Old FP Guide Coordination [Archived]

[calm sparrow]

This thread is NOT FOR RECEIVING HELP WITH YOUR FIRST PLAYTHROUGH - instead it's for people who have already beat the game, and want to know how best to help out others without spoiling too much!

[dusty kernel]

[upper sky]

ooh! amazing

quite delicious thread

[calm sparrow]

<@&1137895527271379055> @onyx night @hoary hemlock @late copper

[hoary hemlock]

mmm yummy thread

[crisp mist]

[hoary hemlock]

(definitely didn't think i got pinged about getting fphelper )

[onyx night]

why ping me

[hoary hemlock]

(i didn't even apply what was i htinking)

[calm sparrow]

-# all of this getting rearranged is not scuffed at all I PROMISE

[atomic locust]

so real

[onyx night]

aah

[calm sparrow]

you were active in the first playthrough dungeon thread

figured you would want to know about moving/re-moving

[astral kraken]

so true

[hoary hemlock]

i should apply for fphelper actually

[calm sparrow]

https://tinyurl.com/rw-helper-application

[atomic locust]

if we make a full first playthrough category this should just be a channel imo

[eager ice]

AHHHHH OH

[atomic locust]

thread works though

[astral kraken]

so are there gonna be two or is it gonna be only in msc spoilers now?

[atomic locust]

especially For Now

[calm sparrow]

and then this has to move AGAIN

[atomic locust]

just one in msc works I think

[calm sparrow]

just msc spoileres

i locked the other one

[astral kraken]

I think until the category is made it can stay as a thread

[hoary hemlock]

[eager ice]

ye, it tackles the same material regardless for now !!!

[calm sparrow]

tbh you can just ignore this lol

[hoary hemlock]

then why's it here /genq

[astral kraken]

I took that as a warning to not spam apps

[hoary hemlock]

is it for people who apply for everything at once for the hell of it

[atomic locust]

wait that's a THING?!?

[calm sparrow]

if you've applied for a different helper role and we see multiple, you'll receive one and we'll come back to the other one later. also yeah to deter from spamming apps

[astral kraken]

like 5 apps for every helper role in one day

or is there 6

[atomic locust]

I should apply for first playthrough helpers

[dark tiger]

Time to be a gameplay harmer

[atomic locust]

First Playthrough Hurter role when

[dark tiger]

Oh that message leveled me up

[calm sparrow]

you can just self-assign the role if you want to opt into the pigns

[atomic locust]

it's a sign

[astral kraken]

bruh I was about to send that

[hoary hemlock]

goes into firstp chat
explains what the story is in agonizing detail
leaves
gets banned

[dark tiger]

send zipbomb
leave

[astral kraken]

"can anybody help me?"
"no"

[calm sparrow]

eight

[astral kraken]

ok but Helpers doesnt count

[dark tiger]

"if you die to lizards enough they'll take pity on you and stop attacking"

[atomic locust]

ow wow that's big

[tranquil mulch]

chalvers

[dark tiger]

"always grab poles that occasionally flare up with spines"

[astral kraken]

this makes it 8

[hoary hemlock]

"can anybody hurt my first experience?" gameplay hurters:

[calm sparrow]

TRUE ok so yeah pretend Helpers is substituting for Chalvers because of the naming

[tranquil mulch]

i applied for beemo helpers, will my application be reviewed

[calm sparrow]

i just searched up "helpers" in the role menu i was too lazy to scroll

[astral kraken]

smh should rename to chall helper

[hoary hemlock]

wouldn't call dq'ing usurper a whole lot of helpful /silly

[astral kraken]

whats dq /genq

[atomic locust]

Challenge Hurters invalidate pers runs for Monk Extended Breath

[hoary hemlock]

disqualify

[tranquil mulch]

let's go gambling (submitting Usurper)!

[astral kraken]

ahh

[hoary hemlock]

dq aw dang it
dq aw dang it
dq aw dang it
dq aw da

[icy bison]

Can we move the thread again please. For no reason just because it would be really funny

[tranquil mulch]

i think it should be in #downpour-meme-discussion

[atomic locust]

Player Helping Guidelines

---

1. Avoid giving the player information that has not been asked for, particularly if it is something that the player could find enjoyment in discovering for themselves.

• Non-intuitive information (such as ||swimming mechanics|| or ||downspears||) can be more freely given to the player to help them avoid frustration.
• If the player is clearly stuck, information in the form of hints is helpful and sometimes needed, but it should be something the player chooses to view.

2. Avoid guiding the player with the specific intent of pushing them towards or away from a particular route/choice! There is no "Right Way" to play Rain World.

• The uniqueness of each first playthrough is part of what can make them so special, and trying to push the player into a narrow range of decisions can be harmful to that.
• One particularly common instance of this is ||Eating the neurons in LTTM.|| Although it can be tempting to guide players towards a particular choice in this case, not interfering with the player's decisions or implying a correct choice is the right thing to do.

3. The enjoyment of the player should take priority over any other guidelines.

• If a player is considering giving up due to a struggle they are having, then relaxing on spoilers and giving more direct advice is better than trying to keep to strict rules and causing them to quit the game entirely.
• This can apply in reverse as well! If the player is in a good flow, guidance and information is not needed and can do more harm than good.

[hoary hemlock]

move it into genderal for the funny

[atomic locust]

just migrating a pin

[hoary hemlock]

(but still progibit spoilers)

[astral kraken]

from what I read wouldn't reviewing usurper also be gambling

[icy bison]

Yea no talking about rain world in the chat about helping people play rain world

[hoary hemlock]

what do you mean?

do people send zip bombs as usurper submissions?

[icy bison]

Only me

[astral kraken]

I guess its not really gambling

[astral kraken]

more of a will this submission be verifiable

[tranquil mulch]

@atomic locust has a handy Usurper reviewing tool that has been adopted as standard practice:

[hoary hemlock]

wait you seriously use a wheel to decide usurper dq

[icy bison]

They do I'm the wheel

[calm sparrow]

NO

[atomic locust]

naw it's just a funny

[hoary hemlock]

listen i am not a smart woman

[atomic locust]

the joke exists because like 30% of usurper submissions are invalidated

[hoary hemlock]

i do not pick up jokes very easily

[atomic locust]

and it's super subjective and hard to verify

[hoary hemlock]

i genuinely thought yall flip a coin when unsure

[calm sparrow]

valid apologies

[tranquil mulch]

the genuine percentage of invalidated Usurpers is around 25%

[hoary hemlock]

arti unyoy???

[tranquil mulch]

oh nvm

[icy bison]

Yea just remove usurper at this point tbh /j

[tranquil mulch]

I took a measurement from about a month ago and it was 24/89 , or ~27%

[atomic locust]

I have genuinely considered putting forwards the idea of replacing it

[calm sparrow]

[astral kraken]

just replace it with gambling

[atomic locust]

once we hit Challenge Cap we can kill it maybe >:)

anyways uhhh first playthrough

[astral kraken]

wdym challenge cap

[icy bison]

When are we getting saintYOY

[calm sparrow]

[atomic locust]

there are a limited number of roles, and making infinite challenges seems like a bad idea

so we have to stop eventually

[icy bison]

🤯

[astral kraken]

wdym there wont ever be 9999+ official server challs

[tranquil mulch]

scream at Discord to increase the role cap

[astral kraken]

ah yea roles

[tranquil mulch]

oh and also scream at them to increase the automod filters cap

[icy bison]

There will be a 2nd server JUST for challenge roles

[astral kraken]

just gonna scream at them, they'll know

Chall server

[tranquil mulch]

randomly generated challenges when

[atomic locust]

@Weedeater

[astral kraken]

expedition

[tranquil mulch]

how about a gamemode where you select a Slugcat, get an assortement of 2 to 5 challenges depending on your choice and ,, 🥬🐌

[icy bison]

When are we getting a challenge where you need to kill every creature in a region within 1 successful cycle

[atomic locust]

when are we First Playthrough

[icy bison]

NOW

[astral kraken]

I do have one more first playthrough to do myself

[calm sparrow]

when someone successfully completes the clownlaw or post knox challenges

[quick elk]

What is post knox?

[silver musk]

challenge helpers when?

[calm sparrow]

survive till cycle 0 without killing anything. then do ranger in negative cycles and end the run in any way

[calm sparrow]

idk

is it an actual suggestion

[silver musk]

Not really probably... it would be like a year ago but now people are used to chalvers me included

[calm sparrow]

yeah

[silver musk]

It was Challenge helpers role at the beginning but got renamed for some reason

[calm sparrow]

it was?!

that had to have been when it was like JUST timby

i don't remember ever seeing that

[hoary hemlock]

any way means dying allowed right?

