Old FP Guide Coordination [Archived]

[modern harness]

She has 2 new dialogues to find from random chance :p

[crisp remnant]

I actually feel slightly bad about clogging her thread with NSH lol

[modern harness]

It feels teasy

[crisp remnant]

It does

[modern harness]

Im not rlly sure whether to say smth or not cuz

Its like taunting her

[crisp remnant]

XD

[latent fractal]

I mean we can stoo

Stoo

Stop

It's no big deal

[silver musk]

They did beat all campaigns and are not afraid of spoilers as stated also they are looking for movement advices so the message is within reason

[latent fractal]

One might even say it's no significant harassment

[crisp remnant]

I think it's probably fine, but I just don't want to annoy Cas

[latent fractal]

We should ask her

But she seems like the type of person who would say she's fine with it but actually not be

[dark tiger]

psychoanalysis of rw first playthroughs

[sacred fox]

I asked for tips -- as I've said I've already beat the game on every campaign excluding inv. Like I said previously I appreciate the help, and will just be clicking on any spoilered messages posted in that thread since I'm more or less seeking confirmation that I'm doing the best I can (my issue is changing consoles/controls, not learning new movement.)
(Yes I'm in here too lol)

[gray musk]

First Playthrough psychoanalysists role when? /j

[latent fractal]

FHerapists

[crisp remnant]

fperapists

[sacred fox]

I haven't made a single cycle on my inv campaign and I need a FHerapist

[gray musk]

Cas got the dialog.

[modern harness]

SHe got 1 more to find
The Moon drowning one

[latent fractal]

The wha?

[crisp remnant]

https://yanwittmann.github.io/rw-collection-index/?pearl=SI_chat4&transcriber=LttM-post-collapse I think

[modern harness]

When she calls out to the local group about the loss of water and now shes drowning in water

Yea

[crisp remnant]

I feel slightly sad
No doubt Monk will still be fun for Cas but there's no world state changes, no pearls, and barely different dialogue

The ending will be fun though

[torpid meteor]

moon cloak quest?

[crisp remnant]

No msc enabled

[torpid meteor]

ah

yeah not too interesting. can post 1.9 monk read pearls?

[late copper]

MSC only

[tranquil mulch]

(generic/pebbles pearl readings still exist and can provide a bunch of lore)

[grave stag]

isn't there few small changes inside 5p in monk?

[modern harness]

FP and Moon give slightly different intro dialogue
Different intro and ending art
FP's rot is worse
All colored pearls are replaced with generic white pearls
Less enemies, enemies are less aggressive
Lower damage and breath time
Higher rep and average cycle time

[torpid meteor]

monk unfortunate development is fun to do

the pearl thing feels like punishment from the devs for playing on a easier character. i'm glad msc removed that

[modern harness]

Yea I dont get it either

[crisp remnant]

I don't think it's any different from needing to play Hunter (more difficult) if you want hunter related lore. Pearls in Survivor are a benefit of playing it, not a punishment in Monk

[modern harness]

Thats

Certainly a way to look at it

Monk is the "easy mode" while Survivor is the basic experience
Also Monk was added to the game way after Survivor, at the same time Hunter was

[crisp remnant]

I mean, we probably just have different ways of looking at difficulty. I'm the kind of girl in favour of not having difficulty options in souls games because the difficulty is the intended experience

(still can't beat Elden Ring to save my life)

[tranquil mulch]

tbh cycle time is weird

[torpid meteor]

yay new scav name

mud skippers

[tranquil mulch]

because the minimum cycle time is higher, but the calculations are changed to be biased more towards the minimum while it's perfectly uniform on Surv/Hunt

[torpid meteor]

thank god. we love low cycles

(monk speedrunner)

[atomic locust]

Please dont bypass the filters intentionally.

[tranquil mulch]

the average still comes up as being 0.64545454545..., more than 0.5 on Surv/Hunt

[glad void]

saint before winning any cats

[modern harness]

There are some poeple who decide to cheat for whatever reason, like some other cats looking cool

I generally odnt bother with them, if they wanna make the game harder by skipping the learning phase then go ahead

[glad void]

also is the region names in saint being changed a soiler

[crisp remnant]

Yeah, lol, saint first sounds like a fun (if possibly annoying) way to fp the game

[grave stag]

I myself which I didn't move so easily to neq campaigns when I was newbie like my goal was to complete campaigns so I could play some cool cat

wish*

[glad void]

same

[grave stag]

tbh only runs which it really ruined was riv

[glad void]

i think a big part of why i disliked spearmaster was because i just wanted to unlock saint

[grave stag]

because after riv I found person to who I documented most of my runs which lead me to not speedrunning them that much

[gray musk]

Is worm grass spoilers?

Cause there is some in Outskirts.

[glad void]

i’d say so

very limited amount and also the less name soilers the better

[radiant night]

From what I last saw even things in outskirts can be a spoiler

like saying pinks climb and greens can’t or something

[glad void]

pole plants too

[grave stag]

finding it in outskirts is very rare, I think

[sinful sail]

its in the pit clsoe to farm tho?

[modern harness]

In

2 whole rooms

as Extremely tiny patches

[sinful sail]

yeah thats fair

[radiant night]

That’s actually a way better example

[radiant night]

It always is in the same spot, my friend playing rw the first time actually found it almost immediately somehow
he was very scared

[west mango]

I didn’t discover worm grass until LF, and I didn’t see it in SU until my hunter run

[radiant night]

there is some in SB too hehe

[west mango]

Yeah I saw that ofc

[radiant night]

i think it is possible to go through sb and not see any worm grass

if you go in through sl

or just go through the gate in drainage too

[sage stirrup]

i was confused bc they said they saw a red lizor, then realized saying no red lizors in monk would be a soiler

[glad void]

"red lizard" and it's just tan

assuming you were talking about caramel because i didn't see the message

[sage stirrup]

nah i think its a pink lizor

just a very red pink lizard

[glad void]

definitely pink

[modern harness]

A large number of people mistake pinks as reds becuse they can be pretty red

[sage stirrup]

i mean its 100% not a red

[modern harness]

Pinks arent 4 slugcats long though

[glad void]

unless they somehow managed to lineage one before making the fp thread but that's extremely unlikely

[sage stirrup]

can you even lineage one in monk? (was literally typing this out lmao)

[glad void]

probably

[modern harness]

Yea

[glad void]

idk why they'd just disable lineaging for monk it's already missing enough

[sage stirrup]

idk either but yknow

[glad void]

murder as monk is discouraged also so

[sage stirrup]

uGH i have to restart my laptop cause the stupid plug in keyboard is being annoying

[glad void]

[crisp remnant]

I recently saw the red pink. It had the spines and everything just wasn't long

[sage stirrup]

guh

also discord updated when i restarted, what is this

[humble jasper]

new ui ✨

[sage stirrup]

ik

but like

[radiant night]

time to lineage lizards on monk

[olive pulsar]

Its not cheating if its an ingame option

Even if it’s technically in a cheats menu

[sage stirrup]

.. yes it is

[olive pulsar]

I support it, I probably would’ve quit RW if I didn’t get to play Riv immediately after Monk

[tiny glacier]

Mobile or Desktop?

