Old FP Guide Coordination [Archived]

[teal timber]

You can swim up

[modern harness]

And then drown

[teal timber]

There's a shelter at the top. That's what makes it "the secret terror chute".

It's a valid path, but only if you're OK with swimming in the Rain for a bit

[modern harness]

I tried doing it once and I still drowned what chance do they have of doing it

[worldly ether]

I believe I found that one, and it’s in a pretty accessible spot. Main issue is if scavs take it

[teal timber]

I mean, even if they fail to reach the shelter, they'll see the pearl there. They seem good enough at the game to be able to make it, though.

[silver musk]

@twin ridge

They don't know about masks yet

[twin ridge]

HOW

WHAT

well thanks for deleting then ig

[silver musk]

They know they can demask vultures and grab masks

But never discovered the interaction with lizards

[twin ridge]

I didn't even know you could demask them till after beating saint so meh

[crude oxide]

no way

[silver musk]

Soiled 🫵

[crude oxide]

well tbf it probably would take some time to find it out on your own. i might've not known it without wiki

[feral shale]

wait what

[twin ridge]

#1311532004055187527 message first playthrough lore

[modern harness]

#1313255059240521850 message Wild HLL encounter

[crude oxide]

no way

[modern harness]

Does he know?

[crude oxide]

he does not

[teal timber]

#1313255059240521850 message
preparing my essay on why MSC game design sux

(not really, I don't wanna ruin the fun like that)

[silver musk]

@rigid gyro drags you here I do recommend sniffing through pins in this channel and such if you aim to help first playthrough

[rigid gyro]

Alright + Sorry

[silver musk]

No worries! Just making you aware of that place we have some guidelines and policies written up here. It could help

[atomic locust]

I wonder if people would enjoy MSC more if they were encouraged to play vanilla for a while even after finishing their first playthroughs 🤔

it does seem to be designed for experienced players

[crude oxide]

i guess so, most msc campaigns require good map knowledge, combat and movement skills

[dark tiger]

Playing and beating hunter made the msc campaigns very digestible for me

[crude oxide]

it's the other way around for me

[modern harness]

@balmy yarrow Read pins here to learn how to properly help new players out

[modern harness]

What do we suggest for someone who has bad arachnophobia
It kinda rules out Shaded at minimum for regions they can go into, and significantly more with other Scugs

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1320211786124755035

[dark tiger]

Wolf and spitter spiders also become frequent in some regions so

It's tough

[atomic locust]

console or PC? if PC then they have accessibility options via workshop

[dark tiger]

Taking away all the threat of shaded and moon exterior, among others

But I suppose that's still better than them not being able to play the game

[atomic locust]

nuh, that's the last resort

the ones I'm thinking of are the ones that replace spiders with another sprite

[dark tiger]

Oh do those exist?

[atomic locust]

like the one that replaces them with the word "spider"

in big red text

[dark tiger]

Lethal company lmao

[atomic locust]

yeah

based off of that

[dark tiger]

Yeah that's a lot better

[modern harness]

Yeah
It wouldnt completely remove the threat but itd be more digestible for them

[atomic locust]

honestly. there's probably a good market for respriting spiders into a different equally scary creature 🤔

so it doesnt ruin immersion but makes it Not A Spider

[dark tiger]

Remaking a whole new sprite that still has the same level of liveliness of the current ones would be awesome but difficult I'd imagine

The way spiders are animated is really cool (as are most creatures)

[atomic locust]

replace every sprite chunk with a circle and call it a weird evil blob creature 👻

[dark tiger]

TRUE

[crude oxide]

and add tentacles to those blobs

[modern harness]

Foggy's first experience with elite scavs:
One of them had a singularity bomb

Didnt throw it, but it was present

[silver musk]

Reminds me when there was a person who played arti. They defeated a miros vulture and made a thread named "I defeated a miros vulture". It was an obvious spoiler so I asked to rename. They changed it to "I defeated the boss" 💀 Took me some effort to point out the issue without pointing out the issue

[modern harness]

lol

[silver musk]

A miros vulture I meant

They both are birds so I always confuse them

[modern harness]

I still cant believe the first time they saw elites, one of em had a sing bomb

Thats crazy

Never saw it again after dying too

[silver musk]

Insane luck

[crude oxide]

i haven't seen elite scavs with a singularity bomb

[atomic locust]

I wonder what the farthest anyone has gotten into RW:DP without seeing pebbles or moon is

I imagine food quest on gourm has been done at least a few times without seeing pebbles and following a pilg

[crude oxide]

was that a stowaway

[atomic locust]

link?

[grizzled prism]

yup

[crude oxide]

I don't want to say it in https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1313255059240521850

[grizzled prism]

lets go first playthrough stowaway

[crude oxide]

I've never seen one

[atomic locust]

I don't think you can really say for certain
they didn't mention any qualities of the new thing

[grizzled prism]

they're streaming

in the vc so we saw what they mean :3

[crude oxide]

they were in undergrowth but think it's before fp was built

[atomic locust]

they'll figure it out soon enough :P

[crude oxide]

I can't wait to see the reaction after getting to the silent construct

[grizzled prism]

this is exciting

[silver musk]

I can't

the propaganda is real

[grizzled prism]

[modern harness]

:3c

[tranquil mulch]

First playthrough Adventurer propaganda

[silver musk]

@crude oxide they have no idea there's an echo at the end

[crude oxide]

they've already visited it

and i didn't even mean that one in particular

[silver musk]

it isn't there for every campaign and the world is changed

so better to keep it a secret imo

[modern harness]

Submerged

[tranquil mulch]

It's there only as Saint

[crude oxide]

what i meant is that instead of going to submerged they could go to other echoes that are easier to get without saying that directly
i wasn't encouraging them to go to ss nor hinted that there's an echo

[silver musk]

ye like my only reasoning is that your message implied there's an echo at the end of submerged Also they are just exploring Also <@&1134247311954944161> opportunity

[crude oxide]

i just don't think rwsc's is something you should try to do on your first sait playthrough
especially one that involves going to ss

[tranquil mulch]

reference to reaching OE

[silver musk]

that goes by a person's discretion Foggy just feels like exploring into SS right now

[atomic locust]

they were going there of their own volition and dont even know that the <@&1134247311954944161> challenge exists

[modern harness]

#1315308906066743326 message Person figuring out lore on their own

[rigid gyro]

The best surprise ever

[silver musk]

@tiny glacier foggy have never been to metro

[tiny glacier]

Oh

Uh

[silver musk]

Yeah

So don't push it yet

No arti yet yeah

[tiny glacier]

Ok

I won’t

The riddle is very deceptive and it requires lots of outside knowledge

[silver musk]

That's why I said it's unfair and the clues are related to artificer campaign mostly

[tiny glacier]

Wait is there a way to learn the drone’s name?

Without the

[silver musk]

Nuh... it's community given name

Like very meta

[tiny glacier]

No but like in the server

Any archived messages or something like that?

Because I know the origin

[silver musk]

It goes from more slugcats server iirc. So not here I assume

[tiny glacier]

Ah ok

[tranquil mulch]

The Console Downpour trailer names the drone.

