch]

i will def tell her something along the lines of that, but all i'm waiting for rn is consent

[modern harness]

Seems importanty but what hint do we give for that

[lyric moss]

Hmm

Lots of phrasing to think about as a felper

[modern harness]

Yea lol

[lyric moss]

Someplace important could mean anything, from what she knows

[modern harness]

"A place of importance where the scavengers dwell most" ?

[narrow finch]

here's a fun hint i thought up

something related to 12

if she remembers that is

[lyric moss]

Pretty good

[narrow finch]

tried sneaking it in to no avail

that is to be expected i think

[lyric moss]

Pretty clever, but yeah

If she's not really directionless and just frustrated, we may not even need to make hints.

A rest is all she needs

[modern harness]

Arti is a very frustrating campaign

Esp Metro thats crawling with scavs

[lyric moss]

Yeah, it's an endless struggle

I like that, but I can somewhat understand the stress

Imagine if she decides to do Inv legit, that would be painful for her

[narrow finch]

just to unlock the arg too

[lyric moss]

One of the hints is even in Metropolis, so if she wanted to solve it herself, she'd need to go back there

Unless she takes note of the relevant graffiti. I guess it could stand out?

[modern harness]

wtf

@tranquil mulch Is there any explanation for this ^

[tranquil mulch]

known glitch that confused many people before
being grabbed on the same tick as going through a pipe

it both initialises the grab properly and makes you go through the pipe

though I think it's actually fixed in Remix unless Vanilla Exploits is enabled?

(vanilla exploits may be enabled if e.g. the Classic preset was chosen)

[modern harness]

There was no miros tho wtf

[tranquil mulch]

oh oops missed that part

I blame watching in darkness with low screen brightness lol

[modern harness]

lol

[tranquil mulch]

i vaguely recall Mirod Birds being able to grab creatures passing through pipes but I do not know the details

[modern harness]

They can just appear and kill you while in a pipe

[radiant night]

the gameover appearing before she was even close to getting out of the pipe

[lyric moss]

The game is getting more unfair until she takes a break, how considerate

[atomic locust]

the offscreenden is in that specific train car

that's where they party

[lyric moss]

That's the best explanation I've heard

Is that actually true?

[atomic locust]

no, I made it up 😔

I really have no idea why that happens

almost certainly some bug with abstraction

only system that could accomplish such bullshittery as that

[crude oxide]

Train car party

[lyric moss]

Sounds about right

[radiant night]

rainworld thought her experience wasnt annoying enough so it had to make it worse

[lyric moss]

It really wants her to hate Arti, doesn't it

[crude oxide]

Yeah

[atomic locust]

the arti campaign does not pair well with casual exploration until postgame `cause of the mask

[crude oxide]

I really hoped she'd play as Gourmand instead

[radiant night]

it will happen after monk at the very least

still wishing she will do gourmand first then monk to get to oe

[modern harness]

I was kinda worried she wouldnt like Arti at all cause

Its VERY combat heavy and requires a lot of moving around which isnt exactly Cas's thing

[lyric moss]

Spearmaster's combat is very different from Arti's eternal chaos and "f it we ball" moments

[radiant night]

sm might have prepared her some

[lyric moss]

I'm glad I have a wide taste in gameplay styles

[radiant night]

hunter too

[lyric moss]

Yeah, I've seen people play Arti after Surviver and going completely insane

[modern harness]

Yea but Arti is another thing

SM is combat heavy yeah but in Arti your constantly getting pumled by either the worst or most exciting thing to fight depending on who you ar

[radiant night]

yea but it would be worse going from monk/surv to arti as they said

you dont have to fight a single thing in those campaigns then get thrown into having to fight everything

[lyric moss]

Absolutely. I defend a lot of Arti, but some areas should've been better designed around the eternal chaos and scavengers (Exterior was miserable on my latest Arti playthrough)

[radiant night]

gw with the scav toll is brutal if you choose to go that way

i did not-

[lyric moss]

There's either the gate which you need to figure out and platform to, or the insanity of past GW, including the toll

Metropolis really carries Arti for me

[crude oxide]

What I don't like about Arti's campaign is that you can either go to The Exterior avoiding all challenge or go through the GW toll and fucking suffer

[modern harness]

GW is full of scavs like Metro so it just sucks either way

[radiant night]

i just feel like it is a brutal place to start them

[lyric moss]

Metro feels a lot more fun to fight scavs in for me than the Exterior. Metropolis has a lot of terrain to use to your advantage, meanwhile UW has several empty hallways where you get insta-sniped

Can't remember past GW design at the moment (in relation to scav combat, I mean)

[radiant night]

now start arti campaign in p***yard

[crude oxide]

The whatyard?