[calm sparrow]

yeah

[late copper]

is it just me or have more people been appearing in first playthroughs since the change

[atomic locust]

I couldn't say for sure, but it seems to be the case

accessibility ✨

[late copper]

I sense a pilgrimage run in https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1270366261221527605

[teal timber]

Sadly they're trying to do pathing in the Exterior right now

and they just found a gate so

[late copper]

They were so close to getting the shaded echo too

The echo flakes show up in the first MC room

[teal timber]

I think most people are at some point

It's an easy echo to just barely miss if you're good at surviving in the Citadel.

[late copper]

Yeah

[hoary hemlock]

i went directly straight RIGHT the hell out of shitadel

"nah don't worry there are no centipedes in this area" -my friend

well, there are none of the orange bastards but coalescipedes do exist

so I just hightailed it tf outta there

thank goodness I went in through shoreline so I had easy access to the scav merchant for a lantern

[hoary hemlock]

They've officially met pebbles, it's Pilgrover

[uncut osprey]

who is beemo

[calm sparrow]

it's a anti-raid bot that has a secondary bot to help it out

[uncut osprey]

lmao

[calm sparrow]

exactly how or why im not sure

[atomic locust]

maybe the second bot helps explode raiders faster because the first bot gets rate limited 💥

[calm sparrow]

💥

[icy bison]

@late copper is this true??

Oh that puts it in the thread I forgot

@nimble drift @gray ruin @viscid path @midnight sky @fervent lintel the robot takeover has begun

[teal timber]

Is it a spoiler to tell Shark that there are score screens in the DLC?

[astral kraken]

I personally don't think so, it's minor enough

[tranquil mulch]

Now imagine if someone with <@&1125928193778532453> was active in this thread

unfortunately, the sniffers are literally 1984 and don't want to give a role with channel creation permission to some random user

[teal timber]

Glad they specified later cycles

[quick elk]

[hoary hemlock]

Bro why is Shark thread actually peak entertainment

[atomic locust]

good at the game

moves quickly

[icy bison]

Slugcat gaming

[calm sparrow]

@frigid igloo

[atomic locust]

@proud dragon

[teal timber]

What does that do

[atomic locust]

no clue

I actually asked in staff chat a moment ago, right after sending the ping here

[calm sparrow]

I'm too tired to think of some joke involving quoting pebbles
some sort of assistant to the wiki department but it is inactive and has been for years. beyond that i dont know what else it is/was capable of

but as far as I'm aware it has no special permissions

[quick elk]

it was used in #wiki-bot , basically you enter its command and it sends the releated wiki page

[hoary hemlock]

spreads rot in this chat

[teal timber]

#1271681097775976579 message
Echoes are awesome

[quick elk]

Hello has anyone encountered some issue with new #1269808032276152451 system so far, or stuff that might need changing in general?

[teal timber]

I can't think of any issues ATM.

The current rules on how Downpour should work with it are a little odd, but that's because it's in-development

I still think that when Downpour gets this treatment we should just make it a forum tag rather than a separate forum entirely. It's really neat that people can just jump into the Hunter's campaign in the same thread that their Survivor one was in, and that convenience would probably benefit the Downpour campaigns quite a bit.

I can definitely notice that it's harder for players to interact with each other - I've seen a few people poking around other players' posts to chat, which is obviously more of a spoiler risk now. I don't think anyone's gotten any notable spoilers from doing that yet, but y'know.

I don't wanna tell people they can't talk to each other
But I think the forum tags are a good way to minimize that risk? People that are willing to risk looking at others' posts can check the tags to get an idea of what's going on in there.

[tranquil mulch]

There's a limit of 25 tags, and even before that point it would become unwieldy if all campaigns, MSC or not, are in the same channel

[teal timber]

(there aren't a lot of tags right now, and I'm not really sure what the tags should be, besides one for each campaign)

I don't think we'll get close to 25 tags. 8 campaigns + 2 channel classifiers + 1 Downpour flag, and we're not even halfway.

I'm a bit scared to have, like, LTTM and FP be tags, because, y'know, then we'd have the acronym confusion all over again. I wonder if there's a more recognizable way to indicate that

Having a "marked" tag would be great for categorization, for example, but that's also quite spoilery in and of itself.

Doing it based off of achievement names wouldn't work because not everyone gets those.

[teal timber]

Is there a limit to the number of posts in a forum?

[tranquil mulch]

Probably not

Or at least not a unreasonable one

example from another server I haven't visited in a week

[teal timber]

Having to move people between channels because of the DLC is already quite unwieldy, and this new system already ensures MSC spoilers can't easily leak between players.

[tranquil mulch]

there are probably tens of thousands of posts there

ok nvm that's an overestimation

I'm going with a few thousand instead

[teal timber]

still

[tranquil mulch]

still, the server has adopted the forum system over a year ago, regularly gets over 10 posts per day, and no issues with a post limit have been encountered

[quick elk]

Maybe also a tag for post-game?
-# also there are 9 slugcats

[teal timber]

As in, post-Survivor, pre-others? Good idea.
-# also the ninth probably deserves some special treatment because of the riddle and the fact that it's mostly played by people who already know everything anyways

[tranquil mulch]

Monk is probably merged with Survivor since they're basically the same /j
-# Inv can be excluded for, fairly clear reasons imo

[dark tiger]

First playthrough inv

[atomic locust]

1000 open, no limit once closed

[atomic locust]

I personally vote for two forums.

I think having 50 active threads from one channel could end up being a bit Much in terms of organization, although not terrible

and the risk of someone clicking into another's thread and getting spoiled is increased with the One Thread system

[icy bison]

Inv should get their own forum /j

But yea 2 makes sense

[calm sparrow]

should i just reuse/reporpoise #1112199157969584150

or should i make a brand new one and archive the old one

[atomic locust]

nuh uh

best to archive

[calm sparrow]

alriiiiiight

i'm gonna make it with inv tag too?

or do we really need a new forum channel just for inv

[quick elk]

I honestly don't think Inv should be in FP channels, really. Though maybe a poll could help.

[atomic locust]

why not? 🤔

there are lots of people that go into inv blind

but every place that allows talk on the campaign is full spoilers

[silver musk]

there's no dedicated first playthrough channel for inv. Tbh the current channel #inv-campaign should be named inv-spoilers to be in line with other spoiler channels. Other campaign channels have a more strict spoiler policy which allows people to cook their own soup

[atomic locust]

#inv-spoilers implies #downpour-spoilers disallows inv

[silver musk]

yeah... there's this point also

[atomic locust]

I do see the conflict with #inv-campaign allowing full campaign spoilers whilst the other #X-campaign channels are for FP

although that issue will go away once those get archived

[tranquil mulch]

reminder that inv-campaign was called inv-spoilers until inv spoilers were allowed in msc-spoilers

Undoing the channel name change would likely have the perception of the msc-spoilers change being rolled back

[silver musk]

I see that

[calm sparrow]

alrighty

i'm gonna add an inv tag then

what should this channel be called? downpour first playthroughs?

dlc first playthroughs?

[silver musk]

msc-first-playthroughs? It worked well so far

[calm sparrow]

we already have an msc first playthroughs

guess i could rename it to old

[atomic locust]

Downpour would work well in that people would understand it

[silver musk]

not the first time

[atomic locust]

only issue is that people with downpour on and MSC off would try to go there

MSC is probably for the best

[teal timber]

MSC (Downpour)

[atomic locust]

you could also split this in a different way

one thread for monk/surv/hunt, MSC or not

one thread for MSC slugcats

I don't think I'd do it but it's an idea to consider

[calm sparrow]

kalum if you're on pc could you rearrange the channels

[atomic locust]

am on mobile, but can run over to my laptop (15 feet away)

[calm sparrow]

damb

oh i might be able to send the old one to archives

cant move the new one to the top tho

actually that'll come last

[atomic locust]

yuh

[teal timber]

Consider: that would require more moving between channels

[atomic locust]

yuh

[calm sparrow]

ehhh yeah lol

[teal timber]

(pretty much most of my opinions are about what would require the least organizational work, since I wanna say this type of forum is near-perfect for spoiler-avoidance)

[hoary hemlock]

YAYYYY new system for msc

[astral kraken]

[dark tiger]

It's hype

[hoary hemlock]

AND i got the first thread >:3

Never thought I'd make a return to document my journey in an fp chat again

[atomic locust]

I have made the executive decision to unfollow all FP threads that have the just documenting! tag for my own sanity

[calm sparrow]

WAIT I JUST REALIZED

we want the thread to not require <@&1146552036939276438> to see right

[atomic locust]

yuh

[calm sparrow]

fixed

[atomic locust]

does anyone have any opinions on what these icons could be changed to

I just picked the most Positive looking emotes for each slugcat

but it would also be fun to make it an emote that feels indicative of the campaign content

[modern harness]

Hm

/j

[atomic locust]

it would be funny to make the arti emote super aggro

(I also want to make the emotes for each slugcat be something that is very easily recognizable as said slugcat at a glance)

I changed to for that just now, but I'm not sold on it

[modern harness]

Yea the tag icons are p small

Not many good Separ emotes

Whar

Spear

How did that happen

Riv seems fine to me imo

Could do this for Inv

[quick elk]

Should pins from old FP chats (excluding the ones ment to explain channel purpose) get reposted here and pinned again? Stuff like #1143461074453139486 message , #1066347060393168927 message , #1066371370679795875 message and #1066371370679795875 message (needs Archive role to be seen)

[hoary hemlock]

The "Tips for New [Slugcat]" were peak comedy we gotta preserve em

[tranquil mulch]

is such a Rivulet emoji

[hoary hemlock]

It's peak rivulet

Not one thought behind those eyes

[teal timber]

Which reminds me, I should make the Chart™️ V5. Probably in #downpour-spoilers this time - but I need to wait until it's at low activity, it takes a while to post

I suppose I could make a forum post for it, but, uh, it has spoilers and that seems like an unnecessary risk.