But to be clear, it postdates the community name adoption, not is the cause of it.

Just like Downpour itself, it's a community-made thing turned official

[atomic locust]

we should make a community initiative to make better clues

as a separate set

I think the first hint is pretty good but the others seem a lot more... meh.

[silver musk]

There is a separate riddle already somewhere

It leads to that wagon

[atomic locust]

I would be curious to see how someone says "type this in the menu" in riddle form

[tranquil mulch]

is Foggy just insistent on Never-Artificering

[tiny glacier]

Yeah they probably think that it’s only combat

They will probably do arti last

[teal timber]

#1313255059240521850 message
Remind me to mention this to them later

[twin ridge]

#1321030205275377749 message
First msc shelter is a precycle

[crude oxide]

no way

[twin ridge]

@modern harness oh no

we're never meeting pebbles

[modern harness]

If they miss him Im gonna tell him there more lol

[twin ridge]

yeah lol
probably will use the shelter coming up

we are now officially using shelters going away from pebbles

[modern harness]

Damb

[twin ridge]

after passing through his room

[modern harness]

Insert Mr. Krabs meme: How do we tell em?

[twin ridge]

so true

that might have worked lol

[modern harness]

Tis up to me now

[modern harness]

Im so smooth with it

[modern harness]

If I am somehow not present when Foggy finishes Saint can someone do the Obligatory Repost for me? :3

[teal timber]

I will if I'm there

[modern harness]

[tiny glacier]

Oh god Foggy is delusional and thinks inv is in the saint campaign

They really, really , really are trying to ignore Artificer

[teal timber]

[late copper]

Foggy's thread is making me want to play msc again

[tiny glacier]

Yeah

It’s such an experience

[late copper]

I might do that tomorrow

[tiny glacier]

Although very different to the base game

I’m playing INV

I’m at full karma in IC

Gonna go get the chimney and wall echoes

[crude oxide]

it's probably the longest thread

[silver musk]

I swear it is the most entertaining playthough to follow since the very beginning

[twin ridge]

it has been highly entertaining

[tranquil mulch]

trying to decipher the metropolis gate symbols instead of doing Arti

[twin ridge]

ik XD

[modern harness]

Its so funny

[quick elk]

Returned to fpelper a bit, please ping me if I screw something up

[modern harness]

Should we tell em "You dont ahve the knowledge required to complete the riddle" as a hint to do Arti finally lmao

[narrow owl]

probably

[quick elk]

We should teach them how to gate bypass instead

[narrow owl]

TRUE

[modern harness]

But drone...... /silly

[quick elk]

btw if the "making better inv riddle" project ever starts, can someone please ping me? 👉 👈 it sounds interesting

[atomic locust]

maybe it'd be like

1. General Location Riddle
2. What The Thing Is Riddle
3. How To Use It Riddle

(2 and 3 could be combined)

[modern harness]

Should we tell em now that they cant complete the riddle without doing Arti lol
This is getting sad /lh

[crude oxide]

wouldn't really call arti a relaxing experience #1313255059240521850 message

but at least it's not the riddle

[tranquil mulch]

honestly I've had this desire for a while

[quick elk]

There's the other reason behind it and having some more gameplay before The Horrors wouldn't hurt

[tranquil mulch]

(to tell to do Arti)

[modern harness]

[crude oxide]

hmm
doesn't arti have 9 food pips
tho i think it's just a coincidence
#1313255059240521850 message

[tranquil mulch]

Hunter has 9 food pips and can't go through the gate

This is completely unfair

[crude oxide]

ture!!

[modern harness]

Realizing that theyre probably gonna attempt studying the drone symbols when FP recalibrates it

[quick elk]

#1313255059240521850 message would saying something along the lines of "or implies not that it is one of the two, but rather could be both" be too much of a hint? I really don't want to ruin the experience

[teal timber]

Remember everyone, I name-dropped Sofanthiel back when they first tried the Artificer's campaign

[tiny glacier]

No way

Sneaky

[crude oxide]

yeah but they have no idea that sofanthiel and inv are connected in any way

[tiny glacier]

Yeah I know

They weren’t there when it began and they have no idea

[crude oxide]

#1313255059240521850 message
imagine if there was a dialogue where 5p fires arti

[modern harness]

Cant wait to see what theyre gonna call thr actual king scav

[silver musk]

#1321494368737300561 message lol

[crude oxide]

vultures i assume

[dark tiger]

Could be centiwings too

First time I've heard vultures being referred to as worms, if that's the case

[silver musk]

I have no idea but that name is bizarre

[crude oxide]

they definitely haven't gotten to sky islands yet
the only flying creatures besides vultures they could've seen are noodleflies i guess

[modern harness]

Cant wait to tell Foggy Arti has 2 complete endings

[dark tiger]

Getting camped by an angry noodlefly is an experience I forget happens lol

[crude oxide]

they're so annoying to fight

[crude oxide]

and squidcadas

does foggy call elite scavs king scavs?

[tranquil mulch]

probably Adult Noodleflies

[crude oxide]

yeah it was noodleflies

[tranquil mulch]

nvm I read 3 messages ahead

[silver musk]

@teal timber

[modern harness]

Yes

I cant for them to see the Actual king scav

[crude oxide]

king king scav!

[modern harness]

:p

I just realized the scav graffiti on the wall showing the shelter in the screen below
lmao

Theyre passing voer it everytime 😭

[silver musk]

I went the same path on my first playthrough and never noticed it

[tiny glacier]

Same

Have they discovered Five Pebbsi?

[silver musk]

he's in metro rn

[tiny glacier]

Also I realized that they probably passed over the important graffiti

Both of them

You know what I mean

[modern harness]

What grafitti

[tiny glacier]

The Sofanthiel

And the ones that indicate shelters

[modern harness]

Ah

They havent gone down enough yet to even get close to the graffiti :p
I dont think theyre looking too hard at the grafitti to begin with

[tiny glacier]

Yeah like me when I played rain world

I viduslly tuned it out

From seeing so much of it

[modern harness]

Oh yeah I forget that tunnel's unmarked
No wonder

[tiny glacier]

Should we tell them?

[grizzled prism]

only if they ask for help

[tiny glacier]

About the shelter?

[grizzled prism]

the fact they keep passing it is killing me

[tiny glacier]

I know

[grizzled prism]

but we can't tell them without them asking first

[tiny glacier]

Yeah

[modern harness]

Maybe have accidentally soiled but I think they were stuck on the idea of the Inv riddle thing being in a gate door because the riddles are stupid and the gates look more like doors than shelters do

[tiny glacier]

Oh no

Did I spoil too much?

