Old FP Guide Coordination [Archived]

[glad void]

[grave token]

I... don't think lizards can ever be full
They continue eating and taking stuff to their dens no matter how much they already have taken

[quick elk]

I more thought that it would lead to figuring out why feeding 1 food per cycle isn't enough. Besides the scug bar is pretty big to fill from the zero so I don't think that'd be a problem

[grave token]

True

[glad void]

their food bar goes on forever the line is just at a certain spot

or they’re just storig it

[grave token]

You lost your neuron privileges/silly

[modern harness]

She finally got it

[glad void]

[modern harness]

Also shouldnt she be sleeping rn or lmao

[glad void]

redzard more important

[modern harness]

[lapis talon]

It’s almost 11 for her I think

11pm

[twin ridge]

castrix's sleep cycle is entirely dependent on when she gets tired of rain world for the day

[grave stag]

I mean she could but it's not too late tho. and I am pretty good spawning around midnight to her thread and saying go to sleep if I catch her chatting there :D

[grave token]

First pearl me thinks

[modern harness]

(They jsut reached leg)

[glad void]

the karma requirement is also 1 going back

i think

[modern harness]

Yea

[turbid bane]

Does that mean five pebbles is an easy area

And exterior

And etc

[grave stag]

imo if it out of the blue changes to lowest karma requirements both sides it's disgustingly hard one then

[modern harness]

The Leg's gates arent low because its easy, its low so you can get tf back out

[tulip summit]

Pfpfpf if the game taught me anything, the absence of karma requirements on the way out means that the area has a potential to torture you and you'll be crawling to the gate

[grave stag]

and while crawling to the gate you still will die few times in the process

[modern harness]

Cant wait for them to see Pebbles condition

[turbid bane]

[tranquil mulch]

@west mango castrix has Remix disabled, the notable exceptions don't exist

and i think it may be spoilery but I'm unsure

[grave stag]

not that spoilery, but we surely know this will lead cas just go and fetch every possible creature to the moon

[west mango]

I don’t think it’s really any more of a spoiler than saying none have dialogue

Ig she’ll still get the dialogue for the jellyfish even if the rest are disabled tho (it’s technically not a creature but it looks like one)

[west mango]

Oh nvm she already mentioned it

[glad void]

[modern harness]

[tranquil mulch]

would it be good to tell Castrix that SI pearls have 5 entries in the dialogue pool

[modern harness]

Uhh not sure

[tranquil mulch]

as to , accompany the two lost blue pearls on a second playthrough

[modern harness]

Maybe

@barren cargo You can look at pins in this channel for tips on how to help new players

Anywho, telling players anything related to "Moon has lore" is spoilers

[barren cargo]

fair

[modern harness]

Like, heavy spoilers
Also, they may not even be able to do anything cuz they mightve killed Moon, so

[barren cargo]

idk tho im willing to say something like this cause theres no guarantee they will continue the game after this even

[modern harness]

And thats fine

[barren cargo]

small push just to learn the world way more and possibly enjoy the game more i feel like i would like if i was a newer player

[modern harness]

The lore is not intuitive and its the player's decision whether they want to run across the entire map or read the wiki instead
Most players dont even realize Moon talks if you bring her things, not much is lost

If they want to find lore, they can ask about it after the fact

[glad void]

i think we want to keep the gameplay experience as close to normal (without making a fp thread) as possible

unless someone specifically wants help

[modern harness]

Dropping info that 1 specific character gives you 99% of all lore should be something they choose to know

[barren cargo]

my initial message wasnt even that though but i get you

[modern harness]

This is the first time Ive seen someone angry at the fact downspearing is necessary for FP-Wall
Grappling worm also exists but

[crisp remnant]

You're not really supposed to climb up the wall anyways. If you want to you need to learn how to downspear, I don't get why that would make them angry

[teal timber]

It's balanced around Six Grains of Gravel, Mountains Abound being there.

That's the reward for climbing the Wall, not necessarily Five Pebbles.

[olive pulsar]

Hey guys

Well anyways Im the guy whos mad about the wall so let me just elaborate

Downspearing isn’t intuitive, Iggy doesn’t teach it to you, a new player could get there and have absolutely no idea how to get up (not all people take a worm up the wall) and if you ask here people will tell you to learn it, but what if you can’t?

Something I love about Rain World is how it has a bunch of obscure, complicated and sometimes insanely hard to pull offmovement tech that you don’t actually need, downspearing you do need, and that just feels mean (Ive never complained about Rain World being mean before)

And I know that going up the wall isn’t intended but so many people do it anyways because they die in underhang too much or flat out miss the gate into Pebbles

And they climb the wall only to not be able to get up

Obviously some new players figure it out

But Im sure plenty don’t

Some might just not have the dexterity to do it, I was one of them

Sorry for like the ranting that’s just something I’ve been wanting to get off my chest for two years man that feels good

[crisp remnant]

I think that's fine. Even if they drop the game and never come back, I think that's fine. If you know how to downspear or figure it out, great! but if you don't you can go back down the wall and into underhang, or through chimney canopy.
As someone who has only recently become able to (somewhat) consistently backflip I can understand your frustration with the mechanic but it is strictly optional. There are many ways to waste time in Rain world or find dead ends, the wall is just one. If that makes someone stop playing, then Rain World might not be for them

[modern harness]

RW doesn't cater to players. It will make things difficult and it wont care. If players give up on the game for it, that's fine, the game isn't for them

[crisp remnant]

All my own opinion, obviously. I have a bad habit of not saying that

[dark tiger]

I'm a bit biased because that one entrance was one of the few times I looked it up externally

I'm not sure if it's fair to consider downspearing as that much different from rolling and sliding

[modern harness]

Thats why I called it a basic move

Its not some stupid crazy shit like extended slides

[dark tiger]

Swimming is poorly explained to the player, that does not mean that the devs intended for swimming to be a difficult or obtuse mechanic

[modern harness]

Its some basic you can combine with other things if youre able to

[olive pulsar]

Its still very annoying and demoralising to have to backtrack after all that struggle, saying that the game isn’t for someone because they get frustrated at one part of the game (a part which is in my opinion an absolute pisstake) is quite frankly ridiculous

[dark tiger]

I would be fine with telling them how to downspear at that moment, but I'm biased because of my exposure to RW

I'm usually a stickler for not spoiling things but this is one aspect I'm a lot more forgiving to

[modern harness]

Also like 23848 said, your reward for climbing wall is the echo and karma increase
If you cnat get any further, you at leats get that

[dark tiger]

This, and the void sea "light" section

Telling them how to downspear is not going to ruin any experience for them, is my logic

[olive pulsar]

I know the game rarely caters to players but having what to many people is complicated movement tech (simply because they aren’t as dexterous) to progress is just flat out annoying

I cant downspear for the life of me

[dark tiger]

It's intuitive as hell

[crisp remnant]

Frustration is a part of the process. And again, it's not required to progress

[dark tiger]

Un*

[crisp remnant]

Just go another way

[olive pulsar]

Still incredibly frustrating to go up there for something that a new player wouldn’t understand

[dark tiger]

