#Old FP Guide Coordination [Archived]
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Would this count as a request we can grant, then? I assume so.
And is the text I grabbed in the right format (if such a thing exists)?
Wanna make sure
yeah
I did it! I felped! Yay!!!!!
See? You'll get the hang of it by hanging around
I don't think I'll apply to be an official felper anytime soon, but I'll still occasionally try to help with the things I can! 

I'm trying to be a felper bc I spend 90% of my time on Discord here and in the threads
I don't spend as much time here on a regular basis (usually), so I feel like I wouldn't have time + motivation, but it sounds like you've got what it takes! 
@balmy fiber Heya noticed you wanted to help so
Take a read through the pins and guidelines and you should be ready for felping!
heugH bro- brainwrym be strugglin fr, i dunno how much longer they finna put up with vague answers, im tryin my best here
just be direct next time they are needing help
i did, but like, not too direct
i told them they need to give them stuff
gonna show this gif maybe
yea just tell them straightup something they can give
i did
no, i said they like spears
oh yeah well they probably wont think to give 4 of them
they dont know how many to give, so im thinking of sending that gif so they know what the signal is to pass through
after the third i would give up if i didnt know haha
you can just say that there will be a signal
they can discover it on their own still
well too late for that i suppose
ye i just told them-
i did 
i wouldnt give gifs/videos unless it is for showing how to downspear or some other movement but i obviously am not a staff member so that is not my call
well i said they'd wave them through, and they said that the scavs did wave at them and they still killed them, probably thinking of the payment wave, so this is just to distinguish the two

oml
mine
Big brain Mono
wait why are there fireflies in that room
I have more gifs
Great question
Scavengers, often abbreviated as Scavs, are widespread tribal creatures that are typically seen in groups. They are social creatures that use gestures and body language to communicate with one another, and they are capable of carrying and utilizing weapons in a manner similar to Slugcat.
@sage stirrup iirc Arti is at max neg rep, and if you get max neg rep you are killed on sight
Oop-
wiki says always passive at tolls, unless ur arti
yeah toll scavs are always neutral
arti just hater
Yeah l was thinking abt that in terms of arti too, l thought it applied to other campaigns
nop, just arti 

He's gonna be infuriated in the future when after a bajillion tries he makes it to moon but finds out that's not the ending, and that he forgot to activate echoes on the way there

Yeah l just mean visit them in general
i wish i counted how many hunter attempts i was at

it's?
better to do it when they don't know. Less painful.
robot don’t have gender
its without apostrophe means im referring to the thing not it is
idk how best to explain that
Neither did we till we decided to.
oops, my typo.
iirc, Moon is always reffer to as She/Her in pearls/broadcasts.
im aware
it's = it is
im not mislabeling a robot out of spite or anything malicious I promise
also- yes? doesnt pebbles refer to her as a she? also... big sister moon
but yes, she never did specify her pronouns, so fine.
Yeah, ik.
also new players will refer to either moon or pebbles in a variety of ways anyway
you can just say it is my hc to call them what I do
i find it kinda funny to look at 5p as a girl for some reason
I’ve seen a few people say that ya xd
I shouldn't be getting so heated over the pronouns of a bunch of robots in a game.

also yes there is a difference between gender and assigned sex at birth but the robots don’t have anything to define them either way
was tryna figure out how some things make sense as a certain gender, like, lttm gives female vibes somehow, and 5p the same but a guy
and NSH
gender stereotypes, one is seen as more caring and the other more egotistical
before someone comes after me remember I used the word “stereotypes” 
ye no that checks out
at least that is how I read them on the surface in my very first survivor playthrough, I know they have more depth than that
A societal truth
yes, ik.
i mean.. its a stereotype for a reason, afab are more likely to be caring and sympathetic, and amab are less likely for that, and generally physically stronger n stuff
its not flat out wrong
i feel im treading dangerous territory tho
so ima

