#Old FP Guide Coordination [Archived]

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latent fractal
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Ohhhhh

crisp remnant
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I... Didn't know that was a thing

grave stag
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me staring 5+ death markers in same spot in same room in underhang

latent fractal
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All my homies hate Underhang
Literally struggle there every single time

grave token
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I mean

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Underhang actually isn't that bad
Just gotta be somewhat decent with grapple worms

crisp remnant
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I like underhang

latent fractal
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They're too unreliable slugangry

meager raven
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They can be hard to control

grave stag
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I just don't use grapple worms if I come from the leg to the underhand

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latent fractal
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Between the DLLs, finicky worms, and hellish parkour
I tend to stay far away

grave stag
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grave stag
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or well I get there by CC

crisp remnant
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The only time (outside of my initial run) that I got frustrated with UW is as Riv. The movespeed makes precise parkour so much harder monkdesperation

grave token
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Worms aren't even that bad to control/use
Idk why y'all are complaining

latent fractal
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grave stag
latent fractal
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BOY WAS THAT A MISTAKE

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🫠

latent fractal
crisp remnant
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But I knew roughly what to expect

latent fractal
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I didn't

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It was

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A little horrific

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I felt really bad for Peebles

crisp remnant
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That's nice of you. I didn't. He's an ass

latent fractal
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Well, I'd react the same way he would, in hindsight.

modern harness
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Frankly hes a lot nicer than you give him credit for

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Joar puts it really well

crisp remnant
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I'm aware it's biased. I just don't like him

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He's chill if you're not annoying

latent fractal
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If I was working on a life changing project, trying to answer the one problem I were created to solve, and got interrupted by my big sister, which gives me stage 5 cancer, I'd be furious and shut everyone out as well

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:p

crisp remnant
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From his perspective it makes perfect sense. From outside he's murdering his sister saintblep But uh. Guiding thread isn't the place for debate on this topic

latent fractal
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True

crisp remnant
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Soiler?

modern harness
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Dont allude to downpour spoilers please

crude oxide
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not really but it hints at a dlc character

crisp remnant
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Well, Cas saw it, so harm is done

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Either way

olive pulsar
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I feel like the connection is pretty easy to make considering we have server emojis with SM in them

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Additionally I don’t really think there’ll be any harm in getting spoiled for something you get told within 30 seconds of starting the campaign anyways spearcool

crisp remnant
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There is definitely a certain joy in learning it for the first time as you start the campaign

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Any and all expectations can be soilers

olive pulsar
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I never had the blind RW experience so I wouldn’t know lol

crisp remnant
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Besides, the point isn't to judge what is and isn't a soiler. Just to keep information leaks of any kind to a minimum

modern harness
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Cas likes learning things for herself. Getting spoile don something regarding a DLC character while she's still doing vanilla stuff isnt fun

olive pulsar
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But that’s just me

crisp remnant
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Yeah, I tend to be very sensitive about spoilers! Just a diff of opinion saintunyoy

latent fractal
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My b

modern harness
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Im also very picky on sppilers lol esp for this game

grave token
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Same

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That's why I'm in all the threads I can find

crisp remnant
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Makes you a good felper I imagine

latent fractal
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I'd prefer to have ppl go in blind
But I have so much love for this game and the lore it just kinda spills out

crisp remnant
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I get that saintyap

grave token
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I get thatsaintpensive

grave stag
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Btw does CAS know about backspear yet?

olive pulsar
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I would make a great felper aside from the fact that I don’t think the game is best played completely blind hunterbarrage

meager raven
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yes

crude oxide
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she was carrying one

meager raven
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They already know how to switch it

crude oxide
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that campaign makes no sense

grave token
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crude oxide
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ik

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it makes no sense

olive pulsar
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Eugh

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Best mechanics worst campaign

grave token
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Arti campaign BUILT my hate for scavs (I still love Arti's campaign thoslugheart )

olive pulsar
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Just like gourmfat is best campaign worst mechanics

dark tiger
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Scavs are fun to fight

crisp remnant
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I'm never playing arti unless I let them have normal rep huntersip

olive pulsar
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olive pulsar
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I love those guys

dark tiger
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Blowing shit up with grenades blows my brain up with dopamine

olive pulsar
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Can’t bring myself to harm them

crude oxide
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you cannot say gourmand has the worst mechanics if you ignore crafting

dark tiger
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Scavs are fun to watch, befriend and fight

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They're the best

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crisp remnant
dark tiger
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Unintuitive*

olive pulsar
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I accidentally blew up a toll trying to kill a noot once

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I only kill scavs that I know would kill me otherwise

dark tiger
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You either have the memorized a few core recipes which kills variety or look up a guide which is annoying

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modern harness
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"We have this super cool powerful scug"
"Lets make them have permanent constant fueds with the worst creatures to fight fairly"

olive pulsar
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I learnt my lesson after one cycling the wall as SM and then getting killed by a scav atop the wall

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Still feel bad when I kill them

dark tiger
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Scavs are a suitable match for any player after a certain point

crude oxide
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crisp remnant
dark tiger
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Learning how to turn to the tides is pretty epic

olive pulsar
dark tiger
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It's a shame that the arti storyline is mid but it's how it is sometimes

crude oxide
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gourmand and saint are the kind of slugcats the dlc needed. the decision to focus on so many campaigns was a big mistake imo which lead to two awful campaigns and an alright one

dark tiger
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Mfw More SlugCats adds More SlugCats

crisp remnant
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What's the other awful one hunterbaffled

crude oxide
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spearmaster

meager raven
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Yeah I agree that it's too sparse for lore

grave token
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I personally disliked Saint and Gourm imo they're the worst campaigns

dark tiger
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Saint is peak until Rubicon
And even the ending of Rubicon is pretty awesome

crisp remnant
olive pulsar
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Gourm and Arti were the worst for me

