Old FP Guide Coordination [Archived]

[modern harness]

Its very subtle but the shape of the abckground shows they dont have MSC
So its jsut a kelp being wacky

[teal timber]

the what now

[atomic locust]

and the shape of the ground at the base of the deer skull

[atomic locust]

this guy

not listed on the map

[modern harness]

Spreading mass misinformation on the internet....

[teal timber]

ah

(I don't need the map, I already know that one)

[atomic locust]

I love how that DLL is perfectly poised to jumpscare you as you leave the shelter

[crude oxide]

ngl i saw this version of the toll only two days ago when i played as monk for the first time and with the dlc disabled
even though i did my first playthrough without even buying the dlc..

[tranquil mulch]

well yeah, it's how the toll looks like without MSC

[crude oxide]

i didn't expect it to look like that

[atomic locust]

(it's slightly hard to describe different rooms of pebbles considering how similar they all are)

although I could've just said "the one that spawns right by a shelter" and you probably would've gotten it

[teal timber]

Definitely.

[modern harness]

Most FP shelters are completely safe except for that one lmao

[atomic locust]

so perfect for <@&1098342918051344498> if the pipe wasnt blocked 😔

biggest flaw in the game

[teal timber]

We have:

• the UD bypass guardian (makes scary noises on the path to the UD shelter)
• the UD bypass guardian 2 (the really annoying one beneath guardian 1 that's responsible for most of the difficulty of the UD bypass)
• the uhhhhhh isn't there two hunting in one big room or something?
• the one next to the shelter

[atomic locust]

imagine escaping into a den from a DLL and then seeing the blue flash

my memory of the fp DLLs is...

[tranquil mulch]

SS_F03 on the henpemaz map has three visible stuckdaddies

[crude oxide]

and imagine recording it

[tranquil mulch]

that's the room below the mid-UD shelter

[atomic locust]

• retracted orb room
• first tall UD room
• first big room (bottom half)
• tall skinny room after that
• the unlisted shelter DLL
• two in the same room after that I think

not counting the stuck ones

[teal timber]

And of course:

• western Underhang
• eastern Underhang
• Leg/Underhang intersection guardian
• upper Leg
• middle Leg

[atomic locust]

of the stuck ones, it's 2 per tall UD room and 2 in the orb room?

oh, first tall room has 3

[teal timber]

I can't name all the ones in UD.

[atomic locust]

there's only 2 mobile ones in UD

the rest are the item ones

[atomic locust]

what about hunter's GW DLL 🙄

[teal timber]

@latent fractal They have also been to Looks to the Moon.

[latent fractal]

woman

[teal timber]

@long flint Enjoying Drainage System is entirely up to whether or not you knew how to swim the first time you went there.

[atomic locust]

(which is not most people)

[long flint]

makes sense, swimming felt relatively intuitive to me on my first playthrough, but I did also have a lot of time in outskirts to figure it out

[teal timber]

The one (1) shallow lake in Outskirts:

[long flint]

it took me like 20 cycles to leave there on my first playthrough

also I did go to industrial too before drainage, which has marginally more water

[teal timber]

Still, I'd be impressed if you mastered the swimming mechanics in that puddle

ah yeah

marginally

If you go to Shoreline before DS then DS is a good region objectively

Well, OK, it's kinda boring in some spots and it still has a lot of awkward one-way paths. But it's not that horrible.

[twin ridge]

good timing for Foggy to finish shortly before this one started properly

[teal timber]

@latent fractal and don't spoil that you can grab one! (though I think they know that)

[latent fractal]

Touchy gremlin the slugger is

Like a kid with ADHD

[twin ridge]

#1322956288854065162 message when do you think they put together that the albino leviathan and regular leviathans are the same thing

[teal timber]

True

will be fun

I've seen people identify two subspecies of blue lizards before

[twin ridge]

XD

[teal timber]

(as in, cyans being separate from blues, which makes it very confusing for helpers)

[twin ridge]

i mean it'll probably be when they get chombed by the albino

[twin ridge]

oh god

so they were talking about "cyan lizards"

without having lineaged

[teal timber]

yeah

just a light blue

[modern harness]

Us when a particularly red pink lizard shows up:

[twin ridge]

#1322956288854065162 message
can i tell them this is a server challenge? or leave it for now

[modern harness]

Them going with an evolution theory, I wonder if theyd make a connection of pinks to reds being an evolution
Theyre very similar

[twin ridge]

I think going with an evolution theory makes lineaging slightly easier to figure out once you actually know what happened (in a game sense)

[atomic locust]

just ignore that one squidcada lineage from a lizard in chimney

[twin ridge]

...yeah

a lot of them make a bit of sense

then there's the plain bizzare ones

you could argue that squids are far better equipped for that area of chimney than lizards tbf

[atomic locust]

yeah but it makes "evolution" seem a bit silly

[twin ridge]

mhm

[latent fractal]

Has Castrix spent so much time in Outskirts that they're lineaging pole plants into monster kelp?

[atomic locust]

yep

[latent fractal]

Lmao

Never seen that myself

Never been one to linger

[twin ridge]

How long till they get a cyan accidentally

[latent fractal]

Can that even happen in Surv? I thought the only lineage-able lizard was any type -> red

[twin ridge]

There's a server challenge specifically around it

You can lineage most liz types in outskirts iir

[atomic locust]

every den with a lineage has a custom-created chain that it allows

lots of them end in reds but not all

[latent fractal]

Interesting, I cannot read those last numbers

[atomic locust]

20% chance for the pink to become a blue upon respawn
50% chance for the blue to become a cyan upon respawn
30% chance for the cyan to become a red upon respawn
0% chance for the red to change upon respawn

[twin ridge]

It's a % symbol, yea

[latent fractal]

Oohhh

I see

[twin ridge]

Very normal lineage thank you rain world

[latent fractal]

Lmao what

Squib

[dark tiger]

"evolve/metamorphosis" theory when the Squidcada lineage

[atomic locust]

all rain world creatures are actually one species with high genetic instability; many offspring are produced and only the forms that adapt to the environment survive

[twin ridge]

My theory is that it's replaced by a creature better suited for the area it's in

[atomic locust]

it's like eevee but rain world

[twin ridge]

Not actually evolution

[atomic locust]

yuh that's the commonly accepted answer

[twin ridge]

Mhm

[atomic locust]

and probably the correct one

[dark tiger]

so the forms we see are the only genotypes out of thousands that manage to stick?

[latent fractal]

Ah yes, Red lizards are suitable for Outskirts

[twin ridge]

They do excellently there lol

[latent fractal]

Quite quite

[atomic locust]

yes

[twin ridge]

Lots of long flat rolms

It's like
Perfect for them

[latent fractal]

They do certainly thrive

[dark tiger]

idk if better suited would be the word considering we only see them once a space is made for them

[atomic locust]

the creature types that would outcompete others when filling the spot

[twin ridge]

(Also red lizards are well suited for anywhere except exterior)
They're insane creatures

[atomic locust]

it would be funny if a creature could kill another and then steal its den

[twin ridge]

True lmao

[dark tiger]

imagine if there were migrations

[atomic locust]

imagine if such a mechanic existed in the game of rain world

[tiny glacier]

Any creatures you bring can go to empty dens right?

