Risk of Rain World

[elfin zinc]

way better for dodging stuff and mithrix for sure

though i miss normal blink's vertical mobility that is so good

[solemn fossil]

You gotta config it in iirc

[inner gull]

i prefer no vertical mobility tbh

[fresh basalt]

the switch port cannot be the only port with gyro

[inner gull]

a lot of the time im looking up to shoot and i dont want to blink upwards

[elfin zinc]

wait

the new patch rolled out right

[fresh basalt]

yeah

[inner gull]

yeah

[elfin zinc]

wtf

hell naw

[inner gull]

the game is in a playable state now

[elfin zinc]

nuh uh

i'm not sure if i should just update the game already

[inner gull]

they nerfed whispers and all the other items are still the same

[solemn fossil]

Yah massive bug patch

[inner gull]

the dlc still has a lot of issues and theres some bugs but its mostly playable now

[elfin zinc]

i'd still prefer to play on the downpatched version though

even though they fixed a lot of stuff

[inner gull]

fair enough

[elfin zinc]

idk if they fixed railgunner's bugged special for example

[inner gull]

i still want to full unlock and clear e8 for the survivors though

[solemn fossil]

I can't wait for the rest of seeker's skills to come out idk about the other chars but like why does seeker only have one alt skill I understood voidfeind bc he already got two skill sets and each skill made would have to be double bc of his corruption thing, but why seeker

[elfin zinc]

man i really don't want to update the game 😔

[elfin zinc]

chef and false son also have 1 alt skill

feels a bit unfinished

[inner gull]

the dlc characters dont have dlc skins either for some reason

[solemn fossil]

Breh

[solemn fossil]

Again.. breh

[elfin zinc]

they only have monsoon skins

not beating false son skins

i wonder if that's intentional or not?

also merc is the only survivor with 4 skins now kek

[solemn fossil]

Idk

Pretty odd that the sots survivors Don't have any sots skins

[elfin zinc]

true

i mean it'd be so cool aswell

since they would fit with the skin thematic of the dlc really well

i'm updating the game

i'll see if it feels different or something

[solemn fossil]

Anyone want to play together for a lil bit?

[elfin zinc]

meeeeee

can ppl on steamdeck play with ppl on pc?

[solemn fossil]

Ya, steamdeck uses the same servers as pc

You want to host or shall i

[elfin zinc]

hmm i'm not sure

i could host!

then you can see if it feels laggy or something for you

[solemn fossil]

Alright

[elfin zinc]

one could choose a burst character (idk loader) and a normal character that benefits from items like attack speed and bleed (commando, engineer, yada yada)

so we can have a nice division of items

https://steamcommunity.com/id/arthyu/ (also here's my profile add me)

[solemn fossil]

Its having errors trying to grend you

[elfin zinc]

what the ball

i could try to friend you instead then?

[solemn fossil]

Sure... How do i send the friend link? Or shall i send you my freind code

[elfin zinc]

you can just send the friend code

[solemn fossil]

1262237474

[elfin zinc]

sent

[solemn fossil]

Accepted

[elfin zinc]

friendship obtained

[solemn fossil]

[elfin zinc]

@solemn fossil okay you can try to host and invite me

[solemn fossil]

Ok

[elfin zinc]

i've been having some issues in terms of the invite interface bugging out and i think it's simpler for u to do it

[solemn fossil]

Classic gamemode

[solemn fossil]

Oh no

[elfin zinc]

sure thing

[solemn fossil]

Sent

[fresh basalt]

the steam deck is literally just a tiny PC so you're running the same binaries as windows

[solemn fossil]

Yah

[elfin zinc]

some funny clips from our playthrough @solemn fossil

[solemn fossil]

Those are some good clips

[elfin zinc]

the cope is so big on the first one

[solemn fossil]

That last one i didn't even realize you noticed i just got yeeeted to the skybox

[solemn fossil]

Ya poor wisp in a bottle didnt even get the chance

[ancient goblet]

i just found out a bunch of patches are in now

finally -

[marsh grail]

ye :3

[scenic bough]

The ennemies falling off the world in this map are hilarious

I see haylconite still has issues understanding how to exist

[fair bramble]

i did a run to see how crazy the items could get on Railgunner and maybe get Voidling, but i had no clue how strong it was so i immediately lost Dio's and died soon after for trying to kill it up close

i still had fun tough, by the end of loop 2 i had lost seer's and clover starting to take massive effect

[elfin zinc]

excuse me?

[elfin zinc]

ooohh nice

voidling has homing projectiles that just delete your healthbar so

very dangerous no matter how strong you are

[fair bramble]

LMAO

[elfin zinc]

guys i'm like 100% sure the director is still bugged out

unfortunately 😔

[solemn fossil]

Guess just play rainstorm for a monsoon run and monsoon for a "HELP MEEE" run
-# /silly

[elfin zinc]

that's actually so true

too many enemies

[solemn fossil]

Yah Need some good AOE just to survive the level

Btw wanna play again

[elfin zinc]

sure

[fair bramble]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1081791595659145359/1279995508600864923/ssstwitter.com_1725014932409.mov?ex=66dc66f6&is=66db1576&hm=2a6c56173563f47491b66de1adb9c4d32982b9b42a1394ad75a168f7879791d0&

[solemn fossil]

ig goober jr is almost useless for seeker

[fair bramble]

I got sent to the voidling path after doing void cell on stage 2, i had no clue that was possible , but now i got viend

[solemn fossil]

i just went voidling too though my outcome was much different

[elfin zinc]

LMAAAAAOOOOOOO

that's great

[elfin zinc]

the ror2 fandom wiki is being griefed

pretty crazy

[fresh basalt]

i mean fuck fandom but like

why

[elfin zinc]

ikr

[fresh basalt]

whats the point of greifing a wiki

[elfin zinc]

prob because of the dlc

breh

so lame

[solemn fossil]

they upset with the dlc so they take it out on the community vewy smort, gearbox (who has nothing to do with the wiki) will def think twice now
-# /nsrs

[marsh grail]

the ror2 dlc isnt so bad
the dlc in question:

[fresh basalt]

this is likely a mod's fault, just FYI
-# info for ppl other than mae because she and i were doing this together

[marsh grail]

[elfin zinc]

where in the fuck are you guys in the second clip

[inner gull]

character select

[warm marsh]

GAMIN!!!

[solemn fossil]

I got my first seeker win we went voidling ending i say we bc my brother helped me out, we surprisingly only died once each, he died in void cells and i died to the black hole again, i tried so desperately to run but i couldn't, then i meditated as a last effort and i just fell back faster
-# i had a corrupt Dio's so it was fine

[warm marsh]

i got sonourus whispers first item

[marsh grail]

The item drop nerf is okay but they should add a cap on how many times it can trigger per stage

[warm marsh]

WE QUIT THE RUN

[misty marten]

i had a 3hour+ run going last night and it ended about 10 minutes from completion when enemies stopped spawning in bulwarks ambry..

stage 41

[warm marsh]

So gaming!!

