secret-stories-misc

[lofty echo]

White Christmas is a German myth

[fringe anchor]

Middle of nowhere vibes /lh

[lofty echo]

It is in the middle of nowhere

That’s wastewater treatment for you.

[open matrix]

just let it become a reality again, at least this year

[iron totem]

It's always so pretty when the snow has recently fallen and all trees have a layer on them

I've always loved ice and snow; the grand taiga biome is my favourite minecraft biome

Taiga and jungle to be precise, love the badlands as well. Perfect for building.

[open matrix]

snow is already beginning to melt again, a shame

[iron totem]

Aww.

[meager moat]

i can just feel the cold from this video

that may or may not have to do with how cold it is here tho

[lofty echo]

Only -5 degrees Celsius

My Canadian bud would say warm weather

[trim tartan]

They don't count, they wear shorts in that weather.

[lime ingot]

That's extremely warm if you live away from any shores

[lofty echo]

In which book is -5 extremely warm?

[unkempt yew]

No

[lime ingot]

Well it feels pretty chilly but in comparison to like -30 on the shore then yeah that is very warm

[unkempt yew]

What???

[lime ingot]

Moisture is a temperature multiplier

There fore -5 while living next to a shore will feel like -10 inland

Because alot of moisture in the air

[unkempt yew]

I considered 35°c is warm

Also, enjoying my cheese ice cream tonight

[limpid ore]

whar?

[austere hawk]

I want snow so pretty

[limpid ore]

ME TOO OMG I WANT TO BUILD A SNOWMAN

Snow cool and great

[trim tartan]

No.

Don’t plan to.

…Raven?

You alright?

[iron totem]

Sorry, felt a bit awkward.

[fringe anchor]

[iron totem]

Alright, have a good day

[austere hawk]

Happens!

[austere hawk]

Mmm why thank you I think I will I’m taking today off from school

Maybe I’ll even write? Hmm

[fringe anchor]

[iron totem]

As long as you have fun

[limpid ore]

[open matrix]

biking to work and back with those temperatures is hell

and you get snow in your face as well

but drivers licences are so expensive

[lofty echo]

At least to this point a bus will take me

[austere hawk]

poker night anyone? @night lily ?

[night lily]

Sure! Starting now? I have to grab coffee first

[austere hawk]

yep suburban

[limpid ore]

what if i dont know how to play poker

[austere hawk]

I didn't

it was fine

you'll just be confused for a bit but it's fun!

Anyone is welcome :3c

[night lily]

I have to leave for now, but if anyone is interested, now the game is something very related to stories chat

[limpid ore]

holy shit my account is 5 years old??????????

woah

[iron totem]

And you call banan old? /lh

Experienced veteran.

[limpid ore]

it seems i was 15 when i started writing

[sonic remnant]

If you haven't told others yet, we now know your age

[limpid ore]

i told yall when i turned 20

[sonic remnant]

Kewl

[molten cairn]

yall look at my little rewrite of the first warriors book!!
(only half a prolouge and thunderclan allegiances )
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FDCq4lato9BIaOVmCcFWEKaWkkvIWk5nFoHRhqlksV0/edit?usp=sharing

[fringe anchor]

just heard slime mold being called "mac 'n cheese"

[limpid ore]

[unkempt yew]

Hey, a random artist just dumped me an art and they said, "Do whatever you will." And agreed to be anonymous.

ORTERS, RATE THEIR ART

[fringe anchor]

I like the artstyle

[unkempt yew]

The first and probably last they will draw the scug as I told them about the progression of character development ||(giving them trauma) ||

[night lily]

Wawa/10

[unkempt yew]

The anonymous artist just randomly dropped their ort on me

Nvm, got chat

[unkempt yew]

-# This is the reply of the anonymous artist

[limpid ore]

this reminds me of the kagune from tokyo ghoul

[unkempt yew]

You remind me season one again

[limpid ore]

still my favorite anime ever

ive also read nine volumes of tokyo ghoul:re

[unkempt yew]

Been so long of tokyo ghoul

[limpid ore]

real

[unkempt yew]

I'm still on the first season for 9 years now

Because relatives told me the other seasons were bad

[limpid ore]

season two is iffy but very heartbreaking for the ending

[unkempt yew]

Why do everything ends with sad?

[limpid ore]

i havent been able to watch :re so i dunno abt it. ive only read nine volumes of its mange

manga

fuck i just woke up

[unkempt yew]

[meager moat]

[unkempt yew]

Progression is imminent

[meager moat]

Just leave the OCs alone!!!! /lh

[unkempt yew]

As just they chatted me

I will.... Only if it's a different oc /nsrs

[meager moat]

What did they ever do to make you do this?! /lh /silly

[unkempt yew]

Nothing but only for entertainment of the audience 🫵 /lh /silly

[iron totem]

@austere hawk Some good vanilla plus mods I recommend are:
Push to meow
Lizard eggs
Pups+
Pups for everyone

Must have mods:
Merge fix (Fixes a lot of the bugs in the game, is allowed for speedruns and challenges. It also makes mod loading better)

Regions:
Shrouded assembly (new creatures, items, regions. Super high quality)
Preservatory + hanging gardens (Preservatory is mod of the year for me. Go in blind, it is really special. These two regions connect to shrouded assembly, coral caves, stormy coast. Coral caves and stormy coast will be in the dlc, though, so up to you if you want to enable them)
Sunlit trail (New region expansion, adds a lot of creatures and regions)

[austere hawk]

Can you get preservatory without the watcher regions?

[iron totem]

Yeah

[austere hawk]

I really wanna go into watcher as blind as possible

[limpid ore]

i also recommend sunlit trail. so pretty

[velvet gust]

I hate the ending for the preservatory mod. :/

[iron totem]

It connects to shrouded assembly region, namely ||steaming edifice|| (region name spoiler)

[austere hawk]

I’ll finish surv and see if cy wants to go through shrouded and perservatory

[iron totem]

Shhhh
||I love it, I think it's very well done. || (don't click banan)

[austere hawk]

Thank you for the recommendations!

[velvet gust]

Also don't click: || It is well done, I just hate that fate for the slugcats. :( ||

[iron totem]

||Arguably it is a good ending, though. Very bittersweet. Does it really matter if the new reality isn't "real"? It is a happy one.|| (huge preservatory spoilers, don't click)

[austere hawk]

Aughhhh

I wanna click

[velvet gust]

I've seen a mod for Hunter floating around too, that adds another ending/adds an NSH area.

[limpid ore]

soilers

[iron totem]

Yeah, I didn't like it, though.

[austere hawk]

What does lizard eggs do I mean obviously, lizard eggs, but it that like a hatch to tame thing?

[iron totem]

The NSH area is FP's rooms but green, literally.

[iron totem]

Yes
It is a scrapped alpha feature, it's very well done.