[radiant night]

i forgor

[crude oxide]

Doing Restraint was the most unremarkable experience I've had in this game. None of the enemies pose any threat when you play as Arti and avoid all scav combat.
But when you do fight scavs it's so frustrating initially and the fact that you can't do anything about it but get better at it, unlike other campaigns where you can make friends with scavs, makes it only worse

[lyric moss]

They should've taught about concussive blast in-game, that's my take

Scav killing is so fun for me with that, and yet most people just panic and struggle, and what else should they do if they don't know stuff?

[modern harness]

Arti campaign could be a lot better in general

[lyric moss]

There's also the discovery though, but I think blast should've gotten a pass to be taught

[crude oxide]

I don't think concussive blast is a good addition. It makes Arti even better at close quarters combat making her basically unkillable

[lyric moss]

I still like Arti for various reasons (interesting story, thematic antithesis to the rest of the game, Metropolis), but yeah, there's a lot that could've been improved

[lyric moss]

You do get stunned quickly, though, so groups of scavs are still a challenge, but yeah, other creatures are free

I guess it's like a combat version of Rivulet in terms of being more fun than challenge, except it's challenging in some areas? Idk

[narrow finch]

the prob with arti is the lack of teaching the player about valuable mechanics

no cblast and no mauling

[lyric moss]

I literally forgot about mauling until now

[narrow finch]

i didn't even know about cblast until post

[lyric moss]

Could get a pass if they didn't feel so necessary quite often

[modern harness]

I think the issue with mauling is it has a tutorial but in Cas's save file state she was literally never gonna see it

[narrow finch]

WHAT

SINCE WHEN DID MAULING HAVE A TUTORIAL

[lyric moss]

Remix thing, right? I don't know where it is, actually

The tutorial, I mean. The remix option is extra tutorials, I'm guessing

[modern harness]

I need to find the message but I dont remember the wording lol hol on

[lyric moss]

Found this in the wiki, is this true or does this need updating?

I thought it was just a left in code thing, but if it's in game, that's very different!

[narrow finch]

i've never seen it

[lyric moss]

Me neither

[narrow finch]

where do you find it @modern harness

[lyric moss]

Doesn't even have a reference to check

[lyric moss]

They're looking!
Or Watching...

[narrow finch]

let's have a watch 👀

[lyric moss]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/622171187216252957/1350987777021575218/caption.gif

Ok but yeah, mauling tutorial

Trying to find anything myself

Well, I found this #downpour-lore message

Didn't know about the Gourmand one either

[modern harness]

Yea it was that one lmao

[narrow finch]

oh so if you have never starved as a non dlc scug you see it lmao

[lyric moss]

So starvation tracker would be the one where the tutorial pops up after like 5-ish cycles, right?

And they set it incorrectly? Huh.

Can't imagine what the Saint one would be, honestly

[narrow finch]

maybe zero g tonguing?

[gray musk]

Should we tell her about mauling as the tutorial is broken?

[modern harness]

Also remix breaks tutorials, period

[gray musk]

why not fixed?

[modern harness]

[narrow finch]

because it's so minor

well in theory it's minor

[gray musk]

what?

[narrow finch]

[gray musk]

Fix your game please...

[modern harness]

Tldr, The decision to add MSC as a dlc and creating remix broke everything

I would love for this stuff to be fixed

[lyric moss]

I thought those were just quirks of replaying

Like 5P skipping to the mark (though I heard that was based on hunter?) or the void sea being quicker to get through (literally no basis for this one other than it feeling faster)

[glad void]

the first one may be caused by speedrun validation

[gray musk]

It all seems like minor bug fixes. Like something for a weekend. Not to mention, you people already know what's wrong, so patching it shouldn't be difficult...

