Server Challenge Submissions

[quartz gull]

its up there

[south mural]

and how many tries it takes

[quartz gull]

probably top 3 or 4 hardest

[quiet pilot]

Well, WR is around 25 mins. You need to do it in under 39.

[quartz gull]

@quiet pilot i assume youd want to have a completed hunter save so pebbs skips the beginning stuff and goes right to the dialogue right

[south mural]

how do you even send such big files?

[quartz gull]

upload to youtube

[quiet pilot]

Definitely ^^

[quartz gull]

or google drive, but mods prefer youtube

[quiet pilot]

Skips straight to the mark giving, so you can then quit out very speedily, you’ve got it.

[quartz gull]

uhhh i cant think of anything else, i assume there isnt enough time to get a mask yea?

[quiet pilot]

Probably not.

[quartz gull]

yeah that might end up being the biggest run killer

zonks on wall and upper cc

[quiet pilot]

I can’t remember if the circle loads faster when you’ve already loaded a game in the instance you’ve booted up Rain World or not

[south mural]

they didnt want to download files bc of security reasons

[polar geode]

Hmm

[quartz gull]

holding s while making a new save skips the intro

[toxic basin]

we settled on this

lizard will kill themselve

s

[polar geode]

Its not that hard tho

[quartz gull]

then upload to yt

[south mural]

isnt there a custom role for when someone fully lineaged outskirts?

[polar geode]

No

At least not from my knowledge

[south mural]

like "crimson dawn" or something

https://docs.google.com/document/d/18Om3T-wXYD4D0WXq1LcUXR8OwOtTrWlJjS6MAAixiRA/edit#heading=h.l6nzu1sbqtqb

here

[quartz gull]

anyway im off to school now, cya later everyone

[quartz gull]

these are custom roles

[south mural]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/907053130640932875/1040026031626670090/caption.gif

[quartz gull]

they cant be claimed if you repeat the challenge

and custom roles are dying anyway since they reached the capacity so

[south mural]

look at original message

[quartz gull]

oh sorry

i thought you said challenge role, not custom

[south mural]

yeah, bad wording is my thing

sorry

(plus i think lineaging more than 2 lizards would drive me insane)

[polar geode]

Its not that hard

Seriously

[south mural]

did <@&904855345896230943>, TOOK 52 CYCLES

[polar geode]

Forgot what feast was about

[quartz gull]

bad lineage luck

[south mural]

IN THE 50% GW ONE

[quartz gull]

i got it in abt 21

[polar geode]

Oh the centipede one

[south mural]

Also maybe will never do <@&821078631425769503> just bc of Cyan lineage

Why not just allow Hunter?

[polar geode]

Its funny to do these challenges now because when I started playing everything seemed so broken and unfair to kill, now they just seem like little annoyances than anything else

[polar geode]

That would be way harder I think

[south mural]

no, did it with him already

took 4 atts

[polar geode]

Not really sure about it, I only did 3 challenges

[south mural]

those are?

[polar geode]

Journey, Foe and Mother

[south mural]

jeez

[polar geode]

Foe is pretty easy when you have a king vulture mask

[south mural]

I did Visitor, Scholar, Chieftain, Feast (fuckyou), Enlightement, Saint and Friend

[polar geode]

Thats a lot

[south mural]

Saint was the hardest, Visitor the easiest

Feast was just a 2 hour grind

[polar geode]

Saint requires some prep because of popcorns plants I presume

[south mural]

yeah, but eating dead lizards/dropwigs is also allowed

[polar geode]

That sucks actually

[south mural]

dead batflies too, but why

[toxic basin]

you can do anything as long as you don't get credit for the kill

[south mural]

the biggest problem is that I did it in another custom challenge run

[polar geode]

Makes it more tolerable

[polar geode]

Which challenge?

[south mural]

look and analyze this image

it tells everything

[polar geode]

Oh

I see

[south mural]

Cycle 1 was into CC, then Exterior echo, then SI echo, then CC echo, cycle 2 to Pebsi, cycle 3 The Wall>Underhang>Leg>Memory>SH/SL gate, cycle 4 moon revive + ascension

took 3 tries

[polar geode]

Why would you do this route is beyond me

[south mural]

since it is the fastest

takes the least cycles

[polar geode]

Well if go to chimney > industrial > shaded you can get very fast at shoreline

[south mural]

you need to meet Pebsi and echoes

SL has direct connection to SB

and HI>SH gate requires 5 karma

[polar geode]

Just dont die

[south mural]

this was with 8 deaths, mostly bc of RNG and camping Miros/DLL/Levi

Not going to do it deathless, ever

[polar geode]

Ive come to appreciate the simulations that are done before we arrive at the rooms

[south mural]

what rooms?

[polar geode]

Sometimes things get so stupidly fucked up that I cant help but think that the devs somehow thought about that specific interaction

[polar geode]

Its not really RNG

The interactions are simulated before you get in the room

That why sometimes you get there and something is going on already

[south mural]

DLLs camping pipes FOREVER and Levi in the room before LttM seems pretty rigged if you ask me

Do the challenge youself and you will see

[polar geode]

Its still not RNG

Im gonna do this challenge next

I need to study for my exams first :p

[south mural]

Levi has an offscreen den that randomly throws it in one of the oceans every cycle

So like 33% chance for it to spawn there

[polar geode]

Hmmm didnt know that

What challenge are you doing next?

[south mural]

there is some kind of trigger that allows scavs/vultures/levis to go into certain rooms

[south mural]

currently doing descension, stuck in GW

[polar geode]

Descension seems very chill to do

Wished there were more combat focused challenges

[south mural]

first doing the easiest, then going to harder

[polar geode]

Foe was my favorite for sure

[south mural]

gotta get the Challenger role to overwrite Monk

[polar geode]

You can always talk more lol

[south mural]

challenger seems more fun

Also maybe you will enjoy <@&710572766855823371>, it is chill and combat-based

[polar geode]

Outlaw will take a lot of time

Im stuck between doing Ascension and Saint

Also dont ping the role

Everyone that has it will be mentioned

[south mural]

You cannot ping a role ig

At least I have been told so

[south mural]

Sait is fun, Ascended seems long and grindy

The fastest one is Visitor for sure

[polar geode]

Every hard challenge requires some practice

Also Mother is so overrated

It actually hurts

[south mural]

Saint and Outlaw and Pilgrimage only require preparation

[south mural]

Like too hard or too easy?