Indeed, hormones do a bunch of stuff, and yes, we should end this conversation.
5P throws tantrum (kills everyone)

oh yeah is there a way to like
oh wait hold on this is modded content
ima go there and ask
@simple solar please be careful when giving a rwsc channel link, as those contain a lot of spoilers. especially for someone who haven't played almost at all you probably shouldn't give them link to that
ah it's that page, refardless could encourage them to look at challenge sheet :D
wait what does it spoil
that page doesn't really spoil anything but may make person curious how to get colours, and the person then might click the challenge sheet link
I already answered the question, but is it ok if I point out why she may have thought that (Namely Pebbles exterior being brown instead of Moon's grey)?
Actually nah, maybe towards the end, but she might figure it out before then 
Cas is pretty good at figuring things out
Thinking about how Cas has a pretty high chance of seeing all the Arti dreams if she doesnt beat the campaign within 25-ish cycles before it starts looping nightmares
That'll be funny
I bet she'll discover Pebbles pearl reading and be so delighted she'll stretch 500 cycles by bringing over every old pearl she remembers
The exterior pearl is really close
@vernal tulip heyo
Take a read through our pins
oh aight thanks.
(incase you were worried about guideline 2 i feel like when you have seen every other area except 1, guideline 3 starts applying?)
actually he didnt mention drainage system yet 
Ehmm. Are broadcasts a spoiler?
Its a Spearmaster exclusive thing so I’d say so
It only takes one for their existence to be realized
would it be a spoiler to send a gif of a train lizor chasing a scug in cas thread? cus she asked for a gif of a cug being chased by an unfahtomably fast lizard
and i would do red lizards, but they're annoying cus they keep stopping to spit
Ofc it's a spoiler lizard
kk i thought that but also wasnt sure if cas was ever gonna play inv
Theres nothing like encountering your first trainzard
ofc she finna play inv
what am i talking about
ive never encountered my first trainzard u_u
red centi spam
With msc enabled yes
I think they already know
I thought I saw them talk about it but maybe im goin crazy
@gray musk what do you think
I told them how to activate it before at the very least 
Its either pressing jump or not using rarefaction boost
I dont think not wiggleswimming affects too much chances on making it?
no matter what, you will need one or the other
wiggleswimming might make it but arteries are very long
i def think at the very least they know about swim boosting tho
I think they should be able to figure out the cell makes them faster in the water if they haven’t already
Yeah wiggleswimming shouldn't impact
The longest water rooms are doable with just constant cell use
I don’t remember if I wiggled at all through the area but I would think every part of the game is possible without it
it’s not a mechanic that is taught to the player normally anyway
Me who had to go through those rooms as Survivor thanks to mods:

It was very much pain

Istg it felt like I was softlocked but I eventually did it
One hell of a way to meet moon for the first time
It’s great but not needed to win
What if you need it to win in terms of life satisfaction 
I'll try!
Is this good?
Bit of a shame that they're playing with maps, but I don't wanna stop them if they want to use them. Maybe I'll warn them of spoilers?
Wait, they said they're only using it for SH, it's probably fine
Remains
@radiant night ty for handilng that one 
They are just really frustrated, understandably so because shaded doing shaded things 
yeag
More than enough to tame a red lizor... now we wait and see how she distributes them across cycles 
i'm going to invoke the non-intuitive to avoid frustration clause
yeah that's fine info to give
remember the Player Should Choose To See The Information Clause™️
killing all of those noots for nothing would be a pain
grah i'm such the forgetter
She may already know that that's what it's called, but I'd still say double check
i'm not sure what the optimal route is to reach heart from the memory arrays den
as riv
i told truffle to head down right to a closer den, but is that better?
yes
urgh ms i hate you so much
the graphical map on the wiki is much nicer to look at imo
i’d go ms_lab9 ms_lab13 ms_lab12 ms_memoutside ms_mem03 ms_mem04 (lotsa kelp here be warned) ms_i06 ms_i13 (shelter if you want to) ms_artery01 ms_artery07 ms_artery11 ms_heart
for larger regions i always screw up pipe connections on graphical maps
having it be curvier makes my brain less likely to fuck up
they are mildly overstimulating though
WAIT RHIS IS FP GUIDE HELP OOPS
yeagh just do. general directions.
how did i not notice this <-blind as a bat

