Shark - Hunter playthrough

[odd otter]

Already a decent chunk through the game, just finally ||scaled The Wall|| and ||had 6G(rains) happen to me||

Turns out I am incredibly susceptible to natural camo

||are the extra 2 karma levels a buffer or will some doors require the extra ones?||

[stable geyser]

buffer

[odd otter]

are there any intended "out of bounds" secrets, or should I not bother trying to navigate areas like that? (as in places you can go offscreen but the camera doesn't follow you

for example

[winged cliff]

yeah you aren't meant to navigate off screen

there's one room in this region that is bugged but other than that you aren't supposed to

in any event the bugged room is not required for traversing the region

[odd otter]

[light light]

Average cretur activities

[fringe parrot]

he was proud of that throw too look at him

little victory dance

[safe karma]

most fair rw death of all time

[silk gyro]

HE HAD TO GET A RUNNING HEAD START

[hidden parcel]

scavenger shenanigans continue

[odd otter]

even though ||sky islands|| has a really nice rainbow, boy am i glad to be out

[maiden rampart]

you got emoted on

[mild matrix]

amazing

[odd otter]

scavs ||is 2 pearls enough for most toll booths?||

[mild matrix]

try giving them one, and see how they react first. scavs will try to communicate with certain gestures and you can use that to tell

[odd otter]

i was trying but the one in ||farm arrays|| seems like a pretty big hotspot for danger

i got lucky this time with 2 though

i think the game is telling me something

[turbid nimbus]

wym lucky

[odd otter]

I don't know if it was actually enough but there was a lizard to run distraction and they didn't spear me trying to kill it like the other couple times

[turbid nimbus]

tip: the scavengers use body language to communicate

tip 2: scavengers are very smart. When in doubt, think "what would i think if some wild animal did this to me"

[odd otter]

appreciate the help, but like I said earlier that spot was pretty much a danger zone so I couldn't really gauge their reactions all too well at the time

[odd otter]

is there any particular reason this dude is broken? it sparks up with the usual light but immediately dies before I can get there

[fringe parrot]

seems like you won't be able to get it currently, maybe it's active in different circumstances
I'd say don't worry about it for now at least

[odd otter]

lol ||I go out of my way to farm back up to full buffer for the first time after finding the first echo and accidentally run into Two Sprouts just to get filled to max in the process||

[maiden rampart]

you don't need to worry about it, but you could keep it in mind

[odd otter]

||MAGIC SUCKS GRAVITY HURTS||

i was so CLOSE

[odd otter]

i have not yet figured out the correct way to approach the chucksters

||crawling|| surprisingly worked for the first 2 but the third just scoops me

[maiden rampart]

Which regions have you explored so far?

Just curious

[turbid nimbus]

the who

[odd otter]

quite a few, hold on

[odd otter]

||gravity wizards in the Depths||

[turbid nimbus]

Ah

[odd otter]

||outskirts, industrial, chimney, citadel. shoreline. sky islands, farm arrays, exterior, subterranean as well as a few worlds not on the main menu screen like the wall, filtration system, depths and some others I'm probably forgetting. i have 2 of the echoes so far||

[maiden rampart]

finding 2 is honestly impressive on a first playthrough

I also found 2 but that's because my friend was in VC and he told me to go to those specific rooms

||which echoes did you find?||

[odd otter]

one was a COMPLETE accident purely from common sense

[hidden parcel]

i just found the easy two my first time

[odd otter]

||farm arrays, lets NOT full send jump off the cliff and hug the wall oh there's a door OH||

[maiden rampart]

ah so you got that one and ||the wall|| one

[odd otter]

yeah

[maiden rampart]

yeah those are the 2 my friend pointed me towards

I do remember, however - how much do you know about ||how echoes work?||

[odd otter]

||+2 levels of max karma as a buffer, immediately puts you at max, respawns you in last shelter, that's all I know||

[maiden rampart]

||well, you might've noticed the second one only gave you +1 karma as a buffer||

||if you got 2 echoes your max karma is currently 8||

[odd otter]

oh probably, ||I don't spend much time at max karma ||

[odd otter]

am I missing a specific item for ||the gravity mages in the depths?||

[mild matrix]

hmm... I don't think I wanna get too specific, but I will say; ||you cannot pass them as it stands.||

