#Old FP Guide Coordination [Archived]
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oh i see

Why is there a weird trend of people asking questions in other peoples forums
Just go to the spoiler chats instead of other peoples FP chats 😭
buh
#1269808032276152451 is the highest channel on the list
so it makes sense that people stumble into it often
True
so the question is did the scavengers take the Filtration System pearl yet 
(can they do that here)
They can, and it is the most often pearl scavs steal too iirc, due to how absurdly close the scav dens are to its placement
Pretty sure it's the only one they can reach normally?
iirc during the pre-remix period, a strategy for Scholar RWSC included getting it first just because scavs could steal it at any time 
Possibly SU, HI, SH and GW pearls too
I'd bet they did, considering, uh...
800 cycles
(although not that many were spent in sub)
actually, I think Key Item Tracking might've been enabled before she got to sub?
Do note that for scavs to actually steal the pearl, you need to be like 2 rooms away from it at most
I remember it got activated at some point
filt 🤏
Fir Filt and some other bug rooms, it is reduced to constant Low Quality rules iirc
Since simulating two rooms each worth like 16 screens could cause lag otherwise
@subtle jolt this thread is for discussion and coordination for helping people in #1269808032276152451 and #1272670046434492426
if you wanna get into the scene, I recommend checking this thread out and just watching other people
(the pins are also useful and have good info)
oh i can talk here
i thought it said oyu cant message
also i already know not to tell them like "to kill lizard do this and that" 
i'm not gonna lie, i forgot this thread exists 
everybody is already helped 
@subtle jolt one good thing in the case that someone is stuck in unfortunate development is to tell em that it isnt mandatory
yea
I would wait until they're a bit more stuck, but it's useful because the other path can be kinda hidden
i thought you already told that 
and it's less direct than "don't go there
nah it's best to avoid giving direct tips unless they dont respond well to the more minor stuff first
@subtle jolt it's recommended not to tell anyone the names of things
o
due to the existence of The Chart™️
yee people create their own names
huh
people coming up with their own names is the best part 
most creatures have no ingame name anyway
tru
we had one thread ( @turbid bane ) where people were referring to Pebbles as Santa for over half of the campaigns 
doesnt he literally say his name?? 
nope
you enter his room and he goes
I AM FIVE PEBBLES (vine boom)
people usually notice when Looks to the Moon calls him that 
“Who are you?” “I… am Five Pebbles”
people like to chat in a spoiler free environment when they're on their first playthrough, which fp threads can provide. i think it's totally fine as long as they themselves don't spoil anything
isn't the concern cluttering up other people's fp forums with your own? they could make their own forums
i guess that could be an issue too
ive seen a few instances (rare) where someone basically hijacks someone else's thread as their sole place to ask questions
This person can't figure it out and hasn't played in a while so I doubt they remember stabbing spears into walls
Someone who can help better can do this correct?
How did they enter the leg without spear wall?
you don't have to embed a spear
I highly doubt they did
Ive never used a spear wall in the leg iirc, absolutely not required
well
the memory crypts enterance
Yeah mem crypts
Uhh.. this is pebbles right?
No im stupid
The in game art is just inconsistent with the antennas
Completely ignored the large circle
there is a chance of castrix getting @Chieftain when she takes the SB pearl(s) to moon
that'd be cool
Unlikely
The timer is missing 
GW-SL gate is prettym uch infeasible for Scavengers to appear in though 
this is HI-GW I think
This being the HI-GW gate instead
Oh

