Old FP Guide Coordination [Archived]

[crude oxide]

[atomic locust]

oooooooo 👻 u wanna apply

[twin ridge]

I already applied now I'm waiting...
Everyone else apply for fphelper!!!!!

[late copper]

maybe I should do that

[modern harness]

[crude oxide]

i don't spend much time in fp threads

[grave stag]

<@&1137895527271379055> https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1335159915303538708 someone please repost this initial message

[hoary hemlock]

done

[grave stag]

thanks!

[atomic locust]

yes

[grave stag]

I wanted to link this comic so badly https://www.reddit.com/r/rainworld/comments/1gptann/the_first_time_rain_world_player_experience/#lightbox
to this thread as first reaction to the gourmand #1333814532375580724 message but realized they haven't most likely met pebbles or been in memory crypts so will post it here instead

[gray musk]

I feel like you accidentally didn't include one link :)

[grave stag]

copypaste tool played me ;-;

[gray musk]

Assumed so.

[grave stag]

I am not sure who kept the name list but here is new name for wolf grass I think :D #1333814532375580724 message

or wait it's leaches :D

[hoary hemlock]

Very interesting observations

Not gonna lie I never did quite think about some of those lore questions

[tranquil mulch]

and a lore misconception is there already

or technically a misunderstanding that's common in the community

regarding SOS

[hoary hemlock]

Which one?

[hoary hemlock]

Like why would the benefactors make the shelters too small for themselves

[tranquil mulch]

removing the ambiguity from SOS may or may not have found the solution and making it SOS *did* find the solution

[hoary hemlock]

Right, I see

[tranquil mulch]

since it's MSC, the collection menu is there, not sure whether to suggest to re-read the Pearl

[hoary hemlock]

I was going to suggest that, since they made a connection between SoS and Void Worms due to misreading sliver as silver

Still, the Practical section seems very nice

At least they don't assume that centis only react to noise, however.

[twin ridge]

@late copper was the implication of another route into pebbs what you're worried about?

[late copper]

yes

[twin ridge]

They haven't fixed that, just spoilered it

[late copper]

I think it's fine since they know there's alternative routes in pebbles

[twin ridge]

Do they?
RTA isn't easy to wander into

Oh, I see
They've already been told about alternate routes

Should be fine then 👍

[teal timber]

Bubblewort

[atomic locust]

the do aquatic creatures survive the rain cycle one is pretty fun, because every hazer we see in vanilla is beached, implying they swam around during the floods and got stuck when the waters receeded

[hoary hemlock]

i never thought of that

[thin rampart]

That's a really clever thought, I've never thought of that

[glad void]

soilers ... (nevermind )

[teal timber]

Castrix is at the Wall gate and they have a grapple worm.

. . .

If they don't go there then the Pilgrimmage seems plausible

OK so if they try for the Wall it's fairly likely they'll meet the echo of Nineteen Spades, Endless Reflections

[tiny glacier]

How common are Orange lizards in Sky Islands

[quick elk]

They are everywhere, you likely cannot miss them

[tiny glacier]

Oh right

In that one connector room

Near the echo

And the other room

[teal timber]

One pack in the building below the westmost shelter, which is fairly impossible to avoid. That doesn't mean people figure out how they work, though, they're one of the more difficult-to-parse lizards.

(I'm confident Castrix can figure it out, though )

And one more near one of the bridges.

[modern harness]

[glad void]

[teal timber]

I'm watching.

[glad void]

[teal timber]

gotta wait for him to finish talking with the echo of Nineteen Spades, Endless Reflections first

[glad void]

[silver musk]

[modern harness]

[crude oxide]

Do they know?

[atomic locust]

pretty sure ive seen someone guess shoreline's saint name before, funnily enough

[grave stag]

the funny coincidences :D

[tiny glacier]

No way

[glad void]

how do they keepdoing this

[tiny glacier]

Half right

Oh wait nvm Shaded is Frosted Cathedral

But the whole region…

[modern harness]

More like a 4th right

Frosted Cathedral - Silent Construct

[crude oxide]

Frosted Cathedral is such a cool name
And i like that they kept that part untouched so you can be utterly shocked when you see what happened to the rest of SH, which happened to me

[dark tiger]

what are we? some kind of shaded citadel?

[twin ridge]

I'll be very interested to see if they can work out the actual requirements for echoes

If so, the level of exploration and how thorough they're being will probably lead to a pilgrimage followed by meeting pebbs and ascending

[turbid bane]

#1335658772466630668 message this is surreal its like my playthrough all over again

the cycle repeats itself

[teal timber]

Welcome to the Cycle

[shrewd timber]

Blue Lizard if it ascended

[turbid bane]

#1282436849675014288 message i wonder how much water pebbles consumes

[grave stag]

they have yet to discover the reflect(parry as official name?) :D

[turbid bane]

should i do this in https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1282436849675014288

[teal timber]

Oh wait

this one's a bit special

IIRC

They're the one that figured it out by button-mashing their controller, remember?

[turbid bane]

oh?

WHAT

[teal timber]

They entered the controller version of the code by accident IIRC

[turbid bane]

i guess no use to do it there then

[teal timber]

But, I doubt they can replicate it, so the puzzle still stands.

but, check

[turbid bane]

oh

how exactly should i check

[tiny glacier]

Uh

[turbid bane]

very likely they dont know

[tiny glacier]

They wouldn’t know that it’s called

[turbid bane]

i know

i just wanted to test if they knew the code by any chance

[tiny glacier]

Ah

[teal timber]

Them finding it is pinned in their thread

[turbid bane]

does the order matter?

[teal timber]

They're on console so it's in morse code with bumpers, rather than keyboard.

[glad void]

[turbid bane]

ah

[tiny glacier]

I was a Switch player first before switching to PC

[turbid bane]

im guessing its still sofanthiel either way

[tiny glacier]

Yes

[turbid bane]

just in morse code

[tiny glacier]

Wait why is Inv also called Enot?