[atomic locust]

it would be funny if different adjacent regions had somewhat overlapping offscreendens

imagine you escape a demasked vulture from industrial into chimney and then it shows up again

[atomic locust]

pretty much

[dark tiger]

i was just going to say that

[tiny glacier]

What if vultures in Outskirts

[twin ridge]

That would be evil

[atomic locust]

the humble hunter campaign

anyways I was thinking about that whole "better inv riddle" concept

[tiny glacier]

I know

What is it?

[atomic locust]

maybe you could take the door of the theming from the first line and reuse it somewhat

I think that'd be neat

the start menu is certainly a door to something

[tiny glacier]

Yeah

A shelter is a door

A gate is a door

[atomic locust]

``Main 4 riddles needed to solve the Inv mystery

Dragon and Dak gave us:
"Chant His name upon 7 or 8 inscribed bricks of a pillar"
"His name can be found in the door of the desert"
"It does not matter whenever the door is opened, closed or passed through. The lock is the key and the key is the means."
"Do as you have done before, give it a name" ``

what's the deal with line 3

[tiny glacier]

You don’t need it

[silver musk]

I personally like the third line (if I ignore the concept of the whole riddle around that name)

[atomic locust]

I just dont fully understand it

[silver musk]

Finding the door (the lock) as suggested by line 2 is the clue to find the drone (the key to the solution). The drone holds the meaning you need

[teal timber]

I've thought about modding that in before. Make some creatures just randomly decide to go on a trip to another den.

[atomic locust]

(it's already a thing ingame but creatures dont conciously choose to do it, they just pick whatever den they're near to sleep if they cant get to the primary one)

[teal timber]

But I feel like that might not actually help the game that much anyways.

[tiny glacier]

Should we tell targetVN that they have to do a second playthrough to ascend as Artificer?

[atomic locust]

I think they'll figure it out once they get an echo

[tiny glacier]

Ok

[modern harness]

I like the idea but sadly its not that complex

I like the sound that happens when your karma gets reduced/you try to meet an echo while reduced karma

The deep boom sound is so nice

[latent fractal]

The sfx are great

[glad void]

@heady python i think they might be talking about noodleflies?

[heady python]

Ah yeah probably

[atomic locust]

#1311532004055187527 message @teal timber do you think it's worth trying to let em know that the passages are an option

(they have 2 available and it'd max out their karma)

🥺

[teal timber]

The Passage screen tells them that now, so

[atomic locust]

i foresee a good future guide

[tiny glacier]

@heady python did they never see miros birds?

[heady python]

I think they think the eyes and birds are 2 different things

[tiny glacier]

Huh?

I was asking this before they talked about the birds

[heady python]

Oh

[heady python]

I think what happened was they couldn't rly see them in crypts except the eyes so they are "lost souls" but he saw the birds I'm sub and that's how he knows what they look like

[late copper]

They got to SL through SB I'm pretty sure

This was apparently added in 1.9, like one of the GW pole plants replacing a green lizard. I think they were originally in the files but didn't spawn because they were written incorrectly or smth like that

[latent fractal]

Dear lord

Cyan? Funny.
Red? Horror show.

[latent fractal]

The heck
I've never seen this room before

[atomic locust]

you almost certainly have if you've been through the non-UD portion of pebbles

[latent fractal]

Welp
Confession time

I've gone up the wall every single time

Except for Rivulet

[strong hemlock]

I’ve learnt the wall is so much easier

[fresh atlas]

i’ve gone up the wall too. except for rain meadow where i went through ud

[latent fractal]

I spent maybe 10 minutes just hanging out with Pebbles afterwards. I hope he appreciated the company

[crude oxide]

#1322956288854065162 message
i thought it was a red lizard

[teal timber]

This is why there's no Rain in Outer Expanse. The camera on the Wall just faces away from the giant bowl.

[twin ridge]

Pebbles retaining wall is the bowl

[latent fractal]

Retaining wall

Hm

[glad void]

here's a The Pit™️ death from yesterday

[latent fractal]

What a classic

[modern harness]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1327378796944294070 Can anyone help this guy?

[atomic locust]

I always forget that underhang is the main common spot to see yellow lizards for the first time

feels like they're so much more attached to The Wall and the orb

[latent fractal]

Agreed

[dark tiger]

you dont see them in a big group until the wall orb

so you dont really get a chance to see their mechanic shine until then

[atomic locust]

underhang has pretty sizable groups in the Double Orb Room if you actually go down

I'm surprised the game doesn't do more to make you go through those

they seem very fun for gameplay but I've never engaged much with em in the intended manner

[dark tiger]

keyword: see

[twin ridge]

i went to the orb room for food a lot (there's slime mold in there) while trying to enter through the underhang gate

it was pretty cool

but also really really annoying

[latent fractal]

I only remember the orbs because they've saved me from falling to my death a few times

[late copper]

you don't even have to go through the wall orb when descending

I wish some of the food more trivial to obtain in underhang was removed so you had an incentive to explore the orb room

[dark tiger]

making exterior more difficult

right

[late copper]

I think underhang as it is is fairly manageable if you're patient, though admittedly I never experienced it blind so I don't have a clear reference point

[dark tiger]

it's part of the big difficulty spike generally

or curve

[late copper]

I find the difficulty a bit uninteresting since you can use the same 3-4 safe food sources, as they respawn quickly

MSC making the pole outside the shelter larger is nice since it makes the difficulty less focused on platforming

[modern harness]

Every single food source from the center shelter requires platforming that msot players will die a lot to

[tiny glacier]

A10 and A03 are easy though

[dark tiger]

dont underestimate the power of knowledge

[atomic locust]

every time you have to do that pounce outside the shelter is a pretty decent chance of dying for a new player

it's not easy by any means

[tiny glacier]

And 101 as well

[tiny glacier]

How?

[dark tiger]

this room by itself kills people lol

[late copper]

most of the platforming difficulty is concentrated in that jump I think

[tiny glacier]

It’s just a pounce

Not even a long one

[atomic locust]

you have to hit the block and then hold left and up to grab the pole, then do another jump from the pole to the next pole not high enough to headbonk but not so low that you miss

[dark tiger]

consider that there's also rooms before that room that are considered underhang

[atomic locust]

it's also pretty tense if you're on k4 or smth

I spent a while grinding karma there

[dark tiger]

im sure there's players like myself that dont even think to karma farm and instead keep going left

[tiny glacier]

That is true most new players don’t understand head honking

[late copper]

It's fine that there's an option to continue left to the wall (other than the possibility of getting locked on that side if you lose your grapple worm), I just think for those who choose to karma farm it should be more interesting and the platforming should be more lenient

[tiny glacier]

How do we submit challenges?

Where is the link

[atomic locust]

in challenge pin

also this is the wrong place to ask that

[tiny glacier]

I couldn’t find it

[latent fractal]

Oh yeah, not like you're constantly on a timer or anything

[late copper]

Patient as in, being willing to spend more time than expected at the same area to explore it more thoroughly and master the challenges it poses. The end of the cycle is no different from the creatures and platforming, it's just another challenge in the way of returning to the shelter with enough food that you have to learn to deal with

[teal timber]

Afterlife Lily

[latent fractal]

Fun name

[latent fractal]

Wait till they progress into Hunter or smth and find a Noot egg

Surprise you are now mother

[teal timber]

(Basically no one even manages to successfully collect a noot egg, let alone figure out what it does... This one might, though.)