if all playthroughs are done itll be wayyy more
Are we allowed to tell people about Arti’s parry?
It was meant to have a tutorial after all
I don't think we are
It should have a tutorial >:(
We are the tutorial
They literally messed up the coding so the message never appeared
That was for mauling
Mmmm
Before I'm agree or disparage this, I need to know
Do you disapprove of the parry, the stun, or both?
Idk about the code for anything regarding parrying but the messed up code was for mauling tutorial for sure
So we can tell people about that?
the stun
Tbh I think there shouldn't be a mauling tutorial, but there should be one for parrying
Oh wait
Unless ur talking about Arti being stunned
Because I'm talking about stunning other creatures
In which case
Yea u rite
that's the issue. it's incredibly useful at such little cost
Ah
Gourmand is strong but has a big downside
Spear master can have infinite spears but no mouth
Saint is very mobile but cannot fight
Arti? Nah she’s just op
Parry is at least more applicable due to the stun
Mauling is much less applicable cuz most of the time the creature will already be dead from the dozens of bombs you can make
Lmao
My main problem with Arti has always been the scavs.
It's a lot harder when the prey has a 1 shot kill ranged attack
And can also just freaking jump you
In regards to that
There is a Explosive jump while holding down to parry tutorial message that you can find in the MSC localisation file
However
There's nothing in code that triggers it 
And if you maul beforehand, chances are the victim will un-stun and eat you
Although it's convenient for smaller prey
Thats so crazy
Great job, devs
/lh
AND ALSO
My final criticism of Artificer
Why does she not have a shorter recovery time from being stunned by explosions?
You're literally the bomb cat.
I expect it's scrapped or was justn't finished in time
They do.
Guh? But so many times I've died because I've thrown a bomb point blank, and the predator wakes up before me-
And it's just "hey free meal"
artificer's already stupid strong lmao
Would make sense if it was under time crunch due to dlc deadlines
making it so you can't just stupidly stun yourself all the time is fine
You just get much closer to explosions than normal and that compensates for the only stun being from the Violence call rather than (room.physicalObjects[j][k] as Creature).Stun((int)(minStun * Mathf.InverseLerp(0f, 0.5f, num2))); 
[j][k]
The code is just kidding


I now remember why I dropped programming
I have no idea what the heck that means
I can recognize mathf.inverselerp is some math equation cuz my programming class just got to learning simple math code stuff this week
I don't wanna look at it as I don't want to get flashbacks of time when I coded stuff
InverseLerp is defined as the unique function Lerp(a, b, InverseLerp(a, b, x)) = x 
InverseLerp(0, 0.5, x) can be simplified as Clamp(2*x, 0, 1) 