[turbid bane]

heheheha

[modern harness]

Enot has heartz lore

[turbid bane]

someone had a dream about a 9th slugcat

[tiny glacier]

Ah

[turbid bane]

and it was called enot

"enot has heartz"

[tiny glacier]

What

Enot has egg

[tiny glacier]

Uh oh

Impending doom approaches

[turbid bane]

[tiny glacier]

tonE

leihtnafoS

vnI

[turbid bane]

HOW DO YOU ACCIDENTALLY TYPE THAT WITH BUMPERS

[tiny glacier]

By being god

Or John Rain World

[modern harness]

You were saying?

[turbid bane]

he did it again

kind of suspicious but oh well

[modern harness]

Yeah but oh well

[turbid bane]

should i speed up sending the arg clues due to him already finding the character?

[turbid bane]

remind me to mention this later

[teal timber]

Spot on with one, of course.

They're no way they were gonna guess "Suburban Drifts" so

[turbid bane]

yeah

[tiny glacier]

This player is psychic

[turbid bane]

this player could guess the whole watcher dlc without even seeing it through bumper morse code

[tiny glacier]

Again, the infinite monkey theorem

[teal timber]

Now do they know the name for the Communications Array

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[turbid bane]

HOW IS THAT SO CLOSE

HOW

HOW

[teal timber]

I feel like they're playing with us-

[turbid bane]

SAME

[tiny glacier]

No way

[modern harness]

At this point Im willing to bet they heard something and either dont fully remember or are having fun with us

[turbid bane]

yea lol

[teal timber]

no clue how they'd guess "primal"

[turbid bane]

its still fun though

[atomic locust]

definitely lying but not worth caring about

[tiny glacier]

Yeah

[turbid bane]

its fun anyway

they are definitely messing with us

"depths renamed to hell"

[modern harness]

100%

[turbid bane]

thats too far

[modern harness]

"Hell Region" in the code

[turbid bane]

oh my god

[modern harness]

For Rubi

[turbid bane]

oh by the way what did i miss in that "something something reality" room as saint

it was just some giant black room

[atomic locust]

you forgot to beat fez with a 100% save 🙄

[modern harness]

Layers of Reality room...

[turbid bane]

fez?

[modern harness]

A game

[turbid bane]

oh

ive never heard of it

[modern harness]

Me neither

[atomic locust]

the room includes an easter egg ending that requires you to 100% fez to access it

(nothing too crazy)

[turbid bane]

lmao

[atomic locust]

hmm i have a hunch

[modern harness]

Beat the game without beating the game real

[atomic locust]

i think our first playthrougher in question is reading this :^)

[turbid bane]

"Yes yes"

[modern harness]

Wouldnt surprise me

Theyre in the member list for the forum

[turbid bane]

how do we tell if hes looking?

papyrus say "hello" if you are reading this

[atomic locust]

no way to know and no reason to care, just a funny thought

[turbid bane]

heres a picture of papyrus 👻

can whites do that or was it a strawberry covered in snow

[narrow owl]

(it's a strawberry)

[glad void]

this is such a wonderful message

[grave stag]

poor thing is in metropolis thinking there is another iterator

[modern harness]

Its happened before iirc

Dunno why you had to add "poor thing" 😭

[grave stag]

dw neither do I

probably because scavs are pain

[tranquil mulch]

I blame the persistent personification of the puppets in the community

[atomic locust]

iterator tower

[thin rampart]

'blue thingo'

[atomic locust]

i dunno if that counts as a name

maybe too descriptivd

[grave stag]

Btw were you the one keeping the name list?

[atomic locust]

nah that's @teal timber

[teal timber]

Blue thingo is probably too descriptive I think

[grave stag]

When I showed some of my RW art where there was scav my friend just named it as
"Revengeful deer"

Feel free to add that to the name list

[atomic locust]

would probably fall under the general deer umbrella Id think 🤔

adjective + name

[grave stag]

True

[thin rampart]

Yeah the blue thingo couldn't ever be confused with any other items in the game

[glad void]

friend originally called noodleflies freak bugs

[thin rampart]

who knows, maybe they are freak bugs

[thin rampart]

Is it worth mentioning @enlightenment here..?

[atomic locust]

on it ‼️

[thin rampart]

Thank you Kalum

Gotta get the rwsc advertising in early

[atomic locust]

my policy with RWSCs in first playthroughs is just to let them know the opportunity exists if they are already on the path towards it 🙂

[thin rampart]

Yeah that's what I thought

I was like, wait they've already got nine on the way. They could totally get one of the challenges done and that might be really cool for a new player.

Yknow

[late copper]

kalum ancient

[atomic locust]

🙂

next, Watchers

[turbid bane]

should i say what throwboosting is?

[twin ridge]

nah, they aren't currently stuck there

[turbid bane]

alr

[twin ridge]

it's not something they desperately need in the moment, they'll figure it out later or someone will tell them when they're stuck somewhere

[turbid bane]

good to know

[twin ridge]

@late copper

[turbid bane]

that is so muc better

[twin ridge]

(it does edit that other one a couple of rooms away so you're less likely to end up down there)

[late copper]

I'm surprised I didn't know that lol

[turbid bane]

at least im asking before writing it

🥹

[late copper]

?

[twin ridge]

does the challenge submission form itself have spoilers for a first playthrough user

[grave stag]

the channel may have spoilers I think

[twin ridge]

they shouldn't need to open the channel

[silver musk]

I don't think so

[crude oxide]

The form itself only has chall names

Although you still have to send the proof to the rwsc chat

[twin ridge]

i've sent links to their messages in rwscs, then linked that message back to them to submit, yea

[silver musk]

Not really

This is not a hard requirement

[crude oxide]

I see

[late copper]

Funny how they haven't even met pebbles

[gray musk]

What's the meta with people who reache the top of the wall? Do we tell them about the spear thing?

[late copper]

this is somewhat of a point of contention among helpers

personally I would avoid it whenever possible. if we do tell them sometimes we give them hints to discover the tech on their own

[silver musk]

I think I saw that exact case in recomendations

[late copper]

recommendations?