[odd otter]

i'm surprised god themselves hasn't come down and kicked my ass for the stupid shit I'm trying to make work

[mild matrix]

Honestly, big props to the effort you're putting into The Depths for this long

usually people just give up and turn around as soon as the guardians (That's their name, doesn't have any major significance) play basketball with them

[odd otter]

i'm very stubborn and ||there being no time factor|| means I get to experiment

[heavy grove]

Depths is legit a really cool place to explore

[odd otter]

i have an idea but it requires a very long and painful journey

[mild matrix]

my only peeve with depths is the fact that the corridors are completely unmarked so you have to bump your head against the ceiling 20 times or use the map

it's pretty fun otherwise

[odd otter]

what's the name(s) of the bugs you use to glide?

[heavy grove]

often called squidcadas

[odd otter]

I don't know how far back I'd have to go to smuggle one to the depths, I'll have to consult my maps tomorrow morning

[heavy grove]

If you would like a hint for your Depths exploration: ||There are other ways to explore in Depths||

[odd otter]

||I was pretty certain I hit every dead end I could but I'll double check tomorrow||

[turbid nimbus]

fun fact: if you try really really hard you may be able to pass

i mean obviously you wont

but

in theory

it is possible

[odd otter]

||I literally got like half a slugcat away, I just couldn't get into the doorway||

[turbid nimbus]

how??

what strats are you using

to get past SIX of them

[odd otter]

||i haven't reached that many yet, the hallway I'm trying has one then two, I've just been pounce rolling the best I can||

looks like I have something to look forward to trying to beat now

[heavy grove]

did you discover roll pouncing on your own or did the game tell you how

[odd otter]

I discovered sliding by accident and was like "wait is this a movement game" then accidentally an entire Google docs

[heavy grove]

oh ok

cause if you have loading screen tips enabled i highly recommend turning it off

[odd otter]

oh yeah I don't have anything from remix on yet, briefly turned it on for the death pit thing but it didn't help anyway

I initially spent like 5 minutes trying to slide by doing quarter circles (fighting game player) but I decided to just look it up

[heavy grove]

i recommend staying away from looking things up in the future, even things like roll pounces can significantly impact how you play the game

[stable geyser]

you can't

||cuz there's an invisible wall||

I DIDN'T

GRAHHHHHHH

[odd otter]

I'll admit it's definitely kept me alive in a few scenarios ||roll pouncing through grab weeds||

||I did at least want something to do during very long bridges and hallways though lol||

[turbid nimbus]

huh, didnt know that

so i guess i just did it and it worked and i didnt think much of it

[teal badge]

this would happen if jerma played rain world

[heavy grove]

He did

[teal badge]

o right

i dont think i could stand it honestly 😭 i like jerma but i cant look

[heavy grove]

oh btw shark you don't have to spoiler tag anything here

[real hamlet]

That's going in the Chart™️

[odd otter]

I wasn't sure about other people browsing the thread index catching stray messages and being spoiled that way

[stable geyser]

the list of threads in #1269808032276152451 only shows the first message

so you shoooould be fnie

[odd otter]

oh wait, is the karma level I need to get past?

[odd otter]

found the one path I missed

[winged cliff]

[odd otter]

ok I'm finally done trying to brute force it, time to passage...somewhere

i have a hunch but it's gonna suck

ok the wall is just unspearable so scratch that

[winged cliff]

there's nothing over there anyways

to the left at least

[odd otter]

i'm once again poking around exterior because my overseer keeps pointing that way

[stable geyser]

can I see your Exterior map?

[odd otter]

incoming image spam

i think that's everything?

[stable geyser]

Interesting

[real hamlet]

Map bugs

Preventing you from seeing unexplored room exits, too - I see one area ||at the top of image #9|| that should show as unexplored.

I don't see any others.

[odd otter]

yeah just found there myself, heh thanks

new door, time to thrive

...as soon as I say that I get myself stuck in a wall

[real hamlet]

... as in out of bounds?

Just so you know, the insides of walls are liquid, so you can swim back to reality if that ever happens.