[scenic bough]

Wasn't that an old bug where the director used to get so many credits that everything it can spawn is "too cheap" to get selected?

Maybe it was re introduced?

[marsh grail]

We got elder lemurians in stage 2

Not sure if that's actually intended for the path of the colossus but it was silly

[fresh basalt]

-# that may be somewhat the fault of multitudes as well

[marsh grail]

:(

[misty marten]

the scaling is still so off

dlc still sucks

had a good run going earlier but the crowd of enemies at the teleporter was so huge that they were healing each other and the boss faster than i could kill them lmao

[marsh grail]

DLC is fine, the patch fixed all the major issues and it's honestly enjoyable

I can't confirm or deny that the scaling feels weird, sometimes you just get a bad run and bad items

[scenic bough]

Personally i think rn the DLC is in a decent spot, but could still be improved upon in a bunch if ways
So i'll eagerly wait for the upcoming updates

There is still some jank to be fixed and some balance reworks that'd be nice

[inner gull]

something about the dlc or game is fucked up and a lot of enemies that only spawned with sotv off are spawning on stages

like (elder) lemurians on siphoned forest

[elfin zinc]

the scaling is off

like

seriously

there are little waves of elite enemies once i had a really good rex run with a lot of attack speed and aoe but on stage 3 sulphur pools a billion elite blind pests just kept spawning and i couldn't keep up

you could say it's a skill issue (true) but the game wasn't even remotely like this on the devotion patch, the scaling is for sure a bit off

[solemn fossil]

Knockback fin is kinda silly though

[elfin zinc]

(it's not just me aswell it seems)

[misty marten]

for me there was a mending beetle x imp army on stage 3 that immunised the horde of enemies + the two bosses

it was ACTUALLY impossible to progress

like on a technical level

[elfin zinc]

the elite enemy waves is insane

it's like a billion spawn at once at the same time rather than gradually throught the level

[misty marten]

i have screenshots of abnormally large armies of enemies that ill send tomorrow

not normal

[elfin zinc]

WELP!!

guess i gotta downpatch, again sob

[marsh grail]

The worst part is gilded elites

Especially around stage 3

Eat gold, get damage reduction, are tanky as shit

Gilded scorch wurm and I might as well reset the run

[marsh grail]

It definitely feels off

[fresh basalt]

children may have slightly overtuned damage

[vernal pond]

Gearbox sure had testers to see if the DLC worked or was balanced and had no bugs running...

*Cough* Twisted Elites...

[topaz quest]

all those testers

[inner gull]

charged false son slam has a 3.0 proc coefficient

[elfin zinc]

DAMN

WHAT

that is insane

the only thing in the game that has a 3.0 proc coefficient is railgunner's default special

and that like literally disables all of your abilities after using it

[warm marsh]

okay

freya going to play now!

will tell if somethiogn cool happens!

[vernal pond]

3.0 Proc what the lump

[elfin zinc]

FOR REAL RIGHT

it's so easy to do too there's no consequence to getting a 3.0 proc that's crazy

[vernal pond]

I mean Railgunner also does have an attack that has 3.0 proc and that's her default special "Supercharge" but has a drawback which disables her attacks for a while when used...

I'm more of a Cryocharge special user for her

[elfin zinc]

yeah i mentioned that

it has a drawback

and it's the only thing in the game that has a 3.0 proc

before sots ofc

crazy!

make commando m1 have 3.0 proc coefficient

[fresh basalt]

no the laser should have a 3.0 proc coefficent

obviously

[marsh grail]

mrawa

[elfin zinc]

false son is really fucking strong

he just feels wacky to use

[fresh basalt]

yeah

[elfin zinc]

if a railgunner 3.0 proc coefficient special atg shot deals an uninronic million damage imagine false son which can just do that all the time

[fresh basalt]

false son million damage in one charge slam achievement when

[vernal pond]

Not mention railgunner has really bad mobility which why she uses the mines to make her jump around otherwise, she gets slapped hard by a elder lemurian

it's tricky to use her mines and i never will touch her alt utility which drops her mobility to nothing

[fresh basalt]

alt utility sucks lol

the mines are insanely good for movement

[elfin zinc]

if a utility lets you pillar skip

then

no shit i'm replacing that

it's like ion surge vs flamethrower

[fresh basalt]

-# what is ion surge v flamethrower

-# i dont play arti

[elfin zinc]

flamethrower is a flamethrower that throws flames that deal 95% x 20 dmg for a short duration of time

it's a low damaging ability on arti, that leaves you vulnerable because of the animation

it's close range

[fresh basalt]

[elfin zinc]

the only real big benefit of it is that it can benefit from ignition tank

and it's good for procs like bleed

but it has a low proc coefficient

now

ion surge is an ability that shoots you pretty high up in the air, doing big damage to enemies around you

since arti can hover, you can just fly indefinitely

and skip pillars! and it procs bands and can get you out of situations

generally a better ability with more use

[fresh basalt]

oh yeah that one

[inner gull]

id argue the opposite they have some of the best mobility

[fresh basalt]

i should play arti

[inner gull]

3/4 of your skills give you a mobility option assuming youre running cryo and mines

[vernal pond]

It's because i suck at using the mines lmao

[inner gull]

hes the strongest survivor of the dlc but i think he still falls below loader railgunner acrid viend

swap railgunner and acrid maybe idk im not thinking about it harder

health becoming mobility is a big boon for his strength

[marsh grail]

i pride'd it up

[thick current]

woke

[fresh basalt]

[fair bramble]

Omg

[marsh grail]

melted

5 razorwires doing numbers

[marsh grail]

yippee

[solemn fossil]

If you take the first letter of "plant" and the last two of "robot" you get Rex... ||Rex is literally a pot ||

[fresh basalt]

i was just playing this to pass the time what the hell is this luck

[vernal pond]

God run starting already in stage 1

[topaz quest]

i need more runs like that

[vernal pond]

Still salty about getting a fire aspect as loader with a couple ignition tanks before dying in the 2nd loop at the 7th stage

[fresh basalt]

[fresh basalt]

i hate collapse

void infestor corrupted my fuckin beetle guard

collapse did a stupid amount of dmg

[fair bramble]

5 reds on stage 3 is crazy

[fresh basalt]

yeah uh

multitudes scaling for 3p difficulty but 3p item drops so

[fair bramble]

[fresh basalt]

[fresh basalt]

i died on that run to phase 4 mithrix. didnt hit the skip

[solemn fossil]

Any risk of rainers wanna multiplayer
-# good with playing any of the games

[solemn fossil]

-# ill be waiting...

[fresh basalt]

HI i am currently not doing anything i can play with u

[vernal pond]

New ROR2 bugfix dropped but still no SotS items rebalancing or mentions of twisted elite

[fresh basalt]

watch literally all of my mods break

[vernal pond]

[fresh basalt]

good news the mods arent broken

[fresh basalt]

did u still wanna play w/ someone?