hairballs are, the rot?
Yea
It might be a good thing that this pearl never reached its destination.
If you say so.
That pearl only gets juicier if you have Pebbles read it as Arti afterwards
eh, let's not mix up Rain World lore and Downpour lore; as long as it's #1269808032276152451, no such thing as Arti 
BLLs are deaf, yes
I had no idea!
They have some around Pilgrim's Ascent, and that's the first time I've dealt with them like, ever.
pebbles not willing to talk to SRS or anyone is sad...
He was upset about (presumably) Moon interrupting his simulations, which is what let the rot get out of control.
I would shut down and ignore everyone too. It's an ironically human reaction.
And he clearly regrets it, but is determined to find a way out, racing against the clock to recreate the Sliver of Straw incident
Rain World lore makes me cry anytime I think about it. And I thought I grew up :(
It's a tragedy for sure.
there are some bright spots at least
This game has such a big world, obscured by our limited perspective while playing. There are so many possibilities to consider, so many questions to ask.
I love it dearly, and will never forget this game.
I would rant about the lore to others all the time, if I didn't feel like I also needed to explain the cycles, the Ancients, Void Fluid, ect ect...
It just becomes too lengthy 
Yes, but.. it's still sad. It's a story of a dieing world, an the tragic stories of its inhabitants.
Got a gourmand in there
Presumably Tree Surv and Monk endings are happy.
And Riv and Spearmaster are kinda optimistic.
But all in all it's sad.
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT SUNS DECIDED TO NAME HIM 
THEY WERE THINKING ABOUT IT
NSH EVEN OFFERED TO HELP COME UP WITH NAMES
riv is very optimistic and hunter is also somewhat optimistic
Hunter dies. Moon... IG.
yeah but hunter can go jump in an acid sea
and die cooler 😎😎😎
and he brought moon back so like 🔥 🔥 🔥
eh, calling it death implies there's nothing after ascending
which is contradicted a bunch
guh
a lot more to boundless infinities of the cosmic void than disappearing 
I think Riv's ending is a little ambiguous though
We have no knowledge of what the lil goober does after
He just...stays with Moon?
Forever?
but moon has power now. And pebbles finally talking with someone.
and there is no implied death.
Rivulet lives forever 
Moon in Saint says "the passage of time has taken them away" when refering to Riv
aw... sad
NOOOOOOO
WHAT
WHERE DO YOU HEAR THAT????
Talking to Moon 3 times
I'm so sad now
:(
I'm pretty sure i saw this dialogue
May not be Ruffles. May not be Ruffles. May not be Ruffles. May not be Ruffles. May not be Ruffles. May not be Ruffles. May not be Ruffles. May not be Ruffles. May not be Ruffles. May not be Ruffles. May not be Ruffles.
definitely is ruffles
don't break my delusion!
Didn't know that ruffles dying of old age would be taken so tragically here
Ruffles is an icon of the community ofc I'm upset
What... Other option was there 
eh the ending ruins Rivulet imo
I guess you could also read it as rivulet ascending too, which is nice
I'm not a fan of the bulk of dp writing but that's beating a dead horse
I find it interesting how Moon can barely remember Survivor even with Monk's time, and then after getting a bit of power back in her structure she can remember Rivulet crystal clear
Even tho neuron count stays low
I assume she has some neurons and other bits functioning in other parts of her structure
Like how FP is still conscious despite having no neurons present around him
Probably
It's that umbilical cord thingy
It must like, connect them to the resources in the superstructure or smth (hence the name)
The 5 neurons around LttM also likely behave in a different way to normal neurons, considering how they are likely made for emergencies, and when handling neurons to LttM she needs to "convert" them first
In case of collapse break glass
is a glass tube of neurons
@late copper
james primote 
what begins?
spearmaster much?
Castrix's Pearls for Helpers (some info is omitted/changed in the forum to not spoil her)
Read
Bright green DS pearl
Viridian GW pearl
Bright red FA pearl
Deep Pink FA pearl
Bright magenta SL pearl
Pale yellow SL pearl
Bright Purple SL pearl
Pale green TE pearl
Gold CC pearl
Dark blue SI pearl (SRS/FP chat)
Dark green SI pearl (Moon/FP chat)
Dark Magenta SB pearl
Teal SB pearl
In transit
None
Lost
Light blue OS pearl
Bright blue IC pearl
The 3 other SI pearl variants
Not seen
Deep Magenta SC pearl
Also several white and FP pearls were read too but Im not skimming through to find each specific chat lol
Yeee 
i have helped 3 people im the best at this
Damnnn missing both SB pearls
That's going to be a solid gap for lore
i have no idea what that means but i will take your word for it
you go absurdly high if you do something relating to a den i don't know exactly
huh
i have a video of what was probably a denboost
from my first playthrough 
not sure butmaybe
either a denboost or a creature fling/corpse boost/other thing that i have no idea exists
huh
i think creature flings go higher than that but it could vary with timing idk
and i have no idea if the yellow lizard counts as a corpse or not because it was stunned but not dead 
also what you just said in that first playthrough
if they ate all of the neurons i don't think they can revive moon in survivor

only hunter's neuron i think????
Yea
tragedy
you can help them if they have at least one neuron
althought hey wouldn't be very dead 
makes sense
Lets at leats not tell the players anything that they wouldnt know or shouldnt know at this point :p
yea
How do players even have enough empty food pips to eat all the neurons?
waking up
4
survivor has 4 food pip?
There’s just so much food in LTTM
Only if the player finds out that it is food :3
theres a shelter nearby
slugcat has baby instinct
if it is grabbable, can eat? /j
They probably didn't know that jellyfish and water nuts are edible
ye
4 needed to shelter and 7 in total i think
well the 4 dissapears if it isnt full
What’s the order for the object interaction thing?
qhar?
GETSS i think
what is a GETSS
:3
grab eat throw stab store(?)
wjat dpes that mea
Yeah store
figuring out the uses of new objects 
Should we teach new players that?
i just try to eat a new thing i find
Wait but by that logic you always eat the neuron
would make for a good hint if they're really struggling to figure out the use of something 
and are really determined to figure it out for some reason
i woudlnt 
Moon: *shaking head desperately*
yea
To try to get people to eat the jellyfish so they don’t eat the neurons, they learn to eat everything including the neurons
I mena, to them all it means is another food recognized
moon literally shows images of to put down the nuerons right??
And even Iggy will show an ❌ on you
Iggy
Don't guide people away from eating the neurons
If theyre present at all
ya
I know
my input on teaching new players the getss method (if we're talking about teaching them it immediately) is like probably not ?
i think it would be better to just let them do what they want with a new item instead of making it a checklist 
ya
People often eat them because they're lead to what's otherwise a dead end, with the only NPC available having no discernable interactions. It's easy to assume that to progress, you have to interact with her in some way
and one of the few ways you interact with things in the world are grabbing, throwing, and eating