[polar geode]

Its easier than people say it is

[south mural]

idk, will not do it in some time, first gotta grind

[polar geode]

Im very excited for my vacations, so I can torture myself doing Expedition missions deathless and doing all the community challenges as well

[south mural]

Where to find community challenges?

[polar geode]

The challenges you are doing

Are community challenges

[south mural]

those are discord ones ig

just the base ones, not custom

[polar geode]

Made by the community

[south mural]

oh

[polar geode]

What got me into doing these challenges was Expedition itself

[south mural]

i thought it had something to do with an "community challenges (soon)" part of challenge sheet

like when it opens, and what it is?

[polar geode]

Not sure

I play this game since 2018, but I only started to interact with the community in 2020 and now

So I dont know a lot of stuff that happens around here

[south mural]

Some challenges I made for it (all tested and done)

Complete a Hunter run in 5 or less hibernations

Complete a Monk run with 100 All reputation

[rotund latch]

i play this game since 2023 and only started to interact with the community in 2023

[south mural]

I play it from 2020 and started in 2023

[polar geode]

You started with DP?

[rotund latch]

i got dp right after beating the game

[polar geode]

That's better

DP has some paywalled fixes

Its so bs that it hurts

[south mural]

yeah

[rotund latch]

not really

remix has most of the qol changes etc

[south mural]

like why tf do you need MSC to unlock all arenas/hunter/sandbox?

[polar geode]

Watch WILD video

[rotund latch]

while downpour provides the ACTUAL content

like new areas and slugcats

[polar geode]

Fixes in geometry and straight up new rooms that fixes some issues are behind DP

They could easily be added to vanilla

[south mural]

like really, why?

[polar geode]

Because they simply fix bugs

[south mural]

also why is Coop paywalled?

it just bugs me out

[rotund latch]

true that one shouldnt really

[south mural]

it works perfectly fine if you have MSC disabled

[molten trench]

it isnt

[polar geode]

https://youtu.be/lwv-PaLTM2c 27:18

[molten trench]

you just have to downgrade to 1.5 and install bepinex

and install the buggy 1.5 version of coop

but yeah imo coop shouldnt be paywalled

[polar geode]

1.9 coop is paywalled

And it doesn't make any sense why

[polar geode]

But the geometry fixes being paywalled are even more criminal

[south mural]

can we just talk about the fact Collection tab is also paywalled?

[molten trench]

is it?

[south mural]

yeah

[rotund latch]

pay for it then we love our developers

[south mural]

paid for Downour already, just it feels bullshit in the first place

[rotund wharf]

I mean it's an entirely new feature that they had to add in

[south mural]

yeah, but it feels more like a QoL then a new concept you pay for

[molten trench]

exactly

[south mural]

Like Coop shouldnt be paywalled too

[molten trench]

and coop was already a thing way before downpour, for free

[south mural]

Or geometry fixes

[rotund wharf]

I mean someone had to spend dozens of working hours creating it gotta eat right

[south mural]

Yeah, but it just FEELS wrong

like Remix or vannila bugs are free

and the 1.9 port too

[rotund wharf]

[molten trench]

slugcat with 6 legs

[south mural]

brown scug

I feel like gifting some QoL changes for free yet paywalling some is not really well-thinked

like even the level editor is completely free

[molten trench]

yeah its "free"

its also confusing as hell and needs a lot of expirience to make something that looks good

[south mural]

that is why Unity is so good, the level editors in it feel similar and universal

even adding a new echo is not a problem if you ever looked at code

[molten trench]

yeah but the game doesnt utilize unity past "compile it into an executable window"

and using color variables

[south mural]

game physics and rendering and crash handler

[molten trench]

oh yeah and the debug log

the physics is not handled via unity

nor is all the rendering except actually putting it in the game window

[south mural]

yeah

still Unity games feel similar in some way or another

[molten trench]

rain world really doesnt feel like a unity game tho

[tranquil stream]

Usurper https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h86xMSk7jQc

[balmy falcon]

knowing movement tech gives you more margin of error

i had some god awful rng and made a ton of mistakes and still got 41:15

some luck is involved but otherwise it's doable

[balmy falcon]

upper CC more so tbh, by the time you get to the wall sometimes the cycle is over and the whites have all gone to bed

can someone answer my question please

[polar geode]

probably yes

[balmy falcon]

understandable really

[tranquil stream]

I wouldn't invalidate it since centipede didn't leave the shelter

[balmy falcon]

the cycle timer pops up and shows that only one pip was consumed when i enter the shelter, though i also get the concern that there's like 20 ish seconds of that cycle that can't be accounted for

[tranquil stream]

it's like nothing

the point of the challenge is to carry lil tormentor to drainage

[balmy falcon]

[dense geode]

Maybe this might be a better channel for it

How can I be faster in ascension challenge

I find myself leaving pebbles around 26-29 minute mark. I don’t think that gives me enough time

[quiet pilot]

Are you quitting out once you get the mark from Pebbles, and loading in from Outskirts?

[dense geode]

HOLY SHIT

[tranquil stream]

see other people runs

[dense geode]

I didn’t think of that

I figured out it’s optimal to do 2 karma starves so I can go straight to pebbles but I never thought of quiting out

[tranquil stream]

so you get to know routes, strats and movement

[quiet pilot]

Yes, watching other people’s runs is good advice ^^

[dense geode]

Where can I find them?

[dense geode]

Is the mark saved no matter what, karma too?

Well, going down one karma but you know what I mean

[quiet pilot]

The spreadsheet! Just ctrl + f for Ascension ^^

[dense geode]

Oh yeah, I forgor bout that

[tranquil stream]

it is saved once you get it

[quiet pilot]

Yup! As long as you get the mark, you’ll get the karma too. Other things include: 1) holding down S when creating a new save skips the intro completely 2) make sure to have opened a game in that booted up instance of Rain World, as it reduces loading time by a small amount 3) have a Hunter run that’s visited Pebbles on that save file and hibernated, so you skip the dialogue and get the mark immediately ^^

[dense geode]

Does it skip the second half of his dialogue

[quiet pilot]

You don’t need the second half ^^

[dense geode]

I noticed it was skipping the “what the fuck is this creature” part of his talk

[dense geode]

I can’t leave till he turns gravity back on tho

[quiet pilot]

Oh, but I mean quit

[dense geode]

Ohhh

I see

[quiet pilot]

Itll teleport you back to the beginning of the cycle in outskirts

Mmhm! Once you hear the sound

[dense geode]

I’m on save 3 but on my save 1 I have doen a hunter run. Will that work?

