#modding-wiki
winged rapids
does the botanist have really tiny arms or are they just folded behind their back to hold the plants
I always thought they were folded but after thinking they might just be really tiny I can't unsee it
shell swallow
Tiny
ruby dragon
smol
cold zinc
is it possible you can move the image up- if others like it that is? I actually had the ceilings lined up/measured to match the top of the screen so on the right the search bar and junk above it are on the ceiling pff
They're tiny I think
winged rapids
move the image up? do you mean down?
there's also the issue that the red line at the top is being stretched larger (as is the rest of the image)
it's a pretty minor detail, but I picked up on it
winged rapids
nice, looks good
I'm going to set Content_Mods to redirect to Category:Content_Mods
cold zinc
there's also the issue that the red line at the top is being stretched larger (a...
Oh no I didn't crop that red line out 
winged rapids
lol
cold zinc
Though I can't tell if the image is zoomed in on or my screens just small in comparison since it's not lined up quite right still..
oh well
loud lichen
I'm going to set Content_Mods to redirect to Category:Content_Mods
can't you [[:Category:Content Mods]] for links
winged rapids
you can
you didn't on the crs page
and to avoid someone going "oh there's no page here let me make one" it's probably best to have that redirect
loud lichen
makes sense
winged rapids
also categories don't show up in search by default
you can toggle it on in the advanced settings, but I found that by chance
loud lichen
huh, EE guide does not include manual enum extension
loud lichen
do we actually have anyone who can write a page on mmpatches
loud lichen
what do you all think of this
rotund matrix
definitely
part of the push to migrate and set up a proper wiki is so that people can easily contribute any knowledge they may know and to make this information as accessible as possible
loud lichen
@digital bough do you have a guide for manual use of EE anywhere? doesn't have to be detailed or user friendly
the one on Github modding wiki doesn't touch ExtendEnumsAgain or whatever
winged rapids
I think it would be nice to approach the people who made the resources/messages since they may know some extra cool things about the subject
as in, to see if they want to write it or give extra comment or something
once we're happy with the foundation we can also ask gwyg if we can have an announcement to pull more people in
digital bough
<@695651562542071871> do you have a guide for manual use of EE anywhere? doesn't...
[pt] call EnumExtender.EnsureInit first to make sure EE is initialised, this is only required if it hasn't already been called
call EnumExtender.AddDeclaration as many times as you like
call EnumExtender.ExtendEnumsAgain when you want the added declarations to actually be applied (should ideally not be called excessively because it is somewhat expensive)
loud lichen
does ExtenAgain layer a detour for every call or something
digital bough
it recreates all of the enums
loud lichen
alright i'll add it
loud lichen
ok uhhhh i dont quite understand what was the purpose of this snippet
oh i understnda
loud lichen
ok it's tehre
loud lichen
oh, so apparently mmpatches are the intial intended way of using MM?
judging from the readme
oh cute
writings on the wall
winged rapids
lol
have we had any further thoughts about backgrounds?
it is something we can sort out when more people are aware of what's happening
oh, someone already did the partiality page
awesome
cold zinc
There's a dark mode?
rotund matrix
tbf if its already dark then theres no need to swap to the dark mode 
cold zinc
^
loud lichen
There's a dark mode?
cold zinc
The main rw wiki does that too, right??
rotund matrix
yep
loud lichen
i think we should use a modded bg rather than vanilla
cold zinc
Burn the eyes of those who think our wiki isn't dark enough! Make them weep!
rotund matrix
this is what "dark mode" looks like on main 
cold zinc
Oh good god
loud lichen
PINK
cold zinc
obviously I'm partial to this 
but as long as it's dark I don't care tbh
winged rapids
tbf if its already dark then theres no need to swap to the dark mode <:hmmmmmmmm...
do you know if there's a way to set what we have to be "dark mode" rather than it calling it dark mode?
rotund matrix
i am.. unsure
i think it would be more elegant to see if there is a way to outright remove it since the inverted version obviously is not tailored in the same way the normal one is and therefore will always look a bit messy methinks
ill ask in the mh discord
rotund matrix
loud lichen
when the case is sensitive 
winged rapids
like is there a typo somewhere that I'm blind to or does mediawiki just not like that CamelCase
the thing is that if you search partiality it will take you to Partiality
I think it has a fit when there are capitals in the middle of words?
