Old FP Guide Coordination [Archived]

[modern harness]

a-
Sorry was doing school
Looks like it got deleted tho

[silver musk]

Someone nuked it yeah

[modern harness]

Idk if I should do smth more or not regarding Sea just, outright saying things that can be spoilers for new players cuz theyve done this a lot

[silver musk]

How often does it happen?

[modern harness]

Every now and then but its enough that Im kinda worried about it happening more to new players

[teal timber]

Too descriptive

[dark tiger]

Did someone post the map in a first playthroughs chat

[teal timber]

(ping me again if they settle on a more proper name, or use "carpet thing" consistently enough to count)

I feel like we should get some concrete rules about how the Pit Victim Death Counter works

[atomic locust]

first death to the pit = counter 🙂

[teal timber]

Does it count one person falling in multiple times? I would think so. What about people falling in on subsequent visits / other campaigns?

[atomic locust]

falling in multiple times is still one victim

[teal timber]

And does it count if you pass the Pit™️, shelter, and then fall in?

[atomic locust]

I think that still applies... it's pretty common to forget and boost out of the tunnel

[teal timber]

Historically I've always added one per fall, so I feel like it should stay that way for consistency? But I'm not sure, and the definition of a Pit™️ death is still vague.

[atomic locust]

from my pov, people always see the counter and are like "wow, that many people died to the pit??" and so intuitively it comes across as number-of-people rather than number-of-deaths

buuuut this is a really silly thing so there's also value in not having any rules at all and just letting people use it however

[modern harness]

Ive always counted it as per-fall

[silver musk]

I always treated it as people rather than deaths

so one person dying 10 times is still a 1

[dark tiger]

Number of deaths kinda inflates it and makes it feel less impactful

When you realize the number of people that died to the pit it's more funny

[teal timber]

TBH I agree, but, consistency

[dark tiger]

Screw your consistency

Sunk cost fallacy mf!!

[silver musk]

[quick elk]

Sorry for sending the poll 3 times, made lots of mistakes

[silver musk]

Now that I vote for the third time my vote should count thrice as much

[atomic locust]

I'm almost tempted to ping fp helpers here but they get pinged enough

[hoary hemlock]

Question: does it have to be on the first time you meet The Pit?

Like if you're on a first playthrough, go up to the shelter not next to the gate, then backtrack and fall in the pit, would that count?

[quick elk]

I am not really sure tbh.

[atomic locust]

i think it's funnier if those count

[lapis talon]

I think that counts, yeah

(I actually did that once lol, I was climbing and a white lizard jumpscared me and I pressed the wrong keys and fell XD)

[dense seal]

How do I make this jump?

I'm scared I'll die again and wanna make it, I have a spear

[fresh atlas]

i’m assuming you meant to send this to main #downpour-spoilers not the fp thread

[dense seal]

No I need help I haven't played hunter before

[fresh atlas]

theeeen. you should probably be in #1272670046434492426

[dense seal]

I need help tho...

[fresh atlas]

the first playthrough channel is for getting help on your first playthrough

[dense seal]

Then what is this channel for?

[fresh atlas]

this thread is for how to help people on their first playthrough

[dense seal]

(not trying to be mean I'm just confused)

Ohhh okay

Ty

[fresh atlas]

np ! good luck

[silver musk]

@teal timber hand pigeons aka batflies

[twin ridge]

HAND PIGEONS

[silver musk]

Solid snakes

[quick elk]

@zenith tundra hello in case you are new to first playthrough forums, I recommend reading #1270823904247546017 message guidelines, they explain why some stuff should or shouldn't be done

[hoary hemlock]

#1296211751859388527 message new lantern mouse name mayhaps?

[dark tiger]

light dogs

[silver musk]

light dogs

[dark tiger]

it's peak

[atomic locust]

@hoary hemlock I think it would be better not to steer the player towards the intended route quite so directly (I forgor which thread it was but it was someone starting in arti and you guided em to go to FP)

Unless they're super lost (after exploring for a while), I think it's best to just let em figure those things out for themselves

[hoary hemlock]

Fair

I was a bit more direct than usual since they specifically asked for a direction to go

Apologies if I over-did it

[quick elk]

btw when deleting the first message, can yall please also repost the said message so others can see and answer it?

[quick elk]

#1296683814655103046 message @modern harness I think this may be too vague, maybe we should just tell them how downspears are done more directly?

[atomic locust]

#1275033586831196210 message deer pearl room

the horrors

[modern harness]

Probably

[atomic locust]

can we make the first line of the pinned post say "DONT INCLUDE SPOILERS IN YOUR FIRST MESSAGE" in all caps 🥺

[teal timber]

Sure

[tranquil mulch]

@calm sparrow sorry for pinging you for no reason but tbh random pings spice up life and make it more interesting

[calm sparrow]

thanks for the random ping

also sure

do i need to do all caps or can i get away with big text and bold

fuck it, all caps

[atomic locust]

what do you all think of that

(that way any experienced FP helpers that see a missing title can just be like "oh I need to check the pins")

(it would be cool I think)

<@&1137895527271379055> have a ping 🙂

[lavish pilot]

What

This is utterly befuddling me

What do you mean by this

[atomic locust]

when someone says a spoiler in their starting post, it shows for other people

so we have to ask em to delete or delete and repost ourselves

this is a hassle tho, and just deleting it automatically and repost-pinning would be a lot easier

(if they're actively in chat then just asking is fine but I wouldn't bother trying to ping the OP for attention or smth)

[lavish pilot]

Hold on

Do you mean their post title

Or their initial message

[atomic locust]

initial message

we can just edit the title

[lavish pilot]

That is not what your poll says

[atomic locust]

ermm check again

and ignore the (edited)

[lavish pilot]

I’m confused what the policy you want to introduce means

[atomic locust]

I really don't see what's confusing about it tbh

[lavish pilot]

The poll you sent and the explanation you just gave contradict each other

The poll says that we delete and repost

[atomic locust]

the poll is just a yes or no to the proposition 😟

[lavish pilot]

You say that it’s done automatically

[atomic locust]

the proposition being that we delete and repost, then pin the repost

[lavish pilot]

What is this then??

[atomic locust]

the pin is the main new thing that people don't usually do

[lavish pilot]

What do you mean automatically

[atomic locust]

not waiting for the person to spoiler their own stuff

akin to the art gallery policy

because waiting on a person is unreliable and increases work

[lavish pilot]

Ok I think I understand

Yeah that sounds neat

[lavish pilot]

Erm- I kind of buried the poll

[eager ice]

AHHHH OH

that sounds like a good idea

[atomic locust]

I wish there was a ping that just did it for everyone in the thread

not tryna exclude the non-helpers

[icy bison]

I think maybe just hack the OPs account and edit out the spoiler instead

[atomic locust]

true

[teal timber]

@white wave
continuing the conversation from #1291635638403338345 message
In this particular case, we likely shouldn't help them at all with getting up there, since ||there's nothing particularly helpful up there anyways||. If we did, a downspear is probably not the way to do it (there are other good options available), and even if it was we should give them some more time to try stuff before telling them something they don't know

[white wave]

why does this thread exist

[white wave]

ah im trying to be helpful with no spoiler possible, sorry

[teal timber]

Ostensibly for us helpers to figure out what we should tell someone that needs help without filling their thread with spoilers. Also the Chart™️

[white wave]

chart ™️

yea idk becuase i feel that they have been quite frustrated for awhile so i suggested maybe a downspear LOL

but i guess thats a move tech that the game dont teach u outright

[teal timber]

.

[teal timber]

Downspears are definitely one of those things that can be really frustrating if they're the only viable option and people don't know of them, but that's only ever really true on the Wall.