[odd otter]

a very tight crevice at high speed

eventually wiggled out but couldn't save my life

[real hamlet]

Yeah, you can probably swim upwards to escape that.

[odd otter]

oh i don't like how good the gold/orange lizards are at tracking

[acoustic current]

I find them challenging to deal with in tight spaces and tunnels due to their abilities,

[odd otter]

i actually witnessed it sniffing out my scent on the floor for the first time

[real hamlet]

I do, it's kinda neat

[odd otter]

i have reached 5P (the area with the worrying subtitle)

[real hamlet]

Nice!

[acoustic current]

That’s great! How is it going?

[real hamlet]

I would assume they just got there

[odd otter]

I just saw what I have to dodge in zero G, so, bad!

[turbid nimbus]

its a fun area

[real hamlet]

And we don't have to worry about moving you to the next channel anymore with this format

[odd otter]

alright this is a big-ish question but

considering what happened when I ate the bugs next to the blue alien, is there any downsides to eating the similar creatures in this area?

[real hamlet]

||There's a bunch of 'em here, you won't make a dent in the population.||

[acoustic current]

That’s a great question, but it won’t cause a problem.

[odd otter]

THE GOOP ON THE WALLS

[real hamlet]

[acoustic current]

That stuff is nasty, isn’t it?

[odd otter]

i will not get gooped again

[maiden rampart]

The government don't want you to knoe this but the bugs are free, you can take them home. I have 458 /ref

[odd otter]

this area would be a lot cooler if the aliens weren't on turbo

[real hamlet]

WDYM?

[odd otter]

probably because of the reduced gravity but they seem to grab further and faster

there's also this guy, if he's not turbo idk what is

[real hamlet]

TRUE

that one in particular is funny like that

[odd otter]

GSB achieved, very intense visuals here and just beforehand

🔲

they seem nice

god I wanna do something stupid but it would be really hard

Would bringing them five pebbles actually do anything, I wonder

[maiden rampart]

You can try

Although based on what they said I don't think they enjoy your company all that much

(To be fair I'd also be mad if a rat rearranged my brain cells like that)

[odd otter]

i'll become their tulpa

[maiden rampart]

(And then on top of that demanded an audience from me)

((I think that's how you use that word? Idk))

[maiden rampart]

what's a tulpa

[odd otter]

essentially a manifestation of someone's thoughts as a physical being

also, there's a weird weather event at chimney canopy and I haven't ran into any enemies yet, strange

[maiden rampart]

maybe try to get a good vantage point

perhaps then you'll see what's causing this weird weather

[odd otter]

corpses falling from the sky...

ah I see

[odd otter]

map's kind of failing me at the moment

I get back to blue alien from shoreline, right?

trying to remember which shelter is closest

smuggling pearls from brain alien paid off

[pure root]

They are close to the rightmost shelter in Shoreline.

[odd otter]

literally just found it as you said lol, thank you

so I noticed the first time I came here before I did the bad thing and reloaded, what's with being able to see certain gold spirits now?

in rooms like these

ok there's a trail

they led me out of SHoreline to SHaded Citadel but there hasn't been a payoff or anything yet, maybe I missed one

nvm, more here too!

well they're all collecting in one spot now...but I don't know why

[light light]

There must be something interesting around there

[odd otter]

||that scared the hell out of me||

[turbid nimbus]

tf

happen

[odd otter]

physics hiccup i guess

[odd otter]

one side of the doorway is exits out to shaded citadel, the other side is a shelter and the path to memory scissors, I can't see anything in the vicinity that I've missed

[light light]

Well, something there must lead to somewhere if they like that spot so much

[maiden rampart]

Shark, do you remember the instructions given to you in the Five Pebbles region?

[odd otter]

somewhat, but that was related to the depths, wasn't it? or do you mean the part about "subverting the cycle" (paraphrasing)

[maiden rampart]

I meant what's described in the steam achievement "The Journey" which you recieve after talking to the thing in Five Pebbles

[odd otter]

yeah I thought that was pointing to the depths, I didn't think where I am currently was considered "west, past Farm Arrays"

[light light]

Wait youve been to FP

[maiden rampart]

Yeah

[light light]

Since when

[maiden rampart]

Since here

[odd otter]

couple hours ago, yeah

[maiden rampart]

(Check fp coordination chat)

[light light]

Ah

[odd otter]

since then I went to chimney and talked to the guy up top

then back to shoreline now I can actually converse with blue alien

then on the way back followed the golden spirits to this point

[maiden rampart]

So you know how echoes raise your max karma?

