#Old FP Guide Coordination [Archived]
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I... Didn't know that was a thing
me staring 5+ death markers in same spot in same room in underhang
All my homies hate Underhang
Literally struggle there every single time
I mean
Underhang actually isn't that bad
Just gotta be somewhat decent with grapple worms
I like underhang
They're too unreliable 
They can be hard to control
I just don't use grapple worms if I come from the leg to the underhand
Then how do you get to TW
Between the DLLs, finicky worms, and hellish parkour
I tend to stay far away
that's the neat part I don't
So you pilgrimage every time?
or well I get there by CC
The only time (outside of my initial run) that I got frustrated with UW is as Riv. The movespeed makes precise parkour so much harder 
Worms aren't even that bad to control/use
Idk why y'all are complaining
CC -> UW works 7/8 times 
Yea, I struggle in SU when I play Joop with people (I love Riv obv)
is the sait the exception there?
To my utter dismay, Riv is actually the only slugcat where I didn't go through Underhang. I just went through Pebbles from that midway point
BOY WAS THAT A MISTAKE
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What about Inv
I mean, I also did that 
We dont talk about Inv 
But I knew roughly what to expect
That's nice of you. I didn't. He's an ass
Well, I'd react the same way he would, in hindsight.
If I was working on a life changing project, trying to answer the one problem I were created to solve, and got interrupted by my big sister, which gives me stage 5 cancer, I'd be furious and shut everyone out as well
:p
From his perspective it makes perfect sense. From outside he's murdering his sister
But uh. Guiding thread isn't the place for debate on this topic
Dont allude to downpour spoilers please
not really but it hints at a dlc character
I feel like the connection is pretty easy to make considering we have server emojis with SM in them
Additionally I donāt really think thereāll be any harm in getting spoiled for something you get told within 30 seconds of starting the campaign anyways 
There is definitely a certain joy in learning it for the first time as you start the campaign
Any and all expectations can be soilers
I never had the blind RW experience so I wouldnāt know lol
Besides, the point isn't to judge what is and isn't a soiler. Just to keep information leaks of any kind to a minimum
Cas likes learning things for herself. Getting spoile don something regarding a DLC character while she's still doing vanilla stuff isnt fun
Fair enough
Personally I still donāt think that qualifies as a spoiler lol
But thatās just me
Yeah, I tend to be very sensitive about spoilers! Just a diff of opinion 
My b
Im also very picky on sppilers lol esp for this game
Makes you a good felper I imagine
I'd prefer to have ppl go in blind
But I have so much love for this game and the lore it just kinda spills out
I get that 
I get that
Btw does CAS know about backspear yet?
I would make a great felper aside from the fact that I donāt think the game is best played completely blind 
yes
she was carrying one
They already know how to switch it
I would be a good felper just because I know a lot but don't say a lot about the game
Arti
That campaign is just
Eugh
Best mechanics worst campaign
Arti campaign BUILT my hate for scavs (I still love Arti's campaign tho
)
Just like
is best campaign worst mechanics
Scavs are fun to fight
I'm never playing arti unless I let them have normal rep 
Incorrect ā
You have a permanent minimum rep as Arti
I love those guys
Blowing shit up with grenades blows my brain up with dopamine
Canāt bring myself to harm them
you cannot say gourmand has the worst mechanics if you ignore crafting
EXACTLY WHY I MURDER ALL SCAVS ON SIGHT
Crafting is kinda intuitive
Exactly the same reason here
Yeap, If I ever play it Imma nab a mod to give normal rep
Unintuitive*
I accidentally blew up a toll trying to kill a noot once
I only kill scavs that I know would kill me otherwise
You either have the memorized a few core recipes which kills variety or look up a guide which is annoying
That... ruins the point of Arti campaignš
"We have this super cool powerful scug"
"Lets make them have permanent constant fueds with the worst creatures to fight fairly"
I learnt my lesson after one cycling the wall as SM and then getting killed by a scav atop the wall
Still feel bad when I kill them
That's the reason they made her so strong lmao
Scavs are a suitable match for any player after a certain point
the only thing that can nerf the most op creature
Scavs aren't as bad as MIROS VILTURES
I wouldn't enjoy it otherwise. So I either don't play it or ruin it 
Learning how to turn to the tides is pretty epic
Incorrect ā
I would rather fight 20 miros vulture than 1 scav
It's a shame that the arti storyline is mid but it's how it is sometimes
gourmand and saint are the kind of slugcats the dlc needed. the decision to focus on so many campaigns was a big mistake imo which lead to two awful campaigns and an alright one
Mfw More SlugCats adds More SlugCats
What's the other awful one 
spearmaster
Yeah I agree that it's too sparse for lore
I personally disliked Saint and Gourm imo they're the worst campaigns
Saint is peak until Rubicon
And even the ending of Rubicon is pretty awesome
Nah, I disagree so hard with that lol. But fair
Gourm and Arti were the worst for me
Riv was easier than Monk for me but enjoyable
Spear and Saint were absolutely peak
Personally the power scaling on Saint is too much
Although endgame Saint is crazy
I donāt even think I used the ascension ability that much
Didnāt even need to until HR
i don't like having only one inventory slot for the most of the campaign. this is really, really bad
hunter has 4!
Every campaign has its horrendous flaws :p
This is true. I eventually caved and modded myself a slot for the pearl
Hunter:
The only campaigns I didn't really like were Saint, and Gourm
I didnāt struggle with the pearl until communications array
imo
The only flawed vanilla scug IMO is Monk. Like, it only exists as an easy option
Then I dropped it TWICE while at the top trying to get the ending
oooh i thought you meant both vanilla and msc
in this case i do agree
Monk shouldāve had more variation from Surv in its campaign
why do people dislike gourmand?
Too slow and frustrating imo
Unwieldy
The tiredness mechanic sucks
infinite rolls is good mobility
Only if you know tech which is never taught or explained in game
Too long waiting for Gourm to get untired, died 99% of the time waiting for it, and KV spam
And don't even get me started on trying to get to OE from the SL-SB gate