[latent fractal]

They're very in-depth with experimenting with the world, I like it

[modern harness]

The thing about noot eggs specifically is theyre the only thing where storing them is like, the only thing they have an interaction with
So the normal GETS method doesnt figure out what they do but GETSS can

[latent fractal]

Yea

[tiny glacier]

There is exactly one noot egg that is easily accessible as survivor and monk right?

Also has Castrix seen a white lizard?

[teal timber]

I don't remember. I know you can find one in the Industrial Complex.

[tiny glacier]

Ok

I wanted to show a cool white lizard

[teal timber]

They've been to Looks to the Moon. No confirmation, though, check

[tiny glacier]

This was during pilgrimage

[teal timber]

Well that's also spoilers for Daddy Long Legs soooooooo

[tiny glacier]

I have an image without the DLL

[teal timber]

(and the Leg in general)

[tiny glacier]

True

I also did leukocyte

[teal timber]

@heady python the stats screen is exclusive to either MSC or Remix, I don't remember which.

[late copper]

MSC

[late copper]

#1313508154306330725 message pilgrimage moment

nevermind they have insufficient karma and went to sky islands

[latent fractal]

Does someone (me) tell Castrix that not all lizard variants will be found in Surv?

[tranquil mulch]

The sole variant that cannot be found in Survivor is Train Lizards, and that one is irrelevant due to it being in the vanilla category

The playthrough is very detailed, so triggering lineages is likely.

[latent fractal]

Oh yeah good point

What about Eel lizards

Oh wait

Not counting msc lizards

Yeah my b

[dark tiger]

I believe you can still find eels in survivor naturally

[tranquil mulch]

And still exists in Survivor as precycle spawns

[latent fractal]

Isn't precycle a Downpour mechanic?

[tranquil mulch]

Eel Lizards themselves are a Downpour mechanic

Oh! There's a natural spawn in Shoreline

So no precycle necessary

[dark tiger]

Isn't there one in gutter

[tranquil mulch]

Three, actually

[latent fractal]

insert that spider verse meme here

[latent fractal]

I have a friend who has "sending eels to your location" in their about me
Then I got attacked by eel lizards while on call with them
Was much funny

The eels finally found me 😭

[teal timber]

Really? Where are the strawberries?

Though when Castrix says "variants" I think they're talking about appearance differences within subspecies, not the number of subspecies

[tranquil mulch]

CC_B08, CC_B01, HI_C01, HI_C02 (two of them), SU_B07, SU_A06, SU_B08, SU_B12, VS_C04, and VS_C02

^([^(]|\((?!X).*white.*\)|\(X-(?>[\w,]*white|.*\)))[^)\n]+(zoop|straw) relevant regex search

[teal timber]

[modern harness]

#1328514902301868086 message how do we respond

[gray musk]

What do we tell him? #1328243836044050442 message

[quick elk]

Pilgrimage propaganda
Though I'd tell them to keep the lizard safe. Due to deathpits, DLLs, other lizards, deathpits etc I think bringing a lizard would only bring more frustration

[feral shale]

am I allowed to ask what the first playthrough plan for watcher is? or if there is one

[quick elk]

So far a plan wasn't fully formed. Though you can always give suggestions if you want

[modern harness]

Suggestions would be much appreciated as the release date ticks closer lol

[atomic locust]

we'd probably just make a new channel

(and maybe look more seriously into the idea of merging the two current ones..? I still don't think it'd be a bad idea 👻)

[feral shale]

uhhhh
hello Kalum

[feral shale]

I really don't know
or well maybe I have ideas but that would be very poorly formed ideas

[atomic locust]

you miss all the ideas you never idea

[atomic locust]

even a poorly formed idea is useful to contribute to the larger dialogue 🙂

[modern harness]

Anyone wanna tell em? (Theyre using the cheats to skip Spear and go to Saint)

[dark tiger]

Cheats

[modern harness]

[grizzled prism]

[crude oxide]

[latent fractal]

[lapis talon]

[twin ridge]

#1322956288854065162 message we might not get the elusive cyan/red outskirts first playthrough lineage

[grizzled prism]

is fart lizard / fly lizard as cyan liz names on the sheet?

[tranquil mulch]

@silver musk what's your opinion on the fart lizard name for cyans

[silver musk]

I swear I heard that one before

[teal timber]

the Chart™️ grows

[feral shale]

different colour pancakes?

[feral shale]

you is snaff

[silver musk]

how can you tell??

[feral shale]

I'm all knowing

[teal timber]

That's what they're calling slugcats

[feral shale]

slugcats don't get another name a lot do they?

Miros Bird / Scissor Bird / Scissor Kiwi / Danger Kiwi / Drama Kiwi / Snipclank / Scissoroo / Snip Snip Bird / Nightmare Bird / Scissor Chicken / Clicky Clacky Bird / Chainsaw Chicken / Terror Bird / Silvery Raptor / Scissor Sparrow / Robot Death Bird / Bladebeak / Scissorbot-9000 / Mech Bird / Piston Raptor Bird / Click Clack / Tong Chicken / Knife Bird / Crow / Ostrich / Knife Ostrich / Barbird / Cyborg Chicken / Chicken Robot Bird / Murder Kiwi / Duck got to be one of my favorite creatures

[tranquil mulch]

@teal timber

[teal timber]

OH

for echoes

nice

[modern harness]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1319676514853326969 Wants to try going to Moon's Wall instead of going through her UH (they were already at the Vents shelter before)
How do I tell them that going up WF into TP is kinda,, not possible? Or at least I have no idea how if it is

[silver musk]

you don't Let them experience the joy of exploration

[modern harness]

[tranquil mulch]

What if they just accidentally discover 6JSTBPBILWP

[modern harness]

[quick elk]

Or accidentally cause a vulture warp that allows them to pass that room

[gray musk]

what does that acronym even mean?

[tranquil mulch]

6 jump storage throw boosted pause buffered instant ledge wall pounce

[feral shale]

[gray musk]

sounds fun...

[quick elk]

It is quite easy, despite the long name.

[gray musk]

But I am a bit concerned as I can't find pause buffered instant ledge wall pounce or any part od that name in the movement wiki.

[tranquil mulch]

The movement Wiki is promarily written in the 1.5 context.

Which is the main version without wall pounces

So WPs are barely detailed there

[gray musk]

Ok.

[quick elk]

Look at the tech iceberg (pins of #1264300753816780820 thread). You should find separate techs Pause Buffering, Jump Storage, and Ledge Wallpounce, which combined are what this tech is

[gray musk]

Yeah, I figured I need to separate it into the components.

[gray musk]

could a CTV clear that gap?

[tranquil mulch]

Not enough horizontal speed.

[gray musk]

I assume down spear stored backflip would have the same issue?

Seems like going up or to the side is kinda easy, but diagonal is hard.

[tranquil mulch]

ILWP, especially pause-buffered, is fairly simple in execution.

[atomic locust]

rare fp albino

[strong hemlock]

I thought u meant five pebbles albino and I got so confused

[tiny glacier]

I am albino five pebbles

[gray musk]

.