i have an actual (very slight) headache this region is so bad. i should not have any semblance of a headache from looking at a map
submerged is hell it exists only to be a pain. to me
Submerged sucks to look at for the map
yeahhhh
If I knew how I would gladly redo the region connections to make it less overlapping and weird 
at least graphical map has all the rooms in a semi nice layout
submerged is So pretty and So cool as a concept but my god do i hate it for like. Everything else
yeahhhh true
it's crazy that riv is like, still a competent campaign when you have to go through 2 of the worst regions in the game to complete it
@karmic leaf if you haven't, please check out the pings in here.
what did i do wrong
i dont think i spoiled anything
no one pinged me here either
An overly direct answer to dealing with monster kelp.
what was i supposed to tell them, they were asking for help
it wasn't spoilers or anything
You aren't in trouble or anything, just so you know for the future.
i gave them 2 solutions they could use
and they could choose either one
i think if someone asks for a solution to a problem its fair to give them the best solution
Unless they are struggling, don't give solutions. Just nudge them in the right direction.
they were struggling tho?
they wouldnt have asked if they werent struggling
+they should be given the option to choose how big of a hint they get.
We usually provide hints rather than straight up answers. And it is better ||spoiled|| so it's always their choice
ok ill ask if they want a hint or solution first next time ig
i dont think its a big deal tho
You can include both like
Here's a hint: ||boo||
Bigger hint: ||BOO||
Direct answer: ||👻||
ok
personally i wouldn't care if someone gave me a solution instead of a hint first, if im asking someone i expect a solution anyway
but whatever you guys say
yeah. Just something to know of, because RW is about discovering stuff, and that could be how to get past something.
But wouldn't it be more satisfying to figure it out on your own, even tho you got a hint?
Different people have different expectations. Someone is ok with a link to the map and someone could be mad at mentioning the slightest spoiler
In general it is better to go with the safest approach
in my experience people really seem to hate giving maps to people, i think it's fine since its their choice if they click the link or not
ik i get pissed beyond reason when i get soilered when i didnt ask for it 
Ah I see
I kinda had suspicions but it isn’t the type of thing I wanted to question too much because it would be revealing that mechanic ;w;

Not yet, I think.
hehe she used the word ascending without knowing it can be done then
I hope she figures it out sometime
I think she just assumed (correctly) that Spearmaster can ascend, so yeah. Not much to indicate that they can't, really.
I wonder what she will think of it? I think the menu sprite is quite pretty, but not much else interesting to me.
Will still be cool to see!
They can! It's just not a very special sequence. A lot of MSC ascensions are more on the underwhelming side (mostly consisting of odd-looking redraws of Survivor).
Ah, figured
I remember seeing an ascended spearmaster in a video from the slugcat select screen but nothing else
All slugcats can get an ascention ending (even if Saint lore is different, but still, they all have depths endings)
Yeah, spearmaster's spirit is very pretty! The eyes in the actual cutscene look odd, though
Cataracts
The downpour scugs' ascension endings are just copypaste recycled from survivor because it isn't their intended ending for their stories
Exception of arti and saint ofc
collections is visible
Nvm they got it
oh i didn’t notice oops 
i wasn’t sure if it was pipeyard so i just looked for the button for full confirmation
underwhelming, but still an experience 
I’ve never been to pipeyard but I have that background 
It's always an experience 
I think that is what it is tho
An experience? Yeah ✅
Indeed
It's the region that doesn't exist

I went to Pipeyard quite often, back in the day! What I really don't remember is what I did in Barren Conduits (Pipeyard as Saint)... like, I know I was there, but I remember nothing
oh same 
i knew the name of the gutter at the time but nothing else about it
and therefore i had no idea what barren conduits was 

@digital crest please don’t spoil (sub)region names 
you can check the pins here for guidelines 
ah fair enough, I figured that's where they were so it wouldn't be a spoiler but I guess I'll be more careful
assumptions are pretty dangerous in first playthrough threads 
good luck felping in the future 
Throwing a weapon at LTTM does in fact unconditionally set her like of player to the lowest value. Unfortunately the only way they can get her to talk again is by hibernating 5 times or giving a neuron
@spice gyro please read the pinned message here if you wish to help new players
also note this chat will contain spoilers in it
I think this is a fair thing to tell. Me wasting a resource isn't something I want to discover by accident personally 
Still for future reference I'm asking
Guess that's a good reason, but rw is fun figuring stuff out (even if you "waste" something
)
I dont think telling was harmful in this case
if the answer to something small is clearly stated as a direct answer and spoiler tagged imo it’s fine
and if the op asked for it 
Those names are absolute peak
they were streaming the game haha