[quiet pilot]

I’m not sure but I suspect no.

[dense geode]

Huh

Then why is he skipping his dialogue

That’s odd

For me when I enter his chamber, he instant gives mark

Like lifts me up and gives me it

I can check in a bit if I done hunter on that file

I don’t think I have

I have the speedrun options on so maybe that might be it

[quiet pilot]

I believe that individual Hunter save can be deleted on that file, as long as you don’t delete the whole file, but I’m not entirely sure. I’ve just been using a save with a Hunter one done for sure.

[dense geode]

I will be sure to use the save quitting

I thought of one cycling pebbles but save quitting completely left my mind, even though I’ve been karma caching to begin with

[quiet pilot]

I look forward to seeing you complete it! ^-^ good luck

[polar geode]

mfw when I play with WASD

it feels criminal to play with arrow keys

[quiet pilot]

Oh also! Have you done Visions and/or Journey? They’re in the same vein but are easier and get you to practise some of the routing ^^ (though often in reverse lol)

I believe it’s just S. I use S and a controller and it seems to work!

[dense geode]

I haven’t, I want the orange role. However I believe I have a good sense of the map (thank you addiction)

But I may try one if I’m still struggling

Oh wait

[quiet pilot]

may I have a screenshot of your cyan

[dense geode]

Is filtration changed still with MSC disabled?

Or is it reverted to old map

[quiet pilot]

Old map.

[dense geode]

That makes things much easier thank god

[quiet pilot]

It really does. I still remember turning on MSC for the first time and I think was in filtration being so so lost 😅

[balmy falcon]

i didn't know that

what do you mean by holding down s

like just as i'm creating that new save?

[quiet pilot]

Mmhm! As the circle is filling ^^

Cyan’s are one, in my experience! (I think it’s 2-3, but I just feed them one thing and they seem friendly immediately)

[balmy falcon]

interesting

that's good to know for my next run

lizards are typically 2-3, could be less for individual lizards and/or at high lizard rep

though i've gotten really lucky with feedings so far, most of mine only needed one

[quiet pilot]

Mmhm. And a baby noot is two food pips so, almost certainly!

[balmy falcon]

f

[dense geode]

It’s a whole new maze in MSC now lmao

[balmy falcon]

i don't think it's that bad

i'm kind of always lost in FS, so it makes no difference to me lol

[quiet pilot]

For sure

[formal ledge]

passages (first screenshot is showing whats left from downpour)

[toxic basin]

expedition leader and champion...

[formal ledge]

I'm really close to both actually

hopefully gonna get it later this month

can't get myself to play 70 though

[tranquil stream]

me when rain world https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCLmCqZRvrc

[jagged igloo]

my visitor challenge (also i think wuss% WR but literally nobody is running this)

[valid stone]

Damn nice

[balmy falcon]

wuss%

ooh that movement

so so satisfying

i really need to learn fpc properly

[jagged igloo]

fpc probably ranks at the top of my list for effort-to-payoff ratio in movement tech

it's extremely easy to do and makes you go noticeably faster

[balmy falcon]

i keep jumping off the pole instead

haven't figured out why that keeps happening, but i'm gonna practice it

maybe i'm doing the inputs too far apart? i had a look at the movement wiki again and it's pretty fast

[jagged igloo]

pressing jump too late after the directional input is my general guess but yeah impossible to tell

[balmy falcon]

yeah okay

[jagged igloo]

the way i do it is just pressing jump in some rhythm and pressing the directional input every other "beat"

[balmy falcon]

yeah

i get scared because if i jump off in a place like. upper CC i lose way more time than if i just climbed normally but i should practice in outskirts

that little pole hop double jump looks useful too

[jagged igloo]

it helps to know that the punishment for messing up fpc is usually just that you don't cancel the boost

[balmy falcon]

does that require turn storage though?

[jagged igloo]

messing up the rhythm for a properly executed one at least

[balmy falcon]

yeahhh well

that's the less bad consequence

the worse one is jumping off the pole

[jagged igloo]

backflip pole momentum doesn't require turn storage, just a backflip

[balmy falcon]

ah okay

https://rwtechwiki.github.io/docs/movement/poleboostpolemomentumjump/

was looking at this one

turn storage on a pole is something else though, i got them mixed up

[jagged igloo]

poleboostpolemomentumjump is the same idea it just doesnt go as high because you dont have the backflip momentum

[balmy falcon]

hmm okay

i feel like the backflip version might be easier for me honestly

[jagged igloo]

the backflip version is more generally useful afaik

[balmy falcon]

it's just backflip, grab onto pole during flip, and then jump off the pole while maintaining momentum ?

[jagged igloo]

backflip, grab onto pole, jump, then jump again within 5 frames of leaving the pole

[balmy falcon]

i see

will practice that too

[jagged igloo]

when you have the backflip momentum the pole boost doesn't stop you at the top of the pole which is why it works

smarter minds can answer questions in #movement

[balmy falcon]

i should really pop in there sometime considering i'm trying to get ascension

[final wagon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b_XCre6DSE

Scholar

[jagged igloo]

is there some kind of special trick to get the scavengers at shaded to follow you to moon

the sheet says the difficulty of chieftain is 1.8 and the lowest on there but the scavs cannot figure out how to follow me to the shoreline gate

they want to follow me but they always stop at the bridge gap they can't cross

[austere schooner]

i used the sub gate

[jagged igloo]

that... would probably be it

[austere schooner]

or batspear link and give one to a scav

[jagged igloo]

am i gonna have to learn what the hell that is for other challenges

i've heard of it but done 0 research

[austere schooner]

stabbing one bat on two spears connects them, notably leaving a room with one forces the other through the pipe

including anything else the other spear’s stuck in

[jagged igloo]

would the challenge even be valid with a dead scav

[austere schooner]

i don’t think it’s necessary for any challenge

no but i think a scav holding it will also teleport

[jagged igloo]

speaking of the sub gate

i have 0 idea how to cross this room in SL without bubble weed

let alone get a scav through it

[austere schooner]

they teleport to moon once you hibernate

jetfish op

[balmy falcon]

you only need them in the gate room

they don't even have to pass the gate with you

[jagged igloo]

i wonder if i've just never had a scav following me in the right capacity then

i've gone back and forth from shaded to shoreline multiple times and never had scavengers wake up with me