[hoary hemlock]

To be fair the Wall jump has many solutions

Downspearing is the one I know but I also know there are alternatives

[teal timber]

The Sky Islands provide other ways of gaining height, and, besides, there are other paths to take there that will probably offer less resistance - people aren't stuck until they've checked all of their available options.

[white wave]

hm

i guess

[atomic locust]

squidcada lineages in upper chimney 😌

squidcadas are the main thing I'd encourage people to try to figure out for sky islands

[teal timber]

MSC-exclusive grapple worms

[hoary hemlock]

I literally never thought of that
Had no idea anything can even lineage into a squidcada

[atomic locust]

funnily enough it's lizards

lizard->squidcada

only lineages in the game that get unarguably weaker

[hoary hemlock]

Oh damn they do

Lmao

[atomic locust]

it would be cool if monk had those as natural spawns or smth

[hoary hemlock]

Had no idea

[atomic locust]

to play with the idea that they're more fit for the environment and take over when the lizards die

actually that reminds me

@teal timber how do you hint at the fact that squidcadas can be grabbed?

people usually seem to have a big mental block for grabbing creatures and it's hard to get em to figure it out

[silver musk]

I do this #1291635638403338345 message but the person figured another solution

[teal timber]

Sometimes it's what Exanimoso said, emphasis on everything
In this case, though? I'm really not too concerned about whether or not they actually make it up there, given it's a dead end

[atomic locust]

I mooostly mean for the sky islands jumps that people tend to die on over and over

[teal timber]

Yeah, exactly. there's two types of hints for that, I think. The hard one is "try to grab, eat, and throw everything"

[atomic locust]

grab eat and throw the void worm

[teal timber]

The other hint I gravitate towards is "it's almost impossible to make it across the gap by yourself".

[teal timber]

Pick your words carefully based on how obvious you want to make it that it's a creature rather than object.

[atomic locust]

I was thinking I'd be like "certain other creatures seem to be more adapted to the environment, maybe they can help?" if they're suuuuper stuck

still workshopping that one

(that would be after the one you said)

(if they still didn't get it)

[teal timber]

Yeah, that's a good idea. Bonus points if someone tries hitching a ride on a centiwing

[atomic locust]

lizard bridge

lizard bridge

[fickle cobalt]

In my first playthrough, sometimes my strategy for getting past a tough jump (or several) was to let a white lizard grab me and hope it gets into a fight

Not sure how true it is, but from my experience white lizards tend to go further from their den, so they carried me further (and had more time to run into another lizard)

[atomic locust]

works shockingly well on the wall in some spots

[dark tiger]

holding back with every fibre of my being to not mention rwsc in the first playthrough channels

[atomic locust]

mention it. propagandize

-# in moderation

[lapis talon]

So aah what exactly are RWSCs?

[atomic locust]

Rain World Server Challenges- post-game community challenges that give you fancy roles on the server

#challenge-info
#vanilla-server-challenges

[atomic locust]

yay

[dark tiger]

kay.

[atomic locust]

#1272678827734339707 message (psst @calm sparrow my intent was to put it in the actual first line of the message so it pops in the preview)

(so that people end up seeing it when creating their own threads if they dont like to read)

[calm sparrow]

on it

[atomic locust]

@thorn junco it's typically better to be a bit more vague with things like that- saying exactly what the conditions are to use smth like the gate can ruin a bit of the mystery and intrigue

[thorn junco]

What

[atomic locust]

my statement was in reference to someone that asked about a gate with a red symbol and you told them explicitly that it would be accessible in the Gourmand campaign

[feral shale]

can I be in here?
hello @atomic locust you seem to be in here

[atomic locust]

anyone can be in here 👻

[teal timber]

You don't need to be a First Playthrough Helper to be in here

(I'm not, technically)

[feral shale]

well yeah I would imagine it being locked if that was the case
uhhh anyway

[atomic locust]

-# can you lock a thread of an unlocked channel 🤔

-# is that a thing

[feral shale]

kind of I think! I think you need to then ping someone to let them in though?

[feral shale]

yaaaayyyy I'm here now

[quick elk]

Welcome I recommend checking out the #1270823904247546017 message player helping guidelines if you haven't already, they are extremely useful.
If you are ever unsure about some rule or whenever something should or shouldn't be said, feel free to ask here. If you ever need a message to be deleted, or if you don't know how to help and found someone who didn't get an answer in a long time, feel free to ping the @ first Playthrough Helpers role

[feral shale]

hi there you

[lapis talon]

Uhh someone help—

[modern harness]

Hm.

[dark tiger]

I would. Definitely not recommend that

[modern harness]

Dealt with and removed the messages

[lapis talon]

Thanks

I had no idea what to do lmao

[modern harness]

Yeye

We usually dont ever reccomend restarting a playthrough xd

Theres never a reason to

[dark tiger]

Thanks igna

[modern harness]

Yee

[atomic locust]

honestly it is viable if you haven't made any progress but got stuck in drainage or smth 👻

but that's pretty much the only scenario I can think of

[modern harness]

Yea

[lapis talon]

You can always use a backup too, if you rlly want to

[dark tiger]

Most people aren't super savvy when it comes to file editing

[lapis talon]

I mean the backups in the option menu in-game

[teal timber]

That's even more "cheaty" than resetting your save

I mean, the game does give you the option, but I don't think it's meant to be used that way. I think we should only recommend it as a last resort. Possibly even after giving people advice on how to survive in said area.

[shrewd timber]

old first playthrough bingo i made https://bingobaker.com#661a4d78db5f5631

I needed to put this somewhere so it goes here lol

[modern harness]

Epic

[shrewd timber]

igna why are you a fish

[modern harness]

#helper-hotspring-lounge :333

[lapis talon]

This is my result after filling it in:
https://bingobaker.com/#671da628f25cab45
(I don’t have downpour so a lot of them were impossible lol)

[shrewd timber]

yeah a lot of them are dp

[atomic locust]

I actually failed to find the bottom of IC for a long time because I thought pretty much all of the ways to get down were death pits

even some of the obviously-not-deathpit rooms

percieved deathpits denoted by the red line

basically locked myself out of finding GW unknowingly

[lapis talon]

Tbf this kinda gives off “death pit” vibes

[fickle cobalt]

I had locked myself out of finding GW from IC by tricking myself into thinking HI-A18 was a dead end and that the PY entrance was the gate in lower IC I had heard about.

[quick elk]

tbh the only reason I knew this was not a death pit is because Iggy pointed downwards there with the shelter sign

the other two are far more obvious though, you can see creatures going from the supposed "death pits" and also there are poles and shortcuts leading downwards

[tranquil mulch]

there are poles leading downwards
the same is true in many SI rooms with death pits
(except these poles in SI aren't typically easily accessible but ehhh)

[quick elk]

Those poles are clearly for deco there, though, and do not look like they connect two screens due to their placement not seeming like a two-way path

[fossil sapphire]

Hello guys. I think this is the thread where i can ask advice to help people on its first playthrough so...

Is this a right answer?

[grizzled prism]

What campaign? Gourm?

Or Hunter?

[teal timber]

TBH I think that depends on the person. Some people might think it's too much info, some might not.
(it's the Gourmand, https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1284278294514106428)

[fossil sapphire]

Yes its gourmand. I suppose that theyre trying to get the centiwing for the quest. They havent went west yet

[grizzled prism]

You can be bit more straight forward when directing people who have beaten the game at least once as Surv/monk

[grizzled prism]

So imo that sounds okay

[dark tiger]

especially if it's not a story beat or anything

[grizzled prism]

Yea

[dark tiger]

i think it's also fine

[fossil sapphire]

Alr ty!