B but I love climbing poles
Yea the vanilla scugs are pretty good
Monk is one thats odd because you physically arent allowed to get lore even though it has basically the same difficulty as Surv, just in different areas
you didn't approach the combat properly then
Like, I love Gourm, but I can understand why people don't
Thatās why I think DP shouldāve given us a remastered Monk campaign
Maybe something to do with Moons cloak
Something relatively easy
That isnāt the exact same as Surv
Something unique basically
It was satisfying jumping on creatures though
you can't just carelessly throw spears unlike other scugs. you need a different approach as gourmand
this reminds me of the SI Pearls as one of baffling decisions
DP readds colored pearls to Monk and gives players an optional things to do and thats basically it until Gourd is completed
not in the writing part, but in the 5 Random Dialogue Pool part
Oh yeah the SI pearls
Still not enough to set it apart from Surv
Surv can do all those things
That was probably part of my problem, I love combat and always try to kill when possible so the exhaustion is what did it for me
Giving players that played it first no real reason to play Monk
Monk pearls are a thing I agree with tbh. Maybe I'm an elitist but I think only letting players have the "deep lore" if they play the intended way is fine
are you implying that Monk is a glitch
No?
Monk isnāt any easier than Surv tho imo
Arguably harder in a few senses
Monk has the same difficulty as Survivor, just in different areas imo
Punishing players because they want something other than Survivor isnt a good move imo
But the initial intent is that pearls are only accesible to surv and hunter, which makes them the intended way to get lore
I mean, Monk is SUBSTANTIALLY easier (imo), spawning a karma flower on death
I don't think of it as a punishment?
Monk can still read white pearls
Those sometimes have good lore on them
People struggle a lot on playing Survivor alone, why must Monk be the one that barrs you from most of the lore if its just Survivor but Difficult in Other Areas
As I said, in my experience I found Rivulet (and maybe even Saint) easier than Monk, so it did feel kinda unfair that I got more lore as the ones that required less effort to beat
Monk was my first campaign of course, but Survivor is a lot of peopleās first
And they get lore
If monk is just surv but differently difficult then why would people play monk instead of surv
Because on the selection screen itās made out to be easier 
does castrix know she has limited cycles?
āYour journey will be comparatively more peacefulā or something like that is what it says
No coue
And that is a LIE
She knows its counting down
||Okay, I walked into that, but what I mean is igna implies that people struggle more on surv then monk, which means monk is easier|| But uh, I'll stop debating in the guiding thread. sorry 
I mean, most people play Survivor first because it shows up first and Monk being described as the "easy mode" decides what players pick
There is no dishonour in playing Monk friends, it truly is a path of the Martyr 
Considering how weak and pathetic Monk is
They baby
I wonder how far Cas will get before this attempt ends
Has she gotten any echoes?
If not then probably not too far, even if she does get to moon
She saw the priming of the FA one
Still stuck at the OS gate cuz of the damn toll
I don't think she knows how to get echoes so it'll probably be a bit until she stumbles into one
Arenāt there pearls on the FA side or is that msc only
Uhh
Idk but the OS side of the gate has msc pearls
Shes seen every echo iirc
she just doesnt fully understand the requirements to see them
The only difference for Hunter echoes is they dont need priming :p
No
What I didnāt know that lmao
What? Don't you need to see the flash, sleep and come back?
Hunter has 20 cycles, you could waste up to 4 cycles priming echoes if it was still required
No
You can still see the flash but if you have the required karma they just show up
This could be a short thread
she'll definitely retry
Hope so
I'm predicting one fail, one fail after fixing Moon, one fail after seeing pebsi. idk if she'll ascend
probably not, cas most likely will retry in that same thread
Shell def keep trying until she beats the campaign I think
She wouldnt want to leave it unfinished
true true
I thought rocks didn't flip reds
I believe that will be the case, like cmon she got over 1000 cycles on surv and is at 2/3 of my playtime like she's brave and doesn't give up easy from what I can tell
You don't
Reds and gulp Trains
you fight reds with another red!
Pipe juke basically
Or mouthspear but that's risky as hell with 100% lethality
Giving them creatures, spear pins, sneak attack into stunlock or explosive spear, king vultures, explosives, mouthspears
I know, I've tried.
They're faster than they look too
MSC
I like to tell players that no one expects them to beat Hunter on their first try after they get the failed ending
Should we do the same for Cas
It doesn't help that red's hitboxes are tiny in comparison to their total length. I've missed so many spears to phazing through their tail
I'm not a fpelper but that seems like a decent idea. Only if she's discouraged tho
I have yet to kill a red in any playthrough
Beating hunter on first try is very difficult. Probably not worth the pressure
Same
I think I killed one by accident in arti
Unless we count Saint ascension ability but that doesn't give kill credit
I also don't think I have killed a DDL either
At least not saved
it doesn't wipe kill credit either 
Surprisingly its not too hard once you find the trick to it
I'm not about to hit a red with a rock and ascend it in less than 5 seconds
I sure am
i think it's fine. i would even encourage her to plan her route given that she knows the map well
Did Cas figure out the Hunter cycles yet
yes
yes
She knows they're going down, not what they mean just yet
But doesn't know why it's counting down
Hunter counting down the days until he starts breaking it down now yall
Until they find out...
Slide to the right! slide to the left!
The thousand-apede
(namely the fact that it's actually hidden initially)
at least it's not the eye-hurting night theme
though e.g. solarised light would definitely be better if it was an option
I am blessed enough to have the custom themes
3P clients have been too unstable in my past experience, with having to reinstall every few weeks, and I'm not buying nitro 
What's wrong with dark mode
harsher on the eyes than light theme
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It's uhhh mixed on if it's good or not
How