The update

[sage stirrup]

desktop

[tiny glacier]

Ah

[radiant night]

"cheats menu" is cheating

[olive pulsar]

Well yes but

Its like sanctioned cheating

[radiant night]

no one is saying you cant do it

[olive pulsar]

Exactly

[radiant night]

we are saying cheats are cheating that is all

or i am anyway

[sage stirrup]

its still cheating tho

[modern harness]

It literally is in the cheats menu

[radiant night]

"sanctioned cheating" is still just cheating

[modern harness]

Cheating is cheating

[olive pulsar]

Okay nerds /

[radiant night]

its not the intended way to play, but the game is what you make it
if it is fun go for it

but dont tell new players to do it

[glad void]

[olive pulsar]

I still think that if you want to play Saint first thats actually such a based choice

So if they want to

They should maybe be advised , but not discouraged

[radiant night]

saint is gonna make someone want to cry

[modern harness]

Mhm yes
Play the campaign where you can only eat fruits and food is severly limited and hard enemies spawn on the regular

[olive pulsar]

Still

[tiny glacier]

Spearmaster is harder

[radiant night]

might as well just make someone play inv first

[olive pulsar]

Saint looks cool

[modern harness]

While completely skipping the learning phase of the game

[radiant night]

there is a reason the game is paced the way it is

[modern harness]

And dying at every turn because you skipped the most basic cats to learn the game on

Yea lets do that

[glad void]

and also the rain in rain world just does not exist

Snow world

[radiant night]

LOL
saint is not even gonna teach you how to pounce

or eat

[olive pulsar]

Its still their choice

They may suffer for it

[radiant night]

ur just not gonna know how to play at all

[tiny glacier]

Wait someone playing Saint before survivor?

[olive pulsar]

But I personally loved playing Rivulet immediately after Monk (Though Im glad i played Monk first)

[modern harness]

Yes

[modern harness]

To this

[glad void]

they have gotten far enough in spearmaster to ge tthe pearl though

[modern harness]

The dlc campaigns expect you to know the basics of survival and the world layout

[glad void]

i think

[modern harness]

Not knowing is pretty detrimental

[radiant night]

watching the game lore backwards sounds like a headache

[glad void]

so not entirely blind but still pretty bad

[radiant night]

but if you dont care i guess it doesnt matter

[olive pulsar]

Exactly

All that matters is that ur having fun and if not just play another campaign

[glad void]

[radiant night]

still discouraged for the average player

[modern harness]

And then some player will quit because the game is "too hard"

[radiant night]

if i launched rainworld and started playing any of the dlc scugs first ik i would have given up

[olive pulsar]

Same goes with playing the game completely blind, I (PERSONALLY) think thats kinda silly and although Im trying it for watcher, Im not convinced Ill enjoy it

[radiant night]

you dont get to see the game if you just go straight to specific locations *

[olive pulsar]

You don’t get to see the game if you get stuck somewhere either

There is satisfaction in learning

[radiant night]

im not arguing with u anymore

[olive pulsar]

But I never found that particularly rewarding

[olive pulsar]

Oh

I didn’t think we were arguing

[glad void]

buys rain world
immediately looks up how to cheat

[modern harness]

Sounds like a fun way to play a game for the first time

[radiant night]

ya it can be applied to pretty much every game

[olive pulsar]

It is actually kinda fun because you save yourself a lot of frustration, I strongly recommend playing half blind, kinda selectively spoiling yourself. I also think the order for unlocking the msc scugs is weird but thats just me

[crisp remnant]

I mean, honestly I think that about fping saint instead of surv or monk

[olive pulsar]

This is all my opinion btw

[crisp remnant]

Seems genuinely interesting

[glad void]

fp inv

[radiant night]

sounds like u just setting up someone to fail

[olive pulsar]

Isn’t the whole point of RW failing ?

[sage stirrup]

yea

but like..

[modern harness]

No matter how you put it, the game expects you to know what youre doing before entering the harder campaigns like Hunter and the dlc ones. Completely skipping the learning phase of figuring out how enemies work, where food is, how to survive in each region, generic landmarks, etc isnt a good thing

[olive pulsar]

Regardless of whether you play Monk or Spearmaster first

[radiant night]

not like that...

[crisp remnant]

Enot is just ridiculous and unfair though lmao

[sage stirrup]

yeah this

[olive pulsar]

Theres no such thing as enot

Whats that

Not real

Misinformation

False

[sage stirrup]

i tried playing spear after i speedran survivor and didnt learn any of the map at all, needless to say i had no idea where i was going and gave up p quick

[crisp remnant]

I agree wholeheartedly. It just doesn't stop fping some other scug from being fun and interesting

[olive pulsar]

It would be an interesting experiment tho, whos to say a player wouldn’t figure out fundamental mechanics playing Saint, or at least the fundamental mechanics available to Saint

Itd just be hard

But honestly not something i would fully discourage

[radiant night]

as with every game (unless its super old and doesnt function without qol mods) you should play through it as intended first, cheat and change the game later

[sage stirrup]

man, imagine playing saint first, and then learning that you can throw spears when you get to other campaigns

[radiant night]

play sait than sm
how do i use this weird stick thing? why cant i put berry in my mouth?