[silver musk]

Uh yeah... it is not a guideline

Nvm

Meant that one

[tranquil mulch]

tbh that pipe should have been hidden

[late copper]

I agree

[silver musk]

What a punch in a gut to go all that way up for nothing tho

[tranquil mulch]

echo though

[silver musk]

No mark, teleported back, visible confusion

I dunno if it's worth

[grave stag]

I personally feel like for first time the player shouldn't be guided to 5p from the wall unless they themselves try to get there too badly

[late copper]

Plenty of players naturally find their way there

[grave stag]

True

[late copper]

Not all of them feel like it's a "punch in a gut" when they find themselves at a dead end, but I think the obvious pipe upwards cause those who do to become even more frustrated, spending a lot of time trying to get into the pipe instead of simply accepting that they must go backwards

[grave stag]

For those kinds of players I would give subtle hints about the spear back flip as they won't give up anytime soon :D

[late copper]

I don't think how the game executes this part is perfect - the echo and max karma increase usually only confuse them and the conditions to meet other echoes are absolutely not intuitive

This is essentially how I feel about it (read ~20 messages below from here) #watcher-spoilers message

[grave stag]

Fair. I had no idea how to meet echoes before I spoiled myself party with wiki while doing hunter

[atomic locust]

tbh im surprised we havent seen more people try to climb moon's chamber when seeing that upwards pipe

[tranquil mulch]

Hence why hiding the pipe would be good for UW

[late copper]

I think a better solution would be to put it offscreen, like if a room was added between the room before the echo and the city room, and the pipe to the city room was hidden on an unreachable screen to the right. Make the room have food or something so players don't suspect a way offscreen

I'm not a big fan of a lot of the hidden pipes in MSC regions

[modern harness]

The unneccesarily hidden Metro pipes:

Like that one in the ceiling of a miros room but on the other end

[late copper]

I think that's partly due to just how high up and more obviously out of reach that pipe is, and Shoreline being less linear & difficult than the Wall. I imagine if the Wall pipe was simply hidden, players would still try to get to it, unless it was also hidden from the map

[modern harness]

Holy shit, purple

[grizzled prism]

more blueish

tho I'm terrible at tellling what counts as purple

eh i'd count it

offering time

[tranquil mulch]

What's the hue, in HSV?

[tranquil mulch]

246/360 ≈ 0.6833

That's out of the 0.5–0.65 range and is therefore a rare mouse

[grizzled prism]

damn

let's go

I can't wait till a new players encounters a rare mouse and is like ooh that's cool I wanna keep it

[modern harness]

<@&1121561261734363208> porpaganda......

[teal timber]

Castrix: the first player I know of about to enter the Leg having already found a grapple worm.

[turbid bane]

[teal timber]

(the Pit™️ is not claiming this one )

[turbid bane]

we may never know

[atomic locust]

alternate universe where they did the IGN review

🐬 🌈 ✨

[lapis talon]

What happened with the IGN review?

Is that the one where the person playing it sucked at the game?

[turbid bane]

Skill issue ngl

[mighty fjord]

does anyone have that spreadsheet of all of the creature names coined by new players that one person made?

[feral shale]

check pins

[tiny glacier]

If only

[mighty fjord]

OH i didnt realize it was pinned Thanx!!

[quick elk]

Sadly the IGN reviewers kinda just want to speedrun through every game to see as much as possible in little time, but RW is made with exact opposite mentality

[turbid bane]

Lame

Should have made their own #1272670046434492426 thread

Smh

[tiny glacier]

Yeah

They missed out

Guess they didn’t look for the discord

Actually there is someone better to make the review for RW

John Rain World

[turbid bane]

💥

[tiny glacier]

Why did you drop a bomb on my house

Not very cool

[turbid bane]

💥

[tiny glacier]

[turbid bane]

:(

[tiny glacier]

[crude oxide]

Not only IGN reviewers. That's how the whole industry works. You need to publish a review as fast as possible or a competitor does it earlier, which forces journalists to complete games as quickly as possible, not paying due attention to important aspects of a game. They even often complete games with cheats, this is absurd

[turbid bane]

[modern harness]

This is why I dint trust game reviewers

Some guy on IGN gave The Last Guardian 7/10 clearly its a 100/10 game >:(((

[silver musk]

I don't recall ever looking for journalist reviews. Random youtubers make better job at showcasing games

[tiny glacier]

Critics/game reviewers cannot be trusted

Unless they give something under a 5

Or 50%

[turbid bane]

cuphead review

🔥

[modern harness]

The tutorial...

[modern harness]

Even then

[turbid bane]

Press button to dash!

[modern harness]

How did they manage to hire a guy for the Cuphead review that was so bad that platforming they couldnt press 2 buttons together

[turbid bane]

IKR

Literally how

[tiny glacier]

Like honestly did that person never play a video game before?

Like a 6 year old could do that jump in around 10 attempts brobably

[twin ridge]

i saw a video comparing it to a literal child

the child figured that out instantly and only was behind at the end of the tutorial due to reading every word in it slowly

[modern harness]

Castrix is baving a great time in MC

[turbid bane]

the ducks sure are a pain

#1322956288854065162 message what bells? i dont understand

i have literally no idea what the "bell" is

someone pls tell me

[late copper]

maybe it's a sound effect

I've heard that there's an ambient sound effect that plays in many rooms containing bell sounds

[turbid bane]

i dont think ive heard it

[atomic locust]

I wonder how well castrix will do on Hunter

`cause like

being super familiar with the map is nice

but also I expect this playthrough to exceed 500 cycles easily

so it will certainly be a... change of pace

[modern harness]

Tru

[turbid bane]

maybe simular to mine but with better knowledge

[twin ridge]

[twin ridge]

Is there any sort of process for people like Castrix who are in a first playthrough but interested in chals, to introduce them to a few of the simpler ones that aren't spoilers?

