First question would be How do we make

[storm laurel]

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[honest mason]

we could always use a giant spoiler banner, though that is pretty inellegant

hm.

is there any way we could have a site wide spoiler toggle?

[rancid fiber]

there was that way to completely vanish all content from DLC with 1 button, like the binding of isaac wiki, but i think we already said thats hard do to

[tame token]

still unsure if ill get downpour right as it comes out but i'd love to discuss a bit :>
i think just a general hideable 'downpour' banner would work for spoilery sections in pages
as for pages covering downpour exclusive content, i figure an icon next to the link would be good?

err i phrased that weird

[honest mason]

the problem is if there was an icon next to links, you'd be able to see names

[storm laurel]

we'll be wanting inline icons for links as well right?

[honest mason]

so if you saw 'yellow leech' for example you would nolonger have the suspense of seeing it ingame be quite as strong

[tame token]

yeah but at the same time like
you are consenting to some spoilers by going to the wiki

[honest mason]

fair point

[storm laurel]

One option might be a toggleable ||spoiler bar|| button for covering links etc :o

[tame token]

we can't ensure people stay 100% blind, and i doubt seeing a location/enemy name would be experience ruining for someone haha

[honest mason]

'void worms'

then again the end cutscene is so deranged i dont think anything short of video footage can spoil it

[storm laurel]

I.e.

Miros birds are also terrified of || spoiler creature ||

[versed cypress]

Some things can be hidden by using vague link text where appropriate, but doing that everywhere is counter productive and possibly silly

I like the spoiler bar

[honest mason]

and plus somebody might not realize its for dlc specific content

[tame token]

yeahh i just think its easier to use bars for sections and mark links with a 'THIS IS A DOWNPOUR SPOILER !!!!!!' icon

[crude plover]

cargo

[honest mason]

oh yeah

having the icon be obvious is probably a good idea

like a raincloud or something idk

[versed cypress]

Spoiler bar that tells you it's DLC content when you hover would be superb

[tame token]

definitely!

[storm laurel]

A big question here is whether existing regions will change in terms of creatures- if so then a toggleable spoiler bar would help a lot because there'll be more "mentioning" going on

[honest mason]

could also help to have alternate pages for regions

though that'd get confusing fast

[tame token]

alternate pages would be way too much lol

[versed cypress]

Yeah, I'm not sure about that

[honest mason]

imagine the raiding

oh god

pirate land (sea) all over again

[tame token]

im thinking of maybe,,, tabber? for the enemies/objects section on region pages
one tab for base game and the other for downpour

[storm laurel]

For the majority of content we shouldn't have an issue using {{Spoiler|downpour}} {{Spoiler|end}} right?

[crude plover]

how would we manage spoilers for map differences? are we still keeping the show/hide spoiler templates?

[honest mason]

probably

[crude plover]

perhaps we could make sections for each region discussing map differences and completely spoil those out?

[honest mason]

another idea could be having a toggle at the top of the page that prevents you from accidentally opening spoilers

[tame token]

think thats the easiest way to go about it!

[honest mason]

since its really easy to click on stuff by accident

[versed cypress]

It probably wouldn't hurt to have two separate maps. Could use tabber for that but generally I think tabber is easy to miss

[honest mason]

another solution could be having rooms only found in downpour be represented with dashed lines instead of solid ones

[versed cypress]

How would you hide that

[honest mason]

fair point thats really stupid

[rancid fiber]

but would a link be so much spoiler?

[storm laurel]

if we need to link to critters outside of downpour spoiler sections/pages a lot then yea

[crude plover]

might depend on how different regions are between characters tbh,, if they are small differences easily itemized they coul go in a section,, but a tabber would be much better if there are many fundamental changes to regions

[rancid fiber]

well, anything toggeable doesnt hurt

[storm laurel]

nice to give people the option of avoiding things :D

yeah actually representing map differences is probably something we'll come to when we have more information?