[dawn dragon]

Can usurper be done on a fresh hunter save

I know the trick to get a kv mask on cycle 19

[fair cape]

https://youtu.be/AT7rigEALDY FINALY!

this took so many attempts

[austere schooner]

i believe it has to be hunter

[dawn dragon]

Imagine having to lineage KVs for that challenge

[balmy falcon]

two KVs at that

[fair cape]

that just seems like genuine pain

[austere schooner]

you’d have to lineage them as hunter too iirc

[dawn dragon]

I had a KV spawn in cycle 19

Don't think you need to lineage KVs as hunter

[balmy falcon]

chimney has an abundance of them

[dense geode]

dammit

missed by 4 minuts

[dawn dragon]

I wouldn't even know how the lineages work for vultures since there's no lineage on the interactive map

[austere schooner]

there are, find the offscreen den

[dawn dragon]

Offscreen den is just 1 line tho

[dense geode]

actually are load times + time in menu counted in the run?

[austere schooner]

you do to get 2 of them in a region, unless you double spawn

[austere schooner]

i assume so

[dense geode]

alright

welp, time to go again

[dawn dragon]

CC definitely has a lot of KVs for hunter

[austere schooner]

vanilla channel

[dawn dragon]

Let me find the other map

[austere schooner]

https://henpemaz.github.io/Rain-World-Interactive-Map/

[verbal mural]

you'd have to double spawn farms for a second kv

i recommend cc cause if you use the cycle 19 vulture trap other stuff can get in the way

blues, centis, scavs, even noots

[austere schooner]

god not noots

it'd be cool if double spawning a region doubled the noot eggs

[verbal mural]

got quite annoying so i went to the wall/cc shelter and got usurper there

oh wait i did it as hunter

[dawn dragon]

Alright

Anyone has a hunter save at that gate with a convenient grub 🙏

[austere schooner]

i wonder if double spawning exterior then getting both kings there is viable

since you won't have to fight any regular vultures

[dawn dragon]

Hmm

[austere schooner]

this seems like a p good spot

[dawn dragon]

Can you grub at the top of the wall

Or does it not work there

[austere schooner]

doubt it works

that'd also be a horrible spot to fight kings

[verbal mural]

not the very top but a few rooms lower down work

[dawn dragon]

The top would be a perfect place to fight ngl

Sad it doesn't work

[austere schooner]

why?

[dawn dragon]

Maybe I'll just do CC

[verbal mural]

also yeah it'd be good for baiting the harpoons but there's no low ceiling to trap them under

[dawn dragon]

I just like long flat areas for vultures I guess

The issue with trapping them is that it's kinda hard to tell if they're still alive

[austere schooner]

i think this is the highest room you can see a vulture in

so why do all the whites hang out there

[verbal mural]

i'll check my vid to see how many spears it took

i think it was 7-8 but i wanna double check

[balmy falcon]

yeah

[verbal mural]

i think 7 to the body for one of them and 7 body + 1 head shot for another?

ok actually 6 + demask for my 2nd one to pacify

[tall kindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEq1J6JvjvY

finally back on that challenge grind

[balmy falcon]

twink muscle

[tall kindle]

twinkmuscle

[distant kestrel]

💪

[tall kindle]

[dawn dragon]

i hate that emote name

[austere schooner]

🦾

[dawn dragon]

🦾

[tall kindle]

[jagged igloo]

THEYRE HERE

[balmy falcon]

mole lizard

how long does it normally take to get through depths anyway?

[distant kestrel]

rip

actually don't know I haven't timed it

I'll time mine rq

[balmy falcon]

i wish the mole lizard that likes camping the pipe i need to use in this room a very die

[distant kestrel]

took me about 6 minutes to get from the start to the last screen transitioj

A VERY DIE

[dawn dragon]

Is the route still DS

[balmy falcon]

yeah okay that sounds about right

yeah DS

[distant kestrel]

DS is op

ohhhh

[balmy falcon]

outskirts-DS pops you out into FS, and then it's just three rooms to depths

very fast

[distant kestrel]

yeah what else would it be

[austere schooner]

that little stretch in drainage from outskirts to sub

[dawn dragon]

Helps that the first room is basically empty

[austere schooner]

is so much fun

[balmy falcon]

yeah that part's grown on me ngl

[dawn dragon]

Just thinking I should try journey soon

[balmy falcon]

journey's fun

get a dumb skin to make it funnier

[dawn dragon]

Funny thing is one time I accidentally went to shoreline

Too used to hunter moment

[balmy falcon]

rip

[fair cape]

are you allowed to turn no karma requirements on for devotee?

[dawn dragon]

It wasn't a journey run tho

Just a regular surv run

[austere schooner]

it won’t help you see the echoes iirc

[balmy falcon]

SL-SB gate is so far from FS though

[fair cape]

damn

[austere schooner]

just karma cache

[fair cape]

oh yeah forgot that existed

[distant kestrel]

yes no karma requirements doesn't actually disable all karma requirements in the game

just gates

[dense geode]

i think i did it

[balmy falcon]

hell fuckin yeah

[dense geode]

i got bullied by void worms so im glad the void swim doesnt count

they kept swimming up into me like 5-6 times

im just glad its (hopefully) over

[balmy falcon]

gonna be my turn sooner or later

if the rng is nice to me

but yeah it's last camera transition

when your speedrun timer stops ticking that's where it stops

[jagged igloo]

lmao is that challenge literally just to do an any% run

[balmy falcon]

it's pebbles%

literally just pebbles% route

any% has guardian skip

[dense geode]

this challenge has reminded me why i dislike speedrunning (personally)

[jagged igloo]

oh

[dense geode]

i just really wanted an orange color role

[jagged igloo]

fun :3

[balmy falcon]

fair! also ascension is a cool challenge to tick off

now everyone knows you are speed

[jagged igloo]

ive just been doing the list top to bottom but honestly that is probably not a good way to do it