[atomic locust]

ermm @quick elk

they killed moon; no iggy

I thought the void spawn only really moved directionally in shaded? 🤔

well I guess the bubbles you pop will move in The Direction™️

[teal timber]

Void spawn?

Void spawn are the directions.

The Citadel is the only place where they move freely besides the Depths. But the trapped ones also guide you when freed.

[atomic locust]

yeah that's what I meant by the bubble ones

[quick elk]

There are bubbles in LttM besides the shelter, and touching it will point an direction. Once they are going back, they will naturally find other void spawn that guides them towards Shaded gate

[modern harness]

Me when new Hunterers are about to figure out they cant passage:

[teal timber]

Me when new Hunters are about to learn any of the Hunter's primary drawbacks:

[humble jasper]

"why is the cycle going down"

[teal timber]

The funniest part is when people point out they're, like, on cycle 17, and then proceed to not notice it again for a solid 10+ cycles

There are a ton of different ways you can figure it out and all of them are amazing.

[atomic locust]

I wonder what the longest amount of time someone's survived for on cycle 0 hunter on their first playthrough is

[teal timber]

Someone inside Five Pebbles, probably...

[teal timber]

I sorta wonder if there's anyone out there who never paid attention to the cycle counter, talked to some echoes, ascended, and never found out about the whole terminal illness thing

[atomic locust]

probably quite a few

[teal timber]

The Hunter's Shroomie

[atomic locust]

especially if you count those that waited until the end of MSC to do hunter

but in pure vanilla I bet quite a few did it as well

[teal timber]

(I don't think I've ever seen that happen here? That I can remember.)

[teal timber]

MSC works against this because it warns you about the "countdown" if you have it enabled

[modern harness]

I think its Remix that does that text

For

some reason

[atomic locust]

still MSC's fault

[modern harness]

True ig

[lapis talon]

Yeh, I don’t have MSC but I have Remix and it shows that

On the campaign select screen

[teal timber]

#1291635638403338345 message @sour glacier never assume what players do and do not know unless you have concrete proof, that's how spoilers happen

"Karma" is never named as such in the vanilla game. It is name-dropped in the tutorial on how Passages work in the Remix mod, but not everyone plays with Remix.

#1291635638403338345 message @white wave and please don't mention or allude to pearls giving lore near blind playthroughs that haven't learned of it, for obvious reasons.

[atomic locust]

isn't it called that in the code 👻

[teal timber]

(though, exceptions apply when someone is otherwise done with the game and looking for things to do, but this one is trying very hard to stay blind)

[teal timber]

Yeah. The developers use it too. That doesn't make it canon.

[atomic locust]

well yuh, just being pedantic in that it is technically called that within the vanilla game

[white wave]

Yea this is the one person that wanted as little spoiler as possible orz but welp i accidentally said it

[teal timber]

Assume everyone wants as little spoilers as possible unless they say otherwise. You can fix not saying enough, you can't fix saying too much.

[white wave]

Yeaaa i m just gonna respectfully send emotes and wish them the best

I did give them hint on monk doesnt get lore because thwy were showing signs they wanted lore but then they promptly changed their mind so idk

[dark tiger]

Monk does get lore

[white wave]

Blank pearl

[dark tiger]

They just don't get the coloured pearl dialogue but there's plenty else

[white wave]

Is a thing in vanilla

[dark tiger]

Yes

[white wave]

Oh

[dark tiger]

They still give dialogue

[white wave]

Oh yea i guess item reading is still a thing

But dont (color) pearl give the most lore

[dark tiger]

Items and neurons still give dialogue, five pebbles pearls still give dialogue, and white pearls still give dialogue

[white wave]

Wait so white pearl still exist in monk campaign?

[dark tiger]

I believe so

[white wave]

Yea ok make sense

So the more accurate way is "less" llre

[dark tiger]

Perhaps, but for a new player it's not relevant to mention until after they've finished

[tranquil mulch]

in the Remix mod
wrong

it's vanilla

public override string UpdateInfoText()
{
    if (selectedObject is SimpleButton)
    {
        SimpleButton simpleButton = selectedObject as SimpleButton;
        if (simpleButton.signalText == "EXIT")
        {
            return Translate("Exit to title screen");
        }
        if (simpleButton.signalText == "PASSAGE")
        {
            return Translate("(One time use) Fast travel to any discovered shelter, recovering all karma");
        }
        if (simpleButton.signalText == "CONTINUE")
        {
            return Translate("Continue to the next cycle");
        }
        if (ModManager.Expedition && manager.rainWorld.ExpeditionMode && simpleButton.signalText == "EXPPASSAGE")
        {
            return Translate("Recover all karma and fast travel to any discovered shelter, consumes an earned passage");
        }
    }
    return base.UpdateInfoText();
}

[white wave]

so it could have been called level instead of karma the entire time?

wait

imagine we never figure the word "karma" and have to take bright red pearl "natural urge"

[fickle cobalt]

Bubbleweed = air fruit #1284278294514106428 message (player crafting them with gourmand to explore underwater)

Calls yeeks bunnies later

The List™

[twin ridge]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1302402689333985280
This is the most aggressive enjoying of rain world I've ever seen

[tranquil mulch]

#1302476536238313513 message @quick elk add 1 to the counter

[quick elk]

Added btw anyone can contribute to the counter, just search up "pit counter" and copy-paste it with the according number.

[humble jasper]

pit counter: 100000000

[modern harness]

An organic HLL find

Thats interesting

[atomic locust]

oo, where?

[teal timber]

Looks to the Moon's puppet chamber

[modern harness]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1293725463406972948

[atomic locust]

that's gotta suck for getting Lore™️

although.. if you just sat in the shelter tunnel it would die when the rain comes

and not respawn

[grizzled prism]

@gusty fractal generally we try to avoid giving creature's names as it could spoil their mechanic and such

especially since grapple worms have the mechanic in the name

When helping new players it's important to let them figure out things on their own only give hints if they ask for them or are very very lost

and it's fun to see people come up with their own names for things

also I don't think they spawn in that room at least definitely not in vanilla idk if in msc as well

[tranquil mulch]

MSC makes them spawn in that room for all campaigns.

In Vanilla, it's Hunter-only.

[grizzled prism]

Oh neat

[modern harness]

Watching new players go through the Saint campaign is one of my favorite pleasures
Its so entertaining seeing how they react to the world changes if they arent spoiled

[teal timber]

#1283535390233464833 message Also, yeah, ||one of the jumps is a bit hard for the Saint||

[modern harness]

Just a slight bit 🤏

[atomic locust]

peak first playthrough content

[icy bison]

So true

[modern harness]

Uhm.

WHat do I do.

Someone beat Survivor but they ahd a mod that unlcoked the OE gate

So they got that ending instead of the normal one

[silver musk]

[fresh atlas]

wh. why would you even

[modern harness]

#1303038385438326844 message

[fresh atlas]

a mod??? on a first play through???

[modern harness]

I. dont know what to do

They ahve a couple mods on idk which ones though

One gave them pups

[fresh atlas]

[modern harness]

Another apparently unlocked the gate

[fresh atlas]

oh wait did they use remix

[modern harness]

Idk

[fresh atlas]

but that’s also. in cheats. so i Hope not ??

well. not Remix

but msc

oh nvm they said mods

[dark tiger]

these guys looked up mods without knowing what they meant

[tranquil mulch]

oh just remembered I initially used this name for noodleflies

[teal timber]

[teal timber]

#1288654986816917556 message
@quick elk don't tell them to restart, they don't know about the terminal illness thing yet

[quick elk]

Fair thanks for telling me, hopefully this wording is better

[silver musk]

@teal timber #1291635638403338345 message

[twin ridge]

#1304863357299458148 message
This is the MSC SU toll, right?