[solemn fossil]

oh i just got into dst with some frens if your good to play later i can @ you when im free, sorry

[fresh basalt]

oke! thats fine

i dont mind

[solemn fossil]

so should i @ you later

[fresh basalt]

yee you can

[fresh basalt]

this run is actually kindof insane

god loader is so much fun to play

[solemn fossil]

im finally free had to do alot of irl stuff, but am good to play now if you still wanna

[fresh basalt]

i have a friend over now

feel free to ping and ask me anytime though, usually im avalible

[elfin zinc]

me when i have school n shit to worry about and can't no life risk of rain

[solemn fossil]

Ikr

[marsh grail]

wtf

[solemn fossil]

Any risk of rainers wanna play
-# ill be open for at least the next hour, most likely longer

[fresh basalt]

yeah sure!

[solemn fossil]

Yay

[fresh basalt]

do i have you on steam

[solemn fossil]

Uuhhh don't think so....

[fresh basalt]

my code is 492089435

[solemn fossil]

Sent

[fresh basalt]

accepted!

Fuck

the steam overlay broke i gotta restart the game

[solemn fossil]

Ooof

Oh btw do you have epic games cross play enabled

[fresh basalt]

no

do you?

appears not

[solemn fossil]

Yeh

[fresh basalt]

very cool

[fresh basalt]

[halcyon stag]

🪱

[fresh basalt]

@elfin parrot do you mind if i post our run results here

[elfin parrot]

Sure but I’m saying this, I did not vibe with bandit I was shit with it

Also I didn’t even know that this thread existed lmao

Wait @elfin grove

You got ror2?

[elfin grove]

yeah i do have the game
but it runs kinda bad on my pc so i never continued on it for long

[elfin parrot]

Lmao

[fresh basalt]

have you played since the dlc came out

they may have introduced a stupid number of bugs but the preformance is way better

[elfin grove]

i havent tried it out for months

[elfin grove]

oooooooooh

[elfin parrot]

I’m still learning the game and I did not vibe with bandit so I was kinda shit

[elfin grove]

okay then i might try and give it a chance again

thanks for telling!!

[fresh basalt]

and you can mod the game to fix the stupid shit they did

like adding forced FXAA for some godforsaken reason

[elfin parrot]

Anyway I’m off to sleep bye

[fresh basalt]

sleep well lachlan

[elfin grove]

[elfin grove]

will give it a shot then soon

[topaz quest]

hows the RoR thread doing

[warm marsh]

-# truly a risk of rain to be honest -peace

[solemn fossil]

-# kinda empti tbh

[topaz quest]

im doing more stage 4 false son runs

trying to get those new skins :>

[misty marten]

just got my friend his first win yippee

and i won 2 monsoon runs todaye

engi and commando

[topaz quest]

ooo

nice job

[solemn fossil]

[elfin zinc]

lol

chef's cleavers have a 0.5 proc coefficient while fucking mult's nailgun has 0.6

how could it be lower than mult's nailgun of all things

[fresh basalt]

[topaz quest]

wtf

[vernal pond]

M-ULT has a very high fire-rate with the nailgun and to mention it has a shotgun-ish attack when the attack button is released

CHEF deserves better since the day i played him from the very first game

[elfin zinc]

also mult has powermode which doubles his nailguns

the whole gimmick of chef is that he can proc stuff twice, but since it has a 0.5 proc coefficient it's just, comically bad

[vernal pond]

I am a big fan of power mode and dual nailguns... It shows proof that SotS really really needs a patch that changes all the items/survivors and not to mention the twisted elites and tweak the numbers or change them completly

[misty marten]

i dont think i have played mul t since 2019

[warm marsh]

wawawa -eva

[vernal pond]

I haven't checked reading the forums but i don't if anyone here could confirm this but acording to someone in the latest update posted in september 16

You cannot shoot down the orbs created from wandering vagrants
and the Elites spawn more frequently compared to the older versions especially 1.2.4.4

[elfin zinc]

damn!!!!!!!

[solemn fossil]

Did they say they are adding more skills
-# or really any info

[vernal pond]

and even items too aka the biggest problem alongside the twisted elites

[elfin zinc]

idk

twitter is blocked in my country LOL

[solemn fossil]

[elfin zinc]

if anyone else outside of brazil can check the risk of rain account and post anything interesting here i'd appreciate it

[elfin zinc]

@inner gull @misty marten @dusky wing

[vernal pond]

They need to move to something else than Twitter (don't like the name X) like say bluesky or tiktok whatever

[dusky wing]

Oh shoot noice!!

Though, Im cautiously optimistic

[elfin zinc]

i'm cautiously optimistic too...

[vernal pond]

since twitter acts weird for me and i cannot even see any reply

[dusky wing]

I need to see Gearbox's balance philosophy

[elfin zinc]

i hope they just listen to feedback cause if they do it'll be a good update

[dusky wing]

Yeah, I played Chef.....HOLY CRAP I HATED IT!

Its just.....Its actually worse base Artificer

I dont know how thats possible

[elfin zinc]

chef just sucks so bad

his m1 and m2 are cancer to use

they're SO BAD

and feel SO BAD too

only good ability is glaze

[dusky wing]

EXACTLY!!!

[elfin zinc]

did you know chef's cleavers have a 0.5 proc coefficient 😭

GOD

that's lower than mul-t's nailgun

how is that even possible??

[dusky wing]

Also, what is chef supposed to be? A sustain tank? A support character? A debuffer?

They arent good at pretty much anything

[elfin zinc]

i'd like for chef to be a debuffer character

i liked the idea that someone suggested idk who in the ror community about like

[dusky wing]

Chef makes so many different status effects on enemies

Each ability procs a status effect

But... I got no clue what they do

[elfin zinc]

you preparing different meals as chef based on what skills you use, cleaver + m2 makes a idk, attack speed buff for example, then you use cleaver + roller you get healing

smth like that

i think that's cool?

it's not too complicated either

chef dropping hp after killing enemies with his skills is just so pointless

[dusky wing]

Oh, I never really noticed the buffs too much

[elfin zinc]

i mean that isn't something that happens

it's just an idea someone suggested that i thought would be cool to add

since my idea at least for chef is that he's the debuffer guy that uses his skills a lot

[dusky wing]

Ooooohhhh

Yeah that would be nice actually

Would fit into the whole chef thing

Better than this

[solemn fossil]

from which game

[dusky wing]

Also wait thats literally what chef does in Returns @elfin zinc lol

[elfin zinc]

yeah also just make chef m1 to work how it does on Returns aswell

cleavers having a 2 second cooldown is like EVIL

[dusky wing]

Ror2, base returns Artificer is like playing the game blindfolded and losing both of your arms

[elfin zinc]

why can commando hold down m1 but chef can't

[dusky wing]

Yeah, that would be really good

[elfin zinc]

ngl base arti aint that bad

it's just that..

ion surge is just THAT good yknow

[dusky wing]

Its not bad, its just bad to use

[solemn fossil]

i mean she's not all bad
-# she gets alot of hate but i think she is fun...