[glad void]

spearmaster without the knowledge of throwing spears

oh snailed

[olive pulsar]

Imagine playing spear first and finding out slugcats actually have a mouth

[radiant night]

[glad void]

tenor banished

[sage stirrup]

sob

[radiant night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1315662587563868210/1315665457318985728/17590_BLL.gif

[sage stirrup]

wasnt the right gif anyways

[olive pulsar]

I mean to be fair you would probably know how to throw

[sage stirrup]

yeah but not how to use em

like at all

[olive pulsar]

You’d figure it out the same as if you played Surv first

[radiant night]

anyways uh
in first playthroughs dont suggest cheats or wtv

[glad void]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/291184728944410624/1275890823652966513/gugLaptop.gif

[olive pulsar]

Well yeah

[modern harness]

But with a lot more dying cuz every dlc campaign has hard spawns

[olive pulsar]

But in rw spoilers its a different story

[crisp remnant]

tbf surv and monk tell you how to throw and all the other controls. I don't think any other campaign does

[sage stirrup]

they dont

[olive pulsar]

Just button mash lol, who actually listens to the tutorial anyways

[sage stirrup]

people who just picked up the game???

[glad void]

if you press random buttons for all eternity you will eventually beat rain world

[radiant night]

uh
im pretty sure a lot of people value tutorials actually

ik i do

[olive pulsar]

No way

[sage stirrup]

ok now you're just being an asshole ima be real

[glad void]

can't believe people actually use the tutorial

[dark tiger]

bait used to be believable

[olive pulsar]

But tutorial or not they would likely figure out the controls on their own eventually

[glad void]

i couldn't figure it out so i just used dev tools to telpeort past it

[olive pulsar]

Im being silly guys sorry if thats not clear

I still stand by my opinions tho

[modern harness]

I would be so annoyed if a game didnt teach me the controls instead of just expecting me to know what they do

[dark tiger]

person who started with SM because that's the "chronological order" and quitting the game 🙏

[sage stirrup]

no ik, but its rude silly at this point

[olive pulsar]

Tutorials are for nerds who want to enjoy the game or something

[modern harness]

[olive pulsar]

Again, not my intention, apologies if I came off that way, its just how I am.

[sage stirrup]

ur good

[modern harness]

True

[radiant night]

watched starwars prequels first

[olive pulsar]

Well erm um SM is rhe best campaign so u should totally play it first

[glad void]

getting mixed messages here

[sage stirrup]

yeah no i realized that- its like a
squint
oki

[radiant night]

hunter close

[sage stirrup]

jea

[glad void]

there's a huntersquint emoji

[sage stirrup]

yeah but hunter close is better

[olive pulsar]

>>>

[sage stirrup]

this one also good

[radiant night]

[sage stirrup]

[crisp remnant]

Is my wow, I sure do agree, emote (unless used in fp threads)

[sage stirrup]

wait- WAIT NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO USE THE SILLY EMOTES WHILE IM DOCCUMENTING WATCHER IF THE SERVER IS DOWNNNNNNNNNNNNN

[radiant night]

add to a server

[torpid meteor]

I think the story would be more impactful if it was Spear -> Riv

[radiant night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1343375754557390948.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=lizrainbowmlem

[sage stirrup]

huh

[radiant night]

add them to ur own server

[sage stirrup]

can you download emotes..?

[radiant night]

yea

[sage stirrup]

guh

grant me this wisdom

[radiant night]

zzz i dont wanna give a tutorial

[crisp remnant]

Just right click and open link

[radiant night]

pretty much

[sage stirrup]

aight

[glad void]

wai tuntil server is not down

[sage stirrup]

no

[radiant night]

2 days

[torpid meteor]

I do

[modern harness]

Wanna make sure my recording clips stuff is ready for Watcher
I wanna document stuff like Cas has

[radiant night]

obs replay buffer is so nice

[sage stirrup]

im just gonna be recording the entire thing, but still have replay clips on

just in case

[crisp remnant]

Honestly I might do that as well

Record all of it, and make a pared down copy for viewing ease but keep the raws somewhere else

[modern harness]

True....

[sage stirrup]

alr i have aquired all the emotes i think i may need

also is watcher coming out 26th or 28th, im too lazy to look

[modern harness]

28

[sage stirrup]

k

ty

[modern harness]

Also why did you need emotes?

[sage stirrup]

so i can doccument my watcher playthrough with the silly server emotes because i love them sm

[modern harness]

[sage stirrup]

guh that reminds me i need

[tiny glacier]

Sadly, I won’t be able to get it until 2 days after the release

[grave token]

I have to wait a WHILE for Watcher

[glossy rose]

2 days before the watcher 1111!!!11!!

[torpid meteor]

!!!!!!

Watcher? I hardly know 'er!

[olive pulsar]

Part of me wants to get watcher on release and anothe r part of me wants to finish the mods I’m playing first

On one hand I don’t want to leave those modded regions unplayed for god knows how long

But I also don’t want to risk getting spoiled

[grave stag]

playing watcher on release is probably best idea

I myself will be there refreshing steam to get the release as soon as possible because well I want to play it spoiler freee

[modern harness]

Yea

I didnt have many assignments for school this week so Ill be free Friday to get it as soon as its released

[grave stag]

I am now just constantly dissapointed about watcher release date

[modern harness]

Which will porlly be the same time as when the trailer premiers

[grave stag]

why I somehow have gaslighted it to myself that it releases on thursday and not friday

[grave stag]

oh right there is trailer premiers too, when is that?

[crisp remnant]

Same time the game drops AFAIK

So 12:00 EST

[modern harness]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGVz0iJXT_g

47 hours

According to youtube lmao

Its more like 47 hours 58 minutes
Gotta love youtube automatic timer

[crisp remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/dawn-gif-23933434

[grave stag]

so close

I want it tomorrow tho like myself have gaslighted it to be released

[olive pulsar]

Honestly I know how evil this sounds but if it released next week it’d be perfect for me, I don’t even know if I’m free this weekend

[modern harness]

If only the resizing was correct

All the vanilla scugs are the same height

[tranquil mulch]

all of them are the same height

[modern harness]

Ah yea

Itd be awkward having a scug thats ever so slightly different in height but functionally the same lol

One of the few times Cas figures some sort of trivia out that isn't actually correct, sadge

[sage stirrup]

i cant play watcher on release
i need to lock in and get college stuff done

i also just need to stop playing rw rn soni can get it done

[modern harness]

Do your homework now!!!!