[astral kraken]

It could be a thread in mscspoilets

[tranquil mulch]

@lethal dagger, will you?

oops, @atomic locust

[atomic locust]

Greg ping

[atomic locust]

first playthrough stuff is going Swimmingly™️

I think tags could do with updating at some point, there are certainly some things that would fit well

but it all seems good for now...

[twin ridge]

Ah I finally found the thread

[late copper]

@south valley gonna elaborate on what I said earlier - for many players the existence of LTTM is a highly significant reveal, being the first undoubtable sign you find of intelligent civilization before you. We want to respect this by allowing them to come across the area naturally, not influencing the reveal in any way and letting them develop their own theories. It's also intentional for you to be confused when you find LTTM, not knowing what Iggy wants you to do and having only your instincts to guide you - it's important to let them make their own decision at this moment.

[south valley]

Ahhh okay okay, that was actually my first time helping a first player

[late copper]

You might be tempted to say things like "you're gonna find an important area" or "take the colored pearls for lore" to give them motivation, but it's better to let them rely on intrinsic motivation instead

All good

[south valley]

[astral kraken]

I should stop procrastinating and finish the helpering guide

Problem is Im shit at writing and I dont want to just copy the older guide, thatd be bad

But Im about to have a full day off soon so gonna push myself to work on it

[teal timber]

@severe forge don't talk about pearl colors, they don't know that's a thing yet

[severe forge]

They said they had a coloured pearl so that was a close call, but I'll be more careful next time

[atomic locust]

@late copper rot levels are changed between some campaigns with MSC enabled I think?

not 100% sure about that

[late copper]

yeah, i was thinking for the vanilla campaigns, which do have inspectors

[atomic locust]

oh yeah I wasn't thinking about creature spawns

inspectors do change the FP vibe quite a bit

[severe forge]

yall can I tell a new player to not make sparatic movements with scavs or is that too much

[teal timber]

I think that depends on how much they're stuck on them.

[severe forge]

um

you know who im talking about here

Papyrus

should I?

[teal timber]

yeah sure

[severe forge]

k

[late copper]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1272690337525137549 pilgrimage detected

[teal timber]

Oh come on it's just the Wall

[late copper]

and chimney canopy, they might get SI and SB

oh maybe i misread

[atomic locust]

they got CC it seems

and are heading to SI

it's not unreasonable to assume they'd get pilgrimage from here

honestly just depends if they don't give up trying to cross SI

[late copper]

this is why i like UW being a dead end

[twin ridge]

true
climb up from CC and if you've explored you've probably activated the CC echo, then you go up UW, get stuck, and get the echo which shoots up your karma
then you go back to CC and boom another echo

[teal timber]

true

The question is do they figure out the procedure™️ for Droplets upon Five Large Droplets and/or A Bell, Eighteen Amber Beads.

And if they notice Two Sprouts, Twelve Brackets (which is, like, a 50/50 chance)

(though, if they figure out the prodecture™️ they might catch Four Needles Under Plentiful Leaves later on)

[teal timber]

oh hey

[twin ridge]

[teal timber]

Oh, wait, this is really interesting.

[twin ridge]

they've just... left it?

[hoary hemlock]

I love how this chat assembles whenever someone gets one (1) non-wall echo (chat trust me it's gonna be pilgrimage this time for sure for sure)

To be fair I am also a pilgrimage truther in these cases

[twin ridge]

Issue is sky islands is such a karma drain for new players that it's hard to get that one (and I haven't seen anyone collect LF or SH)

[hoary hemlock]

I meannn

SH echo works if someone figured out flashbangs kill coalesciepdes

This eliminatez the number 1 issue of coalescipedes in shaded, making accidental karma loss harder

And SH echo room has flashbangs

Easier in vanilla chats than MSC chats because in vanilla the SH echo room is the only room outside of MC with flashbangs

[twin ridge]

true
i just haven't seen anyone wander into the echo room yet lol

[tranquil mulch]

That's wrong.

[hoary hemlock]

Oh, is it? Sorry

[tranquil mulch]

there are, a bunch of rooms with flashbangs

[hoary hemlock]

Yeah blno I'm just blind pmao

[tranquil mulch]

ok nvm there are two

[hoary hemlock]

I need to stop being so confidently wrong

[twin ridge]

you were half right

[tranquil mulch]

These two rooms are in the top path of SH where Spiders aren't as much of an issue

eh, one is in the, middle path

Both are immediately next to shelters though

[hoary hemlock]

not a good trait for a fphelper

[late copper]

there's also some in one of the softlock spider pits

[tranquil mulch]

oh!

missed SH_A17

[astral kraken]

Dont beat yourself up with this, it happens, we're all still just humans

And as long as someone comes to correct you then no harm is done
Or worst case scenario the misinformed person will get corrected eventually by someone else in the future

[hoary hemlock]

Thanks

I'll try my best not to :3

[lean frost]

wawa

[hoary hemlock]

wawa indeed

[twin ridge]

wawa.

[dark tiger]

No

[astral kraken]

wawa.

[hoary hemlock]

Yes

[atomic locust]

I think I stumbled upon the shaded echo room but never got the actual echo

I just got wall and sub

low-karma loser 😔

[hoary hemlock]

Same

I recall going into that room just due to its proximity to the shoreline gate

[atomic locust]

cherrybomb jump over SI gap in first playthrough 🍿

[twin ridge]

[atomic locust]

@teal timber I was mostly trying to confirm that they weren't referring to grappling worms or smth

[teal timber]

ah true

[hoary hemlock]

fphelpers is this an appropriate time to send the dialogue

i suppose so if they have seen it before, just misunderstood

[late copper]

refraction cell

[dark tiger]

Which campaign are they playing

I hope it's Rivulet..

[hoary hemlock]

yeah it's ribulet

[hoary hemlock]

chat is this hunter

[late copper]

does the dialogue actually say "refraction"

isn't it rarefaction

[hoary hemlock]

it doesn't

[quick elk]

#1275246835564281938 message damn

[modern harness]

Thats cool
But itd be cooler if it werent for the fact that they said they turned up the Hunter cycles to max

[late copper]

oh

[modern harness]

Its like in their 2nd message in the forum xd

Yea

For context, I'm playing as hunter, the cycle count turned up to the max in remix so I can just play normally instead of at a dead sprint.

Its still neat tho to get all passages

[dark tiger]

If only time limits didn't scare so many people

[tranquil mulch]

I actually started Hunter after already having finished all Expedition missions and Challenges, because the Remix-added text implied a timer and that was scary

[dark tiger]

[atomic locust]

I did hunter after saint but only because I tried it after surv and got stuck at the OS toll for 5 cycles

[dark tiger]

I didn't buy dp until after beating hunter

[atomic locust]

I bought it after deciding I would come back to hunter Later

[dark tiger]

It's always felt weird to me that people don't embrace the challenge of the challenge mode, not trying to sound gatekeepy here

Instead treating it like a checklist to check off

[twin ridge]

Same!

[late copper]

#1272690337525137549 message they got pilgrimage???

[teal timber]

It appears so

[atomic locust]

hunter after a pilgrimage playthrough must be wild

[late copper]

y'know, i think the option to continue playing after ascending actually has some connection to the lore. i think it represents what happens when you attempt to ascend when you're not yet ready to leave the world behind, like what echoes experience.
the echoes are very reminiscent about the physical world and their past lives, and they don't seem to act like some kind of divine punishment forced them into their echo state - many of them seem pretty content while speaking to us. the farm arrays echo suggests that they chose to come back, even if the choice was subconscious - to the physical realm, and to the fields where we can encounter them.

[teal timber]

Pilgrimmage!