[austere hawk]

[velvet gust]

(More preservatory spoilers) || I would say it does matter, since it's just an illusion - i.e, in Survivor's ending, Monk never gets to be with them again; in Artificer's, the pups never reunite with their mom again, etc. It's just giving up and taking a hollow illusion, instead of ever getting what they actually were after, and that's just... sad. :( ||

[austere hawk]

So much block, so much unclickable block

[velvet gust]

Here, you can click on this one: || Wheeeeeeeee! ||

[limpid ore]

soiler immune (i will forget later)

[austere hawk]

Thank you I needed that

[night lily]

I still haven't made it to the preservatory yet still in the H||anging|| G||arden||

[velvet gust]

You're || welcome. ||

[iron totem]

Two other goated regions are Arid Barrens and Gilded Sanctuary

The mast is super good too

Huge changes depending on the timeline

[night lily]

The Mast's ||very top|| is so good

[austere hawk]

Does that take you up one of those huge spires?

[iron totem]

Maybe...

[austere hawk]

[iron totem]

It has a new ending location for spearmaster, just sayin'

[austere hawk]

Mods… finally, mods

[iron totem]

Lemme know if you need help finding preservatory, it is a little hidden away.

Oh, I almost forogt

Check out the escort

[night lily]

||kinda disappointing to me imo, then again I misread it at first as new ending not just location||

[iron totem]

Best modded scug.

[austere hawk]

So manyyyy

Okay which should I add now (doing vanilla campaigns)

[iron totem]

Shrouded assembly, hanging gardens and preservatory

[austere hawk]

[iron totem]

Those are my recommendations.

[austere hawk]

Aye aye

[iron totem]

If you need help, lemme know.

[austere hawk]

Okay!

Appreciated

[iron totem]

Recommended scug is surv

[austere hawk]

Also I got spoilered on oneshot by a random YouTube video

Hit me with the one line big spoiler. Or maybe it’s not that big idk

[night lily]

What is it? maybe it's not that big

[austere hawk]

||that the title is literal||

||you’ve got one shot and lil buddy doesn’t make it if you leave ||

Maybe that’s not a big deal to know

[iron totem]

Ah, it tells you early

No biggie

[austere hawk]

Oh good

[iron totem]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nooit77Fids

I love shrembly's music

[night lily]

Oh, that's probably the first/old version too, ||in the current version you can't really 'leave'||

[austere hawk]

I wanna go in blind I trust you that it’s good

I especially wanna be surprised by any new creature additions

Since with original RW I had most of the wildlife spoiled by the ecosystem video that first got me interested

[iron totem]

The hardest part with playing modded is actually finding the region gates

[austere hawk]

Can you point me in the right direction? I’m currently at the sky islands/chimney gate

[iron totem]

||Farm arrays||

[wind bloom]

i heard complaint of camerascroll and I raise you Screen Peek

[austere hawk]

Cool, time to get lost in the worst region

[austere hawk]

👀

[iron totem]

The specific room: ||Farm arrays, near the scav treasury.https://rain-world-downpour-map.github.io/map.html?slugcat=yellow&region=LF&room=LF_C01||

[night lily]

I had a hard time finding the entrance to Far Shore before

[austere hawk]

Let’s you see adjacent screens?

[austere hawk]

Should I try to find it on my own first or is it really obtuse

[iron totem]

Don't download camera scroll, it increases load times and has a bunch of graphical glitches

[wind bloom]

ya. keybind + direction to look at screen above, below, beside you

[austere hawk]

I won’t, I dislike it

[iron totem]

Uh, up to you.

[austere hawk]

This seems muuuch better than scroll

[iron totem]

If you just want to try the regions without exploring vanilla stuff, check the message I sent you

[austere hawk]

Do these mods make any changes to vanilla regions, like adding creatures

[iron totem]

Some do

[austere hawk]

[iron totem]

You have to start a new campaign for it, though

[austere hawk]

Ah

I am mid campaign

Maybe I’ll finish it up vanilla and then do the regions

[iron totem]

None of the mods I've recommended to you change vanilla region spawns

[austere hawk]

@iron totem

[iron totem]

Qhar?

[austere hawk]

I have all the required mods.... the only thing missing is 'forsaken station code stuff' but that's not listed in workshop?

[iron totem]

Can you enable it?

[austere hawk]

no

[iron totem]

The mod I mean, not code stuff

Lemme ask in #modded-gameplay

[iron totem]

https://discordapp.com/channels/291184728944410624/628072652736561172/1310316455807553556

I think the mod devs forgot to update the dependencies

[austere hawk]

silly devs

[swift badge]

A

[limpid ore]

do you guys like merfolk

[swift badge]

[iron totem]

🐟

[limpid ore]

i keep drawing some help i am obsessed

[swift badge]

I love fish

Uh

I dont really like people

But people fish make it better

[iron totem]

Um, isn't this a squid, actually? /lh

Lovely art

[unkempt yew]

I do love eating some sea creatures (either shellfish or fish)

[limpid ore]

sea guy

[limpid ore]

vampire squid!

[iron totem]

Love it

Vampire squids are so cool.

[limpid ore]

red my favorite color

[unkempt yew]

Ah yee, the vampire squi-

remembered a certain video, triggered thalassophobia

-# but still, they look rad

[iron totem]

This one is so cool. Blue-ringed octopus. Don't touch it, though.

It's very venomous

[unkempt yew]

A small beak can deliver high toxins

[iron totem]

Octopuses have really large neurons

They're so cool

[unkempt yew]

And really squishy despite being big brained

[limpid ore]

the only hard part of their bodies is the beak

[iron totem]

Beautiful

Well, gotta go now

Goodnight, nerds /lh

[limpid ore]

[unkempt yew]

[swift badge]

Omg i love fish so much

[iron totem]

A cool saint interpretation

https://discordapp.com/channels/291184728944410624/1125237384318046339/1267656511451304059

Not sure I agree with it, but it is cool.

[swift badge]

Msc lore is scary

[unkempt yew]

[velvet gust]

Not sure I agree with that... I do think Saint is an Echo and have my own headcanon about what it is, but I don't think the normal Echoes work that way. We are able to see from the other campaigns that the Echoes have some influence on the world around them, and even though it's hard to say what would be different between an Ancient and a slugcat Echo, you would think Saint would have some influence outside itself, too.

The Ancient Echoes seemed to be painfully aware they couldn't do anything beyond watch the world around them and talk to creatures, so you would think Saint would experience that too, if it was just as trapped as the other Echoes. Not have a hallucination where it changed things.

Plus in the ending art Saint is just holding the threads that are tying up the other Echoes, which I think symbolizes it isn't as trapped as they were.

-rambles-

[iron totem]

Holding? It seems like those things are a part of them now.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1146931199319756920/1178835818857648188/wyi.gif

As you can see, what used to be their arms and legs now are the echo tendrils.

I don't think saint is a normal echo, though.