ah discord. how functional you are
wdym
Yea that
I was making dinner and checking the forums and saw it got unpinned again
Yeah that’s been happening
Am I allowed to confirm or deny
@grave token I don’t know who else to ask I’m sorry for the pingggg
it's an explicit yes/no question and you can't exactly hint at it, so it abides by Avoid giving the player information that has not been asked for, particularly if it is something that the player could find enjoyment in discovering for themselves. 
Okay so i think that confirming is good then?
tbh I don't really like myself the trend of "never give direct answers to questions" and it's not breaking the guidelines to give direct answers when questions are asked
I do like it being done in reason, generally using information the player should already known if possible, but never as a rule 
vague questions get vague answers, direct questions get direct answers
Uhhhhh should be fine? Sorry I was asleep till a few minutes ago
I know we already told Cas at some point to open vanilla campaigns at least to add pearls to collection, but just to make sure, is it OK if I tell her to open Hunter again to add it (if she even had it read in her latest playthrough)?
lmao my friend called orange lizards "femboy lizards" because their horns looked like striped thigh highs
idk if The List™️ is maintained here still or if it got moved to watcher thread
your friend might need a break off the internet
I call the strawberry lizards femboy lizards because they are skinny and pink and white
there is no list maintining being done `cause @teal timber has been dead since watcher release as far as I'm aware
Ye theyre playing through Watcher and doin notes rn :3
But they told me their computer died so itll be a while
that's fair
feel free to make a watcher version
OH WATCH OUT WATCH OUT WATCH OUT WATCH OUT OH THERE'S THE K. O!!!
I just noticed those black dot things at the bottom of the gif, now I can't unsee them
(probably from terrain)
it does look like the strawberry suplexed the other strawberry tho right
Wow it actually does
its shortcut/den entrance i believe
k but how bout dis (not slowed down at any point btw)
wait I know where this room is
yeah that cyan is just completely fine
except it wasnt cause that cyan was strugglin already and that bite did not do it any favours
same one
then bro had to take a power nap
not if there is a stampede of buffalo running by.....
stampede of uh
green lizor
there isn't really a buffalo adjacent creature in downpour
gourmands
well there is one in watcher
<@&1295803524462149695>
why is this a no watcher content channel in the first place
this is in downpour spoilers
oh real


Modssss! Explode this user with your mind!
💥
🍔
Controversial opinion; I don't like the Gutter threat theme
For a moment I thought it was the submerged superstructure theme (for some odd reason idk I'm tired)
i didn’t even know a gutter threat theme existed
It's a variation of Chimneys I'm decently sure
a threat theme for a subregion 
And if it isn't I'll go back to bed
downpour devs on their way to make the worst subregion in all of rainworld
thankfully the connection is mostly useless
who wants to willingly go to drainage system 
shame msc all you want but remember vanilla has unfortunate development
Yk that's a good catch, l was about to bust your cap when you said there was a bad dp threat track
UD was fun, and I mean that in the least sarcastic way possible
UD is unironically amazing
me but i would rather go through subterranean than gutter tbh
the worst part of five pebbles is that you can just go around it
Meanwhile, waterfront had me dying so much because I'd get distracted by how much I was enjoying it LMHO
UD is cool as long as you're watching someone fucking dying in it instead of you being the one having to contend with it
It has good music too, speaking of the topic
I played my first playthrough with an unlabeled map, meaning I saw it as "OHH A SHORTCUT" and got absolutely fried for the first hour lol
Pebbles' scenic route for me tho pls
50 percent of the GSB and wall payoff is the hellish journey that came before it
and UD is the climax of that journey
Gimme the bug zappers, the black cube
oh no, UD is boring as hell to watch
playing through it is completely different
unfortunate development and rivulet underhang are actually so fun
the release of tension after going through a pipe and seeing that the rot is gone...
rivulet underhang aside from the rot tentacle that requires low graphics is wonderful
How about the Rot itself (gonna do a run through there and collect the arena tokens I passages away from, have not fully explored it)
it's the only part of rainworld that felt similar to the feeling celeste gave me after getting through a particularly hard section
still have never had the strength to get through ud in its entirety
i like getting electrocuted more than rotted
celeste 
The devtool, it speaks to me ......



one of these days I will golden berry 3A
and my life will be complete
this one
whar
oh i’m currently trying to as well 
it didnt used to require it 
I don't remember that
patch broke it
There should be a saint version called something similar to "saint snowing"
u could crawl under before
oh of course i decide to explore rivulet underhang the only time it’s broken 
Lol bet
so happy i played riv before the patch
I play on switch. I get everything last LMHO
There's one like that in Inv (east of the top of Tower of Gains) that you're meant to either roll pounce or e-slide through, and this reminds me of that
remake saint campaign to have mlls in every room
Replace every creature den with mll
lore 👎
mll 👍
The Saint becomes the Judge
The worst part is that, just like moon's scream not working, you know it'll never get repatched 
this thing might be more okay if you could spear the wall tentacles
you have to think outside the box for this puzzle