The game is not intended to be frustrating

At least not so overtly

[olive pulsar]

In this case it is overtly frustrating to many people

It is the one part of my favourite game I could be said to dislike

[dark tiger]

I've given my two cents so I'll leave it at that

[crisp remnant]

It wasn't intended to be no, but I think it's what it it (death of the author and whatnot)

[dark tiger]

That is not what death of the author is intended for

[crisp remnant]

Shuuuusshshsh

I'm using it in a fully understandable way

Even if it's not "correct"

[dark tiger]

And I'd still disagree

[olive pulsar]

I have no idea what you’re talking about now

[crisp remnant]

The game wasn't intended to be frustrating or overly difficult, the devs have said so. I do, however, believe that it is, inherently frustrating and kind of difficult. And that that is a core part of the experience

[olive pulsar]

But as I was saying, yes the game doesn’t pander the player, yes it is slightly frustrating at times, yes you will have to backtrack but usually you learn something if you do

If you backtrack from the wall all you learn is never to bother going up there again because you don’t know how to get up and it is not even remotely intuitive (imo)

[modern harness]

Are we going to forget the echo and free +2 karma increase

You learn something

[olive pulsar]

Something

[crisp remnant]

Well, all you get it the karma. The echo means nothing to you until you get to 5p

[olive pulsar]

Still not enough to make the journey worth it if uou ask me

[olive pulsar]

This too

You get two extra karma so what

[dark tiger]

what are the chances that the player misses FP entirely

[olive pulsar]

The experience teaches you nothing

And leaves you with a bad taste in your mouth

[glad void]

if it was a player’s first echo i don’t really think it would ?

[crisp remnant]

Okay, but here's a question. If you spend a bunch of time drowning in drainage system just to get to the other side and come back out in outskits. You've learened nothing and gotten nowhere but you probably wouldn't consider that as annoying as the wall right

[olive pulsar]

You learn swimming mechanics

You may learn about new food sources

[crisp remnant]

You really don't trust me. That was me

I still suck at swimming

[olive pulsar]

The wall teaches you about dropwigs which don’t even spawn commonly as surv and thats basically it

[modern harness]

Again, the echo exists
You get +2 karma buffer for passing gates easier without worrying of how to keep your karma up if a region is tough

[olive pulsar]

Regardless

You learn absolutely nothing

Your time is practically wasted

[dark tiger]

it's more likely the player goes left and misses FP entirely

[grave token]

New players see DS, and can't figure it out and drop the game 90% of the time they enter, and not everyone is sticking stuff in water and such

[olive pulsar]

True

DS is a new player trap

[modern harness]

Karma buffer
Its not completely wasted

[olive pulsar]

But i guess with the Wall its personal for me

[crisp remnant]

I just think you're super biased against the wall for no real reason when there are lots of situations like that in RW

[olive pulsar]

My point still stands imo

It is a pisstake up there

For some people anyways

[grave token]

I personally LOVE the wall, it's a good region and has good enemies FUCK YOU DROPWIGS

[glad void]

at least you get pretty view

[olive pulsar]

Me too

But a pole up there at the top

Would be very nice

[glad void]

the wall is fun before it morphs into white lizard hell

[dark tiger]

It's good. It's awesome. Being stuck at the top because you don't know an unintuitive but easy piece of tech is annoying

the point is that the player is gated from FP, and what's worth telling them

not that the wall is bad

[modern harness]

As much as your point makes sense, saying you learn absolutely nothing when the echo is right there is understating it
Downspearing being inuntuitive is why we give out the information when it comes up

[grave token]

That last part can be true, but usually it's easier to just figure smth out instead of back tracking

[modern harness]

Also, Just from what Im seeing I think youre projecting your own feelings onto what other players might feel when I dont remember seeing a single other player in the fp forums getting so angry at the TW-FP connection even after being told about downspears

Ive seen a lot of people here and I have very few memories of people being consistently upset at that room in particular

[dark tiger]

most people go through the UW entrance, no?

[modern harness]

Usually yeah, otherwise they figure out grappling and skip to TW or they meander into TW from CC

[twin ridge]

Well since the first playthrough system was changed, we've had one pilgrimage first playthrough iirc

[crisp remnant]

I genuinely have no idea how someone would get to the wall through underhang blind. Some of the jumps are just so weird

[modern harness]

Castrix did it

[grave token]

Once I found the wall My very first playthrough I didn't figure out there were other ways into 5P so I mean

[dark tiger]

i did it lol

[crisp remnant]

Did she! I forgot lmao

[dark tiger]

you just go left

[twin ridge]

Yea she entirely skipped the underhang gate and just went up wall instead

World's strongest grapple worm supporter

[grave token]

I actually enjoy Underhang as a whole now

[twin ridge]

Can't wait to tell her about acrobat

[crisp remnant]

Underhang is fun now, the jumps felt hellish back then. Especially the one where you have to drop on the yellows

[twin ridge]

I quite like underhang, yea

[glad void]

[modern harness]

Lets also mention how Moon is quite literally jsut a giant dead end area

At most, you start glowing but theres nothing else to do

[twin ridge]

Exactly the same as wall except you get even less and there's actually nothing else there

[crisp remnant]

Moon at least lets you know there are spoopy robits

[modern harness]

Players whove been to Shaded figure out they can use the glow for something but arachnophobes still suffer anyways

[dark tiger]

moon isnt particularly difficult to get to, though, and the entrance to SC is very close

[modern harness]

True

[dark tiger]

i would not consider it in the same vein as the wall

[modern harness]

Altho Ive seen thalasophobes struggle with The Swim, plus the levi doesnt help xd

[dark tiger]

also, the issue with the wall is that the button presses for downspearing are awful. It's picky enough that it feels like a definitive oversight

[grave token]

Subnautica flashbacks

[modern harness]

True

[glad void]

subnautica is infinitely worse than shoreline

[olive pulsar]

Its not only unintuitive, it’s impossible for some people

Thats what annoys me

[modern harness]

Idk how good of an alternative roll pouncing is for getting up that jump

[olive pulsar]

Not being able to progress easily simply because i physically cant move my fingers well enough

[glad void]

learning the timing for max height roll pouncing is kind of tricky if you’ve never really done it before

[modern harness]

True

[crisp remnant]

If a downspear is too technically difficult a roll pounce is not it lol

[olive pulsar]

Roll pouncing is much nicer agreed

[glad void]

[olive pulsar]

But even less intuitive imo

[crisp remnant]

I cannot for the life of me roll or slide or anything

But I can downspear

[olive pulsar]

I didn’t know how to roll let alone roll pounce on my first play through

So yeah its definitely a biased opinion but Id say its still a valid one

[grave token]

I can roll pounce, up and down spear semi consistently (backflips are very consistent), and inconsistent slides

[olive pulsar]

Having to downspear to progress in such a linear region is really annoying

[glad void]

i lovr rain world movement because celeste

[grave token]

You don't need to downspear, there's always ctf's /silly

[glad void]

and vaults

M

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[twin ridge]

CTVs can get up to that pipe without a spear at all smh
should just figure out the frame perfect inputs on your first playthrough

[olive pulsar]