[teal timber]

... #vanilla-lore

[late copper]

eh i'll just finish what i was thinking here

[teal timber]

(I say, immediately after having a complex lore discussion in #modded-gameplay)

[late copper]

i've heard of one player to whom the ending took by surprise, and they felt unsatisfied because they still had things they wanted to do in the game. so they kept playing, kept exploring until they felt satisfied with what they had experienced, returned to the void sea and "truly" ascended.

on the other hand, echoes return to reminisce, and to help enlighten creatures like slugcats and scavengers to what they have seen beyond the physical realm. i believe they too will eventually ascend given enough time.

[teal timber]

ah interesting

And then there's Shroomie.

[late copper]

(did a server search)

[quick elk]

damn that's a pretty nice theory

[quick elk]

#1273506701638635562 message @teal timber is Tong Pterodactyl on The Chart yet?

[hoary hemlock]

It actually happened for once

[hoary hemlock]

Idk if this is a thread issue or a discord mobile issue but

[quick elk]

likely discord causing discord here is where the link usually leads

[teal timber]

#1275033586831196210 message
@quick elk Isn't this a spoiler? It only shows up when you give one to Looks to the Moon.

[modern harness]

Honestly not sure what to do with this Clover fella

Oh.

I think they used cheats to unlock everything

[teal timber]

They're not gonna get very far if they can't see anything anyways

actually wait

[modern harness]

huh-

This is what they sent me

[teal timber]

O

yeah, that's-

[atomic locust]

rain world

[modern harness]

I dont even know if theyre aware theres a character unlock order

[teal timber]

Probably not fit for playing Rain World, unless they're really smart with window positioning...

[atomic locust]

you just gotta be a GAMER

[quick elk]

Deleted it thought they reached both LttM and FP

[teal timber]

I mean, they did, but

In that order, first of all

[quick elk]

oh right

[calm sparrow]

lmao

how the fuck does one live with that

[modern harness]

No idea

[astral kraken]

being able to look at playthroughs all in their own posts and compare them to each other really makes you think wow each copy of Rain World really is personalised

[teal timber]

yeah

[dark tiger]

i really like it

[calm sparrow]

https://tinyurl.com/rw-helper-application

[modern harness]

Join the roulette of "which helper application out of the 100+ are we gonna look at today"

[tranquil mulch]

if you're lucky, you can get in a day after the application
if you're not, wait a few months

[icy bison]

Can I sign up for hurter

Can I disrupt the community

And be evil

[calm sparrow]

sowwy hurter roles are only applicable on april 1st

[icy bison]

🤯

[hoary hemlock]

Already did :3 :3

I wonder if there's a correlation between the frequency of sniffers sending application form and the proximity of the next onboarding

[tranquil mulch]

can #1271884302103351308 be exploded perhaps

[astral kraken]

Yea I vote for deleting it

[quick elk]

I really want to but I just cannot find a solid excuse for it it is horrible for both the OP and all other new players but it would seem mean to just randomly delete it without a reason

[tranquil mulch]

a main part I hate is that it's just an argument

not a very well-behaved one

also a bunch of downpour soilers recently

[quick elk]

I'll try to word something out and delete it.

[late copper]

you could delete it purely on this merit

[tranquil mulch]

it can give a negative impression of the channel

it's not very well representative of it, but it remains on top as long as the argument endures

[late copper]

actually Not Really

[upper sky]

i really really regret not playing blind and i try very hard to get my friends who play it anew to NOT look at the map or spoil it for themselves

would be nice for ppl to play it blind :(

[astral kraken]

People coming in there might find some arguments that will convince them to not look up things on their own which is the only positive thing that kept me from doing anything to it

[quick elk]

Done the OP was told about the reason of deletion in DMs.

[upper sky]

nice

[hoary hemlock]

yeah playing blind was a blast i gotta say

the only thing i was spoiled on by my friend is that there is an area with flying centipedes because i have a fear of centis

(was quite humorous getting to shoreline as gourmand)

[teal timber]

I got spoiled two two things - that lizards could be tamed, and that big deer-looking things existed but weren't hostile.

Well, and that the AI was really good

I think knowing that the AI is really good is a good kind of spoiler, it makes the game more interesting from the outset

The others not so much, but it was still mostly blind.

... I do also remember pausing the game halfway through the Void Sea and looking up what the big worm thing was because I was too scared to continue without at least a little bit of information on it

[hoary hemlock]

oh yeah I would not have cleared farms without my friend teaching me deer behavior

[hoary hemlock]

as you can see, this is stage 1: denial

[teal timber]

I didn't learn deer behavior, just that they existed and weren't hostile

In fact, I never went to the Farm Arrays in my first playthrough, so

(my first experience with it was as the Hunter, which was funny)

(I did sadly get spoiled to some things about the Hunter just because I didn't realize there was that much more to the game)

[atomic locust]

let it be known that I've been manually closing any posts that show as 3d or older because discords "Hide after inactivity" thing seemingly does nothing

and feel free to also do that 🙂

helps trim the thread count for people following a bunch

[atomic locust]

(first playthrougu helpers can do this)

[atomic locust]

boo

[twin ridge]

ahhh

[late copper]

what is this feature

[atomic locust]

that is an awesome image

I barely even use 🥹

that's a REmote

not a kalumote

[late copper]

i'm gunched. 🙂

[atomic locust]

oh ok

[twin ridge]

Fair enough

[hoary hemlock]

Average miros vulture reaction

I would voice the hell out of that ngl

[quick elk]

Tong Pterodactyl strikes again

[hoary hemlock]

Speaking of Tong Pterodactyl

Have we decided where to re-pin The Chart?

[quick elk]

Personally I think all the old fp pins could go here (plus some other useful resources), but I lack pin/delete perms here.

[hoary hemlock]

waiting for gelper onboard

[tranquil mulch]

what should be pinned here

[hoary hemlock]

Perhaps all the "tips for new [slugcat]" in 1 message

[teal timber]

The Chart™️ still isn't updated into a channel I have edit perms in

Not sure where to put it - I could make a forum post for it but that would attract new players and be spoily.

[hoary hemlock]

I believe this chat would work well honestly - just get a gelper willing to pin it

[teal timber]

oh true

[tranquil mulch]

I'm fully willing to pin, just don’t want to self-pin

[teal timber]

Nickname Chart
Version 5 - Forum Edition
Bold names are semi-canon because they are used in the games' menus in some form (usually Challenge or Expedition mode descriptions)
Underlined Bold names are canon because they are used in in-game dialogue
Italicized names refer to groups of that creature

Green Lizard / Crocodile / Anole / Charger / Limey / Chonkerdoodle

Pink Lizard / Skink / Raspberry Rapscalion / Hunter / Pinky

Blue Lizard / Gecko / Tokay / Blueberry Bumpkin / Blueberry Bandit / Climber / Bluey / Peacock

White Lizard / Chameleon / Camo Lizard / Invizard / Jumpscare Lizard / Ghost Lizard / Zonkerdoodle / Hider / Whitey / Invisibility Cloak Lizard / Cloak Lizard / Grey Lizard / Whiter Lizard

Salamander / Axolotl / Axolotl Lizard / Axolizard / Newt / Triton / Sally / Aquadoodle / Waterdoodle / Swimmer / Ruffle-Headed Reptile / Water Lizard

Yellow Lizard / Orange Lizard / Raptor / Doxxerdoodle / Caller / Orangey / Amber Lizard / Banana Lizard / Pasta Lizard / Ant Lizard / The Macaroni Mafia

Black Lizard / Mole Lizard / Molezard / Monitor Lizard / Monitor / Star-Nosed Lizard / Hearer / Flashie / Whiskard / Shadow Lizard / Catfish Lizard / Spider Lizard / Glowstick Lizard / Mole Rat / The Blind Brigade

Cyan Lizard / Leap Lizard / Leapzard / Launch Lizard / Basilisk / Launcherdoodle / Xbox Lizard / Cyanie / Boltzard / Jaunter / Booster Lizard / Fly Lizard / Yeet Lizard

Red Lizard / Red / Tegu / Dragon / Strawberry Slaughterer / Strawberry Striker / Reddie / Moscato Marauder / Firetruck / Redzard
Golden Lizard / Void Spawned Lizard / Rubicon Lizard / Shiny Pokemon Lizard

Strawberry Lizard / Fairy Lizard / Bateater Lizard / Grapple Lizard / Zoop Lizard / Grapzard / Slizzie / Strawblizzard / Strawblizard / Swinger / Tonguezard / Rose Lizard / Whiplash Lizard / Yogurt Lizard / Sakura Lizard

Caramel Lizard / Cake Lizard / Gourzard / Spit Lizard / Scotch Behemoth / Butterscotch Behemoth / Hulker / Tan Lizard / Brown Lizard / Bread Lizard / Iguana / Whiterer Lizard