[sage stirrup]

its not really homework but yea..

also i cant work on it rn cause... im in school

[modern harness]

This would be funny if several things didnt contradict it or make it weird lmao

[sage stirrup]

guys guys shes theorizing

[modern harness]

Caught in the rot throes

Sadge but I wonder what shell think

[sage stirrup]

she' cooking??!?!?!?

[sage stirrup]

im actually curious what contradicts it or makes it weird, cause i dont remember any of the lore talking abt their ages (except surv and monk being pups in cutscene)

[dark tiger]

most of it is external dev sources (hunter is described as experienced, having learnt how to backspear from scavs, etc)

[sage stirrup]

oh yea

[dark tiger]

in-game, hunter has a lot of scars and bruises that would imply a longer lifespan to accumulate them

[modern harness]

• Hunter has scars, presumably from battle and hunting, while Survivor an Monk both dont have any despite being adults by the time we play as them
• Hunter is karmically imblanced, pushing their place in the ecosystem. How would a child do that
• Hunter learned to carry spears on their back like scavengers can, presuming theyve been in the wild for a long time

[sage stirrup]

fair nuff

ty for infos

ugh... now i want to draw baby hunter learning how to back spear from watching scavs

[tranquil mulch]

hunter has a grabby hand on the back ofc

[sage stirrup]

nah nah, r o t tentacle

[dark tiger]

[sage stirrup]

is primate a dev?

[dark tiger]

yes

that is James Primate

[sage stirrup]

ohh

im not taking that as canon

[tranquil mulch]

yeah it's a fairly obvious joke

[sage stirrup]

ye

[dark tiger]

yeah lol

still as verifiable as rot though

(you don't see either case)

[sage stirrup]

yeah i was just saying what i saw someone else interperet it as, theres no evidence

[tranquil mulch]

you do see the back in gameplay and some art, though the art is post-Ascension

[sage stirrup]

its cool tho

[tranquil mulch]

the sleep animation in gameplat shows off the back heavily

[dark tiger]

yeah i meant we see no external signs of rot

there's no cysts or anything

[sage stirrup]

yes we do

[modern harness]

Hunter hip........

[sage stirrup]

the sleep screen

[modern harness]

False

[tranquil mulch]

what?

[sage stirrup]

no?

[modern harness]

Youve been lead astray by the Hunter Hip X allegations

[tranquil mulch]

the sleep screen doesn't have the back visible at all, Hunter is viaibly lying on the side

[sage stirrup]

h u h

[tranquil mulch]

as seen by e.g. the foot, the tail position, the hands, the overall proportions, and the scar on the left hip also visible in the character selection

[sage stirrup]

yea i agree the back isnt visible in the sleep screen

[modern harness]

Is there a pinned message in #vanilla-lore disproving the rot cyst theory or no

[dark tiger]

not pinned but i can try to find it

i know there wass a more detailed breakdowns omewhere

[modern harness]

Yea
Preferably one that shows Hunter's sleep screen, maybe with little doodles showing his limb position cuz he sleeps so awkwardly lol

[dark tiger]

bvut even in the 2nd image, we see no outer cysts, despite whatever's inside Hunter seemingly leaking out

so it appears to be entirely internal

[tranquil mulch]

it's not really awkward, just laying on the side and curled up

[sage stirrup]

the only art showing hunters left side is the sleep screen and tze one after it ascended

[modern harness]

True

[modern harness]

Menu

[tranquil mulch]

the character selection shows far more than the hibernation screen of the left side

[sage stirrup]

i thought about it like 3 times and still got it wrong, damn

menu screen hunter also doesnt have any scars tho

[modern harness]

At this point I should have the RW scenes folder pinned on my folders sidebar

[dark tiger]

the scars would be harder to see from a distancee

scars have the ttendency to blend in a lot of the time

[sage stirrup]

.-.

HILD ON

I SEE AN X

[dark tiger]

also del stylistic choices

[tranquil mulch]

yeah that's the exact same one as on the hibernation screen

[sage stirrup]

100% an x there

yea

[tranquil mulch]

in the exact same position and all

[modern harness]

Yeah

Love how Hunter is red and then really pink

[sage stirrup]

pink huntrr my beloved

[tranquil mulch]

definitely lighting

the orange sunlight in the character selection and the darkness of the shelter

[modern harness]

Which Hunter are YOU??

[sage stirrup]

huntr

so does the x mean rot or no

[modern harness]

No

[sage stirrup]

dang

[modern harness]

Its a scar

[sage stirrup]

also ik why it looks so funky in the sleep screen

here, the 2 weird bumps between the tail, head, and leg

gotta be a foot

[dark tiger]

I barely listen to the overseers any more. I have concluded that the movements of animals on the premises absolutely and completely lack relevance to my endeavours.

With you, they have been very persistent ever since you entered my Farm Arrays. You were on an unusually deliberate path.

Now you are here.

The images showed you carrying something. You are not any longer.

Did you lose it along the way? Or did you give it to Looks to the Moon?

In the latter case, I hope it was of some help to her. Not that I can imagine what one of you could be able to do for one of us, but she needs all the help she can get.

...

You seem to have been in contact with an iterator before, so perhaps you are already aware.

You and I have something in common, little creature. We both have something... rotful rotting in us.

In my case, there is not much to be done. For you however, there might be a way. The old path.

Go to the west past the Farm Arrays, and then down into the earth where the land fissures, as deep as you can reach, where the ancients built their temples and danced their silly rituals.

I will give you something that might be of help.

I suggest you hurry.

You do not have much time. It is admirable what you choose to do with it.

Send my regards.

[sage stirrup]

hunter just sleeps weird

[modern harness]

Toes :3

They curl up real tight

[radiant night]

hunter have a big ahh head

[crisp remnant]

... Is no one gonna call that out?

[radiant night]

whar

rotful explanation

[crisp remnant]

very loreful and rotful

[modern harness]

Should I make a copypaste message to copy onto people that make Watcher forums in the wrong fp forums ? So the same thing doesnt have to get typed over and over for the inevitable people that make forums in the wrong place

For anyone who gets through Watcher and wants to help cover the forums

[radiant night]

Probably yes

[grave token]

I will, WHEN I ACTUALLY GET IT (TBD )

[grave stag]

how fast are you planning on going through watcher?