Why didn’t i think of that

Silly me

[glad void]

yeah it’s that easy

[dark tiger]

devtools any%

[glad void]

ctvs are pretty intuitive right

who isn’t going to figure out how to do a first frame crawl turn cancel and then slide inputs five ticks later

[olive pulsar]

I figured them out in IC

I just can’t believe i didn’t think of that when i climbed the wall

Or a vault, which some might argue is even easier to pull off

[glad void]

the overseer was guiding me to the blue fruit in the tutorial so i did a vault to get to them

[olive pulsar]

Me too

Its the intended thing to do

Clearly

If q new player can’t figure that out maybe the game isn’t for them

[modern harness]

Me when <@&1121561248027377734>

[crisp remnant]

I don't know if you're joking but I'm not going to take being mocked. I said if getting up the wall and not being able to progress is too frustrating for players then maybe they won't enjoy the rest of teh game, which has lots of dead ends, time wasting, and unintuitive mechanics. Having a difference of opinions is fine, please do not mock my opinons just because you disagree. If that was just intended as a joke, then I apologize

[shrewd timber]

I think he's joking

And that he was talking abt ctf/ctvs and not downspear

[late copper]

sorry for text wall
Climbing up the wall is absolutely intended, getting to FP from it isn't - at least not originally. Before 1.5, downspearing didn't exist, old grapple worm physics made it strictly harder to ascend the wall with one than without, using one to pass the downspear segment was (nearly?) impossible, and FP had no unique dialogue for players entering from the wall (which explains the seemingly arbitrary inconsistency in the current version regarding how much the player is allowed to progress, depending on whether or not they carried a grapple worm all the way to the top/learned downspearing).

I do not think that such a long and difficult segment as the Wall leading to only a dead end is in character for the game. While the Wall is not "just" a dead end, I don't think the echo by itself is enough to justify it, nor do I think that's all the devs intended for it. Seeing as there's conveniently another echo in CC right as they exit UW, and 5/6 of the game's echoes are on the path westwards from UW to SB (you're almost guaranteed to come across three of their locations as long as you reach LF, 4 if including SB), I think it's intended as a sort of tutorial for echoes to potentially facilitate a Pilgrimage run. (I also just find it strange to think that, in the case of players who enter the Wall from Underhang, the "intended" way to beat the game from there would be to go back through Memory Crypts and UW and then to SS this time. You're intentionally given the choice between the gate to SS or the Wall).

It's unfortunate that neither of the two requirements to meet echoes other than UW are intuitive, nor are either really hinted at by the UW echo. Most players simply leave the UW echo feeling confused due to how unexpected and short the sequence is.

[grave token]

[glad void]

[grave token]

[lapis talon]

IMO they should make the underhang-fp gate easier to get thru, or at least encourage going into it more.

Otherwise it just funnels players into CC and probably end up in industrial again after giving up trying to find a shelter in SI

Whcih is a big loop and discourages them from coming back, stopping them from finding fp

[tranquil mulch]

How about we just revert to 1.01 to remove downspear

[modern harness]

So true
There cant be a problem with performing downspears if there is no downspear

[dark tiger]

Going to give us legacy grapple worm controls too?

[late copper]

Both downspearing and new grapple worms I feel are bandaid fixes for more fundamental problems. Giving the player a way to enter FP from the wall but only if they kept their worm/learned the tech, otherwise they get the 1.01 experience of going back down the wall to CC. And they can still go directly to CC without even finding the echo

[turbid bane]

Igna isnt that graffiti a bit too soilery for cas

[shrewd timber]

I found it odd that for a game which usually had regions have at least 3 gates, SI and FP are very linear. I do wish that the TW entrance had been designed to be more intended to better fit the vibe of "impassable, without knowledge", and not make it feel like you're sequence breaking the game. I think UH -> TW bringing a grapple worm like with Cas is the best of both worlds, and CC -> TW bringing the grapple worm is a more noob friendly substitute, but there's probably a better way of doing it

I will say as someone who did enter to FP through TW, my experience of the game did not at all feel diminished by downspearing. Climbing up the sides of mechanical and living structures gave me getting over it vibes, and reaching the apex to meet something so unknowable it breaks your understanding of the karma system was so satisfying. Even if I downspeared to get to FP, it felt natural. I might have been able to pass the kelp in SC eventually, but I do feel both routes are valid ways of playing the game.

I used to be an UH-FP gate hater but now I've come to understand the narrative impact, and besides the grapple worm will bring you to FP regardless :moinksilly:

[lapis talon]

Yeah good points, for my first playthru I just threw myself against the UH-Wall connection area until I got past lol.

[shrewd timber]

Once again players are trolled by the CC right side being useless

I wanna make an extended CC that makes a second connection to the top areas at the right
And then have it connect to SC

[lapis talon]

Actually that’s a good idea

[modern harness]

Its unused graffiti idk what it could be spoilering

[lapis talon]

And not drainage, idk why they added that in Downpour

[shrewd timber]

Make it like a pseudo leg idk
Haven't thought about it much but that general idea has been on the back of my mind for a whilr

[shrewd timber]

I honestly don't hate it in terms of placement

Placement as in -> how it fits in the lore

Gameplay wise it's a bit out the beaten path, and the path to it from DS is hard to access so it fails as a softlock bypass for the right side lol

[lapis talon]

Yeah I like it in that sense
But it doesn’t add all that much to the gameplay

[shrewd timber]

At least the threat music is FIRE

Hidden paths feel so wrong in downpour

I don't know why they were so liberal with them lmao

[shrewd timber]

Wait the access point closest to the right side is hidden too WHYYYYY

[twin ridge]

Pipeyard feels so wrong in downpour...

[shrewd timber]

This is the only good one

I won't take pipeyard slander in this chat

It's a perfectly fine region!!!

Sump tunnel is bad but it's fiiiiine

[twin ridge]

The top half isn't bad
The bottom half is awful

And navigation isn't great all round

[shrewd timber]

Bottom half just makes pipe + filtration more of a maze lol but I don't really hate it

I can see why ppl wouldn't like it

But I fw it

[late copper]

maybe a year ago I had the idea of making the right side of CC grapple worm focused and changing the layout to encourage the player to explore that part. then they could bring a worm to UW

There was a player a while back who got to FP from the Wall using a squid from SI

[olive pulsar]

This is what I was trying to say its just silly to me how the game makes you do all that for almost nothing, you don’t learn anything about the echo and you don’t learn anything from it because you can’t understand it

And the fact that you can progress further if you can pull off what is in my opinion a complicated movement tech is a punch to the gut to those who can’t, when they realise how close they were to pebbles after they go in the other way and exit at the top

I guess that is just my own personal experience tho

[late copper]

Some players find the climb up the wall wholly impactful even if they don't go to FP, even if they don't make any connection to the existence of other echoes, what with the ascension above the clouds and reveal of the full scale of the world. But if the devs wanted players to start meeting other echoes after this, then they completely failed. They didn't even make it one you have to prime then come back to, so most players won't suspect any relation when they see the echo flash effect at other locations.