[modern harness]

Saying "uh oh" in response to them saying something correct is kinda, telling

[tiny glacier]

When did I say that

[modern harness]

After they said Metro is a desert

[tiny glacier]

Oh

Well it is though

[modern harness]

Yes

[tiny glacier]

I see now

“His name can be found on the door deep in the desert” Would be a much better way to re write the riddle

[atomic locust]

goodness

[tiny glacier]

Wow

[grizzled prism]

don't forget the vanilla post

[tiny glacier]

Over 20k messages that’s impressive

[atomic locust]

👻

hmmmm

First Playthrough Guiding & Coordination

rebrand

[icy bison]

4 month old message jumpscare

[tiny glacier]

Ok

[atomic locust]

#1321494368737300561 message

@crude oxide just for future reference; it's best not to say "the one with this feature?" when youre unsure because if it wasn't that thing then it'd be a spoiler

I recommend just asking them to describe it further 👻

[modern harness]

@tiny glacier Please stop being backseaty with the riddle solving xd

[tiny glacier]

Ok I will stop

It’s hard not to

[late copper]

@gray musk Eel lizard

[gray musk]

Ok, I might be wrong, but I still think it's just a green with a lot of blur.

[late copper]

There's no way a green lizard can get into that room

The room next to it is full of water, and there is a lineage from nothing into an eel lizard there

[tranquil mulch]

Also see the Player 1 text indicating that Jolly Co-Op is enabled.

[gray musk]

Ok.

[tranquil mulch]

While not a guarantee, it makes it very likely that MSC is enabled

[tiny glacier]

Everyone stay calm, Foggy found the Sofanthiel shelter

[tiny glacier]

Wait so should we not help foggy at all with the graffiti?

[silver musk]

Nuh I mean yeah as long as they ask

[tiny glacier]

Ok

[silver musk]

It's a good idea to nudge foggy slightly to the solution. Tho I don't know how to without giving out the significance of the graffiti

[tiny glacier]

Ok

[silver musk]

The riddle doesn't lead to it

[tiny glacier]

Yeah it does not

[modern harness]

Which is why it should be reworked lmao

[tiny glacier]

The only way people would figure it out if they were there when Sofanthiel was created in that one discord post

[silver musk]

Yeah... I keep mentioning the riddle's unfair

[tiny glacier]

Oh dang I just saw that Sofanthiel got name dropped when foggy first started Artificer

[modern harness]

Yea
I wonder if they even remember that

It was a while ago

[tiny glacier]

Probably not

And they don’t know that the graffiti even says a name

They probably rhink that it’s just a code

Put away your Morse code translators chat

[modern harness]

I dont know a better way to direct around the grafitti being part of the riddle
I do have a secondary riddle thats part of the inscribed bricks one if they need help with that part

[tiny glacier]

What is it?

[modern harness]

"The pillar always appears after a dark storm"

[tiny glacier]

Ohhh that’s a good one

[modern harness]

ie the title

[tiny glacier]

Yes

[modern harness]

Ye

[tiny glacier]

7 for console 8 for PC

Unless you have DMS on

Then you have 9

Also some of the hints are literal and some are not

So inconsistency as well

[modern harness]

Yeaa

[teal timber]

Oh true, and Foggy has DMS on-

[tiny glacier]

Oh

Yeah

[atomic locust]

I think the best way to go about things is just to confirm when something correct has been done 🙂

[silver musk]

[tiny glacier]

So getting some letters right?

[atomic locust]

well- no need to handhold.

[tiny glacier]

Ok

[atomic locust]

but they're on the track of decoding the graffiti which is good

[tiny glacier]

Yes

Although they’re seeing a 5 and not an S

[silver musk]

They don't know it's a text code or something

[tiny glacier]

Yeah

[silver musk]

They are just trying to read the graffiti

[gray musk]

How much should I correct terminology?

[modern harness]

Wdym

[gray musk]

How much/little should I correct peoples incorect terminology in their #1272670046434492426 / #1269808032276152451 posts.

[modern harness]

Wdym by inccorect terminoly

Like, creature names or smth?

[gray musk]

yep.

[teal timber]

Don't

In fact, try to avoid using the canon names of some creatures if they're spoilers. The creature in Looks to the Moon is "the creature in Looks to the Moon" for example

[modern harness]

Ah

Tehn yeah

1. 90% of creature names ingame are never mentioned and are community names
2. #1270823904247546017 message :3

[teal timber]

And yeah, ping me about adding any inventive nicknames to the Chart™️

[gray musk]

I got a person calling karma cycles. :/

[teal timber]

If someone invents their own terminology, use it in their thread.

[modern harness]

So let them do that

Its not hurting no one as long as the helpers understand what theyre talking about

[teal timber]

(we are very good at figuring out what things are from funny nicknames or vague descriptions)

[modern harness]

Person: Ver vague description of a creature or room
Helpers: We gotchu

[gray musk]

I will object to this. By using incorrect nicknames they will have a harder time learning the real name.

[teal timber]

Yeah, "karma" is only named in the tooltip for Passaging
I usually use the term "level" when in doubt so I don't have to explain what it is.

[teal timber]

Most of the time, there isn't really one.

"lizard" isn't canon. The Passage says "Dragon Slayer", I dare you to start calling them dragons consistently

[modern harness]

Again, 90% of the things named ingaem dont actually have naems are are community names
The person is jsut giving it their own community name as everyone else has

Redzard is funner to say than "red lizard" or "red dragon" so I say it

[teal timber]

wait what

yoink

[modern harness]

Redzard is fun to say tho lol

[twin ridge]

real names are not a thing in this game, the community just made up some that stuck

[teal timber]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1313255059240521850 for example used to call Five Pebbles' puppet "Santa" because "he gives you the Gift". Up until they started reading pearls OFC

[twin ridge]

if you want to go around calling a vulture "big bird" forever, nothing is wrong

[twin ridge]

it was highly entertaining

[teal timber]

And the ones given in Expedition come from the wiki, not the other way around.

[gray musk]

Noted... as long as the terminology is obvious, it doesn't need to be consistent. Thay does mean the cycle in my case should probably be corrected to Level...

[teal timber]

When in doubt, just go with whatever they call it.

[teal timber]

(as for in-code names - "Big Eel" never really caught on now did it)

[gray musk]

and ask ig.

[teal timber]

Now if the name just describes the creature's appearance and doesn't reveal anything about it it's fine, you can call lizards lizards. The issue with spoilery names is mostly for iterator-related things (rot, neurons, puppets, etc.).

[twin ridge]

someone accidentally dropped Rot in foggy's playthrough and they spent forever trying to work out what it was

[gray musk]

so the policy is:

1. use their terminology if possible
2. avoid spoilers
   Right?

[modern harness]

Monster Kelp = Carpet Thing

[twin ridge]

don't even ask if they want the right name, it doesn't matter

unless they ask it's not your business

[modern harness]

Yes except for 3

[teal timber]

Use what they call it, or, failing that, a non-spoilery name for it.

[modern harness]

Never give a person more information than they need if they dont ask for it first :p

[teal timber]

Though in the case of karma I don't call it "levels" for spoiler reasons (though I suppose it could be considered a sneaky lore spoiler...), more because it's a very non-obvious name and people won't know what you're talking about

[twin ridge]

#1313255059240521850 message we're getting there

[atomic locust]

there's a nice pin made by some super awesome guy with general guidelines for helping people

[teal timber]

My go-to for iterator puppets is just "the creature in <name of region>". Calling them by their name is a very slight and unnecessary spoiler for the whole "the creature is an avatar for the rest of the facility" thing. Though, I've seen people just call them the region name anyways, even not knowing that, and I think some people call Looks to the Moon's puppet "Moon" since the region is called "Looks to the Moon" and that's all there is to look at.