might ask mh people about this...
rotund matrix
yeahhhh the search terms are kind of weird
they also dont like spaces
strange that it didnt take you to bepinex despite all of the letters matching (just not the case), usually thats fine
cold zinc
Redirect page time?
winged rapids
maybe,
I will ask mh people first
hoping there's a sane way of doing this considering in code land many things use camel case
rotund matrix
ok so the dark mode option is an extension we can disable
rotund matrix
yeah same
winged rapids
or we can leave it
rotund matrix
im gonna do it on main too tbh
winged rapids
I never use that button, personally
rotund matrix
nobody uses it anyway
winged rapids
rotund matrix
rotund matrix
me neither
winged rapids
btw, there's a
rotund matrix
looks cool but i feel like it would get very spammy without a separate channel to contain them 
loud lichen
has anyone tried seeing how MonoModRules plays with bix
outside of the infamous pubstunt experiment
winged rapids
MonoModRules?
loud lichen
from what i gather it's like stone age preloader patcher
allow IL manipulation
it's what pubstunt was made on
winged rapids
but surely main page is the orphanage
winged rapids
acceptable for now?
ye, looks fine, maybe add to code mods cat?
loud lichen
if we happen to be making an article on it we may as well make a good article
winged rapids
fair
I think the template you added at the top is fine for now
where do you think the best place on the bep plugin page for an enumext mention?
new heading before advanced techniques?
winged rapids
maybe... I do feel like it's common enough that it's worth a mention here as well though
loud lichen
one line at the top like [[here]] is several vital tools specific to rain world
winged rapids
yeah, might be a good idea
maybe just a category page for ee, cm, uhhh fisobs, mpo
maybe regionkit is worth a mention there too
loud lichen
is RW-Specific Tools fine for the cat name
winged rapids
maybe just "Useful Mods"?
loud lichen
(Possible items: external program, Krita workflow for easily drawing editor props, devtools menu extension library, etc).
winged rapids
hm
rotund matrix
i think infoboxes would be good yes
would be good for listing utility, whether they are currently supported and the dev(s) of different mods and tools
loud lichen
also a normalized way to link to source/downloads
loud lichen
maybe just "Useful Mods"?
could be a separate one, Category:Common_Dependencies or smth
although not sure how much distinction there'd be between the two
rotund matrix
what about just "Modding Tools"
loud lichen
should we replace hardhatcat in {{Cleanup}} with kip's pixelated version
winged rapids
I did
rotund matrix
it should be that already
loud lichen
it's still old for me
winged rapids
cleanup?
rotund matrix
huh
winged rapids
oh, the template?
rotund matrix
ye
loud lichen
winged rapids
go for it
loud lichen
rotund matrix
ctrl + f5 to clear cache maybe
winged rapids
have added the property hooking page but named it MonoMod RuntimeDetour since it actually functions as a guide for using its Hook class in general
currently fighting 503s
loud lichen
should we have a separate ILHook guide or just keep a link to riskofthunder's
shell swallow
the one that shouldn't be named
loud lichen
loud lichen
scuffed
winged rapids
lol
winged rapids
no worries lol, just found it funny
cold zinc
does nothing actually link to it tohugh?? lmao
loud lichen
not yet
cold zinc
🤔
loud lichen
i'll add more to content mods category page
cold zinc
wondering how useful an infobox would be on the level editor page
ex; move the image there (that... somehow got nuked from the page? oopsie?)
and have the download + versions + release dates of those versions for the main editor, community, and drizzle
instead of having the downloads just
kind of in the middle?
rotund matrix
does nothing actually link to it tohugh?? lmao
we'll probably eventually implement navboxes that link to all of the pages
loud lichen
i think we should just have a generalized tool infobox
cold zinc
i think we should just have a generalized tool infobox
for what im suggesting?
i could c it useful for stuff like the BOI page for example :v
and when we eventually get to custom regions and their stuff of course :v?
loud lichen
{{Tool|name=Level editor|type=app|releases=[link/to/com com],[link/to/drizzle drizzle]}}
something like that idk
cold zinc
i have no idea how that'd look actually but if its what i think then yeah
cold zinc
oh this is pretty though..