[modern harness]

O

Yeah

[hoary hemlock]

#1294294850467795025 message

Idk if "Hamster" refers to the flies or moin herself

[atomic locust]

or... just the lantern mice probably

[hoary hemlock]

Maybe?

Yeah pribably

Just I assumed either neurons or moon because this was after a conversation related to eating the neurons

[atomic locust]

it doesn't make 100% sense but works better than the alternatives I think

[hoary hemlock]

So that threw me off a bit

[atomic locust]

yuh

[atomic locust]

@lavish grove https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1304979362382221406I feel like you'd like this first playthrough thread

lots of ":3"s and violence

[atomic locust]

inv campaign first playthrough

🙂

[modern harness]

:)

[modern harness]

#1288654986816917556 message @teal timber The Chart™️ addition ?

[teal timber]

Added

[modern harness]

[feral shale]

where is this The Chart™️

[tranquil mulch]

check pins

[teal timber]

Check pins

[modern harness]

Check Pins

[feral shale]

already did

that's a nice list

[lapis talon]

Check pins /silly

[tranquil mulch]

pteropede in the chart when 🔥

[teal timber]

Now 🔥

[modern harness]

Pteropede is fire 🔥

[atomic locust]

hey first playthrough people

<@&1305978131852824677>

guess what this secret role is about 🫴

[teal timber]

[atomic locust]

if hypothetically that were a server challenge what do you think it would be about

[twin ridge]

it's a good colour

[silver musk]

||This is for people who just finished their first playthrough and can be given the role as a reward to tell everyone they have the experience. You know when you give a person a star for completed assignment || this is my guess

[lapis talon]

AW COME ON I SHOULD HAVE DOCUMENYED MY 1ST PLAYTHRU HERE

-# PS. What the heck is “Eyestrain”?

[twin ridge]

a very serious and secret thing

[teal timber]

Beating the game, but without eating anything other than batflies and Fruit, not looking at the map, killing Looks to the Moon, and falling in the Pit™️ at least once.

[teal timber]

The run is also invalidated if you

• talk to an echo that must be "primed"
• perform any movement tech other than pounces, backflips, and throwboosting
• obtain the Chieftan, Mother, Nomad, or Friend Passages

[atomic locust]

hmmm you missed one part

you have to end the run by deleting your save at the drainage leech pit shelter

[teal timber]

After killing Looks to the Moon OFC

[atomic locust]

ofc

[feral shale]

but sadly <@&1305978131852824677> can't be a challenge role because all challenge roles are 1 word (I think let me check)
I guess that could be changed but that would be odd

<@&1305976572531965983> sounds more like a challenge (I will now leave)

[atomic locust]

🙂

[feral shale]

haha new challenges

[feral shale]

I'm lurking (I have very little idea of how to help )
these can be very enjoyable to read
-# wonder how long my list will get?

[modern harness]

I have joined every first playthrough thread
Cower in fear from my power /j
-# my channel list has never been longer

[feral shale]

give it time

[modern harness]

I cower for what the Watcher dlc will bring

[feral shale]

oh dear you're right

[lime rover]

do you uze light mode?

[tranquil mulch]

yeah, easier on the eyes

[lime rover]

...

ok man, itz blinding for me

how do you manage?

[dark tiger]

isnt... most UI black on white?

[atomic locust]

propaganda from paper enjoyers

[tranquil mulch]

,,,, true, bloody hell

[teal timber]

It shouldn't be.

[fickle cobalt]

where whirlypede

[twin ridge]

https://discordapp.com/channels/291184728944410624/1302402689333985280/1306433147541393449 FIRST PLAYTHROUGH SHADED ECHO

[feral shale]

[dark tiger]

[modern harness]

[lapis talon]

-# may as well join in

[atomic locust]

@teal timber I dont think this qualifies for The List™️, but someone on their first playthrough is now calling their void spawn "Beef Chicken" and I thought I'd let you know 🫡

possibly the best name anyone has given them ever

[modern harness]

Beef chicken

[twin ridge]

Beek chicken

[modern harness]

[fickle cobalt]

Not my fault funnyname is contagious

[quick elk]

[lapis talon]

BEEF CHICKEN

[late copper]

[humble jasper]

BEEF CHICKEN

[teal timber]

#1302402689333985280 message
Smart little creature

Not really sure how to answer without implying anything, so

[teal timber]

DS for example. The reason the Painage Tunnel exists is probably to teach players the interaction between snails and leeches, but the snails are in a room you'll never go to if you just jump in the water repeatedly. Also James definitely overestimated how much they'd help.

(and it's also possible to get there without understanding the swimming mechanics, which is a separate problem)

[atomic locust]

I'm saying the game should have some more clear tutorials upon request

here's an idea I had- conditional tutorials

say, if you die in one of the leech rooms in lower drainage 5 times in a row, the game will give you a tutorial tip on your next respawn (like with tolls or the shoreline jetfish)

[teal timber]

IMHO they should have moved the shelter to the room with the snails, or something along those lines, so you're forced to interact with them. Also, fixed the readability issues in the actual tunnel so you can always see your character's eyes in the air pockets.

[atomic locust]

alternatively, remove leeches from the game

they're not good

🙏

[teal timber]

What you are suggesting is Loading Screen Tips But Better In Every Way™️

[atomic locust]

yuh

also it could mean that you don't have to push it on the player immediately for the loading tips that already exist

[fickle cobalt]

let me eat the leeches back

[atomic locust]

(I know the vanilla devs hate those)

[teal timber]

Shame 's holograms don't work underwater

(... I think?)

[atomic locust]

hehe that reminds me of a silly idea I had a while back

make the bubble rock food item absorb a leech into it if the leech is holding it when it pops, and then if you eat it you get an extra pip

(alternatively you can take one bite and not finish and the leech will be able to escape, as an easy mode of leech transportation)

[fickle cobalt]

I want to grab the leech right off of me and straight into my teeth

[teal timber]

My other complaint about the game is that there's not enough incentive to actually make you live in a region. Karma gates don't cut it, you usually just camp in one shelter for 2-3 cycles and that's not the fun way to do it.

[teal timber]

You'd be forced to move between shelters more if Fruit took longer to respawn

[atomic locust]

that's more of a world-design thing than something any gimmick could solve methinks

removing gates would probably do a lot for the feel of the game

[fickle cobalt]

The main thing that’s encouraged me to make a temporary home before is passage hunting

[atomic locust]

I actually- on my first playthrough I thought you couldn't use the same shelter twice in a row for a while

that would solve your issue

[teal timber]

The game's food balancing is a bit off in general just because of Late-In-Development-Simple-Fixes-To-Make-The-Game-Easier syndrome (dumping Fruit anywhere that felt too scarce)

[teal timber]

Gates are the only incentive to survive at all, that's why the karma system exists in the first place. Otherwise it's "pick a direction and run".

[atomic locust]

a good way to do food difficulty couldve been to lock food behind combat (centi spawns with no object food)

[teal timber]

No, because then the game is too combat-focused.

[atomic locust]

I wouldn't do it everywhere

[fickle cobalt]

Or leech fishing like the squiddies

[atomic locust]

just in a few select spots, to discourage players

[fickle cobalt]

SL has so much fruit

[atomic locust]

also to teach you that you can actually eat centis 🙏

[teal timber]

The original (and quite good) idea to keep the player moving (while also focusing on survival) is that your primary food source is migratory, therefore you must be as well. Unfortunately, no one actually bothers eating mature batflies when Fruit exists nearby

Originally the developers appear to have assumed the primary objective was survival, and designed the game so that survival requires you to explore due to resource depletion / batfly migration. This isn't the case because it turns out exploration is its own reward anyways.