[atomic locust]

personally I wouldnt wanna distract em too much; the way I go about challenge stuff in first playthroughs is just to tell them about stuff they encounter that might be adjacent to a challenge

like, if they're bringing neurons to moon I'll mention <@&820300878035943457>

or if they're bringing pearls somewhere, <@&710572930102460486> is a good one

dont wanna derail their run too badly

[twin ridge]

hm, fair
it's stuff like Flytrap and Visitor i'm thinking of, especially in the right general area
(only for people who've expressed that they're interested in them ofc, wouldn't dump those on them if they don't care)

castrix for example i'd consider mentioning Leukocyte to once they've gone up leg a bit, as they've already expressed an interest in challenges and that's a pretty simple one

[thin rampart]

I dunno about visitor, cause you can only really do that right at the start

[twin ridge]

weren't they still there after 200 cycles

it's reasonably easy to loop back to outskirts from farm arrays if you don't figure out deer quickly

[thin rampart]

I feel like any challenge that requires video evidence is something that is difficult to introduce because then there is a more active effort to beat the challenge due to recording nsuch.

[twin ridge]

true true
flytrap's pretty easy because it's a short clip, but visitor being a full cycle is a bit trickier

[thin rampart]

I suppose, can you really do visitor after completely leaving outskirts? I assumed there was a rule against that or something.

[twin ridge]

you can do visitor 1000 cycles in if you wanted to

lol

it's just to get back to the platform

[thin rampart]

I didn't know that lol

Thatd explain why it's rated so easy

[atomic locust]

I mostly just dont wanna derail their playthrough

its easy to get sucked into challenges, and its easy to end up getting spoiled from that

[twin ridge]

fair

tell them to do rwscs after finishing (or knowing all of) hunter

[thin rampart]

That's what I was thinking, especially with any challenge that requires video evidence.

Because I feel like most new players don't think to record and aren't looking for certain situations for challenge completion unless they're told.

[atomic locust]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1299923377925918720 chat they're doing the thing

the funny

[glad void]

wow i wonder who that is

[atomic locust]

the "pair up the first playthroughers" thing

[glad void]

we already did survivor together but we're skipping the second tier !~~~~!

[glad void]

i'll let them decide whether they want to go wall or underhang ...

underhang would be very fun

[twin ridge]

can't wait for castrix to meet blueberries

[turbid bane]

I wonder what the nickname will be

[turbid bane]

If she ever plays spearmaster please remind me

[teal timber]

T.L.C.O.A.D.L.L.S.A.A.C.H.

fantastic

[turbid bane]

[teal timber]

finally a name that tops W.A.B.A.F.B.A.

[turbid bane]

what does that stand for

[teal timber]

a long string of curse words they came up with upon first seeing a vulture

(it's from Youtube)

[turbid bane]

[teal timber]

(more specifically, "B.A.F.B.A." refers to a regular vulture, "W.A.B.A.F.B.A." is a scissor vulture)

[turbid bane]

[twin ridge]

It's perfect

[grave stag]

Is that kind of spoiling bit too much?

[atomic locust]

yeh

[turbid bane]

Is that a tip for centis?

Its wayy too much

[grave stag]

it was for dll s

[turbid bane]

Oh

[atomic locust]

centis can see 🙂

[turbid bane]

Wait what

[atomic locust]

just only movement

[turbid bane]

Oh

[atomic locust]

its hard to tell the difference between that and hearing tbh

[turbid bane]

I would still just suggest to examine the creature closer

[atomic locust]

kelps also use movement

[turbid bane]

KELP CAN SEE????

[grave stag]

yeah I agree with that sentiment

[turbid bane]

2nd hint would be that every creature has an unique interaction to a behavior

(Like a lizard dash or centi movement eyes and etc)

[latent fractal]

Gotta love Castrix almost getting the lore exactly right

They're finally getting to the meaty part of the story

[turbid bane]

which part?

[latent fractal]

They kinda got the cause of the rain cycle right?

[turbid bane]

where

[latent fractal]

Not too far off tbh

Just uhhh...inverted?

I love the idea though

[turbid bane]

anyways

i wonder what 5P is gonna be called

mine was Santa...

[latent fractal]

Mmrrhhggf
Meeting Pebbles is always my favorite part of any playthrough

I love that depressed robot

[turbid bane]

[grave stag]

I still call 5p from time to time as edgy emo teenager :D

[latent fractal]

Honestly his hostility is valid
I would react in the exact same way if my super important project that I was giving 110% of my focus on was interrupted by my sister facetiming me, giving myself stage 5 cancer in the process

[dark tiger]

true!

[latent fractal]

I too, shut off all communications when I'm emotional

[modern harness]

As much as Id like to see Cas go through FP's region before meeting the big man himself for the effect it looks like theyre going Wall

[latent fractal]

Yeah well
Maybe they shouldn't have made the gate from UH into FP a 5 karma

[modern harness]

B-but how are players going to learn to properly survive where they are now so they cna actually pass the gate

Nothing beats the feeling of Random Gods getting louder as you approach his can from within, eventually exiting to find yourself atop the entire structure

[latent fractal]

Never done that tbh

[modern harness]

Its such a good feeling

[humble jasper]

rain world feels like im in a dream when i was first playing it

[dark tiger]

Hey the wall is cool

I know people argue that the journey through FP is better or more appropriate but the wall has its own awesome journey too

[modern harness]

True but then people miss out on random gods cuz they get shoved back into the exit

lol

Theyll miss like.. neurons and the Development but other than that FP's region is jsut rlly cool environment-wise

[dark tiger]

When I got shoved out I saw the other pipe and went back in to go through anyways

[modern harness]

True they can do that
But then FP would get angry and theyd have to take UH to get out lol

FP's area is a thing to work around

[dark tiger]

It's true

[latent fractal]

Missing Development is a pro.

[modern harness]

How tf is UH - FP as Survivor not possible
Please explain this to me

Because that would mean TW - FP wouldve been the ONLY viabke entrance to FP before Monk and Hunter were introduced to the game

[crude oxide]

the food respawns so there's plenty of it
and even without it there's enough

[modern harness]

Yeah but Points said it wasnt possible, for some reason

I cant wrap my head around it

[crude oxide]

there's at least 3 places with slime mold near the underhang-5p gate
bluefruit is near the gate too

[latent fractal]

Ok fair enough

I simply don't have the game knowledge

[turbid bane]

it was SCARY

but so good

[crude oxide]

i'm so glad i've experienced it on my first playthrough, i'll never forget it

[turbid bane]

same

anyways

castrix might not experience it...

and theres nothing we can do about it

[turbid bane]

No five pebbles....