[dusky wing]

You can have fun with the character, aint nothing wrong with that, the complaints are still valid tho

[solemn fossil]

very true

[elfin zinc]

i can't bring myself to hate any ror2 surv they're all so good

even commando

wait

rex exists

[dusky wing]

I love Rex

[elfin zinc]

oh yeah i dislike rex so bad fuck rex

[dusky wing]

Rex is one of my favs, not up there but still a fav of mine

Such a cute and goofy character

[elfin zinc]

he's STUPID >:C

he just plays like ass i swear..

[dusky wing]

HES AMAZING D:

[dusky wing]

Do you use his alt abilities?

Thats what makes or breaks rex imo

[solemn fossil]

he just feels so weak tbh its like he aint doing enough dmg

[dusky wing]

Specifically 2nd and 4th ability

[elfin zinc]

i don't have much of his alt abilities unlocked i hear from everyone that their default is the best cause it deals more dmg

but like it just feels so weak!!

[dusky wing]

Huh?

I dont know anyone who would say that

Rex's alt abilites are what makes him so good

I could show you if you want Arth

The damage numbers along with the math prove the alt abilites are much better

[elfin zinc]

most of the ror2 community thinks that his default abilities are wayy better, so much in fact, that rex is a bad character in eclipse 8 because he CAN'T use his defaults

all the big youtubers say default is just better generally

in terms of raw damage

if you know how to manage your hp which isnt difficult

so i believed htat

[dusky wing]

....Ohhhhh I see what you mean

Rex has both base and alt abilities when you first get them lol

Im talking about the ones that damage Rex

Aka his alt abilities

But yeah, E8 rex is horrible I wont lie, but Rex on anything else is pretty fun

[elfin zinc]

umm i think you're getting this wrong gorilla

rex only starts with his defaults unlocked, which are the ones that damages it, the abilities you unlock after are the ones that don't provide self damage

[dusky wing]

Give me a second then

[elfin zinc]

that's what i meant with default

even with the self damaging abilities i find him so weak

[dusky wing]

Ahhhh yeah I got them mixed up....for 2 years

I shall not talk about it

[elfin zinc]

and like i don't struggle with survivors like commando or mercenary so i don't get it what makes rex so unfun for me?

[dusky wing]

But yeah the non-self damage abilities do suck a lot

[dusky wing]

[elfin zinc]

[dusky wing]

Maybe a different playstyle is required

My playstyle is going straight into the enemies face and dodging their projectiles, Rex fits that playstyle very well

[elfin zinc]

rex is the only survivor i didn't beat the game with idk i just despise him

[dusky wing]

For me its Mul-T, cannot play that character

[elfin zinc]

i fucking love mul-t

he's so goated

[dusky wing]

I HATE MUL-T!!! (jk)

[elfin zinc]

like actual one of the most goated

[dusky wing]

Something just never clicked for me

Dont like them

[elfin zinc]

mul-t is surprinsigly one of the most skill expressive characters somehow i love him

[elfin zinc]

yea and something never clicked for me with rex

let's bond over our differences

[dusky wing]

For me, I think the most skill expressive is melee merc

[elfin zinc]

merc and mul-t sure are the most skill expressive characters

i guess commando too with his grenades

for some reason this made me feel like a god

[dusky wing]

Nah, most skill expressive has to be base artificer, try to beat false son with THAT!

[elfin zinc]

i wonder if false son gets affected by freeze?

[dusky wing]

No idea

[warm marsh]

we made it to mythrix for the first time solo, as loader, died to some BS -eva

[fresh basalt]

risk of rain 2 moment

[elfin zinc]

thankiuuuu 🙏

this is awesome

[ancient goblet]

Sloggers!!

[solemn fossil]

ima play ror2 if anyone wants to join

[solemn fossil]

first time seeing false son ow... but i think i got it next run now that ik what im up against

[solemn fossil]

stage 5 and bosses are just melting, i love MUL-T so much

[elfin zinc]

saw and nailgun is a really cool combo actually

[solemn fossil]

ya I love it, only issue is closing the gap is kinda hard when your in power mode

Unstable transmitter is the worst

why did it decide to put me off the zone

[elfin zinc]

fuck unstable transmitter so bad

[solemn fossil]

is this new tech? if you use power mode you can reset the cooldown of blast canister
-# or did i just not know of this till now

[elfin zinc]

not new tech

[solemn fossil]

I never knew this

[elfin zinc]

now you do :)

[solemn fossil]

True

[fresh basalt]

LMFAO that took me a second

[elfin zinc]

this is fucking peak fiction though ??/

this is a great idea

ppl are saying it's a watch clone though

idk 😔

i kinda like it

more damage items other than watch are always appreciated

[fresh basalt]

how tf is that a watch clone

i mean like i can kindof see that but not really

[elfin zinc]

while i see the similarities i think more damage items are appreciated because of the bloated item pool

[fresh basalt]

yeah

[elfin zinc]

finding watches got like way harder now

so having another "watch" is just good and balances the game

[fresh basalt]

esp a damage item that dosen't just fuckin break once you get low

-# (i am bad at risk of rain 2)

[elfin zinc]

it also has a consequence of you having to be at maximum hp

peak item in general this is a good idea

ppl are saying it would be op with transcendence but like that's transcendence's fault not lantern's fault

[fresh basalt]

transendence is busted anyway

[elfin zinc]

transcendence is just busted as shit it removes 3 eclipse modifiers

[fresh basalt]

right lmao

[inner gull]

theyre filling the same role of damage item that punishes you for taking damage

[elfin zinc]

i still think it's a good addition tho..

[inner gull]

id like it more than its current state but theres more interesting design spaces to fill for damage items

[solemn fossil]

I kinda like that it boosts dmg if below 50% hp, it has an interesting play style.
-# and ya i agree that it would just be watch 2.0 with the other buff as nice as it sounds

It pairs well with stuff like razor wire, the vagrant gold item, old war stealth kit all those things that want you to be low hp to make use of

[misty marten]

dude its even game accurate
the temu watch will break the moment it touches anything

[inner gull]

just because its an interesting playstyle doesnt mean that the playstyle is strong or even viable

the game heavily pushes you towards not taking or minimizing damage

[solemn fossil]

I think it works for rex but i see what you mean

[inner gull]

its exclusively good on rex and maybe seeker

being good for 1.5/16 of the cast members isnt a great design space for a large chunk of the new items to be

[solemn fossil]

I'd argue its also good for void fiend to some extent

[inner gull]

void fiend taking damage is especially bad since it can easily force you into the form you dont want to be in

[solemn fossil]

Hmm ya gotta say though its one of the better items, still despise unstable transmitter

[inner gull]

let me rank them again i forgot some of em

[solemn fossil]

Ya thats why i said some extent you get hit forcing you into the reckless form, while the item buffs you still bad in comparison to the og and sotv items, but its got some use

[inner gull]

if youre getting below 50% hp in corrupted form you should be retreating not fighting

its inherently flawed since really only rex should be fighting below 50% hp

[solemn fossil]

-# i just fight till there's nothing left or im normal again

[inner gull]

id only put it above antler shield, war bonds, warped echo, knockback fin, and unstable transmitter

with the last three being detrimental

[solemn fossil]

i can't remember what half of them are, also what does warbonds do

[inner gull]

nothing lmao

two chests worth of gold at the start of each stage

[solemn fossil]

i can get that with a well timed blood shrine

I see why its so bad

[elfin zinc]

TRUE

[sacred topaz]

Splendid.