[odd otter]

yeah

i know being at max karma will allow the guardians to let me pass in the depths but what I was doing here felt like an indirectly linked side quest, if that makes sense

[light light]

Too much info?

[odd otter]

mission failed, pack it up time to start over /lh

[real hamlet]

Do you want a hint as to their purpose, or shall we leave that a mystery for now?

[maiden rampart]

Not sure honestly, relying on your judgement here

[odd otter]

i do kind of want a hint now that I'm here, yeah

i don't wanna run through scissors again and come back unless I have to

[real hamlet]

They can help those who are lost and alone. You probably are not either of those things, but they have appeared to you just in case.

[odd otter]

that was one inkling but i wasn't certain

i justalso wasn't sure if there was something specific in that spot that I needed to get

especially with the big circular, maybeakarmasymbol looking grate in the background lol

i really wish it showed on the map what exits lead to what areas

[maiden rampart]

That there to the left leads to ||Subterranean||

[light light]

Ahh, the map connection lines being glitched

How have they not fixed this yet

[real hamlet]

It's supposed to, at least for regular pipes.

(for gates, I suggest actually drawing up a world map if you're having large-scale navigation issues)

[odd otter]

alright, wanted to check. I feel like if I go to depths now the game is gonna end so I kinda want to look for more echoes but I don't have any more hunches

fun fact I did all of subterranean without any light source btw

[maiden rampart]

yikes that hurts

tbh so did I (almost)

I kept dying in filtration

[odd otter]

filtration is ROUGH

maybe I will just go to depths and whatever happens happens

[real hamlet]

Exploring Filtration lightless sounds """fun"""

I've done it lightless before but, y'know, only after exploring it with a light and memorizing its layout.

[odd otter]

...why did I take the upper route

[real hamlet]

That route took me quite a few playthroughs to see, good job

[odd otter]

liquid gold...

||do I go down past the swirling white tentacles or did I miss something||

[maiden rampart]

I did it with a map open in another tab

[maiden rampart]

||keep going down||

(To be fair that's really all you can do here)

[odd otter]

i felt like i bottomed out so I wasn't really sure

ok this is a very long section

[light light]

Are you in the dark area

[odd otter]

yes

[light light]

Follow the light

Hvae you been doing nothing but swim down for 15 minutes 😭

[odd otter]

absolutely

[light light]

Yet another has fallen victim...

We need a count for "Keeps swimming straight down"

[odd otter]

at least I'm not alone

alright i liked the ending

i would like to speak to the giant tapeworm's manager about that rollercoaster segment

also I'm slightly disappointed there is not endgame stats screen

so all I can tell you is 139 cycles

[pure root]

Honestly I think it is for the better imo

[odd otter]

i would LOVE to see how many deaths I have but I know others would be very unhappy

[real hamlet]

Stat screens are "immersion-breaking"

[real hamlet]

Welcome to the top 10% of Rain World players!

(according to Steam achievements)

You can now play as Luigi the Hunter

[odd otter]

oh I can post that I guess

[real hamlet]

Yeah, that's the advantage of this format. No moving channels

[real hamlet]

(the MSC version of these channels haven't changed yet, though, IDK how that'll work)

The Explorer

I think Nineteen Spades, Endless Reflections is the most impressive of those, it's pretty obscure

(it's also the rarest according to Steam)

[odd otter]

that's kind of surprising considering where it is

but I guess most people were like "ok I need to be out of here ASAP" and don't travel on foot

[pure root]

Honestly not a lot of people have much karma in CC.

And once you have enough karma there isn't any reason to stay there any longer, since you are only a few rooms away from a gate

[odd otter]

well I mean after FP the exit they give you put you at the top of the wall and you're at full karma

so it's just a case of going down (pretty easy) and across, then noticing the weird weather

[real hamlet]

It's not that simple.