Riv was easier than Monk for me but enjoyable

Spear and Saint were absolutely peak

grave token
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Personally the power scaling on Saint is too much

olive pulsar
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Although endgame Saint is crazy

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I don’t even think I used the ascension ability that much

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Didn’t even need to until HR

crude oxide
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i don't like having only one inventory slot for the most of the campaign. this is really, really bad

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hunter has 4!

modern harness
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Every campaign has its horrendous flaws :p

crisp remnant
dark tiger
grave token
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The only campaigns I didn't really like were Saint, and Gourm

modern harness
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Well true but I was mostly talking about the dlc scugs

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lol

grave token
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Fair

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Saint was just too much too fast

olive pulsar
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crisp remnant
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The only flawed vanilla scug IMO is Monk. Like, it only exists as an easy option

olive pulsar
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Then I dropped it TWICE while at the top trying to get the ending

crude oxide
olive pulsar
crude oxide
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why do people dislike gourmand?

olive pulsar
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Too slow and frustrating imo

crisp remnant
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Unwieldy

olive pulsar
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The tiredness mechanic sucks

crude oxide
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he's not slow

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unless you climb poles

tranquil mulch
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infinite rolls is good mobility

crisp remnant
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olive pulsar
modern harness
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Yea the vanilla scugs are pretty good
Monk is one thats odd because you physically arent allowed to get lore even though it has basically the same difficulty as Surv, just in different areas

crude oxide
crisp remnant
olive pulsar
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Maybe something to do with Moons cloak

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Something relatively easy

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That isn’t the exact same as Surv

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Something unique basically

grave token
crude oxide
tranquil mulch
modern harness
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DP readds colored pearls to Monk and gives players an optional things to do and thats basically it until Gourd is completed

tranquil mulch
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olive pulsar
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Surv can do all those things

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olive pulsar
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Giving players that played it first no real reason to play Monk

crisp remnant
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Monk pearls are a thing I agree with tbh. Maybe I'm an elitist but I think only letting players have the "deep lore" if they play the intended way is fine

tranquil mulch
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are you implying that Monk is a glitch

crisp remnant
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No?

olive pulsar
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Arguably harder in a few senses

modern harness
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Monk has the same difficulty as Survivor, just in different areas imo
Punishing players because they want something other than Survivor isnt a good move imo

crisp remnant
# crisp remnant No?

But the initial intent is that pearls are only accesible to surv and hunter, which makes them the intended way to get lore

grave token
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I mean, Monk is SUBSTANTIALLY easier (imo), spawning a karma flower on death

crisp remnant
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I don't think of it as a punishment?

modern harness
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Monk can still read white pearls
Those sometimes have good lore on them

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People struggle a lot on playing Survivor alone, why must Monk be the one that barrs you from most of the lore if its just Survivor but Difficult in Other Areas

olive pulsar
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As I said, in my experience I found Rivulet (and maybe even Saint) easier than Monk, so it did feel kinda unfair that I got more lore as the ones that required less effort to beat

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Monk was my first campaign of course, but Survivor is a lot of people’s first

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And they get lore

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olive pulsar
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Because on the selection screen it’s made out to be easier monksilly

crude oxide
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does castrix know she has limited cycles?

olive pulsar
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ā€˜Your journey will be comparatively more peaceful’ or something like that is what it says

grave token
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No coue

modern harness
crisp remnant
modern harness
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I mean, most people play Survivor first because it shows up first and Monk being described as the "easy mode" decides what players pick

olive pulsar
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There is no dishonour in playing Monk friends, it truly is a path of the Martyr monksilly

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Considering how weak and pathetic Monk is

latent fractal
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They baby

modern harness
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I wonder how far Cas will get before this attempt ends

olive pulsar
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Has she gotten any echoes?

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If not then probably not too far, even if she does get to moon

modern harness
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She saw the priming of the FA one

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Still stuck at the OS gate cuz of the damn toll

crisp remnant
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I don't think she knows how to get echoes so it'll probably be a bit until she stumbles into one

olive pulsar
modern harness
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Uhh
Idk but the OS side of the gate has msc pearls

modern harness
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she just doesnt fully understand the requirements to see them

crisp remnant
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That was my point? She doesn't know how to get echoes in hunter

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Sorry if unclear

modern harness
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The only difference for Hunter echoes is they dont need priming :p

olive pulsar
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Wait

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They don’t ?

modern harness
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No

olive pulsar
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What I didn’t know that lmao

crisp remnant
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What? Don't you need to see the flash, sleep and come back?

modern harness
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Hunter has 20 cycles, you could waste up to 4 cycles priming echoes if it was still required

olive pulsar
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I just guardian skipped after moon

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Planned out my whole run

modern harness
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You can still see the flash but if you have the required karma they just show up

crisp remnant
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Huh

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Well

grave token
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Meant to send the message belowhunterkek

modern harness
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Doesnt look like Cas is going to visit Pebs

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Shes going straight for Moon

latent fractal
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This could be a short thread

crisp remnant
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The pipe that makes you old monksilly

crude oxide
latent fractal
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Hope so

crisp remnant
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I'm predicting one fail, one fail after fixing Moon, one fail after seeing pebsi. idk if she'll ascend

grave stag
modern harness
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Shell def keep trying until she beats the campaign I think
She wouldnt want to leave it unfinished

grave stag
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true true

latent fractal
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How are you even supposed to conventially fight a red lizard

grave stag
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rock, toilet spear, spear

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hope you win

latent fractal
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I thought rocks didn't flip reds

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grave stag
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you fight reds with another red!