[wind bloom]

Okay so this is very fixable until the mod author updates the reqs file- you can update it yourself. If you open steam, scroll through your library to Rain World, right click → Manage → Browse Local Files it'll open up the games files. You can click "steamapps" in the explorer address bar to go back to that folder and find the workshop folder. You're going in there according to the folders you can see in the first image.
312520 is Rain World's steam ID, 3316476691 is the mod's workshop ID.
Then you just open the modinfo file (highlighted) and remove the requirement from the dependency list (highlighted again)

I just went and did this myself

And as far as I can tell- yeah, it works. I loaded into the regions fine

[velvet gust]

The right-angles for the 'threads' just seem different to me. It's like Saint's hands/feet are resting on the threads, or that it's holding the threads (think like a spear?). Plus the threads don't all pull to one spot, like with the Ancient Echo; they're just kind of all out to the sides. If each one is supposed to be a karma level - gluttony, rage, etc - it could symbolize that Saint has a connection to them, allowing it to get 'back' from the void sea, but isn't tied down by them, the way the other Echoes are.

[iron totem]

Hmm, interesting?

[velvet gust]

Or it could be something related to ascension. The golden shades we see on creatures in the Rubicon, or in the Survivor ascension endings. It might be more related to what's beyond the void sea than with being drawn back to the cycle.

[fringe anchor]

It could also just be that whoever made that art went "damn, echo saint looks kickass, i'm gonna draw them like this"

[iron totem]

Actually, saint's ending is one of the few things the devs agreed upon.

#downpour-lore message As stated by one of the devs.

[fringe peak]

interesting, I wonder what that would mean

(at this point I interpret Saint basically became like Jess from the movie triangle)

[velvet gust]

Now the question is just if anybody has figured out what that agreed-upon meaning is, or if we need to keep being detectives still. :O

[night lily]

fellow Triangle enjoyer

Still thinking about that movie from time to time

[night lily]

Sadly even if someone has the right guess, the devs probably won't say a thing anyway

[velvet gust]

True. Part of the fun with Saint is in trying to understand it, so giving a definitive answer would ruin a lot of the experience. :(

[trim tartan]

Rain World thrives on ambiguity and leaving things for the player to figure out.

[velvet gust]

I know, it's great. :D

[trim tartan]

One of the things Vanilla does better than MSC, in my humble opinion.

You don’t know what the Iterators are like among themselves.

Well, you do…

But they don’t have this human air around them. They’re formal, they never say a word outside what’s needed.

It’s also why more content isn’t always better, though I do really like what MSC adds to the lore table.

[trim tartan]

You never get to know them. So much of their personality is left a mystery.

[unkempt yew]

[velvet gust]

I really like that even though Rain World doesn't tell you all the answers, you still know there are answers - we might not know what the details are, but we know the developers and writers had a reason and some way it all tied together. It wasn’t just thrown in to keep us guessing; it does all make sense somehow.

[trim tartan]

There are pieces, they're just not assembled for you.

The world doesn't care what you know or don't about it.

[velvet gust]

But the pieces do fit together, so it's worth trying to puzzle it out. ^_^

I played another game recently where I just felt click-baited; it kept throwing interesting stuff at me, but by the end none of it fit anywhere or made any sense. It just felt like the writers said "this is stuff sci-fi fans like; we'll throw it in to keep them hooked!" without ever asking why the stuff was there. Very frustrating. :/

[trim tartan]

Because Rain World was made to be a game, everything else followed naturally.

Sure, there's some inconsistencies here and there, but those are pretty rare, as much as I like to criticise it for the inconsistencies.

[velvet gust]

Well, I mean it was made to be a world. It wasn’t just focused on the button-mashing experience; it put effort into music, creature interactions, etc. It kept asking 'why is this here?' and 'what effect does this have?' with everything it added, not just 'what will keep the player sinking hours in'.

[trim tartan]

Ironically, this exact process is what makes players keep sinking endless hours in.

It's really addicting to try and get that one perfect run.

[velvet gust]

Yup. They could tell the developers respected their time.

[trim tartan]

Trust me. I'm no speedrunner, but I have tried so much to get a great Hunter start.

And though I get frustrated that I can't do it, the world is just so interesting.

[velvet gust]

I'm not even going to try Hunter; I'm just awful at making the jumps. I know I'd burn all my cycles trying to recover karma from some of those high areas.

[trim tartan]

You'll never really know everything about Rain World, and that's beautiful.

There's some obscure interaction that's theoretically possible, but happens once in a blue moon.

Makes you wonder why it was even added, but you're all the more grateful for it.

As an example, Saint can ||hold noots and batflies without killing them||.

Something more obscure, when you ||try to eat batflies upon attunement, you ascend them instead||.

Why? Who would try that?

Not a lot of people.

Why add it?

[velvet gust]

And yet somebody tried it, and figured out it was a thing. :D

I bet the devs were just as happy as the players were to see that the breadcrumbs had been picked up.

[trim tartan]

Exactly!

They built an open-world game, not a movie.

Well, as open-world as Rain World can get.

There's a reason your game has to be a game, and Rain World has all the right reasons.

[velvet gust]

Yepyep - and they made sure to appeal to a wide range of gamers. Platformers in it for the challenges, explorers in it for the new discoveries, story addicts like me wanting mysteries and drama, music appreciators, and so on.

[trim tartan]

And when you happen to like a lot of its aspects, you basically unlocked an addiction.

[iron totem]

I don't recommend it.

Play like you normally would; if you die a lot farm karma. Give every run your best.

That's my recommendation. Up to you of course

[iron totem]

You can go through SU instead of SI.
That's what I like to do. (More creatures there so more score points)

I played hunter right after surv with very little movement knowledge

Failed my first runs but then I got it.

You can do it (if you want. There's also no shame in increasing the hunter cycles if the permadeath stresses you out)

[austere hawk]

Ooo I’ll give this a shot

[wind bloom]

design an iterator banan

[austere hawk]

@wind bloom I got A+, Net, security and project

CompTIA is mindnumbing

[wind bloom]

I dropped outta college so I never even finished my degree

[austere hawk]

I have one but it’s secret

[austere hawk]

Never too late, I guess. I mean I’m like 30 and just now getting mine… money is a problem though

[wind bloom]

money is a problem and I already spent all my grant money

[austere hawk]

I’m doing WGU (self-paced, online)

[wind bloom]

already way in debt

[austere hawk]

Aughhh

The system is broke

[wind bloom]

I got a book on Linux Pro Institute cert though if you ever need help studying linux stuff

[austere hawk]

My parents paid for the degree… I pay for my living etc but yeah. I don’t think I would have been able to do it without them

[wind bloom]

yeah I ain't got that lmao

[austere hawk]

I got a Linux cert (part of one, technically) for a class

[wind bloom]

many siblings so parents said "you're on your own"

[austere hawk]

You could probably get a helpdesk role honestly, you seem like you’d be good at it

[wind bloom]

I've interned in it before too

went to a trade school, did internship at a college IT department for like 2 weeks

[austere hawk]

Hey that’s something

Might as well try

Or you could make a portfolio of cool projects to levy

[wind bloom]

nothing around here hires

[austere hawk]

[wind bloom]

they all outsource to a place that doesn't seem to hire from anywhere public

[austere hawk]

The overseas outsourcing of entry level tech jobs is a problem

[wind bloom]

it's not even overseas that I can see

it's just this place provides the service but they don't have a hiring department you can contact

I assume it's all through a hiring agency

but like, I'm not qualified enough to make it past the automated checks

[velvet gust]

Azure certs are in fairly high demand, if you can get one of those (for server management/cloud computing). CCNA looks really good on a resume too, if you're more into network stuff.