[fickle cobalt]

If fruit are bat pupa maybe they disappear with the bat flies

[teal timber]

So, the game lacks motivation for the other way around - forcing the player to survive when the primary objective is exploration. The karma system is a very direct way of solving this, but the easiest ways to raise karma are usually kinda boring, and the karma system rarely actually matters.

The karma system does do a good job of solving the problem of survival and exploration often being mutually incompatible goals

(by making it so that you almost never are incentivized to do both at once)

Also the game sorta loses its vision in some of the harder areas IMHO. Places like Sky Islands and Farm Arrays are too linear and shelter-sparse to do anything other than run in a mostly-straight line from shelter to shelter.

[teal timber]

In my modded playthroughs I sorta solve this problem by giving myself more food-points-per-cycle, to ensure that the direct route never has enough food for me and I'm forced to go out of my way to forage in the side paths. That's obviously not a good solution for most players because it makes the game way harder-

[dark tiger]

james manifesting one million bluefruit

[teal timber]

#1302402689333985280 message
First playthrough lizard tame
(don't say too much)

[teal timber]

@strange spear don't spoil lizard taming!

[strange spear]

Oh fuck-

[fickle cobalt]

Considered sending this (with image spoiled saying it was general directions to a path I like)

#1302402689333985280 message cabinet beast ? Actually trying to figure out what’s being referenced

[modern harness]

Moon

[fickle cobalt]

Oh they’re in MC now

[modern harness]

I think

[narrow owl]

Oh God they're going to die to the pit

😭

[fickle cobalt]

oh no

[modern harness]

:)

[fickle cobalt]

hmmm

[teal timber]

Wow, you are quick with these.

I can see the Interactive Map lines though

[fickle cobalt]

do you think it’s a’ight to send

[teal timber]

eh

[fickle cobalt]

same

[teal timber]

The thing with Memory Crypts is the food is right at the end, after the Pit™️

You don't need to eat the centipedes, you sorta just have to assume it will be taken care of somehow, because it will at the last second

[fickle cobalt]

Fair enough

Although I don’t know if they have an extra pip going in, I remember there being 3 fruits? Might be wrong

[teal timber]

@narrow owl found a funny thing recently-

#old-post-fs message

(requires Archives role)

[narrow owl]

What is it?

[teal timber]

Archived conversation, scroll down a bit.

They may have actually nerfed the Painage Tunnel at some point, just not that much

[narrow owl]

Oh wow

That is funny

[atomic locust]

proposal: be more direct about telling players that the void spawn can guide them 🫴

maybe not directly, but something more than "there's something else to follow now"

seems like players usually fail to grasp that and tend to get stuck a bit after moon, and I think being a little more direct when they're feeling lost would help

maybe even just "look around for something new; maybe that's your way forwards?" etc etc

[teal timber]

Yeah we do do that sometimes. It's partly an issue of "is the player likely to find their way to the Leg unassisted anyways" like with https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1302402689333985280

[fickle cobalt]

still a fan of this message #1302402689333985280 message

[teal timber]

yes

[feral shale]

goofy water puppies

(for those who haven't/aren't going to update for forwarding) #1305749699986194442 message

[twin ridge]

https://discordapp.com/channels/291184728944410624/1307544822592307251/1307555744064995388 the rare first echo SI

[modern harness]

Ooo

SI echo, nice

[narrow owl]

there's a small chance for something very funny to happen

the first playthrough echo only ascension

[twin ridge]

true

they haven't been to pebbs

so if they go back to chimney, up wall, back down wall, and through LF...

[tranquil mulch]

That's the sole Echo I missed on my own first playthrough

[tranquil mulch]

I genuinely climbed up The Wall, got the Echo, and climbed down it because I didn't think of a way to get up to UW_H01 on the first playthrough

It's absolutely possible

I had MSC enabled so I did just go to the Underhang, but if it was disabled, I do expect I could have just ascended instead

[silver musk]

@rough arch you shouldn't be giving answers or spoiler anything to a first playthrough person unless asked

please read this channel pins if you intend to help people

#1270823904247546017 message specifically this one

[rough arch]

ok ok yeah my fault.

got carried away

[modern harness]

#1307741739230040125 message skull bird

[narrow owl]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1300641233680601150

yo what do we do for early depths again? I forgor

[teal timber]

I'm currently going with the "treat it like any other obstacle" route - tell them to try stuff, tell them to try going somewhere else once that doesn't work.

It's dependend on how spoiler-sensitive they are

If they're looking at online maps it's possible they think they have to get there now, in which case we should tell them they can't since, y'know, they're only attempting it in the first place because they were spoiled

[feral shale]

oh dear

[teal timber]

(don't do that just yet, though, wait and see)

[twin ridge]

#1307544822592307251 message

No more high karma needed for echoes to get a pebblesless end

[narrow owl]

https://youtu.be/ObWrdYQ_6xY?si=YoKDNgOpHrJxZcL-

Actually no they need two more right?

Because they've only found two

First echo gives a bonus of 2 karma levels

After that it's one per echo

So they're at max karma 8 right now

[twin ridge]

2 more

wall and sub both have 0 requirement

[twin ridge]

https://discordapp.com/channels/291184728944410624/1307544822592307251/1307976953097224203 please

[lean frost]

wawa

[teal timber]

One more ...

[modern harness]

We got first playthrough Pilgrimage possibly going on

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1302476536238313513

[atomic locust]

we should keep a pilgrimage counter once we get 1

[feral shale]

[narrow owl]

iirc there was one a while ago

I would have to look through #old-post-fs to find it though

[twin ridge]

#1307544822592307251 message we were so close

They just had to not figure this out then avoid exterior at all costs

[modern harness]

D:

[fickle cobalt]

Found one

[fickle cobalt]

Pilgrimage passage before FP is still very impressive though

[tranquil mulch]

[fickle cobalt]

my statement stands, gj

I think all my first playthrough echoes were after FP, but I did get the SI one due to me camping out by that one den for so long

[tranquil mulch]

????

why is it in 12 hour format

[twin ridge]

I got only wall and sub after 5P in my first playthrough

[fickle cobalt]

I remember I saw the flash for CC and thought “huh, weird” but I don’t remember if I went back for the echo later

[teal timber]

[teal timber]

Does Shroomie's playthrough count as a Pilgrimage

[teal timber]

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

They're too good at the game

[fickle cobalt]

Blind first playthrough guardian skip gets a category of its own

Infiltrator

Infiltration to match tense of pilgrimage

[teal timber]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eOlmlMA7eLN7x8dKJxrfsum4l7yphKnS6lUNRwrXm8A/edit?gid=0#gid=0&range=I17

They shared the Guardian Breaker role with @stone sierra

[fickle cobalt]

That works too lol

[fickle cobalt]

Just realized this is also a pun because Depths is in filtration

[teal timber]

I would assume Shroomie's strategy doesn't work on the current version without Vanilla Exploits, which I highly doubt first-playthroughers will ever use in the first place

IIRC the pipe after the guardians now straight-up locks itself if you don't have ⊗.

[fickle cobalt]

Does the uhhh flashbang thing still work

[fickle cobalt]

Ah

[feral shale]

ew

[modern harness]

Does it do that without Remix enabled?

[teal timber]

uh

[modern harness]

Ive encountered a few people who dont play with remix on

[fickle cobalt]

Many people, I haven’t seen a lot go into that menu before starting

[teal timber]

Only one way to find out!

[fickle cobalt]

Unless they got DP

[teal timber]

... OK, besides testing it in-game.