[modern harness]

I have nothing to do all weekend so theoretically Ill see a lot before the server reopens

[twin ridge]

i'm going to see how much i can get done over the weekend too, yea
my 2nd exam which i'll continue being very unwell for is Friday and watcher releases saturday morning here

going to do it with 0 karma caching, but using all the movement stuff

[modern harness]

Hello! All Watcher-related questions and documentation belong in #Watcher-First-Playthroughs ! Please remove all spoilers and move to the new forum.

Please spoiler the first message and title in the new forum, which can be done ||like this!|| ||Example.|| Other players can see these when viewing the channel to create their own forum and can get spoiled this way.
NOTE: Forum titles cannot be spoiled on all devices, so omit all spoilers from those.

_ _
Is this good?

[grave stag]

sounds good!

[modern harness]

[sage stirrup]

can we get this pinned lol, we're gonna need it

[modern harness]

Sure I can pin it

[modern harness]

Oh wait I should add smth

[sage stirrup]

guys i think cas may be angering the gods

[modern harness]

[grave token]

Wait a sec
Is All reputation including scavs? Or only lizards?

Crap how do you do that

[glad void]

all

(i have no idea

[grave token]

gr

[glad void]

are you trying to spoiler it or

[grave token]

No

[glad void]

what are you trying to do i think i probably know

this

[grave token]

Yes

[glad void]

`

[grave token]

Helplll

[glad void]

use that around your message

[grave token]

hi

[glad void]

:monksilly:

[grave token]

GUH

I DID IT LEARNING

[glad void]

very weird keyboard character that i never use

oh

[grave token]

Hey Igna did I do the thing right

(Talking about my message in #1354662711744528455 message)

[glad void]

🌫️

[glad void]

yes
(although i am not igna

i don’t think i am ag least

[grave token]

Ignaception

[modern harness]

lmao

Ye you did good

[glad void]

[modern harness]

The Ignas are coming

[grave token]

I'll call that a dub in my book

There's really only one reason I won't be a felper for a while (well... not an actual licensed felper) before I get to play Watcher at a TBD time

[glad void]

licensed

i am Felper Lite

[sinful sail]

fork lift license?

[modern harness]

Prepare for the new update: Felper Pro

[glad void]

felper premium

[grave token]

Igna may I be dubbed Honorary felper

[glad void]

helper lite

[sinful sail]

when does the mini version come out

[glad void]

Not helper !!

felper

[modern harness]

Yis

[grave token]

YIP

[modern harness]

Ngl youd be great as a felper whenever applications get looked at again

[grave token]

Fr??

[glad void]

i need to artificer to felper

and acquire the ability to hint

i have been improving marginally but not by much

[grave token]

(Probably because I'm in EVERY thread I can be in LMAO)

[glad void]

i can’t handle being in that many threads

i lose track

[grave token]

I can

[modern harness]

Thats oke lol

[grave token]

I'm to the point for MSC forums I'm in like... 20 at least

[modern harness]

I think Im one of the few active felpers that check the forums consistently lol

[grave token]

I'm only in the forums

[glad void]

it’s either you get me not knowin gwhat regions people have visited and just saying nothing or you get like one hint every few months

[grave token]

Forums are love
Forums are life
Only time I leave is for rwsc's (first one soon to be complete!!!)

[glad void]

i love movement

[modern harness]

I dont hang out in amy other part of the server lol
We build a nice community here with the new players

[glad void]

i sometimes materialize in misc chat and rw server challenges

[grave token]

I'm actually WAY more active here than EVERY OTHER OF THE 52 SERVERs I'M IN COMBINED

[glad void]

extremely rarely in art channels and rw spoklersy

spoklersy

52 servers

[grave token]

*Excluding this one

[glad void]

i am active in two

[grave token]

[glad void]

(one of them is friend group server so

[grave token]

(Fair enough

[glad void]

)

)

[grave token]

I'm keeping my title until I leave this server at which point I won't even exist here (or, yk, I become a licensed felper)

[glad void]

oh btw i have like 67k messages in that server

and it’s existed for like 6 months max

[grave token]

[modern harness]

[sinful sail]

[glad void]

random recent message go

[grave token]

I sent my horribly explained rw lore to my friend who barely got rw and I laughed so hard at their facial expression when they read it

[sinful sail]

use zero comprehension skills

[grave token]

(It has like a spoiler here or there but they don't know that, they were already spoiled anyway

[sinful sail]

soiler

[glad void]

server messages without contezt are always zeeljod

[grave token]

Igna made me Honorary Felper I feel happy to be nominated by a Felper

/silly

[modern harness]

[glad void]

felper lite

i use too much i need to add a variery

[modern harness]

I gotta share it around because someone also reccomended me for felper a while ago lol

[glad void]

[grave token]

No you don't

[glad void]

[grave token]

Pog good thing they did bc if not the amount of soilers that would be going around (that I've seen you delete) would be crazy

[modern harness]

Yee
Love the community protec the community

[glad void]

oh i forgot to mention this isn’t including my alt that’s intnhe server

[modern harness]

Im gonna make an Igna flabbergasted nest time I get an art spree

[glad void]

igna emojis are so zeeljod

[grave token]

I try to protec and got a few people to delete their message (or spoil it) and have non-op question askers delete stuff and make forum

[glad void]

72k now

[modern harness]

A great felper in the making

[glad void]

non-op question askers have been so frequent lately

[grave token]

I totally don't make people make bad decisions like jumping off a random edge into a pit that just so happens to be by the first shelter in the leg

[glad void]

i’ve probably seen 1-2 total before the past week or so

[radiant night]

how do i rain in rain world: downpour

[glad void]

go ti downpour region

[modern harness]

[glad void]

it’s one of the main regions in the game so you have to go there

[grave token]

I'm evil

[radiant night]

downpour is the most expansive region in downpour

[sinful sail]

wheres watcher?

[radiant night]

igna_evil

[modern harness]

Yea
It might be the early influx of people joining just before Watcher release

[radiant night]

[glad void]

[grave token]

All regions lead to Downpour, and the acronym in files is RM bc fuck Rivulet speedruns

[glad void]

new thread !!!

[sinful sail]

wait a minuter

yeah

[glad void]

and spiders in first message

let me make my nickname not watcher

[sinful sail]

scare

[modern harness]

Flock to them !! /silly

[glad void]

swarm the thread

[modern harness]

I gtg to bed now tho so
Gn Felpers
Watcher tomorrow

[sinful sail]

watch

[glad void]

gn

[grave token]

Gn Igna !!