crisp remnant
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Or mouthspear but that's risky as hell with 100% lethality

quick elk
latent fractal
modern harness
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I like to tell players that no one expects them to beat Hunter on their first try after they get the failed ending
Should we do the same for Cas

crisp remnant
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It doesn't help that red's hitboxes are tiny in comparison to their total length. I've missed so many spears to phazing through their tail

crisp remnant
latent fractal
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I have yet to kill a red in any playthrough

meager raven
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Beating hunter on first try is very difficult. Probably not worth the pressure

strong hemlock
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I think I killed one by accident in arti

grave token
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Unless we count Saint ascension ability but that doesn't give kill credit

latent fractal
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I also don't think I have killed a DDL either
At least not saved

tranquil mulch
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crude oxide
quick elk
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Did Cas figure out the Hunter cycles yet

crude oxide
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yes

meager raven
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yes

crisp remnant
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She knows they're going down, not what they mean just yet

meager raven
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But doesn't know why it's counting down

latent fractal
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Hunter counting down the days until he starts breaking it down now yall

meager raven
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Until they find out...

crisp remnant
latent fractal
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Confirmed; having stage 5 turbo cancer will make you sing crazy frog

tranquil mulch
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the 10 Centipede Room monkdevious

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i want to answer this

latent fractal
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The thousand-apede

tranquil mulch
latent fractal
tranquil mulch
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though e.g. solarised light would definitely be better if it was an option

latent fractal
tranquil mulch
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3P clients have been too unstable in my past experience, with having to reinstall every few weeks, and I'm not buying nitro hunterknowing

grave token
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What's wrong with dark moderivboowomp

tranquil mulch
crisp remnant
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It's uhhh mixed on if it's good or not

grave token
tranquil mulch
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(obviously in my personal experience and I'm not claiming this is true for everyone saintblep)

crisp remnant
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There are studies as to how helpful dark mode actually is, but I'm not caught up

grave token
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I'm just confused how it's harsher on people's eyesrivflabbergasted

crisp remnant
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It depends on your fleshy goop balls (eyes)

latent fractal
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Mine are not in good shape

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Blurry
Astigmatism

grave token
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Maybe my colorblind goop balls are goodsaintsmirk

latent fractal
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I hate walking at night now

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:(

grave token
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I have a very minor Astigmatism, lights are just insanely bright and flashy but not too badly

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Not the place to discuss this thomonksilly
(Come to my thread if you do)

latent fractal
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Because of all the screen time mine are at the point where lights will stretch across my entire vision vertically

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Unless I open my eyes wide

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But then everything is more blurry I think

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So I'm going deaf and blind
That's nice 🫠

tranquil mulch
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ah yeah I'm wearing glasses 24/7 due to hereditary astigmatism saintblep

latent fractal
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I have mild hearing loss from birth
Which is degenerative because I don't wear my hearing aids (uncomfortable)

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Which makes communication with people harder than it would be

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Which is why I'm so drawn to online

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Don't need ears to read text

crisp remnant
modern harness
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My ears are fine to me but having to hear other people talk around me is difficult, esp in loud places I am not gonna understand a word youre saying

crisp remnant
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I can definitely understand that. My brain is too slow to comprehend people's voices when it's loud or there are too many people talking

latent fractal
modern harness
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I just nod and say "okay" and pretend I heard people cuz I dont wanna say "what" a thousand times just to hear something coherrant ome out of someones mouth

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Its even worse through phone calls

latent fractal
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Yeah same

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If I'm on a discord call I have to have your volume maxed

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Otherwise I'm not gonna hear anything

tranquil mulch
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i'll just do it hunterknowing

grave token
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Anywaysss

modern harness
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Random trivia, GO!

latent fractal
# modern harness Random trivia, GO!

In Terraria, it took me 27 attempts to get the Seedler from Plantera on Master mode. With a 2/7 drop chance, the percentage chance of having luck that bad is 0.00000000000020425035%.

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tranquil mulch
latent fractal
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If the number is wrong it isn't my fault

tranquil mulch
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(5/7)^27Ā =Ā 0.0001133817188873, a more reasonable 0.01% hunterknowing

tranquil mulch
latent fractal
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This is too smart for me

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All I know is I had to kill big plant far too many times

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And I still can't beat moon lord

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Anyways

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I just realized this is a thread, not an actual channel

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Wyf

tranquil mulch
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the fact that Cas has seen the mark puts a quite high lower bound on the amount of cycles that have passed

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with afaik no Echo

latent fractal
modern harness
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Last we checked she was at cycle 9

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First attempt might come o an end soon

tranquil mulch
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ah nvm my memory put it as higher hunterkek

modern harness
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A good thing about Hunter runs is theyre pretty quick to get over with

tranquil mulch
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markBaseAlpha = Mathf.Pow(Mathf.InverseLerp(4f, 14f, player.abstractCreature.world.game.GetStorySession.saveState.cycleNumber), 3.5f);

tranquil mulch
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9th cycle, 10th cycle, or what the game calls cycle 9

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lol

modern harness
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Uhh what the game calls cycle 9 ?

meager raven
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0 based jumpscare

modern harness
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Me when uhhh uhh cycle -1 monksilly

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If Cas even gets there

grave token
latent fractal
tranquil mulch
modern harness
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Wonder why shes in filtration

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SHe cant ascend monksilly monksilly

crisp remnant
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She's survived a few since 9 so she's probably at 6 or 7 cycles left

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modern harness
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Ik

meager raven
modern harness
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Im curious what shes doin tho

latent fractal
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She's either trying to ascend or just wandering

crisp remnant
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Does she know sub connects to shoreline? Or am I confusing that with a dlc thing

grave token
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Maybe bc the dot of smort from last time granted the X karma (from Pebbs) and thinks the same will happen?