(calling it a "puppet" is definitely a spoiler)

[atomic locust]

call it something sensible like Supercomputer Interface

🙄

[tiny glacier]

Maybe just call it a “guy”

[teal timber]

also works

[gray musk]

where?

[twin ridge]

kalum thinks he's cool...

[atomic locust]

@gray musk

[tranquil mulch]

i think that guy should be banned because of being evil

[late copper]

@teal timber add Sea Salamander for Eel and Ooga Boogas for Scavengers to the chart

they also appear to be calling lizards in general salamanders, could there be an entry on the Chart for that?

[tranquil mulch]

The latter is less name and more pejorative tbh

[teal timber]

• "lizards in general" doesn't have an entry
• it's already taken by axolotls

[teal timber]

Oh BTW has Foggy ever found a stowaway?

[tiny glacier]

Not yet

[modern harness]

Not sure

[tiny glacier]

I found my first one in pipeyard as spearmaster

[twin ridge]

haven't seen it happen

[tiny glacier]

It was scary

Horrifying

[twin ridge]

only time i've seen one is during <@&1134247098787823628>

[tiny glacier]

But free food

[modern harness]

Ive seen a few
Saw one eat a redipede

[tiny glacier]

Wow

Mine was in a place with no hostile creatures

Never saw it eat

[teal timber]

Mine was in Forgotten Conduits IIRC?

[modern harness]

Mine was in Gutter as Spear

[tiny glacier]

Lower pipeyard spearmaster

[modern harness]

Got jumpscared then died cuz I dropped my spears and had no way to get out

[twin ridge]

i was told i walked straight past 2 while playing bingo, but i didn't even see them

[tiny glacier]

But not sump tunnel

[gray musk]

Is map and the rain indicator considered a unintuitive mechanic?

[silver musk]

I don't think so. People have access to that info all the time. The issue is that they forget about it often

[late copper]

If they haven't yet discovered what the rain indicator means, that should come with time

[silver musk]

Ye. This is a good point

[gray musk]

They did ask if there is another ending tho...

[silver musk]

Saying something like "some consider dying as an ending" is fine

[gray musk]

.. so acronyms are considered spoilers.

[silver musk]

Mentioning hll on the other side is another story:

1. It's a creature spoiler and you want people to meet it on their own
2. The scope of it is outside of the hunter's campaign

Yeah. Acronyms and ||spoilers|| are still considered spoilers

[modern harness]

Short version, yes

I see an acronym in a forum title I will Spoiler Blast™️ it

[grizzled prism]

Yes

As Saint in UG

I forwarded the name while ago

Oh nvm I did not

Lemme look for it

Cool times, I looked back at the stream for a second and saw one shooting their thingies at Foggy lol

Ah I shouldve taken a picture

Ive never noticed one personally, this was the first time I saw one in real time

[silver musk]

I was lucky to meet it in the OE entrance as gourmand

And I had both active in that ug room later

[dark tiger]

Never saw (an active) one myself

[modern harness]

@jovial laurel

You literally jsut spoiled an ENTIRE MECHANIC to Paul

[late copper]

what happened?

[modern harness]

LostFox just spoiled that iterators read colored pearls to Paul

in #1311532004055187527

"Ive not spoiled anything"
Literally spoiled an entire mechanic and creature name in one sentence

[jovial laurel]

so

iterator he doesnt know wtf it is

doesnt matter

[modern harness]

You only learn that Iterator is a word via reading pearls

[jovial laurel]

and a mechanic like cmon, and i wasnt reading a whole month i kinda expected he would have at least seen 5p

[modern harness]

Which, he hasnt learned that yet

[modern harness]

Ight, thats where you went wrong

[jovial laurel]

i mean it's the name of those 2 idk how the hell else, robots

[modern harness]

You NEVER assume players have seen ANYTHING until they directly state it

[jovial laurel]

ok but like

[late copper]

Don't assume what people have or haven't seen by how long they've been playing, some players just spend a lot of time exploring and the time to beat the game varies wildly among players

[jovial laurel]

he has no idea wtf i was even talking about in slightest

so chill out

[glossy rose]

[tiny glacier]

Assume they know nothing and be patient

[modern harness]

Use the name that they use

[glossy rose]

trust me, its better to be the watcher

[modern harness]

If a player calls Moon a robot, call it a robot

[glossy rose]

its fun when they figure it out, and its fun when you see them figure it out

[late copper]

It does spoil that colored pearls have a purpose, and it spoils that there are things that can talk to you in the game

[glossy rose]

the term "iterator" is only seen in the lore which is their job to figure out

[late copper]

which I think is fairly major

not that it ruins the whole experience but, there's really nothing to be gained from telling them that before they figure it out themselves

[jovial laurel]

this is exaggerated

[modern harness]

Helpers prioritize players having fun and figuring things out on their own

If players need help, we give little hints and tips to them

If they continue to struggle, we get more obvious with out answers until they pass or learn something

We do not outright tell a player what a mechanic is if they havent asked for that info directly

[jovial laurel]

dude i was just looking at wtf was going on and just said a response thinking he shouldve already knew to the time spent, dont burn me at stake because i said one thing they dont even understand in the slightest

[modern harness]

Well now you know for next time

Dont assume players know anything until they say it themselves

[jovial laurel]

k

[teal timber]

Besides what's previously stated, keep in mind that players who have met Five Pebbles don't necessarily know that they're called "iterators", or that they have anything to do with pearls. You would be surprised how little first-time players can know

A large number of blind playthroughs don't ever learn either of those things until after beating the game.

[teal timber]

@jovial laurel they mean throwing spears upwards, not using stomach storage.

[late copper]

It doesn't look like they have Remix enabled (no unlock tracker)

[jovial laurel]

reee

[teal timber]

Oh, true, OK.

[jovial laurel]

damn thats a more advanced mechanic than the swallowing

[teal timber]

I don't believe they've figured out down-throwing yet.

[jovial laurel]

they figure out up throw but not down throw??

[teal timber]

(up-throwing is a Remix feature, so that's out of the question)

[jovial laurel]

damn

i learned up throw ages in game

like when I was far in

[teal timber]

No, they don't know how to up-throw, they're asking if it exists.

[jovial laurel]

oh

im getting sleep in a second it's rly late for me

[atomic locust]

I have an idea

revolutionary idea perhaps

[teal timber]

[atomic locust]

pin all notable accomplishments for a first playthrough within a thread (this is for the Power of First Playthrough Helpers only, sadly) (Apply!!!!)

like, meeting moon, meeting pebbles, ascending, etc

[teal timber]

oooooooooo

[atomic locust]

the first playthrough threads have a lot of potential in being something that people can look back on

and I think that would make that cooler

[teal timber]

yeah the pins don't often get used

Might as well.

[atomic locust]

I do pin funny stuff that they make

[teal timber]

If I wanna see if someone's done one thing or another I usually just message-search for it.