(obviously in my personal experience and I'm not claiming this is true for everyone
)
There are studies as to how helpful dark mode actually is, but I'm not caught up
I'm just confused how it's harsher on people's eyes
To Google I go!
It depends on your fleshy goop balls (eyes)
Maybe my colorblind goop balls are good
I have a very minor Astigmatism, lights are just insanely bright and flashy but not too badly
Not the place to discuss this tho
(Come to my thread if you do)
Because of all the screen time mine are at the point where lights will stretch across my entire vision vertically
Unless I open my eyes wide
But then everything is more blurry I think
So I'm going deaf and blind
That's nice š«
ah yeah I'm wearing glasses 24/7 due to hereditary astigmatism 
I have mild hearing loss from birth
Which is degenerative because I don't wear my hearing aids (uncomfortable)
Which makes communication with people harder than it would be
Which is why I'm so drawn to online
Don't need ears to read text

My ears are fine to me but having to hear other people talk around me is difficult, esp in loud places I am not gonna understand a word youre saying
I can definitely understand that. My brain is too slow to comprehend people's voices when it's loud or there are too many people talking

I just nod and say "okay" and pretend I heard people cuz I dont wanna say "what" a thousand times just to hear something coherrant ome out of someones mouth
Its even worse through phone calls
Yeah same
If I'm on a discord call I have to have your volume maxed
Otherwise I'm not gonna hear anything
Anywaysss
Random trivia, GO!
In Terraria, it took me 27 attempts to get the Seedler from Plantera on Master mode. With a 2/7 drop chance, the percentage chance of having luck that bad is 0.00000000000020425035%.

you calculated the odds of getting it 27 times in a row, not not getting it
Counterpoint, I'm not the one who did the math
If the number is wrong it isn't my fault
(5/7)^27Ā =Ā 0.0001133817188873, a more reasonable 0.01% 
Good LORD
even then it assumes that tries are independent of each other, rather than having some seed