grave token
meager raven
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Let's see where they're going

latent fractal
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There's also pipeyard which connects a lot of vanilla regions together
And it's basically a glorified connection

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I hate pipeyard

meager raven
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centiyard

tranquil mulch
crisp remnant
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VS is annoying

tranquil mulch
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oh also there's UW-SL even if it's useless gameplay-wise

modern harness
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Most useless connection Ive ever seen in my life

crisp remnant
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But anyway, idr if Cas knows about the SB -> SL but if so that could be where she's headed

modern harness
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Whole 4 rooms of nothing

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Tru

late copper
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Neat

meager raven
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The cancer

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it's begun

crisp remnant
sage stirrup
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guh i found it

crisp remnant
grave token
late copper
tranquil mulch
latent fractal
sage stirrup
grave token
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Cas already at cycle 0rivflabbergasted

sage stirrup
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guh

tranquil mulch
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not necessarily Rot in vanilla
(and imo there are a few implications of a more Karmic nature)

modern harness
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Shes reached Cycle 0 It seems monkcheese

crisp remnant
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She ate through cycles much faster then I thought lol

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Let's see how it ends

modern harness
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I can grab the text about the first ttempt thing if we wanna send it when she dies?

latent fractal
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CALLED IT

sage stirrup
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ugh, now i wanna actually finish a hunter run >:(

grave token
latent fractal
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The tomato returns

grave token
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Too much?

grave stag
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actually not sure

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could be could be not

dark tiger
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Stop mentioning other campaigns lolol

grave stag
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@scarlet holly just pinging you into this coordination thread read the pins, also you should refrain from mentioning other campaigns in threads

radiant night
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They are in vanilla anyway

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Arti isn’t on their radar yet

dark tiger
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I do think there's a lot of yapping in that thread but maybe that's just normal in her case

grave token
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It is very normal

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Like look at the thread before ithunterkek

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I'd bet 10K of the 19K is just random yap

dark tiger
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I understand the survivor thread being a lot since she's been in that campaign for a long time

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But hunter's a lot more fresh

radiant night
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cas invites conversation as far as I can tell

grave stag
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cas's threads are just fp generals at this point as most of people are there from here :D

grave token
radiant night
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you’re playing saint I can’t look in there artirabid

grave token
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I'm playing Inv actually

radiant night
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either way

grave stag
grave token
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I've beaten every campaign, but from time to time bring up past things

radiant night
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I just remember it a scoog I haven’t played

grave stag
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I myself like it because cas's reactions to stuff is just so awesome

grave token
grave stag
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it's my feel good novel :D

grave token
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Real

radiant night
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should have completed monk then went straight to inv

grave token
radiant night
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I wonder if anyone played inv as their first campaign

grave stag
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why complete anything, why not go straight to the inv?

radiant night
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I’ll tell my friends to

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They will never launch rw again

radiant night
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When I tried inv for a hot second I couldn’t get out of mc

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I’ll come back later hunterwtf

grave stag
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I think even then I would have platyed rw

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lot more prone to spoilers/esxternal guides tho

radiant night
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They should just update the game so you have to beat inv before you unlock the other slugs

grave token
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Broslugempty

grave stag
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then the achievements would become a lot more rarer :D

radiant night
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0.001%

grave token
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Ultimate FP experience (wait then us Console players are FUCKED bc MLLs crash the game, and the game is unstable on console when playing Inv)

radiant night
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How do you play the other campaigns if they crash you

grave token
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No, only Inv (and Joop)

radiant night
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Oh

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poor console šŸ’”

tranquil mulch
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they temporarily ported the MLL crash to PC in 1.9.14 (got fixed in 1.9.15b)slagony

grave token
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Cas villain arc

grave token
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3 left

grave stag
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sooo they may manage to revive moon but not really anything else done?

grave token
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I assume so

modern harness
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Gonna go say hi to Moon but shes dead

latent fractal
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HERE WE GO

grave token
grave stag
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question how do I have server booster colour on my nick instead of fphelper

latent fractal
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You don't

grave stag
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so do I really need to do rwsc?

tranquil mulch
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yeah

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the colour is determined by the highest role you have, and the role order is global

grave token
grave stag
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helping hand achievement

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brings back memories of my first hunter run

grave token
grave stag
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yeah I still gotta ascend

grave token
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You have EVERY achievement but ascensionhunterkek

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Keep it like that for the mems

grave stag
grave token
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Yes

crisp remnant
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What's the fun fact?

grave token
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SDM has every achievement except ascension

crisp remnant
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That's commitment

grave stag
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I am only 860 hours in rw so yeah bit of commitment

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now I am wondering if I should do copycapt rwsc while doing my spear all porls getting read :D

turbid bane
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just asking how it works i forgot

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i know low quality hides it but i forgot if theres another catch to it

modern harness
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Guys I made Igna Silly

turbid bane
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nice!!