Eel Lizard / Eelzard / Lakelurker / Sea Salamander

Train Lizard / Hurricane Lizard

Rot / Corruption / Cancer / Mangled Mass / Octo+pus / Octopus / Glooper / Harvestman / T.L.C.O.A.D.L.L.S.A.A.C.H. / Hairball / Mass / (see below)
Brother Long Legs / Mangled Mass Mk. I / Huh / Peanut Butter Blob / Lankoid / Octopus Spider / Brown Goop / Brown Spaghetti / Plantera Blob / Swampmass
Daddy Long Legs / Mangled Mass Mk. II / Whahuh / Blueberry Jelly Blob / Greater Lankoid / Greater Octopus Spider / Cross-Eyed Luminescence / Blue Goop / Blue Spaghetti / Blueberry Squid / Twitch Streamer / Malicious Spaghetti / Blue Plantera Blob / Darkstar / 🫐
Grandfather Long Legs / Granddaddy Long Legs / Grandpa Long Legs / Mother Long Legs / Terror Long Legs / Mangled Mass Mk. III / Purple Goop / Purple Spaghetti
Proto Daddy Long Legs / Mangled Mass Prototype / Wha / Lesser Lankoid / Unformed Octopus Spider / Unformed DLL / Beta Long Legs / Wall Goop / Wall Bubbles
Rot Flypaper / Neuron Flypaper / Rot-Trap
Golden Long Legs / Void Spawned Long Legs / Rubicon Long Legs

Rock / Rubble / Rubbish / Debris

Spear / Stick

Neuron / Neuron Fly / Glowfly / Lifefly / Living Light / Brain Bug / Braincell / Crane / Tadpole / Electric Shrimp / Quantum Floater / Lightstream Navigator / Glowing Plankton

Bone Anemone / Duster

Neuron Space Dragon

Blue Twizzler / Cilium / Blue Grass

Pearl / Porl / Orb / Coin

Miros Bird / Scissor Bird / Scissor Kiwi / Danger Kiwi / Drama Kiwi / Snipclank / Scissoroo / Snip Snip Bird / Nightmare Bird / Scissor Chicken / Clicky Clacky Bird / Chainsaw Chicken / Terror Bird / Silvery Raptor / Scissor Sparrow / Robot Death Bird / Bladebeak / Scissorbot-9000 / Mech Bird / Piston Raptor Bird / Click Clack / Tong Chicken / Knife Bird / Crow / Ostrich / Knife Ostrich / Barbird / Cyborg Chicken / Chicken Robot Bird / Murder Kiwi / Duck / Killer Goose / Snappy Pants / Metal Bird

Flare Bomb / Flashbang / Flash Fruit / Lightpod / Flash Berry / Lighteye / Angler Bomb / Supernova Bomb / Taser Fruit / Lightning Berry

Scavenger Bomb / Grenade / Bomb / Firepod / Fun Ball

Sticky Bomb / Fire Egg / Flameorb / Bubble Pearl

Singularity Bomb / Singularity Grenade / Black Hole Bomb / Gravity Bomb / Tsar Bomba
Egg / Singularity Egg / Andrew Bomb / EggZero

Explosive Spear / Boomstick / Red Spear / Pipebomb / Toilet Paper Spear

Electric Spear / Zap Spear / Zappy Spear / Chargespear

Fire Spear / Bug Spear / Saint Spear / Flaming Spear / Burstspear

Grappling Worm / Tube Worm / Grapple Worm / Zipbug / Grapple Buddy / Slingslug / Lasso Larva / Whipworm / Grapple Grub / Spider Bug / Grapple Sock / Spider Sock / Silkworm / Rope Worm / Lickslinger / Grapple Slug / Hook Worm / Gummy Worm / Pickle Tongue / Swingworm

Slugcat / Scug / Pancake / (see below)
The Survivor / White
The Monk / Yellow / Banana Slug
The Hunter / Red
The Gourmand
The Artificer
The Rivulet / Ruffles / Wet Mouse / Land Fish / Water Dancer
The Spearmaster / Messenger / Mosquitocat
The Saint / Mlemcat
The Watcher / Nightcat
??? / Inv / Enot / Paincat
Slugpup / Slugkitten / Scup
Hunter Long Legs

Jetfish / Jankfish / Speed Squid / Skittish Jetfrog / Jet Squid / Frog / Scooter Squid / Waverider / Jetski Frog / Banana Squid / Waterskipper / Backflipper / Skeet / Mermaid / Squidglide / Octopus Dolphin

Red Leech / Vienna Leech / Small Leech / Maggot

Blue Leech / Jumbo Leech / Maggot

Green Leech / Jungle Leech

Squidcada / Cicada / Cuttlefly / Cuttlebug / Squidfly / Squid Fly / Squit / Cthulhu Fly / Beetle / Flying Squid / Buzzbulb / Squidica / Jetpack / Cuttlefish / Angel / Tentacle-Fly
White Squidcada
Black Squidcada

Yeek / Bounce Mouse / Jumping Bean / Jumping Mouse / Bouncy Monkey / Jumper

Vulture / Death Bird / Blimp / Eagle / Bird / Devil Bird / Giant Bird / Greatwing / Gas Chicken / B.A.F.B.A. / Skull Bird / Spider Cow / Chimney Sweeper / Sweeper / Specter Phoenix

King Vulture / Wing of Death / King Blimp / Apache / Mighty Greatwing / Gun Bird / Harpoon Vulture / S.A.B.A.F.B.A. / Uncle Vulture / Horned Sweeper

Vulture Grub / Shrieker / Siren / Alarm Bug / Greatwing Caller / Laser Grub / Alarm Slug / Whistle Bug

Batfly / Bat / Fly
Fly Lure / Batnip / Bat Fern / Batfern / Pheroweed

Lantern Mouse / Lampster / Lampter / Lamp Rat / Glow Rabbit / Glow Bunny / Glow Mouse / Mouse / Lightrat / Glowmur / Light Chinchilla / Light Bunny / Glow Frog / Lumimouse

Bubble Fruit / Bubblenut / Water Popcorn / Water Chestnut / Bluecorn / Hydrocorn / Bluerock / Chia Seed / Freeze-Dried Food / Bubbleflower / Popfruit / Blue Coffee Bean

Bubble Weed / Bubble Grass / Breathvine / Aero Flower / Bubblewort

Beehive / Needlenest / Pinecone / Paincone / Wasp Nest / Living Nest / Taser Thistle / Hivecone / Glue Dart Flower / Laser Flower / Spider Flower / Spider Rose

Fire Bush / Firecracker Plant / Cherry Bomb / Firecracker / Flare Fern / Sparknut / Firebrush / Crackle Plant / Cracklebush / Firework Fern / Gunpowder Plant / Sparkler / Firecracker Flower

Spider / Coalescipede / Pitch Spider / Tiny Spider / Shadow Spider / Charcoaltipede / Nightmare Train / Spider Train / Spider Swarm

Big Spider / Wolf Spider / Porcupider / Kelp Spider / Hunter Spider / Lunge Spider / Brow Spider

Spitter Spider / Red Spider / Tranquilla / Dart Spider / Slingshot Spider / Dart Bush

Mother Spider / Hive Spider / Green Spider / Pregnant Spider

Scavenger / Tribal / Monkey / Villager / Dweller / Roamer / Gorilla

Elite Scavenger / Scavenger Leader / Scavenger Captain / Terminator

Scavenger King / Chieftain / Dave

Slime Mold / Goop / Gel / Glowgoop / Guano / Orange Stuff / Mystery Meat

Monster Kelp / Seaweed / Shadow Kelp / Demon Kelp / Death Kelp / Kelp Creeper / Trashweed / Killer Kelp / Reaver Kelp / Kelp / Moss / Aquatic Coil / Devil's Lettuce / Death Noodle / Kraken Kelp / Tree / Murder Kelp / Carpet Thing

Pole Mimic / Pole Plant / Mimic Pole / Mimic / Sundew Pole / Sus Pole / Coil / Evil Pole / Blood Rod / Fake Pole / Evil Vine / Sneak Plant / Polevine / B.P. / Carnivore Vine / Impostor Rope / Nope Stick / Pole Wannabe / Vile Fence / Szechuan Vine

Noodlefly / Nootfly / Noot / Ahab / Noodle Mosquito / Silly String / Needle / Mayfly / Mama / Redworm / Flying Shrimp / Slenderbug / Slugfly / Flying Demon Worm / Kazoo Weasel
Small Noodlefly / Baby Noodlefly / Trumpet Noodle / Wormfly
Large Noodlefly / Big Noodlefly / Adult Noodlefly / Noodlefly Mother / Tuba Noodle / Trumpet Bug