[balmy falcon]

probably not

[dense geode]

im still trying to figure out how mother is harder than having to learn pebbles% but im sure ill suffer later if i get to it

[balmy falcon]

i'm actually more confident about the speedrun challenges myself, which is why i'm doing ascension

eh well. pebbles% is just... go fast dodge everything

[jagged igloo]

the difficulty ratings are not accurate at all, since they're just simple averages and people have their own scales

[dense geode]

ohh

[jagged igloo]

chieftan is somehow marked as easier than visitor

[balmy falcon]

to be fair chieftain really is really easy

[jagged igloo]

visitor takes literally 6 minutes on a fresh save

[dense geode]

i could get chieftan role actually

[balmy falcon]

someone only used spears for visitor

which probably bumped the score a little

[jagged igloo]

lmao

[dense geode]

i took a picture of some scavs i saw in lttm on my switch one time. i glitched them in there on accident

[balmy falcon]

[dense geode]

unknowingly too

unless they changed the validation for that challenge

[balmy falcon]

it's just a screenshot

should be fine

[jagged igloo]

chieftain was annoying as fuck for me because i was getting slammed by creature AI in shoreline after doing a bad route

[balmy falcon]

the most annoying part for me was trying to make sure enough came into the gate with me so they'd warp to shoreline

[dense geode]

i swear they nerfed scav ai in the downpour update

[balmy falcon]

they loved greeting me when i entered sub from shoreline though

[dense geode]

like, so they arent as goofy

like i havent been shelter party'd by scavs in awhile, but it happened often on switch

[balmy falcon]

lmao

[jagged igloo]

its happening regularly to me

[balmy falcon]

i wouldn't know, i always try to avoid having that happen

[jagged igloo]

im using my chieftain save while i do descension so its just scavenger world tour

[balmy falcon]

god same

i did most of my challenges on the same save

they kept getting in the way

scav clogs twice during visions

[jagged igloo]

they get to hang around for the traumatic experience of me killing myself everywhere

[dense geode]

can you inform me how the glitch works? im still not sure how it works, nor how i did it unintentionally (i didnt lead scavs through shoreline, they just showed up in lttm)

[balmy falcon]

i should have broken chieftain, but they somehow just... liked me even more than before??

the easiest way, imo, or at least the least technical way is to just get a bunch into the SL-SB gate with you

just get them into the room, they don't even have to pass the gate

the more of them the better, i had to back a return trip because only one followed me in and it didn't warp over for some reason but the next time the entire party popped into the room with me and it worked

[jagged igloo]

dont even bother with the shaded citadel scavs

[balmy falcon]

i tried doing GW first lol

damned leeches

[jagged igloo]

theoretically possible but they do not cross the bridge except by extreme rng

never bothered with GW

[balmy falcon]

SL-SB gate is basically your only ticket. getting chieftain the passage makes it much easier

alternatively, you can do the batspear glitch

[jagged igloo]

the easiest way is to get the chieftain passage in outskirts by abusing the scav toll

since theres like 6 respawning spears next to it

[balmy falcon]

oh lmao

nice

[jagged igloo]

then you just have to get to sub and toss the scavs a pearl boom you have your own party

[dense geode]

oh okay htats how

i thought they had to go with you

[balmy falcon]

yeah

nah

[jagged igloo]

its a good idea to try to herd them into the gate though

so they dont accidentally leave

[balmy falcon]

yeah if you can get them in with you

but they don't have to pass with you

i got impatient

[jagged igloo]

idk about you but i kind of like waking up to scav sleepover

[dense geode]

also that scav in the bottom right is just having a full on panic attack at existing

[balmy falcon]

i spawned in glitched into a scav once

the moment i unclipped from its body it stabbed me

[jagged igloo]

lmao

[dense geode]

[dense geode]

idky they dont do it for me then. maybe i just move through the world too fast for a group to catch up

or just dont get rep high enough

[balmy falcon]

probably a mixture of both

i deliberately try to outrun them because i hate being crammed into a shelter with them

they take my shit and then get mad at me for reclaiming it

[dense geode]

but its funny

[balmy falcon]

they blocked me from leaving the shelter in sky islands near the chimney gate

literally had to quit out because i could Not leave

after that i swore never again

[dense geode]

[jagged igloo]

its a rep thing

[dense geode]

i remember one barging into my shelter in sub while i was transporting a pearl to moon

[jagged igloo]

i am fastrolling, eihopping, etc all over the world they still find me

[dense geode]

and i had to kill him cause he kept getting angy when i took my pearl upon reawakening

the other scavs didnt seem to care too much (had max rep) but i still felt bad lol

[jagged igloo]

oh i would definitely annihilate scav rep before doing any moon pearl things

or use a new save lul

[dense geode]

nah, i didnt feel confident in my fighting abilities

so having scavs as friends made more sense

[jagged igloo]

admittedly i suck at fighting anything in enclosed spaces but i just outrun stuff

[balmy falcon]

i try to be friendly with them without having chieftain

[jagged igloo]

i'll figure it out for hunter score run

[balmy falcon]

if it sucks hit da bricks

[dense geode]

they were trying to reach you about your cars extended warranty..

[balmy falcon]

[dense geode]

i suck at fighting scavs without arty or spearmaster

mainly cause id rather just get on their good side and not deal with em

[balmy falcon]

same

[dense geode]

it tends to paly out more interesting in those situations

[balmy falcon]

i like having high lizard rep though

it's fun

they just become cute

[jagged igloo]

bro what the fuck is happening

im just trying to suicide in outskirts why are there like 4 lizards guarding the only exit i need zzz

[balmy falcon]

[dense geode]

though when i do...

its fun fighting them with the op scugs

because infinite spears or better mobility evens it imo

[balmy falcon]

arti and spearmaster are so fun

love airstriking as arti

[dense geode]

most casual outskirts visit

[dawn dragon]

I kill a lot of scavs as hunter

[dense geode]

everything is lacking in braincells

[balmy falcon]

including slugcat

[tall kindle]

[balmy falcon]

every time i see that emote i laugh

it looks like a weird deformed banana

[tall kindle]

its so funny

[jagged igloo]

i swear if you arent allowed to do fastfall shit to die im gonna cry

[balmy falcon]

you can fast fall from there?