[severe sinew]

Splendid.

[elfin zinc]

Spledid.

[inner gull]

Spledid

[warm marsh]

We played merc for the first time, possible new main, we beat mythrix too -eva

[inner gull]

oh what loadout

[warm marsh]

we just unlocked so default -eva

[inner gull]

ah

alt utility and special are both great id recommend them strongly

[warm marsh]

fun fun fun -eva

[inner gull]

mainly alt utility since the special is more playstyle even if i do think alt is better

[warm marsh]

also we tried one of the reforge things in the mythrix thingie -eva

WE DIDNT KNOW IT SHIYOINKS A RED WAAA -eva

[inner gull]

ah the soup

[warm marsh]

okay, should i search up how to unlock or just play merc -eva

[inner gull]

unlock what

[warm marsh]

the other abilities -eva

[inner gull]

it tells you when you hover over them in the menu

[warm marsh]

they were locked for us -eva

[inner gull]

i will say alt special requires a hitless prismatic trial

which is rough for most people

[warm marsh]

ohhhhhhhhh -eva

we did hitless teleporter that run too -eva

that was fun -eva

[inner gull]

https://youtube.com/@cabbage123?si=btLUPMLVDWxwLmu2 theyve done every(?) trial hitless as merc

[warm marsh]

thats crazy -eva

merc does have a lot of i frames tbf -eva

[inner gull]

oh alt utility is easy

you can just stack syringes (womp womp) and try to maximize expose

[solemn fossil]

Ya they are dedicated a great help too

[sacred topaz]

I done that

some how

[warm marsh]

tried comman for the first time -eva

got 8 mil damage and died to a random elite imp -eva

it had a green bubble around it? -eva

what does that mean? -eva

(also first time doing a loop without getting an artifact) -eva

[solemn fossil]

That sounds like one of the elites that shows up after you loop, the massive green bubble around it will make all of its allies in that bubble invisible.

[warm marsh]

yeah, annoying -muser

and! we had 17 of the teddy bears -eva

[solemn fossil]

So many :o

[warm marsh]

yeah, but ig u cant get 100% block chance -eva

he did all 1k+ of our health in a single hit what were we supposed to do? -eva

[solemn fossil]

Not usually, you need ALOT to get close, think the max block chance is somewhere around 75%

[warm marsh]

we were definitely having more blocks than hits thats for sure -eva

but the run was very stronk -eva

7 reds -eva

[solemn fossil]

And thats like after 400, the curve is pretty steep, but its been a while since i have seen the numbers so i could be wrong

[solemn fossil]

Woh Which ones

[warm marsh]

LMAOO -eva

[warm marsh]

uhhh, tesla, big boom, dagger, ourple disc, hammer, the reduce orange item cooldown one and i think one more? -eva

[solemn fossil]

Woah thats so many of the good ones

[warm marsh]

weakest command run -eva

[solemn fossil]

Ohh.. you said you had command on, not you were commando i miss read

[warm marsh]

we just unlocked :3 -eva

and merc is SO FUN -eva

our favourite atm -eva

[solemn fossil]

Merc is cool

[inner gull]

its hyperbolic so each one does less than the last

[warm marsh]

👍

[inner gull]

if you have sotv (which if you dont id recommend strongly) 65 safer spaces is a 1 frame recovery

which you can then put on top of opal

[warm marsh]

Lollll-eva

[inner gull]

also @elfin zinc for future reference if you need to loop without any twisted elite changes installed getting transcendence completely nullifies them

[elfin zinc]

+1 point for transcendence

god it's so fucking busted

[sacred topaz]

Yes. But not necessary

My best bet is to use Repulsion Armor Plate as the FLAT Damage Reduction (5) and continuously grabbing said item would lower the amount damage being reflected towards u

[solemn fossil]

With enough of those can you become immortal

[sacred topaz]

The problem with transcendence alone is that you would have to pray to not get hit really hard by an enemy. Mostly from the grandparents or so on. The shield takes around 7 (business days) seconds to regenerate (assuming you are not hit). By that time, u'd better off getting the medkit which only takes 3 seconds to activate after getting hit

For future cases, if u have a hard time dealing with the Twisted Elite, kill the elite first.

The reality is, don't get transcendence unless ur capable of not having to worry about losing ur One Shot Protection.

[solemn fossil]

-# its god teir for eclipse though

[sacred topaz]

mmm no

[solemn fossil]

[sacred topaz]

even woolie would laugh at that sentence

[solemn fossil]

Is woolie that streamer

[sacred topaz]

yeah

I kid u not

[solemn fossil]

Ah

[sacred topaz]

this is a guy who 100% risk of rain. DO NOT use transcendence on eclipse. EVER

[solemn fossil]

[sacred topaz]

You must be worth the fortune to defeat several gods in Hell, as well as beat satan himself to fully finish eclipse with that lunar item. it is not worth it

Shrimp though

[solemn fossil]

It nullifies fall damage, reduced healing, and since getting hit removes OSP you don't need go worry about that anyways

I legit don't see the issue

[sacred topaz]

pls tell me that's sarcasm

lol

[solemn fossil]

No I'm still not at e8 yet fyi

[sacred topaz]

dam

[solemn fossil]

So...

[sacred topaz]

But yeah, dont use trans

No healing (since it's based on normal HP. Ur HP is fixed at 1)

No OSP (or dont get hit yknow)

7 second recharge time

atleast it nullifies fall damage, but its not even worth it since u wont even die to fall damage anyways

[solemn fossil]

You still have OSP

[sacred topaz]

No OSP (or dont get hit yknow)
7 second recharge time

thats why u have no OSP

That's why the antlers are bad.

[solemn fossil]

Thats... Still osp though...

[sacred topaz]

Shield doesnt give OSP.

It's straight

The problem with it is that you have to rely on the 7 second recharge

If u get hit, the cooldown will reset

thats why people dont often tell u to use transcendence

[solemn fossil]

I get that but... Its still not a bad item

[sacred topaz]

Woolie rated the item a C tier

https://youtu.be/TE7PensJntU?t=2528

check it here

[solemn fossil]

If you don't get healing then its literally a life saver, i can see how if you have healing it can be bad, but if you also think about the fact that every healing item is now free scrap for more dmg items its pretty good

[sacred topaz]

I mean, it depends on the play style

many loop runners including myself literally have agreed that the item overall sucks

and Unless u know how to not get hit 65% of the time, it's best u just stick with normal shit.