yea like somebody said, there isnt a right way to p[lay rain worl
c o n s u m e
when i met moon for the first time i pelted her with rocks because i thought she was genuinely bugged lol

fortunately i left and found the way to Shaded naturally
Also
the glow is a pretty neat way to guide players toward shaded now that i think about it 
when i met moon for the first time i just walked up to her then walked away
unrelated to hints or anything just a neat feature
yea
The game is easier by eating the neurons
yes
@subtle jolt Do not tell players directions on where to go. The game is nonlinear, let them wander instead of leading them straight to TW and having them miss out on TE and FP
wjat os TW
Wall
But I still find it surprising that, even if the game is trying so hard to tell you not to eat them, a fair amount of players still commit
ok\
also personally i think it wouldve been better if only moons nuerons would make glow, since there isnt any reason to eat moons nuerons (exepr if yo dont know) since there is tons in five pebbles
consistency
they asked for directions i think
Okay
yea
That doesnt mean you take them to TW
although yeha maybe 
We give hints and tips on ways they could explore
We dont tell them cardinal directions on the exact path to go somewhere specific that skips out on a large chunk of the game
wait the wall skips a large chunk of theggame?
yeah
It’s a trade off. Glow earlier for easier gameplay or be able to learn the lore.
tru
The rest of the exterior
All of Mem Crypts, Leg, Underhang, basically the entirely of FP
i like it tho 
it's the
way
Msot people like it when others dont eat Moon's neurons
also wdym the better way?
But its not your playthrough
ya
Its their playtrhough
ya
I edited the m sage to be funny
embracing it 
Yes
anyway 
It is the better route as Gourm
Skipping the proper introduction to imo an amazing part of the game and what the game subtly intends for you to go
For me at least
if the wall didn't wait until the end to blast you with movement tech then i'd like it a lot more 
the game intends for go to exterior??
There’s a reason Iggy points you to memory crypts
Please direct yourself to #2 of the guidelines in the pinned messages
There is an intended way though
After Iggy brings you to Moon, either Iggy or the worms try to guide players towards Memory Crypts
Yes
But that doesnt excuse exact directions to Wall
And the exterior has very strong environmental story telling
Personally I would like to appeal them to the harder route because the experience is more... interesting and impressing than going up the wall
Without going there you won’t understand FP’s structure
missing out on no gravity 
Also missing out on Echo dialogue
you see no gravity when go to five peb 
Most people will see the echo before FP by going Wall and wont realize they have things to say
forgot 
the majority of it isn't really visited when going wall > pebbles > wall though 
Overall, even though the wall is fun, the low route offers more variety in gameplay and lore
Worse case scenario, they try to go out the other exit from FP's room and get stuck dying because they spent too long in his room, then go down TW and try to get to UH from there but are unable to cuz no worm spawns to make the jump, then they have no idea where else could connect to that part of the map
Thats the internal name
Yes
internal acronyms 🤮
I like them
i dislike them
we here in the First Playthrough household only use logical acronyms (new players grasp them easier)
Im not using an internal name that includes the entire region to refer to a very specific part of the region
They give insight into the original ideas of the devs
Its logical, in-game regions or go home
i like to know about what region talking about on first sight
I don't think that's really a big concern compared to like, letting someone know what place you're talking about quickly
Non of that internal naming
SU
best time for internal naming is like... modding
No one would know what it is
ya
the only ones i really have memorized (that aren't obvious) are HI and SU 
Someone who doesn’t know try guessing SU
is it rubicon
No
I find it quite light
That’s HR
is SU pipeyard
Human Resources 😢
(Hell Region)
i mean both are the same pain to go through /hj /silly
No, that’s VS (Voided Subterranean)
voided subturranean??
A scrapped region that got its acronym yoinked
I would never know what most of the acronyms mean 

pipeyard is literally just filtration 2 
Dev logs talk about how it’s boring
tragedy
Well VS was literally filtration 2
centiyard
I believe
voided subterranean sounds like it would just be depths
so they just.. kept filtration ststem 2??
I dont want to use internal names around first playthroughers
It doesnt feel right using knowledge the player will never figure out unless they go into spoiler channels and get spoiled on it
Ok so what is SU?
true...
outskirts
outskirts iirc
OUTSKIRTS??