[feral shale]

oh tech thread

[atomic locust]

join us

[feral shale]

too busy hanging out in modded gameplay

[modern harness]

TargetVN didnt ascend either iterator
Cant wait to blast them with the Obligatory Repost

This will have consequences on the theory population

Ok they reset the save
There is hope for the theory population

[feral shale]

[quick elk]

"They are always anchored to the ground"

[modern harness]

Imagine free-roaming kelps

Spooky

[tranquil mulch]

pole minic

the codename

cooler than pole plant imo

[teal timber]

They've seen pipeless kelp bugs

[grave stag]

I didn't need nightmare images :D

[modern harness]

[atomic locust]

I think your hunterknowing was a bit too knowing perhaps 🧐

I dont want hunterknowing to become tooo much of a "you're right but I dont wanna say it outright"

[modern harness]

sorgy

[atomic locust]

it's no woooooorrries

more of a general trend than a u thing

[atomic locust]

at-everyone

[teal timber]

Whatever you do just make sure you treat wrong theories equally and make it obvious that that's what you're doing

[atomic locust]

hey <@&1137895527271379055> for no particular reason, what are some of your best common tips that you think would be useful in some sort of hypothetical stockpile of useful tips

[drowsy harness]

beware the pit.

[shrewd timber]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10DXL8zY8MtVefjcFskXF9xjahaHn8RdWzg_wzCMpJBk/edit?usp=drivesdk have fun

I made these a while back, haven't updated it in a while

[atomic locust]

✍️

[atomic locust]

can I post a link to this in a potentially Official Resource™️?

I mean.. a hypothetical Official Resource™️...

[shrewd timber]

It's not complete™️

[atomic locust]

but it has stuff™️

and stuff™️ is better than no stuff™️

[shrewd timber]

I do love stuff™️...

Actually I put it in comments mode so that ppl could add their own hints and stuff

You may yoink

[atomic locust]

on echoes my favorite new thing is to diagetically hint on it 😌

will refine this in the future ✍️

makin em think like an echo

[glad void]

#1331793317616156735 message don't want to ping fp helpers again so

soilers in intro message yet again

[modern harness]

Same
I actually had to delete someone else's message about it cuz they directly told someone to go back at 5 karma xd

Its funny when people say "To not spoil too much " then proceeds to say the exact interaction required

[lapis talon]

For explaining passages without giving away what you have to do to get them:
You use the passages to teleport while sleeping to a shelter you’ve slept in before. You gain passages by doing certain things under certain conditions enough times, eg— (made up example) eat a berry every cycle 5 times in a row.
You only can use each passage once, and each passage has a different way of getting it.
Try seeing what makes passage icons appear, and keep doing it. The names and icons can give hints.

It’s kind of long but if you break it into paragraphs and only mention relevant things it works

[glossy rose]

"just read the small text first then use it"

"also if the karma accidentally shows a branch, yeah thats the way to get it. now figure out what to do and do it a few more times"

[glossy rose]

" "

If u see someone and then ur on a reasonable track (not a right track)

[lapis talon]

The small text says “any shelter you’ve visited before” which can be confusing sometimes. (Does visiting mean revealing the icon in the map or actually sleeping in it?)

[silver musk]

Literally visiting. Going into the shelter and that's it

[grave stag]

yeah it's the visiting, like i have passed past few shelters in screen without ever visiting the inside and then later on thinking that's new room when I am exploring parts of map I think I have not and then get dissapointed that it was shelter and not new room :D

[atomic locust]

huh?

(in reference to metro)

[modern harness]

Im assumjng they think The Floor is connected to FP like Subterranean is connected to Moon?

Which, the latter isnt xd

[hoary hemlock]

tbf metro and sub give similar vibes

[modern harness]

#1327996695165796383 message Wild <@&1121561237826838600>

[silver musk]

Didn't survive the encounter

[modern harness]

[twin ridge]

#1322956288854065162 message
Everyone ready for cyan jumpscare?

[modern harness]

[silver musk]

Ping me when it happens

[teal timber]

Very.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/385548182102212608/1053501728890290297/cyan_bigleap.gif

[grave stag]

In this case is it fine if I tell them there is shelter somewhere around the karma gate?

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1330290344796881027

[teal timber]

I'd say so. Just did.

[grave stag]

I don't wanna first few people I have been guiding(or well observing) quit the game from small setbacks .-.

[grave stag]

someone with perms may want to repost the initial message: https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1332113400901140641

[atomic locust]

thank u

feel free to ping the helper role if one sits around for too long btw

[grave stag]

alright, I just assume some helpers get notifs of this chat anyways so this would be handled quickly :D

[atomic locust]

yeh most of the time

just in the case that it doesnt :^)

like late at night for the US or smth

[late copper]

red jumpscare, even

[modern harness]

Its happening

Prepare for Cyan Encounter soon™️

There is 1 lineage that goes from blue directly into Red but its a 5% to go from nothing into blue first...
We'll see what happens

[tranquil mulch]

Most HI lineages go from Blue to Red

Some have a White in-between

[modern harness]

Oh wait yea
I mean, their main focus is killing blues so idk if theyll end up seeing any blue-reds that have a different lizard as a starter

Theyll be in for quite the surprise either way

[grizzled prism]

yea I was bout to say
I am afraid they are not getting a cyan

[quick elk]

Whatever they get, it will be fun

I honestly think they will manage to tame whatever they lineage anyways

[twin ridge]

oh no

[teal timber]

Better

[twin ridge]

pretty sure they'll manage to tame a red if it spawns anyway yea lmao

[modern harness]

Reds eat blues, right? Theyre that small

[twin ridge]

nope

[modern harness]

o

[twin ridge]

greens and cyans are the only ones that eat blues iirc

[modern harness]

Ah

[twin ridge]

oh
and caramels

[modern harness]

Mayb cyans eat blues cuz they need more blue pwoer to jump

[teal timber]

they actually just use the color blue as fuel

[modern harness]

Real...

[twin ridge]

huh
bllues are slightly scared of whites, despite not getting eaten by them

[grizzled prism]

lizards are just scary in general

[icy bison]

Slugcats are scary too

[modern harness]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1332523384151740436 LOTS of questions I kinda want help answering here

[shrewd timber]

Am I cooking or am I cooked

[quick elk]

@late copper #1322956288854065162 message explosive spears can spawn normally as monk and survivor, they just cannot spawn normally during the first few cycles

[late copper]

As in, randomly spawning spears in any room get replaced by them? I'm almost certain that's not true

[shrewd timber]

hello @glossy rose

[glossy rose]

hello

[shrewd timber]

I recognize you

[glossy rose]

of course you recognize me

[grave stag]

the pole plant population does not like that realization :D

[glossy rose]

pole plant extinction is coming

[grave stag]

I myself am still waiting for the dropwig extinction
they have killed me too many times ;-;

[atomic locust]

the monster kelp lineage population does

[grave stag]

wait you can lineage pole plants?