[glad void]

can’t wait to finish inv while server is locked down

[modern harness]

[glad void]

for spider hints would “they seem to all flock to this area, what may be some reasons why?” to hint towards the light thing be decent

previously i’ve just been saying they have a weakness but ‘m not telling you what it is

[grave token]

Mmm maybe

[glad void]

i feel like it reveals too much

[sinful sail]

i didn't know spiders ran from light ngl

[glad void]

about orher areas

[sinful sail]

but yeah i think it might be a bit much

[grave token]

Heh I have a special icon just like Felpers and am not stuck with a silly scug display role

[glad void]

i’m still learning slowly

[sinful sail]

me too

[glad void]

give me like 8 years wnd maybe i’ll give my first good hint

[sinful sail]

very true

[grave token]

I'm learning and I very well could be a felper before I realize

[sinful sail]

i just feel like anything i say might be a spoiler

[glad void]

same

[radiant night]

do rwsc for more

[glad void]

i am way too paranoid about soileds

soilers

[sinful sail]

i was gonna ask if they were in drainage but they might be in shaded

[grave token]

At this point I've learned so much from Felpers to the point where I know what's considered a spoiler and what's not

[radiant night]

its shaded

[grave token]

Oh I am I am

[radiant night]

the spider

[sinful sail]

yeah from them saying darkness i figured

[glad void]

same except i just can’t learn how to make my own

i know like “you can always backtrack if things are too difficult here”

[radiant night]

they are in the bottom part of shaded with the monster kelp

or around it at least

[sinful sail]

ok yeah next to shoreline right?

[grave token]

Closer to UW

[radiant night]

going towards memory crypts

[sinful sail]

i need to play more again i forgot like 90% of the map

[glad void]

[grave token]

Omg I know the map like the back of my hand (except Pipeyard...)

[sinful sail]

huh i always thought shore was higher up

i see where they are now

[radiant night]

that filtration section in cc

idk

its scary

[crisp remnant]

Pipeyard shmipeyard.
Still never used it

[glad void]

badyard

[sinful sail]

TOOOOOOBS

[grave token]

Would this be an echo

[sinful sail]

yeah

pretty sure

what does she mean by fish though?

[grave token]

@glad void what do you think

[glad void]

definitely an echo

idk what else it would be

[radiant night]

only two guess is echo or flashbang

[glad void]

very very big vulture

[radiant night]

but a flashbang is not a skull

[glad void]

flashbang isn’t huge though

[radiant night]

it just makes everything blue

[sinful sail]

is it okay for me to ask them to describe the surroundings?

[grave token]

Should be

Yea

[sinful sail]

ok

[grave token]

That's fine

[sinful sail]

i have no idea where they are

[grave token]

BC I mean, what are they gonna do?

[grave token]

They appear to be in SC

[sinful sail]

i knew that but idk what room

im trying to get a general idea

[grave token]

Near memory crypts shelter and SC echo? Maybe?

[sinful sail]

yeah thats what im thinking but they said there was kelp and i think Coalescipedes so i don't know anymore

i thought that mabye it was in the same room

[grave token]

Kelp= near memory crypts
Colescipedes= all around SC

[sinful sail]

yeah

[radiant night]

where they are isn’t that important rn tbh

[sinful sail]

yeah

being help is hard

[radiant night]

just nudge them towards the answer to their question as gently as possible

[grave token]

I have a general idea of where they are

[radiant night]

sometimes I see someone struggle with a game mechanic like swimming or smth and help them out then, that’s a more fundamental thing everyone should know

[glossy rose]

holy shit tomorrow is the release

[sinful sail]

yeah

atleast for PC

its not fair 😦

1:00 P.M im pretty sure

[tranquil mulch]

it's a distinct community that gets used in reputation filtering of other communities (unless they're scavs)

[turbid bane]

Hi

Did anything happen in castrix thread while i was taking a break

[tranquil mulch]

What did you see in it before the break

[turbid bane]

Uhh

Im honestly not sure

I took a 2 day break

Btw is it allowed to talk about the random buffs mod in a thread?

[tranquil mulch]

No Modded Content applies; the mod's existence and basic overview is fine but any spoilers (e.g. any specific Buffs) fall under the rule

[turbid bane]

Its an image of one of the cards

But nothing else i guess

It doesnt say much

[tranquil mulch]

yeah that's a soiler

[turbid bane]

Alr

[tranquil mulch]

#modded-gameplay for modded content

[turbid bane]

Is the rest fine?

Oh nvm "name of the card" "it didnt do anything"

[grave stag]

buffs as in?

[tranquil mulch]

the cards that constitute the main content of the mod

[turbid bane]

Yeah

[grave stag]

yeah I have no idea what is bbeing talked here

[turbid bane]

Fair enough

[grave stag]

and now when watcher releases time to see how much all of my mods break ;-;

I need my push to meow, that's the necessity everything else working is just a plus

[turbid bane]

I cant use that mod because it disables m1

For no reason

[grave stag]

m1?

[turbid bane]

Mouse 1

Left mouse

Etc

[grave stag]

ah, that is small drawback

or well I have figured out how to make it work but not exactly what made it to work

I have the bind anything or whatever it was called so there is also that

[turbid bane]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1351541291871109181/1354303711182192732/cyansleep0020-0214-ezgif.com-optimize.gif

[meager raven]

Cute

[sage stirrup]

uh this

[sage stirrup]

my gif being used by other ppl

[turbid bane]

Its amazing ofc!!

[sage stirrup]

[turbid bane]

Gladiator...

[sage stirrup]

SHE FOUND IT LMAO

BATSPEAR LINKING

[west mango]

I predicted it!

[sage stirrup]

yeee thats what i was referencing lol

[grave token]

SHE DID IT

[modern harness]

Why are we hiding the explanation to a glitch..?

[silver musk]

First playthrough treatment

[sage stirrup]

yea that

[tranquil mulch]

i can bluntly hit her with full technical terminology of the AbstractObjectStick not being cleared in Spear.TryImpaleSmallCreature(), leading to a pair of ImpaledOnSpearStick existing with the same Batfly as B but different Spears as A

[modern harness]

lmao

But like still, its a glitch, not exactly something thats intended or expected to be found
Why gatekeep a glitch explanation its a glitch

[gray musk]

Please don't. She'd probably understand it and figure out some new game breaking glitch.