Crazy right?
ok?
oh i thought you were asking for an asnwer mb i just got here
Its short for Suburban iirc
o
Yes
so thats why the music track is cald suburban
o wait that might be urban jungle
i forget
Then why not just using Suburban??
no idea
And Saint’s version is called Suburban Drifts to pay homage
beacuse outskirts soudns better
The name changed during development
i dont get why outskirts is called outskirts when it is barely the outskirts 
or it was a placeholder
But you can’t change the acronym
like farm arrays is a outskirts
consider it the outskirts of a residential area

i dont kno what that means
Or, a Suburban
you can but its much more work then just changing what the game tells you its called
i may be stupid...
Place with residents
Suburban is kind of white picket fences, family housing type vibes
Urban - Metropolis
Sub urban - Outskirts

white picket fences? Barbed wire and trenches? Trick or treat, merry Christmas? /ref
anyways i think i have slightly helped enough people today off to do school projects
good luck 
gotta eat supper first
also thanks 

I forgot spears existed when I got there on my fp too
I was so used to grappling that I forgot about all other forms of movement XD
#1344452144517877780 message @subtle jolt you did pretty well there, but I do wanna say that eating the neurons isn't a mistake
really, it helps on first playthroughs in that it gives glow for shaded 🙂
not many people go for the lore anyways
Like I said
ah, am I 🐌 to the party?
Huh?
replace 🐌 with late
Fair point but
A friend of mine (I use the term lightly) is going to do it just out of spite.
They know what eating them do, they've been spoiled on most of the game.
So it's pure malicious intent
I think I've seen that person
You probably have yeah
Is there any pearls in vanilla that say anything about moon? From what I remember there are very few about moon, unless you bring pearls to 5P as Arti I believe
You learn a bunch about Moon from reading Pearls not directly related to her.
E.g. the UW Pearl offers insight into the skin parasites that also ask for advice and have opinions, SL_bridge offers insight into what caused the collapse, SL_chimney about the relation of the puppet to the rest of her body.

What?
Under Wall?
ANYWAYS HERES WONDER WALL

UW is exterior
Ah
I do not remember what the full name was
#downpour-spoilers message
"The Exterior = UW (Underhang (UH) + The Wall (TW))"
i think this should be pinned in other spoiler channels if it isn't
I used to have a lot of them, but I lost contact with them when I was neutered. My umbilical is cut. So, since then I am not much more than what you are looking at - a little creature in a box. from the overseer dialogue is also pretty huge
Thanks I'm stealing that message
idk why its really funny to me that she uses the term neutered
I find it odd that it's called UW when there's also a subregion called the leg
This is clearly leg erasure 😔
It’s actually because “The Leg” is a collective hallucination by everyone that has ever played Rain World. Joar never made that area.
true... it was mostly James 

Nice room James!
joar added the most important part though!
Which is?
The spitter spiders!

mod game 💥
it can all be done via the remix menu😭 😭


do Minor Spelling Errors™️ qualify for the list?
no, and they don't call it that they just think others do
Oh. I second guessed myself

A vague
or smth works
Alr
spoilers: #1344977358708408411 message
<@&1137895527271379055>
No problem!!
thanks!
<@&1137895527271379055> #1345057642502029476 message moon mention, in the first message, would this be considered as spoiler or is it enough vague?
SI image in original post, spoiler? #1345036230705938433 message
<@&1137895527271379055> spoilers? mention of farms and then straight asking how to do blue lizard taming #1345100407869018312 message
got it 👍
(btw I do recommend asking em to change it before doin the ping)
fair. I forgot
?ploo
Does a finger pointy dance at the picture
Wait what happened to that shelter
Is it flooded
i didn’t even acknowledge the shelter 
What the hell is wrong with it
excuse me what did I just read
ty kalum
guys you can point it out in chat too tho 😔
A-
yeah but im lazy ❤️
Real
if the message is not posted like minute ago I have seen people not responsing to pings etc if the message is even bit older and the message can start to stagnate, + lately there has been some stuff which I was not sure if they were spoilers or not :D
Is saint with a lantern spoiler? #1345254427992260609 message
I doubt it, there's many reasons you could have a lantern in any playthrough
I mean in intro message in picture
technically yea but this screenshot doesn't really spoil anything
I'll leave that to judge by other fpelpers
I wouldn't count it as a spoiler, noone could really know what it would even imply even if they noticed the detail
got it