This is too smart for me
All I know is I had to kill big plant far too many times
And I still can't beat moon lord
Anyways
I just realized this is a thread, not an actual channel
Wyf
the fact that Cas has seen the mark puts a quite high lower bound on the amount of cycles that have passed
with afaik no Echo

ah nvm my memory put it as higher 
A good thing about Hunter runs is theyre pretty quick to get over with
markBaseAlpha = Mathf.Pow(Mathf.InverseLerp(4f, 14f, player.abstractCreature.world.game.GetStorySession.saveState.cycleNumber), 3.5f);
cycle 9 as in?
9th cycle, 10th cycle, or what the game calls cycle 9
lol
Uhh what the game calls cycle 9 ?
0 based jumpscare


the game starts with 0
She's survived a few since 9 so she's probably at 6 or 7 cycles left
we don't know if she realizes that
Ik
Yeah I know that
Im curious what shes doin tho
She's either trying to ascend or just wandering
Does she know sub connects to shoreline? Or am I confusing that with a dlc thing
Maybe bc the dot of smort from last time granted the X karma (from Pebbs) and thinks the same will happen?
It's not dlc, there's only 2 dlc connections added which are CC-DS and GW-SC
Let's see where they're going
There's also pipeyard which connects a lot of vanilla regions together
And it's basically a glorified connection
I hate pipeyard
centiyard
might as well count OE and LC 
VS is annoying
oh also there's UW-SL even if it's useless gameplay-wise
Most useless connection Ive ever seen in my life
But anyway, idr if Cas knows about the SB -> SL but if so that could be where she's headed
she does, that's how she originally got to SL
Neat
guh i found it

I was typing
/silly

do recall it's a non-MSC context 
farewell sweet beast
ik but also i didnt know what it was so i looked for it anyways
Cas already at cycle 0
guh
not necessarily Rot in vanilla
(and imo there are a few implications of a more Karmic nature)
Shes reached Cycle 0 It seems 
I can grab the text about the first ttempt thing if we wanna send it when she dies?
ugh, now i wanna actually finish a hunter run >:(
The tomato returns
Stop mentioning other campaigns lolol
@scarlet holly just pinging you into this coordination thread read the pins, also you should refrain from mentioning other campaigns in threads
I do think there's a lot of yapping in that thread but maybe that's just normal in her case
It is very normal
Like look at the thread before it
I'd bet 10K of the 19K is just random yap
I understand the survivor thread being a lot since she's been in that campaign for a long time
But hunter's a lot more fresh
cas invites conversation as far as I can tell
cas's threads are just fp generals at this point as most of people are there from here :D
And yet nobody yaps in my MSC thread often
youāre playing saint I canāt look in there 
I'm playing Inv actually
either way
you know in cas threads there is a lot of people who haven't played all campaigns
I've beaten every campaign, but from time to time bring up past things
Trueeeee
I just remember it a scoog I havenāt played
I myself like it because cas's reactions to stuff is just so awesome
Or trying to, game crashes before I can get food >:c (console moment)
it's my feel good novel :D
Real
should have completed monk then went straight to inv

I wonder if anyone played inv as their first campaign
why complete anything, why not go straight to the inv?
When I tried inv for a hot second I couldnāt get out of mc
Iāll come back later 
I think even then I would have platyed rw
lot more prone to spoilers/esxternal guides tho
They should just update the game so you have to beat inv before you unlock the other slugs
Bro
then the achievements would become a lot more rarer :D
0.001%
Ultimate FP experience (wait then us Console players are FUCKED bc MLLs crash the game, and the game is unstable on console when playing Inv)
How do you play the other campaigns if they crash you
No, only Inv (and Joop)
they temporarily ported the MLL crash to PC in 1.9.14 (got fixed in 1.9.15b)
sooo they may manage to revive moon but not really anything else done?
I assume so
question how do I have server booster colour on my nick instead of fphelper
You don't
so do I really need to do rwsc?
yeah
the colour is determined by the highest role you have, and the role order is global
yet you still don't have ascension
yeah I still gotta ascend
still can't over that fun fact? :D
Yes
SDM has every achievement except ascension
I am only 860 hours in rw so yeah bit of commitment
now I am wondering if I should do copycapt rwsc while doing my spear all porls getting read :D
just asking how it works i forgot
i know low quality hides it but i forgot if theres another catch to it
@west mango That was spoilers
Cas doesn't know the neuron is reset keys, they havent been to Pebs yet
As far as she know,s its just a green neuron
Oh right
"slag keys"
i quoted the pearl directly
Sorry then lol
should we nudge cas to go to pebbles for more lore?
I think they will go there on their own
Yea. Might be better to just wait.
i dont think they have time to go in this playthrough tho
@barren cargo caramel lizards are MSC-exclusive, plz delete
happens 