Noodlefly Egg / Noot Egg / Walnut / Red Coffee Bean

Garbage Worm / Earbud / Thiefworm / Spear-Stealer Plant / Pearl-Eyed Garden Eel / Garden Eel / Stick Stealer / Bandit Worm / Long John / Yoinky

Snail / Hermit Crab / Concussive Crab / Crab / Pop Bug / Popper / Pop Snail / Popling / Soda Tick / Snail Turtle / Snurtle / Clacker Beetle / Kaboom Crab

Overseer / Peeper / Observer / Beholder / Overlord
Yellow / Iggy / Greg / Yellow Noodle / Golden Worm
Blue / Breg / Wiggy / Cyan Worm
Green / Biggy
Orange / Riggy

Overseer Eye / Eye

ID Drone / Sofanthiel / Sofantheil / Goldheart / Evil Sea Butterfly

Dropwig / Jumpscare Bug / Earwig / Bad Bug / Sphere Wig / Ceiling Sneak / Snare Flea / Cockroach / Crawfish / Crawdad / Ceiling Scorpion

Stowaway / Fog Demon

Blue Fruit / Fruit / Sac / Pupa Fruit

Gold Fruit / Rubicon Fruit

Lilypuck / Water Lily / Luma Lily / Floater Lily

Dandelion Peach / Island Flower / Sky Islands Flower

Gooieduck / Thornfruit / Isopop / Coconut

Popcorn Plant

Jellyfish / Jelly

Big Jellyfish / Queen Jelly / Jellywhale / Super Jellyfish

Hazer / Mister / Inky / Floor Squid / Inkjet / Inkfish / Whisker Squid / Smoke Squid

Puff Ball / Spore Puff / Deer Egg / Gas Apple / Stinkberry / Spore Pod / Cantaloupe / Wailing Cantaloupe / Spagegg / Deer Powder

Deer / Rain Deer / Jackalope / Jackonope / Uber / Unwilling Uber / Moose / Slender Deer / Spider Bunny / Stilt Yak / Yak / Stag / Deerclops

Centipede / Amber-Coated Centipede / Shockopede / Electropede / Caterpillar / Battery Bug / Defibrilator Worm:
Small Centipede / Baby Centipede / Lil Centipede / Decipede
Medium Centipede / Adult Centipede
Large Centipede / Overgrown Centipede / Elder Centipede / Mother Centipede / Millipede

Red Centipede / Killavolt / Killipede / Mighty Electropede / Titan Centipede

Golden Centipede / Void Spawned Centipede / Rubicon Centipede

Centiwing / Green Centipede / Flying Centipede / Flying Electropede / Jaded Centipede / Death Ribbon / Green Spaghetti / Aeropede / Pteropede

Aquapede / Blue Centipede / Water Centipede / Centiswim / Tidal Electropede / Sea Centipede / Anglerpede / Seatipede

Glow Weed / Water Lantern / Glowfruit / Phosphor Pod / Glow Capsule

Worm Grass / Death Grass / Hungry Grass / Gravedigger / Grass / Weeds / Polyps / Barnacles / Lemon Grass / Wigglegrass / Anemone Grass / Flesh-Eating Grass

Leviathan / Biggie / Cryptic Depth-Dweller / Big Eel / Whale / Big Gribblie / Maw / Calamity Boss / Chomper

Golden Leviathan / Void Spawned Leviathan / Rubicon Leviathan

Void Spawn / Memory Worm / Ghost Shrimp / Orange Orb / Glow Embryo / Spirit

Echo / Space Kraken / Goober / Disco Pinecone / Ghost / Blue Ghost / Biblically Accurate Angel / Aberration / Karma God / Void Master

Guardian / Ancient Golem / Gatebearer / Cultist / Sentinel / Basketball Player / Gravity Mage / Stonehead / Illuminati Guard

Void Worm / Void Wyrm / Abyssal Worm / Weaver / World Serpent / Void Serpent

Egg Bug / Pimple Cockroach / Roach / Scorpion / Eye-roach

Bomb Bug / Flareroach

Miros Vulture / Scissor Vulture / Flying Death Kiwi / Tong Pterodactyl / W.A.B.A.F.B.A.

Inspector / Hydra / Axon / Manager / Amoeba / Plasma Mass

Scavenger Lantern / Lantern / Glow Rock / Heat Rock / Glowstone

Mushroom / Addercap / Bullet Time Mushroom

Karma Flower / Wheel Flower / Strange Flower / Golden Flower / Magic Flower / Twizzlie / Mercy Flower / Samsara Flower / Shield Flower / Ascension Flower / Afterlife Lily

Iterator / C.B.A.M.
Iterator Puppet / Alien / C.B.A.M.O. / Operator

Mass Rarefaction Cell / Rarefaction Cell / Rarefaction Orb / Orb / Orb™️ / Demon Core / Quantum Enbobulator

Cloak

Rifle / Joke Rifle / Gun

[tranquil mulch]

didn't want to interrupt with a pin, to confirm, that's all? @teal timber

[icy bison]

🤯

[teal timber]

OK, question

are nightcat and the Watcher the same thing

I feel like it would be a good idea to add them to the Chart™️, especially if I'm going to acknowledge the existence of the secret one.

[tranquil mulch]

Different concepts, but the same creature difficult to say

[teal timber]

They look to be identical, no?

[icy bison]

actually i think they are different because nightcat doesnt seem to be watching very much in their arena pic, seems rather absentminded to me /j

[teal timber]

Updates:

• the secret campaign's unique content has been added
• no more spoiler warning, it's kinda arbitrary anyways and this is an #downpour-spoilers thread now
• removed some self-explanatory emoji entries
• The

[late copper]

About Oliver names - #1193107131575058432 message

[teal timber]

B.A.F.B.A. and its variants are already in.

I'm a little hesitant to add entries that are just names, unless it's used very consistently and clearly refers to the entire species rather than one individual...

... and I realize I don't have an entry for lizard names, in general, so IDK where I would put "Aztec".

crane definitely

OH, C.B.A.M.

a good chunk of Oliver's names are too descriptive™️

(his name for the Saint ||isn't even really a name, that's the joke||)

Actually I'm not sure how iterators should be represented in the Chart™️ now. One entry for the can, one for the puppet?

or

I mean, the other iterator components have their own entries, so let's say the puppet counts separate.

Though, of course, a lot of players don't make the distinction between iterator and puppet, so

Also, now that the rest of the campaign is in, should "Sofantheil" be considered menu-canon

It exists in the game, but nothing in-game says what the name means.

Also, does anyone want to contribute names for the Egg

[tranquil mulch]

Gorbo/Sofanthiel are used in the dating simulator.

[teal timber]

ooooooooooooooooooooookay

... for what? The Gourmand and the ID Drone?

[tranquil mulch]

Names given to Inv by Moon

[teal timber]

seriously

[tranquil mulch]

Sofanthiel gets immediately discarded by Rivulet and Gorbo gets chosen.

[teal timber]

sigh

why did I decide to add the secret campaign-

I can't believe I have to ask this, but is the Dating Sim menu-canon or lore-canon

[tranquil mulch]

I'd assume as canon as Inv

[teal timber]

true

Let's just say all of the secret campaign's content is menu-canon at maximum, even if it's in-game dialogue.

(... "Five Pebbsi" is not going in the Chart™️)

[teal timber]

Chart™️ Name Conflict™️

Also I'm hesitant to add Gorbo because, like

The Gourmand exists

and looking at the dialogue they don't seem to settle on it either.

so

Wait, TIL there's a ||spicy marshmallow joke|| in the Dating Sim

anyways

Oh, "Egg" is also menu-canon per the Dating Sim

[tranquil mulch]

@teal timber #1278908136849412227 message

note about this

it's actually fixed in MSC

in case you see inconsistencies with any other screenshots in a different context

[teal timber]

yeah

I know

[silver musk]

Drama kiwi 🙏

[modern harness]

Watching people first meet Moon is so fun
They either eat a neuron then stop or die to reset it when she gets hurt, dont eat any, or immediately eat every neuron and kill her instantly

[hoary hemlock]

My friend felt so bad he restarted his svae file just to save Moon

(He claims he "was hungry" and "didn't know")

[modern harness]

Ah yes, the 2 reasons that are completely expected from you the first time you meet Moon

lol

[atomic locust]

for future reference™️

if you have to delete the whole starting message for a post, it's probably good practice to repost it so the question isn't entirely lost

especially if that starter post included important info

[modern harness]

If this is for the more recent msc forum, I kept asking them to like, spoil an image they had attached and they just kept making more forums without it spoilered 😭
I eventually fell asleep and they prob did it again but I didnt mess with that one

[atomic locust]

uhh it's happened a few times, not a huge deal or anything

most recent one just reminded me of it

[modern harness]

Ah, oke

[modern harness]

I just had a "you've activated my trap card" moment

[atomic locust]

shouldnt Miros Bird be bolded here 🤔

I think it's in the devlog

[icy bison]

Biros Mird

[teal timber]

devlogs don't count

only in-game stuff

It's bold if it's in-game in a menu or HUD, and underlined if it's in-game in dialogue.