I don't think I've seen any Pilgrimage completion where all the echoes weren't activated completely by accident, without outside help

[olive pulsar]

I never would’ve figured out echoes without the wiki

It’s another unintuitive feature

[crude oxide]

you're very likely to encounter the UW echo on your first playthrough tho

[olive pulsar]

Yeah but as exist said it doesn’t really teach you how to meet more echoes considering it doesn’t need to be primed

This is regardless of whether it can speak to you or not

[crude oxide]

i agree

[tranquil mulch]

It does, however, establish the effect as being Echo-related.

So if you see the effect again in the form of a flash after entering another room, you may suspect it being related to the same.

[late copper]

the UW echo doesn't have a flash

the only similarity is they're both blue

[tranquil mulch]

right, I just misworded it a bit

The flash temporarily slows down time as well, yeah?

[late copper]

mm yeah

[olive pulsar]

True

[late copper]

it's definitely not direct enough

[olive pulsar]

But they might not revisit the room

See for example if the UW echo mentioned something (even vague) about other echoes it might give players more clues to find them

But you don’t always stumble upon echo rooms, they are usually off the most direct route

So there is no guarantee a player will find them or figure out the priming mechanic

[late copper]

not always, the UW, CC, SI, and LF (if entered from SU) echoes are very likely to be encountered

[olive pulsar]

True

[tranquil mulch]

SB Echo is also in a very prominent spot, though only from one gate.

[olive pulsar]

I always thought the SI and CC ones weren’t tho

SB and UW are really the only ones that are almost guaranteed to find if you follow FPs instructions

[late copper]

if you explore just a bit at the top of CC you'll find it. SI is less likely I guess

SB can be missed

[olive pulsar]

Not if you enter from FA which is the most common route (technically still missable there but very very unlikely )

[tranquil mulch]

SH baits you with a Batfly room and so may be naturally primed when you simply were trying to refill your stomach.

On my first playthrough, I got SH, CC, LF, SB, and UW Echoes, and all but SB were pre-FP

[olive pulsar]

SH was still the last echo I ever found lmao

[late copper]

I don't think it's uncommon. many players don't think to hug the right wall and jump full-force across the pit

[olive pulsar]

On my first play through I think I only got the UW one

[olive pulsar]

True

Still definitely not as off the beaten path as other echoes tho

[tranquil mulch]

oh and I also just climbed down The Wall post-UW echo because I didn't know of a way to reach the top pipe

[olive pulsar]

Me too

Worst part is that I knew how to get up (thanks wiki) but I didn’t have (and still don’t) the dexterity to pull it off

That is where my intense hatred of UW_A12 began

[atomic locust]

they kinda set it up so that committing to one direction gets you echo or pearl

[grave token]

Is this supposed to happen
(The leviathan spawn)

[late copper]

ball

[quick elk]

yes

It even has a special tag so it is golden

[grave token]

[grave token]

Oh that makes more sense, I was wondering bc I didn't recall seeing a leviathan myself

[glad void]

we need the obligatory repost and the 3 fun facts

[grave token]

ON IT

[glad void]

i’ll do fun facts i guess

i always forget what the third one is

something about the music

the music that plays when swimming up in the void sea is an edited and reversed version of monk/survivor’s first cutscene music

[atomic locust]

nuh uh

thats still spoilers until actual ending is reached

oh nvm i see

[grave token]

They reached the ending

[glad void]

it has been

can my messages NOT SEND 15 SECONDS LATE

[atomic locust]

send a message replying to this within 3 seconds for a TRILLION DOLLARS!!!

awww dang too late 😢

[glad void]

i wasn’t even looking that time

[glad void]

another

[grave token]

Facts and repost reposted

Long FP opening message spotted

Didn't mean to forward that

#1350141427253907600 message

Spoiled the OP

[glad void]

@thick silo you can see guidelines gor helping new players in the pins here

[late copper]

where did they mention having been to shoreline? it seems they've only been to drainage and sub

[glad void]

also you don’t even get told that looks to the moon is the robot just the subregion

@barren cargo drainage system has a connection to filtration system

[barren cargo]

oh what

did not know that

[glad void]

[tranquil mulch]

and tbh the subregion is more deserving to be called Looks to the Moon than the puppet

[glad void]

[grave token]

[modern harness]

[quick elk]

she is close to figuring that part out

She already knows about the great problem, just need to connect the dots

[grave token]

Another one keeping worms

[modern harness]

[grave token]

[latent fractal]

[modern harness]

Me when Spearmaster pearl

[grave token]

That's why I passaged

[modern harness]

"this quest isnt necessary" is literally on the last leg of story ending

[dark tiger]

the humble passage

[modern harness]

They used up all theri passages they had unlocked so fae

far

Time to walk the walk

[late copper]

#1350201797142380595 message @vernal tulip monk exclusive

[grave token]

[thick silo]

I just misunderstood since they said "water region" I guess.

[tulip summit]

If you squint, pebbles was working on stopping the rain from his can

[tranquil mulch]

FP never even started working on personal Ascension, messing up in an earlier stage of self-genome modification

and after that, he focussed more so on his own survival as noted in Hunter's monologue with As other endeavors have proven futile, I'm not ashamed to admit I've become more invested in day to day matters.

[meager raven]

"chimney"

OP doesn't respond

[vernal tulip]

Oh huh really?

Wait holdup but ive had it as survivor too..

Mustve imagined it i guess

[grave token]

[grave token]

@radiant night if you eat all of moon's neurons she's permanently dead even if you bring more

[radiant night]

oh really

I’m not sure why I thought otherwise

my brain being silly

[grave token]

Also, the pins in this thread are worth your while if you're gonna help others

[radiant night]

I already read it

[grave token]

[tranquil mulch]

unless you duped the NSHSwarmer, playing as Hunter

[grave token]

But the playthrough in question is playing Surv so

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1350485347196469270

[radiant night]

killing moon hurts me so I only did it once 💔💔

Shouldn’t the pinned helper application be updated to the 2025 one

[grave token]

There's a different one for this year

[radiant night]

I saw it in announcements

https://tinyurl.com/rw-helper-application

maybe it’s just the same with a different name

[tranquil mulch]

embeds are attached directly to the message rather than being generated by the client and therefore do not update when the underlying link's target is updated

you can see that the message uses a tinyurl rather than a direct link to the form

[radiant night]

If someone clicked on the embed it still goes to the right place then?

[tranquil mulch]

you can see that the embed leads to the exact same tinyurl link

[radiant night]

[craggy dragon]

@tranquil mulch

[grave token]

Telling OP to use the wiki for pearl hunting

[delicate lance]

[grave token]

I believe this is deserving of THE PING

[delicate lance]

if you think so, go for it

[grave token]

<@&1137895527271379055>

Telling the OP to use the wiki/ guides

(Apologies if this seems like a bad use of the ping, but the wiki contains all spoilers for the game so I think it's justified)

[silver musk]

I feel like it's a fair advice tbh the person is past the late game and does collection hunting. That would be an issue if they posted maps or actual guides instead of giving directions

[dark tiger]

have they done all the campaigns yet? I'd agree if they had - it's easy to get sidetracked on the wiki

[tranquil mulch]

@teal timber trumpet bug as a name for adult noodleflies

(showed up in a wiki edit, reverted it since it didn’t meet the criterion for inclusion but it is still an undocumented name)

[teal timber]

[grave token]

Is... Nomad MSC exclusive?