For one, the Wall is hard, and for two, there's another factor I would rather not tell you about

[odd otter]

i would say upwards wall is hard. downwards wall is 50% easier, I'd say

much less things you have to actuall engage with, you can just drop and run for the most part

do you recommend going into hunter next or toggling remix and more slugs?

Shark playthrough 1 - completed

[real hamlet]

I would say play the Hunter first

just because the Hunter is vanilla

You can talk about the Hunter in here by the way, I think. You don't need to make another post.

[real hamlet]

Though the Hunter is

kinda hard

so my usual recommendation is to try it and see what it's like, but then if you decide it's too hard for you then give up on it and go do MSC instead.

[hidden parcel]

I went straight into MSC, only even played hunter recently
I would say playing it earlier is good

[odd otter]

is the green bug meant to be used for something since it's not edible?

actually now that I'm postgame I wanna ask this

what effects does cycle actually have?

[real hamlet]

WDYM?

[odd otter]

does being in later cycles have any mechanical bearing on anything

saw hunter starts on 19 so it reminded me to ask

[real hamlet]

I don't think so.

[maiden rampart]

I believe it influences difficulty a little bit, but I am not sure how.

[real hamlet]

yeah it might

[maiden rampart]

At least that's what the "New Dybamic Difficulty" Remix option would lead me to believe.

[real hamlet]

There's like a very tiny difficulty scaling mechanic but it doesn't affect much.

[maiden rampart]

But there technically is a difference yeah

[odd otter]

alright thanks

[pure root]

Dynamic difficulty is irrelevant for Monk or Hunter.

[real hamlet]

Oh, really?

[pure root]

Ye

[real hamlet]

Is it, like, always 0% for the Monk and always 100% for the Hunter? Or-

good to know

[pure root]

Always 0% for both

[real hamlet]

huh

odd

[maiden rampart]

hm, interesting

[odd otter]

is it worth keeping the green starter bug for any reason

[light light]

You do start with it
Maybe you can take it somewhere

[mild matrix]

use the human power of Pattern Recognition

[odd otter]

fair enough, I'll do the thing

[maiden rampart]

Where are you rn?

[odd otter]

at the start still, one shelter in

[maiden rampart]

Not gonna lie watching this thread is very fun

[odd otter]

I'm glad, "commentating" my gameplay isn't something I usually do but it's fun

does this game have a "bad" or "good" ending separate from what I just got?

[light light]

Not really, unless you count dying as a bad ending

[maiden rampart]

||Ascension is the only ending for Survivor||

[maiden rampart]

To be fair you can respawn

So not much of an "ending"

uninstalling is the bad ending

[odd otter]

part of me wants to play into the "hunter" part more heavily but i'd have to keep track of it manually I think

||kill at least one of everything||

[maiden rampart]

I mean, that would be pretty tough

I know not a lotta people have done it

[real hamlet]

Including the gravity mages?

[odd otter]

if they're killable, yes

I know they're hittable

[real hamlet]

They technically have health, but I would guess killing them requires either glitches or several weeks minimum of constant stabbing

[mild matrix]

Their HP Value: ||10,000,000||

(if you wanna know)

[real hamlet]

that's in spear throws

[mild matrix]

yuh

[odd otter]

yeah I'm not that insane

anything that's reasonably killable within like, 1 hour in perfect conditions

[real hamlet]

That's everything but the gravity mages and two other creatures.

... and the critter in Five Pebbles.

[hidden parcel]

You should be able to kill nearly everything
Some of them just might be pretty difficult

[odd otter]

critter as in the main brain alien? or something else?

[real hamlet]

yeah the alien

[odd otter]

damn

is there a remix setting for save stats at all?

[light light]

No

[odd otter]

guess I'll just record/note down kills as I do them

[odd otter]

if i do something cool I'll upload the footage but this'll do for now

[pure root]

Sounds like a cool idea but I recommend trying Hunter on its own first. It may not be as easy as it seems, and you can find where each creature can be found that way.

[odd otter]

oh that's a funny little bug, found a pole that accidentally goes offscreen for a veeeeeery long distance

[light light]

Yea that happens quite often

If geometry is near the edge of the screen it just goes forever

[odd otter]

quirk of the engine I guess

[stable geyser]

slugcat fly

[river raft]

That symbol.. you killed a vulture???