[wind bloom]

I took the class for Azure in college so I could probably get that one

[austere hawk]

Have you tried any of the big recruiting companies? You might not be paid well, but experience is experience…

[velvet gust]

That'll open some remote jobs too, since you probably won't have to be on-site for most stuff.

[austere hawk]

Also are you willing to move

[wind bloom]

If I could afford to move I would have already

[austere hawk]

So… a lot of midwestern states get kind of desperate for hires

And other rural states

They’ll pay for your move and probably pay alright

That’s my desperation option if nothing else works out

[velvet gust]

If you have server skills you can probably negotiate for the company to pay to relocate you.

[wind bloom]

I don't have the certs or the money to get them

[austere hawk]

No money is tough

[velvet gust]

That is a problem. :(

If you can stand working at, shudder, a callcenter, then a lot of times they'll do reimbursement for certs and stuff.

But those are horrible places to work for.

[austere hawk]

I just DoorDash to pay for food and rent

[wind bloom]

mood

sucks in my area though

they compounded like 4 cities together into one dash zone

[austere hawk]

But I don’t have to do it full time since I do have my slowly diminishing savings

Could be enough to get you a+ at least, though

[wind bloom]

"oh hey will you please drive 50 miles to pickup and deliver this food?? for uhhh $12??

[austere hawk]

So real

I have a like 5% acceptance rate

[wind bloom]

mine is high

I think it's like 90

[austere hawk]

I’m not convinced there’s any punishment for having a low one

[wind bloom]

cause I try to keep the special status thing

[austere hawk]

I still get offers

[wind bloom]

I literally can't get in to dash unless it's "busy" and it's never busy here

[austere hawk]

I think the special status isn’t worth it

[wind bloom]

so I need the "dash anytime" reward thing

[austere hawk]

Can’t schedule?

[wind bloom]

No

[austere hawk]

Yeesh

[wind bloom]

There's never time on the schedule

[austere hawk]

I thought there wasn’t but I was misunderstanding how the schedule times work

[wind bloom]

maybe a "would you like to dash for 30 minutes in the least busy part of the day?"

[austere hawk]

Ugh

[wind bloom]

yeah there's 2 slots in the next week

and they're both in the 3-4am area

[austere hawk]

For the longest time I didn’t realize that the stupid time slots on my schedule (1am-2am) or whatever were actually listings for 1am previous day to 2am next day so you could schedule anything in that 24 hours

I’m just kinda dumb though

[wind bloom]

yeah no, mine are only for an hour inside the same day

[austere hawk]

rip

I do live in a populated area

[wind bloom]

I def don't

same reason they bundled a bunch of cities

[austere hawk]

It’s tough out there

[iron totem]

Wish y'all the best of luck

Searching for a job can be tough.

[fringe anchor]

Yeah, good luck y'all, stay frosty

[limpid ore]

it seems iron is responsible for the red color of hemoglobin in mammals

interesting

[edgy scroll]

it's also why it turns brown in the air

[limpid ore]

this is not from my leech research, but for a silly magic lady that eats metal

i needed to find reasons for the color of her blood and did blood research

[swift badge]

[limpid ore]

probably gonna be a mixture of a higher iron concentration and it being more deoxygenated

she probably has excessive blood clotting too which would explain why her blood is so sticky- and would explain why she requires two hearts to push blood through her body

[unkempt yew]

Yee

[limpid ore]

this may prove useful in the future for the woaf leeches

[unkempt yew]

[limpid ore]

a blood clot is called a thrombus

[scenic escarp]

Ain't that the shape that is a quadrilateral whose four sides all have the same length

[limpid ore]

rhombus

[unkempt yew]

[swift badge]

[meager moat]

i dont think that even covers gas

[unkempt yew]

Hm, lemme convert something

Holy shit, 80 km?!

[meager moat]

x1.6

[unkempt yew]

126?!

[meager moat]

no

i ment miles to km is 1.6x sorry

[iron totem]

Average yeehaw distance between cities.

[meager moat]

and km to miles is 0.625x

[iron totem]

Like the distances between locations are insane in certain parts of America.

[meager moat]

the USA is huge

letme put it in perspective

[iron totem]

Mhm

(This is france)

Right?

[meager moat]

(yeah, i hope people in Europe would get it)

[meager moat]

that map has a lot of distortion

[iron totem]

The US is generally lower than Spain and the same latitude as the sahara desert.

[iron totem]

That is true, I'm using it for latitude here.

More accurate

[meager moat]

yeah

also, sidenote: i may have too many vertices

[iron totem]

I find it funny how wide Antarctica is here

[iron totem]

What you modelling?

[unkempt yew]

Here is like 18 km

[meager moat]

a furret, but you know those little chain things you can buy or 3d print, a furret but that

[iron totem]

This thing?

[meager moat]

yup

[iron totem]

[unkempt yew]

[meager moat]

not super happy with that tail tho

[trim tartan]

JoeHills of Nashville, Tennessee!

[unkempt yew]

Why France covered Mississippi, Alabama, Indianapolis, Kentucky, Atlanta, Missouri and Arkansas with a bit of Georgia?

[meager moat]

only party cover all of those, and France is the 2nd largest country in Europe (1st is Russia)

[trim tartan]

There’s an SU route?

[unkempt yew]

👀

[meager moat]

update on that

[unkempt yew]

What do they mean?

[meager moat]

basically those are the things that the computer uses to build the mesh, kinda like pixels, but the computer takes shortcuts by only ploting out the most important parts of the mesh, i suppose a better analogy would be vector graphics, like in illustrator

[unkempt yew]

So, those means the total of polygons?

[meager moat]

yeah, pretty much

[unkempt yew]

[night lily]

-# see 500k of faces
Excuse me?

[meager moat]

most of my models dont have THAT many vertexes, but this is a 3d print, so i can't just use shade smooth

(shade smooth is something that averages out the shading (or normals) of the mesh hiding a large amount of Geometry, and making it seem like its more detailed that it is)

[knotty sierra]

I just accidentally deleted my PMD Explorers of Sky save.

Guess I’m starting PSMD and planning my PMD fic earlier than expected.

[scenic escarp]

Oh god nooooo

Plot potential...

[meager moat]

The last world got destroyed and like only this one guy knows it

[scenic escarp]

@knotty sierra Have you ever read the PMD webcomic Anamnesis, btw? 👀

[knotty sierra]

Doesn't look familiar. The only webcomics I can remember reading are Victory Fire, Tales of Elysium, and Milos from Home.

[meager moat]

there's an offical PMD anime (only 1 ep for like a couple of the games)

[scenic escarp]

It's a good one, more of a collection of short stories in webcomic form, very angsty. I would recommend it

[meager moat]

all done!

[meager moat]

about that......

also, this one model is taking up 5 gb of RAM

[swift badge]

[meager moat]

im shoocked blender didn't even crash once

[swift badge]

I’m shocked too

Good on you

[unkempt yew]

Which of these gonna put on digital?