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or

modern harness
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@west mango That was spoilers

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Cas doesn't know the neuron is reset keys, they havent been to Pebs yet

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As far as she know,s its just a green neuron

west mango
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i thought it was fine bc of the pearl

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@modern harness

modern harness
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Oh right
"slag keys"

west mango
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i quoted the pearl directly

modern harness
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Sorry then lol

gray musk
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should we nudge cas to go to pebbles for more lore?

grave stag
gray musk
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Yea. Might be better to just wait.

west mango
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i dont think they have time to go in this playthrough tho

teal timber
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@barren cargo caramel lizards are MSC-exclusive, plz delete

barren cargo
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oh just realised that is a vanilla thread

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and yeah deleted instantly soz

teal timber
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happens monksilly

modern harness
glad void
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@slate patio sand lizards are probably salamanders considering they can sometimes be orangeish and they (i think) found them in shoreline monkcurious white lizards are also an option

slate patio
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that's what i was guessing, white is the only of the two that has a tongue

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but he's determined it wasn't white, so I'm sending him on a hunt to find it again

glad void
slate patio
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and it qas in groups, which white lizards don't typically do
my other guess was misidentifying a sand colored scav

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but those don't have tongues

slate patio
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alright I'm gonna leave this thread so I'm not tempted to look at it

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see y'all in the future!

glad void
teal timber
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@west mango

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plz delete that

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Cas doesn't know I don't think

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that you need 10 karma to ascend

west mango
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Oh shit ur right

teal timber
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and besides, she doesn't know that Five Pebbles doesn't give 10 karma rivowo

west mango
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She didn’t go to guardians at less than 10 karma

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I forgot

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It has been deleted

teal timber
west mango
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Hopefully she didn’t see

teal timber
glad void
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title and first message soilers

glad void
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one of these is an overseer eye right

meager raven
#

Right one is

crude oxide
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castrix reached CCslugpraise
she finally took the better route

sage stirrup
#

yoo

grave token
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Image is soiler (falling blue lizord)

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I think it's CC too

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Anyways that's my contribution for the nightslugsleep

latent fractal
#

TIMELINE ACCURACY? IN MY THEORY?!?

tranquil mulch
#

why is WAWA so common rivsob this is terrible

latent fractal
#

Because wawa

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Who doesn't love wawa

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I've infected my friends with it and they don't even play this game

tranquil mulch
#

wawa is unloreful

grave token
#

Wawa

latent fractal
#

Just you wait, Watcher will make wawa canon

tranquil mulch
#

mute slugcats are better monkdevious

latent fractal
#

There is definitely something about just having an 100% creecher staring at you

silver musk
#

They need to implement meowing into the game pigplead

grave token
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They do!!!

gray musk
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Sadly Cas doesn't seem to have figure out negative cycles yet...

grave token
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Poor Cas

silver musk
modern harness
tranquil mulch
#

@teal timber ceiling scorpion for dropwig (from Cas)

crisp remnant
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I do wonder how Cas spent 5 cycles going from Outskirts to HI CC gate. They were at 14 cycles left in the shelter below HI, then 9 at CC gate hunterthinking

grave token
grave token
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Gravel is always there iirc

gray musk
grave token
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Don't need to prime Gravel or the one in Sub

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iirc that is

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They're both always there no matter your karma level

atomic locust
modern harness
dark tiger
sage stirrup
#

i have some news you may enjoy

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you can angle your spear throws with momentum, throwing while at the beginning of a jump angles it up, throwing on the way down angles it down, and lots of cool stuff you can do with backflip momentum and slides

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its so fun

grave token
crude oxide
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Castrix is gonna find out that pebbles gives additional cycles

grave token
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Met Pebbshunterknowing

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Too much?

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Dealed with

radiant night
#

probably

grave token
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I feel like Cas's thread is the best moderatedhunterkek

crude oxide
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"I was not a medical facility even when the equipment was functioning, but I will attempt to do something to buy you a little time." Fucking brain blasts you

grave token
#

POW

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@fluid timber read the guidelines here to increase your brain smorts

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Guidelines are in pins

fluid timber
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Thanks

grave token
grave token
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What the hellrivflabbergasted

atomic locust
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might have been that

sage stirrup
#

wh-

grave token
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She's gonna get brain blasted trying but

grave token
gray musk
grave token
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Ah

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Thanksmonkblep

gray musk
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np

modern harness
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I pray for Cas when she goes through spitter hell

grave token
modern harness
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Doing that shit for Triplopia was another experience I cant imagine what going down would be like

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Does she know? Igna_Silly

grave token
modern harness
gray musk
meager raven
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Worming time

modern harness
gray musk
modern harness
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Excuse my shitty cropping lmao there wasnt space for the s

gray musk
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sure, whatever.

grave token
#

Gun sweeperāŒ
American Sweeperāœ…

modern harness
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Amazing

meager raven
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AI widen the image and add that S

gray musk
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Peak Art. With an F at the start of art.

gray musk
meager raven
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That's for memes tho 😭

modern harness
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Me when rule 14 encompasses the entire server:

grave token
latent fractal
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I think she's already reasoned Hunter is before Surv, right?

meager raven
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Can't recall

grave token
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Uhh

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It's somewhere here

grave token
gray musk
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@late copper and please check the rules in the pinned messages here and pinned post.

crisp remnant
grave token
modern harness
grave token
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Fuuu Snailed

modern harness
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LMAO same braincell

grave token
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Yup

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I'll delete mine

crude oxide
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Keep persevering castrix

crisp remnant
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You gotta keep going!

fluid timber
#

the power of motivational speeches that can not be seen

crisp remnant
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It fills you with DETERMINATION
For real though, I briefly forgot this wasn't Cas' thread monklaugh

grave token
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Lmao

grave token
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Cas is going LF-SB monksilly

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Maybe LF-SB-SL

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Who knowshunterthinking

fluid timber
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Does she know about the requirements to ascend? It seems easy to miss as survivor/monk

grave token
#

Who knowshunterthinking

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I don't think she knows

fluid timber
grave token
modern harness
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If she knew she prolly wouldnt be running immediately for Depths on the ascension attempt

grave token
#

True

radiant night
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@grave token usually people miss them because you can just run beneath it and it doesn’t do anything

grave token
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Fair

radiant night
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You have to stand under it for awhile

grave token
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Never seen one ingame

radiant night
#

Stowaway

grave token
radiant night
#

The tendrils there have to first sense you

grave token
grave token
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Guh Cas might starvehunterknowing