[glad void]

unsure

[lyric moss]

But I've never used speedrun validation, so that's odd

[gray musk]

what?

[glad void]

i’ve heard that speedrun validation does something like that

making five pebbles’ monologue shorter

[lyric moss]

Maybe it does? Sounds like something it could do, but I'd rather make sure

[narrow finch]

survivor at least still has him do his whole shtick, i know that msc scugs skip the intro bit

[glad void]

pretty sure i played on a separate save for ascension rwsc (speedrun validation enabled) and when i got to five pebbles it immediately skipped to the four pixels

again could just be me being dumb but

[gray musk]

Why would speedrun validation make the game faster?

[modern harness]

The thread below this message details it but yea

[gray musk]

It's just supposed to add some control data.

[narrow owl]

it's probably QOL thing

so you don't have to set up a hunter run

although I don't think any category actually gets mark from pebbles anyways

I guess it might be useful for SM?

maybe 100 percent too, I don't remember if meeting pebbles is required for that

[narrow finch]

there's rw hundo runs?

what is that like?

[narrow owl]

90 percent of the time is spent getting passages

iirc it's all passages and then beating the game ofc

I don't remember if meeting pebbles is required for the run

[narrow finch]

in my head that's like, max collection as a certain scug, and then all passages

[narrow owl]

they don't go for collection

all collection would probably take a very, very long time

[narrow finch]

it just takes strong enough routing

and like

[lyric moss]

I guess they don't bother with mapping, since that doesn't really have a concrete tracker?

[narrow finch]

every single campaign

[narrow owl]

oh yeah absolutely not

[modern harness]

I imagine its jsut smth like all passages, echoes

Collectable stuff in the campaign

[narrow owl]

it's 100 percent for one campaign, to be clear

[lyric moss]

Sadge
As a mapper, I'm outraged (not really, mapping is insane)

I'm glad they don't have to map

Even if it's fun

[narrow owl]

would take like 10+ hours lol

[lyric moss]

10 HOURS?!?!?!?
ONLY 10 HOURS?????!?!!?!?!?!??!?!!?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[modern harness]

Joar jumpscare

[narrow owl]

with routing, for one campaign*

[lyric moss]

*Says the person who hasn't mapped all of the sky and pits in vanilla yet

Ah, I see

[narrow owl]

grapple worm and starve squidcada probably makes it pretty fast

[lyric moss]

The Joar lore of yore...

Watcher mapping has taken me over 100 hours, but I shan't talk about that here
(Mostly me just dying a lot)

That's not indicative of Watcher length btw, I'm just insane like that

Or it could!!! You never know...

[narrow owl]

[glad void]

[narrow owl]

the watcher is 1000 hours long confirmed

[radiant night]

Actually 10k hours…

[lyric moss]

And everybody's still just rushing to finish it instead of exploring and taking everything in as intended

But enough about that, I guess

[gray musk]

Imagine True 100%... all campaigns...

[lyric moss]

Me one day hopefully

[gray musk]

(I watched to much undertale true Hundo )

[modern harness]

Was it Shayy

[gray musk]

Idk. I was just watching the WR on speedrun.com

[lyric moss]

Ah, gotta go Watch some of that myself

(Shayy videos on true hundo)

[glad void]

true 100%
do literally everything possible

everything

press every key on every tile

[gray musk]

So probably yes.

[lyric moss]

Accomplish every quantum superposition sequence

Actual 10000+ hours on that

[glad void]

does true 100% count as playing for infinite time too

[lyric moss]

It always boggles my mind that the universe technically has limited possiblities in terms of superpositions and limited possible parallel timelines, just so many that it feels infinite

[gray musk]

you also need to do both DLCs.

[lyric moss]

100% of your time in life

Gotta get on the Rain World grindset the moment you get birthed

[glad void]

play rain world on every individual atom of the universe

[gray musk]

No?

[radiant night]

(probably so they can enjoy it without seeing spoilers)

[gray musk]

actually yes... because planks length.

[radiant night]

i glanced at my bf's phone and there was watcher spoilers and he doesnt even play the game

[lyric moss]

A parallel universe could have a single atom be different and therefore be different, but there can't be infinite ways for things to be set up, despite the sheer overwhelming size of everything

[radiant night]

parallel universe where 5p has one extra neuron and decides to not explode

[lyric moss]

This is how I feel. I think I've been spoiled on everything by now. Thankfully, I only have ending stuff to do left.