[modern harness]

Yeahh

[crude oxide]

i'm sure she will eventually

[turbid bane]

yeah but not the peak way

[turbid bane]

oh no i hope the same wont happen as my 1st playthrough with subterranean

[modern harness]

The lower FP entrance vs higher FP entrance:

[turbid bane]

i wish we could suggest her to go there with just mentioning what she thinks but we cant!!

[modern harness]

[turbid bane]

[shrewd timber]

I used to be a UH - FP gate hater but I've come around to liking it now

I took the wall my first playthrough but I am sad that I didn't take the underhang route

I would've never found it tho cuz i was operating under the thought that kelp was unpassable

Never got to MC

[twin ridge]

i had a friend encourage me to stick it out for the underhang gate and it was absolutely worth it

[shrewd timber]

& didn't think to use a wormithy to get to UH

[twin ridge]

you would've had to find the chimney worm to get there as surviv, right? that left underhang worm doesn't exist

[shrewd timber]

Yep

Far enough to not be obvious, close enough to be useful

Grapple worm is also usable for the wall gate I think

[twin ridge]

ofc castrix brought it all the way around through memory crypts

[shrewd timber]

Yeah that's the CC one too LMAO

[twin ridge]

yeah

they did find the CC -> UW connection at least lol

[shrewd timber]

I found it the other way around

[twin ridge]

i basically took the entire "intended" path lol

[shrewd timber]

My route I think was
OS - IC - SC - SL - LTTM -
SL - GW - passage IC - CC - TW - FP
TW - CC - SI - FA - SB - FS - D

The lttm - fp route I think I'm misremembering

Because I remember going back to SC & not continuing to MC cuz of the kelp

I think I was generally lost and didn't know how to progress past that

[twin ridge]

i went SU -> HI -> GW -> SL -> moon -> SH -> UW -> underhang entrance -> down wall -> CC -> SI -> LF -> Sub lo

[shrewd timber]

The common route lol

[twin ridge]

just ended up picking the exact right path through shaded and industrial especially

[shrewd timber]

Some may say the intended route

Rest in piece DS

[twin ridge]

the iggy approved path

[shrewd timber]

Tonight millions will oversee

[twin ridge]

passage from wastes to industrial

[shrewd timber]

Yeah LOL

I went to GW thought (this is probably the way i should've gone) and then passage to IC to recuperate

Oh my friend is playing rain world btw

They found LTTM and she's down to 1 neuron

[twin ridge]

oh no

poor moon

[shrewd timber]

I was in a pathfinder game so I didn't see what he sent immediately

So when I was scrolling back I was like "oh no"

Just said "nice" to him cuz he got stolen enlightenment achievement as his first

[twin ridge]

no spoilers allowed even when he's killing the nice robot lady

[glad void]

vrlrvrd

celeste

[shrewd timber]

CHAT

NEW JOURNALING PLAYTHROUGH JUST DROPPED

Idk what to call them

Cas-likes?

[glad void]

@thorny lark i'd say let them figure it out by themself ..?

yeah

they seem to be on the right track ??

[thorny lark]

You're pinging me in an unrelated thread...that's kinda silly, isn't it?

[thin rampart]

Woah this is really cool

[glad void]

it is related

look at the name

[strong hemlock]

Little do they know explosive spears can kill dll’s

[grave stag]

that person is very capable of solving stuff

[thin rampart]

this is like playing word scramble

is this name list worthy

[atomic locust]

they used that in the context of not having a name for it

so no methinks

[glad void]

that name sounds like it's describing the bombs instead of the vulture

the bombs shoot evil miros bird vultures !!

[tiny glacier]

Hooray!

The Evil Miros Bird Vulture-Shooting Bombs!

[shrewd timber]

How'd they find out it's called a dll now that I'm thinking abt it

[teal timber]

Independent invention I think? That we may have accidentally reinforced, IDK.

no wait I thought you were talking about Castrix

[twin ridge]

#1322956288854065162 message castrix came up with daddy long legs being part of it on their own lol

(also, i believe they consider BLLs and DLLs the same creature atm)

[teal timber]

I mean they're. not wrong.

[twin ridge]

true
however they're technically distinct in behaviour and i don't think they've realised yet

[shrewd timber]

Inch resting

[turbid bane]

I think my route was: SU - HI - GW - SL - SC - UW - FP - UW - CC - SI - FA - SB

[turbid bane]

Lol yea

[shrewd timber]

The canonical route

Iggy approved

[turbid bane]

Not really

I never brought moon a neuron

(And i killed moon)

[lapis talon]

Mine was the intended route except I raged at Sky Islands and went thru CC -> IC -> OS -> FA route

(I was spoiled)

[turbid bane]

Rip

[turbid bane]

Wait nvm i forgot i went in a loop from GW to DS then from there to SC

Idk how exactly it went but its weird

[twin ridge]

#1322956288854065162 message pin

[turbid bane]

Castrix ALEADY SOLVED 1 STEP OF THE INV RIDDLE WITHOUT KNOWING IT OR PLAYING MSC

[twin ridge]

[turbid bane]

Five pebbles time

[turbid bane]

Castrix isnt visiting five pebbs?

[crude oxide]

I thought she'd explore 5p

[turbid bane]

Maybe its because pebbs said "please exit through my.... shaft"

I forgot the name

NVM!!!!

FIVE PEBBLES TIMEE

[shrewd timber]

Exploring down from TW is a choice

[twin ridge]

she's going to get repeatedly murdered by 5P while trying to leave out the top again

[crude oxide]

#1322956288854065162 message🥹

[shrewd timber]

Yeah

Actually Did cas shelter alr?

[turbid bane]

Umm...