i don't think descension is possible without fast fall

[jagged igloo]

you can fastfall anywhere you can grab a ledge lol

[balmy falcon]

huh

i thought cause that part was sloped it wouldn't work

[jagged igloo]

it was a lot tighter timing wise

[balmy falcon]

most people choose the worm grass pit for outskirts

[jagged igloo]

i was going to use the pit but i was worried if the worm grass would cause any issues for validation

so i picked this spot instead

[balmy falcon]

yeah fair

basically everyone else used the worm grass pit i think

feeding the grass

[jagged igloo]

im special

[balmy falcon]

we love to see it /gen

every time someone submits a descension run i just gleefully flick through all the videos

[jagged igloo]

LOL

[balmy falcon]

always a delight when someone picks a new spot to do something

[jagged igloo]

ngl i picked my shoreline spot for no other reason than it looked funny

swan dive

[balmy falcon]

oh hell yeah i love seeing the shoreline clips

[jagged igloo]

i was doing fastfall wrong so there were other spots i tried that i thought wouldnt work

[balmy falcon]

[jagged igloo]

but it was just me being stupid

[balmy falcon]

i actually did mine in moon's can

i was the first person to do shoreline i think

[dense geode]

oh god

[tall kindle]

u need fastfall

[dense geode]

i just remembered that the challenge for gettign all sandbox items exist

[tall kindle]

it doesnt include dp

[balmy falcon]

lol yeah

[tall kindle]

its not that hard in vanilla

[dense geode]

ik, but it still sucks

[balmy falcon]

does it reset if you like

delete your save?

[dense geode]

its just gonna be tedious

[balmy falcon]

cause how would you verify it otherwise?

[jagged igloo]

new saves can recollect the collectibles yeah

[balmy falcon]

okay cool yeah

cause i know i got a bunch while running around with downpour on

[dense geode]

i just turned on the unlock all so id have to start fresh

[balmy falcon]

f

[dense geode]

which is better, easier to keep track up

[jagged igloo]

every single one of the challenges past visions looks like a whole-day affair

[tall kindle]

you only need screenshots of every map, the 9 hunter unlocks and jelly + dll

[jagged igloo]

😢

[balmy falcon]

charged took me two hours

[tall kindle]

bro whar

[balmy falcon]

visions around the same

from having to reset after failed runs

[tall kindle]

charged took me like 30 minutes from a fresh save

[balmy falcon]

okay maybe not two

but close to one hour at least

i kept dying to lizards

[tall kindle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/291236940831916032/1095202649575530566/vaulturder.mp4

[dense geode]

i can tell you that scholar made my final cycle count for my survivor on switch be 362

[balmy falcon]

i don't even know if my video would work

[jagged igloo]

instead of doing these sorted by difficulty i should do them sorted by # of runs

[balmy falcon]

cause i forgot to record like the first 20 seconds of one of the cycles

[jagged igloo]

its prob gonna be more accurate

[balmy falcon]

i left the centipede in my den though

[dense geode]

fur pls what is that skin mode i want

[tall kindle]

of runs doesnt include any challenges before the form started so its not completely accurate either

[jagged igloo]

for comparative purposes though it's good enough

[tall kindle]

its recolored echocat sprites

[dense geode]

echocat isnt updated to workshop yet :despair:

[balmy falcon]

okay but. lyn can you let me know if this invalidates the run

all i did was eat fruit

that's half the reason i haven't submitted my charged run yet, i don't want to waste verifiers' time if this would already invalidate it

[jagged igloo]

actually im about to go into drainage system for descension, where do i have to get a baby centipede

maybe i can do charged and descension together

[balmy falcon]

i grabbed mine from industrial

[tall kindle]

these are the ones i think you can reasonably do in 1 day

[balmy falcon]

oh yeah feast is easy

you're just waiting for lineages

[tall kindle]

you can use the old sprites

[jagged igloo]

i think i have the movement skill to do ascension in a reasonable amount of time

[tall kindle]

you just need to mess with the arm png a bit

[balmy falcon]

yeah ascension shouldn't be an issue for you

[tall kindle]

ascension isnt about movement skill

its like 60% luck

[balmy falcon]

so i've learned

[tall kindle]

the hard part isnt going fast, its completing a run in the first place

[dense geode]

guardian sounds like the worst imo

[jagged igloo]

🤔 that bad?

[tall kindle]

guardian is fine

[balmy falcon]

lizard rng can really screw you

[dense geode]

that or the monk starving one

[tall kindle]

symbiote is a joke

the only hard parts of it are the shitty corridors

[balmy falcon]

i've never done squid starve flight so idk what to expect with it lol

[dense geode]

not for someone like me who suffers from a disorder known as skill issue

[tall kindle]

its pretty controllable

[jagged igloo]

starve, backflip with squidcada, hold up and press jump

infinite height weeeeee

[balmy falcon]

pls answer

[tall kindle]

u dont need to hold up

[balmy falcon]

oh it's just jump? huh

[jagged igloo]

maybe placebo but it didnt fucking work at all when i didnt hold up then when i did it worked

[tall kindle]

uhhhh

[tall kindle]

that is the biggest placebo ever

this is like me thinking you have to press jump to grab poles

[balmy falcon]

the cycle timer does pop up when i go into the shelter and it shows it only had one pip exhausted from me eating fruit, but also i understand if it would be invalidated

[tall kindle]

idk what it looks like so i cant say

[balmy falcon]

i can timestamp my video

[tall kindle]

but it would be better to just re-do that cycle lol

[balmy falcon]

yeah i got annoyed because i was losing a lot of karma

i didn't want to grind with the centipede

[dense geode]

is chef fun

cause im interested in trying it

[tall kindle]

yes

[balmy falcon]

https://youtu.be/fMKpv7MFlRA?t=841

[tall kindle]

haters will say its the worst challenge

[balmy falcon]

timestamped to relevant cycle

i am curious about chef, but i can't be assed to try it right now

[tall kindle]

i think chef is awesome /srs

[balmy falcon]

i'm gonna take a break from challenges once i get ascension

i've been putting too much time into these

they're fun though

[jagged igloo]

tomorrow i might take a break from descension and make a save file to use for ascension

[tall kindle]

yea that looks fine lol

[balmy falcon]

yay

i'm still gonna wait on submitting it cause i want ascension to be the one that gets me champions