[modern harness]

True

Ive only ever seen a few people who show the mod screen without remix on :p

[tranquil mulch]

I did that i just, always check options first thing in a game

[teal timber]

if (!ModManager.MMF /* Remix is off */ || MMF.cfgVanillaExploits.Value /* Vanilla Exploits is on */ || !this.room.game.IsStorySession /* This isn't story mode */ || (this.room.game.session as StoryGameSession).saveState.deathPersistentSaveData.karmaCap >= 9 /* The player has a maximum karma of (at least) 10 */)
{
  // unlock shortcuts
}

[tranquil mulch]

tbh there's pretty much no reason to have it off

[modern harness]

Idk some poeple jsut dont have it on

[teal timber]

It is in fact possible with Remix off

[twin ridge]

I never turned it on till I'd beaten survivor

[modern harness]

Intruiging

[teal timber]

Remix + Vanilla Exploits off also makes Guardians immune to being blinded.

[atomic locust]

I didn't enable it because I didn't know what it was

[fickle cobalt]

I could see a world where a player without remix says “maybe they’re sensing by sight,” goes back to Shaded to grab the things that blind stuff, and uses those

And/or a distraction grub

[teal timber]

Also remember that the blinding thing was already fixed in 1.5, it's just that the developers thought it was funny and only fixed it for the Hunter where it matters

[fickle cobalt]

Ahh interesting

Distraction grubs it is

[teal timber]

... or the train tunnels?

[fickle cobalt]

Wait, they grow there??

How did I never notice

[teal timber]

Yeah! In the part where the scissor kiwis are

[fickle cobalt]

Well I’ve only been to that section about once, maybe twice, so I guess that’d explain it

Eastern Sub is probably the area I’ve spent the least time in

[teal timber]

I know e v e r y t h i n g about the vanilla map

There's a conveniently-positioned patch directly right of the bit where you climb over a train with really intense lighting. MSC adds gooieducks there

(and there's a pipe below leading, IIRC, right to the Filtration System)

[fickle cobalt]

(I’ve only witnessed the leviathan lake in an expedition I peeked into, I think before I finished Monk(?), and quickly failed, then I think briefly in riv)

[teal timber]

(I do not have any map open right now, online or otherwise )

[fickle cobalt]

[teal timber]

[teal timber]

[fickle cobalt]

I do recognize that filtration area now from when I killed the guardian in Riv, I was searching for a bat

Your brain map skills are truly S tier

[teal timber]

(go right from either of the rooms pictured to reach the Leviathan Cave - top path goes to the left side, bottom path goes to the right side IIRC)

[fickle cobalt]

checks out

[teal timber]

(Bottom path is nice and has a shelter and a pearl with the Filtration System blueprints - if the scavengers don't get to it first. Top path is full of scissors and has nothing but an unlock token which you need to enter from the other side to get anyways.)

Wait, no, not nothing. I think there's some water popcorn in the one nice part?

[fickle cobalt]

[teal timber]

The right side of the Leviathan Cave also has a pipe leading to a modded region. The MSC map won't tell you that, and I don't believe Alduris's maps cover the vanilla regions' expansions, so you'll have to take my word for it

[teal timber]

[modern harness]

What is the 1 Treatment

[teal timber]

Actually true, I need to know it's kind of important

[fickle cobalt]

found the original image which goes further down… pick your method of ascension

[teal timber]

[modern harness]

Ah yes The Sludge sounds interesting

[fickle cobalt]

Secret ascension method to be revealed in The Watcher™

[quick elk]

Doesn't Region Lease cover the modded connections in vanilla maps though?

[teal timber]

true

And the Mods Wiki has maps of the vanilla regions, I think? Just not interactive ones.

[grizzled prism]

how do i indirectly hint at the metropolis gate when the person is exploring FP region for the first time
i don’t wanna stop them but i’d imagine they won’t be too happy to find out that’s not where artis goal is (they’ve just talked to pebs)

[silver musk]

Maybe ask them to pay attention to whatever fp says?

I'm sure he hints at the city and you can see the city from top of the wall

[modern harness]

Yea

I forget the exact dialogue but he tells you to take a visit to his city and the entrance is nearby iirc

[grizzled prism]

[teal timber]

I would encourage you to return home to your city and pay them a visit.

[atomic locust]

@severe pendant avoid spoiling the surv/monk DLC endings' existence please 🥺
(particularly because that's the vanilla channel)

[severe pendant]

Even that?

Ok

[atomic locust]

the <@&1064829582533984337> is the primary reason

[severe pendant]

Ok

[daring depot]

guess im following this thread now

[atomic locust]

welcome to this thread now

it's a good thread

[feral shale]

true

[modern harness]

Intriguing, someone who doesnt know of Arti's relationship with scavengers https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1309976753955147788

[atomic locust]

hey first playthroughers, can I see your channel lists 🥺

[narrow owl]

holy shit this person b-lined drainage and CC in separate runs https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1300641233680601150

😭

being an early DS and CC victim at the same time is crazy

[atomic locust]

in my first run I managed to do early DS, CC, and FA 🙏

(all from outskirts and then I went back to outskirts after getting stuck there)

was over half of my run, I bet

[narrow owl]

Jesus Christ

[teal timber]

Is Within Time MSC-exclusive?

[modern harness]

Yea

As far as I remember all achievementz regarding Hunter are MSC added

[teal timber]

ah

lame

[tranquil mulch]

No

It was added in 1.9, but doesn't require MSC.

[teal timber]

oh huh

[modern harness]

So is it vanilla or not
Like do you need to have the dlc to get it

[teal timber]

OK, just checked the code, it's vanilla

[modern harness]

Ah yes the 3 tiers of achievements

Vanilla
MSC
Vanilla But Recently Added

[tranquil mulch]

Passages RWSC requires the Hunter achievements

[modern harness]

Yayy

The other one is Helping Hand iirc

The delivery

[teal timber]

OH right that's the Hunter.

[modern harness]

I still dontget why you get it for going to FP with it
Thats not the goal of where its going xd

[teal timber]

you what

[grizzled prism]

i guess you do help someone which is more than what an average rainworld creature especially with a deadly uncurable sickness would do

not as significantly but a nice gesture nevertheless

[modern harness]

True but still

[atomic locust]

🥺

[modern harness]

Gimme a minute

[humble jasper]

😭

[silver musk]

You have the whole server under your playthrough forums 💀

[teal timber]

wow

I am not nearly as active

[grizzled prism]

I'm on a break so it's a bad representation rn

[silver musk]

🤏

[grizzled prism]

-# 🤏

[silver musk]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1291635638403338345 I do recommend this thread. One of my favorites to follow

[grizzled prism]

hm I have half of it read but didnt follow

[silver musk]

There's also an ongoing server challenges propaganda

[grizzled prism]

good

[silver musk]

They wanted to try Broadcast

[grizzled prism]

[modern harness]

Yeah-
Ive joined every forum xd
I dont like having things left unread and I like helping lol

[twin ridge]

i know far more about vanilla than msc and it shows XD

[teal timber]

@glad void don't tell them how to get the Friend, they might not know

[teal timber]

@twin ridge the Mother Passage is also a spoiler

[twin ridge]

Huhh

Ohh gourmand locked

Is it a hidden achievement

[teal timber]

All Downpour-exclusive achivements are hidden

[twin ridge]

Huh

[tranquil mulch]

In fact, all achievements other than the 10 vanilla passages are hidden.

[twin ridge]

https://discordapp.com/channels/291184728944410624/1291635638403338345
just entered sub from LF with one more echo needed
did not pick up the final echo

[feral shale]

[teal timber]

You're cropping out the "invisibility" part. There is a difference

[feral shale]

oooooh the list is very long

[teal timber]

It's been growing for over two years now.