Still, a sad situation

[glad void]

[radiant night]

i still dk the ending at least1!

[lyric moss]

Different universe where he had one more neuron and everything is the same

[lyric moss]

I wish I could say the same 😔

[radiant night]

one more neuron
same thoughts going on

[lyric moss]

I've already somehow been spoiled on future content that has been found in files

[narrow owl]

[lyric moss]

My impulsivity will be the end of me one day

[narrow owl]

watcher lore so bad we had to look in the files for new lore

[radiant night]

[lyric moss]

Nah, it's too good, that's why we need more

[narrow owl]

nahh

watcher lore is pretty bad atm

because it's not complete

[lyric moss]

We gotta be careful to not spoil everyone here, though

[radiant night]

stoppppp

[narrow owl]

yeah ofc

[glad void]

#watcher-lore …

[radiant night]

let me enjoy the game before im told its bad

[lyric moss]

(Disagree, it's cool as it is, but more more)

[narrow owl]

I'm gonna move to watcher lore

[lyric moss]

People say base game is bad, people say downpour is bad, subjectivity is all around us

[radiant night]

bless console players

[lyric moss]

Have fun!!!

[radiant night]

i know i still try to avoid reading it because it taints the experience

[modern harness]

Good luck. Its still way to constantly active in there for me to wanna go in

[lyric moss]

I'm too mapful and mapping and un-endingful right now to be allowed to know stuff yet, and I've still seen too much

[glad void]

mapful

[lyric moss]

Uhh, back to something non-watcher before staff explodes us all
What was the broken Saint tutorial again?

[radiant night]

guessing its about the cold mechanic and tongue

[lyric moss]

Probably, but I feel like that's communicated pretty well, not much to expand on

[radiant night]

game does tell you to grab a lantern though.. unless thats a remix thing

i think arti and gourmand were the only ones that needed a tutorial

[lyric moss]

I think the lantern tutorial is always there, since the setup always is

[radiant night]

unless saint would have showed you to ascend creatures or something later on

[lyric moss]

They do tell you that too! Very briefly and easily missable... but they do!

[radiant night]

i didnt realize some people never ascended anything till i looked at saint threads

[lyric moss]

what... actually, I guess that checks out

[radiant night]

i mean i know it is possible but it was my first instinct to go genocide everything

rubicon when the red lizard and miros vultures pull up

still not too hard

[lyric moss]

I do wonder what kind of turorial could fit into the starve tutorial trigger, though.

Actually no idea

[radiant night]

gourmand would mostly benefit from telling people to stand still to recover energy faster

[lyric moss]

Think the (broken) tutorial is similar to that already, but absolutely

[radiant night]

if the breath meter was on by default it would solve people drowning from spamming swim boost

[glad void]

you need remix for msc right

[lyric moss]

I do somewhat prefer no breath meter now though, even though I used it a lot before

There's a balance to strike in what the game should tell you and let you figure out, so I'm unsure about a prompt about this

Hmm...

Could be in loading screen tips (if it isn't already) or a hypothetical fixed extended tutorials, maybe?

[radiant night]

mb

[radiant night]

it could just pop up and show that when you boost it goes down

[glad void]

i like it for rivulet but no other cat

[radiant night]

arti breath meter

when im travelling from sl to sb i want the breath meter

[lyric moss]

Still rather odd, imo. Sudden hud pop-up could confuse people, and they already try to minimize huds

[radiant night]

oo spooky ghost popup appear when you boost in water

it shoul djust jumpscare you with a picture of inv's face

every time you boost

[lyric moss]

Imagine if you had the visual threat enabled and it went up by itself in specific places to show anxiety

Wait, wrong reply

[radiant night]

maybe if you die from boosting in water it could show up in the tips

[lyric moss]

YES
Would be a really good remix thing

I think we got it perfectly there

[radiant night]

i dont like the small strings of text at the bottom of the screen since most people miss it, but you could just have that popup the first time the slug sticks their head under the water too

[lyric moss]

Maybe not instantly when underwater. Upon respawning is probably the best place for it if anywhere