[tall kindle]

im waitin for my charged to get verified ;c

[balmy falcon]

[tall kindle]

i need that YELLOW for my pfp

[jagged igloo]

the wording for the challenges was never updated

[balmy falcon]

you've like changed colors three times in the last week

[tall kindle]

which ones

[jagged igloo]

is it "do all challenges" for ascended

or is it "do any 20 challenges"

[tall kindle]

no

[dense geode]

doesnt gwyn do that from time to time too tho

[tall kindle]

that was stated in the original announcement

[jagged igloo]

of which i did not read xd

[balmy falcon]

i don't see gwyn around a lot so idk

[tall kindle]

#server-announcements message

[tall kindle]

i started changing my pfp again

[jagged igloo]

i see though it didnt change

[dense geode]

so you can get away with skipping 5 challenges

[tall kindle]

its still 10 and 20

yeah

[balmy falcon]

5 were added recently, so

[dense geode]

time to skip the most tedious 5

[tall kindle]

no

ive never not seen gwyn be pink

except for that one time

[dense geode]

i saw gwyn be brown and grey like twice

in the span of a week

[tall kindle]

WHEN

[balmy falcon]

that was for april fools i think

[dense geode]

it was liek 2 months ago i swear

[tall kindle]

the grey was probably when they removed their custom role

[dense geode]

idk, i jsut found it odd since i associated them with hteir pink role

[tall kindle]

yes

[jagged igloo]

killed myself to the end of banana man lul

[south mural]

Funni fall challenge

[dense geode]

(apparently it has to be a discord link so ignore this)
https://youtu.be/NSDik_vOgQg

[tranquil stream]

Devotee https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOuVcfZM5IQ

[distant kestrel]

He's got 6 arms

That's so many potential spears

[keen dove]

true as hell

[dense geode]

Is that toothless with bunny ears

[keen dove]

yes

[dense geode]

Based

[keen dove]

reminds me ill need to remake my summer icon soon

now that easter is over

[distant kestrel]

no more eggs

it's time for sunhat

[keen dove]

he eated all of them

it is!

man i cant believe how long ive been rocking this icon now

can you believe it timby we met when i had it

[distant kestrel]

you've always been toothless

yes

[keen dove]

crazy

[distant kestrel]

how long before joining did u have it

[keen dove]

oh god

let me see ..

looks like early 2021

but im pretty sure i was using the movie screenshot for longer

so maybe since late 2020

[jagged igloo]

Chad pfp commitment

[distant kestrel]

I can't believe wild really is toothless

[keen dove]

i am

me when im the dragon from hit 2011 film how to drain your dragon by dreamworks studio

[verbal mural]

glad to see that the village of berk has developed the technology to play rw

[abstract pond]

how to tame your lizard

yeag

[jagged igloo]

wtf is going on

i can't karma cache in this shelter because it opens literally instantly

[abstract pond]

hold right/left and down

[jagged igloo]

you can't starve holding left/right

[abstract pond]

u can

try it

[verbal mural]

congrats!!

whar

i would've thought the rest would be hell

[jagged igloo]

no lol

[verbal mural]

the leg felt like i was throwing myself at a brick wall until i got sick of it and cheesed

[abstract pond]

what the deuce

[verbal mural]

maybe i should've tried that lol

[jagged igloo]

i wonder if rain world remix is broken

[verbal mural]

i always tried to sneak past it and hope The Bomb didn't get angy at it

[jagged igloo]

i've turned off faster shelter opening

but it is CLEARLY still happening

the toggle doesn't work

[verbal mural]

jetfish item protection is also broke i think

[jagged igloo]

yeah it is

only issue is this bug ruins the outskirts route i have :)

if the shelter opens instantaneously i cant karma cache without quitting out on the first sleep which is really annoying

[verbal mural]

you can hold side + down so you can starve without falling out of the shelter

[jagged igloo]

no i can't

i posted a video above that shows it not working

[verbal mural]

oh wait try standing up and then side + down

[jagged igloo]

no dice

side+down not a valid input for starving for some reason

OH ITS BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO PRESS UP AGAINST THE SHELTER WALL

thats kind of an important detail to not tell

it also doesn't work as a starve input unless the shelter is already open

which will at least resolve the first cycle issue

[verbal mural]

fuck

[jagged igloo]

i wonder if its even intended

cause its VERY odd that it doesnt work until the shelter is open

regular starving does

[dense geode]

You need to be standing up

[jagged igloo]

no lol

[dense geode]

Wat

[jagged igloo]

all it had to do with was being pressed against the wall

against the wall it worked otherwise it did not

could start it standing, sitting, middle, sides whatever none of that matters

[dense geode]

💀

[jagged igloo]

apparently looking in bug reports someone said that the "fast shelter opening" thing isn't broken but behaving opposite from expected?

gonna check that rq

nope, the setting is ALWAYS active

i take back what i said about ascension this challenge is going to fucking suck

imagine losing 40 seconds in outskirts to lizard ai

might as well reset

this is like the only possible point in the entire route where i truly have no agency because i need the thing they are camping directly on top of

:D

[verbal mural]

what about the batflies in the next room?

[jagged igloo]

i may as well reset if i'm gonna do that

time loss is gonna be the same

[verbal mural]

also this, it's the beginning of the run so you might as well greed

[zealous sleet]

So you just post your proof here?

[jagged igloo]

yep

[dense geode]

I found those are slightly inconsistent

It’s not worth chasing after them and losing time

[verbal mural]

the advantage of greeding there over resetting is if it pays off you don't reset and get a good run start

[dense geode]

Not when I could just do an backflip up throw and nab the fifth blue fruit

[verbal mural]

i mean yeah they're inconsistent but if you only need 1 or 2 it's not that bad

[jagged igloo]

i also get unjustifiably annoyed over some stuff

like

one of these grab inputs is fine, one of them wastes time for no reason

which blue fruit do i grab? obviously the one that fucking wastes time

[verbal mural]

you don't need a perfect start, 39 mins gives you some wiggle room

[dense geode]

That blue fruit on the far left just has a tendency to just not be grabbed and it annoyed the shit out of me

Or it gets grabbed but not pulled off when I jumped down

[dense geode]