[solemn fossil]

Oh ya i can see loop its bad, to many enemies to dodge at that point
-# loops use like a whole different item set ima be honest

[sacred topaz]

Gotta remember, Enemies scale the same as you, if not, higher than you. So if u make 1 simple mistake, u'd end up being dead the most than someone having mmm lets say 15x of trans

thats why I say

"No OSP"

because u get no OSP.

Even though u do, Once u get hit, u gotta wait 7 seconds + an additional 2 seconds for it to recharge fully

it does have 1 benefit

The Shrimp.

[elfin zinc]

ehhh transcendence isn't all that bad at all, really, alongside giving you more hp to deal with, it nullfilies a lot of elcipse modifiers like wookus said

if e8's playstyle is to avoid damage at all costs then yeah transcendence helps with that since if you do get hit you don't get curse iirc

and the 7 seconds thing, if you get hit by mithrix or something you can very much easily fuck off for a while and heal completely

literally a life saver if you don't get any healing items

having good healing surely lets you take hits, heal it off and continue attacking but if you get hit you'll most of the time fuck off for a while too

saying to not use transcendence on eclipse ever is kinda of a silly take, it has it's upsides and downsides

it's not an item you should avoid always like pre patch warped echo or something

[solemn fossil]

Has that been patched yet

[elfin zinc]

it has

[solemn fossil]

Oh I've still been avoiding it

[elfin zinc]

i mean it's still not a good item tbh

[solemn fossil]

At least i can grab it for when i inevitably find a scrapper now

[elfin zinc]

yea :D

[sacred topaz]

I have u ever went to e8?

[elfin zinc]

yea i picked up transcendence on e8 and didn't die

[sacred topaz]

i have said this already

[elfin zinc]

yup and that's totally valid tbh

[sacred topaz]

Depending on the playstyle, it's good.
But most of the time, u wouldn't really need it

[elfin zinc]

just wanted to say my take on it cause on my experience it's not that bad

[sacred topaz]

and it has no practical use besides what u listed. But even with that in mind, keep in mind that all of these already has it's workarounds

YYe I understand

Alot of people have an opinion of an item

I like the antlers
I hate the warped echo

It really depends on how u feeel

For transcendence, it's generally agreed that alot of people genuinely dont see the item really useful.

U heal really fucking fast further into the loops anyways

[elfin zinc]

i think it's also cause i don't loop at all

[sacred topaz]

There is no problem with the item overall. It has a good idea for it's practicality. But for it's execution values in certain critieria, it doesn't work.

yeah try dodgin the Grandparent's fuckin AOE Sun attack. Its possible to do so, but very annoying

[elfin zinc]

yea

it's possible to just hide behind cover but it's very annoying

you're more susceptible to being blasted by a random ass brass contraption shot too

just saw this image and thought like

holy sht we gotta pillar skip

@misty marten

[inner gull]

this is a girl who has e8 on most of the cast transcendence is extremely powerful on eclipse

also trans doesnt take away your osp that isnt true 7 (+2) seconds is going to be around the same time to full heal (if not faster) with good healing items (slug/wungus)

[inner gull]

osp isnt even good with how most deaths are because of multiple damage sources

[sacred topaz]

what are u basing this off from?

Aint nobody ever said it was "faster regen" if not "faster" than good healing items.

[sacred topaz]

it's called One Shot Protection.

most damage sources aren't one shot for sure. But the point is, u would lose the osp. Mostly OSP helps from Void Collapse

[inner gull]

osp isnt even good is my point

if you want to reduce damage from a single hit you have safer spaces and opals

[sacred topaz]

if this is where your basing, I'm basing my point through from experience using trans in multiple runs outside of E8 I have run it 3 times in e8, its horrible.
Depends on ur style of gameplay, it is mostly due to the fact that it's overshadowed by hundreds of items.,

[sacred topaz]

idk where u going with this btw.

[inner gull]

ive played a lot of the game and i have a good sense of the healing item power levels

[sacred topaz]

uhh, from what u said, I would have to disagree.

[severe sinew]

Spelling mistake spotted, invalidated.

[sacred topaz]

LMAO

OSP is (depending on the run) the most important mechanic to keep. The point of "osp isnt even good" is invalid by many reason.
There are countless of enemies in the game that could constantly one shot u. Especially Void Collapse from the Voidtouched enemies.

The reason why u wouldn't want transcendence is that reason in particular. As well as the long recharge of 7(+2) seconds.
You would heal almost instantly using medkits, leeches, Wungus, and also Repulsion.

You gotta keep in mind, that u have to avoid enemies in order to recharge ur shield.

[elfin zinc]

ok while i agree that osp can be useful sometimes, soometimes

i don't think void collapse is a good example at all

[sacred topaz]

oh no, it is.

There are countless runs where u die from Void Collapse.

[elfin zinc]

to get afflicted with void collapse you need to get hit by the voidtouched enemy which takes off your oneshot protection , most deaths from collapse it's cause you got hit, you got like 2 stacks of collapse and since you're already medium to low hp already you die

if you have a voidtouched clay templar shooting you and giving you a billion collapse stacks, the 1 bullet that hit you will take off your oneshot protection and the billions of collapse stacks will kill you

although i get it if you're talking form the looping perspective

you're more susceptible to getting the collapse debuff, and you heal super fast so you can just get your one shot protection back and survive the collapse

but i just don't loop much at all so that's not a situation that happens to me

[inner gull]

if youre looping the issue is that you alpha strike everything

by stage 11 youre either killing everything instantly or the run is dead typically

transcendence also facilitates that by allowing you get more damage by being able to scrap all of your healing

also safer spaces + opals exist

[sacred topaz]

ye thats if u dont have items

[sacred topaz]

With that these two, u best u dont run transcendence.

[inner gull]

??????

[sacred topaz]

U wont lose HP anyways if u just run healing items 🤣

[inner gull]

you literally cant heal if you dont take damage

[elfin zinc]

and also the e8 playstyle is avoiding damage as much as possible since it's a finite resource now

[severe sinew]

[sacred topaz]

and u can't recharge if u take damage.

[inner gull]

then retreat???

[sacred topaz]

The point is, U dont wanna waste exactly 7 seconds for the recharge.

Even with retreated, hiding in a place or anything like that, there are enemies that are constantly catching up to u. So by then, it's best u just avoid the item overall.

if ur good with trans, good for u

[elfin zinc]

[sacred topaz]

But not an item I would recommend to players

[inner gull]

avoiding damage is also a superior strategy than tanking it since you dont run the risk of not being able to heal fast enough or taking too much damage at once

[sacred topaz]

No not that trans.