Didn't even know Moon screamed (I somehow decided not to touch the neurons) but seriously that seems like something she NEEDS to do
only need for a spear in all of riv's campaign
I only discovered Rain World after Downpour released (around the time Watcher was announced, though I was unaware), so I only got to hear Moon's screams as Spearmaster 
Ditto
moon shaking its head when i grabbed a neuron was enough to keep me from eating it
The poor thing 
I don't think I have ever heard moon's screams
let's just say monk, and survivor, and gourmand each were very satisfied after leaving that region with full belly in their respective playthroughs
Yeah I'm looking at my texts to my friend, I just said "what now" whilst staring at her
It was the same audio asset that is heard in her seizures in spearmaster l think
oh right survivor has done it twice in different playthroughs :)
soon™
I'm scared
hunter was a lil hungry ok
the 1 and 1 quarter food pips were very needed

white squidcada 
I forgot if spearmaster has to starve for unlimited flight or not
don’t think so
I mean "
" as in Saint's ||attunement|| but yeah that too lol
I think sm does have to starve for infinite flight
But can still fly for awhile without starving
Sm doesnt need to starve
Spearmaster is much lighter than any other Slugcat. Their low mass allows them to fly indefinitely with a Squidcada by backflipping while holding them.
Also:
Unlike other Slugcats, Spearmaster's weight is not reduced when they begin a cycle starving. However, upon filling the food bar while starving, their weight does decrease by about 15% to 72% of Survivor's weight.
"IIRC, Spearmaster actually becomes heavier after eating to full food after starving, since it's supposed to bring you back to regular weight, ex"
Is as far as I got, lol
Yea lol

Squidflight my beloved
One word throws me back to fifth grade 
same 
elementary school student reading forbidden romance cat book go crazy
can I go back to that time
leafpool and crowfeather 
I started a spinoff in 6th grade, and now that turned into a complete and original novel 6 years later so I got that going for me
(gonna turn the cats to humans though I feel like WC is the only saga that can use cats as protagonists XD )
I swear I'm too afraid to go into the actual off-topic channels so I go on rants here; I need to stop lmho
Don't it's fun
Say less 

inv 
you mean ||edible singluarity bombs?||
Good LORD that's a lot Hunter knows
Me when they say they'll look at helper apps but don't look at Felper apps

I have applied for felper still waiting 
broadcast before finishing downpour 
this was my first rwsc 
it was 2 days before finishing gourmand and 8 days after finishing survivor

PLAY IT
GRRRR
the exploder
that vulture is me fr
none of the vultures killed me 
monk moment
it almost got invalidated and it would've if igna didn't consult the council
/hj
Absolutely helpful for things like rwscs too; I can unlock all campaigns and change remix requirements and etc without worrying about changing it back for casual gameplay every time
i wonder if it works if i share my steam games with another account
probably, but annoying to do
I like portable rain world; extremely fun to play during non-busy hours of work 
Or wanting to do a mother + 2 scup run, but not wanting to erase my first ever playthrough to make room for it
why?!?

Starting from southmost Sky Islands shelter, activate a Vulture Grub and travel to the top of Communication Arrays without letting the laser fade or turn red. Die to a Vulture in the last room.
my submission is the first deathless broadcast i think 
so good vultures can’t even murder me when i am trying my absolute hardest to be murdered by one
Ahh. Thanks.
always thought dying to the vulture was just a silly and not actually required
Apply for gelpers
Question, jolly coop scug change in surv campaign, does arti have reduced lung capacity or scav rep there?
should ask the modding chat
I have no idea 💔
But this was for FP gameplay related question :D
- reduced lung capacity is partially removed; they explode when air in lungs reaches 0% instead of 65% as in their campaigns, which is still a reduction over Survivor because of the lack of a leniency period at negative air allowing you to resurface
- scavenger-artificer relationship is mostly unchanged, however e.g. there aren't any death squad changes and reputation isn't locked at -100
note that while reputation isn't locked at -100, it won't impact the Scavengers' relationship towards Artificer because it's not reputation-based
So scavs still aggressive
Yeah, arti will be attacked by scavs no matter what, and her rep doesn't affect the other players'. Did a 2 controller co-op with arti/monk and arti kept getting snipped off my back 
good thing I convinced them to in that case just start arti campaign
Sploder
They hate her :(
How dare you
@grave stag #1361408424792953106 message
outskirts always just feels like a small connection region, I just remember routes to gates and usually get through it in a cycle 
not a whole lot to do there
You mean HI!
*?
With HI I am always running from SU to Sc or CC. Or to PY usually doing it one cycle just passing through
good starting areas, not very useful beyond that
Yeah