rotund matrix
thats from the russian wiki !
loud lichen
what the fuck is Architecture of Rain World supposed to be
it just seems to be a random assortments of tips
oh architecture as in
stylistic
not actual architecture of the game
fuck
ok then i am not writing that
can we define custom langs for <syntaxhighlight>
cold zinc
ok then i am not writing that
i can handle that later dont worry lol
that is the most like
ancient page ever btw
loud lichen
lmao
cold zinc
i think it was made IN 2017 and then never touched again
cold zinc
my google doc explaining shit is more finished 
of which i might port onto the wiki in the future?
but that'd also require em to finish it LMAO
loud lichen
whoever the fuck intiially wrote this was very insistent on using dev tool as if it were singular
cold zinc
LMAO?
loud lichen
do vultures actually react to having Mean?
cold zinc
i
hm.. i'd assume mean changes the aggresion value some?..
so i guess it depends on if vultures react to having the aggression value :?
loud lichen
i don't remember shit about vulture aggro priority math
cold zinc
admittedly i know nothing about what mean even does properly, so
rotund matrix
i dont think we need it on the main wiki just yet since we have distinct pages for categories ? but if we ever decide to merge them, definitely
loud lichen
i made np++ do something stupid
winged rapids
sorry, I've been busy the last couple of days so haven't done much
yeah, we really need some leditor expertise for some pages
loud lichen
time to rope in Wrayk
winged rapids
hehe
tbf this thread was very easy to miss
so many people who could help probably don't know about it
loud lichen
should we fix it
winged rapids
@ modding artists /s
if we're vaguely happy with the structure then we can ask gwyn about an announcement
my only concern at this point is the copyright/disclaimer stuff
loud lichen
previously modding wiki migration was announced in this category only
winged rapids
I interpreted this as a server wide announcement (since we can already announce in mod gallery ourselves)
either way it should reach the target audience
just checked: I added a copyright page (https://rainworldmodding.miraheze.org/wiki/Rain_World_Modding:Copyrights) which is a modified version of the one on main wiki, but we don't have an about page or general disclaimer e.g.
https://rainworld.miraheze.org/wiki/Rain_World_Wiki:About
https://rainworld.miraheze.org/wiki/Rain_World_Wiki:General_disclaimer
loud lichen
mmm fair enough
since resources are going to be decentralized after DP, makes sense to publicly announce this too
winged rapids
the about isn't a big deal, less sure about the disclaimer
loud lichen
mira having microstrokes
winged rapids
the extension must be still there, because when it's disabled, what is currently the edit source button usually just says edit
prime skiff
can't escape
Who said I'm running away? It's rather I'm running towards 
prime skiff
I've chipped in with suggestions for the background
Also should we go deeper into the RK article or should that be added to the RK readme?
(Or both)
loud lichen
modding wiki shouldn't go into too much detail with every single tool
tool pages should highlight key features and give reliable links to comprehensive primary source
shell swallow
I will grab everyone here, watch this <@&981420141273292820> <@&981420387936116736> <@&870666604940238880>
warm lynx
shell swallow
@winged rapids could you write an introductory message we can pin?
prime skiff
Modding nuke :)
prime skiff
Ez
unkempt gyro
What
prime skiff
Yeah
winged rapids
hello modderers! We are currently in the process of migrating the modding wiki to our new site hosted by Miraheze (where the main RW wiki is already hosted). This was decided by public poll a week or so ago, and a few modders have already started migrating our content across to a point where we are nearly at parity with the GitHub-based wiki, which we will soon be retiring.
Our new URL is https://rainworldmodding.miraheze.org/
If you'd like to contribute, we're currently using Trello to organise the migration effort, so please - for now - check that to see where you can get started: https://trello.com/invite/b/uajv3uYM/0ead19f09d5005f1e7a1e1e84dcf4327/to-miraheze (you can "join" tasks to indicate that you're working on something)
if you want to write about an aspect of RW modding that isn't there, just go for it.
thalber recommends https://pandoc.org/ to help translate markdown to wikitext
if you have posted in #modding-resources , please consider contributing your knowledge
If you have any questions feel free to ping me or just bring it up in this thread
shell swallow
hello modderers! We are currently in the process of migrating the modding wiki t...