[atomic locust]

some

[grave stag]

uh oh

I am pretty clueless about lineaging still other than knowing it's a thing so this is surprise pole plants can lineage too

[atomic locust]

each den has a custom lineage

so it's not a by-default thing

[grave stag]

interesting

[modern harness]

Are we gonna tell Castrix that murdering lizards 24/7 affects lizards reputation with you or let them figure it out somehow

[quick elk]

Personally I think there isn't much reason to tell them. Killing lizards is fun and prepares them for Hunter

Besides if they get enough lizard rep it may cause some pategame lizard encounters to be trivial instead of challenging or fun

[modern harness]

True

I was also talking about like, their friend
I vaguely remember hearing reputation making them more or less snappy

[dark tiger]

tamed lizards cant kill you (anymore) afaik

[teal timber]

I am never in favor of telling them anything, they're learning so much on their own

[atomic locust]

you can run into the issue of a lizard being in the weird gray area between tamed and not tamed 🤏

I passaged with a "tamed" red lizard during a challenge and ended up having it instakill me upon wakeup

TempLike and such

[dark tiger]

Lmao

[tranquil mulch]

with Remix enabled, bites from friendly Lizards towards the target of the friendTracker are set to always miss

Remix is visibly disabled in Castrix's playthrough

[dark tiger]

good to know

[tranquil mulch]

#1322956288854065162 message

can be seen in the hibernation screen

because

1. no arena unlock tracker
2. the wanderer pips are uncoloured

[teal timber]

I'm pretty sure lizards have slow pathfinding somewhat on purpose

It does a good job of making them look panicked.

[grizzled prism]

Especially when they dance for half a cycle

[lapis talon]

Yup, intentional behaviour!

Especially when it bites you but you’re not dead yet

And it’s carrying your unconscious body

And whappity-whap-whaps you against the wall

[tiny glacier]

I love getting unwillingly thrown off of a cliff by an unskilled cyan lizard

[lapis talon]

Eventually it hits you so hard you die from collision damage

(I’ve had that happen a few times before)

[tiny glacier]

And if you’re gourmand…

Wow really?

[lapis talon]

splat

Yeah

[tiny glacier]

Never happened to me

[lapis talon]

Once with a white lizard, once with a blue

[tiny glacier]

Do you think the wall ball is more iconic for cyans or oranges?

[lapis talon]

Yellows

Oranges?

Idk what’s the official name

[tiny glacier]

Yellow I think

But I see them as more orange generally

The cyans as hunter are funny though

[lapis talon]

They are SO ANNOYING as hunter

[tiny glacier]

I like juking them so they jump off of the edge

[lapis talon]

I try to do that and fail 97.3782% of the time lol

[tiny glacier]

I use so many rocks

[lapis talon]

Usually I duke them thru pipes

[tiny glacier]

Ah

That always works

Completely foolproof

[lapis talon]

Yeah

Definitely

[tiny glacier]

Yes

[lapis talon]

Very high success rate

[tiny glacier]

Yes

Exactly

It never fails

Ever

[lapis talon]

Almost as high success rate as my death per cycle in most runs

[tiny glacier]

Rephrase that

I do not understand that language

Of Wierd words

[lapis talon]

Pipe duking working has the same ratio as the amount of times I die for every cycle I progress

I other words a lot

[tiny glacier]

Yes

[lapis talon]

Very totally

[tiny glacier]

Pipe juking a DLL is a good idea

[lapis talon]

Such a foolproof plan

[tiny glacier]

Nothing can go wrong

Ignore the role I have

It has nothing to do with this

[lapis talon]

A great idea with the best of intentions

[tiny glacier]

Yeah

[grizzled prism]

A lot of the time they fall off before you can get to them

At least for me

[lapis talon]

They take me with them a lot of the time

[grizzled prism]

Ah

[grave stag]

dont' they still need to fill up the food quest for pups? #1329760971748802560 message

[modern harness]

Pups requires food quest, yea
Or cheats

[tranquil mulch]

at most I'd say that the food quest does something if they wish to return later, but I'm not sure it's necessary to do even that.

[grave stag]

fair enough

[atomic locust]

the ideal first playthrough helper would be someone who has never played the game before 🤔

[tiny glacier]

Hold up

[atomic locust]

think about it

[tiny glacier]

The best first playthrough helper is nobody

[gray musk]

maybe first playthrough, not sure if helper.

[twin ridge]

can't spoil if you don't know the game

[atomic locust]

able to give genuine suggestions and ideas without leading the player to a specific outcome

[silver musk]

That's a funny idea but how do you actually help someone when it comes to giving a game advice?

[atomic locust]

second set of eyes solves most issues I think

[silver musk]

New system: now every player is assigned in a pair and they share a post. They should work together to reach the end

[twin ridge]

LMAO

i like this plan

[gray musk]

that means playthrough helpers would only step in if they are truly lost?

[grave stag]

That seems like it would be either chaos or actually working system

[gray musk]

no in-between possible.

[grizzled prism]

That's really cute

[grizzled prism]

I mean that happens in most cases anyway

[grave stag]

there definetely would not be anything in between it's just either one or both :D

[teal timber]

The thing is, players always take different routes, so that's not necessarily useful

Although I do think blind players working together is really cool, that's one of the disadvantages of using forums instead of progression-based channels.

[silver musk]

@toxic beacon hello! If you aim to help people on their playthrough I do recommend going through this thread pins

[grave stag]

Tbh that would work best if they were in jolly co op game then blind players are together blind in the game

[teal timber]

true

#meadow-first-playthroughs when

[atomic locust]

when story is stable 👻

tbh I am curious if we'll ever end up needing channels to support meadow infrastructure

[teal timber]

MMO Rain World when

[narrow owl]

Ok so pipeyard is the best thing to happen to first playthroughs since sliced bread

This is for two reasons

It's a cool region

It fixes the SI-FA routing problem

And the DS-filtration routing problem

SI only leads to farm arrays in vanilla

And you need squids to get anywhere

So it can be frustrating for new players

[gray musk]

and CC

[narrow owl]

Yeah but 99 percent of people will be coming from chimney

I'm specifically concerned about early CCs here

Which I forget to specificy

Early DS for the filtration problem as well

The problem with early CC is that it doesn't feed out of itself very easily

No grapple worm in underhang from TW

And entering pebbles from the the wall requires movement tech

So that leaves just sky islands

Which requires squids which some people won't figure out

And even if they do that leads to to farms

Worst case scenario is that they don't figure out the outskirts toll

And are funneled into subterranean

[gray musk]

But yes, it does have low connectivity.

[narrow owl]

Which throws off the difficultly curve significantly

Same with subterranean but with more potential for players to get stuck

Mostly because there aren't many viable ways out of subterranean

Filtration is much easier to enter from drainage than it is to escape from

And shoreline effectively requires jetfish

Pipeyard solves all of the problems I've mentioned so far

It effectively funnels the player from the left to the right of the map

Unless they go from SI to filtration but it's somewhat unlikely I think and not much worse than the alternative

[icy bison]

I see some issues with this actually

1. Pebbles outright tells you to go to farm arrays (well past it but it's the only region he directly names) so completely skipping it may make first playthroughers feel like they're missing something or skipping content
2. MSC adds some new routes that are easy to do without squidcadas in sky islands, which makes it easier to get to the LF gate
3. the gate to pipeyard is kinda out of the way, requiring you to go right when the gate from chimney forces you left, which may seem like anti progress to new players

Pipeyard as a region itself is fine but I just don't think the game ever pushes the player towards it

[teal timber]

false, objectively

I don't believe I've ever seen a new player actually use Pipeyard to traverse. Not only is it hard to find, the new player experience there is awful. The Subterranean gate is near-impossible to pass, and players that get close to it will fall into Sump Tunnel's trap and either Passage out or get funneled into Shoreline.