[tiny glacier]

Yes

And there is no such thing as “tube land”

[grave token]

*sigh *

Wait what the

I just saw a sc of someone who got the Nomad in a vanilla FP thread but now I can't find it

[tiny glacier]

[grave token]

I swear I did

But it's gone I can't find it

[tiny glacier]

[grave token]

I'm just as confused as you are

I genuinely can't find it what the hell

[tiny glacier]

Maybe it was all a dream

[grave token]

Turns out I wasn't crazy after all

[late copper]

that is an msc thread

whar

[barren cargo]

probably mixed it up cause initially it was a vanilla thread

then was told to move it to msc cause had the dlc enabled

[grave token]

We have new Felpers since when

[crude oxide]

didn't you apply for felpers too?

[grave token]

Yup

Might be in the backlog though

[crude oxide]

so did i

[grave token]

I mean like... eh, I'll become felper eventually

[gray musk]

:( good luck next time.

[grave token]

could also have been because I changed my actual username not just my display name

[meager raven]

I applied too

[grave token]

Message contains dp content in a vanilla forum

[tranquil mulch]

@grave token small note, #1272670046434492426 is not a <@&1206312795692597299> channel

[grave token]

Oh

I swear it was

But wdym by "post-beating" the game??
That's all I'm really confused by your message

[tranquil mulch]

he has ascended

so RW has been beaten

[grave token]

Oh

I didn't understand the way you originally said it

[tranquil mulch]

It never was as long as the channel existed, though the old First Playthrough system indeed locked MSC ones behind the role.

well, not old old, idk if the Downpour role even existed when it was split between text channels rather than threads in forums

the previous one, rather

[grave token]

I might be crazy, but when I first joined the server I didn't see the MSC threads without the downpour role so that's a mistake on my part

[grave stag]

Since today I think :D

[crude oxide]

it wasn't even announced

yet

[grave token]

Exactly that's why I was confused

I should probably apply, but only to add my new username me thinks

[modern harness]

They usually do announcements a bit later

[modern harness]

Maybe But also this last batch was rushed because Watcher Encroaches Rapidly so
You can always do another submission :p

[gray musk]

TBH, I was expecting the first ping to be the announcements, while sleeping.

Regarding watcher, I wonder whats the plan for first playthrought...

I might have missed it.

[grave token]

sigh Another reason why console got the short end of the stick

We console people get Watcher later and a TBA date

[atomic locust]

new forum

[gray musk]

at least there will be helpers then. Most helper I talked to intend to play it spoilerless.

[gray musk]

For combinations?

[atomic locust]

#1342915289595248701 👻

[grave token]

Still, us people on console will have to avoid this server like the plague

[atomic locust]

msc and watcher will be merged into DLC at a much later point

[grave token]

No access spoopy

[gray musk]

cool

[gray musk]

won't most non watcher channels be <@&1295803524462149695> ?

[grave token]

Still though you know there's gonna be someone who says smth in general or smth

[atomic locust]

will be an issue of new people being unaware of the rules for at least a few weekx

[grave stag]

no access, my favourite

[atomic locust]

watcher-first-playthroughs

[grave stag]

yeah I still don't have anything watcher related enabled

[grave token]

Same

[atomic locust]

it is staff-only atm

just in stasis until release

[grave stag]

ah I see :D

[grave token]

Fair enough

[tranquil mulch]

this still happens sometimes with Downpour, though it's rare to see Downpour spoilers

[grave stag]

now I wonder if I wanna document my watcher playthrough or not :D

[gray musk]

that's what the helper and staff team are for. I for example have decided to not have a spoilerless playthrough, so I can help people and spam No Watcher Content! at people.

[grave token]

I certainly do, but I don't wanna get soiled

[atomic locust]

we will have a temporary shutdown of 2-3 days so everyone can play without having to worry about the server

(and also for backend setup)

[tranquil mulch]

The sole things I recall seeing in vanilla channels that are Downpour spoilers under the Wiki classification are a bunch of HLL mentions (usually vague) and a single Rubicon screenshot in #vanilla-spoilers

[gray musk]

How does one shutdown such a server?

[atomic locust]

lockdown speaking perms in every channel

a bot can automate it

Dyno, I think.

[gray musk]

makes sense. I assume it also affects VCs.

[atomic locust]

there was one during an Incident™️ earlier last year, as well as for christmas 2023

[grave token]

The Incident

What

[atomic locust]

yuh. I think we could keep #rw-art-month-gallery★ open on a big cooldown tho

[atomic locust]

TLDR; akupara partnered with a company for a RW update but the company was outed as being super problematic, and the community rioted

[gray musk]

I am not sure I want to know.

[atomic locust]

2 minute slowmode in genchat iirc

[gray musk]

oh. Wasn't it for the capture thing?

[atomic locust]

yup

[tranquil mulch]

i don't think even describing it as outed is even accurate tbh

more like a bunch of people went to the company's website and noticed it was shit

[atomic locust]

I actually noticed they had a bunch of fucked up likes on their twitter like 2 weeks prior and forgot to bring it up 💔

(pre-helper)

[gray musk]

I understand why they stepped out, but I am still disappointed it never seen the light of death, as it would be massive for TASing.

[atomic locust]

I think similar tools already exist with mods

also, "light of death"

🔥

[gray musk]

I don't think so... If i remember correctly it could work like savestates, which are petty difficult from what I heard.

[gray musk]

At least I can type /j

[atomic locust]

you can reset slugcat position to a specified point for sure, creatures are the tough bit

[gray musk]

yeah.

[atomic locust]

I wonder how creature AI randomization works on the backend

must be seeded somehow

[gray musk]

might be shared with the main RNG... which is affected by your framerate. Thanks Videocult.

[atomic locust]

hm? physics frames are set at a constant 40fps

unless there is some other mechanism using visual FPS

[gray musk]

iirc, rendering calls RNG.

[quick elk]

There is also a solid chance it just calls Unity.Random or something

While all RNG in a PC is technically seeded, you cannot really predict it

[tranquil mulch]

@whole moth ok not exactly a first playthrough but tbh this thread is pretty close in purpose

but Saint's eggspedition spot isn't, anywhere close to a toll

the region has a toll but I think it may be misleading to use as a hint

[whole moth]

they were asking about regions, not locations

[tranquil mulch]

true

[whole moth]

It should thin down some of the closer matches to that image, like pipeyard and chimney

[tranquil mulch]

predicted it

[grave token]

Where did the pinned thread in #1269808032276152451 go

[modern harness]

Guh

[glad void]

here

[modern harness]

[grave token]

Why isn't it pinned anymore

[glad void]

it is now

[grave token]

[grave token]

Is this spoilers? (Context: talking about ascending Pebbs)

[atomic locust]

@stiff haloI think the specificity of that statement maaaaay be a bit leading to the fact that there is lore to be gained

[stiff halo]

Mb sorry guys!