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insert CORE approach from Undertale

glad void
grave token
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(Not at X karma hunterrip )

modern harness
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:p

grave token
sage stirrup
#

lel

glad void
crisp remnant
sage stirrup
#

is this optimal rout or? idk hunter strats lol

crisp remnant
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Won't work without more echos

modern harness
#

Best route I think is FA - SI - CC - TE - FP - TE - CC - IC - SC - SL - SB - End, at least for me
Passes by SI, CC, TE echoes plus FP

grave token
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I prefer FA echo-SI echo-CC echo-TW echo (without Pebbs bc I'm like that)-CC-SI-FA-SB echo-Depths

crisp remnant
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Not even SL? How cruel articry

grave token
grave stag
twin ridge
#

That's the route I took, yeah

twin ridge
# crisp remnant

This does hit enough echoes if she gets both chimney and shaded

crisp remnant
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Only if she gets them, which she might not since Cas doesn't really know the requirements for ascension or what echos actually do outside of giving funny numerals

grave stag
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Assuming meeting chimney, wall, SC echoes

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Currently it seems like they will actually ascend this time around

modern harness
#

She does know where SC echo is and she got 3 level ups already
She can very well win this time around cuz shes still got tons of cycles. On attempt 6 I think?
What Hunter does to you Igna_Silly

grave token
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Attempt... 6 yea

sage stirrup
#

man, i havent even completed a hunter run

grave token
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Fuck you auto correctsaintpensive

grave stag
#

and then expedition does same things but ^4

sage stirrup
#

man, next expedition i do, i just gotta choose slugcat and press play, no more of this pick and choose stuf

grave stag
sage stirrup
grave stag
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also which scug, show me your proggression so far

sage stirrup
grave stag
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hmmmm so kill as many hard enemies as possible understood rivevil

sage stirrup
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sob

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also ima ping u in my expedition thread so we can continue this there

grave stag
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yeah do that

meager raven
radiant night
#

nsh is green

teal timber
tranquil mulch
teal timber
#

true monksilly

tranquil mulch
#

and the other green thing is the Neurone/Pearl, which don’t really mean much either

grave token
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Telling the OP to google how to save LttM

teal timber
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@modern harness deletion request monkcheese

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actually not really

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the message itself is not a spoiler only bad advice

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they don't have to follow it

modern harness
#

saintunyoy

And now a Monk playthrough will be in order soon monkcheese

teal timber
#

that's going to be funny

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excited for Five Pebbles' rant

modern harness
#

lol

turbid bane
modern harness
#

"Wait, thers no colored pearls?"

turbid bane
#

i wonder whats after monk

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maybe arti? maybe gourm?

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i dont think cas would do arti 1st

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she likes scavs

meager raven
#

Maybe Gourmand

modern harness
#

She despised them during Hunter playthrough

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Hunter has negative rep so she got to see that in full force :p

teal timber
turbid bane
modern harness
tranquil mulch
#

inv time

radiant night
radiant night
teal timber
#

in vanilla there's also the green overseer, it makes sense

modern harness
#

@meager raven She doesnt have remix on

meager raven
#

Oh ok

tranquil mulch
grave stag
#

At this point I wanna almost suggest CAS to do scholar on hunter

tranquil mulch
teal timber
tranquil mulch
#

yeah

teal timber
#

but it seems likely

tranquil mulch
#

tbh I don't really see the likely; the puppet, neurone, and pearl don't really establish the green as being NSH's colour by themselves

teal timber
#

well yeah but if we had to pick a color monksilly

tranquil mulch
#

I see it being UI a bit more likely, even given that they are established to have sent an overseer before hunterkek

teal timber
#

oh true

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I always forget the Fissure pearl is vanilla

tranquil mulch
#

it has a datestamp, so vanilla hunterknowing

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i wonder if it was an intentional choice to not have any new datestamps in MSC

modern harness
#

Does this count

radiant night
tranquil mulch
# modern harness Does this count

del later clarified that nsh wasn't meant to be a confirmation that it's nsh, but aligned with the leading theory at the time; the instructions were simply to draw an iterator puppet

modern harness
#

Damb

tranquil mulch
#

tbh either way I made the messages with the assumption that the puppet is NSH's hunterknowing

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theory: green overseer can't be NSH's because overseers don't match the puppet in colour intentionally, to let them contrast themselves more against it slugwoke

radiant night
#

green one srs and orange one nsh

teal timber
tranquil mulch
#

(though only in Downpour canon as before)

sage stirrup
#

they have red on them

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the lil triangols

modern harness
#

Hm yes, 2 tiny lines of red over an entire body thats yellow

sage stirrup
#

yeah but its still not completely avoiding the color scheme

meager raven
#

To be fair I haven't even "unthought" that green means NSH

sage stirrup
#

yeah-

meager raven
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Why would I think like that

sage stirrup
#

theres a purple overseer right?

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im gonna dig through the wiki to see what overseers are visible in hunter

meager raven
#

At this point I'm more leaning towards "let's not bikeshed too much and call it 'there's no relationship between the color of an iterator and that of its overseer' "

sage stirrup
#

k i looked and i think hunter can technically see every color of overseer, its just rare

sage stirrup
#

i dont think the rules are strict enough to be like 'this overseer is too close in color to this iterator, so it cant be theirs'

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also nsh causes significant harrassment, what if he chose green just because everyone elses overseer wasnt the same color as them šŸ’€

dark tiger
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The green overseer being NSH is mostly out of the green neuron + that's the only other iterator of focus in the campaign

radiant night
#

srs cannon rocket launcher hunterknowing

teal timber
#

@jagged flame (this is the "Coordination Thread" we keep talking about)

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we use it for coordinating advice or figuring out what someone has seen without their notice

modern harness
#

This would involve knowing that the SI pealrs have 5 variations, of which he is present in ones she hasnt seen

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Should we like, hint at it somehow?