[odd otter]

nah that's just the weird stabby bug things

the ones that get angry if you eat their kids

[river raft]

I don’t think i’ve encountered those yet

but sounds cool! nice work

[stable geyser]

[odd otter]

once I get my movement a bit better it shouldn't be that bad to kill a vulture

if I can do it in arena as survivor I can do it as hunter

[river raft]

I’d imagine it’s quite difficult, I attempted it once in GW and my goodness when i tell you it was a challenge

i was throwing spears at it for a good ten minutes 😭

[river raft]

that’s sick that you’ve done it before technically

[pure root]

Certain parts take more or less damage, and hitting wings deals close to none of it.

[river raft]

Yet the wings are like 70% of their hitbox

[real hamlet]

If you want the technical details:
||There's a weird thing where the game's geometry bounds are slightly smaller than the actual level bounds, and they make up the difference by assuming everything at the edge of the geometry bounds extends forever ||
||Sometimes this works to prevent you from getting softlocked if you somehow get to the other side of a wall you weren't intended to, sometimes it leads to infinite poles ||

[odd otter]

interesting

[odd otter]

not a lot of time today

blue lizards are fucked up

but I kind of like them a lot

...I think that was my worst death yet

or at least the rudest

[odd otter]

is there a technique for judging how close you can crouch on an edge before rolling off?

trying to make a very tight jump (i think it's possible?)

[odd otter]

i think I speared the wall when doing it the opposite way on survivor but it's setup to make that really hard here

nvm

[real hamlet]

The map shows the exact geometry, in case the visuals are fuzzy.

[pure root]

For that one jump, I recommend either using mushrooms which you can find a next to the shelter, or learning roll pounces and using throwboosts.

[odd otter]

i need to practice spacing roll pounces and doing them on uneven floor

[pure root]

Yeah it's tough, but worth it imo.

[velvet crescent]

Oh that one jump made me die like 20ish times before I figured out the difference between Hunter movement and Survivor/Monk

good progress tho

[odd otter]

hunter seemed more nimble than survivor but maybe it's more nuanced than that and I'm not fully realising

[velvet crescent]

He's slightly faster, so to do advanced movement you need to first figure out how different it is from Survivor

[pure root]

Hunter walks 25% faster iirc

[velvet crescent]

I'd honestly suggest practicing rollpouncing in a safe environment prior to jumping over bottomless pits

[odd otter]

same shelter but gained a red spear

[true agate]

20%

Pole climbing speed is the one that's 25% faster

[odd otter]

do shrooms increase your jump distance?

i know time is slowed but that shouldn't affect how far I can pounce

[true agate]

Yeah

[odd otter]

might be handy for those tight sky island jumps then

Shark - Hunter playthrough

[maiden rampart]

I personally use ||a pounce with a double throwboost|| for all of the SI jumps

[odd otter]

but... my spears......

I can hit the rollpounce pretty consistently now at least for the one I was stuck on earlier

[maiden rampart]

You can throw the spear and then pick it up at your destination

Assuming you're jumping from the top part of the bridge

[odd otter]

scavs just yoinking things off you is so annoying lol

[odd otter]

gotta get my karma up for the door out of here

[odd otter]

officially out of sky islands for now

oh do echoes persist between characters?

[stable geyser]

wdym?

[odd otter]

chimney echo is active and talking to me and I still have translator

nvm the upgrade kicked if after the dialog

still interesting I have translator though

NEW VULTURE

[real hamlet]

[real hamlet]

[odd otter]

i think chimney canopy will be good fun and good practice

[stable geyser]

i almost instinctively said "spoiler that" because i forgot about the new forums for a sec

[odd otter]

lol

also I found a bug

if you pause at the frame that the game tries to put the game over screen on, it can let you live sometimes

[stable geyser]

wdym by let you live?

[odd otter]

as in escape and move

[light light]

Were you bitten by a lizard

[odd otter]

yes

[light light]

Normal behavior

[odd otter]

really? it played the death gong and everything

[light light]

Pay close attention to your eyes when your bitten
And to the sounds that play

[odd otter]

i guess my eyes were still active, once i could see them, the noise just threw me off

and it only ever happens when I'm pausing trying to quickly go next, but if you're sure

[stable geyser]

Did it just fall?