@versed scroll i recommend reading the pins here if ya wanna help out
thanks kalum
@jade tapir in case you haven't been here yet you can see guidelines for helping new players in the pinned messages 
castrix's thread wasn't active for almost a day, it's so rainover 
hi foggy!!
Felpers you got this first message right
Nvm they deleted it
Still the title tho
THE PERSON LEFT THE SERVER
*sigh * We lost another one
<@&1137895527271379055> as mentioned above and here is the new link: https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1345796785561534465
uhh what needs doin?
the thread title edit

What's a Look to the Moon?
one time i called it eyes to the moon

(I thought Five Pebbles was me entering space bc of the 0-g)
like, going to the actual moon



the evil thoughts behind that sentence :D
make fp-ers eat moon’s brain any% speedrun:
Bet
Castrix is on their way to getting every passage
Castrix is getting like every actually interesting white pearl
could be choosing not to share the many many boring ones
well yeah but still
We got Playthrough control on our hands :D https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1346211327563137064
Is that not colour pearl dialouge? I've had smth similar read to me before, by Pebbles.
Isn't it the green Exterior pearl?
As Artificer, FP does reference Apostate Superstructure Abomination in the UW Pearl reading, but it's very much not the Pearl contents even then.
Apostate Superstructure Abomination is generic Pearl dialogue.
Huh
Alright then
@grave token
no they spawn elsewhere also
probably not in survivor though 
i doubt the first playthrougher has even seen a dropwig
the OE spawns are actually probably the most obscure ones
pipeyard, subterranean, undergrowth, a few other spots
OE spawns?
or do you mean stowaways 
oh
I'm surprised that I didn't encounter a single stowaway in my survivor compaign, is it just rare?
can you even encounter stowaways in survivor if it’s your first playthrough
no oe gate unlock
nevermind didn’t see pipeyard or sub up there 
stowaways are only awake on 1/32 of cycles; if they're not, there's only a very rare chance for one to awake when something is touching its feeling tentacle
Good to know
and Stowaways are guaranteed to be asleep on cycles 13 to 31, 45 to 63, etc
w... wha...
slumber
... why ...
public bool AwakeThisCycle(int cycle)
{
bool flag = debugForceAwake || creature.ID.RandomSeed * 42 % 13 == cycle % 32;
if (!flag)
{
while (!flag)
{
flag = debugForceAwake || creature.ID.RandomSeed * 42 % 13 == cycle % 32;
cycle++;
}
Custom.Log("Stowaway not awake, will wake on cycle", cycle.ToString());
return false;
}
digestionTimeStart = 0;
digestionLength = Random.Range(100, 6000);
return true;
}

stowaway must sleep very eepy
how do they live 
to busy eeping to tell people
why are these creatures like this
Ah damn no wonder I never saw any
(I somehow found the most optimal route for all campaigns and regret it severely
)
No wonder Stoaways were questioned on if they existed for a bit, they basically didnt 
stowaways are still visible when asleep
their feeling tentacle is still visible
and I thought it was a vine with a graphical glitch when I first encountered one 

Lmao

first like 20 seconds into undergrowth i got attacked by one and didn’t think much of it because i thought it would be common 
This is what I mean when Stoaways were questioned to exists
So few people encountered them because they fuckin slept 24/7 lmao
so eepy
lol
my reaction was “something on the ceiling just did something weird”
i've encountered 1 of them that's done anything other than sit there
at the beginning of OE one ate a dropwig on one of my like 10 attempts to get past that toll without paying
I've encountered none, but see enough about them so
I'm pretty sure I saw a scav get eaten by a stowaway. haven't encountered them myself tho
oh just note! some stowaways are force-awake if (myBug.placedDirection.y > -0.3f || myBug.abstractCreature.world.game.IsArenaSession)
That's what murder is for
So only are forced awake in arena
Sorry I'm not a coder
Ive seen very few active Stowaways
Once was during a Gutter exploration with Spear and the other ate a Redipede as Saint
the undergrowth experience?