I suppose you could have links at the top of each map to see different ones based on the character, a sorta portrait tabber thing right

[honest mason]

do we have any ideas as to which regions might be impacted more?

[storm laurel]

none at all :D

[honest mason]

like sky islands is probably a canidate given that flowery screenshot

[tame token]

i wouldnt know cuz ive been avoiding spoilers but i doubt it

yeah

[crude plover]

if there is an easily accessible way to completely hide dp content toggleable from one place (i.e. not cargo) i think that might be the best way to handle it?

[honest mason]

personally i dont have the self restraint to avoid spoilers

[storm laurel]

I'd quite like to try a different colour for the downpour spoiler templates, it'd jazz things up a bit and make static ones slightly nicer to have at the top of downpour pages permanently

blue/gold maybe

[honest mason]

ooh yeah

[crude plover]

:o thar woul be nice

[honest mason]

that sounds pretty

[storm laurel]

I suppose we can't guarantee we can get a spoiler toggle set up; I'm sure it's doable but in adding downpour content to existing pages we'd definitely want to limit it to its own sections

at least that's an existing solution

the other thing I suppose is that a toggle is slightly awkward- does it start on or off?

if on then it's an inconvenience for people unless we give it a very good er, memory..

and if off then it's probably not gonna get too much use, for the work put in

[tame token]

hmm yea not too sure about that :s
off i figure but then that'd be inconvenient for people searching for dp stuff

[honest mason]

oh yeah all these changes are probably not going to be lag friendly

[versed cypress]

why would it not be lag friendly

[honest mason]

it might seriously increase page length

or at least the amount of stuff loaded

though if it isnt loaded until spoilers are turned off that might fix the problem

[crude plover]

would it be too inconvenient if it was at the top of every page (applicable) like in the tboi wiki?

if we managed to give it a decent memory i wouldnt mind using it,,

[versed cypress]

if a page is obscenely long then there are likely grounds to discuss breaking it down into a couple of pages

[honest mason]

wait, question

[tame token]

if it was on every page then i dont think so!

[honest mason]

how much storage space does a single toggle per person usually take up

[versed cypress]

what do you mean

[honest mason]

memory

[versed cypress]

?

[honest mason]

the longer it lasts-

actually, wait

[storm laurel]

oh we wouldn't be writing a list of ips and toggles, that sorta thing is done via browser cache

[versed cypress]

^

[honest mason]

having a long memory at first wouldn't matter

[versed cypress]

things like that are stored client-side, not server-side

[honest mason]

since for the first month or so it will have only existed for, a month or so

ah okok

what's the point with having limited storage time?

[storm laurel]

also can't see existing pages being lengthened tooo much, it'd mainly be region pages and some extra interactions on critter ones, all very reasonably within bounds

[versed cypress]

what storage time??

[honest mason]

like

time for the information to go away

unless my understanding of cookies is totally fucked up

[storm laurel]

It's more that you can't guarantee a browser won't have its cache cleared

[versed cypress]

why would it do that

[honest mason]

oooh

[storm laurel]

it's why we don't like popups right, you end up having to dismiss them way more than once

[honest mason]

wikipedia asking for money rn:

[storm laurel]

exactly :x

[honest mason]

i'd donate but i dont think my parent would let me so its just annoying as fuck

[paper beacon]

honestly same tbh

[storm laurel]

So before we get off-topic, we've discussed spoilers and:

• Downpour spoiler templates- different theming?
• Look into potential JS spoiler button, although this may be a lot of work and have very limited uses
• We'll ideally be keeping downpour content on non-downpour pages in collapsible bars

[paper beacon]

hmm

just jumped into the thread so im gonna have to read through so i know whats happening :s

[honest mason]

welcome

[harsh trout]

Alright I think I have one working if needed

[storm laurel]

oh whoa you're fast

that sounds awesome, we could try it out on a talk page or such? :o

[harsh trout]

I'll test it with my user css and js

[storm laurel]

excited for a new era of redacted information

[harsh trout]

It works!