[atomic locust]

I see people find it in their MSC campaigns more often than in their first

[teal timber]

yeah

[atomic locust]

a gourm recently got their red centi there, I believe

[teal timber]

It's a deathtrap for the Gourmand specifically, the other MSC campaigns never have a reason to go anywhere near it.

[modern harness]

The first time I found Pipeyard and tried going through it (from the SI gate), I hated it because everywhere I went was just dead end after dead end with horrible navigation
Somehow I stumbled into IC and Ive rarely ever gone there ever again

[teal timber]

And the IC <-> SI path is the nicest part of Pipeyard

[modern harness]

PY is a ncie concept but the execution couldve been done a lot better

Esp Sump

Thats way too long a stretch between shelters with navigation thats basically you Have to do this things with a buncha spears or you give up and go to SL

[narrow owl]

the idea is that it's good specifically pre-pebbles

[modern harness]

The horrid navigation issues dont care for Pebbles status

[narrow owl]

idk I never had issues with it

maybe I was just lucky

[atomic locust]

i will say, pipeyard is very unintuitive when it comes to the layout

you cant really just pick a direction and go without hitting weird dead-ends

[narrow owl]

that's what I normally do and it worked out fine

lemme look at the map

[atomic locust]

example™️

to get left from here, you have to either go right then left, or down up left

[twin ridge]

yea, pipeyard bad

[atomic locust]

pipeyard not bad! just not as good as the rest of MSC I'd say

I think it'd be fun if they added a levi in pipeyard

[narrow owl]

it's mostly the upper left and upper right by the looks of it

the bottom funnels very nicely

[modern harness]

Finding Pipeyard deep into my already several hundred hours of vanilla and couple hours of MSC and being hit with weird roundabout directions got me different than the rest of the game did
There isnt a region I hate more than Pipeyard in navigation

[narrow owl]

it's like 2-3 connections from being fine

[modern harness]

SS is a close 2nd but Ive dealt with less deadends there

[narrow owl]

I would still argue that the connections being designed the way they are funnels players down to sump tunnel

[atomic locust]

SS has mostly intuitive pathways, at least

going up makes you go up

going right makes you go right

etc etc

[atomic locust]

(evil)

(cruel)

[narrow owl]

sump tunnel has a lot of swimming, but no sections are particularly difficult

it isn't very precise either

[modern harness]

Going from SI to IC from my first PY experience was horrid
I could not find any other way to go that actually lead somewhere and somhow made it out

[narrow owl]

in my experience the parts that get people in DS are the tight tunnels to air pockets

[narrow owl]

once you get below the blue line it's very straightforward

[atomic locust]

big room

[modern harness]

My personal prolems Ive experiences with ST is the path between the gate shelter and the shelter closer to main PY are way too far apart with no breaks

[narrow owl]

it's just that the linear sections to SI and IC are very hidden for some reason

[modern harness]

And the path to actually get into PY kinda sucks

[modern harness]

I was completely stuck above the blue line and Ive hated PY ever since

[narrow owl]

PY seems to be intentionally hidden from filtration

which makes sense but it also kinda dissapointing

blue is pipes needed to be taken to get to PY, green is what will probably be used instead

[atomic locust]

I dislike how they messed with filt routing 😠

I have to learn two different versions of each connection smh

[narrow owl]

most of downpour has suspect routing tbh

it feels like almost no thought was put into it

maybe its a thing where they made all the rooms, realized the routing wasn't great, but didn't want to remake them?

[atomic locust]

region made entirely out of gallery rooms

[narrow owl]

it almost seems like effort was put in to make it bad on purpose

[narrow owl]

like this is devious

you will only find pipeyard by going a very specific route in industrial

[atomic locust]

pipeyard is definitely kinda hidden

[narrow owl]

in filtration you don't at all

[atomic locust]

for.. some reason

(I dont get it)

[narrow owl]

shoreline is genuinely just funny

[atomic locust]

I like the shoreline one!

[narrow owl]

and sky islands you maybe find it

[atomic locust]

because you get in by jumping from the very very top of the room

only time that mechanic is ever used meaningfully

[narrow owl]

oh that's funny

would have been a bit more obvious if they removed the poles and added a shortcut pipe instead

although it looks like a shortcut pipe was there already

[grave stag]

only reason I found pipeyard initially was because sky islands but other places feel bit out of place where to go to get to the pipeyard

[narrow owl]

yeah sky islands makes sense

since squid isn't required to reach it

so if you don't figure out squid you still get to play the game

[atomic locust]

honestly my guess as to why they did that is because they didnt want to accidentally change up the vanilla camplain routing too much

so they put it where new players probably wont stumble into it

[narrow owl]

just seems unnecessarily safe

especially in filtration another route is desperately needed

either that or an improvement to the DS route

or just anywhere in subterranean really

the region is just a massive dead end

pipeyard gate here would work nicely I think

or a path to pipeyard starting there

[tiny glacier]

Conclusion: Pipeyard is too big

[tiny glacier]

I felt so smart doing that as Spear master

[teal timber]

ha. ha. ha. ha. ha.

If you run out of karma there you are forced to spear-ladder your way out.

[tiny glacier]

[teal timber]

(there simply isn't enough food for the gate, at least as the Gourmand)

[tiny glacier]

[teal timber]

And the way Sump Tunnel is laid out means those spears are not easy to come by, either. It takes half a cycle to place one, and even when you do get out there's no shelter close by.

[tiny glacier]

Evil sump tunnel

[teal timber]

It's supposed to be a one-way* path to Shoreline, which is already bad enough. But then sometimes the path just isn't possible and you have to use that asterisk.

And the character that has the worst time in it (the Gourmand) is by far the one most likely to find it.

[tiny glacier]

The spear master is the least likely but Pipeyard is useful as Spearmatwr

And you can bypass looking for a spear

[teal timber]

And the gate to Subterranean may as well not exist, it's insanely difficult and also one-way. That means all of lower Pipeyard is garbage.

[tiny glacier]

Yes

This

It’s too big

[teal timber]

(and you'll find Sump Tunnel's trap before finding that gate)

Sump Tunnel is the closest the game comes to being softlockable.

[tiny glacier]

Upper pipeyard is fine

Middle pipeyard is annoying

And lower pipeyard is hell

[atomic locust]

where is sump tunnel a trap? Idontgetit

(like, geometry-wise)

I cant spot any rooms that feel particularly one-way

[tiny glacier]

Spear pinning being necessary

And there being very few spears

[atomic locust]

I do remember struggling to go left a while back

[teal timber]

https://noblecat57.github.io/map.html?slugcat=gourmand&region=VS&room=VS_B13

can't get up from the shelter

so instead you have to do this

[tiny glacier]

Unless you’re spearmaster

[teal timber]

Or, if I may zoom out a tad, this.

[atomic locust]

I see I see

[tiny glacier]

I just never go to sump tunnel

It’s never worth it

Except maybe as Saint going to Shoreline

[teal timber]

And good luck finding spears down there. They're probably in the water tunnels or something.

[atomic locust]

you get a placed spear here that is designed to be used as dropwig bait tho ❤️

[tiny glacier]

Plural

[teal timber]

You need two.