[atomic locust]

have you ever applied for FP Helpers btw 🤨

[teal timber]

no

[atomic locust]

well whyyyy noooot

[teal timber]

I know I could get it if I did, I just haven't wanted to

[atomic locust]

think about it! you'll be able to access the Esteemed first playthrough guides thread

ummm... that you already have access to 😔

you'll be able to... #1270823904247546017 message

[modern harness]

You can pin messages

[teal timber]

Not as much of a power as being able to delete spoilers on sight

[modern harness]

True

[twin ridge]

I like the power to change people's roles personally

[atomic locust]

different helper role 👻

[silver musk]

Don't forget the pings you would receive when someone needs help

[grizzled prism]

I wpuld love if people started doing it cuz its always a struggle to figure out what a person has done
I think I proposed this idea earlier but because its a helper only thing it was declined

[tranquil mulch]

simply make everyone a helper

it'd be nice if Discord allowed giving perms to manage messages in a thread to its creator, but unfortunately...

[grizzled prism]

[shrewd timber]

Would it be crazy if I did it for posts I see

[gray musk]

it could be possible to make a bot to do so. (The bot would be the one doing the actions)

[tranquil mulch]

A problem with that is that people on first playthroughs are typically new to the server and a bot existing for this is not intuitive.

[gray musk]

Indeed.

[twin ridge]

the first playthrough helpers green lizard bot!

[teal timber]

#1323264530465423441 message
Now I kinda wish Rain World had something like this. I can't think of what it might be lore-wise, though, without being heavily anachronistic

[twin ridge]

Technically noodlefly eggs are cursed orbs

[teal timber]

true

Something like that, but for all nearby creatures. Would be neat.

[twin ridge]

Ye

[crude oxide]

i wish rain world had rain

[crude oxide]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1300804912485236839
i really like the way they document the playthrough

[atomic locust]

sick

[lapis talon]

woah that looks cool

[teal timber]

"Golden Worm"... scared to add because it's so vague.

[atomic locust]

is it any more vague than "red lizard"

[teal timber]

Void Worms

Eh I'll add it

[glossy rose]

definitely not theorizing that overseers are made from void fluid

[teal timber]

Is it ever possible for guide overseers to have their ID changed, by the way? Mentioning this because this notebook points out that it has three arms.

[atomic locust]

I'm pretty sure iggy doesn't have a set ID, but I'm unsure

@tranquil mulch RAAAAAAAAAAAANNNDDDIIIIIIII

[tranquil mulch]

the player guide has the ID locked at 5

there are a few pieces of code that spawn it, but for brevity, here's the one in Overseer.Die() to replace it if non-Slugcat kills it as it has few lines between the creation and the use:

AbstractCreature abstractCreature = new AbstractCreature(base.abstractCreature.world, StaticWorld.GetCreatureTemplate(CreatureTemplate.Type.Overseer), null, new WorldCoordinate(base.abstractCreature.world.offScreenDen.index, -1, -1, 0), new EntityID(-1, 5));
base.abstractCreature.world.offScreenDen.entitiesInDens.Add(abstractCreature);
(abstractCreature.abstractAI as OverseerAbstractAI).SetAsPlayerGuide((!ModManager.MSC) ? 1 : (base.abstractCreature.abstractAI as OverseerAbstractAI).ownerIterator);
Custom.Log("------Player guide respawned in offscreen den.");

new EntityID(-1, 5) is the relevant part here, the latter number is the ID used by the entity.

other lines that spawn the player guide have the exact same new EntityID(-1, 5) part

the only time SetAsPlayerGuide() is executed on an already existing overseer is when an overseer that's already the player guide migrates to a different region

[teal timber]

Neat!

Is that also true for Five Pebbles' and Seven Red Suns' guiding overseers?

[tranquil mulch]

yeah

same ID of 5, in fact

also, found an interesting thing

Gourmand has a player guide assigned with the owner iterator of 2. That corresponds to the pure green overseer.

[teal timber]

huh

And they just never show up?

[tranquil mulch]

However, WorldLoader.OverseerSpawnConditions() has an extra condition in Gourmand's campaign: it can only appear in OE.

[teal timber]

interesante

[tranquil mulch]

One other condition that's also present in most other campaigns is that the random number is strictly smaller than the region's playerGuideOverseerSpawnChance.

And OE has this property set to 0.

[teal timber]

I see

Cut content, perhaps

[tranquil mulch]

And one more interesting thing about the player guide is in Artificer's campaign

Namely, FP's overseer is set to appear as the guide if you haven't talked to him yet, starting from cycle 10

But

It stops appearing starting on cycle 25.

FP's overseer just gives up on guiding Artificer to him after 15 cycles

[teal timber]

That's hilarious

[teal timber]

@fickle cobalt you probably shouldn't say that

I don't believe they've been to Looks to the Moon or Five Pebbles yet.

[tiny glacier]

Wow

[modern harness]

Accidental Inv found #1282436849675014288 message

Somehow they jsut pressed random bumpers and just got them to show up

[tiny glacier]

No wsy

That’s hilarious

[crude oxide]

no way
new year's wonder

[atomic locust]

I'm skeptical

the odds are just too low

[teal timber]

Shroomie
#old-post-fs message

[modern harness]

[teal timber]

Ardo
#1070072668944085084 message
#1070074127802716170 message
#vanilla-server-challenges message

[tranquil mulch]

agreed

[teal timber]

I like these headcannons

[crude oxide]

interesting

[fickle cobalt]

Sounds like a normal (as in not referencing the game) joke if you don’t have the context ¯_(ツ)_/¯ like replying to “can you lend a hand?” with the same thing

[teal timber]

#1322956288854065162 message
Independently thought of Daddy Long Legs
(nobody tell 'em the actual name)

(what they're coming up with is comedy gold)

[silver musk]

Metal ducks

[fickle cobalt]

Man, seeing the click clacks for the first time in Sub…

[twin ridge]

@strong hemlock if you want to do some first playthrough helping, have a look at the pins here
it's basically just to make sure you don't give any extra information lol

[strong hemlock]

Ah okay

[atomic locust]

hey <@&1137895527271379055> GAMERS

not a super serious ping but I just wanted to share smth 👻

I've started a personal policy to pin all milestones or cool stuff within a run that the player may wanna look back on (as sort of a catalogue, since the first playthrough forums work well as that already)
So.. feel free to pin any milestone within a campaign you see with pretty much no restrictions, as you're definitely not gonna hit the 50 pin cap in a forum so it's no big deal to pin even the little stuff 🤏

eh, should've done that one as silent

[lavish pilot]

[twin ridge]

can i ping fphelpers to pin stuff

[atomic locust]

that's a big ping for a little thing 🤏

[twin ridge]

ok can i ping specific fphelpers to pin stuff

[atomic locust]

yes

also, apply for fphelpers

[twin ridge]

i did

at the same time as chalver

[atomic locust]

if you didnt get accepted at that time then you can probably send another

[twin ridge]

i shall!

[crude oxide]

#1322555951626194944 message
did they lineage a red lizor on accident?