Oddly, I never really found the text easy to miss. The screen darkens, and I can see the borders clearly. I know people struggle, it's just difficult for me to understand well because I pay attention to my whole field of view (and peripheral vision) almost always

But yeah, good point about the text

[sacred fox]

(Late to the conversation I know) This happened to me on my first playthrough, actually. It felt normal since "oh cool floating guy that I spent hours trying to get to sees me and wants to talk to me."
Turns out he examines you first, which I got robbed of I just thought Moon was being extra fancy with her projections since she's an older superstructure, (in SM's campaign), but no

It could be a remix thing since I did do my first playthrough with remix, but I wouldn't know

[radiant night]

[grave token]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1367112694536339526
dis too much for a title?

[radiant night]

i dont think safari is a spoiler is it?

[grave token]

Just checking to be sure

[late copper]

a major issue regarding them is that they disappear almost instantly if you're holding the map button

in this case you won't be able to read them whether or not you noticed them appear

[modern harness]

This is why I always ask whether or not people have seen bith Saint tutorials

It is very, VERY easy to miss one or both

[radiant night]

unlocking the ability to ascend but never knowing how to activate it (or that it exists in general....) 💔

[north mural]

Worst agony is watching a player ignore or fail to understand the tutorial and making it all the way to their first guardian room in rubicon before questioning why they're stuck

It should be legal to mansplain the ascension power. USE YOUR FUCKING BIDENBLAST BEAM! YOU'RE MISSING OUT ON THE MOST FUN LEG OF THE OVER-WORLD SIDE OF THE JOURNEY!

[lyric moss]

This looks like a rendering glitch, what

[lyric moss]

What should we say here? Don't wanna reveal too much about the goal of the campaign... unless she wants that

Do we just say that scavs "respawn" (I know it's not that simple)?

[pine locust]

I mean like, just tell her to pay attention in future campaigns to the amount of scabs

*scavs

And compare it to the amount in arti

That’s a vauge enough answer I think

[lyric moss]

I think she just wants gameplay guidance here, though. That could put her on the wrong track

I'm thinking just confirming that just killing them doesn't do anything will be enough

(Your answer could still be good in the context of answering it in terms of story, but that may not be needed )

[lyric moss]

I do know the reason, but... I wanna keep the events a surprise. Just to clarify!

[north mural]

Yeah it makes sense that you can't continue

I don't think l ever played the ascension ending tho .. had no idea

I mean l know the ending l just didn't know it locked reentry

[lyric moss]

Yeah, it does

I mean, other scugs escape the cycle, but can still reenter

But it instinctively makes sense if she... just super-disintegrates, or whatever happens

(I know what happens, it's just a bit confusing)

[north mural]

Entropically deleted from the samsara

[lyric moss]

I figure just saying "you can't continue" and not elaborate may have implied too much about what would happen, so I added that last part of "for some reason". I really wanna see her reaction

That sequence is pretty cool on its differences, from needing to bring a scav to the differences in events

(How much it makes sense from a vanilla perspective is a different discussion, but I find it very cool by itself )

[grave token]

iirc you are locked into one or the other
If you ascend you got locked into it
If you kill chieftain you can't raise karma at all

[lyric moss]

Putting this here too, for anyone to see

I mean, Ruffles just said it right above, but yeah

[radiant night]

There’s not a real reason to do the ascension ending and then go to chieftain other than gates would be a little easier

[lyric moss]

I still wanna present a choice

But very true

[modern harness]

Well she saw the echo pre-fight lol

[lyric moss]

Ah well, it's not like the alt dialogue is particularly important

And I doubt she'd have the patience to do another run to see the original if she did, anyway.

[modern harness]

Cant wait for Cas to find Pebbles as Saint

[sacred fox]

Idk, Riv might change her mind lol

[modern harness]

:p

[latent fractal]

Guh
I can't wait to rant about Pebbles more when she plays Riv
it completed the character arc

He's had god knows how much time to think about what he did, and calm down as the situation around him steadily gets worse, and it's extremely clear that he regrets his actions
So in one fatal attempt at penance, he gives his heart away

Why do I love tragic stories so much

[sacred fox]

Me too though

[latent fractal]

Also my internal thoughts: "Laaaassstt Christmas, I gave you my heart..."