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The only way she would know is if she gets the right pearl dialogue and knowing the SI pearls are random isnt intuitive

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What do we think chat

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Smth like "Youve seen every pearl, but you haven't seen every dialogue" or smth

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Altho the OS and IC pearls fit into that cuz she lost those

sage stirrup
#

how bout just, 'read more pearls'?

tranquil mulch
#

tbh SI pearls is such a stupid mechanic that I think it'll fit to just explicitly state it hunterkek

sage stirrup
#

wait SI pearls dialouge is random?

modern harness
#

Yes

sage stirrup
#

thats

modern harness
#

SI has 2 pearls

tranquil mulch
#

do recall that mathematically the expected amount of playthroughs to get all 5 is 6

sage stirrup
#

why

modern harness
#

With 5 randomized dialogue to pick from

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At this point yeah, just to save her the hassle, cause how tf is anyone gonna figure that out without comparing notes or looking at the code

grave stag
#

asking as it seems like in my sm porl collection run I have duplicates ;-;

modern harness
#

SI has 2 pearls which pick a random dialogue upon being read iirc, like how white pearls pick a dialogue and stick with it

tranquil mulch
modern harness
#

You physically cant get all 5 unless you dupe pearls before reading

grave stag
#

ehhhh

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so I need multiple times go to moon to get sm readings

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;-;

tranquil mulch
modern harness
#

Should I tell Cas the SI pearl funkyness just to save her the trouble?

crisp remnant
#

I think it's okay as a mechanic, just bad for blind fp lol

modern harness
#

She still needs to do a new run to read the OS and IC pearls so she can do that too, if she knows beforehand

grave stag
#

let's just sugggest hunter scholar :D

tranquil mulch
modern harness
#

So should I go ahead and tell her, or hint, or wait a bit?

late copper
grave stag
#

wait wait wait msc enabled, how many porls there is in SI?

late copper
#

5

grave stag
#

I guess I still need to find 2 more

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so back to SI I gotta go ;-;

teal timber
#

maybe once she's done with Monk, or if she asks for hints for stuff she's missed

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alternately she could just play MSC monksilly

modern harness
#

Ight

tranquil mulch
tranquil mulch
# tranquil mulch

let h(x) be the expected value of playthroughs to get to X = 5 from X = x
h(5) = 0 by definition
h(4) = 1 + 0.4h(5) + 0.6h(4) (you take 1 step either way, so that's +1; that one ends with h(4) or h(5))
h(4) = 1 + 0.6h(4) (substitute h(5) = 0); 0.4h(4) = 1; h(4) = 2.5
sanity check: X = 4 switching to X = 5 has the First Success distribution with parameter 0.4; its expected value of 1/p is indeed 2.5
h(3) = 1 + 0.3h(3) + 0.6h(4) + 0.1h(5) = 1 + 0.3h(3) + 1.5; 0.7h(3) = 2.5; h(3) = 25/7
h(2) = 1 + 0.1h(2) + 0.6h(3) + 0.3h(4) = 1 + 0.1h(2) + 15/7 + 0.75; 0.9h(2) = (28 + 15*4 + 3*7)/28 = 109/28; h(2) = 1090/252 = 545/126
h(0) = 1 + h(2) = 671/126

#

so that's approximately 5.3253... playthroughs

#

the estimate without taking into account that the two Pearls cannot have the same dialogue was 11.41(6) readings, which would translate to 5.708(3) playthroughs at 2 readings per playthrough

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so it is an improvement

#

but not as big as it seems hunterkek

teal timber
#

Pearl-hunting as the Hunter lizcyankek

#

well I guess that's the only way she can do it without resetting her Survivor save, soo

#

(she doesn't know that of course)

radiant night
#

She can open another save slot in settings right?

latent fractal
#

What if we just tell her the SI pearls are randomized
But don't tell her what or why

#

Just like

#

"Hey fun fact..."

teal timber
#

no

latent fractal
#

Ok

modern harness
#

Its a fun fact that can come later

#

She gonna get the IC pearl read tho YIPPEE

latent fractal
#

The blue?

#

About bone masks?

#

I thought she had that one read

modern harness
#

She gave it to scavs

#

Same with OS pearl

latent fractal
#

Oof

#

Just you wait until Rivulet lmao

radiant night
#

rivulet moves substantially faster, i think they will have fun on it

latent fractal
#

Riv was soooooo fun to play

#

The schmovement

meager raven
#

Riv is actually too fast for me to pick as the main explorer rivuslappy1 rivuslappy2

#

Too fast that I can't appreciate the view

#

There's this mind that if you drive fast you need to look farther ahead

#

And also very slippery for parkour :P

modern harness
latent fractal
#

True...cringe?

modern harness
#

RW doesnt have a proper guide because it benefits from not having one, players have to think for themselves how to deal with encounters and survive

#

Having a 'guide' tell you literally everything defeats the point of the entire game

sage stirrup
#

yeah, though ig a guide on just, where to go would help, but having someone be like, oh thats a lizard, hit it with a rock to flip it over then stun lock stab it to death, would be boring

#

<--- totally didnt have this happen

modern harness
#

Should we like

#

Say something to em

latent fractal
#

I dunno

modern harness
#

Because honestly I do not vibe with all that xd

crisp remnant
#

I... don't like that that is somewhere where new playes can see it and think "oh I should just follow this!" Like, it'd still be their fault for spoiling themselves, but it being so readily accessible is... offputting to me

sage stirrup
#

yeah

modern harness
#

Ill get the felper staff here cuz honestly idk what to do here

sage stirrup
#

actually-

#

its right next to the guide, ppl are gonna click and read

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regardless of if they mean to spoil themselves or not