[inner gull]

youve said you done e8 right

[sacred topaz]

Then why have transcendence

:3

[inner gull]

because it means you dont need any healing at all

[elfin zinc]

i haven't done e8 on anyone yet however i played with someone on e8 so i know how it feels

also i just wach ppl playing on e8 too

[inner gull]

taking damage is inevitable and trans means you dont take as much % of your hp and you heal it off soon

[sacred topaz]

Dont be with players who take every item to itself

[elfin zinc]

so you kinda get a feel to it too

[sacred topaz]

holy shit

I had that issue with Eclipse players

[inner gull]

you brought up e8 before im allowed to ask

[severe sinew]

Oi @inner gull, back to fighting for democracy.

[sacred topaz]

what?

[elfin zinc]

but, but but but the transcendence!

[sacred topaz]

bro pullin the Helldivers

[sacred topaz]

I don't understand this at all. U take the same % of damage as if u run HP. What do u mean by that exactly?

[inner gull]

it gives +50% hp

[sacred topaz]

as a max yeah.
But if u dont keep getting it, u probably die faster than someone using more

U still lose OSP

so unless u want to use transcendence, the only part of ur point or anyone I would agree is to dodge.
The problem is the enemy scale up in Eclipse 8. But like I said, it depends on ur playstyle.

okay they need to fix False Son Boss tbh

U go in the arena, and the mf doesn't spawn. And probably because I'm running mods, but even the base game, he bugs spawning

[elfin parrot]

hello fierian

[sacred topaz]

u new to Risk of Rain 2?

[elfin parrot]

yeh

[sacred topaz]

omg finally I can post images :3

@solemn fossil whats ur opinion on some of the new items?>

[solemn fossil]

Uhhh

I hate unstable transmitter

-# im ngl i can't differentiate the old reds from the new bc i can't remember which ones are old

[inner gull]

im asking because its generally very telling of a players philosophy on both a micro/macro level

[sacred topaz]

oh no

its not that

I'm a casual player, so seeing players tending to go ahead and take alot of the items and u at times have 0 or less annoys me

I wish we had "share items" back 😭

its not about ur knowledge or anything. Arguing about items and mechanics is both a learner of knowing player's playstyle and such and learning of the mechanics in many many words

[inner gull]

if youre playing pubs thats what youre going to get 99% of the time

i wouldnt recommend playing random multiplayer

[solemn fossil]

Pubs is just boring tbh no theory crafting, no coordination, half the time its just ror2 but there's another me running around

[sacred topaz]

lol

Even with friends.

Competitiveness just happens

[elfin parrot]

my health...

[inner gull]

recycler my beloved this is stage 1

[inner gull]

@elfin zinc since you liked the bolstering lantern giving +15% damage at full health concept id like to propose something similar

antler shield could be +X% damage while shield is up (and give a little shield on stack 1)

[elfin zinc]

that's good

both the give speed on shield and give damage on shield are good

antler shield really shoudl've been something like that instead of dmg reflection

razorwire does that but better

[inner gull]

speed while shield is up is probably better

[inner gull]

nevermind ive been lied to

at least i think i have been since i took a billion damage upon attacking one

ok it does prevent twisted damage (takes it to 1 but same thing) i just got hit by something random

[inner gull]

??? why would they do this

aurie fragments always have some of their items as sots items for no apparent reason

and the one you get in prime meridian for breaking all the geodes is 100% sots items

[solemn fossil]

Ya know i thought there was to be more aurelionite stuff i was really expecting some more money items, actually kinda hoping there would be stuff like amount of gold adds to dmg or armor
-# scaling with time ofc

[inner gull]

gosh if only there was room for a red that interacts with gold

[solemn fossil]

War bonds rework maybe

[inner gull]

my favorite part about war bonds is scrapping it

[solemn fossil]

-# idk if the previous statement about having a red interact with money was sarcasm or not

[inner gull]

it was yeah

[solemn fossil]

Oh

[inner gull]

@elfin zinc gonna rot through some looping for false son wanna join

[sacred topaz]

I like the idea that the aurelionite is based around the money system of Risk of Rain.

However, the way they execute it is pretty much horrendous

probably generalized by now, War Bonds is not a good red item. Only allowing u to get atleast 1-2 chests.
It does give +25 coins the more stacks you have, but that the cost of items increase so much that it's entirely worthless.

if anything, the best items by far that I believe is good enough in my books is taking Longstanding Solitude, Brittle Crown and also 57 Leaf Clover.

(oh and making sure u have command disabled.)

U get free purchases, free levels, I can also use the beloved Prayer Beads to store XP into stats and call it a god run.
-# making sure u have command disabled.

[sacred topaz]

I would agree, but for having above 50% hp or smth. Since you basically have to rely on having max HP very often. However ur hit almost anytime so.

As the item outside of concepts is kinda garabage. I will purpose an item that it gives base damage. instead of a fixed damage increase.

[inner gull]

solitude is bad because it limits the total number of purchases in the entire run to 96 or something around those numbers

[inner gull]

not to get into the philosophy on taking damage but base damage and % damage increases are effectively the same thing (assuming the base damage scales in level)

[sacred topaz]

% damage isn't base nor total.

[inner gull]

base damage and % damage increases do the same thing calculation wise if it scales off level

[sacred topaz]

its a fixed damage if I assume

[inner gull]

24 base damage, 1 watch, 1 focus crystal, 1 ap round (24 x 1.2 x 1.2 x 1.2 = 41.472) is the same in practice as 20 base damage, 1 watch, 1 focus crystal, 1 ap round, 1 hypothetical % damage item (20 x 1.2 x 1.2 x 1.2 x 1.2 = 41.472)

[solemn fossil]

Solitude can softlock you

You can't leave the aurelionite realm if you can't but the shrines

I found that the hard way

[sacred topaz]

Not to sound rude, but I rather have my ideas than having people protrude in mathematical equations to prove themselves right. So I appreciate it but there's really no time to go ahead and argue about damage in a roguelite game that already explains what total damage and base damage is.

[sacred topaz]

yeah. that's why I said dont have command

U will not the pools

😭

[inner gull]

command does nothing to change the softlocks for it

[sacred topaz]

it's a good lunar item, but it follows up by a whole number of softlocks that pretty much explains why people would avoid it

[solemn fossil]

It was my first time seeing the item so i wanted to know what it did very next stage was aurelionite

[sacred topaz]

I reiterate. BEFORE going into the Gold Portal, make sure u use the Cleansing Pool to purify the solitude lunar item.

that way

U will not get softlocked.

[inner gull]

oh right pools arent in command

[sacred topaz]

I made that apparent.

[inner gull]

wording wasnt clear apologies

[sacred topaz]

if anything, the best items by far that I believe is good enough in my books is taking Longstanding Solitude, Brittle Crown and also 57 Leaf Clover.
(oh and making sure u have command disabled.)

[inner gull]

pools do only spawn on verdant, wetland, sanctuary, scorched, sulfur, and sirens

with ~10% spawn rate for each stage iirc

sacrifice does bring that up to 30% though

[sacred topaz]

Aphelian Sanctuary

although that needs more verification

it spawns more. Again, need more playthroughs.