It’s better to get a perfect start to allow that wiggle room for later on though

[jagged igloo]

no squidcadas

[verbal mural]

you don't grab a squidcada for ascension

[jagged igloo]

like its not in the route

[dense geode]

You just gotta hope for a long cycle upon that final karma caching

[jagged igloo]

squidcadas make you slow as fuck horizontally

[verbal mural]

just rest at the shelter next to hi, karma cache to 4, go to pebbles, quit once you get the mark, and head to ds/fs

[dense geode]

But you loose your defense

[jagged igloo]

over the run you'd lose more time than you gain

also that

[zealous sleet]

ok for some reason it says it's gotta be a link to a message in the server

[jagged igloo]

there's a lot of time to be gained by esliding on long stretches like the bridges in cc and si

[zealous sleet]

even though it is a link to a message in the server

[jagged igloo]

what are you attaching to the form

[zealous sleet]

no the second one

[verbal mural]

i don't think the links copied on mobile work

[jagged igloo]

post the link as you're putting it in the form

[zealous sleet]

#1089326594541224006 message

[jagged igloo]

hm... looks correct

[dense geode]

The discord desktop application doesn’t either

[zealous sleet]

ok it worked now

[dense geode]

I found that out

[zealous sleet]

despite the fact it was the exact same message

[jagged igloo]

probably had some whitespace in message somewhere

[dense geode]

It only likes the browser links

[dense geode]

No I tried like 3 times

[jagged igloo]

not your error

[verbal mural]

i can do it through the discord app on my computer just fine, did it stop working recently

[dense geode]

Idk

[jagged igloo]

was referring to this

its possible mobile app generates diff kind of link

[dense geode]

Last night it wouldn’t let me submit my run with a message link in the desktop app thingy

But worked instantly when I copied it from the browser version

[jagged igloo]

curious

rucoon has a pebbles% run up

[dense geode]

Go to the spreadsheet and look up ascension. You’ll find ascension runs there

[verbal mural]

just make sure you don't try to copy all the wr strats

[jagged igloo]

iirc, the route is karma cache in outskirts, go up through ic -> cc -> wall -> pebbles -> save and quit to go back to outskirts -> ds -> sub -> fs -> die

[verbal mural]

cause i think there's a shit ton of eihopping lol

[jagged igloo]

hot take eihopping is really easy

[dense geode]

If you can learn back flip rolls, slide pounces, and that pole boosting, you should be fine

I mean we didn’t say you couldn’t

[jagged igloo]

old route and not wr

current record is about 5 mins faster no squid

yep

[distant kestrel]

very old route

[jagged igloo]

it helps to get comfortable with some movement tech

you can save a combined total of at least a few minutes by doing eslides on long stretches of flat ground and making frequent use of fast rolls

fast pole climb will also save a good chunk of time, especially around the wall

[verbal mural]

yeah

[jagged igloo]

yeah

one of the mistakes ive noticed a lot is people think fast pole climb is mashing jump

its more of a rhythm

tap jump to some rhythm, alternate directions every other beat

mhm

a slow fpc is still faster than regular climbing

same principle as music tbh

start slow, ramp it up with comfort

i cut most of my descension clips really short but you can kind of see fpc at the start of this lol

super simple

[dense geode]

Waiting for your submission to be verified be like

[jagged igloo]

the difficulties are... wrong

plainly wrong

[dense geode]

It’s an average system or smth

[jagged igloo]

chieftain is currently ranked as easier than visitor

visitor takes literally 6 minutes on a fresh save

[dense geode]

Idk the name. But it combines the difficulties that submitters give the challenges and uses those to determine its difficulty

[jagged igloo]

chieftain requires at least more than 1 cycle

[dense geode]

Or dumb luck

[jagged igloo]

visitor in 5:28

from fresh

[dense geode]

It should be, but imo that one is more time consuming than challenging

Minus a few that require some semi advanced movement to get

Don’t do scholar, stay away while you still can

[verbal mural]

you could do one of the 5 newer challenges instead lol

[jagged igloo]

does scholar have any limitations on passage use

[dense geode]

No

But I did it before key item passage

So one pearl per passage

[jagged igloo]

key item passage has to be off

[verbal mural]

you can't use key item tracking to carry multiple colored pearls with a single passage

[dense geode]

Oh, so it’s still suffering got it

[jagged igloo]

but yeah using passages is still taking half the movement out of the run lol

could be so much worse

visitor

[dense geode]

I mean you still have to get the passages too. So you don’t get too many unless you go out of the way

[jagged igloo]

most of them aren’t quick haha

[verbal mural]

||devotee ||

a lot of them took me over an hour even though it was only a few attempts or some setup

descension was actually pretty quick i think

symbiote

[jagged igloo]

descension is however quickly you can get around the entire map and find places to suicide

that one benefits a lot from having passages available obviously

[dense geode]

Actually regarding that one is there a certain shelter we have to pick or do we get to choose

[verbal mural]

with descension i also abused starving so i could travel to some region in 2 cycles, and then when i died i would warp back to somewhere else

you can pick but i'd recommend either top of cc or somewhere in industrial

like by the hi/su gate or hi/cc gate

[jagged igloo]

yep

[dense geode]

It doesn’t have to be in a row either right?

Oh I’m stupid

[jagged igloo]

yeah just 12 clips no requirement to be in a row

lol

[dense geode]

It says so in the description

[jagged igloo]

descension is mechanically easy just annoying

all you have to know is how to fast fall

[dense geode]

12? Aren’t there only 6 echoes?

[jagged igloo]

oh you were talking about that one

yeah not 12 echoes lol

[vague nova]

requesting for passages role

[jagged igloo]

pro tip: the difficulty rating is fake and dumb

if you want a real difficulty sort, sort by completion count

[verbal mural]

I'd say hardest is pilg or guardian lol

[jagged igloo]

ascension is one of the only ones you can’t slam your face into until it eventually works

either you’re fast or you aren’t

if the underlying movement isn’t good no rng will suffice to win

[dense geode]

You gotta use the form

Go to server info and scroll up a little

[vague nova]

okay, thanks

[distant kestrel]

pilg is hard for all the wrong reasons

it's all luck of the draw

[dense geode]

Also congrats on challenge 70 lmao. Fuck that challenge

[vague nova]

I trained him for 26 hours

[jagged igloo]

bruhhhh

you only need the vanilla ones obv