[twin ridge]

at the top, yea

[turbid bane]

Not after pebbs

[twin ridge]

popcorn used though

[shrewd timber]

Oh its doomed

Unlucky

[twin ridge]

so she hasn't sheltered post pebbs

[shrewd timber]

Ohhhh

[turbid bane]

Yeah...

[shrewd timber]

Then It's doable

[turbid bane]

Blueberry doom

[twin ridge]

if she dies this cycle, she can exit through the other pipe right away

then it's fine

[turbid bane]

NEVERMIND

no pebbs

[teal timber]

@ashen narwhal

[ashen narwhal]

Being watched?

lmao

[grizzled prism]

perhaps this is something we can use to out advantage

[ashen narwhal]

BRUH

[teal timber]

(they appear in Pipeyard right)

(pretty sure they appear in Pipeyard)

[ashen narwhal]

Blind creatures see, and the ones that see dont according to the cards

[grizzled prism]

didn't these exist before msc?

those descriptions could be switched and it would make more sense tbh

[ashen narwhal]

what is this forum exactly?

[grizzled prism]

the thread? it's for first playthrough help discussion

[ashen narwhal]

oh

[teal timber]

Coordinating help without having to talk in front of players.

[grizzled prism]

yea avoiding spoiling them n stuff

[ashen narwhal]

Oh, cool.

[teal timber]

(and also forwarding and ing all of Castrix's theories and journal notes)

[twin ridge]

And without having it be easily visible to people trying to figure out where to get help

[twin ridge]

That's also rw-lore

[teal timber]

If you wanna check whether someone knows about something you can ask in here for example

[ashen narwhal]

cool, Castrix really plays the game the best way.

Best RW survivor experience

[ashen narwhal]

cool

[teal timber]

and we'll ping you here if you spoil something and we want you to delete it discreetly

[ashen narwhal]

Well, guess i can ask first here if i think something might be a spoiler

[teal timber]

yeah exactly

[turbid bane]

Cas might lose wormithy here unless she finds the swing area

[teal timber]

Castrix has attained the Wanderer Passage

[turbid bane]

How is that gonna help with wormithy

[teal timber]

I'd think wormithy will help with the bridges?

[turbid bane]

How is she gonna get past that one jump thougb

[teal timber]

one of them you can swing under and land on a lower platform, IIRC

[turbid bane]

Yeah thats what i meant

By swinging platform area thjng

[teal timber]

@turbid bane skill issue

[turbid bane]

[crude oxide]

it's definitely pre-dlc

[teal timber]

right

[tiny glacier]

How?

[turbid bane]

"this looks like a desert"

-mentioning the 5P city

[tiny glacier]

Dang

Castrix is gonna solve it without playing Arti

[turbid bane]

i doubt

[tiny glacier]

Im joking

[thin rampart]

Was Castrix also the one guessing the Saint regions?

Or was that someone else

[glad void]

no

that was the papyrus guy

[thin rampart]

Oh lol

[glad void]

[thin rampart]

Guess I'm not hunter knowing after all

[glad void]

hunter unknowing

[teal timber]

Continue your mission to what

I suppose they will actually get there after beating the game-

[modern harness]

Probably gonna see if they can talk to Moom

[teal timber]

oh yeah they said that I think

but

They're going to Farm Arrays

OH nevermind

they're at the CC gate not the FA one

OK

Map knowledge fail

[turbid bane]

i wonder when shes gonna realise what the neuron icon means for the overseer

i hope this <@&1121561237826838600> is saveable

it is not saveable

oh well

[teal timber]

kinda glad they haven't been through Five Pebbles at the moment

lightless Citadel time

[modern harness]

We need a counter for people who keep swimming down and miss The Light

It keeps happening lmao

[teal timber]

eh

that's just approximately the number of threads

and, also, we don't want that annoyance to ruin the tone of the ending more than it already does.

[modern harness]

Yea

[turbid bane]

what annoyance?

[teal timber]

missing the Light during the ending

[turbid bane]

oh

tbh it didnt really make me annoyed

[modern harness]

A scenario:

Youve been swimming down the entire time so you think you have to keep going straight down

So you swim

And swim

For several minutes

[turbid bane]

ye i did that

[teal timber]

everyone does

[modern harness]

Turns out, you randomly had to turn right at some point

[turbid bane]

thats so stupid though i agree

[modern harness]

Instead of keep going down like youve been doing until the worm grabbed you

[turbid bane]

maybe the light should be visible by just going down... not by going right too

[modern harness]

They couldve replaced the egg to be straight down or jsut surround the player with the egg everywhere except straight up so theyd get the ending no matter where they went if they jsut swam a bit

[turbid bane]

yeah!!

i have no idea who had the idea to move it to the right...

[teal timber]

Or make the other slugcats swim towards the light instead of following you.

[turbid bane]

that would be the best solution

[modern harness]

Yeah

[tranquil mulch]

tbh on my first playthrough I assumed that being pulled by the Void Worm was enough swimming down and just swam into a bunch of direction until I noticed the light, since if they wanted to keep swimming down, then the Void Worm was for nothing

[modern harness]

You keep swimming then see yourselves swimming towards the light so as a natural reaction, you follow them

[teal timber]

Good logic actually

[tranquil mulch]

part that and part that I wanted to play around and race with the other ghosts

[turbid bane]

theres always that one scug thats just got the zoomies

[grave stag]

I did that originally 2 hours before realizing to find the light ;-;

[lapis talon]

Hours*

And you eventually give up and Google what to do next

Which completely breaks the immersion

[hoary hemlock]

i see, i see...

[turbid bane]

[hoary hemlock]

why are you rivboowomping this is really cool

they actually understood what Iggy said

[turbid bane]

Oh

i misunderstood it my bad

i thought they were watching a guide

[modern harness]

They know the name of it

[hoary hemlock]

yeah no thankfully not!!

[turbid bane]

yay

[modern harness]

That is the interactive map, and they know the name of a neuron

[hoary hemlock]

oh i didn't even notice

[turbid bane]

it is?

[modern harness]

You cna fiantly see the lines on the image

[hoary hemlock]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1337148113340600401 if you wanna check it out

[turbid bane]

this one?