@slate patio sand lizards are probably salamanders considering they can sometimes be orangeish and they (i think) found them in shoreline
white lizards are also an option
that's what i was guessing, white is the only of the two that has a tongue
but he's determined it wasn't white, so I'm sending him on a hunt to find it again

and it qas in groups, which white lizards don't typically do
my other guess was misidentifying a sand colored scav
but those don't have tongues
alright I'm gonna leave this thread so I'm not tempted to look at it
see y'all in the future!

@west mango
plz delete that
Cas doesn't know I don't think
that you need 10 karma to ascend
Oh shit ur right
and besides, she doesn't know that Five Pebbles doesn't give 10 karma 
She's going to go there, realize she can't get in, decide to go to Five Pebbles for karma, realize that doesn't work, and then start planning the echo route.
Hopefully she didnāt see

Right one is
castrix reached CC
she finally took the better route
yoo
Image is soiler (falling blue lizord)
I think it's CC too
Anyways that's my contribution for the night
why is WAWA so common
this is terrible
Because wawa
Who doesn't love wawa
I've infected my friends with it and they don't even play this game
wawa is unloreful
Wawa
Just you wait, Watcher will make wawa canon
mute slugcats are better 
There is definitely something about just having an 100% creecher staring at you
They need to implement meowing into the game 
Sadly Cas doesn't seem to have figure out negative cycles yet...
STEALING THAT

Not yet :3
Maybe she will eventually but she hasnt tried surviving on 0 yet
@teal timber ceiling scorpion for dropwig (from Cas)
I do wonder how Cas spent 5 cycles going from Outskirts to HI CC gate. They were at 14 cycles left in the shelter below HI, then 9 at CC gate 

wasn't it only that you don't need to prime it?
Don't need to prime Gravel or the one in Sub
iirc that is
They're both always there no matter your karma level
james said it was Lore...
I've already prepared the cauldron
i have some news you may enjoy
you can angle your spear throws with momentum, throwing while at the beginning of a jump angles it up, throwing on the way down angles it down, and lots of cool stuff you can do with backflip momentum and slides
its so fun
Castrix is gonna find out that pebbles gives additional cycles
probably
I feel like Cas's thread is the best moderated
"I was not a medical facility even when the equipment was functioning, but I will attempt to do something to buy you a little time." Fucking brain blasts you

POW
@fluid timber read the guidelines here to increase your brain smorts
Guidelines are in pins
Thanks

What the hell
throws done whilst in a grab have a random angle I believe
might have been that
wh-
Trickshot
https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1351957803446833202
one of the fastest felper reactions I've seen for a WHILE
long tap/right click for context menu:
np

Doing that shit for Triplopia was another experience I cant imagine what going down would be like
Does she know? 

*she
Worming time
Shit yea my b
That's such a good reaction.
sure, whatever.
AI widen the image and add that S
Peak Art. With an F at the start of art.
unfortunately: #rules 14.
That's for memes tho š
Me when rule 14 encompasses the entire server:
I think she's already reasoned Hunter is before Surv, right?
Can't recall
Here it is I think
@late copper and please check the rules in the pinned messages here and pinned post.
This is holding true so far (excluding the purposefully doomed worm run
)
Being uncharitable to myself, I'll only count is as correct if she doesn't make it to moon this run
Fuuu Snailed
LMAO same braincell
Keep persevering castrix
You gotta keep going!
the power of motivational speeches that can not be seen
It fills you with DETERMINATION
For real though, I briefly forgot this wasn't Cas' thread 
Lmao
Does she know about the requirements to ascend? It seems easy to miss as survivor/monk


If she knew she prolly wouldnt be running immediately for Depths on the ascension attempt
@grave token usually people miss them because you can just run beneath it and it doesnāt do anything
Fair
You have to stand under it for awhile
Never seen one ingame
Stowaway
Hey numbers new one for the Chartā¢ļø 
Nvm you already have it

(Not at X karma
)
:p
lel

is this optimal rout or? idk hunter strats lol
Won't work without more echos
Best route I think is FA - SI - CC - TE - FP - TE - CC - IC - SC - SL - SB - End, at least for me
Passes by SI, CC, TE echoes plus FP
I prefer FA echo-SI echo-CC echo-TW echo (without Pebbs bc I'm like that)-CC-SI-FA-SB echo-Depths
Not even SL? How cruel 