modding-wiki-migration
torpid condor
should the modding wiki include a section for the content of available mods? Sorta like how the russian wiki has pages about all the different custom regions and custom slugcats?
loud lichen
Add pandoc link to this message and remove my separate pin?
winged rapids
should the modding wiki include a section for the content of available mods? Sor...
we're currently not doing this. We can consider this in the future but I don't think we should be sidetracked by that for now
torpid condor
yeah, makes sense
loud lichen
we need to finish porting over guides and cleaning out old junk
like "architecture" page
most contents of#modding-resources should also be put there
winged rapids
I've reworked a lot of the code side since we moved away from the fandom wiki, but a lot of modding-artist-centric things are outdated/messy/unfinished/etc
loud lichen
we are also probably going to have a summary page for every relevant tool / dependency mod
there's one for EE, CRS and i'm moving one for CM
winged rapids
one or all?
loud lichen
one for each
winged rapids
cm is chunky
winged rapids
yeah
only 3 pages but one of these is really long
oh, maybe not?
I'm sure one of them was
winged rapids
there's one that topi kept unpublished https://github.com/Rain-World-Modding/Rain-World-Modding.github.io/blob/main/pages/making-code-mods/config-machine/Provided-UIelements.md
yeah, provided elements
loud lichen
oh it's probably not full
the rest could fit on one page
ugh pandoc does not seem to have an option to auto indent all section headers
cold zinc
like "architecture" page
i would like to keep this if we actually re-do the page to be Not Ass Garbage from 2017
ruby dragon
what is missing exactly? because i'm looking the editors and seems it have stuff already
cold zinc
i need to do writeups for the editors that is more than only the keybinds
pffff
ex; what the camera angling means and how it works, etc
loud lichen
"having your tiling not look like trash 101"
cold zinc
if anything that'd be the architecture page
torpid condor
nice links, lol
cold zinc
THAT WASN'T FIXED YET?
loud lichen
you claimed the page
loud lichen
?
loud lichen
could just have a normal external link for now
cold zinc
nice links, lol
@rotund matrix did the extension for that not get added or did i actually just mess up and no one noticed yet lol
yuh probably
i need to figure out how to do the writeup for some of these, actually- how to concisely go over stuff like erasing tiles that rect clear wont get, etc
cold zinc
oh dear
loud lichen
why the screams
prime skiff
I haven't made the ancient language yet
cold zinc
ouh, someone actually made a font...
prime skiff
Oh?
prime skiff
Neat
cold zinc
i think? most of the numbers are the karma symbols themselves but the rest i dont remember
loud lichen
can we modify header styles so that ==== still appear larger than normal text?
loud lichen
having bright lines might be too distracting although i'm not too sure
also we had the idea to use a landscape flatscene from a modded region
winged rapids
can we modify header styles so that `====` still appear larger than normal text?
could you add it to the trello? I'll take a look tomorrow but I don't wanna forget lol
loud lichen
alright
winged rapids
mediawiki just parses it as an h4 or similar so it should be straight forward
rotund matrix
<@199587700334919680> did the extension for that not get added or did i actually...
i don't know, i can't manage extensions
rotund matrix
only cash atm
you need to be bureaucrat or higher to manage extensions and wiki settings
winged rapids
I will beurocrat kip in a min
rotund matrix
loud lichen
any default template for collapsable / spoiler block?
rotund matrix
any default template for collapsable / spoiler block?
take a look at either the scavenger page or Template:Spoiler on main
winged rapids
wrt wiki background, I agree with thalber, I think we should go for a non-vanilla landscape illustration or room. Having text or RW signs in there feels a bit distracting to me
wise saddle
What exactly is this new wiki's scope? Is it just for making mods, or is it also the place to put info about specific, non-technical mods?
winged rapids
currently only for making mods (including technical mod overviews, but I think we should continue to delegate to readme's where possible), but yea 
we can think about it later
rotund matrix
wrt wiki background, I agree with thalber, I think we should go for a non-vanill...
seconded
prime skiff
Which region would it be then?
winged rapids
undecided
cold zinc
wrt wiki background, I agree with thalber, I think we should go for a non-vanill...
reminder i did make one but others are free to make a room for this o: my other suggestion is the root tbh
just because its pretty to me x)
cold zinc
What exactly is this new wiki's scope? Is it just for making mods, or is it also...
the others have answered but in the future i would like to have modded region info, though that's up to everyone else i think!
winged rapids
reminder i did make one but others are free to make a room for this o: my other ...