[hoary hemlock]

also no sluh cat in the frame

[modern harness]

Yeh

[turbid bane]

[modern harness]

Id say theri spoiled but no idea how much

If they used the map, they already know every region name

[turbid bane]

i have no idea

[glad void]

someone monitor this maybe

[mighty fjord]

lol

[silver musk]

@crude oxide sorry I nuked your message they never saw a cyan yet

[turbid bane]

I like sky islanda because of the skill check it has

You can get past it in multiple ways but they all require something you learned

[crude oxide]

No Terry drawing i guess
I'll have to do one myself

[shrewd timber]

100%

It's a test of connecting creatures to mechanics& a good intro to what FA expects of you

It's just saturated by ungodly creature spawns somehow worse than CC (idm this), it only connects to two regions (Fixed in downpour) & it has that one weird camera room (fixed in Downpour)

[silver musk]

Calling pipeyard a fix is a stretch

[crude oxide]

I think it's a good alternate path to go from HI to SI
But ngl i don't care about the rest of pipeyard

[shrewd timber]

I'm a pipeyard defender till i DIE

My only complaint is sump tunnel & how py doesn't fit cleanly in the world map

[latent fractal]

That is valid, I should spend more time in there
Only as Artificer or Spearmaster though, for dealing with all the centipedes

[shrewd timber]

The centipedes aren't that bad just dodge
obligatory /j

[latent fractal]

I'd rather just explode them

[shrewd timber]

Ok but they're really not that bad

Pipeyard is good chat!!

It even has banger music what more could you want https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5D-SZOIwvE

[latent fractal]

On the topic of Arti actually

[shrewd timber]

Altho It's probably the weakest Threat music out of the DLC

[latent fractal]

Does anyone also accidentally pick up stunned predators accidentally like I did in this clip

[teal timber]

Looks to the Moon:

[shrewd timber]

That barely counts

[teal timber]

... exactly!

[shrewd timber]

[latent fractal]

Best downpour threat music is Metropolis
Vanilla is Sky Islands

[shrewd timber]

I'd rank them

1. Outer Expanse
2. Metropolis (Night)
3. Metropolis (Day)
4. Waterfront Complex
5. Gutter {I've never heard this in game}
6. Pipeyard
7. Looks to the Moon

[latent fractal]

Don't think I've ever heard the OE one
I feel like I suffered way too much near the end there as Gourm

The worm grass pit mainly

[shrewd timber]

Outer expanse threat is so cool to listen to

It's a very distinct sound

[latent fractal]

I'll give it a listen

[shrewd timber]

When gutter's vox instrument hits

[latent fractal]

Hell yes tho Metro got 2nd and 3rd

[shrewd timber]

[latent fractal]

Actually this might be a hot tale

Take

I dont like Waterfront Facilities threat music

It's kind of...unsettling?

It actually feels threatening

[teal timber]

⊗

[shrewd timber]

SAINT NO

Weirdly I have the opposite feeling of that

In my mind it's better shoreline threat

[latent fractal]

It is better than Shoreline
But something about it just rubs me the wrong way

[teal timber]

it's mostly good in the context of being a remix of Shoreline threat

[latent fractal]

Yea

[shrewd timber]

The bass + pad combo is so good

[latent fractal]

I need to spend more time there, but for some reason it gets extremely laggy on the left side of the region

[teal timber]

They're both cool songs but the fact that one builds off the other makes them both better as well.

[shrewd timber]

Yeah

[shrewd timber]

WF/GW (Past) moment

Can we agree that Past Garbage Wastes is bad

[latent fractal]

Yeah sure

[teal timber]

yeah

[latent fractal]

Not a fan of acid/rot/scav central

[teal timber]

did you know

on release

the map in past GW just

didn't work

[shrewd timber]

That tracks

[teal timber]

half the connections were missing

[latent fractal]

Oh now that sounds fun

[teal timber]

it's insanely rushed and it shows

[latent fractal]

Yknow in my (still unfinished) Saint run
My routing was so weird I had to go through Garbage like twice

I was starve cycling so much as well

[shrewd timber]

Upper GW as Saint is an experience

[latent fractal]

It was Islands, Chimney, Industrial, Outskirts, Drainage, Garbage, Silent Construct, back to Garbage due to difficulties, then Shoreline, then back to Construct thru the shoreline gate

Weird pathing ik

I am still in Construct for now, trying to find a way past the scav toll

[shrewd timber]

Cool

[latent fractal]

I see what you did there

Anyways
Uh
Would I have to start a new gourmand run in order to complete food quest

[shrewd timber]

I don't think it locks you out

[teal timber]

no

[latent fractal]

Yippie

Pros: I only had a few foods left
Cons: Red centipede.

[modern harness]

Hoping Castrix somehow realizes Moon describes/reads things to you

The possibilities

[latent fractal]

Ikr

[tiny glacier]

How have they not found out?

[latent fractal]

Wait until they bring Moon a colored pearl

[atomic locust]

tbf the world map tries to put everything on a flat plane

and also id argue subterranean is just as bad with map connections

[modern harness]

Crazy idea: World Map but everythings layers like how it is ingame for 3D environment feel

[teal timber]

nah, IC / GW / SC / SL form a rectangle and I will die on this tower

[tiny glacier]

Sub was added later

[shrewd timber]

i wish sub was LONGER 🌩️ 🌩️ 🌩️ 🌩️ 🌩️ 🌩️ 🌩️

[tiny glacier]

Big sub

Subterraneananean

[shrewd timber]

My one mod idea is an extended subterranean

[crude oxide]

SB is already big enough

[shrewd timber]

i want it to be longer

[crude oxide]

And long enough

[teal timber]

I think someone made that once but it was abandoned.

[shrewd timber]

My idea is a new region that's an underground aquifer that serves as a link to Subterranean, SL and Submerged Superstructure

LTTM collapses into it which gives claustrophic tunnels that lead up to a submerged leg

[latent fractal]

Oooooooh

[teal timber]

There's already a mod that ||adds some parts of Struts to SS||. But ||LTTM has multiple legs||

[shrewd timber]

TURE

[latent fractal]

Up to 6

[atomic locust]

I have played around with the idea of a subregion where we explore the ravines in the leviathan lake

I think it could be fun 🙂

[shrewd timber]

Yeah that was my main inspo

[modern harness]

oo

Castrix is gonna be so sad when Guardians

No more Wormithy...