[meager moat]

yes

[unkempt yew]

[swift badge]

Woah

What happened with that monksilly

[unkempt yew]

Pressing really fast

[limpid ore]

[swift badge]

I saw that

[unkempt yew]

I am not that skilled to typing ||||

[swift badge]

[unkempt yew]

Also, I do love ||Terrifying, Beautiful, Powerful, Gorgeous, Passionate, Overwhelming, Diligent, Vigorous, Enchanting, Sensual, Invincible, Mysterious Grey Prince Zote||

Also, gonna go to college

[swift badge]

[unkempt yew]

Later, higher intellectual beings in school

-# nerds

[swift badge]

[meager moat]

nice

[swift badge]

I wanna go to college

Seems nice then school

Nicer

[unkempt yew]

Cool, at least you got guts

[swift badge]

[limpid ore]

debt

[swift badge]

I do not take that into consideration /j

[meager moat]

if i can get away with not going to college, i will, even if i can go to some free due to being hearing impaired

[swift badge]

I mean i have a love of learning

But hs is just not it

[meager moat]

yeah, i dislike HS as well

but from what i heard college is worse sometimes, my cousin, who's in college, sometimes has to do homework, before they get to class

[swift badge]

Homework before they get to class?

I’m not sure i understand

[meager moat]

im not sure either, idk if its just normal homework and i heard wrong, or you have to do the work on the day's subject, before you learn about it

[swift badge]

Dang

[meager moat]

i could be very wrong on that one tho

[swift badge]

I dont think that makes sense tho…

Hmm

If that actually happens

Thats uh

[meager moat]

i feel like i would rather a trade school

[limpid ore]

i have poor balance so i cant even consider college

[swift badge]

Perhaps

[swift badge]

My only hope is a scholarship

[limpid ore]

my body likes to pretend i dont have feet sometimes so i trip on air a lot

[swift badge]

[limpid ore]

a real shame

[swift badge]

You trip over your nonexistent money

[limpid ore]

real

thats so true

[scenic escarp]

Yep, I've had to write lab procedures before coming into class

So when you don't fully understand it it's like

[swift badge]

[knotty sierra]

Depending on your major, your class is going to start months before the semester if you want to keep a sane mind (As in, you’ll be studying before you get there.). In my case, I’m a cs major, so I’m taking stuff like calculus. If I wanted to save myself from stress, I would’ve had to study at least a month or two in advance.

Honestly, really consider if the field you’re going into needs college, and don’t overlook smaller community colleges. Quality of professors matters more than how prestigious a college is, and it seems to me that many care more for their research than their students.

[iron totem]

True.
Many of the prestigious schools focus more on research as that's what gives more prestige (also it's more fun to do research than teaching )

[night lily]

Having to do and publish research papers even if you wouldn't do any of that more after graduating:

[unkempt yew]

I swear I'm not going crazy

Meanwhile the art I draw:

[iron totem]

Scug approved!

I love it, well done.

[unkempt yew]

We's swear skong will go out soon

[knotty sierra]

On today’s episode of: “Research your desired college”

We get to see the financial aid department perform one of their classic blunders:

[limpid ore]

the stinkers

[fringe anchor]

what is firefox doing, why does it say i have 15 instances of it

[limpid ore]

[edgy scroll]

Each tab counts as an instance, I think

[fringe anchor]

b u t i h a v e t w o

[wind bloom]

it's just how firefox breaks down its tasks for multithreading

[iron totem]

Firefox using more resources than blender... /silly

[fringe anchor]

While blender is previewing in cycles, mind you

Though it would beat firefox no problem if it was rendering

[unkempt yew]

evening to all, if I must say

[meager moat]

I have a model that would blow Firefox and even Google Chrome out of the water by using 5 gb of Ram

[fringe anchor]

Idling?

[meager moat]

Yeah, in solid viewport mode

[fringe anchor]

What the fuck

[meager moat]

I guess that's what 1.5 million triangles does to a computer

[open matrix]

@iron totem is that what i think it is?

[iron totem]

Yeaaaaaaaaaa

[open matrix]

[iron totem]

@split oak Dragging you in here

It's not a boss rush, right? Only a refight mode?

[split oak]

No boss rush

But we got the ability to replay fights so I won’t have to replay the entire game to fight funny groto person and that’s a win

[iron totem]

True

[iron totem]

||Ji is so cool ||

[split oak]

True!

[meager moat]

update, 3d printing this guy with my dad and I's new printer, can show results in about 2 hours

[meager moat]

make that 3, had to change some settings

[unkempt yew]

Wordin but not rw

What have I done to deserve not giving rw ideas, the Swashbuckling Adventures must continue

[sonic remnant]

Yum

[unkempt yew]

Kinda making a stroy out of a song

[gaunt zenith]

i wrote a whole paragraph in reply to a message for no reason
oops

[unkempt yew]

Waz zat for?

[gaunt zenith]

just a reply to Luna saying "Luna"

for literally no reason

[unkempt yew]

The urge of creating a paragraph by one word

[meager moat]

the inner storyer in you demands to be let free

[molten cairn]

yall im planning on making my own warrior cats book with unique cats and everything, but i dont know what to make the prolouge about

the two current stories i want to overarch into the main plot are a medicine cat apprentice trying to expose the current medicine cat as attempting to sabotage their clan, and a few month old kit haunted by ghosts (each prespective is in a different clan and ive been thinking of adding barkclan's deputy to the POV roster as their leader is on few lives and the deputy is fairly young, though i do think that wouldnt work in relation to the main plot) btw rn im pretty sure i want the main plot to be about an escaped savannah cat attempting to join the clans for refuge, getting denied, and then attempting to drive them out/ get rid of them

all i have is allegiances rn btw

also some general help with planning out the story would be nice

[trim tartan]

Hold on, I need to consume first.

[molten cairn]

starve yourself for my war crime kittys/silly

[molten cairn]

@trim tartan its been like a whole hour

[trim tartan]

I forgot to mention that I would not only be consuming food, I would also be consuming media.

[trim tartan]

Apologies, did that, did a minor rant about contrast as well, and then remembered.

[trim tartan]

The prologue is a pretty important part of the story! It has to hook the reader's interest and set the tone for the overall story.

Because I'm not sure how dark you want this to be, as I'm unfortunately not familiar with Warrior Cats, I unfortunately can't quite give you a direct recommendation on what to make it on, though I may have some ideas.

Also, since this is building on Warrior Cats, which I assume is an existing story, I have no idea what any of these terms mean, and you do want to keep in mind who your target audience is.

If you want someone who doesn't know about this to be interested, say, me, I would have to be introduced to who these characters are, what they're like, their motives, et cetera.

But if you're targeting people who know, it isn't as important, as they don't quite need this explanation.

Though you would probably be better off talking to someone else who is more knowledgeable, I'll give some examples on prologues.

You can contrast the prologue with the material that comes after. Makes the readers wonder "wait, what happened to those guys earlier?" It tugs on that curiosity, and makes them want to know more.

In this, you set a lingering presence for them to recall, and to hook them into the story.

With this, I would recommend running with the material for a bit, but not too long.

You don't want your readers to forget that bit, after all, and you really shouldn't keep them waiting for something that seemingly will never come.