[twin ridge]

It'll be a very red pink lizard

There'd be significantly more panic if a red was after them

[late copper]

yes, the pink lizard near the CC gate lineages into a blue, white, then red

[twin ridge]

OH FUCK NCM

[silver musk]

local person discovers the consequences of their actions

[twin ridge]

Lmao

[silver musk]

it is a red lizard lol

[twin ridge]

That is the consequences of their choices

I'm on mobile I didn't open the link lmao

That's a red lizard alright

Can someone pin that that's kinda fantastic

[silver musk]

got em

[twin ridge]

[atomic locust]

:clueless:

(not quite the same but close enough to the leviathan body structure that it'll have the same effect for this player)

[grizzled prism]

[twin ridge]

#1322956288854065162 message I love people catching brief sight of albino leviathan

these may have been albino jetfish actually
considering the response to the leviathan

[teal timber]

Very interesting theories. I would totally go with them if it wasn't for Looks to the Moon.

I suppose the seeds theory is pretty close to the real answer

[twin ridge]

it's not far off, moon just gives a ton of exposition on these items lol

[tiny glacier]

Can we pin the discovery of the gooieduck’s use against worm grass?

[atomic locust]

maybe if it wasn't in the wrong thread (a vanilla one and someone else's)

[tiny glacier]

Ok

[atomic locust]

👻

but yeah that is a cool find

[crude oxide]

#1322956288854065162 message
oh no

[silver musk]

#1324322922701262879 message @teal timber new guardian name

[tranquil mulch]

Speaking of Guardian names, add Stonehead

#vanilla-spoilers message

[twin ridge]

#1322956288854065162 message
We hit a centipede lineage lmao

[tranquil mulch]

i had a red centipede lineage in sub in my first playthrough

anyway, that SU centipede lineage is one of the most plausible ones to be hit by a new player

100% chance from the edible infant centipede

[twin ridge]

Yeah, once it spawns in you just grab and eat and you have a big guy

[crude oxide]

a red centipede that can lineaged by killing baby centi?

that's even worse than that si one

[tranquil mulch]

❌ there are Red Centipede lineages that begin from infant centis, but none that don't have non-infant centis as intermediate stages

[twin ridge]

Yea, you'd need to be committing mass centi genocide to get punished for your sins

[crude oxide]

oh i see

[tranquil mulch]

well, there are a few Red Centipede lineage dens in Inv that have exactly 1 stage

making them not actually lineage dens

[crude oxide]

there's a red centi in si that can be lineaged just killing a centiwing

[twin ridge]

I love inv!

[crude oxide]

#1300804912485236839 message
this is pretty fast for the second playthrough

[teal timber]

eh

it's a second playthrough

as the Monk

[atomic locust]

good practice for hunter

[crude oxide]

I'm sure i was much slower on my second playthrough

[teal timber]

Depends on how much they learned on their first playthrough. If they know the fastest route to that spot it's pretty reasonable.

[atomic locust]

I never even saw GW on my first playthrough until arti spawned me there

[teal timber]

(which, entering the Industrial Complex takes two cycles to get to the third level, then there are maybe 4-5 shelters between there and the Garbage Wastes toll)

[crude oxide]

i went to gw on my first playthrough
i was very scared of vultures

[teal timber]

And if they know the route, and have a mercy flower (which they do, they're the Monk) they'll probably be able to pass the IC -> GW gate when they reach it.

[atomic locust]

genocides flower

Survivor Passage on cycle 8 is the achievement of theirs I was the most impressed by

even with the flower

[teal timber]

Oh, true, that means they never lost karma for the entire run

Which, to be fair, they are still the Monk

[grizzled prism]

keep in mind not only is it their second one but it's also as Monk so creatures are a bit less aggressive and it's easier to preserve karma with the death karma flowers

[atomic locust]

it's like one of those intentional knock-off names

@teal timber

[crude oxide]

[modern harness]

lol

[hoary hemlock]

Hey so just to confirm, yall are hunterknowinging both correct and incorrect theories yea

[atomic locust]

ask @silver musk 👻

nice save though

[quick elk]

I personally prefer

[hoary hemlock]

That's a good one!!

[hoary hemlock]

Thanks

[silver musk]

I just any interesting theories no matter correct or not

[hoary hemlock]

Alright good

[tiny glacier]

Night popcorn

[silver musk]

it really does spice up both mine and their experience

[quick elk]

lol I just noticed

[tranquil mulch]

ah so the @fresh atlas's :3 experience

[fresh atlas]

:3 true!

[teal timber]

Yeah, just make sure the reaction doesn't indicate the correctness of the theory

[twin ridge]

#1324586376317898804 message hey <@&1137895527271379055> keep an eye on this please

thank you :33333

[modern harness]

[grizzled prism]

@plain hazel maybe don't start a discussion about Hunter when they still haven't touched it, let them experience it on their own :3

[atomic locust]

oh you were already pinged

[atomic locust]

also that constitutes a massive spoiler

[plain hazel]

Well crap. Sorry about that. X.X

[crude oxide]

#1322956288854065162 message
eggbug customization when
i want ourple eyes

[twin ridge]

#1312451481223430214 message
<@&1137895527271379055> another

[hoary hemlock]

i might have jumped the gun deleting it

Better safe than sorry tho

[twin ridge]

I'm not sure if that was spoilers for that thread but it's definitely unsolicited advice

[silver musk]

they don't have the Downpour role so I can't ping them here

[atomic locust]

I love that my replacing spoilers with [SPOILER] has caught on 😌

it's so goofy

[silver musk]

it was already a culture when I came to fp helpering

[modern harness]

lol

[modern harness]

#1324838779281997824 message foreign language 👻

[twin ridge]

everyone reads that and provides absolutely 0 helpful information ofc

[teal timber]

That amount of ing is relatively helpful information I think.

[twin ridge]

true

[teal timber]

@atomic locust my evidence is the Monk's campaign

The Unfortunate Development Zone is made worse for the Monk; not as an easy-mode punishment, but because making it even harder makes players more likely to find the nice route.

[atomic locust]

the real question... does that actually work

or does it just make monks suffer

[teal timber]

The rot also blocks the obvious pipe in the room with the secret path, making it easier to find the non-obvious one.

[atomic locust]

yeah I do think that part is intentional

I think I went in that route to get to UD in my surv run

and then I did UD 🙂

[crude oxide]

#1322555951626194944 message
experiencing shaded citadel without a lantern

[atomic locust]

surprisingly common

usually they panic more though

[teal timber]

#1311532004055187527 message
Th-

they're right

(They proceed to correctly guess a lot of the lore. Nobody tell 'em.)

[crude oxide]

they do guess a lot. rain world is, in fact, a videogame

[lapis talon]

I did the EXACT SAME THING in the EXACT SAME PLACE with the (probably) EXACT SAME LIZARD in my first play thru lol

[teal timber]

Maybe I should have a Chart™️ entry for karma glyphs

[tiny glacier]

Become grill, ascend

[teal timber]

@tiny glacier Foggy has been to every part of the Exterior except the Wall/Underhang link.