[inner gull]

it does spawn a significantly higher amount but thats only 1/5 of the stages assuming perfect stage rng

[sacred topaz]

Artifact of Sacrifice?

[inner gull]

ah just gave my drone a recycler on accident damn

yes

[sacred topaz]

it doesnt increase it.

I think?

okay it does

ok it does

[inner gull]

it does through less of other interactables spawning

[sacred topaz]

yeah

That's basically directives

*Directors

since there's less chest, there's more chances of other items spawning since those nodes are less occupied.

[sacred topaz]

yeah, I would personally ignore the Gold Portal entirel

if u have that

[inner gull]

also were you saying these are three of the best items

[sacred topaz]

sucks...

[sacred topaz]

The items that give u xp to level up faster

Not that they are the best items

Except 57 leaf clover.

[inner gull]

i dont get the clover hype

id probably say its only like #5 at best

[sacred topaz]

it increase luck, and each luck increase proc

[solemn fossil]

Aurelionite op though

[sacred topaz]

and brittle crown is a proc based item

[inner gull]

behind headstompers, drone parts, and behemoth for sure

[sacred topaz]

I have never really taken drone parts
I have used them and they are pretty good

But because any chance item relies on proc, 57 is the biggest game changer

it also increases Crit Hit Chance as well

[inner gull]

the issue with clover is it is entirely reliant on other items to work

excluding your base crit and arti burn chance

[sacred topaz]

because it affects luck, it also affects ur chances of getting better items.

[inner gull]

no it doesnt

luck is only applicable to the chance of items triggering (excluding tougher times), monster log drop chance, and elite aspect drop chance

[solemn fossil]

It really effects your luck, you could have mithrix miss you if have clover
-# /nsrs /silly /j

[sacred topaz]

LMAO

[sacred topaz]

Ah my fault

I was thinking purity

lol

ur right on that specific one

but, u didnt need a wiki to prove rights yknow

[inner gull]

purity doesnt affect item drop rate either?

[sacred topaz]

That's what makes 57 the hype

[sacred topaz]

these items for some reason

these can be fine

but everything else

nah

Although, -1 removes crit hit chance

so I'd rather balance out the 57 and the purity

[sacred topaz]

ur luck of getting that win would increase with 57

:3

[solemn fossil]

True

[sacred topaz]

So there is a reason u can understand the clover hype ad why people put it as top S-Tier

But, it's not really an item worth looking for unless u want god runs like a champ

[inner gull]

and excluding whispers i need to clarify

[inner gull]

i get why theres hype over clover but i dont understand it since its really a win more item a lot of the time

[sacred topaz]

I'd say its an item u wanna choose to have

its not an ESSENTIAL item like most items (for an example: lens, armor-giving items, etc etc)

[sacred topaz]

I have a mod that makes it so there's 100% chance to reflect damage back.

though I like that idea.

[inner gull]

it does like uh

on a good hit its equivalent to around a second of sustained fire from commando iirc

[sacred topaz]

the thing is

ur u have to be hit to make the antlers work

Thats why people like woolie say it sucks

[inner gull]

yeah thats why its bad

[solemn fossil]

How exactly does antler shield work?

[sacred topaz]

55%(+5%) chance of reflecting 10%(+10%) damage back to the attacker

[inner gull]

its 50% the ingame description is wrong

not that it changes anything

[solemn fossil]

Interesting...

[inner gull]

it does a pitful amount of damage and only on taking damage

[sacred topaz]

fair point I forgot LMAO

if u wanna do 100% damage, its a linear based item and u need 10 antlers to work

waste of time though

[solemn fossil]

Tbh if it blocked the dmg it would be good But then toghwr times would have no use.....oooo i have an idea

[sacred topaz]

I mean

it does work with safer spaces I think?????

idk

im about to do so modded rn

[inner gull]

i think its fundamentally flawed given how its just worse razorwire in every way

[sacred topaz]

tbh, I'd prefer razorwire with anything

because it only accounts to getting HIt and transfering the % damage to any enemy on radius.

Seekers my beloved

RISE AND RAZORWIRE EVERYTHING LMAO

[solemn fossil]

Ya know wjat typing out the idea made me realize it was a bad idea

[inner gull]

oh yeah it doesnt even work with any of the survivors that can tolerate taking damage except engineer turrets

[solemn fossil]

Why not

[inner gull]

i do like how seeker made it so on taking damage items are useable even at e8 for at least one character

[inner gull]

theres not an enemy to reflect to

[sacred topaz]

whats ya opinion for

Knockback Fin

[solemn fossil]

So mul-t turret mode its still bad for

[inner gull]

detrimental

wont even do fall damage most of the time until 10 stacks so it just throws off your aim

[solemn fossil]

And most enemies are ranged so its not like it keeps them from attacking

[sacred topaz]

oh and Im not gonna say Unstable Transmitter.
it relies on nodes to basically teleport to u. So if ur in certain areas, it fucks u over.

[inner gull]

since its based off the damage you take it gets worse with damage reduction iirc

[sacred topaz]

this mod man.

[inner gull]

which is another reason why i think its flawed and razorwire is fine

[solemn fossil]

Its killed me before

[sacred topaz]

Reflected damage works the same with Warped

[solemn fossil]

Oh thats stupid so only loader and engi can use it reliably

[sacred topaz]

so yeah

it gets worse.

[inner gull]

loader cant even use it reliably can she

[sacred topaz]

leader cant use it.

engineer wouldn't even use it either

*loader

[solemn fossil]

She gets barrier on hit so she can tank without getting hp dmg

[sacred topaz]

just get razor 😭

[inner gull]

barrier doesnt mean much and she gets a small amount

[sacred topaz]

Keep in mind, it's still the same scenario

[inner gull]

the issue with intentionally taking damage on most survivors is that its far too risky to intentionally take damage to deal damage

[solemn fossil]

Not if you're hitting big crowds iirc i haven't played her in so long

[inner gull]

rex it works since you can completely control it, engineer the turrets take damage instead, and seeker can control the damage taken

[sacred topaz]

I didnt realize this was changed

the bane of every runs start with them....

[inner gull]

twisted are almost completely nullified by trans as they only do 1 damage with it

[sacred topaz]

still no point

remove that elite immediatly

😭

[inner gull]

agreed

[inner gull]

malachites also have no debuff since you have no hp to heal

[sacred topaz]

Malachite part is reasonable

[inner gull]

their threat is damage not the debuff though imo

[sacred topaz]

the aurelionite elite sucks

they just take money.

and when u kill em, u get more

idek why that's even an elite at that point

also they feel tankier for some reason

[inner gull]

they have double the spawn chance and more hp/damage than other elites of the tier iirc

spawn chance part may have been fixed now though

[sacred topaz]

Whats the point of having gilded tbh

besides this really...