[shrewd timber]

Basketball...

Cas might cheese rain deer via wormithy

unless they can't latch onto deer

[modern harness]

I think you can but hanging on the underside when deer like to do the flop is sketchy

[atomic locust]

it works.. sometimes

just dont grab their head or it'll hang below their bellies and dip you in the grass

[shrewd timber]

The vision

I was typing it up then I remember I sent it somewhere else

[modern harness]

Snowzz cheated to unlock Saint before beating Spear

[shrewd timber]

Womp womp

[crude oxide]

#downpour-spoilers message

[atomic locust]

my Vision personally leans more into Leviathan Horror with the dark tunnels 🙂

[shrewd timber]

Lol lmao

[crude oxide]

#1322956288854065162 message

[turbid bane]

[modern harness]

Damn, snailed....

[turbid bane]

🐌

[modern harness]

[turbid bane]

snailploded

[latent fractal]

A ripple on the physical plane, caused by someone who isn't there anymore

That's what I was going to say but

[turbid bane]

dont say it there

[latent fractal]

I DIDNT

I just

I want them to find more Echoes
And learn more about the Ancients and the Iterators

Grrr

[teal timber]

They seem basically correct.

[latent fractal]

They're really not far off yeah

[teal timber]

They just assume the iterators were made to stop the Rain

[latent fractal]

Yeah that's like, the one wrong thing that stands out there

At the very least, they'll learn if/when they do a Hunter run

[turbid bane]

they will just be a little bit more patient

[turbid bane]

five pebbles air dehumidifiers

[latent fractal]

Someone better warn them about Depths when the time comes tho
They wouldn't like the idea of a point of no return

[teal timber]

I could totally see Castrix doing pearl hunts, with their playstyle.

[teal timber]

They can continue the save

so no

[turbid bane]

if they find out about pearls

[modern harness]

Depths isnt rlly a point of no return, considering: ^

[latent fractal]

GAH I HOPE THEY DO

[teal timber]

They know they can show stuff to Looks to the Moon, and they don't know of many other ways to get lore. It's going to happen eventually.

[modern harness]

The onyl thing they wont like is being unable to bring Wormithy

[turbid bane]

i guess ill just start using the scholar role

maybe it could be an extremely subtle hint

pretty much unnoticable

[latent fractal]

Lol

[glad void]

they are NOT noticing that

[turbid bane]

[latent fractal]

Bro is not reading

[glad void]

wow this person's name color became a slightly lighter blue
this must be a hint to bring colored pearls to moon

[latent fractal]

I dropped a small hint earlier about Moon maybe liking them

But eh

[glad void]

forbidden m&ms

[teal timber]

I don't think they need hints, at least for now.

They're Castrix.

[modern harness]

Its better than Four Pebbles outright telling them what Scholar is by description

[turbid bane]

yeah exactly!!!!!

[modern harness]

Not very subtle xd

[turbid bane]

thats the biggest hint im giving

and the only

[glad void]

if we all became scholars then they'd maybe notice but they probably wouldn't make a connection to colored pearls

[teal timber]

That wouldn't work because I've never done RWSCs and I don't have <@&710572930102460486>

[glad void]

i don't have scholar either

just flytrap and broadcast

[turbid bane]

broadcast was your 1st challenge right?

[glad void]

yes

technically i completed flytrap first but didn't submit it until after

[crude oxide]

I do have scholar

Fun chall btw

[glad void]

there are no fun challenges

[turbid bane]

yay

[glad void]

accident

anyway off topic

[turbid bane]

nice

[crude oxide]

I did flytrap in SI too, when i did my very first monk playthrough (still not finished btw). I just thought "why don't i do flytrap if I'm in the room where it's possible" and started recording

I just realized

I did flytrap, tasty, feast, leukocyte, nomad, visions and symbiote during this monk playthrough
And i tried doing martyr and charged Apparently i attempted these two on a different save file

[latent fractal]

Bruh I'm still waiting for my Odyssey to be properly verified

I deleted it out of fear I was doing smth wrong again

[crude oxide]

As long as you did everything according to the spreadsheet you should be fine. Just be patient, the rwsc backlog can get pretty big and it might take some time until your submission is verified

[latent fractal]

Well, I got Wanderer and Pilgrim, turned on speedrun validation or whatever, and then took a video of the passage wheel and then me waking up with the short cycle timer

I believe the thing that made me delete it was seeing someone else's verification using the speed run timer as well

I was unsure

[crude oxide]

Speed run timer and speedrun validation are necessary

[latent fractal]

Damn it

I've tried this 3 freaking times now

[crude oxide]

Although if it's your first submission they could still verify it

[latent fractal]

It is

I went for the easiest challenge I could see for MSC

[crude oxide]

I had fun doing odyssey

[latent fractal]

I've since lost track of the video in my camera roll-

[crude oxide]

Also there are some remix options that must be disabled

[latent fractal]

That's always been disabled :p

[modern harness]

I have that on all the time and Ive never been warned about it

[latent fractal]

Thankfully you don't need Survivor to get either Wanderer or Pilgrim

[tranquil mulch]

that Remix option isn't just not disallowed, it's even required for a specific RWSC

[tranquil mulch]

The Remix option is required to get progress on Wanderer without Survivor.

[latent fractal]

[crude oxide]

I thought it was banned but required only for kaleidoscope
I was wrong

I could've done odyssey quicker if only i knew

[tranquil mulch]

eh, like 2 minutes of karma caching isn't that big of a time loss

[crude oxide]

I didn't know about karma caching then

[grave stag]

I think that's rain deer they are talking about

New name for the chart™?

[grave stag]

@teal timber if I remember correctly you were the one who was keeping the chart, if not sry for the ping

[teal timber]

oh thanks