[light light]

correlation =/= causation

[hidden parcel]

the lizard just fully letting go is very funny
byeah, they don't kill you on grab every time

[stable geyser]

Yeah grab != kill

[light light]

If you need another hint

Pay attention to how quickly the game tells you youre dead once bitten

[odd otter]

good milestone to go to bed

[hidden parcel]

absolutely stacked hunter lmao

[real hamlet]

That is not a bug and it has nothing to do with frame-perfect pausing

[turbid nimbus]

Wait wait

The lizard is releasing them?

without them doing anything?

[light light]

They got bad grip sometimes

[fallen bane]

truly is a skill issue

[hexed drum]

how did you end up doing this jump?

[odd otter]

I did it by roll pouncing in some attempts and with a mushroom in other attempts

[odd otter]

do spear vultures just call reinforcements when injured? is this preventable?

[light light]

They dont

[odd otter]

sometimes one flies away midfight and then like 3 fresh ones just drop on me, guess I'm unlucky

[fringe parrot]

Yea it just be like that

[real hamlet]

Also, nice job on this

[odd otter]

Thanks, I just need to get my movement good enough to fight them and win consistently

[maiden rampart]

I'm gonna be honest here even with 200 hours in this game I have never got a KV mask from killing a KV

I only ever got it in item rando

So the KV kill is really impressive

[odd otter]

is there a bugged vulture spawn on chimney canopy btw?

seen this quite a few times (top left)

[pure root]

Vultures really like that spot for some reason, a one-tile wide tunnel that extends infinitely upwards.

[odd otter]

only one kill but I feel like I could have gotten more if they hadn't ran

,,,something strange is happening

there was a weird noise when I woke up from shelter

and I don't like THIS ONE BIT

[hidden parcel]

[odd otter]

oh. ok.

I didn't know this was a thing

did I not progress fast enough?

anyway here's all the shit I fought the cycle before whatever the fuck just happened

if there are any special conditions I have to avoid, let me know

[noble jasper]

yeah, hunter is the extra extra hard mode, its cycles count down instead of up, so you gotta have a route preplanned and not waste any cycles

i haven't beaten it though, it's still to hard for me 😭

[odd otter]

does anything replenish cycles or is it just what you get at the start?

[turbid nimbus]

nope

all on your own

First one just isnt true

second one is spoilers

[odd otter]

5p isn't mandatory for a run, is it?

god I need to fully evaluate if i know enough about this game to do this

[turbid nimbus]

No

You should go there though

Theres an echo

In wall

[odd otter]

true but I can get that the other way around I think

I'd have to look at the maps again

I'm like

tilted in a good way

how many cycles is it again? 18?

[true agate]

You have a counter visible at the game's start

[true agate]

Also, the game doesn't make it fully obvious though it's logical that you have to do it, hibernate after meeting FP instead of meeting an Echo on the same cycle

Saying this early to prevent later frustration, since meeting an Echo on the same cycle as FP is a common routing choice without the knowledge that one of benefits is reset without saving.

[odd otter]

I'm already away from my pc and couldn't quite remember, in bed ruminating plotting

[true agate]

The score screen shows 19 successful hibernations before it kicked in.

[real hamlet]

Welcome to the Hunter

Your trial run is complete. Good luck

[odd otter]

how hard did you laugh when I talked about killing one of everything

[real hamlet]

a bit

[real hamlet]

This part was funnier, though

Later cycles have no mechanical bearing

We said nothing about earlier ones

[odd otter]

[true agate]

Killing one of everything is fairly possible, and one of the server challenges actually has that as the requirement

Though probably not on a first Hunter playthrough

[real hamlet]

So, yes, you start on cycle 19, but ||the counter goes down this time||

[real hamlet]

Watching ||the cycle counter go unnoticed|| in clips like these was also a lot of fun

[hidden parcel]

it was quite amusing

now you know how hunter works lol

[real hamlet]

This is why we said you shouldn't force yourself to finish the Hunter before the DLC if you think it's too hard for you

[hidden parcel]

the time pressure cranks the difficulty well above how it would be with a normal cycle timer

[real hamlet]

If you wanna try again then by all means do so, though, if you're enjoying it

[odd otter]

oh I definitely am

[hidden parcel]

good luck
now you know a bit more about what you have to do lol

[real hamlet]

Now you can plan

[mild matrix]

thanks discord

[odd otter]

but I don't know if I want to do a monk run or another survivor to get more map knowledge

[mild matrix]

message sent to the void

[hidden parcel]

damn...