[crisp remnant]

Because if she wants to mess around with it and try to figure out what is happening and how, explaining it would take that away. If it was just like, a game breaking bug that you need to be told to avoid, tehn whatever, but batspears can be really funny if you pull them off

[modern harness]

Okay..

[meager raven]

It's a "feature"

[crisp remnant]

It's an experience to be had. I don't personally believe the opportunity should be taken away just because it's a glitch
But that's just my 2 cents

[meager raven]

I don't think it's ground-breaking so I would say bear with it

[grizzled prism]

Batspear is my favourite feature wdym 🥹 /silly

[grizzled prism]

Meant it as a reply to this guh

[radiant night]

#1351520131745841192 message

[sage stirrup]

are echos a spoiler

idk if i ping felpers for this or not

usually ppl are just here T-T

[radiant night]

anything outside of outskirts is always a spoiler
some things within outskirts are also spoiler tho too

[sage stirrup]

aight

[sage stirrup]

erm yes it is, you can bring a leviathan to pebbies :D

[sinful sail]

I use bat-spearing to put king vultures in shelters and scav homes

[grave token]

should be dealt with, I had em fix it I believe

[grave token]

I'm sorry but what is a GOLD LIZARD

[glad void]

what's the closest one to gold

yelow

[grave token]

I'm colorblind don't ask me💔

[torpid meteor]

I think they might be too, given the sand lizards

[glad void]

salamanders can sometimes be orange ish

i tihnk

[radiant night]

sand lizard moment

[gray musk]

iirc karma is spoilers?

[crude oxide]

Why?

I guess karma 6-10 are spoilers but not really 1-5

[gray musk]

#1351541291871109181 message
Doesn't seem like a spoiler for Cas, but not sure...

[tulip summit]

hm, I think the word "karma" itself might be considered as spoiler.
When you first see the simbols, it's not that likely that you guess their meaning

[radiant night]

the word yes if they didn’t already know it

[atomic locust]

passages use the word karma.... not sure if anything else does in direct reference to the mechanic

there is no significant reveal around it, anyways

but avoiding official terms is good

[tranquil mulch]

there's nothing else besides passage UI that correlates the word "Karma" to that counter in the script

[silver musk]

erm dead thread

watcher coordination would belong to a separate thread

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1356256638541103114 beware of watcher soilers 👀

[muted jacinth]

Can y'all speak here now?

Should be unlocked

[gray musk]

Yep. works

[twin ridge]

Non watcher thread is returned

[modern harness]

Boo

[grave token]

[tiny glacier]

Imagine it rolls Monk

[sage stirrup]

MOIK

[crisp remnant]

Uhm, where is the vanilla fp thread group? I can only find msc and watcher under first playthroughs

[gray musk]

no. These are also being kept appart only temporarily iirc.

[crisp remnant]

Sorry, what? I'm not talking about msc and watcher being combined

There's no place for vanilla fps under first playthroughs

[grizzled prism]

If you mean a vanilla first playthrough forum its there above msc in the category

[crisp remnant]

Okay well, I don't see it. Strange

Thanks anyway

[grizzled prism]

Do you have it disabled in channels and roles maybe?

It did that once to me long time ago
Random chats were turned off for some reason

[crisp remnant]

Uh, yes I did

Thanks

I guess discord decided to turn it off????

[grave token]

Not touching that for a few months due to console releasing later

[silver musk]

may your luck assist you in avoiding all these soilers till that happens

[grave token]

I'm gonna need my bumper Morse code luck to stay away from soilers

[grave token]

Cas does know about starving apparently

@pine locust read the pins here to see our guidelines for helping

[pine locust]

thank you!!

[gray musk]

Did Cas somehow double spawn the region? (2 kelps)

[grave token]

Wait

I think so

[pine locust]

That’s crazy

[crude oxide]

Purposed organism

[modern harness]

23848 youre gonna have a field day catching up with The Chart™️ after all this

[grave token]

Burger

[sage stirrup]

this is bro's like... third try??

[grave token]

@narrow finch we have guidelines n stuff here!
Enjoy

[narrow finch]

thank

[sage stirrup]

ITS ACTUALLY HIS THIRD TRY WTF- BRO WENT FROM MONK, SKIPPED SURVIVOR, AND THEN COMPLETED HUNTER IN 3 ATTEMPTS

[grave token]

[sage stirrup]

im baffled

[narrow finch]

[gray musk]

Cas doing Spearmaster: https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1356353210960580689

[modern harness]

The Watcher forums are being hella active rn lmao
Would lvoe to Watch Cas's playthrough more but Im one of few felpers that can watch the Watcher forums rn lol

[sage stirrup]

h-how can you tell that

HOW DID SHE KNOW

[modern harness]

By watching scug properties?

Hunter is visibly faster than Surv, Spear would have some way to tell theyre lighter, and they are

[crude oxide]

Nooooo not Spearmaster

[modern harness]

Spearmaster has tons of lore so shell prolly be on it for a while lol

[sage stirrup]

not the faster part, the lighter specifically

how do you tell they're lighter

[modern harness]

Theyre in the air longer?

After juping

[crude oxide]

Are they?

[sage stirrup]

yeah

sm is lighter

[latent fractal]

I'm so excited for Cas
New regions, new porls!
and spearmaster first!? With all the timeline changes!?

[sage stirrup]

is this too much guiding?

[latent fractal]

Hope not, I wasnt trying to allude to anything

[sage stirrup]

you also said to stab the flower when they couldnt eat it

[latent fractal]

Yeah my b
That one was impulsive

[crude oxide]

Idk if i wanna follow a Spearmaster thread

[sage stirrup]

you dont have to

[crude oxide]

I'm not saying i do

[sage stirrup]

im tryna say, if you dont want to, then dont, but theres no way to say that where i dont sound like a jerk

[latent fractal]

Did Cas turn on passages without Survivor?

[modern harness]

Its on by default iirc

[latent fractal]

Cringe?

[modern harness]

Fooled by shitty collision

[latent fractal]

[sage stirrup]

i feel like this is smthn we shouldnt tell her

let her figure out they're seperate things

[radiant night]

it’s not a big deal

[pine locust]

I mean it ain’t that hard to tell

[sage stirrup]

that its physically lighter?

[pine locust]

Yah

[sage stirrup]

explain

[pine locust]

Spear master right?