[atomic locust]

poor soul.

they might commit to playing it over I suppose, but I doubt it

[grave token]

Sain propoganda

#1322956288854065162 has become the official vanilla FP general
And my thread ( #1282436849675014288 ) is well yea MSC general trust
(This is a joke, but feel free to stop by my thread )

[shrewd timber]

Can I endorse your forum as msc genderal

[grave token]

YES
PLEASE DO

[shrewd timber]

insert endorsement here

[glad void]

[turbid bane]

Yay msc-fp-genderal

[turbid bane]

Im so five pebbsi

[gray musk]

Hello. Apparently you have made the mistake of becoming a FPHelper.

[turbid bane]

What is the issue?

[gray musk]

idk. everyone saying it's a mistake.

[turbid bane]

Huh

Alright

You should totally do challrnges btw/j

[gray musk]

I might. For now I am not really playing RW, but when I decide to pick it up, I might.

[turbid bane]

Gl!

[grave stag]

I really should do some nice name colour but too lazy to disable most of the stuff

[turbid bane]

i believe theres an allowed mod for mod presets/setting presets but im not sure

[silver musk]

It is worth in the end when you get Pilgrimage color or something

[grave stag]

Tbh my biggest thing is I don't wanna disable downpour to do vanilla challenges :D

[turbid bane]

[silver musk]

Also yes. It is allowed

[turbid bane]

it takes a few seconds dont worry!

[grave stag]

It breaks stuff as last time I did it stuff got messed up for a while

[turbid bane]

oh

dont play on the same save it wouldnt be allowed for vanilla anyway

🥹

[grave stag]

I didn't play on same save and it still broke stuff!

[turbid bane]

might be your mods

[grave stag]

could be even tho I doubt that

[silver musk]

Some mods alter game files and thr changes might persist even if you disable a mod

Mostly related to region mods but you are never sure

[grave stag]

I don't think I have any regionmods enabled but oh well it probably will be solved when I next time try to rwsc

[gray musk]

what do you recomend doing first?

[turbid bane]

Whatever you find the most interesting from the easier side

[grave stag]

tbh at this point I may do gladiator as my first rwsc

[gray musk]

where should I use the .chal command?

[crude oxide]

it's /challenge
you can use it in many channels including this

[tender bloom]

mmm pnut bubter

[turbid bane]

Ye

[turbid bane]

Oh no

For your sanity i do not recommend it whatsoever

Its so rng

[grave stag]

sanity? what's that? something edible?

I think I could pull it off tho as long as my luck is even bit good, probably only would take 100 ish tries

[turbid bane]

im at around 350

and still havent beaten it

a try takes 2 minutes+

and usually 10

[grave stag]

now I remembered for that I would need to do surv or monk run in another save and I am not sure if I wanna 100% complete the achievements yet before watcher releases

[grave stag]

I don't mind, my goal is anyways to get my rw playtime higher than my league playtime so more time spend rw the better

[turbid bane]

Gl!

[gray musk]

I might try Flytrap...

[turbid bane]

Its really.easy you got this!

[gray musk]

my biggest concern is the rng, but should be OK.

[turbid bane]

Theres no rng in flytrap

Whats your plan?

[gray musk]

you need a vulture

[turbid bane]

Uhh

Do you know everyrhing about rw?

[grave stag]

seems like they don't

flytrap would be trivial if they knew

[grave stag]

ty I will need it (getting to 2500+ hours will be bit of stretch but I think I can probably do that :) )

[gray musk]

oh. yeah. vulture grubs.

[gray musk]

I haven't played in a long time, so my knowledge is a bit rusty. Seems like a good idea to return now.

[turbid bane]

[grave stag]

I think it will take a while before I get to that tho because I need to make the hard decision if I wanna 100% achievements before the watcher stuff or not :D yes this is relevant for me doing rwsc s

[silver musk]

Passages opportunity

[grave stag]

Wdym?

[silver musk]

All vanilla achievements challenge

Not 100% but related

[grave stag]

What kind of proof is required for that?

[silver musk]

Screenshot of the achievements

[grave stag]

@passages

What kind of colour it's?

[tender bloom]

Sprinkles' sniffing services

Passages, difficulty - 4.44

Description

Obtain all vanilla steam achievements.

Milestones

Spiritual Explorer, Fierce Combatant

Allowed slugcats

All Vanilla slugcats

PC Verification

Screenshot of all Steam achievements.

Console Verification

Screenshot of achievements if the console has it, else screenshot/short clip of completing each achievement.

Notes

A Helping Hand/Within Time are grouped under Downpour in console, however they are still required.

Remix

See Allowlist

Requested by exanimoso (216526331620491264)

[silver musk]

The line is the color

Can't link the role on mobile

[grave stag]

I guess I could do that. I just like my 99% of achievements completed and the ascension achievement still locked :D

[turbid bane]

<@&817867181307068467>

[turbid bane]

you gotta do the capitalization

@passages wont work

[glad void]

no it doesn’t work on mobile regardless i don’t think

[turbid bane]

@Passages

[meager raven]

I was pinned by a staff in misc-chat for DM request but that message is gone now. Guess I'll wait for another round

[turbid bane]

if theres no space

[glad void]

@Passages

[turbid bane]

[turbid bane]

[glad void]

need the role id on mobile if that’s even a thing

[turbid bane]

idk what you mean

[meager raven]

I guess it's about my submission 'cause they said "it's not a negative thing"

[turbid bane]

.role boredkiitty enlightened strategist

[tender bloom]

Sprinkles understands you!

She steals Enlightened Strategist from boredkiitty and retreats to her den.

[turbid bane]

i dont understand

[meager raven]

The helper submission

[turbid bane]

oh

Rip

[crisp remnant]

I wonder how long it will take for Cas to realize they've done everything there is to do

[grave stag]

is there anything they haven't discovered yet?

kv? precipice?

[crude oxide]

precipice is the dlc content

[grave stag]

ah

I would not know, always been playing msc enabled

[crisp remnant]

I guess they could lineage a kv??

[crude oxide]

if she hasn't encountered kv's that means she hasn't killed enough vultures

[grave stag]

what is left on their list to still to do before moving onto next campaign?

[grave stag]

yeah. I don't think she has killed vultures, stolen a lot of masks yet but don't think that she has actually killed them

[crude oxide]

#1322956288854065162 message

[grave stag]

so few kill missions, and then naming mission?

and that's about it?

[crude oxide]

it would actually be cool seeing the small part of precipise in vanilla, i think it was a good dlc addition

[grave stag]

it was cool, I did not know why it existed when I first discovered it and later and realized it like truck hit me what it was for and appriciated a lot more the initial discovery

spearmaster realization moment :D

[modern harness]

I love when complete and absolute dead end with nothing of interest except a singular nonlineaged cyan spawn

[grave stag]

it was cool okay?