I see no problems with that storyline, though the other stuff should probably not be as highlighted as the main story.

Yes, side quests of sorts are interesting, but you have a main character whose story is the one you're telling.

Your focus is on the main character, not on the side quests.

Not everything has to directly further the plot, of course, but don't take a detour and a half.

Yes, subplots are neat additions, but they need to tie in with the main character, their motives, what they do.

They should ideally add to a story, perhaps reveal something about them.

Show who they really are. Test them. Change them.

It's a similar principle with what makes good fight scenes good.

There has to be something greater than just "fighting for the sake of fighting".

Good fights tend to have emotion behind them.

There's greater motives beyond the fight.

Sorry, got distracted by something.

There's always a main goal, yes.

But there are other objectives.

You want to make a fight interesting? Give it other objectives besides "kill them before they kill you".

Ah, Cy's here! He's more experienced in this than I am.

[edgy scroll]

in any setting that tries at realism, battles to the death are rare. Most would rather posture or surrender than fight to the death.

[trim tartan]

Multiple objectives allow for your characters to win on one front, but lose on other fronts.

It allows more gray areas.

It isn't as simple as "you win" or "you lose".

Multiple main objectives also allow for your character to have a more mixed ending, though I would recommend moderation for this, as I do for all others.

[edgy scroll]

But to wrap back to the original question: the best places to start with a plot are, in my experience, the emotional core of the narrative (the scene that the story is building towards, for instance) and the key character dynamics you want to explore- if the main character gets rejected and then turns on the clans, you should have someone to represent that rejection within the clans… a sort of ‘main villain’ if you like.

[austere hawk]

I seem to conceptualize stories by conceptualizing an ending first. Then I can build the rest of the story towards getting there… build on the themes, journey, character arcs etc

Endings are the hardest thing to come up with, and having one from the go makes the rest a whole lot easier

[velvet gust]

That's kind of how I start stories, too. I figure out the scene I want to get to, then start asking 'okay, how do the characters get there'.

Then maybe write a few scenes after that to wrap things up.

[unkempt yew]

Hmmm, another Kindred scug for me

[fringe peak]

same on figuring out ending

I already know mine

[velvet gust]

It can make 'slice of life' scenes harder to write, but it works for me.

[molten cairn]

@edgy scroll @trim tartan
Er, I think you might have misunderstood? The savannah cat and the medicine cat are the Villians of the story I'd say, the 2 pov characters rest within the clans. One (medicine apprentice) is against the rejection of the savannah cat and the already exsisting medicine cat, the other too young to be allowed to hear the news, aswell as completely incapable of knowing full details due to being in a different clan. Also the medicine cat is the one who sparks the idea for the savannah cat to try and join them, kind of making it seem like this big amazing thing when its not really

Otherwise, I do have a few scenes in mind, and currently I want the big scene to be a flood of sorts as this story takes place in a wetland everglade-y sort of area.

Thank you for all your help though, especially with the prologue, I wasn't quite sure how to execute it.

[swift badge]

Warrior cats chat huh

[meager moat]

Make that overnight, and one failed print later, I'm finally finished printing

[fringe anchor]

[gaunt zenith]

I would be consuming the skin of plenty.

[iron totem]

Awesome

[swift badge]

West coast yeehaw going to the beach in nov

[unkempt yew]

Beach

I still remember the day back then before the pollution

[swift badge]

[trim tartan]

Beach!

I don’t like beaches, but they can look good.

[unkempt yew]

They good because strong wind and cool water

It's only bad if the sun is hurting you or trash all over the place

[swift badge]

I want to permanently live on beach

[limpid ore]

i cant swim so no beach fer me

[swift badge]

[edgy scroll]

Big umbrella in the sand, small umbrella in the drink. Towel that doesn't really keep the grit off, but is still more comfortable than sitting on the shells. Some kind of book that doesn't require much attention. Sandwiches with an emphasis on the first four letters. Wind whipping my hair and making me squint. Someone will tell me to go in the water soon, but for now, I have an unpeaceful peace. That's what I think of when I see the beach.

That shouldn't be taken as me disliking the beach, though. I do love it- like I would love a family member. You don't always get on with family .

[limpid ore]

i see beach or pool and rember when i got saved by my friend at her 7th bday party

reading and writing abt beach tho? perfectly fine somehow

[swift badge]

I also dislike sand but the water makes it worth it

Also the weather and smell

Makes me feel a little more alive

[edgy scroll]

The air over the ocean is the cleanest on earth.

[unkempt yew]

And could be strong

💪

Wind got hands

[swift badge]

Never actually experienced that; but ive seen snow on a desert , would it be similar?

[swift badge]

[unkempt yew]

Never experienced snow <--

[fringe anchor]

I don't really like how sand gets everywhere on the beach, I find that I kinda like going into the sea and leaving, or maybe walking along it for a bit, but I can't stand just laying on it for a prolonged time, cause I still don't like sand and also you need sunscreen which, not only do I have a dislike for stuff you have to smear on your skin (no clue why, I just really dislike the sensation), but suprise, sunscreen makes sand stick to you

[iron totem]

Go to Siberia

Very warm place

[fringe anchor]

Unfortunately my mum really likes being on the beach for prolong periods of time

[swift badge]

[unkempt yew]

Nuh uh

It's already warm here

[iron totem]

It can go below -50 C

-58 F for yeehaw

[swift badge]

Thanks

[limpid ore]

below freezing is amazing but i would actually die at that point

[unkempt yew]

[iron totem]

−89.2 °C is the coldest temperature recorded on earth; it was on Antarctica

[unkempt yew]

that day, Anton died from frostbite

[iron totem]

-128 F

[limpid ore]

[swift badge]

[swift badge]

God

[limpid ore]

frosty the snowman would become frosty the ice cube

[iron totem]

56.7 C is the hottest temp recorded, in death valley.
134 F

[unkempt yew]

Hmmm

[fringe anchor]

Goodnight stories

[unkempt yew]

Bet

[unkempt yew]

[swift badge]

average day in central valley ca:

[unkempt yew]

that day, Anton died from heatstroke

[swift badge]

[swift badge]

Double kill

[unkempt yew]

Tbh, I can sleep off 39°c or 102.2 °f

[iron totem]

Warmest I've experienced is 42 C?

[unkempt yew]

Or maybe at 41°c or 105.8°f during the March heatwave

[iron totem]

107 F

[unkempt yew]

We can handle the sun

[swift badge]

Hmm i think my hottest would be 119

F

I dont remember

[iron totem]

I don't live in the tropics
I'm not built for this.