[storm laurel]

oh that's so fun!

can it be used to cover inline images as well? :o

[harsh trout]

Now yes And links as well which I had forgotten about.

[storm laurel]

oh lovely :D

[honest mason]

sweet!

[harsh trout]

Oh also do you think it would be better if the tooltip text only appeared on unclicked spoilers?

[storm laurel]

I suppose so? :o

[paper beacon]

oh wow!

thats really good :)

[harsh trout]

(Both options are available anyway, there's just a little additional css and js to make them disappear )

[storm laurel]

That sounds great, more choices never hurt ;D

are you currently activating it client-side only? ◕ - ◕

[harsh trout]

For now it's all in my personal css and js pages.

[storm laurel]

Oh yeah, sorry I meant whether it was currently interactable in its current state and location by other users :D just curious to give it a whirl at some point (I.e. click the funny spoiler button)

[harsh trout]

Only me! But now I can put it in the wikiwide pages if you want

[storm laurel]

Ooh sounds good, would be fun to test it out :D

On the subject of spoilers, we were discussing some sort of downpour spoiler template and the idea was potentially to have it be a different colour to the rest?

[crude plover]

oo gool colors

[harsh trout]

(Before I copy it is "spoiler" a good class name or should the placeholder be changed in order to avoid confusion with other spoiler-related stuff )

[crude plover]

maybe blac (or rlly dark gray) and white could also work? maybe w the hue shifted a lil purple too

[storm laurel]

perhaps "dlc"?

ooh that's an idea

[crude plover]

but either way it looks nice,, having a distinct color for this is grear

ourg is the text that says 'spoiler warning' in ibm plex

[storm laurel]

would it be nicer in quicksand? (or a thinner ibm?)

[harsh trout]

(Ok you know what "dp-spoiltag" should be clear enough without being too long)

[storm laurel]

new creature just leaked, the "Spoiltag"

[crude plover]

hrm quicksand might be nicer? is hat the font we use for section headings

[storm laurel]

yos

[crude plover]

thar might look nicer,

[storm laurel]

we might have to make that span its own class to effectively do that? (I am like a little css baby)

[harsh trout]

Alright do they work for everyone? https://rainworld.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Candlesign/Test

(Of course might have to clear the cache)

[storm laurel]

clearing and reclearing for a while >:)

[harsh trout]

Wait I changed the class name in the css and js but not on the test page, of course it can't work

It should work now.

[storm laurel]

kluug :D

oh that's fantastic, it's so nice knowing that we have this tool so early-on

you're a genuis, thanks so much for coming up with this

[harsh trout]

(Haha half of it is just finding a stack overflow post about how you can turn text into a button)

[storm laurel]

knowing what to look for is half the battle :D

[crude plover]

ooo beter lovit

[storm laurel]

[crude plover]

hmm whar did the normal spoiler banner look lik?

if its similarly muted colors im not sure if id like this,,,

[storm laurel]

https://rainworld.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Spoiler

(I think black is a little doomy for us)

[crude plover]

ourg im doing all of this work in between other work that requires my full attention

i got a longer break rn tho

wild ass idea bur

[storm laurel]

I'm heading to bed but you can change the colours by

[crude plover]

you know how in some of the promotional material for rw there is this black screen w these white raindrops?

[storm laurel]

same for show/hide :D

[crude plover]

whar if we did smth like that but rlly toned down? it would make it visually distinct,, but it would either look great or be way too much

idk im goign in design withdrawl alr i need to design something

[harsh trout]

And in a way the DLC spoiler template would visually be to the regular one what Downpour is to Rain World...

[crude plover]

i likey this,, it coul look good

@harsh trout whar do you think,,

[harsh trout]

I agree it sounds like a good thing to try! I wonder how it would look.
(But anyway I am going to sleep too )

[crude plover]

good eepy