[feral shale]

very nice

[white wave]

oh what even is the nickname list for lmao

usable name to not spoil them directly?

or identifying funny nicknames when new players name stuff without looking them up/spoiled?

[glad void]

i think so

[quick elk]

When a new player names a creature and the name is not on the list, it is added to the list

[white wave]

LMAO

[tranquil mulch]

the question was what is it for

[teal timber]

It was theoretically a translation key for when multiple active players were using different names for things IIRC.

Several different players made their versions (I think the oldest one is #old-lttm-to-fp message) and then I started combining them together into the Big List™️

[teal timber]

(which has been reposted several times to survive channel reorganizations and such)

[teal timber]

@glossy rose #1307544822592307251 message please don't tell new players about the lizard taming mechanic

(IDK if they knew or not beforehand, but that's a spoiler)

[glossy rose]

it was an accident, but he doesnt have the reaction of "wait you can tame them!!??" so ig he knew it already

[atomic locust]

seems like they did know in this case, a message search revealed #1307544822592307251 message

[teal timber]

OK, just be careful what you mention in first-playthrough threads

[glossy rose]

Sure

[atomic locust]

a good rule of thumb is that the player should always have the choice to see new info

im happy with how the first playthrough helping guide post turned out 🙂

[modern harness]

Someone used the cheats to unlock all scugs and they havent beaten the game yet

[atomic locust]

eh, they'll figure out why that is a bad idea if they try to play spearmaster or smth 🙂

[modern harness]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1312480434202087544

[atomic locust]

@modern harness I think you're being a bit harsh on em 🥺

[modern harness]

xd

Sorry

Im very intent on people playing the game the intented way with unlocks xd

I dont want em to end up quitting because they wanted to jump around and do things out of order

[atomic locust]

being told off by 3 people on a server for the way you played a game can also cause them to not want to play the game though 😔
gotta strike a balance

[modern harness]

Yeaa xd

h

[fickle cobalt]

@teal timber you might be interested in this Reddit post (what their little brother called creatures while playing) https://www.reddit.com/r/rainworld/comments/1gef7y2/comment/lu9s8vh/

Images in the post (Cyans were also “Washers”)

[dark tiger]

DARKSTAR 🔥

[fickle cobalt]

TRUE that one is unironically fire

[dark tiger]

the centipedes beeing called cockroach is

interesting

[fickle cobalt]

I mean, I used to call baby centipedes that

[modern harness]

KSI

lmao

[glossy rose]

KSI

🔥

[lapis talon]

Those things really DO sound like washing machines XD

[white wave]

cockroach

[glad void]

[white wave]

sounds right to me, the small centi DOES look like cockroach

i call eggbug walking pantry

[modern harness]

lol, said the scorpion. lmao

[modern harness]

I lost a Hunter run to The Child

They were on my back and I got launched on a negative cycle

[grizzled prism]

[teal timber]

Is that some sort of MSC bug?

OH

from the Guardians, of course

[grizzled prism]

[modern harness]

Yeah

I forgor cuz I was streaming to a friend and I immediately died upon landing 😭

[grizzled prism]

damn those kids

[dark tiger]

That's actually so tragic

[modern harness]

I didnt even get a chance to recover cuz I just died lol
Negative cycles rlly make you weak huh

[teal timber]

FA -> SB is level 4. Place your bets now...

[teal timber]

@twin ridge don't call them iterators

Five Pebbles is Santa

[twin ridge]

oh, true

👍

(do pearls ever call them iterators?)

[teal timber]

Oh absolutely. Including the Sliver of Straw one.

[twin ridge]

ah, true

[teal timber]

#1313255059240521850 message
What do y'all think of slowly replicating the entire ARG in Foggy's thread as they play each campaign

It would be kinda neat

And more fun than simply directing them to wherever the riddles thread is now.

[twin ridge]

that would be incredibly peak

[teal timber]

The secret campaign isn't as fun to find as it was when it was more secret. We can revive it with unspoiled #1272670046434492426 regulars like Foggy

First idea: we already have a good message-search keyword for when they do decide to try and find it. We can hide the riddles in or near messages with said keyword

Actually, do not say it in this thread, because then it's not as good of a message-search keyword.

(#1313255059240521850 message)

[teal timber]

Adding these now. Why is a lizard "bird" but the actual bird is a "spider cow"
("bird" is sadly a conflict with the actual bird)

[teal timber]

@crude oxide do not tell them about the GW dumpings

that's a big lore spoiler

(for many reasons)

(they still don't know what the Rot is at all, or even that it's called that)

[crude oxide]

they've already played hunter and encountered it

[teal timber]

Yes, but they don't know the lore behind it.

Or what it's called

[teal timber]

They still don't know what an iterator is, they think santa just lives there and they're unsure of their real name

so don't tell them any lore

[tranquil mulch]

https://rainworld.miraheze.org/wiki/Orange_Luminescent_Mold the initial name of the Slide Mold wiki page is so literal

[modern harness]

luminescent

mmyes

[icy bison]

Orange

[feral shale]

[teal timber]

#1313508154306330725 message

[atomic locust]

they should throw it lots and lots in upper chimney to make sure to know when the birds are coming

[teal timber]

I wonder how long it's going to take them to notice.

[feral shale]

poor user

[teal timber]

Telling Foggy that the Scholar role is about colored pearls is a hint as to what colored pearls do. What do y'all think?

ah nevermind, that won't work anymore

[atomic locust]

theyve done a whole first playthrough, yeah?
I dont see the harm as long as it isnt on someone's surv/monk run

[teal timber]

eh yeah...

They're trying to play as blind as possible.

but, also, they need to learn this before playing the Spearmaster's campaign

[silver musk]

they figured out almost the whole thing

[modern harness]

Yeahh

Best its done like, now before they get stuck on that little requirement later :p

[twin ridge]

oop sorry ping

[atomic locust]

ping good

ping MORE

[twin ridge]

@atomic locust

[atomic locust]

here watch ill show you ping power 🫴

uhhhh

<@&981421790339403807> <@&1064829582533984337> <@&981423951026729000> <@&1295803524462149695> <@&985976746169995274>

now more people are here 🙂

[silver musk]

rawr!

[atomic locust]

hop on first playthroughs

[frigid nest]

hey

[open surge]

DANGIT

[atomic locust]

tenor'd

[frigid nest]

i will not be first playthroughing no

[twin ridge]

XD

you summoned them

[silver musk]

sorry I had my first one years ago

[atomic locust]

https://tenor.com/view/tuesday-morning-good-tuesday-morning-gif-18175846164884804853

[patent rivet]

Who Hath Summon’d me into this Thread

[twin ridge]

kalum

[frigid nest]

why is this an msc spoilers thread

[dark tiger]

Easier than making one unique for vanilla and msc

I assume

[grizzled prism]

If only my ping notifs werent broken

[teal timber]

Where else to put it?

[atomic locust]

well we tried putting it in #1272670046434492426 itself first but realized that people would assume it's the Quick Help thread

that option could still be viable if you had a name that people wouldnt immediately gravitate towards

[twin ridge]

@teal timber I assume it gives you max rep for this challenge to make the taming process a little easier, it is basically a tutorial

[lean frost]

wawa

[teal timber]

Foggy's last failed Hunter attempt ended in central Underhang right

[silver musk]

I just wanted to ask that

can't wait lmao

[teal timber]

I think so

not sure

[silver musk]

might be chimney as well

[atomic locust]

@modern harness what are you tryna hint them at

[modern harness]

We're tryna have them figure out the way to tell if an echo is around an area without it being active and doing the whole effect thing

[atomic locust]

the thing where the screen turns blue for a moment? 🤨

[modern harness]

Im thinking of the symbol

Theres always one around at all times near it

[atomic locust]

ah.