I think I also used that route on my all hunter objectives run
That's the route I took, yeah
This does hit enough echoes if she gets both chimney and shaded
Only if she gets them, which she might not since Cas doesn't really know the requirements for ascension or what echos actually do outside of giving funny numerals
It does
Assuming meeting chimney, wall, SC echoes
Currently it seems like they will actually ascend this time around
She does know where SC echo is and she got 3 level ups already
She can very well win this time around cuz shes still got tons of cycles. On attempt 6 I think?
What Hunter does to you 
Attempt... 6 yea
man, i havent even completed a hunter run
Fuck you auto correct
hunter does weird things to you
and then expedition does same things but ^4
me who's been avoiding the echo goals
man, next expedition i do, i just gotta choose slugcat and press play, no more of this pick and choose stuf
or then you let someone else draft expedition for you
do u wanna do that
how hard you want?
also which scug, show me your proggression so far
survivor, relatively easy please, and this is my progression :,)
hmmmm so kill as many hard enemies as possible understood 
yeah do that
nsh is green
the puppet doesn't mean much because Moon's is blue and FP's is pink 
true 
and the other green thing is the Neurone/Pearl, which donāt really mean much either
@modern harness deletion request 
actually not really
the message itself is not a spoiler only bad advice
they don't have to follow it

And now a Monk playthrough will be in order soon 
lol

"Wait, thers no colored pearls?"
i wonder whats after monk
maybe arti? maybe gourm?
i dont think cas would do arti 1st
she likes scavs
Maybe Gourmand
She despised them during Hunter playthrough
Hunter has negative rep so she got to see that in full force :p
probably the Watcher 


inv time
The dialogue in sm campaign makes me think itās green *
I wonāt spoil my ideas in her play through 
yeah NSH's ID color is green and they seem to like it
in vanilla there's also the green overseer, it makes sense
@meager raven She doesnt have remix on
Oh ok
only applicable to Downpour canon though 
At this point I wanna almost suggest CAS to do scholar on hunter
(in MSC only)
The green overseer is vanilla, though, we just can't confirm it belongs to NSH.
yeah
but it seems likely
tbh I don't really see the likely; the puppet, neurone, and pearl don't really establish the green as being NSH's colour by themselves
well yeah but if we had to pick a color 
I see it being UI a bit more likely, even given that they are established to have sent an overseer before 
it has a datestamp, so vanilla 
i wonder if it was an intentional choice to not have any new datestamps in MSC
Does this count
still its existence implies more iterators
just very far away from the map
del later clarified that nsh wasn't meant to be a confirmation that it's nsh, but aligned with the leading theory at the time; the instructions were simply to draw an iterator puppet
Damb
tbh either way I made the messages with the assumption that the puppet is NSH's 
theory: green overseer can't be NSH's because overseers don't match the puppet in colour intentionally, to let them contrast themselves more against it 
oh I haven't seen those before, cooooool
srs overseer is red tho
which further backs up the theory because their puppet is yellow