Dah dah dadah dah, da dadadada dahhh

[modern harness]

Do we tell Cas about the maul tutorial?

Its another thing with combat and shes never gonna find it cause they broke tutorials

[lyric moss]

All for it! Just ask her first. She might say no until she struggles more, but then she won't be needing it anyway, so that'd be fine too.

What remix preset does she use, by the way? The default one, I'm guessing.

[modern harness]

I think so?

[lyric moss]

Sounds like a safe bet.

[sacred fox]

The amount of times I've accidentally mauled grappling worms makes me surprised that she hasn't at least encountered it yet

Oh ok she did lol

[sacred fox]

Some of the pearl dialogue hints that he's still working the whole time he's reading. He is just a big calculator after all

[narrow finch]

oh no she left metropolis! lmao

this prob means she's gonna ascend first

[modern harness]

She already did kill ending

[narrow finch]

oh really

missed that

[modern harness]

YYe

[narrow finch]

i just noticed this

once she starts expeditions, should we tell her hot to do moon transcription of metropolis pearls?

[modern harness]

Maybe

If she asks about it perhaps cuz it specifically requires Surv/Monk Metro spawn chances

[narrow finch]

i tried doing metro pearl moon reading blind once

that's how i found out the hard way that cyans still spawn in metro as surv

[atomic locust]

hey <@&1137895527271379055> I had a random idea

I notice we sometimes get applications for the first playthrough helper role from people with specifically 0 messages in the channels, and I think people feel like they need the role to be able to help other users to begin with

do you think there might be a better term other than "helper" that the role could have? or should it just stay the same

(think challenge verifier)

(non-helpers are totally good to throw ideas in the ring here)

[modern harness]

It seems to be a somewhat common trend I think? Where people think they need the role before they can even participate in doing what the role entails

Just in general

[glad void]

you have to be community helper before interacting with any of the community 🥹

[modern harness]

Community Hurter

[glad void]

about The Question i just wanted to say that i have absolutely no idea and the time i was typing for a second was by complete accident

[atomic locust]

I see it in like, 50% of first playthrough helper apps and basically none in kther helper categories

def more prevalent here

[modern harness]

Huh

[atomic locust]

I do see the sentiment in other categories though, ik what you mean by it

just moreso here

[modern harness]

No idea why its more common here
Its just being a regular user with like, 2 extra permissions

I guess it could be a thing of like, wanting training on properly doing it or watching other felpers before trying it

[atomic locust]

First Playthrough Managers
First Playthrough Assistants
First Playthrough Aids

i dunno nothing seems to stick

[radiant night]

i think its kinda odd for someone to apply then never speak in the first playthrough posts

[atomic locust]

I think a lot of it is the pressure to do things right

[radiant night]

if you rename it you should rename all of them to keep it consistent

[modern harness]

Yeah

[atomic locust]

naw

Challenge Verifiers are Challenge Helpers

[radiant night]

thats the only exception tho isnt it?
im not familiar with the challenge channel

[atomic locust]

ye but one exception breaks a rule

[grave token]

Me watching you Felpers

[modern harness]

Cause if you dont do it right then the new player could get spoiled if they dont want that or somethin
It constantly a changing thing based on the player too so remembering who does what could be tough

[atomic locust]

so there's no big pressure to standardize

I would say First Playthrough Guide but I specifically created the term guide to refer to the people that help regardless of whether or not they have the role

so thatd be worse

[grave token]

Tbh I could see how something other than FIRST playthrough helper could help but

[radiant night]

the guide post does say anyone can help too

[atomic locust]

repinning

[radiant night]

discord removing pins again 😭

[grave token]

imo it would be useful if there was "tiers" of Felpers

[atomic locust]

nah it was just lower down from new pins

[atomic locust]

🧐 how so

[grave token]

Like the lowest is normal people
Next is people who are like "nominated" by real Felpers/staff, and then real Felpers/staff

I'm just spitting ideas out tho
Might be good might not

[modern harness]

Felping really is just a thing you learn from by watching others lol
It was how I got into it Its a lot of trial and error

[grave token]

[grave token]

Me watching Felpers do their jobs so I can learn to felp be like

[radiant night]

you could put in the application that people should help out in the threads too, or at least participate in them

[grave token]