[hidden parcel]

it's not a bad idea to plot out a rough route in monk/surviv first

ofc you could also just wing it

[real hamlet]

And if you plan to play the DLC, you can use it for "practice" and come back afterwards

[hidden parcel]

my only hunter run was planned out till pebbles, then rapidly fell apart as i completely failed to traverse chimney and got dragged along limping through the rest of the game

[odd otter]

ok I have 2 slightly spoilery questions

[real hamlet]

That's how they tend to go

[hidden parcel]

only actually failed Saint in shoreline tho

[odd otter]

is the pearl you start with enough to make the scavs neutral

are the toll booths still up

[real hamlet]

My first successful Hunter run got sorta far just because I got spoiled on the cycle thing halfway through

[hidden parcel]

i already knew everything about hunter due to forgetting i hadn't actually finished it lol

so i was fully prepared to rush through the first half of the campaign

[odd otter]

because having scavs just spawn outside your shelter is miserable most of the time

[real hamlet]

• ||The scavengers value it of course, but not particularly.||
• ||Why wouldn't they be ||

[odd otter]

I don't know if I should even bother or just kill them on sight every time

[fringe parrot]

Your rep starts on negative but every cycle it rises little by little to eventually be neutral

So if you just ignore them they’re neutral a bit less aggressive after a few cycles

Tho neutral isn’t “friendly” it is still neutral
So they’ll still be aggressive but it’ll take less trading with them to make them friendly

[pure root]

It is still possible but I recommend trying to finish Hunter without any other goals first.
Just, before starting the second Hunter run, try to plan your route, and account for mistakes that will inevitably happen to anyone.

[hidden parcel]

neutral meaning they will MURDER you if you do anything vaguely threatening or annoying in their general area

[true agate]

not fully true will detail some technical details elsewhere

[fringe parrot]

Fixed

[odd otter]

i wish deer were consistent

[odd otter]

experimenting

[odd otter]

what's the minimum karma to see echoes?

[odd otter]

ok so I can get echo in sub but purely because the deer show up (or don't) whenever they feel like it, I don't know if it's realistic to try and get back

[odd otter]

perfect, thanks

[odd otter]

i love deleting my save because I keep fucking up step 1

[light light]

You can keep going even if you mess up

It doesnt need to be completely perfect

[odd otter]

for the start I kind of need to otherwise I waste like 2 cycles on nothing

[light light]

I mean

Despite what you think you have a lot of leeway

[odd otter]

i probably do but I don't wanna waste it this early because I missed my bus

('i'm riding the starting room deer to sub, sheltering there, taking the door and hitting the echo then taking the deer back to where i came)

[light light]

Oh, thats
A route

Never seen that one before

[odd otter]

and I restart because if I die and respawn normally the deer either doesn't spawn or takes half a cycle

[light light]

Are you tryna get all echoes or?

[odd otter]

I'd like to get as many as I can, i don't think I know where all echoes are yet and as I've learned I have little time to explore

I have a theory about where one might be in sly islands but don't know for certain

[odd otter]

it's slightly finnicky

god I hate scavs so much

[maiden rampart]

I messed up the execution reslly hard on my hunter run and I still had 4 cycles to spare by the time I made it to subterranean

[odd otter]

i'm just apprehensive about dying with karma because that means losing cycles to no progress

[maiden rampart]

You can always do a starve cycle if need be

[odd otter]

question

is FP''s secondary entrance closed until he opens it for you?

as in, can I get in from the wall

[light light]

All gates are open anytime

He doesnt open anything for you its just there

[maiden rampart]

Yeah he just sends you out through tjere because he doesn't want you frolicking in [his] memory arrays