(though only in Downpour canon as before)
Hm yes, 2 tiny lines of red over an entire body thats yellow
yeah but its still not completely avoiding the color scheme
To be fair I haven't even "unthought" that green means NSH
yeah-
Why would I think like that
theres a purple overseer right?
im gonna dig through the wiki to see what overseers are visible in hunter
At this point I'm more leaning towards "let's not bikeshed too much and call it 'there's no relationship between the color of an iterator and that of its overseer' "
k i looked and i think hunter can technically see every color of overseer, its just rare
i think its just, iterator chooses what color they are cause they make them, right?
i dont think the rules are strict enough to be like 'this overseer is too close in color to this iterator, so it cant be theirs'
also nsh causes significant harrassment, what if he chose green just because everyone elses overseer wasnt the same color as them š
The green overseer being NSH is mostly out of the green neuron + that's the only other iterator of focus in the campaign
srs cannon rocket launcher 
@jagged flame (this is the "Coordination Thread" we keep talking about)
we use it for coordinating advice or figuring out what someone has seen without their notice
This would involve knowing that the SI pealrs have 5 variations, of which he is present in ones she hasnt seen
Should we like, hint at it somehow?
The only way she would know is if she gets the right pearl dialogue and knowing the SI pearls are random isnt intuitive
What do we think chat
Smth like "Youve seen every pearl, but you haven't seen every dialogue" or smth
Altho the OS and IC pearls fit into that cuz she lost those
how bout just, 'read more pearls'?
tbh SI pearls is such a stupid mechanic that I think it'll fit to just explicitly state it 
wait SI pearls dialouge is random?
Yes
thats
SI has 2 pearls
do recall that mathematically the expected amount of playthroughs to get all 5 is 6
why
With 5 randomized dialogue to pick from
At this point yeah, just to save her the hassle, cause how tf is anyone gonna figure that out without comparing notes or looking at the code
btw how si porl variations work?
asking as it seems like in my sm porl collection run I have duplicates ;-;
SI has 2 pearls which pick a random dialogue upon being read iirc, like how white pearls pick a dialogue and stick with it
ah wait! there's a mistake in that
You physically cant get all 5 unless you dupe pearls before reading
namely, the two pearls are guaranteed to have different contents, which skews the probability
Should I tell Cas the SI pearl funkyness just to save her the trouble?
I think it's okay as a mechanic, just bad for blind fp lol
She still needs to do a new run to read the OS and IC pearls so she can do that too, if she knows beforehand
let's just sugggest hunter scholar :D
that makes it a bit harder tbh; i'll see how to calculate it 
So should I go ahead and tell her, or hint, or wait a bit?
msc adds 3 more pearls to SI and de-randomizes the dialogue
wait wait wait msc enabled, how many porls there is in SI?
5
I say don't tell her, at least for now
maybe once she's done with Monk, or if she asks for hints for stuff she's missed
alternately she could just play MSC 
Ight
ok I have created the Markov chain
time to see how to get an average
let h(x) be the expected value of playthroughs to get to X = 5 from X = x
h(5) = 0 by definition
h(4) = 1 + 0.4h(5) + 0.6h(4) (you take 1 step either way, so that's +1; that one ends with h(4) or h(5))
h(4) = 1 + 0.6h(4) (substitute h(5) = 0); 0.4h(4) = 1; h(4) = 2.5
sanity check: X = 4 switching to X = 5 has the First Success distribution with parameter 0.4; its expected value of 1/p is indeed 2.5
h(3) = 1 + 0.3h(3) + 0.6h(4) + 0.1h(5) = 1 + 0.3h(3) + 1.5; 0.7h(3) = 2.5; h(3) = 25/7
h(2) = 1 + 0.1h(2) + 0.6h(3) + 0.3h(4) = 1 + 0.1h(2) + 15/7 + 0.75; 0.9h(2) = (28 + 15*4 + 3*7)/28 = 109/28; h(2) = 1090/252 = 545/126
h(0) = 1 + h(2) = 671/126
so that's approximately 5.3253... playthroughs
the estimate without taking into account that the two Pearls cannot have the same dialogue was 11.41(6) readings, which would translate to 5.708(3) playthroughs at 2 readings per playthrough
so it is an improvement
but not as big as it seems 
Pearl-hunting as the Hunter 
well I guess that's the only way she can do it without resetting her Survivor save, soo
(she doesn't know that of course)
She can open another save slot in settings right?
What if we just tell her the SI pearls are randomized
But don't tell her what or why
Just like
"Hey fun fact..."
no
Ok
rivulet moves substantially faster, i think they will have fun on it
Riv is actually too fast for me to pick as the main explorer