Not the best idea but it's something

[radiant night]

i think it makes more sense to "hire" somebody who has actually been a part of it and to discourage people who havent

[modern harness]

Ye

[radiant night]

it wouldnt make sense to make someone a challenge verifier if they never have done a challenge

[grave token]

We watch
Waiting for the days of being a felper

[modern harness]

If someone applies that hasnt had a go at felping then theres not really a good way to gague how well theyd do as one

[atomic locust]

I think there's just a bit of a misconception around helpers generally that gets amplified when you consider how much more the first playthrough helpers role really asks of you

people thin you need helper to help but you help to get helper

[modern harness]

Yeye

[radiant night]

yeah thats why im saying it should be at the top of the application for any helper role the applicant should be participating in the channels that are relevant to the role

[modern harness]

Felping is directly interacting with and guiding people, while most other helper roles are mostly just being in certain channels and making sure rules are being followed

[atomic locust]

the ping aspect of the first playthrough helpers role is unusual as far as helper stuffs goes, honestly

[radiant night]

its like the rule that you should be familiar with the game, and completed it yourself

[atomic locust]

I do want to try to emphasize somewhere in writing that it's for immediate issues and when you arent getting help after asking without the ping

people have been using it a lot more casually lately

not the end of the world but there's more than one person that got rid of the role because of the high amount of pings

[modern harness]

Ig
There are some counts of people doing felping that havent done everything yet and thats fine imo

Also yea

That one Watcher forum gets like 3 felper pings a day xd

[radiant night]

completed as in the survivor campaign at least and looked at the others

[simple solar]

definitely not aids

[radiant night]

for dp scugs

[modern harness]

Maybe more I havent counted lol but its a lot

[glad void]

what's the name i'm curious

[radiant night]

the pings should just be something you sign up for with that position i guess

[glad void]

[radiant night]

ive never applied for anything, i am just suggesting what makes sense to me

[modern harness]

"Returning to Rain World with The Watcher"
One of the first 5 recent messages has a felper ping

[shrewd timber]

Help

[grave token]

Ok chat idea I had while doing smth
What if there were like felper trainees that have most of the perms as Felpers, but are also like don't have as many perms as real Felpers and like it's given to trusted people that have been part of the threads consistently by Felpers/staff?
idk this might blow up in my face

[glad void]

i will be sure to check that out once i finish

[shrewd timber]

I mean

[modern harness]

You might wanna mute that whole channel when you get Felper role Ruffles

[grave token]

Planned on it

[shrewd timber]

The mod stuff you get from felper isn't that much

[glad void]

does that not have soilers in the intro message actually

maybe i shouldn't be talking about this here because this isn't watcher fp guide coordination

[shrewd timber]

Pin/delete messages, ping role and the .spoiler command

[radiant night]

isnt that like all they need 99% of the time

and access to staff channels

a trainee would just be a felper at that point

[glad void]

i was wondering why i was seeing different message reposts lately

[grave token]

Tbh I was just spitting out an idea I had
Doesn't mean it was a good one but

[shrewd timber]

Ye

[shrewd timber]

Ikik

It's an interesting idea 🪱

[modern harness]

Sprinkles got an upgrade

[radiant night]

[glad void]

did that upgrade also involve removing the ! in the name

[modern harness]

Sprinkles is covering every edge of the server planning her ultimate takeover frfr

[glad void]

it became less enthusiastic

[grave token]

To add on, like the trainees don't get as much access to the server? Idk

[shrewd timber]

I think the main issue tho is that people think that you need the role to be valid in helping people

Not sure if a trainees role is felpful in that issue

Generally it's an inch resting idea

[grave token]

Or instead of like First Playthrough Helpers maybe... Um... like adding a description at the top that says "FIRST PLAYTHROUGH HELPER IS ONLY FOR THOSE THAT ARE ACTIVE IN THE FIRST PLAYTHROUGH THREADS" or smth

[simple solar]

To gain access to talking you must complete pilgrimage first

[glad void]

guess i'll use sign language

[crude oxide]

I think everyone should be a felper by default

[modern harness]

They are more like earned roles, sorta like moderating but not really
Need an idea of how someone handles thing to know if theyd be a good felper

[simple solar]

to gain access to hands-

ditto

[glad void]

i'll use telepathy