does scavenger rep work differently for each player in multiplayer?
oh they arent playing multiplayer
btw foggy were you able to play through washer already?
ehhh I saw ping here, where did it go?
ah I see
My washing machine 
Can I tell her about these types of pearls? Ex: "that particular pink pearl has a pool of dialogue like generic white pearls, I'll let you figure out the rest"
I'll leave it be for now but I wanted to ask lol
<@&1137895527271379055> I'm still kinda new here 
She's asking directly now
you can tell her its a pink pearl she knows about how they work
as far as i know it should be fine
Epic
The broadcast pearl
outskirts is light blue
makes sense why i havent seen it then lol
its probably the msc one
the msc one to add every broadcast pearl*
Yeah, broadcast pearls are that light pink and spawn where broadcasts are
That or it just absolutely bugged out for some reason
Isn't that for notspearmaster slugcats?
I don't know if broadcast pearls spawn in sm's campaign
i think there is a pearl that is glitched and shows up in sm campaign anyway
They sometimes give generic dialogues
because code thing
I would assume it is a code thing
Very silly
i am not qualified to explain it 
Rain World: Downpour is a paid DLC released for PC on Jan 19th 2023, and later for Playstation 4+5, Nintendo Switch, and Xbox on July 11th 2023. Initially developed as the More Slugcats Mod by the community, it was brought on as official content when Akupara Games became Videocult's publisher. Downpour also incorporates several other community-m...
outskirts has 2 pearls in msc, I think
ohh it is a bonus pearl in spearmaster?
In sub, which is where she found it, guhhhh ok lemme correct myself
woah it's a me reference
Lol
We learn something new every day. I didn't know bonus pearls appeared in other campaigns 
Especially that they're a strikingly similar or identical color to broadcast pearls... sigh
dont understand why bonus pearls couldnt just be white
Fr, or just clearly generic pearls (like maybe they're dirtied up or something)
Lmao
there was some Wiki renaming after it was found out that they do exist 💥
they're originally pre-1.9, and they used a separate dialogue pool in 1.5 but were unused
though that dialogue pool in question is
in 1.9 they were made to be just identical to generic pearsl
Something just occured to me - how many types of lizards has Cas seen so far? All of them?
not trains 
anyway I do see eels and caramels in message history
and I am almost certain that all vanilla ones were seen
so trains should be the sole one missing
Yeah. Seeing the Strawberries again was what made me think of that, since most people first see them in Saint and not via lineaging. Interesting to think about!
Should we nudge Cas towards the fixed deer behavior with remix
Uhh... hmm. Maybe?
I'd say ask her first, but idk how to phrase it shouldn't reveal too much in case she doesn't want that)
She does seem frustrated with them, so I'm leaning towards yes.
Honestly, fixed deer is one of the best Remix things
...Yeah, starting to seem more and more like a good idea.
Yeah
Unless she wiggles around on the antlers a lot already (unlikely cause she hasnt said anything) it would make this a lot more bearable to do
I don't even know if she has it enabled. Probably hasn't looked past the presets, but I forgot what options those set everything to.
Anyway, I vote "Give her a little nudge, probably after asking her or spoilering"
Or maybe just doing it, idk. Player seeing only info they want, but also revealing unintuitive info to help, etc.
There's a lot to consider, and I'm not a(n official) felper. I trust your judgement! 
What would be a good hint?
Theres an ingame text about it but I forgor what it says lol
"Wiggling around will/may starle this creature" or something like that?
Maybe a bit vague for the current struggle, but idk
Wiggling around quickly might startle this creature.
A yeah that
tweaked deer behaviour is enabled by default in all presets
Then unless she messed with the settings it should be active
Maybe something to indicate that deer movement will change when wiggling, but phrased in a more natural and intuitive or immersive way?
That's actually so good, I like that a lot
"Fast movements may startle this creature into movement"
Idk lmao
Yea
I currently cant think of anything better than "Fast motions may startle the creature" w/ or w/o "into movement"
She got the pearl lol
New parkour rooms tho
Nvm on the hint in that case
-100 global rep challenge
the regional reputation with the All community, rather 
the global All reputation is pretty useless, i don't think there's even anything that it would impact
-100 (or minimum possible) rep for everything challenge
i forget, what is cas' endgoal for this spear playthrough?
Experimentation!!! We love to see it 














I remember being traumatized when the first thing I met was a red.
*Is missing 2/3 collectable passages

Looks like shes missing Friend and Martyr
Mother is obviously not ibtainable
I have my doubts shes gonna discover the Martyr one
Cause that one requires starving. And shes playing as Spearmaster, the least naturally starvable character