[sage stirrup]

yes

[crisp remnant]

Yeah, Spearmaster feels quite a bit lighter when you play them IMO

[sage stirrup]

how does it 'feel lighter' tho

[pine locust]

I mean they can jump farther and slightly higher, the velocity of when you turn while running makes you slide a bit too

[sage stirrup]

ah ok

icic

[pine locust]

It just kinda does tbh tho idk how to describe it

[sage stirrup]

its been a minute since i played SM

i also didnt play hunter b4 i played sm

[radiant night]

when you go from probably 2k cycles on surv/hunter it is a lot more noticible i bet

[sage stirrup]

yeah...

[tiny glacier]

Imagine CAs rolls them in chronological order

[radiant night]

already failed 💔

unless she is replaying too

[sage stirrup]

i mean she's starting with spear, which is first

i dont think we're counting surv and hunter

[radiant night]

i know the order

[sage stirrup]

then wdym failed?

im confuse

[radiant night]

because they played surv and hunter already

[sage stirrup]

ohh

[radiant night]

[sage stirrup]

i think we're just counting the ones she's rolling

[tiny glacier]

next is arti

then gourm

then monk

then riv

and then saint will be the last unlocked

[sage stirrup]

arent we avoiding giving the names of things if they dont alr know

[gray musk]

agh. Missed that. Cas probably noticed, but if not, it's deleted now.

[sage stirrup]

this makes me wonder if you can pin a creature on a ceiling and wall at the same time... like, have it dangling off a wall, then pin the rest of it to the ceiling when its struglin or smthn

sounds like a fun, possible RWSC

[crude oxide]

Sounds like Ornaments which isn't really fun

[sage stirrup]

whats ornaments? is that the one where you pin like 20 different things in a cycle

[tender bloom]

Sprinkles' sniffing services

Ornaments, difficulty - 6.48

Description

Pin 12 unique, live creatures against any surface in a single cycle.

Milestones

Enlightened Strategist, Fierce Combatant

Allowed slugcats

All Vanilla slugcats

PC Verification

Video of full cycle until the twelfth creature is pinned.

Console Verification

Same as PC

Notes

Creatures don't need to be left pinned. Youth, mature and overgrown centipedes are consdiered one creature. Batflies don't count!

Remix

No Random Cycle Duration

Requested by podstakannik8133 (988680873392087070)

[sage stirrup]

ye but in this case its only one creature, and its pinning it to 2 surfaces

[radiant night]

pinning a creature to a surface challenge except the real challenge is finding 12 creatures

[sage stirrup]

ye

[latent fractal]

CAS FOUND A BROADCAST

[sage stirrup]

YEAAAAAA

[latent fractal]

My favorite part of Spear!!!!!!!!!!

[modern harness]

Not really
She hasnt figured out the white symbols on the sleep screen and shes about to visit Pebs to skip half the unlockable lore broadcasts

[latent fractal]

😭

God dammit Cas

This is what sucks about replaying the game
You always immediately go for Pebbs

[tranquil mulch]

praise the devs for the Collection override to allow pre-FP broadcasts to still be seen

[modern harness]

Tru but idk if Cas has found the Collection screen yet lol

[latent fractal]

[latent fractal]

Ooooohhh

[sage stirrup]

does cas know sm doesnt have a mouth? she knows it cant store things or eat normally, but still

[latent fractal]

Idk

Oof just realized Spear doesn't start with mark

[sage stirrup]

soilers?

cas asked what she should do with the pearl

[latent fractal]

Soilery karma naming?

This is a problem.

[grave token]

#1356641894309953596 message
Should I tell them to spoil their image? It's in OS but Worm Grass last I heard was a spoiler

[radiant night]

Yes

[radiant night]

things in OS are still spoilers from what I know

Aside from what is in the “tutorial” area I think

[grave token]

Got it

[latent fractal]

Tbh I don't like this guy, feels like he's saying a bit too much.

[grave token]

Same

[latent fractal]

But I'm too nonconfrontational to say smth

[grave token]

Also same

[grave stag]

should I just ping them here? :D

[grave token]

Preferably

[grave stag]

will ping if they say something not called for there

[modern harness]

Theyre saying a lot in the Watcher channels too but something about my mood today doesnt wanna bother

[latent fractal]

I'm too sleep deprived to be antagonistic but I also feel protective of Cas

[grave stag]

actually my mind does not like idea of pinging now, how does this copypaste sound when there is next time?

don't give out information that the op of the thread has not specifically asked for, and even if they ask you should first give a hint rather than instantly telling yes or no answers. especially with castrix giving any information to them that they don't already know about is something you should not do. Pinged you to this thread as this is the coordination thread if you wish to spectate firstplaythrough threads you should be here

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I think that works

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Cas is a specimen that must be contained within her threads and not be fed spoilers

[latent fractal]

Exactly

SCP-3119 must remain contained

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Tbh I feel protective too, Cas's playthroughs are special, and deserve to stay that way

Ok
Too much

[grave token]

(Along with every other thread, they're all special to me)

[grave stag]

yeah cas playthroughs are special

[latent fractal]

They're like the shiny of Rain World playthroughs, one that is completely unsoiled

Like all of us with our Watcher playthroughs atm

[grave token]

So like,.. when someone tries to spoil smth in one of Cas's threads I feel protective it's just fun watching her figure things out

[grave token]

I can't play watcher (TBD for console )

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sends you all my Watcher pics

[crude oxide]

We should've told misinformation today since it's april fools

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Ture...

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Watcher starts at Karma 10

[crude oxide]

I said misinformation

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Wait wha

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W H A T

[late copper]

Of what nature is this information

[latent fractal]

If that's genuinely a soiler I'm sorry but I swear it wasn't true in my experience

[modern harness]

Its too eaely to start joking about Watcher spoilers

[latent fractal]

But April fools

[late copper]

I've seen so many watcher spoilers lately

[modern harness]

Its day 5

[late copper]

mostly names and images of regions

[crude oxide]

I've posted plenty of spoilers
In my thread

[latent fractal]

I've been soiled on a single creature that's it

And it was from the freaking discord GIF search of all things

So be careful when looking up rain world Watcher gifs

Because ppl wasted no time making more

[grave stag]

yeah true. I still have no idea about watcher enough

I really should do some more watching :D

[radiant night]

You should just confront them here rather than gossiping about them
just tell them to check out the pins here if they plan on helping out