#

i know i'd click on it

#

im stupid

modern harness
#

Not sure what to do about this

grave stag
#

kinda regret tho that I looked that guide as well as I did tho

radiant night
#

the reason there arent guides like that is because it makes the game less fun

#

defining everything for a new player takes the joy out of figuring things out

radiant night
#

but yes it is misleading for a new person here

#

and posting the maps in their guide makes it so if you were following it you wouldnt experience every room but just rush through areas taking the fastest path

#

also telling people to ignore the leg and underhang

modern harness
#

One of the best areas in the game for the buildup that leads to FP and the Stargazer room

radiant night
#

i understand it is hard but i feel like it is way more interesting to actually see fp region instead of climbing the wall too

modern harness
#

Just completely skip that entire area and go straight for the story relevant part of the game, completely skipping that fact of the players needing to learn how to survive instead of being caught in the throes of Illusion of Progression

radiant night
#

and i dont think a lot of new people will just figure out how to throw a spear downward

crisp remnant
#

I'm not even opposed to their thing. It's good to have a guide somewhere I just don't think it should be there where it's easily found. If you need a guide you should have to work for it imo

radiant night
#

i dont think guides work with rainworld

#

the threads here exist as a good way to ask questions and have a helper

sage stirrup
#

rain world is like those things where the consumer of the material also has to put work into it otherwise its just not entertaining, like ARGs or that one book from lke... the 80-90s

#

like, i followed i guide specifically to beat surv campaign as fast as i could, wasnt memorable in the slightest and not that fun tbh, only really had fun with the game when i started branching off on my own and doing movement tech and, now, expedition

#

gurm playthrough was so fun for me bc, even though i had looked at the wiki beforehand to see crafting recipies, i completely forgot all of them so i got to have fun trying to figure them all out again

#

i feel like this story was unnessesary huhnter

grave stag
radiant night
#

cas did hunter without a guide

#

really a player can formulate a plan on their own through trial and error monkcheese

grave stag
#

I personally wouldn't have had enough will power do hunter multiple times

#

Especially when I had nobody to update my progression to at the time being while doing hunter

sage stirrup
#

being able to share my experience is 100% why im still trying expedition lol

grave stag
#

Yeah the fact there is possibility to have someone to share the journey makes trial and error more fun

radiant night
sage stirrup
grave stag
radiant night
#

thats my main point anyway
no guide until you at least tried it

grave stag
#

Became very very familiar with back upping during those runs

sage stirrup
#

back upping?

radiant night
#

still more fun to headbutt the wall until you get a route worked out hunterknowing

grave stag
#

Fail on cycle

#

Load backup

sage stirrup
#

guh

#

cheater hunterclose

grave stag
#

It's starvation from the wish

#

Tbh if I knew about starvation I would have not touched back ups

sage stirrup
#

oh yeah i literally just figured out the starve strat like 2 hours ago, when the.... LF_A14 happened

grave stag
#

if I had known about starving then I wouldn't have used backups

#

but I agree the pebble's guide is too easily accessible for newbies

#

and contains too much

#

I originally thought they would try to make guide while documenting run something like castrix's thread has turned into

modern harness
#

It looks like the thread's been locked so should I jsut close it? Cuz its still visible since its open

sage stirrup
#

wait you can lock threads? or can only mods do that

#

like, can you lock your own thread

modern harness
#

I didnt lock it and I doubt another felper locked it so staff probably did

grave stag
#

fhelpers can lock stuff I think

#

but most likely it was staff who locked it

sage stirrup
#

je

grave stag
#

imo we need to talk with the OP of that thread before just straight up deleting their thread

#

deleting thread without any context just leaves bad taste in my mouth

sage stirrup
#

im still tryna figure out how im gonna go about doccumenting my watcher run, thats why im asking about locking threads

modern harness
#

Closing threads moves it to the bottom of the forum list separately from open threads
I havent deleted a thread before iirc I jsut close unused ones

grave stag
#

how to document watcher run?

#

open channel at your own discord for it

#

I will definetely document my watcher playthrough to my own private discord server because why not

grave stag
modern harness
#

Yea

#

I dont wanna touch it yet unless theres confirmation to close it

#

I pinged felper staffers earlier so idk what theyre doing regarding the thread xd

sage stirrup
#

i truly have 300 iq

radiant night
#

then you can share it more easily

grave stag
#

but but I only need to share it with one person unless people here wanna see it :D

sage stirrup
crisp remnant
grave stag
#

dw me playing watcher will take some months before I manage to finish it

#

as I will want to enjoy it to fullest

#

and I still am so much of off from my goal of reaching 2,5k playtime on rw

sage stirrup
#

can we get rid of this-

crude oxide
#

Of what

grave stag
sage stirrup
#

wait hold on

grave stag
#

they have seen scavs before

#

unless I read op's messages completely wrong there

sage stirrup
#

nvm yeah i just read up a bit to see if they knew what scavs were

#

i need to

#

think more

grave stag
#

flagging stuff is fine, but next time ask rather, is this a spoiler?

sage stirrup
#

yeah- mb

#

dang, ive done a lot of sillies today, i think i need a nap or smthn šŸ’€

modern harness
#

OS pearl next run Kinkajou_Evil1

#

The pearl with big lore shes missed

twin ridge
#

I think Cas has every vanilla achievement except one now

tiny glacier
latent fractal
#

Eeeeeee

radiant night
#

@meager raven cas doesnt know who that is yet

meager raven
#

I know that

#

It's for us and us only :>