maybe this is why they sleep 24/6.99999
stowaways you'd never know existed, a roaming demon from the depths of hell, and a surpise echo
We love the hell worms (red centi's not the one's in Rubi)
what’s wrong with the ones in rubi 

very minor
Gooeyducks!!
still soilers 
pop fruit 
Scugs dont have as much variability as scavs do
At most, a scug one would just be images of pups with random flat colors
But,,, skrunkly 
I've seen a scug STRETCH ON WILL ACROSS MULTIPLE ROOMS (in joop)
scavs are just way more sillier and funnier than scugs
carl
carl
My fuckign gifs 
nuh uh
i poor
no spend ermm
a dollar
rather spend that on silksong
cause its definitely coming out this year
and watcher
sorrgy i ated silksong so it's not releasing
didnt change much
i eated deltarune
is noodlefly name spoiler? #1346452245046235157 message
Exists in Surv/Monk Outskirts, so allowed under <@&981421790339403807>
Though I recall there being some different guidelines for FP posts?
yeah as they outskirt creatures I asked here :D
YIPPIE
question are the reds thing in vanilla?
Reds are in vanilla and lineageable
ah so next thing we can wait for
MSC adds ||caramels, strawberries and trains||
Oh and ||eels||
So colour lizards and salamanders are vanilla and the rest is dlc
msc adds trains 🚃 
They finally met a leaper :3
Also their cycle count is getting really high
I think I remember seeing from someone that lineaged every red that the creature spawns started breaking around that number altho it may have been due to the lineages

YOOOOOOOO
:3

When will Castrix lineage a red and decide to tame that too 
who knows
I don't think I've seen as clear an example of the lineage system in a first playthrough as Castrix's kelp, spitter, and now cyan liz
They theorized it was like the creatures evolving or smth 
Cas's last passage to get is Outlaw
Do we celebrate when she gets it or nah 
i'm not sure... do we let her know that she's got them all
The message itself could be pinned
Its not often a first playthrougher gets every passage
i'm kinda curious which cyan lineage cas did
either is plausible, she's spent long enough in HI
or maybe the one lower down
Either way, if she kills it she may or may not be in for a surpsie 
Yes we certainly should I'll go get the drinks /silly
i’m eepy though 
i have to do 2 projects and im so tired 
or not really tired
my eyes hurt
oh wait
this isnt gnederal
how did i get here

<@&1137895527271379055> wanna try to figure out what our title spoiler policy should be and maybe iron out a few things? Obviously <@&981421790339403807> isnt perfect because we dont wanna share pole plants and such, but some stuff is ok
liiikee.... how do we feel about scavengers
lizards seem fine to me for sure
i also want to try help figure it out even though im not qualified to 
Not a fphelper
But I'd prefer avoiding scavs, they're surprisingly difficult to find in SU (I didn't know that gate even existed till I looked at a map)
whats su
And they're a pretty cool creature to be surprised by
yes
Outskirts -> Suburban -> SU
o
true, I'd definitely avoid wormgrass too for the same reason
also mos lizars are ok i think
honestly lizards might be the only thing
since like if a person who doesnt know a red lziar is
looks at "red lizard" they would just think
squidcada feels ok
"oh lizards can be red!'
they're pretty outskirtsy
as long as it doesnt like "wow red lizards spit and kill everytthing in one bite and are fast"
but tbh we really could just go full 1984 and only allow lizard
Lizards should be green or pink if they specify, otherwise it's soilers imo
ye
Squids are probably fine, as are infant centis I think
tbf a lot of people call pinks reds
True
especially if they happen to see some red ones
yea
Fair, yea
but anything that's obvioiusly past outskirts would be good to kill
in terms of lizards
ya
Definitely, yea
asnyways i helped figure it out give me first playthrough helper role NOW!!! /silly /j
anyways off to bed