[unkempt yew]

The tropics is not always hot (only in Summer)

But what we always have is rain

[iron totem]

Rain is good

[unkempt yew]

And for all my life, I have truly experienced Rain World™

[iron totem]

I can handle 20 - 35 C

[unkempt yew]

After discovering Rain World, I'm convinced there's an Iterator in the Pacific Ocean

[iron totem]

Rain world is a mix between eastern europe's architecture, australia's flora and fauna and the philippines' rain

[limpid ore]

australia for all the nightmare monsters

[unkempt yew]

I like spiders tho

[limpid ore]

ive seen pictures of spiders that can eat possums

[edgy scroll]

Spiders are cool

[unkempt yew]

Spiders are chill

-# I hate you red spider, you fking camper in the Leg

[edgy scroll]

but if they were as big as they were in RW, I don't think I'd like them as much

[limpid ore]

spiders are cool until they come within 3 feet of me

then they meet the shoe

[unkempt yew]

[limpid ore]

some look very cool at least

like the peacock spider

[unkempt yew]

I like the Banana spider

[limpid ore]

and it does a silly dance to attract female spiders

[iron totem]

I don't want to hurt bugs, though mosquitoes, ticks and horse flies are the exception.

[unkempt yew]

Can take out pests if they like it

[unkempt yew]

Mosquitoes

[limpid ore]

mosquitos deserve what is coming to them (a flip flop)

[unkempt yew]

An every night struggle

I have to resort with gas warfare against the mosquitoes

I don't care if I violated the Geneva Convention with the mosquitoes

I had to win the war

[limpid ore]

when i slept over at a friend's house a few times before, i had to sleep with bug spray on because of ants and mosquitos

[iron totem]

Crazy that moon's inhabitants lived in commie blocks

[unkempt yew]

Like minecraft

[limpid ore]

me when the villagers keep teleporting three hundred blocks away

[unkempt yew]

I always raze down villages after I pillage it

[limber latch]

this one is lonely

[unkempt yew]

Y'know what, I should draw one of my oldest OC

Supposedly I have to make her a stroy

[unkempt yew]

Welp, another art ig

Chasing Birds out of context

[trim tartan]

I hate sand. It’s coarse, grainy and gets everywhere. /ref

[swift badge]

i get chu

[trim tartan]

Is that Monk? Is that Monk and Saint?

[unkempt yew]

Nah, it's in Chasing Birds

My OCs:
Sitter's the green one
Poacher's the dirty yellow one

[night lily]

Was feeling it's cool when I was taking the trash out

...ah i see the winter is finally coming

(it's 80F in yeehaw dialect)

[swift badge]

80 is still pretty warm

[night lily]

This is enough to make me shiver if the wind blows

[swift badge]

wdym no 80 is not cold / silly

[swift badge]

Epochs

80 is good weather usually; at least considered here

the cold emoji is making me crack up

[unkempt yew]

Is good

Is great

[swift badge]

Epochs lives in a desert or smth

[unkempt yew]

Nuh uh

[swift badge]

80 is not cold

[unkempt yew]

It is

It's cold 🥶

[swift badge]

Id say 50 is cold

Thats when you need a jacket

[unkempt yew]

But I considered 40°c is warm

Even in a black hoodie

[swift badge]

But about 60 is not cold original gangster

Above

[swift badge]

Translate pls /silly

[night lily]

104F

[unkempt yew]

104°F

Is good

I can sleep it off if I wanted too

[swift badge]

[night lily]

I literally have never experienced sub-50F

[unkempt yew]

Same

[swift badge]

[night lily]

40C is uncomfortable

-# but sleeping it off is a valid strategy

[swift badge]

I have lived both in new york and in the west coast i am immune to either hot and cold

[swift badge]

Would be hot outside; just fine inside

[unkempt yew]

Dang

I cannot handle cold

I would die

Especially leg cramps and they aren't a joke

[swift badge]

[night lily]

That could also be because you don't drink enough water

[unkempt yew]

I always drink water

Like how Pebbles would do

Welp, lemme cook

I have to grill chimken

[swift badge]

An oceans worth?

So much you dehydrate everyone around you?

Anton stop taking everyones water youre killing them all /j

[limpid ore]

false

[swift badge]

Well ofc you dont think so

You have ice instead of water in your veins

[limpid ore]

i am filled with molten lava

[meager moat]

50 is cool

But not cold

[swift badge]

I mean it wouldnt be cold but id def put on a jacket

I get cold a bit easy

[unkempt yew]

Oh I will /j /silly

[swift badge]

All of your beloved family... Gone

You were too thristy anton

[unkempt yew]

For the Glorious Evolution, I must pursue my achievements I longed reach

[swift badge]

[unkempt yew]

Back to cooking ig

[swift badge]

[trim tartan]

Wrong. He lives in Southeast Asia.

[swift badge]

[trim tartan]

And, to be fair, those folk handle heat very well.

As in, could probably survive in 90 Yeehaw degrees.

You did not catch me slip up on grammar.

[swift badge]

[swift badge]

Youre lucky i didnt

I was out

[swift badge]

[trim tartan]

It never happened.

[swift badge]

I see the (edited)

[trim tartan]

You do not see the edited mark.

[swift badge]

Don’t gaslight me cele /silly

[trim tartan]

The nickname reminds me of someone.

Also, fine. You did catch me slip up.

[swift badge]

Mostly because i dont trust myself to write Celeste correctly

[trim tartan]

…Celestium? /lh

[swift badge]

Sorry

[trim tartan]

I’m not Celeste the mountain, nor am I Celeste the game.

Don’t be!

[swift badge]

I’m dont have any memory left nor am i very bright /lh

[trim tartan]

Don’t be sorry.

Fair, I’m pretty worn myself.

[limpid ore]

wait why did i send this

i dont remember what i was doing

[swift badge]

It’s appropriate nonetheless

[trim tartan]

Jotaro.

[limpid ore]

[night lily]

antimeme? /ref

[limpid ore]

augh i feel like i was trying to do a funny but i do NOT rember it

the thought was washed from the smart wrinkles in my brain

im now smooth

this means i can channel the essence of a black friday at target

hunter must make a brave trek through the seas of people

[unkempt yew]

I'm

Back

Chimken

[unkempt yew]

We both live in one of the most hottest tropical climate

Especially the heatwave last April

[trim tartan]

You all have to stop leaving the server at midnight.

[unkempt yew]

👀 ?

[limpid ore]

sowy i was eepy

[trim tartan]

I meant the Minecraft server.

Stop. Leaving. At. Night.

Sleep! It takes literally 20 seconds!

Twenty!

[limpid ore]

oh

[unkempt yew]

I don't have minceraft yet

[austere hawk]

Torkey day was yum

[iron totem]

Hope you had fun!

[unkempt yew]

I may never know about yeehaw torkey day

BUT CHIRSMAS IS RIGHT ABOUT THE CORNER

[iron totem]

What do you do on Christmas?

I don't celebrate it

[austere hawk]

Christmas is torkey day with presents (for my family)

We just have almost the exact same meal

[iron totem]

What do you do on thanksgiving?

[unkempt yew]

Chirsmas is where family gathering occurs, FOOD , chirsmas gift and karaoke night

(how we celebrate)

[austere hawk]

Roast Turkey, gravy, mashed potatoes, stuffing and cranberry sauce are required, along with apple pie. Plus a bunch of additional sides that depend on who’s coming. This year was fried Brussels sprouts, green bean casserole, sweet potatoes, mushroom soup and pumpkin bread

[unkempt yew]

A FEAST

[austere hawk]

FEAST

[iron totem]

I see, neat

[iron totem]

Sounds fun!