I really like the room as a room but I wasn't sure about it as a wiki bg? v subjective take though, if people like it we can try it out for a bit
rotund matrix
i'm intending on helping w fleshing out wiki stuff for modded content (as like the old raindb wiki on fandom) but depending on what everyone else thinks i'll be helping with it on this wiki or i'll submit a request for a separate one 
cold zinc
i think a seperate wiki would be a bit excessive but :v
loud lichen
the cursed option for background is a blurred 4k shadowrender of random machines
stiff fern
are you guys trying to compete with the russian wiki?
cold zinc
compete?
loud lichen
no mod compendium like ru wiki for now
see this
winged rapids
isn't the russian wiki in uh... russian
cold zinc
that too :v
stiff fern
get to the same level of polish is what I meant, then yeah apparently
cold zinc
its not competing i think if its for english speaking audiences typically while the ru wiki is for... russian speaking audiences
i mean, i have no idea how polished it is tbh
i haetn seen it
stiff fern
it's something to look up to
torpid condor
are you guys trying to compete with the russian wiki?
right now it's just trying to move the wiki from github to miraheze, and then get it as polished as it can be
torpid condor
get to the same level of polish is what I meant, then yeah apparently
wait, there's a Polish wiki?
stiff fern
they took poland too??
loud lichen
get to the same level of polish is what I meant, then yeah apparently
i'm not sure we need the same level of polish
if you don't limit yourself, wiki labour is an infinitely approaching curve: as you run out of significant things to do, you find more and more tinier and tinier details and imperfections that annoy you. After a little bit you and other editors are the only ones who notice the difference
so i'd personally prefer if we find a scope with which we can be done in a finite amount of time
dropping back in for policing and updates every now and then
stiff fern
alright jokes aside, @ thal @ cashew not sure how much I want to put into formatting .mds into whatever markdown the new wiki uses, but if there's a page you think needs a complete rewrite I'd be willing to give it a try
loud lichen
check the pin, pandoc allows roughly converting md into wikitext
winged rapids
yeah, it uses wikitext but you can use the visual editor which is basically like ms word / google docs instead
loud lichen
we currently have one trash page on our hands - architecture
winged rapids
oh
loud lichen
you could rewrite that if you have enough beers on you
winged rapids
yeah you actually can't use the visual editor currently
winged rapids
yeah you actually can't use the visual editor currently
@rotund matrix are you seeing this too? it looks like it's happening on both the modding wiki and main wiki
winged rapids
edit button now says edit source which is a feature of the extension, but the visual editor's "edit" tab isn't there. Settings say the extension is enabled
stiff fern
we currently have one trash page on our hands - architecture
that's the one for room design, right? I'm not the right guy for the job, but I think I know who the right guy is I'll ask them
torpid condor
there are plenty of details in several pages that are badly worded, misleading, or straightup wrong - all of which could use an update, though with the number of details involved it's hard to scope this out
winged rapids
I'm so glad 503 hell is over
loud lichen
yes
torpid condor
<:monkforbidden:695022457052069938> oh this looks goofy but im not sure what to ...
would it be possible to make an interactable grid in the format of the level editor tool select and when you click on it it'll tell you what each one does? or is that too feature creep-y?
cold zinc
it.. WOULD be but i have NO idea how to do that
loud lichen
for now it's too feature creepy
cold zinc
i think it would be possible, at least
prime skiff
Creepy.....
loud lichen
shit like that requires a css dev jacked on PW sauce and several hours
cold zinc
but also going 'oh boy time to see what the editor does'
massive 32 line table
is REALLY funny to me
torpid condor
hm, maybe dividing up the options into smaller groups, so that not all information is displayed at once
loud lichen
but also going 'oh boy time to see what the editor does'
>massive 32 line table
it's better than 32 subsections
loud lichen
hm, maybe dividing up the options into smaller groups, so that not all informati...