[tranquil mulch]

Does Expedition not allow Miros Birds as the challenge requirement?

[teal timber]

I don't think so? I checked by cycling Expedition challenges a bunch and writing down everything I saw, so I could have missed some

[tranquil mulch]

second challenge

[teal timber]

well then

[tranquil mulch]

oh also

EggZero/Egg0 as a common name for the Inv egg

[teal timber]

ah OK

I don't see enough of the secret campaign to know what people call that thing so I imagine I'm missing a lot there

[tranquil mulch]

Fire Spear should be added here

it's even the wiki name

[teal timber]

ah

I have "fire spear" listed for explosive ones

I should probably move it

[tranquil mulch]

Explosive Spear doesn't have it

[teal timber]

actually wait no I don't

[tranquil mulch]

Though, FireSpear is one of the codenames for explosive spears

as the arena unlock ID

the class name is ExplosiveSpear

speaking of expedition @teal timber

1.9.14 updated several of the names in Expedition

[teal timber]

Oh, really?

[tranquil mulch]

let me recheck which ones

[teal timber]

Oh, relatedly, does anyone have a name for the Pursuer? I don't have an entry for it yet, and I'm not entirely sure it needs one.

[tranquil mulch]

Cicadas are changed to Squidcadas and Tube Worms are changed to Grappling Worms

that's, actually it

that means changes to the White/Black Squidcada and Grappling Worm entries

[tranquil mulch]

One of the Remix tips mentions rocks by name.

Oh and Artificer's tutorial also does

Rocks may not be a lethal weapon, but they have many practical uses. They<LINE>can distract, deflect, disarm, stun, reveal weak points, knock creatures off<LINE>of poles and ledges, etc!

Hold pick-up to transform rocks or spears into explosives, at the cost of food.

[teal timber]

ah neat

[tranquil mulch]

actually

Moon's dialogue also

It's a rock. Thank you, I suppose, little creature.

[twin ridge]

moon dialogue for random things is so good

[teal timber]

actually

Looks to the Moon must call a pearl a pearl at some point right-

[tranquil mulch]

`Another pearl! You want me to read this one too? Just a moment...

`

[teal timber]

Yeah OK

Can't believe I missed that-

[tranquil mulch]

there are a bunch of them

[tranquil mulch]

Ah... <little creature>, a neuron from Pebbles?

[teal timber]

ooooo good catch

[tranquil mulch]

Reds may be added. Note that Alpha reds Remix option actually never says that it's for Lizards

[teal timber]

oh huh

[tranquil mulch]

@teal timber do you have a batflies entry

i can't find it

('batfly' is a semi-canon name due to Remix settings)

[tranquil mulch]

large noodleflies

[teal timber]

... I do not. How did I miss that

[atomic locust]

@teal timber

[teal timber]

wow

that's a lot of changes-

Huh, it makes spore puffs not work when you throw them while riding? Interesting.

I would expect it to just make them not stop at the puff.

[severe forge]

K but I have a few that I called them when I first learned of them:
Leapy Boi, Baby Cyan, Cayenne Lizard, and Mobile Spicy Colour Lizard.

[quick elk]

@teal timber new miros bird name I think #1280516516734963832 message

[atomic locust]

#1280516516734963832 message
@quick elk

wouldn't metro pearls be unobtainable for surv

[quick elk]

16 base game + 3 SI + 1 SU + VS = 21. This excludes Metropolis, Outer Expanse and Submerged

[atomic locust]

ah, the wording of the message made it seem like you were saying 21 downpour exclusive pearls

[quick elk]

Oh I'll probably add a message to clarify that is not the case

[teal timber]

A fine addition to my collection

[modern harness]

@teal timber I found a wiki page with all the Remix tips

[teal timber]

oh really

[modern harness]

https://rainworld.miraheze.org/wiki/Remix#Loading_Screen_Tips

Theres actually, a lot

The tips teach you about pole hops and super slides

When tf is a first playthrougher gonna be able to do those

[astral kraken]

Thank you remix tips very cool movement

[modern harness]

Ngl I honestly have no idea how to approach situations with Inkfell

[dark tiger]

what's up?

[modern harness]

They keep insisting on asking for spoilers xd

[calm sparrow]

when in doubt consult the pinned guidelines post 💥

[teal timber]

There are definitely cases where it's a good idea to give more spoily tips so that someone can keep enjoying the game, but I think in this case specifically it's more just an issue of them thinking they're stuck when they're (mostly) not.

So it's partly just an issue of encouragement, but also giving tips only when they make the game more interesting rather than less (like the scavengers being smart).

[atomic locust]

thread link?

(curious who it is)

[teal timber]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1278575048470433843

They seem to be very goal-oriented, having been spoiled to some other things and hyper-focused on finding them to their own detriment. A classic case of "I just wanna make progress why isn't the game letting me do that".

Now, we've already brought that up a lot, and they recently made a lot of real progress so I think they're doing well

[teal timber]

@hasty copper don't mention Five Pebbles, they don't know about it yet

(#1281459869689450506 message)

[calm sparrow]

how would y'all feel about putting something in https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1269822681059168367 saying "IF AND ONLY IF you've finished the game and would like to help out others, check out https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1270823904247546017 to chat with your fellow volunteer guides so you're all on the same page!"

[atomic locust]

would be nice to have a bit more visibility, although it should be made clear that it also includes full DLC spoilers

[teal timber]

I agree, it should say something about the DLC

[quick elk]

I think it should say something along the lines of "beware full DLC spoilers", since this is also a chat for #1272670046434492426

[calm sparrow]

done

any changes?

[quick elk]

I have a feeling people may be confused by the chat with other helpers part, given how helper roles exist.

[calm sparrow]

idk how else to word it, and also you don't need to be a helper to help other people out the role always comes after the help

[atomic locust]

you could say.... Guides™️

[calm sparrow]

TRUE

[dark tiger]

We need a guide for guides

[tranquil mulch]

#1277626031989325897 message delete MSC content

[tranquil mulch]

If (and only if!) you've completed your first playthrough, you should join the First Playthrough Helping & Coordination thread i can only think of the formal definition of if and only if here

as in, these two statements are equivalent: if you've completed your first playthrough, you should join the thread; if you should join the thread, then you've completed your first playthrough.

[calm sparrow]

[tranquil mulch]

@teal timber #downpour-spoilers message name for slime mold

[quick elk]

Is it slime mold or glow weed?

[tranquil mulch]

ah

#downpour-spoilers message

that would mean glow weed

[tranquil mulch]

@modern harness misinformation

baseDamageResistance for grubs is set to 0.3, however, they use a VultureGrubState, which uses CreatureState as base, meaning it doesn't have HealthState as an ancestor.

[atomic locust]

wasn't that listed as such on the wiki at some point

[atomic locust]

so... what is their actual HP

in practice

[tranquil mulch]

They have a instantDeathDamageLimit of 0.6.

In conjunction with the baseDamageResistance, that means that doing >0.18 damage at once will kill them, and doing less than that won't.

ah they're still listed as having 0.3 HP on Wiki

[modern harness]

Yea I got that from the wiki

lmao

I dont memorize creature hps

If it dies in one or a couple hits I call it good lol

[narrow owl]

Rain world devs on their way to make the most needlessly complicated HP system for something that instantly dies in one hit to basically everything

[tranquil mulch]

Vulture Grubs have the exact same system as Slugcats

If damage exceeds a value, then die. Otherwise, survive.

Nothing else. It's the simplest a system could be.

[tranquil mulch]

except MSC developers messed it up by introducing a PermanentDamageTracking but,,, let's ignore that, it's distinct from health itself

[silver musk]

@fallow brook everything you need should be here

see the pinned messages

[fallow brook]

ty

[silver musk]

@wild wagon I'd recommend you read through this channel before going straight to helpering

[atomic locust]

I have a useful pin for new peeps that wanna help

#1270823904247546017 message

[wild wagon]

I know, I was following 1 + 3 (asking several times if they REALLY wanted the information, since they are at Hunter and clearly are getting annoyed that if you die as him you may as well reset from the start)

[silver musk]

you were the first one to suggest the exploit

you shouldn't ask if they want an information. They should decide to ask

[wild wagon]

What is the typical response you give to people getting annoyed at Hunter cycle limit making karma gates a choke point?

(you either are overpowered and complete the campaign in a few days or waste countless cycles farming, dying and reseting)

[silver musk]

if they can proceed I'd suggest doing so. If they can't I'd suggest restarting. You can always proceed and the only wall you can bump into is negative cycles

and it ends here

[wild wagon]

Do you sometimes recomend the "obvious": Look the options in Remix mod, to make it easier (monk gate / no karma gates / etc.)