[tiny glacier]

You need plural

[teal timber]

One for the sloped chute on the right, one to climb out the hole on the left.

[atomic locust]

have you considered wiggleflight?

[teal timber]

Yes, actually.

[tiny glacier]

Oh right

Why didn’t I think of that

[teal timber]

It's probably easier in some ways.

[tiny glacier]

That sounds like a perfect use of time

[teal timber]

Also, the climb on the right is above water, and wiggleflight only goes straight up, so... it actually doesn't work

[twin ridge]

wiggleflight!

[atomic locust]

hm. have you considered a ledge crawlturnvault

actually a CTJ could probably do it

[late copper]

Pipeyard to filtration is actually one way for slugcats with normal movement

[late copper]

[narrow owl]

Oh wow

Yeah that's very weird

[narrow owl]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1331996999146410004

Does this thread need to be deleted?

They were playing with MSC on in vanilla

I think not but I don't know for sure

[late copper]

not necessary I don't think

[atomic locust]

I wouldn't bother

I'll just close it so no one clicks into it

[grave stag]

the new playthrough channel: https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1333814532375580724

for this particular player's playthrough

[turbid bane]

[silver musk]

cong🐀s

hop on fp helpering now

[turbid bane]

oh god

im too scared i would soil

[grizzled prism]

could go for gelpering too

[turbid bane]

[silver musk]

we could use more fpelper application tbh

obligatory propaganda message

the form in pins

🗣️

[turbid bane]

i would probably forget i have the role and stop showing up there

[modern harness]

Sometimes we get pings

[silver musk]

probably the most pinged role

[turbid bane]

sometimes

oh

frequently

[silver musk]

out of all helpers

[modern harness]

The most pinged but its not like we get pinged often, still

[turbid bane]

lol

[modern harness]

Maybe a couple times a week, if anyone remembers the role exists and is pingable

[turbid bane]

btw one thing i never told you guys

i have seen an albino vulture spawn naturally once

outside of arena

i jjust couldnt capture it

or i didnt think it was anything of interest

(it was in outskirts, not MS)

[silver musk]

NICE

what campaign was that?

do you still have the save?

[turbid bane]

no

i completely forgot

i could go for chalver probably because challenges are cool and i actually am there quite a lot

[silver musk]

you could do that as well

[turbid bane]

ill probably go for it

[quick elk]

There are no responsibilities for being a helper, once you get the role it just means you have the perms because staff trusts you to not grief or do bad stuff

[twin ridge]

Technically foggy probably has an insane amount of messages in the first playthrough forums

[tranquil mulch]

Tbh even the MS Albino is insanely rare since all of the glitchless accessible rooms that can have Vultures are Vulture-Avoid, and they're also MirosVulture-Forbidden which disables Grubs

I waited 30 minutes in a valid room to get a screenshot of it for the Wiki (did get a few normal Vultures) before I gave up and just modified the room priorities to force the Albino Vulture there.

And that's a literal 30 minutes

Different story if you clip into BA though

[silver musk]

he hit survivor by chatting in his fp threads

[twin ridge]

true XD

[turbid bane]

thats only 2 channels and im helping no one

yes i have

as saint in undergrowth

Nuh uh, before my final one i died in garbage wastes i was missing 1 echo and was in subterranean with only a handful of cycles left so i tried to get to subterranean's entrance in farm arrays

[modern harness]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1319676514853326969 I have to go to school but Snowy has been struggling on getting to Spear LTTM for a while
Theyre hellbent on using her Wall to get there but theyre stuck in the Tower Room™️ and dont like her Underhang

[gray musk]

So send them to precipice via leg, or what?

[atomic locust]

not advisable to tell someone where to go exactly

[gray musk]

There are only 2 ways to get to moon. Via vents, or Precipice. And they don't seem to like Vents much.

[modern harness]

TL would require walking all the way through SC to TE and getting up to the gate, meanwhile LTTM's region is right there, its just that Vents sucks

Unless they have a passage to spare but idk if they do

[atomic locust]

really their best option is just to persevere with the path they've been to but it can be discouraging

[modern harness]

Or if they have a shelter anywhere near TL

[gray musk]

So Ig just a little motivational talk.

[turbid bane]

the vents path isnt too long

so just a little push should be fine

Veryy short

[atomic locust]

@gray musk that's an artificer pearl dialogue.

where pebbles describes the point of the precipice

[gray musk]

Oh, so I was right, I just didn't realize they migh not know that.

[atomic locust]

gotta consider these things 🥺

[gray musk]

Yeah, IK the stuff, but don't remember where it's said. Need to be more careful.

[atomic locust]

if you're ever unsure you can ask here

[turbid bane]

for spearmaster i killed the scavs for food delivery

[crude oxide]

It's so strange to me how much some people dislike struts. I get it, it can be annoying and frustrating, but so can be the leg and underhang. I guess the issue is that the leg and underhang can be easily skipped, whereas in order to get to precipice you usually either need to get to the wall and go east through the whole underhang, or go through memory crypts and the leg

[atomic locust]

miros vulture spawn RNG can be hell if you're unlucky!

if just depends on how your run goes tbh

[crude oxide]

Yeah, it can. I got really lucky because i found probably the easiest route through struts when i visited it for the first time, only 2 small rooms where a miros vulture could be

[turbid bane]

@silver musk #1319676514853326969 message idk if here im supposed to say anything or give any tips

like "you always have spears with you"

[atomic locust]

it's kinda difficult to give direct advice for combat

honestly the tip I'd give is that they dont always need to be holding the pearl

you can set it down and come back for it

[silver musk]

you chill somewhere half of the cycle until they all fall down a random pit /silly

actually despite spear being able to carry two spears I'd still advise to carry a rock instead

[turbid bane]

yea

i was gonna suggest that he keeps 1 rock too

[silver musk]

could as well fight them over a pit to make them fall

[turbid bane]

yeah

spear is in areas with pits most of the time

[silver musk]

my go-to method would be plain pipejuke but that's too cheesy and advanced to suggest in a fp thread

[turbid bane]

at least if you take the story path

pipejuke is advanced???

ive used it since forever

[silver musk]

it is not intuitive at first

[atomic locust]

hello!!! RW Server Staff here!!!

Apply For First Playthrough Helpers 👻 ooooooo

oooooooooooo

[turbid bane]

i still gotta think

[silver musk]

@turbid bane did you hear that?

[turbid bane]

no

im at karma 3

[silver musk]

[turbid bane]

i cant hear ghosts

[grave stag]

monk role was minimum for it right tho?

[atomic locust]

yeh

[grave stag]

I still gotta chat more I guess :D

[turbid bane]

gl

[grave stag]

ty I will need it, as pretty much only place I am active here are the first playthroughs or some art channels

[turbid bane]

ooooo 👻 try rwscs

[atomic locust]

this is true!

[grave stag]

rwscs?

[turbid bane]

#vanilla-server-challenges

#downpour-server-challenges

👻

[silver musk]

kalum's influence

@atomic locust I blame you

👻

[grave stag]

I still am trying to collect my pearls completely/get my expedation achievement so I haven't touched challenges yet :D

[turbid bane]

only if you were collecting those pearls in vanilla...

i should?

[grave stag]

I will collect my pearls on vanilla not on expedation!