good middleground for now
currently we're not making things pretty, we're making things readable
torpid condor
maybe one group for main geometry, another for shortcuts, another for placed items, another for editor tools, another for misc
torpid condor
when I see a linear vertical table I don't immediately associate that order with the 2D grid the editor uses, so I'm not sure how important staying in order is (probably should have the icons for each option though)
cold zinc
that is true!
of which wow this is a HORRID order for the editor
i joar......
joar why ):?
ouh geez im getting some major deja vu here
actually wait
what would dividing it up do in this case?
vernal kraken
wormgrass is geometry?
cold zinc
i... dont know where else to put it
torpid condor
what would dividing it up do in this case?
make it not an imposing table
cold zinc
pff
but then it'd just be 4, smaller but still long tables
pffff
like i'll.... try? but im not sure what to do to make it not like, still pretty imposing but Smaller ™️
ruby dragon
wormgrass is geometry?
technically yes
torpid condor
i... dont know where else to put it
I'd put it in the shortcut\spawner group(?)
cold zinc
what about the other three..?
like ill try but
spawners/shortcuts is the only that can be rationally split off, i think
at the least ill organize the list better so pff
ruby dragon
well one is change layers which is misc
the other mirror, maybe misc too¡
and the last idk what is
loud lichen
i am moderately confused by topi's formatting
why are 's replaced with ¡¯
oh looks like shit got reencoded in ANSI instead of UTF-8 somewhere along the GH wiki pipeline
korean text in translation section is broken
someone fix it or replace examples with some other lang idk
putting on trello
cold zinc
actively wrestling with image formatting right now
i don't really like how it's aligned there and kind of pokes down into the 'layer info' stuff but it's not the worst...?
loud lichen
i think you can put none in them to make them be inserted into text
cold zinc
actually-
well
in text it was kind of weird
but i just had an Idea
B) now we're talking
im v sleepy and i want to nap before i have to do Dinner and stuff so i will try to work on the rest later ^^;;
stiff fern
Alright, the person I though had an almost-finished guide doesn't really so I'll try and spruce up that page myself later. Any special steps to claim a page?
loud lichen
just attahc yourself to this on trello so that no one else starts working on it while you're at it
loud lichen
STILL cant get over how kip is SpineEater69
rotund matrix
glossy coyote
Ohh
I'll finally be able to write novels about editorExceptionLog and superBlackGoo
torpid condor
speaking of level editor stuffs, I wrote this out detailing the structure of the project files, in case anybody needed to manually modify anything. It's probably not too useful to most people, but maybe it could be tossed into a subpage or something (after a rewrite to be understandable)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zcxeQGibkZORstwGQUovhQk71k00B69oYwkqFpGyOqs/edit?usp=sharing
glossy coyote
winged rapids
oh looks like shit got reencoded in ANSI instead of UTF-8 somewhere along the GH...
oops
loud lichen
does anyone know how to make tabber not fuck with headers inside?
OH SHIT
YOU NEED TO END TAB TITLE WITH A SINGLE =
IM FUCKING STUPID
rotund matrix
it happens
loud lichen
copied with minor edits and protected
loud lichen
Why do we have whatever extension makes this
prime skiff
Meta todo: fuck off
loud lichen
Why do we have whatever extension makes this
(i suggest we do not have it)
maiden osprey
miraheze
winged rapids
(i suggest we do not have it)
I can remove it shortly
winged rapids
https://rainworldmodding.miraheze.org/wiki/Installing_Mods
Wouldn't it make more sense to direct people to the page about the mod type they're trying to install? That way we have less stuff to change when it inevitably needs changing
Example, we already have installation instructions for mods that are loaded by bepinex on the bepinex page
loud lichen
Wouldn't it make more sense to direct people to the page about the mod type they...
tbh i just filled the subgoals from trello card without thinking much
loud lichen
involvement obstructed, may dip into the void for several days
loud lichen
or... longer if we're unlucky
winged rapids
Understandable, take care
winged rapids
I'm going to have less free time over the next week or two, just thought I'd give advanced notice
Not no time, but my activity may be (more) intermittent
winged rapids
speaking of level editor stuffs, I wrote this out detailing the structure of the...