Too fast that I can't appreciate the view
There's this mind that if you drive fast you need to look farther ahead
And also very slippery for parkour :P
https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1351238353239933011 As neat as this is this is less of a guide and more just straight directions to beat the game
True...cringe?
RW doesnt have a proper guide because it benefits from not having one, players have to think for themselves how to deal with encounters and survive
Having a 'guide' tell you literally everything defeats the point of the entire game
yeah, though ig a guide on just, where to go would help, but having someone be like, oh thats a lizard, hit it with a rock to flip it over then stun lock stab it to death, would be boring
<--- totally didnt have this happen
I dunno
Because honestly I do not vibe with all that xd
I... don't like that that is somewhere where new playes can see it and think "oh I should just follow this!" Like, it'd still be their fault for spoiling themselves, but it being so readily accessible is... offputting to me
yeah
Ill get the felper staff here cuz honestly idk what to do here
actually-
its right next to the guide, ppl are gonna click and read
regardless of if they mean to spoil themselves or not
i know i'd click on it
im stupid
@atomic locust @tranquil mulch Felper staff needed ^^^
Not sure what to do about this
only time I have looked at guide was while trying to beat hunter, I don't regret looking at the guide and only reason for that is the fact I found very very good friend by that way.
kinda regret tho that I looked that guide as well as I did tho
i was watching the thread but i didnt vibe either so i left 
the reason there arent guides like that is because it makes the game less fun
defining everything for a new player takes the joy out of figuring things out
its just next to it because they sent the most recent messages
but yes it is misleading for a new person here
and posting the maps in their guide makes it so if you were following it you wouldnt experience every room but just rush through areas taking the fastest path
also telling people to ignore the leg and underhang
One of the best areas in the game for the buildup that leads to FP and the Stargazer room
i understand it is hard but i feel like it is way more interesting to actually see fp region instead of climbing the wall too
Just completely skip that entire area and go straight for the story relevant part of the game, completely skipping that fact of the players needing to learn how to survive instead of being caught in the throes of Illusion of Progression
and i dont think a lot of new people will just figure out how to throw a spear downward
I'm not even opposed to their thing. It's good to have a guide somewhere I just don't think it should be there where it's easily found. If you need a guide you should have to work for it imo
i dont think guides work with rainworld
the threads here exist as a good way to ask questions and have a helper
rain world is like those things where the consumer of the material also has to put work into it otherwise its just not entertaining, like ARGs or that one book from lke... the 80-90s
like, i followed i guide specifically to beat surv campaign as fast as i could, wasnt memorable in the slightest and not that fun tbh, only really had fun with the game when i started branching off on my own and doing movement tech and, now, expedition
gurm playthrough was so fun for me bc, even though i had looked at the wiki beforehand to see crafting recipies, i completely forgot all of them so i got to have fun trying to figure them all out again
i feel like this story was unnessesary 
Hunter guides work but they are more of pathing guides
cas did hunter without a guide
really a player can formulate a plan on their own through trial and error 
I personally wouldn't have had enough will power do hunter multiple times
Especially when I had nobody to update my progression to at the time being while doing hunter
being able to share my experience is 100% why im still trying expedition lol
Yeah the fact there is possibility to have someone to share the journey makes trial and error more fun
well you would at least try it blind a couple times before looking for answers ya?
honestly even if people werent responding on the thread, the posibility of people being able to see it is fun enough for me to keep going lol, maybe i should make a thread thing for watcher playthrough...
I did 2 hunter runs before looking for guide :D
thats my main point anyway
no guide until you at least tried it
Became very very familiar with back upping during those runs
back upping?
still more fun to headbutt the wall until you get a route worked out 
It's starvation from the wish
Tbh if I knew about starvation I would have not touched back ups
oh yeah i literally just figured out the starve strat like 2 hours ago, when the.... LF_A14 happened
if I had known about starving then I wouldn't have used backups
but I agree the pebble's guide is too easily accessible for newbies
and contains too much
I originally thought they would try to make guide while documenting run something like castrix's thread has turned into
It looks like the thread's been locked so should I jsut close it? Cuz its still visible since its open
wait you can lock threads? or can only mods do that
like, can you lock your own thread
I didnt lock it and I doubt another felper locked it so staff probably did
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imo we need to talk with the OP of that thread before just straight up deleting their thread
deleting thread without any context just leaves bad taste in my mouth
im still tryna figure out how im gonna go about doccumenting my watcher run, thats why im asking about locking threads
Closing threads moves it to the bottom of the forum list separately from open threads
I havent deleted a thread before iirc I jsut close unused ones
how to document watcher run?
open channel at your own discord for it
I will definetely document my watcher playthrough to my own private discord server because why not
closing may be fine, but still leaves bad taste to my mouth if we do not communicate with the OP here
Yea
I dont wanna touch it yet unless theres confirmation to close it
I pinged felper staffers earlier so idk what theyre doing regarding the thread xd

im smart

i alr have my own discord server for stuff similar to this

and i didnt think of it

i truly have 300 iq
make a google doc 
then you can share it more easily
but but I only need to share it with one person unless people here wanna see it :D
i was about to say yes, then remembered im trying to avoid soilers XD
I do but obviously after I play watcher myself 
dw me playing watcher will take some months before I manage to finish it
as I will want to enjoy it to fullest
and I still am so much of off from my goal of reaching 2,5k playtime on rw
Of what
why?
wait hold on
nvm yeah i just read up a bit to see if they knew what scavs were
i need to
think more
flagging stuff is fine, but next time ask rather, is this a spoiler?
I think Cas has every vanilla achievement except one now
Also if she finds the other SI dialogue sheāll learn the full name of NSH
Eeeeeee
@meager raven cas doesnt know who that is yet