[turbid bane]

i meant not msc

my bad

[grave stag]

do I now gotta collect all porls as hunter just to add extra spice? :D

[turbid bane]

inside one shelter

you can do it as hunter but your gonna need the stomach pearl too

just make sure to look at the challenge sheet and the allowlist on it

[grave stag]

I was not planning on it for challenge but for my own collection

[turbid bane]

alright

[grave stag]

problem with challenges is that I don't like any name colour enough to actually go through the effort to collect the challenge, atleast yet when I still think game has another 500ish hours of gameplay still to offer me :D

[turbid bane]

rocks arent able to demask a vulture mask right?

[tiny glacier]

No

[turbid bane]

1 dmg needs to be dealt

[tiny glacier]

Yes

Monk has a very hard time with it because of that

[turbid bane]

rip

[tiny glacier]

Honestly Survivor is easier than Monk if you’re experienced

The lowered damage and spear power is important

And lots of RWSC are harder as monk

[turbid bane]

depends

if one relies on movement with enemies nearby then monk is good

[tiny glacier]

(Ornaments)

[turbid bane]

uh oh

[grave stag]

I personally think survivor is easier than monk just because surv has bit more dmg I guess I am more violent person than monk is designed to be

[atomic locust]

they fit different playstyles.

survivor is more generalist

monk suits pacifism

[grave stag]

fair

regardless of campaign all scavs you see must be killed is pretty much how I play game unless trying to speedrun a bit then I just pay scavs with pearls

arti playthrough just enforced this ideal :D

[grave stag]

So survivor is better recommendation for most people?

[tiny glacier]

Yes

Survivor was the only campaign before 1.5

[twin ridge]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1326986861046005840 someone pin the gourm win

Oh dear I stop following every new post for a couple of days and now there's 17 msc forums

[modern harness]

lol

[grave stag]

Mood :D

[modern harness]

Someone keep an eye on gm_construct, theyre being kinda openly spoilerly with someones Gourd playthrough

[twin ridge]

Oh dear
Directly told them they need to eat the red centi or aquapede

[modern harness]

They also openly mentioned scups and a "special ending" regarding them

[tiny glacier]

Wow

[modern harness]

I deleted it and pinged them after that

[tiny glacier]

That’s

[twin ridge]

Sob

[tiny glacier]

That isn’t even nudging that’s just straight up spoiling

[twin ridge]

Accidental flytrap

[tiny glacier]

WHERE

[modern harness]

Yeaa

[twin ridge]

Not recorded and in gourm, but https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1335000108877615185

[tranquil mulch]

Loading screen tips

[modern harness]

Theyre a new server member so obv Im thinking they dont know how we do felping xd

[twin ridge]

Yeah, probably just picked a forum to "help" someone in

[modern harness]

Help = Completely spoil something regarding the story ending

I would be so upset if someone did that to me

[tiny glacier]

Death

The punishment is death

[grave stag]

I swear some people can't read rules

Spoiling stuff is especially bad because imo more than half of the rain world experience is just exploring and experimenting

[strong hemlock]

I did that to myself when I raged at survivor 🙏

[twin ridge]

First rule of discord: the average user can't read

[tiny glacier]

There should be a test

Called “reading the rules”

[grave stag]

No that's just first rule of internet

[grave stag]

Bring in the written applications!

[tiny glacier]

Yes

[modern harness]

Yea

[tiny glacier]

Perfect

[tranquil mulch]

tick 10 boxes saying that you have read the rules, then take a quiz with a written 3 page essay requirement on how well you understand rule 1984

only then you can enter

[modern harness]

Pleas

[grave stag]

People would tick the 10 boxes-> copy paste rules and assignment to chat gpt to write essay-> submit that

[tranquil mulch]

this gets broken so often...

[twin ridge]

Looks like they're about to do something similar in the spearmaster forum btw

#1319676514853326969 message in case it needs fphelper

[modern harness]

[grave stag]

Is my name already something that breaks this rule? .-.

[tranquil mulch]

(just in case, rule 1984 is a joke and not serious )

[grave stag]

(ik I have read the official rules and memorized them to certain degree :D)

[tiny glacier]

@glad void should we tell them how you can know if there are broadcasts from the sleep menu thing with the token unlocks?

[glad void]

they never asked for that so probably not

[tiny glacier]

Ok

Maybe they’ll notice

[glad void]

[modern harness]

Should we like
Do smth about gm_construct ..?
Im not sure what to think about them rn

[glad void]

Saint screenshot... in a gourmand thread...

[modern harness]

Ill just delete it methinks
No reason it should be in a Gourd thread

[twin ridge]

You've had to tell them to stop spoiling a few times, have they been directed here yet?

[modern harness]

Uhh dont think so

[glad void]

[twin ridge]

Maybe you should send them here so they can read the information?
If that doesn't work set sprinkles on them

[atomic locust]

🙂

btw if any of you ever wanna make any First Playthrough Resources™️, feel free to post em here and I'll pin em

that reminds me

Player Helping Guidelines

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1. Avoid giving the player information that has not been asked for, particularly if it is something that the player could find enjoyment in discovering for themselves.

• Non-intuitive information (such as ||swimming mechanics|| or ||downspears||) can be more freely given to the player to help them avoid frustration.
• If the player is clearly stuck, information in the form of hints is helpful and sometimes needed, but it should be something the player chooses to view.

2. Avoid guiding the player with the specific intent of pushing them towards or away from a particular route/choice! There is no "Right Way" to play Rain World.

• The uniqueness of each first playthrough is part of what can make them so special, and trying to push the player into a narrow range of decisions can be harmful to that.
• One particularly common instance of this is ||Eating the neurons in LTTM.|| Although it can be tempting to guide players towards a particular choice in this case, not interfering with the player's decisions or implying a correct choice is the right thing to do.

3. The enjoyment of the player should take priority over any other guidelines.

• If a player is considering giving up or seeking out external information sources due to a struggle they are having, then relaxing on spoilers and giving more direct advice is better than trying to keep to strict rules and causing them to quit the game entirely.
• This can apply in reverse as well! If the player is in a good flow, guidance and information is not needed and can do more harm than good.

Hint Tips

• Any new information in a hint should be given in spoiler tags, as the player should choose to see the information per guideline 1.
  "Major Hint:||Mobile creatures|| may be useful in crossing that gap in Sky Islands."
• If you're unsure how much help a player needs, consider giving multiple levels of hints in one message!
  Minor Hint: Grab, eat, and throw everything to see what you can do!
  Medium Hint: ||Other creatures may be more adapted to the environment than you; see if you can take advantage of that!||
  Major Hint: ||You can do X!||" (to be used sparingly)
• Hints can be phrased as questions to make players consider the answer without being given it.
  "What do you think X is trying to do?" instead of "X is trying to do Y."
• If you can't think of what advice to give to a player, see what others have done in the past! You can ask directly in a first playthrough channel, or search message history for relevant phrases. (Pinging the First Playthrough Helpers role is also a viable option in the case that the help is time-sensitive, even if you are one yourself.)

Commonly Useful Tips

• "Grab, eat and throw everything you see, in that order."
• "You can always go the way you came, if you're feeling stuck."
• "The map shows the true layout of your surroundings, even when you can't see it."
• List of useful tips by Aeter
  (ping me if you think of any other good widely useful tips!)

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[twin ridge]

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[modern harness]

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