[austere hawk]

Also alcohol

[unkempt yew]

[iron totem]

I hate alcohol

[unkempt yew]

I do love occasional drink

[austere hawk]

Hot spiced cider + alcohol of choice and whipped cream is my fave on torkey days

[iron totem]

Oh neat

I thought you said "hot spiced spider"

[austere hawk]

Spider

[unkempt yew]

Either whiskey or soju, depends on what they buy

But I hate beer

[iron totem]

Just take the root of it

Root beer

[austere hawk]

Also my parents went on a fishing trip last month and sent me home with like eight pounds of frozen fish they caught

[unkempt yew]

Roobeer

[austere hawk]

Gonna be eating lots of fish

[unkempt yew]

Lemme convert that

[iron totem]

8 pounds is 3 something kg?

[unkempt yew]

3 kilos of fish...

Nice

[austere hawk]

Lingcod, halibut, coho salmon and rockfish

[unkempt yew]

And also, maybe that's a sign for... Hfish

[austere hawk]

So true…

[unkempt yew]

Fish for Hfish

[austere hawk]

fishy fuel

[lament blade]

Odd question since I mentioned Napoleon Total War: Anyone remember a time where games weren't exactly balanced?

[unkempt yew]

How so? 👀

[lament blade]

In Napoleon TW, France for obvious reasons is the most powerful foe you can go up against. Best elite units in the game, very good artillery (Napoleon was an artillery officer before he became an emperor), a strong economy, and a lot of territory at the start of the game

And then there's Napoleon himself fielding an army... Top tier general, basic infantry take forever to break, and really any fight against Napoleon himself is going to be brutal

[unkempt yew]

What about Great Britannia?

[lament blade]

Meanwhile his main rival, Britain, is dependent on its navy which can't fight land battles, has limited territory, and it's own ground forces are decent but not as good as France

Russia actually has decent units for an army but is let down by said units having poor morale and the nation needing to build itself up which it has but again, even its decent unit pool is quantity over quality

But it makes sense for France to be scary. This is Napoleon Bonaparte we're talking about. France DOMINATED Europe for a few years and whether the nobility liked it or not, Napoleon rebuilt the continent with his laws which still influence the modern day

[unkempt yew]

Imagine Napoleon has huge numbers on winning than any generals in history

[lament blade]

Is it balanced? Not in the slightest. France is front and center the biggest powerhouse in the game and fighting Napoleon is going to be an uphill battle regardless on who you are. Britain can blockade but has to build an army to D-Day France, Prussia can field decent units but has to be careful on when it joins, Austria is in Napoleon's sights from the start, and Russia is going to be fielding less impressive units statistically. France is the final boss and Napoleon himself is coming for you

[unkempt yew]

Hm

What about fighting against France with a small nation?

[lament blade]

Uh, there's only the main empires at the time. Sorry Sweden

Unless we're talking the Peninsula Campaign which is Spain. Then you're either France holding too much territory to manage but have strong troops, Britian with its decent troops but non-existent territory in Gibraltar, and Spain who is the Rebel Alliance trying to gather the forces necessary to take the Peninsula back

[unkempt yew]

[lament blade]

My point is, it's unbalanced and a challenge and that's what makes it fun

[unkempt yew]

👀

[lament blade]

Unlike say Civilization where everyone starts the same, has some minor bonuses in certain areas, and are in a rat race to build up from nothing

Which is fine and enjoyable, but everyone starts equal

[unkempt yew]

If I may ask Cap, regarding to Total War Empires? (I haven't played it but seen multiple times)

Is it possible to win in a faction that has low technological advancements?

[lament blade]

Napoleon TW is different. France itself has problems in the fact its navy is going to be second to Britian, there's an instant fight against Austria, Russia is a sleeping giant that can and WILL mobilize a terrifyingly powerful economy if given the time to do so, Prussia is a wild card that can go anywhere, and Spain can become a sudden nuisance (as it did historically)

[lament blade]

There is the Warpath Campaign (AKA, Native Americans against the post Revolutionary War powers in play) but for the main game? I'd say yes but it will require careful planning

[unkempt yew]

Spain is a nuisance? (Lol, just like in history)

[lament blade]

Assuming we're talking European powers, line infantry with fire by rank will perform better than line infantry without it. And you do need tech improvements in general to unlock better farms

You want explosives for artillery? Howitzer guns may have less range than standard field guns (why the HELL do mortars and rocket batteries have the longest range in the game?!), but they get explosives that can go over cover, do great damage to units, and if you keep pushing the tech you can unlock effectively chemical weapons

[unkempt yew]

Chemical weapons?

In a gunpowder warfare?

[lament blade]

Want light infantry to skirmish? Well annoyingly that's a late game tech but light infantry can take cover and have better range than standard infantry

[lament blade]

Carcass shot and quicklime

[unkempt yew]

Ah, quicklime

[lament blade]

Both are...nasty if the descriptions are anything to go by

[unkempt yew]

And also, carcass shot??

And here I thought it was used in medieval times

[lament blade]

Incendiary shells

Proto-napalm if you will

[unkempt yew]

Ah, I must have mistaken the other

[unkempt yew]

Still

[lament blade]

Rockets are a mixed bag. On one hand, I find their ground artillery to be lackluster even with absurd range. Naval combat though... Wooden ships and cloth sails + firey rockets do not mix well

But overall, tech is important for battles and economy. Fall behind and you will be facing uphill battles on the grandscale and the actual battles (added insult if the other guy had the high ground). Keep pace and you will reap the rewards for your progress

[unkempt yew]

I zee

Gonna take rest for a moment

[lament blade]

Night

[trim tartan]

Apple pie? I like apple pie. And mushroom soup.

[austere hawk]

They’re tasty

[limpid ore]

omg yes

apple pie my favorite pie

and its the first kind i ever made from scratch

[austere hawk]

Apple pie best pie

[limpid ore]

[iron totem]

Cabinet beasts without the cages

@edgy scroll Sorry for the ping but I thought you might be interested.

[iron totem]

I haven't made apple pie, but I have made some apple cakes. Very tasty

[edgy scroll]

neat

[iron totem]

@open matrix I'm buying chicory

[open matrix]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

do that!!!

good game

awesom game

[scenic escarp]

Takes notes

[iron totem]

They're awesome

[iron totem]

I don't have to be good at art, right?

[open matrix]

nahhhhh

[iron totem]

talking about art, I've started to learn how to sketch! Been trying to sketch simple stuff like apples, bowls and bottles for now

[scenic escarp]

You can make a meal with those

[iron totem]

Good idea!

I'll post some later

(I should probably buy some 2B pencils as is recommended)

I'm using 2H because I bought a bunch when they were real cheap for my school work

Awesome intro...

(Chicory)

[meager moat]

there are different kinds of pencils?

[scenic escarp]

Indeed, different weights

Affects the darkness of the graphite

[open matrix]

she is very cool

[scenic escarp]

Just like a certain superior iterator?

[iron totem]

2H is very light

So the lines look very thin

Good for math, though

[unkempt yew]

Despite not being an ortist, I already knew that there are different kinds of pencil