[modern harness]

The only other thing I can think of would be arena unlocks but who cares about those

[modern harness]

True but Ive seen several people ask about it and be disappointed when its a b
dead end

[grave stag]

cool dead end!

and safe spot shelter at the upper leg

[modern harness]

They passed an entire gate for 3 rooms of literally nothing

[dark tiger]

there's already a shelter there lmao

[grave stag]

also you forgot the dropwig spawn

[grave stag]

was not sure if that was vanilla or not ;-;

[meager raven]

I also had this kind of feeling when I found out how vents used to be

Especially when I went through ||the path to CC (not Chimney Canopy)||

[atomic locust]

it is essentially a 1/25 for killing a chimney vult

and sky has one too, but once it lineages itll only be in CA

[grave stag]

Ca?

[crude oxide]

communications array

or arrays

idk

[grave stag]

Ah

[latent fractal]

Ooohhhh

Vents

My beloathed

How I hate you

Utterly despise

[modern harness]

Monk is just Survivor but worse and Hunter is a completely different experience Monk does not prepare you for lmao

[grave stag]

the monk is irrelevant imo if you haven't done gourmand then it becomes nice one

[modern harness]

Yea

Monk has 0 colored pearls so voting for that for Cas's 2 missing pearls is out of the picture

[dark tiger]

Monk has different dialogue and an ending however

[modern harness]

True
It will be a comparatively very, VERY short playthrough to her Survivor playthrough

[grave stag]

yeah

[dark tiger]

Will any playthrough be nearly as long as this one? Lmao

[teal timber]

I would rather Castrix just pick the one they think sounds cooler at the time

[modern harness]

Tru

Monk has some differences but it isnt enough to warrant a full playthrough if youve beaten Surv unless you like experiencing lore differences

[grave stag]

cas spearmaster could get quite close imo

[teal timber]

Castrix would totally play the Monk just to see what's different lore-wise

[modern harness]

Also true

[grave stag]

cas probably would enjoy the lore differences

[modern harness]

[teal timber]

bonus points if they notice the Rot has grown

[modern harness]

Altho theres the issue of all the white broadcasts get reset into grays once FP is met so

Shed miss lore if she doesnt catch on and decide to do those first

[teal timber]

the missed ones show up in the Collection anyways, I think

when you visit FP

[modern harness]

Yea ig

[grave stag]

I don't think so

there is reason why I am replaying sm and going hunting for each white broadcast

[modern harness]

Huh

Well in that case if she misses them shed have to do 2 Spear runs :D
Could also visit Moon before FP... etc

[grave stag]

I like the fact that my friend and guide about rw throw in challenge for me that in the initial sm playthrough visit moon first

[modern harness]

Yea cuz visitng FP first is just a minute of awkward silence while visiting Moon first gets you ✨ lore ✨

[grave stag]

I need my ability to understand them

even if I know sign language as spear

[gray musk]

I think Arti is going to be a long one for Cas, cause she'll definitely get pebbles to read every pearl.

[crisp remnant]

If she realizes she can get him to do that

But yeah, probably

[gray musk]

Pebbles kinda hints at it.

[grave token]

Tbh I don't know the ingame explanation for the graffiti... but I know in UW there's smth SM drew to direct others to den so who knows

[radiant night]

i like to think the ancients did it

maybe true maybe not

i dont think scavs are smart enough to

and sm art isnt quite as complex

[grave stag]

I second to this, like I think only they have capability to make graffiti to last through rough rain cycles

[radiant night]

as far as we are shown nothing else has the ability to

maybe the iterators could but they cant go outside lol

[grave token]

But that brings a question, how did they make the echo graffiti?

Because if all of them are long gone, how would that work?

[radiant night]

Maybe they experimented first before sending everyone into the void fluid

so there could have been a period of time both echos and ancients exist

I’m not well versed in the game lore tho

[tiny glacier]

I think that scavs made those graffiti

[grave token]

Telling the OP names

That might not be significant but still

[tiny glacier]

Uh oh

[radiant night]

I feel like that name isn’t horrible to expose since it makes popcorn noises but ya

At least that was my first thought when I saw it

[glad void]

they might also just be tlaking about the orange stuff in shaded citadel it's kinda close to red so

[radiant night]

fungus

[glad void]

[grave token]

[meager raven]

And blurry

[meager raven]

#1351381546086436884 message

Should this be redacted?

[grave token]

Wait prob

[radiant night]

yes

i no thinky also i cant do it for them anyway so

[grave token]

<@&1137895527271379055> dlc content in a vanilla thread

[radiant night]

metropolis moment

[meager raven]

They removed it

[grave token]

I'm so sorry Felpers they deleted the message I just realized

[meager raven]

You could remove your message

[grave token]

My ping?

Nah I'm not about to ghost ping Felpers

[radiant night]

👻

[late copper]

the scavs absolutely made some of the graffiti, such as the simplistic blue and white markings throughout GW and other regions

[radiant night]

i wasnt thinking of those but youre right

[lapis talon]

Yeah I was also gonna point that out

They likely made the karma 3 (friendship) symbol near moon’s room as well

And possibly the moon-with-a-halo graffiti, that’s in the scav style

[shrewd timber]

Thank u

[meager raven]

[grave token]

Another one for the list

Proceeded to get heads

[meager raven]

"scavengers"

[grave token]

Who told them their name

[meager raven]

idk

They just changed it right after they said "tribal"

[grave token]

Not staying in the same thread

[meager raven]

Pain, Suffering, and Observing Creatures Season 2

[crisp remnant]

I'm so glad that coin hit Hunter and not Monk. Monk has so little to offer to someone who has seen almost all of survivor

[grave token]

I'm pretty sure Cas did see everything Surv had to offer except for the lost pearls

[crisp remnant]

That's what I mean, yeah

[grave token]

[meager raven]

Good stuff

[grave token]

Now at most I have a few threads I should check up on regularly

[latent fractal]

This is gonna be so funny

[grave token]

Yup

[latent fractal]

Who's gonna tell Ms. 1000 cycles

[grave token]

Not it

[latent fractal]

No no let them find out themselves

I really hope Cas becomes like, a server legend eventually

They have so much potential

And they're very popular

[grave token]

They kind of already are

[latent fractal]

GOOD

[gray musk]

what happened with the old post?

[grave token]

Nothing

[latent fractal]

I can't wait for Cas to realize the new spawns are a thing

[grave token]

Just deserted it and left for Hunter thread

[latent fractal]

Well it's been closed
But is still avaliable to read and such

[gray musk]

oh.Ok.

[grave token]

Hasn't been close closed, just in stasis until Cas returns

[gray musk]

I suggest we Lock #1322956288854065162 thread for Archival reasons. What do you people think?

[latent fractal]

[meager raven]

[gray musk]

ok.

[grave token]

I don't have nitro, pretend I sent this emote

[meager raven]

Wait it's from this server

[grave token]

Yuh

[latent fractal]

Wow Cas finished hunter real fast/j

[gray musk]

*animated

[latent fractal]

Oh riiiiight

I forgot that was Nitro exclusive

[grave token]

[meager raven]

Oh that's a thing?