I'm honestly fine w pole plants am i crazy
I guess like if it's in the context of them being in Outskirts "I need help (shows Outskirts screenshot)" maybe that's fine?
I feel like even then it could be posted one message down tbh
I dont like anything that could ruin a surprise, and pole plants are a good surprise
They're such a jumpscare of a creature if you don't know they exist, it's a shame to take that away from someone
most first pole plant reactions are pretty awesome
I had spoilers for lore but not gameplay in my first playthrough
So it was still very fun
And I did get jumpscared by the dropwig
Hmmm true
it's so awesome that dropwigs are used like, twice in the main campaign
No one expects it and you expect more dropwigs
it's like horror movies that use sparing jumpscares to keep you in suspense
Genious
🤌
Rest in piece CC dropwig 😔
Peak has been lost
eaten by a caramel
Delicious
I think there's a mod to bring it back
chimneywig*
Ofc there is LMAO
I argue no, just don't have any spoilers in the title
including lizards
for simplicity
less work clarifying the rules, though
maybe lizards as a concept get a pass for being on the title screen but that adds an annoying amount of complexity
i’m with this 
better to not spoil new players on literally anything
I would argue that [LIST OF ALLOWED THINGS: GREEN LIZARD, PINK LIZARD] is pretty concise tbf
but 0 is less than 2
could also result in more interesting names if the first playthrougher hasn’t been spoiled on the names of lizards somehow
nonono lizards as a concept, no colors
at least
more interesting than just [color] lizard 
but probably it's better to just not allow them
I could go either way personally, I dont see a huge difference
color falls further along the complexity spectrum
also unrelated but I just noticed this is a fallen train car
I knew it was a train car but I never realized it was meant to be fallen

I did get a Red Centipede in mine 


spectakoo managed to lineage a red centi in sky islands
How long did you spend in sub 
I just constantly died and I had a feeling I may want to keep my Karma at the maximum 
So I typically died and immediately hibernated again
Ah
This is also the first time I ever dropped down the pit
Though I had a bunch of ventures into the MSC-added pathway between FS and the left side
CC, wall, sub, sky islands… literally only 4 times I can remember lol
there's one in each of CC, UW and SB and none anywhere else
the sub one barely gets proper encounters
it ends up hanging in that far-left room by the merchant where players dont often end up
I come into chat seeing lineage, I don't understand so I'm out
None in SI as Survivor
Oh there aren’t!?
Maybe I saw it as hunter then
I only remember them in CC, TW, and ST in my survivor playthrough
The first encounter in CC scared my deep soul
Yeah it had an explosive spear as bait
So I stabbed it and the explosion blew it into the air lol
Tbh I would go for no discussion past tutorial area
eh, not mentioning even Lizards?
actually you do see Lizards in the title screen 
Yea but you dont know that they have different abilities and stuff
Just that they exist
This would prevent any spoilers which is ideal
And its not like a hard ban like it would be in offtopic chats
It can be spoilered
Mostly okayish. Prefer to discourage but not a hard "no"
not fphelper but been present quite lot so I give my opinion if that's fine:
I share same sentiment as mottlepounce, mostly discourage but not a hard no regarding outskirt stuff. however not so oblivious things you may not come accross in initial playthrough of outskirts as in grass, pole plants, scavs. should be not present in title/in initial message
cyanzards are so silly
Was the decision to not tell cas about abstraction?
Cas has now found the purple SL pearl 
I think shes read almost every colored pearl now besides the SC one and the ones that were lost to scavs
Addendum: Read Viridian GW pearl, Dark Magenta SB pearl, Bright Purple SL pearl
Collected FA pearl, not read
Hasn't seen Deep Magenta SC pearl yet
The other 3 are definitively lost pearls she'll have to use a new Survivor save for or use Hunter if she can
wait if the scags take color porl its gone??
Yes, without remix key item tracking

i want to kill every scav 🥹
So what do we do when/if Cas finds the SC pearl and theres no more pearls to find
Cuz the other 3 pearls she could find are all stolen
She could go back to journaling
let me give you this new invention :

🥹
Or hunting for white/FP pearls to read






Cas is writing a novel frfr
Close on the theory about the rot! But not quite there
uhmm the rot is like a rot
Almost. Once she was with scavs in a gate and they were on the other side, but iirc she didnt figure out they can cross the gate when you move far away
Never mind she likely figured it out with cyan liz later on