[grizzled prism]

yea and it would be cool if they notice it

[atomic locust]

not a requirement or anything tho

here's a set of hints I've got for that (made just now)

hint™️: ||you might not be the only one to have noticed them||
Bigger Hint™️: ||perhaps there's some evidence of a previous encounter 🫴||

[modern harness]

oo

I do think noticing the symbol does make it easier for new players to find them tho

[atomic locust]

you don't need to find em all though

arti alt ending being the exception

[grizzled prism]

well they will eventually get to saint

[atomic locust]

they're automatically active for saint, no issues with finding em :P

[grizzled prism]

ah fair but knowing their previous locations can help

idk I just wanna hear what they think of them really :3

like the symbols

[atomic locust]

hands off is best unless they're strigglin

those hints I made are probably decent if you want them to notice though

[modern harness]

How

This is the sevond time they guessed something right but think its wrong

"BLL cant be rot"
"Scavengers cant see echoes"
Im distraught and I want to correct but I cant

[grizzled prism]

[feral shale]

why are you making such big assumptions about what something can and can't be, do, or know? have you not been proven wrong before? why are you closing your mind off? open it to all that this world holds! at least you're kind of close

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1313950269259644959 me to scared to try and say anything

[atomic locust]

@teal timber no passages is Enlightenment

[teal timber]

ah

[teal timber]

#1311532004055187527 message
is it like

a picture of a pearl and a neuron

or

[glad void]

#1311532004055187527 message i have no idea how to hint to listening to the danger music without directly giving it away

or just going a different way

“there seem to be many entrances to the room you want to go to” or “audio cues come before visual cues” might be too big of a hint

nevermind

[twin ridge]

@silver musk https://discordapp.com/channels/291184728944410624/1313255059240521850/1314144024122359808 when are we going to tell him about DS->SB

[silver musk]

Never

[twin ridge]

once it's rwsc time and there's no more spoilers

[grizzled prism]

He’s figuring it out actually, we won’t need to tell him

[twin ridge]

yea with a bit of encouragement

didn't have to just tell him though, so that's good

[grizzled prism]

[twin ridge]

(did anyone ever actually tell him what to do for flytrap )

[silver musk]

He didn't figure out Flytrap requirements yet and no one told it yet

[twin ridge]

one day

[teal timber]

When he finds it

[teal timber]

@frail mountain don't tell them where to go

[frail mountain]

Whoops

[modern harness]

I think someone is playing jolly coop Rivulet in a Monk campaign and is posting their vids in the vanilla forums

I deleted them both already but I swear I could faintly see Rivulets gills on the cat
Either way the cat was way too fast to be Monk

[feral shale]

why... would you do that?

[atomic locust]

a shockingly high number of people do

I've seen a spearmaster in one of the vanilla campaigns as well methinks

[modern harness]

Imo when youre starting the game you should 100% play either Monk or Survivor so you can properly learn the game without any bias from the character selection
Otherwise using someone like Rivulet will just make it harder when youre forced to use someone else

[silver musk]

There's no right way to play a single player game. Only the intended way. If you wanna mod your game to oblivion and tp straight to the end it's up to you as long as you have fun lol

I can see the issue tho

[crude oxide]

because moving as rivulet is inherently fun
tho i personally prefer rivulet's versions of regions and wouldn't play as riv in vanilla campaigns

[atomic locust]

animoso's wisdom prevails

[atomic locust]

hear me out
tag for spoiler status of a playthrough

I think it would be hard to do right

but like, something to indicate that a player has seen every daszombes lore video and watched all of the skurry playthroughs could be helpful

[teal timber]

ehhhhhhhhh

[atomic locust]

glaring issue is that people always assume they're more spoiled than they really are

[tranquil mulch]

someone who has watched a Daszombes lore video knows less about RW lore than someone who just launched the game blind 3 seconds ago /silly

[silver musk]

why? Isn't it just safer to assume they don't know anything?

[atomic locust]

you would never assume they know one specific thing ofc, but I think it's generally useful to understand what might be guiding their actions and such 🤔

it can really throw off the Helpering™️ if you're trying to hint at them that overseers might be trying to tell you something and then they start going off about pebbles 👻

I don't feel strongly about it, just something to think about

[teal timber]

#1313255059240521850 message
Remind me to mention this to them later.

[grizzled prism]

eh we can't tell how much they remember
and it's just a single question like "have you seen any gameplay/lore"

if anything putting the tag there could make new people think more of what they saw and remember things

making them not think on their own

[fickle cobalt]

Before my first playthrough I saw a ~10 second clip of someone jumping around chucking a spear at pebbs and getting brain blasted, titled “boss battle” or something. Until I left outskirts I thought Iterators were like, gate guards, and you had to fight them to get to the next region

I also saw part of a video, which mentioned the void sea while showing a clip of someone diving into the ocean in SL. I thought SL was the end of the game

I was a lot less spoiled than I thought

[teal timber]

[fickle cobalt]

Maybe the clip included going through the wall gate, and that’s where the gate connection came in…

[worldly ether]

Hello

[atomic locust]

👋

[worldly ether]

Random thing I noticed

This was a while ago, but. New survivor player mentions a large amount of “red lizards” and everyone assumes they’re referring to a which they very clearly would not be able to encounter at the time

[atomic locust]

the bright side is that the players will just assume they're talking about the same thing and not really feel spoiled 🙂

[worldly ether]

True

[modern harness]

Ive seen several people mention a red lizard which is just a particularly red pink lizard

Then I have to hope someone else doesnt come in and inadvertently spoil them about it xd

The funnest part is ther can be some pretty pink red lizards

[feral shale]

[narrow owl]

99 pings jesus

[worldly ether]

What?

[worldly ether]

Oh. Yeah

[atomic locust]

@modern harness ravine pearl has to be like, an 8, right? 🤔

ravine and filt seem pretty similarly awful

[tranquil mulch]

what's bad about filt? scavs stealing it?

wait what is 8

[atomic locust]

lighting makes it difficult to distinguish from surrounding blank pearls and the average player may simply pass it up

[atomic locust]

player asking how hard the hardest pearl is to find

[tranquil mulch]

ah, find

[modern harness]

Yeah Ravine pearl is pretty sucky

[atomic locust]

I actually got ravine pearl bc I cleared the pit by diving as far as I could

didn't bring it to moon

but I did find it

[modern harness]

I was also thinking of like, that long FA room cuz its such a chore to get to and recover every attempt

[atomic locust]

deer pearl is also very tough yes

[quick elk]

imo the hardest pearl was Shoreline one near Shaded gate, it is on a screen you completely dont expect it to be, doesnt shine, is fully covered by deco, and in a region with 2 other extremely easy pearls so you dont expect a third one

[atomic locust]

they know what deer pearl is though

so that makes it easier

[modern harness]

True but still lol

Ravine especially suvks cuz its a one way room so you have to go the long route to get it

[tranquil mulch]

the Deer Pearl is harder to get than find

[grizzled prism]

#1313933668875501578 message figured out karma caching on their own

[atomic locust]

@teal timber filt and ravine pearls

both super tough

lots of people still pass up filt pearl due to it looking similar to a regular pearl in the lighting

and that area is also generally just a pain to get to

[teal timber]

Ravine pearl is tough for sure, mostly because you can't really check there easily at all. The Filtration System pearl was one of the first ones I ever read, I'm biased

[modern harness]

The terraced hills hint makes them look around one area thats way too enclosed for how youre actully getting to the pearl how does this help them

[teal timber]

I want them to take the chute up

[modern harness]

You, cant take the chute up

[teal timber]

yes you can, MSC is off remember

[modern harness]

What does that ahve to do with that