[grave token]

All animated emotes require nitro

[meager raven]

The more you know

[radiant night]

how long till cas starts genocide

[crisp remnant]

I was hoping Castrix will find the SI <- LF connection but it's looking less likely
No big deal either way, would have just been fun

[grave token]

Not soon enough

[latent fractal]

@grave token ploinking is some movement tech exclusive to Rivulet
If you enter water at a height larger than a normal jump, and are moving forward/down, and tap jump, you get SHOT forward with varying levels of elevation

That's how I remember it at least

It's funky

[late copper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1274236150378139680/1348599532409061436/What_ACTUALLY_happens_when_Rivulet_ploinks.mp4?ex=67da98b0&is=67d94730&hm=4fbeb064e8f278ad6c180af179c64c9dee01ba439328e6e6019ef20f05466412&

[grave token]

Not ploinking lmao, the !fling or whatever it was

[latent fractal]

OH

I have no idea

It just showed up when I searched slugcat flip in the gifs

[grave token]

Lmao

[latent fractal]

Sorry fish boy

[meager raven]

wet ___

[crisp remnant]

rat

[grave token]

Is very fine

[latent fractal]

Close enough

[crude oxide]

it seems that castrix is delivering both the neuron and pearl
this will be interesting

[crisp remnant]

I wonder if she'll even bother going to 5p, we shall see

[latent fractal]

Perhaps

[crude oxide]

she definitely will

[modern harness]

OH shell get to hear Grains' speech this time too

[latent fractal]

Perchance

[modern harness]

Looks like shes trying to go to Outskirts

Me when Second Toll

And The Reddening

[latent fractal]

Oh dear

I can hear the doom music faintly

[crude oxide]

one more scav toll
2 redzards in SU and one in HI
this will definitely be interesting

[latent fractal]

Suffering ahead

Too bad Cas doesn't know about starve cycling

[grave token]

[radiant night]

I thought it was one of the things the game tells you

Maybe remix does

[latent fractal]

It does

But I don't think she actually tried it

[radiant night]

Probably because no save

[latent fractal]

Yeah

[grave token]

Me when karma caching

[radiant night]

On Hunter would be pretty punishing right?

[crisp remnant]

It's okay, Hunter is all about trial and error anyways, she'll get it

[grave token]

Karma caching? Nope

[radiant night]

I don’t think they will complete it first try of course

[radiant night]

I’ll try it next time 🫡

[latent fractal]

Absolutely not

[crude oxide]

hunter is pretty forgiving unless you take the wrong route

[grave token]

Karma caching is a glitch that involves starving in a shelter, and quitting out within 30 seconds

[radiant night]

idk if I wanna use glitches to make the game easier

But I’ll do it once

[grave token]

And repeating as needed

[latent fractal]

Wow
I will not be using this information responsibly

[radiant night]

Karma farming regularly is not an option always anyway

don’t die and no worries 😁

[latent fractal]

Mmm
I do want Cas to ascend as Surv again

And update the final score

That works, right?

[grave token]

Make sure to have Vanilla exploits turned on tho

[grave token]

That's only for DP

[meager raven]

Karma 2 door with a nearby shelter is really lenient

[latent fractal]

daammmnnnn it

[crude oxide]

you see the final score in 1.9 regardless of dlc

iirc

[grave token]

Oh
I was told it was downpour exclusive

[modern harness]

Score is downpour

Only Hunter sees score in vanilla

[grave token]

what does iirc mean I see it everywhere I don't know what it means

[latent fractal]

WHAT???

[crude oxide]

if i recall correctly

[modern harness]

Downpour added score to everyone but in vanilla only Hunter sees scoring

[latent fractal]

I had no idea

I could have sworn

[crisp remnant]

I can corroberate this. I thought it was really weird when I ascended Surv the second time and got score (I had installed downpour)

[latent fractal]

Sadge, Cas' Survivor run would probably have a nutso score

With all the porls, neurons, and passages they have

[grave token]

Should tell her to ascend again when she gets downpour

[latent fractal]

YES.

[crisp remnant]

Do you get hunter score when you die? I forgor

[grave token]

Maybe?

[latent fractal]

I think so yeah

Idk, I never actually failed a hunter run

[crisp remnant]

HOW

[crude oxide]

if you mean permadeath, yes

[latent fractal]

I did it first try because I was spoiled af on the game, and I planned out my path from moon to depths soooo carefully.
Some ppl could recall my insane ramblings about it

[grave token]

NO TENOR LMAO

[meager raven]

I was spoiled too

[latent fractal]

😭

Not my Pepe Silvia gif

[meager raven]

But I'm ok with that

[latent fractal]

You guys get it tho

[meager raven]

Because I think the real time performance is also very interesting

[crude oxide]

hunter was the last campaign i completed so i had enough knowledge to do it

[latent fractal]

I believe the situation for me was getting 4 echoes and to depths in like 7ish cycles

[crisp remnant]

Okay, I'm gonna play Hunter finally and if I die it's your guys' fault (no I don't have a skill issue why would you say that)

[latent fractal]

Simply know exactly what to do

It's just that easy

Actually it's not

[crude oxide]

i had tried before but with unlimited cycles which is kinda lame for me so i didn't even finish that playthrough

[latent fractal]

Very rng sometimes

[meager raven]

[latent fractal]

We've all had moments where we die to a predator one cycle, and then never see them again afterwards
But ofc that one death means you need to waste more GODDAMN TIME IN CHIMNEY CANOPY karma farming

[crude oxide]

limited cycles is a too important mechanic for the true hunter experience

[latent fractal]

True

I hope Cas gets to pebbles
Then I can be like "Now you're the one with an unfortunate development"

[meager raven]

I mean 1 karma boost is a big deal :)

[latent fractal]

In hunter? Absolutely.
But also the extra cycles is what saved my own hunter run

I was on cycle 2 when I met him, post-delivery

I ended my run in depths at cycle 3

[meager raven]

scary

[latent fractal]

I still have the save file, final score, everything ^w^

[latent fractal]

It's scary when you visualize it outside the context of simple game mechanics
Scary and sad, gotta feel bad for Hunter

[meager raven]

My hunter score isn't very high because I intentionally avoided things

"Just do your job and get out of this world"

[latent fractal]

Average minimum wage mindset

[grave stag]

I don't think cas will make within time during this hunter run

or that's my feeling

do they even know about starvation?

[latent fractal]

Is it possible for ||HLLs|| to spawn from runs failed before installing Downpour?

[crisp remnant]

Yeah, I suspect she'll fail at least once. But she has the skill to do it easily once she knows what to expect

[modern harness]

HLL is downpour exclusive

[latent fractal]

I kkknnnow

[crisp remnant]

They only spawn in Gourm IIRC so no

[latent fractal]

I know

But I'm saying

[modern harness]

I think the criteria is just if theres a failed file when opening the correct campaign

[crisp remnant]

Ohhhh

I get what you mean

[latent fractal]

Ok thank you

[crisp remnant]

But uh, probably not no

Wait really?

[latent fractal]

So it's extremely unlikely and too far into the future to tell, but I hope she finds a HLL

[crisp remnant]

The game saves the location you died in even without downpour?

[latent fractal]

Well yeah
You're able to see previous death locations in the map so

[crisp remnant]

Er, sorry I mean fail. like final death

[modern harness]

Hunter flower

[latent fractal]

Me staring at 5+ death markers in the same room in Underhang:

[modern harness]

Hunter karma flower on Monk/Surv campaign