[tiny glacier]

Oh ok

[teal timber]

(they went up the Leg, across the Underhang, through Five Pebbles, and down the Wall)

[tiny glacier]

So they’d be wasting their time

[teal timber]

It's a very useful path to know, though

[tiny glacier]

True

[teal timber]

so

[tiny glacier]

For like Spearmaster

[teal timber]

yeah

Or Artificer.

[tiny glacier]

Oh yeah

[teal timber]

Sorta disappointed they died to the pit, I was hoping they could also encounter the Echo of Nineteen Spades, Endless Reflections

[tiny glacier]

Yeah

Epuld have been cool

[atomic locust]

leech pit/tunnels

@shrewd timber

[shrewd timber]

Iconic

[quick elk]

@glad void hello and welcome to our humble secret base I recommend checking out the pins as they give tons of informations on how to do hints properly, and whenever you have any questions or unsure how to give any hint just ask here

[shrewd timber]

That's a pretty nasty onr

I don't think gobbler has beaten dlc?

[glad void]

i've already been pinged here once because i accidentally soiled something

the secret base has already been revealed

[glad void]

just need gourmand and artificer

not counting inv because no

[shrewd timber]

Artifisher

[atomic locust]

I'm very glad that this secret base wasn't restricted to FP helpers

[modern harness]

Artifisher

[teal timber]

wonder how much of 'em they know

Well, they noticed the Survivor Passage because they call the symbol "Survivor Building"

[quick elk]

@atomic locust @teal timber @shrewd timber what do you think about pasting the symbol images? (Or the FP rooms with 5 karmas)

[shrewd timber]

I was thinking about that actually

[tiny glacier]

I love this place

[shrewd timber]

Wasn't sure if it was too much of a leading question lmao

[teal timber]

Did they notice them?

I'm not sure they did

sooooooooooooo

I'm always fine with pasting them if they are wondering about them, but I don't wanna tell 'em.

[quick elk]

Fair

[shrewd timber]

They took a screenshot

But only went "oooh"

Wasn't sure if resending or pinning it would be a leading hint lol

[teal timber]

Wait no I can't knowing-react the "CPU" box we have no idea what it is

[quick elk]

They are fairly close to literally figuring out FPs story pearl-less
Also I literally didn't notice the "in a way" thing before, that's a really nice catch

[teal timber]

No it wouldn't. Anyways,

[shrewd timber]

Crazy

[quick elk]

[teal timber]

The things new players can guess

No one say anything about Looks to the Moon until the postgame at least, given they're already spoiled to pearls

But Looks to the Moon also helps with that by mentioning Five Pebbles by name.

[tiny glacier]

Did he kill moon?

[shrewd timber]

Depending on if they even make the pilgrimage (rain world reference?) To moon

Don't think so

[glad void]

i think so

they spent a really long time trying to figure out what to do with it

and of course that'll eventually lead to eating the neurons

[teal timber]

Only three, though.

[glad void]

half killed

[tiny glacier]

So they’d have to bring 2 more neurons to talk to moon

[quick elk]

Are we allowed to talk about the presence of neurons? They could naturally lead to discovery of the FP - LttM connection while also possibly leading to the purposed organism part of FP

[atomic locust]

I feel that it's best to leave the lore shenanigans until after the run is over

[quick elk]

If you say so

[modern harness]

A new situation Ive encountered: Person is using mods that have dlc spoilers yet doesnt own the dlc https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1325323758004604969

[dark tiger]

first playthrough
modded
🥹

[teal timber]

I can understand the logic behind QoL stuff but why FCAP

[modern harness]

They have a sizable amoutn of mods too
For a first playthrough

Why

[teal timber]

And No More Rain Timer?

[glad void]

i wonder who else has that

[teal timber]

This is a first playthrough though

[modern harness]

I can only understand qol mods from like, hearing wind of some issues that could be fixed or made easier with mods
But that many mods for a first playthrough

[glad void]

it just hides the rain timer

i like it personally

[dark tiger]

yeah but why would you have that as a new player

[atomic locust]

they should just make a msc thread

it isnt like they'll get spoiled by not looking at the others

[glad void]

is this their like first first run

[modern harness]

All it does for a fper is only make the game unneccesarily harder for no reason

[glad void]

first run as any scug

or do we not know that

[dark tiger]

well they put it as survivor in the first playthrough chat

[modern harness]

I told them too cuz one of the mods had onscreen text that had dlc spoilers

[glad void]

i'm currently on survivor

(also gourmand butg shfsefsjkdls,

[atomic locust]

if the case of people doing a bunch of mods comes up more than a few times we could make a tag for it

I've seen it maybe 2 or 3 times in the new system

[glad void]

are the first playthrough forums No Modded Content™️

[teal timber]

Can't wait for someone who has the Nightguard as their first campaign

[glad void]

if so then that might just encourage people to add 50 million content mods

[teal timber]

eh

I'd rather not

[dark tiger]

Outside of QoL it's generally recommended not to mod the game

[modern harness]

I havent actually seen much of FCAP other than its a fnaf mod

[glad void]

why did i hunterthis react that

[atomic locust]

in the sense that it's like we're encouraging it?

[dark tiger]

Potential for spoilers and changes the game. It makes it difficult for helpers too

[teal timber]

that's about it yeah
it's a separate campaign (the Nightguard)

[dark tiger]

Not rw specific but it's annoying trying to help someone only to realize later that their jssues are due to mods lol

[teal timber]

And it's a fairly complex remake of FNAF's gameplay

[modern harness]

Ill have to look at it later lol

[dark tiger]

Can't wait to add the pearlcat campaign in first playthroughs

[modern harness]

I did actually see someone that had the Pearlcat Pipe™️ in an Arti campaign iirc
Tho I cant remember how long ago it was or if it was in the forums or the old system

[atomic locust]

#1019653041982537879 in a nutshell

they made a whole ping for it even

[dark tiger]

That's funny

[twin ridge]

#1325323758004604969 message
No more Rain timer

I mean there's a lot there

But wtf

[crude oxide]

huuuuh
but why

[modern harness]

Me when five pebbles...

[tiny glacier]

*four pebbles

[strong hemlock]

Three pebbles

[atomic locust]

the way they said that made me think they thought it was a spoiler

I wonder if they've seen the acronym before

[tiny glacier]

C.

[twin ridge]

#1322983568539914432 message
Hold up what the fuck

They got past the guardians without max karma

[modern harness]

Do we tell em the same thing that was said to SHroomie?

Cuz like, they kinda missed everyhting that every single other slugcat kinda needs you to know

[twin ridge]

I think we need to

[modern harness]

Yeahh-

[twin ridge]

We have the 2nd guardian skip!

[modern harness]

Who was doing the ahll of fame thing in here

[twin ridge]

I think this is a sort of rockskip instead

[modern harness]

@teal timber Its a SHroomie all over again (sorta)

Shroomie - Guardian Deloading skip
Wofuu- Getting Tossed Into The Pipe skip

[atomic locust]

🫡

game developers hate this one simple trick

[teal timber]

[atomic locust]

for no particular reason I highly recommend putting a helper application in for all who are interested

within the next... ⏱️
short amount of time

[tiny glacier]

Aren’t there 72 challenges?