A Reddit thread more specifically
But still


Sadly, thats a Mother Long Legs
shes never gonna kill it unless she user The Bomb
@spare flax See above lol
what
Oh it also just flat out regens
aint no way
i thought it's just a DLL or something

i've never seen a MLL in my entire 7 scugs of gameplay
1600 hp with like... 5.67% regen rate?
if i got the regen right as well i may be too deep in this game
4.8 but it's close
damn !!!!
not even in rivulet
here's a fun fact about rivu actually
Wow
It has 400 hp but the damage multiplier on its core makes it more like 1600 yeah
i don't know what i did but by the time i realized what's happening i'm at farm arrays
Lucky 
It also has 0 explosion weakness
The only viable way to kill it without glitches is The Bomb
yeah, doesn't have the weakness of DLL and stuffs
though my point probably stands that with a particular something that might do it
oo they are trying the normal bombs first
Trying to get the unlocks in The Rot was the scariest thing I've ever done
Mlls in every other room in Depths
also huh, are you supposed to see a MLL spawn in gw?
(note that i might be doing gw in reverse in my very first playthrough)
(so uhh yeah)
Cas hasnt considered The Bomb being able to kill literally everything yet 
Well see lol
me holding a singularity bomb to the void worm (it gets dissolved before i even get to meet one)
True.....
Wait items get dissolved if you hold them when you go into the void?
i mean in my hunter playthrough i held a spear and jumped into the void sea
by the next screen transition my spear's gone and it's not up there too (probably sinked so i probably should've tested with a bubblefruit or whatever)
My first playthrough I got incredibly lost down there and hacked up a comfort pearl 

Stayed with me until the end
In remix, yes
In vanilla, no
Simply more evidence for Remix AU 
(first wasn't since they just told me to not enable anything, but i didn't pay enough attention 3:)
(but anything onwards is since... it was dlc slugcats afterwards)
Singular mll kill shes ever gonna get cuz they dont spawn in annother campaign with sing bombs available
Sing bombs don't spawn with elites in riv?
Riv doesnt have elites
I think Gourmand only has them as lineage then they disappear?
No, Surv can lineage them
Oh even if they did spawn in riv's campaign they don't spawn with singularities
Sometimes dlls can be purple but not that one
Or more specifically, they can look purple in some light, mlls are always purple
no they physically are purple
They look identical besides the size
same way you can have a dll be greenish brown
That's a brother long legs 
Meh don't quote me on it lol
i eep
You have have a dll colored the same as a bll
different sizes
There is one in shoreline
I forget which campaign I saw it in now…
but it was able to hear when I jumped or threw things
i mean that's dll mll hll all of them does that
Explosive bombs wont do much
Explosives spears kill BLLs and DLLs instantly if rng gives you enough little pops
But shes talking about the bombs, it seems, so
Literally what am I supposed to say
It was spear
Rubicon rot?
brother long legs can’t hear
0% regen rate 
Hm
Okay I need to test smth for Cas's thread
@latent fractal (Pinging you here to avoid spoiling Cas)
To be fair, they do look similar to me too, apart from size. Similar shades of close colors is the best I can describe it.
At least, as far as I remember
(Hope you dont mind pings, Sky!)
(this is for tentacles as 4.8% per second, the creature itself has no regeneration)
~_~
you can test this in-game with an Arena with a lot of Fire Eggs and a MLL 
even if you wait a lot between each throw, about 30 fire eggs will kill a MLL regardless
(You did nothing wrong! Just wanted to discuss here, sorry)
Yea spawning a BLL in arean fully treats it as a DLL even tho it shouldnt be
Well now I need to make sure all arena spawns work before I put in a bug report lol
Is it MSC-only? 
can't test rn but I have a feeling it 9is
No
ah is it DLCShared-only?
Its a bug with remix, msc, and watcher
Havent checked vanilla yet
Ill do that rq
ah nvm
public bool SizeClass
{
get
{
if ((ModManager.DLCShared && base.Template.type == DLCSharedEnums.CreatureTemplateType.TerrorLongLegs) || SlugcatStats.AtOrBeforeTimeline(world.game.TimelinePoint, SlugcatStats.Timeline.Artificer))
{
return true;
}
return base.Template.type == CreatureTemplate.Type.DaddyLongLegs;
}
}
SlugcatStats.AtOrBeforeTimeline(world.game.TimelinePoint, SlugcatStats.Timeline.Artificer)
It indeed is broken. For everything.