[silver musk]

these are accessibility options

[muted jacinth]

@fossil sapphire Remember to only give advice if the forum poster asks for it, and even then it is best to put it behind a spoiler tag

#1270823904247546017 message Recommend reading this guide if you haven't already

[teal timber]

TBH my usual advice for the Hunter is to not commit to it if you don't like it

[dark tiger]

I usually avoid outright recommending changing the major remix options. Especially for hunter which is a challenge mode itself

[muted jacinth]

@lime rover I don't think saying something is a skill issue is a good idea, can make the new players feel really bad. #1286417203918405632 message
Hunter is a significant step up in difficulty from survivor after all.
(I know you probably didn't mean anything bad with it, just a reminder)

Could you delete it or reword it please?

[lime rover]

check

so i can be safe

[teal timber]

Since it's basically an optional challenge mode, I usually recommend people just ignore it rather than cheat their way through it, and just go straight to the MSC campaigns.

Which is good advice for beating the Hunter's campaign, anyways, since playing MSC is good practice for it.

[fallow brook]

Was it fine for me to tell someone who already learned about hunter longlegs that it spawns after permadeath, but not exactly how it works. I'm asking because he was the one who asked for that info themselves

[twin ridge]

https://discord.com/channels/291184728944410624/1285719107081207889
I haven't been following this person's post closely... have they gone from outskirts to farm arrays to sub instantly

[fresh atlas]

uhhh looks like it

[teal timber]

A sneaky one. We shall watch them with great interest

[twin ridge]

welp i hope they have fun
eventually they'll get out the other side into shoreline lol

[teal timber]

Did they find Two Sprouts, Twelve Brackets on their way?

[twin ridge]

doesn't look like it, they didn't post about it and got through with 4 karma

[narrow owl]

You can give players any information they explicitly ask for

[twin ridge]

(Some people heavily use rhetorical questions, so it's worth checking)

[quick elk]

#1286516524378755105 message would this would count as a spoiler or not? On one side, it is something the poster didn't ask for and is not obvious at first, but on the other side the poster somewhat said they need help with the part

[tranquil mulch]

snailturtle and snurtle are common names

[tranquil mulch]

sofanthiel is used in a console trailer for Downpour, does that count as semi-canon/canon

[teal timber]

no

In-game menus only.

[tranquil mulch]

typo here in the third one

[teal timber]

oh

fixed

[quick elk]

#1278174031111000074 message @teal timber new monster kelp name

[teal timber]

heh

I like that one

[tranquil mulch]

#1288517778156028007 Saint campaign in vanilla first playthrough

[silver musk]

Green monk

[modern harness]

I am many levels of confus

[wild wagon]

Green Monk, Orange Survivor and Purple Hunter are the best Vanilla slugcats

[tranquil mulch]

Monk and Saint are vaguely similar in meaning.

And they have said to not be native to English.

[atomic locust]

I believe that Saint was originally called The Monk prior to that name being taken up by an official slugcat :^)

[outer kraken]

dropping this message to make sure I am following it because I can't seem to find the follow thread icon anywhere

[atomic locust]

I did not see the @silver musk fp helper arc coming

@silver musk staff arc when

[tranquil mulch]

Chalver to sniffer pipeline is not real

[atomic locust]

first playthrough helping is basically Courier Lite though

[silver musk]

I'm still figuring out if I wanna commit to it

[outer kraken]

dew it

[silver musk]

[outer kraken]

am also gonna try to be more active here lol

[silver musk]

apply for fp helper

[outer kraken]

but navigating the threads is a lot different than before

[outer kraken]

naa i think i will maybe try that later
i did already once last year

lemme be more active and then i might apply again

[plucky lantern]

threads

[calm sparrow]

felpers

help

how do i answer what a colored pearl is?

i mean-what they do

[dark tiger]

Do they know what regular pearls do

It might just be "it has a use but you'll need to figure that yourself :)" moments since it's not vital towards progression or anything

[calm sparrow]

tysm

[teal timber]

@lapis talon shhh

They have a worm

[lapis talon]

Ooooooh

Sorry

I’ll delete

[severe lion]

How do I give soneone tips on shorline

[silver musk]

depends on a kind of help they need

[severe lion]

Tru
They just asked ‘any tips for shoreline’ basically

[silver musk]

tell them to try and eat everything they could see I was not aware that you could eat jellies or bubble plants on my first playthrough

[wild wagon]

New name for Monster Kelp? XD

[tranquil mulch]

@teal timber

[wild wagon]

Also this person did the fabled: Outskirt > Drainage > Filtration (Subterranian)

[quick elk]

Neurons

[fresh atlas]

helpers make new players eat moons neurons%

[silver musk]

me suggesting a person "try grabbing eating and throwing everything you see" after they clearly describe a grenade in their hand 💀

[teal timber]

#1286638714059096115 message
OK this is a really cool way to figure this out-

[fickle cobalt]

Oh hello

[atomic locust]

hi 👋

[atomic locust]

I would avoid this chat until you finish Saint- it includes full MSC spoilers

[teal timber]

they did

IIRC

[atomic locust]

oh

I just glanced at their message history and saw a first playthrough thread and assumed they were on one

[fickle cobalt]

yea it took a minute

Haven’t done a ton of chatting since, took a break

[twin ridge]

rain world player with a brain

[modern harness]

I can get needing to explain why a region name should be spoiled but the name of a mechanic being spoiled should be mostly obvious for why

[hoary hemlock]

new garbage worm name

(This is where we submit names right)

[silver musk]

@teal timber

[teal timber]

Added

[fickle cobalt]

If this is also the names place might as well put my personal sheet in https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-A-gtRkA6k4-pdoUsC_MHXYlSrZn9ZpWBtx1R9Dlklk/edit

Also, not in the server, but in a first playthrough video I watched they called noodlefly eggs walnuts

[teal timber]

Added

[lapis talon]

If someone wants a map of a region, do I just give it to them?
Context: they want to get thru Shaded but are scared if spiders, so they want a minimal-spider route thru the region. That means sticking to a map…

[silver musk]

I would rather suggest a mod than a map

keep that away from me or something

[teal timber]

hmmm

[silver musk]

tho it's debatable

[teal timber]

I would say give a direction rather than a map.

[silver musk]

the best way would be avoiding shaded at all

[teal timber]

Maps are very spoily.

[lapis talon]

That would kinda skip half the game tho lol

[silver musk]

there are alternative routes

you only skip the leg at most

[lapis talon]

And underhang right?

[silver musk]

a half of it

[lapis talon]

I assume u mean going thru CC?

[silver musk]

depends on a route

[icy bison]

For vanilla that also means doing a tricky jump to get to the underhang pebbles gate

MSC puts a worm there luckily

[teal timber]

I would say tell them to stay on the higher parts of the Citadel where the lampsters are, and help them with getting a light source.

(and, if they need to face the spiders, help them figure out flash fruit)

[tranquil mulch]

Or take a Squidcada/Worm from CC

[icy bison]

True!

[teal timber]

That all depends on how arachnophobic they are OFC.

(sadly if you want to go to Memory Crypts you have to face the spiders, but if you don't-)

[lapis talon]

I checked the map and… do u?? There seems to be a route that you don’t.
(Attached: that route in which there are no spider spawns)

[teal timber]

oh hmmm, hadn't thought of that-

[narrow owl]

Spiders do tend to roam into that 4 way intersection on the right

Like yeah, you can avoid rooms they spawn in, but they won't necessarily stay in those rooms

[silver musk]

@modern harness since you are online #1284587325669638295 message

okay! <@&1137895527271379055> time

help with the soil pls

[modern harness]

Srry lol was gettin food

[silver musk]

fair enough thanks for the help!

[lime rover]

What's good guys?

[silver musk]

Huh

[lime rover]

I've been gone for a bit, hows y'all been?

[teal timber]

#1287217156018147398 message

[atomic locust]

smh @shrewd timber I was gonna let them have the reveal 🙄

[shrewd timber]

I TT HOUGHT THEY KNEW

[teal timber]

I just realized-

Scissor Vulture Priority Fix is (mis)named in the credits. I've spoiled everyone

[teal timber]

@shrewd timber
#old-post-fs message
Since Shroomie isn't message-searchable anymore I figure I should leave this here

Wait wrong person

@modern harness

[modern harness]

Aww

Wonder what happened

[teal timber]

... a good 80% of the people in that converesation have since left the server. I feel old.

[shrewd timber]

good mornin

[silver musk]

@teal timber #1291635638403338345 message

[modern harness]

Carpet

[silver musk]

@modern harness #1287099142295785542 message