[strong hemlock]

I’ve put mine in 😼

[atomic locust]

lets see.. 50 vanilla, 20 MSC, 5 April Fools 2024, 1 Shartwheeling

(there are 70)

[tiny glacier]

Ok

What re the April fools ones?

[atomic locust]

some intentionally impossible ones (I think 3 are possible), you can probably find em by scrolling through #server-announcements

[tiny glacier]

It’s these right?

[atomic locust]

yes

Hope is possible, funnily enough

insanity has been done

catfight is surely impossible within any reasonable metric

anaphylaxis is cheeseable but it's a stretch

[tiny glacier]

As Saint, kill a pink lizard

[atomic locust]

that one is Lost; most people just did it in arena because there isnt technically a "no arena" rule in challenges

[tiny glacier]

Ok

What’s the inv one called?

[atomic locust]

and it had the #foo1ed hex color

Hope for OE, Insanity for the parkour one

[tiny glacier]

Hope is glitchsble right?

And what’s Anaphylaxis?

[atomic locust]

bumping this and moving the above convo to #downpour-server-challenges

[fresh atlas]

[atomic locust]

Apply For First Playthrough Helpers

Please

[tiny glacier]

Where

[twin ridge]

I have

[atomic locust]

in the helper application spot

[tiny glacier]

Where is that?

[twin ridge]

I think the form is linked here

In the pins

[atomic locust]

https://docs.google.com/forms/u/0/d/1COzs0_OJYsJpUzMrPxR0liA2cB_aCA3awquvyJgNooo/viewform?edit_requested=true

[strong hemlock]

I have vro 💔

[twin ridge]

<@&1137895527271379055> i don't have delete perms help #1326067587188129843 message

thank youuuuuuu

[hoary hemlock]

[atomic locust]

hey guiders

how would you feel about some sort of "First Playthrough Mute" role that staff could assign just in case someone shows up that keeps spoiling things after being asked to stop

[teal timber]

uh

I don't think it's super necessary but I don't see why not.

[atomic locust]

yeah just forward-thinking because we have had some issues of this variety before

[dark tiger]

if it can potentially rectify issues i dont see why not

[silver musk]

people like this usually don't hangout in fp posts for long anyways

[atomic locust]

yeah I would only actually create the role if we got a good example

[quick elk]

What's the difference between that and just muting them? I think the cases where a user should be muted in fp chats and only fp chats are extremely rare

[atomic locust]

usually it's from lack of restraint; we also have a gen/misc mute role (that barely gets used) for those who just cant stop posting spoilers

gen/misc is actually pretty much dead but i could see it happening in this case

[tranquil mulch]

it was mostly used when the spoiler profile rules were more strict, yeah?

[atomic locust]

yes, but also for the case I mentioned

I've seen maybe 2 or 3 cases for spoilerposting

[teal timber]

What if gen/misc mute included first-playthrough channels as well?

[tranquil mulch]

that would make the first playthrough mute also apply on gen/misc

[quick elk]

That would make both uses of it also randomly block you from other channels

[teal timber]

(I have no idea how good an idea this actually is)

[tranquil mulch]

genderal is the most active channel, and blocking people from it and only it because they're bad at first playthroughing is a fairly bad idea

[teal timber]

ah true

[quick elk]

btw 23848 did you think of applying for a fphelper?

[teal timber]

briefly

It has been suggested to me many, many times

[quick elk]

Helper apps have been opened again, and I think you would be definitely accepted you seem like one of the most active people in fp threads anyways and there are no responsibilities unlike staff apps

[silver musk]

apply

[atomic locust]

my stance is that there's basically no downsides

[modern harness]

Cycle count peek from the Notetaker

Bets on them getting to FP after Ardo cycle-wise?

Very likely

[teal timber]

[modern harness]

Wonder how long their playthrough is gonna go

[dark tiger]

I should keep giving advice that leads them away from Depths

[modern harness]

lmao

[teal timber]

No, no, with the level of curiosity they have they could easily be a Pilgrim.

[modern harness]

First playthrough pilgrimage....
A couple things would have to happen for them to figure out how to meet the echoes and find them all for it :p

[teal timber]

I expect a notebook page with a 100% accurate explanation of how echoes work within the next 300 or so cycles.

[modern harness]

lmao

I wonder if theyre gonna do a page for every creature
Even dlc ones if they have it

[atomic locust]

I was thinking a leviathan page could be fun

trying to figure out how they look and getting up close and personal

fun chaos

[teal timber]

Including an explanation of the karma requirements and notes on the Subterranean and Wall echoes (they intentionally avoided meeting them so they could test the karma requirements)

[modern harness]

The life of a felper is fun
Go around helping people then we occasionally find that one playthrough thats so entertaining to watch

Theyve left FA, sadge

No echo here lol

[atomic locust]

they'll be back

(if they find pebbles)

[teal timber]

(then it's not a Pilgrimage)

[atomic locust]

have they found any echoes yet?

I wouldnt even start thinkin about it until like 2

[teal timber]

Don't think so.

[modern harness]

As far as Im aware theyve only been to OS, FA, and I think DS

[atomic locust]

im pretty sure they've been to moon

[dark tiger]

Wait what

[atomic locust]

:P

[dark tiger]

185 cycles

[modern harness]

Oh yeah they have lol

[teal timber]

They have been to Looks to the Moon, check pins that's what they're for

[modern harness]

A new friend achievement too

[atomic locust]

I enjoy the dual-purpose pins of documenting for them and ganizing for us

[atomic locust]

well, they did it toriel style

[crude oxide]

not the stolen enlightenment 🥹

[teal timber]

"Toriel style"

[modern harness]

lmao

Kills Toriel
Wait was I not supposed to do that

[dark tiger]

Does this imply savescumming or

[atomic locust]

kill, regret, reload previous save and dont kill

[teal timber]

Cycle abuse, not actual savescumming.

[modern harness]

So OS, IC, GW, SL, FA is where theyve been so far ?
Maybe DS too, idr

[dark tiger]

What's the difference

Oh I guess dying is different than reloading technically

[teal timber]

one is unlore

Also there's a kelp there

Perhaps they'll lineage a cyan or red

[atomic locust]

yeah they keep getting the outskirts kelps

[teal timber]

(or a yellow, they've never seen one before)

[modern harness]

Nothings supposed to spawn there according to the interactive map except with MSC on ?

[atomic locust]

they called the process "evolution" after I said they had stayed there for too long

[atomic locust]

they've had some funky stuff going on and I wouldnt put it past a pole somehow migrating

although I'll check to make sure it's not MSC

I havent seen any hints of MSC yet

ah, scav toll is the way to tell.

[modern harness]

I dont beleive they have MSC? But poles and kelps are really weird when it comes to rooms they appear in
Hehe stolen through the pipes

[atomic locust]

it could also be one of the unlisted spawns that vanilla has

like the extra DLL in pebbles

(the map is just wrong in a few spots)

ah yeah, they're on vanilla.