Should I send in a bug report or do you think they mightve gotten it somewhere to fix eventually
She got either the 7% or the 1% lineage for a BLL to spawn 
This one oops
I mean im honestly not surprised
Shes been going for about 600 cycles now lmao
killing the rot until it is all mlls then kill those too 


do you think i didn't add bll for no reason

yup thats not terrifying
That possible?
Most likely through very low chance lineages 
Lineaging rot sounds so awful fun
That's a lot of passages
Is it really all of em? (From what I can tell yea but I'm prolly wrong)
No
Shes missing Martyr (starving) and Mother is unobtainable as Spear without mods
Alright
I would pin if it was all she can get as Spear but shes missing the one 
Cas waiting for a pin
Literally never getting one

React with a pin to the request (you give her the pin she wanted) 
That's what you should do


Ya just pin anyway, she might randomly starve on a different scug and see it go up
But its not complete
She doesnt have every passage she can get as Spear
I would be pinning something that, isnt complete
The only time I pinned her other passages screen is when she actually had eveyr passage she could get as vanilla Survivor
if you don’t pin it or say something about it she will just know she is missing one but not know how to get it I guess
Yeah
Has she ever starved?
I have a feeling she will figure it out if she remembers the mechanic
if she doesn’t then…. 
The only reason shed wanna purposefully starve as Spear is if she knew about the passage lmao
Spear would have to get 10 food pips every starve cycle. Spear can just stab stuff to get food, itd be pretty difficult to naturally starve as it
I mean if you think about mechanics in the game that would be one that you might deduct would go to a passage
Maybe a stretch
Vanilla to msc maybe not
Ehh
Idk how you would hint to it without giving the answer

just go to submerged and you can experience the joys of starvation as spearmaster
Wait, Spearmaster has no Submerged 
...I guess people who would try to look for that place as Spear would be starved for finding it... or, uh, something like that.
(Unless you mean something else?)
time travel
(not even a joke 😌)
Oh yeah, that one passage glitch in early DP versions! Yeah, time travel 
copycat ref
Not the passage glitch, thats different :3
Or was it early MSC versions (like, before MSC was in DP)? Can't remember which
as a hint: it's related to gates
What!!!!
There's a gap in my knowledge!!
Unacceptable! I must locate this trivia post-haste...
check server challenges :3
if you fall asleep in a gate room by clipping out of an adjacent shelter you wake up in the region that the gate room's first set of initials correlates to
upper precipice gate to moon is GATE_SL_DM, so it wakes you up in shoreline
and from there you can access submerged
Ohh!
That's very interesting to know! Thanks 
Could you technically use that to get SL Moon's reading on Spearmaster spears?
I should figure out how to do that, so I can do one rwsc on my spear save
if she has any dialogue for them
but yea you can access collapsed Moon like that
I would assume they're treated like regular spears tho
She does have dialogue for them, usually only seeable via Jolly Co-op. Thing is, I know that Jolly Co-op changes parts of the code, so the dialogue specifically being tied to Jolly could be plausible. Of course, it's much more probable that it's an MSC thing that they either left in accidentally, or especially likely with the intention of Jolly Co-op. But I don't wanna make assumptions!
Probably MSC, the more I think about it.
Does Jolly have different dialogue for anything? I imagine so, if only something like adressing the slugcats as a group instead of just one (with more than one player)
...Nope, can't see any dialogue changes on the wiki.
i dont know where to put this but you guys are the helper people.. why wont the red take any of the cyans ive killed for it??
Reds dnt eat cyans
you gotta be kidding me
brooo
thats annoying as hell
thajknk you for the answer
sigh
alrighty time to hunt more
there will be lots of spoilers in this chat, you can make a post here (https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1272670046434492426) or here for vanilla (https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1269808032276152451) and use it to document or as any questions you may have without worries of reading game spoilers
no i know im active in this chat
i just dont know where eklse to put it bc its not a playthrough thing
its just a thing for fun
ive beaten all the campaigns (except hunter lmao)
i guess you could ask in downpour/vanilla spoilers
yeah. I agree with this. Feels like Gelper territory.
They dont know what the deal is with the overseer cuz they forgot the intro cutscene
And why its showing scug images
negl I played rainworld for a day and got upset and left it for a couple months before coming back
I forgot the intro scene too then
Lol tru
Not really my problem, but this person is being kinda rude when I told them to delete dlc stuff in a vanilla thread like???
All I did was tell em to delete it and they're mean to me like
Like
?
someone else will deal with it
Other way of syaing notifying staff for them to note
Randomly rude behavior usually is noted
Fair
Thanks for the explaining I thought you were telling me to open a ticket (if there is one?)
Yeye
yeah I saw they called me an asshole I just didn’t feel like responding 
The Cycle
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(can't post that emoji in Cas's thread lmho) /j
Im not dealing with this rn its late