This looks p niche, but still like good info for a page on the wiki 
maiden osprey
more like mirawheeze
winged rapids
winged rapids
anyone made any wiki progress?
winged rapids
hi @cold zinc, any news on the leditor pages? no rush, just figuring out what's where
cold zinc
been sorta busy-ish- the geo part is done but i havent touched the rest x-x
if i remember i will try to do more later 
winged rapids
I see I see
winged rapids
Other than the level editor pages, I think the wiki seems to be in a pretty usable state
loud lichen
visual editor has not come back yet
lol
should i lock Partiality page to prevent anyone from putting a guide on partmods there
winged rapids
Lmaooo
winged rapids
announcement in resources or serverwide?
or -> and? 
winged rapids
visual editor has not come back yet
Yeah... It's available for category pages, which is the weird thing
And nobody else on mh discord seems bothered
loud lichen
~~or~~ -> and? <:scavplead:814503270168264714>
good idea
winged rapids
It seems like the visual editor is partially working, but the core functionality is missing for most pages
loud lichen
probably a migration leftover thing
winged rapids
I'll check if there's a 4xx or 5xx response from problem pages later
loud lichen
he has arrived
loud lichen
okay seriously this is not fucking funny
glossy coyote
__me when the targets gets garbage collected too early
loud lichen
?
glossy coyote
Wouldn't it be better to suggest to reset the static field in OnDisable instead of WeakRef?
glossy coyote
Alright
glossy coyote
(should we tell people they can't use HarmonyX on the current BeepinEx?)
loud lichen
Following in its big sister's steps and anticipating general decentralization that will follow Downpour's release, **Rain World Modding wiki** has migrated to Miraheze!
https://rainworldmodding.miraheze.org/
This makes it easier to find for new people and more convenient to contribute to for experienced modders.
Along with technical migration, we are also reworking some of the older contents and adding new useful pages, for both developers and end users.
If you are interested in contributing, head on to [#1005072570053316708](/guild/291184728944410624/channel/1005072570053316708/) for task lists and useful related info. Don't forget to look at pins there.
Sounds good to me
Oh
Maybe mention that there's an informational message in the pins
I can update that one as we go
stiff fern
Mhhh out of the 12k members, how many is this announcement relevant to though? 300 maybe?
cold zinc
oh! i will see if that's okay real quick
i dont need to ping people for it, i think henp
but its good to get the news out, yeah?
loud lichen
come on, i got a spot for the russian wiki two years ago, it's probably even less relevant statistically
stiff fern
probably yeah, maybe will get more people interested in helping too
cold zinc
asked if its okay to blop it into the announcements :>
loud lichen
hen you should update your post in #modding-resources with new link if you havent already
stiff fern
Alright I'll do in a bit!
loud lichen
by the way someone review https://rainworldmodding.miraheze.org/wiki/Code_Environments and see if i missed anything important in sections without {{todo}}
glossy coyote
cold zinc
there we go :>
loud lichen
omw
glossy coyote
abandoned? archived? not up-to-date?
stiff fern
abandoned? archived? not up-to-date?
[data expurged]
loud lichen
abandoned? archived? not up-to-date?
It is, however, using an outdated version of decompiler backend, which causes it to choke and output invalid code in some cases (most notably, switch statements over strings).
glossy coyote
ty
There should be a link to the dnSpy revival repo somewhere.
Well this one is fine for now
Does this pic work for you?
loud lichen
i just added it
i sort of prefer defining what files an article needs then uploading these files instead of preemptively adding every file it'll possibly need
glossy coyote
It looks good to me.
loud lichen
region from the ground up has not been ported yet right
i love leaving things five minutes from finished
winged rapids
mood
loud lichen
i'll replace corrupted korean on CM translation section with russian
sorry topi
can you leave a signature inside a comment and have it unfurl properly?
you can not
loud lichen
obviously
fierce tendon
oh "migration" seems to be over, now is only improving time isnt it?
loud lichen
yes, lots of editor related stuff is old junk
fierce tendon
loud lichen
although there's several pages left to bring over
fierce tendon
yeah also format overall is kinda ugly
loud lichen
format as in
loud lichen
it's not a priority
fierce tendon
yeah but each time i see one of these formats in a wiki i wanna rip my eyes off
is just ugly af
loud lichen
sounds like a you issue
it works
if you can improve it, go ahead
if you can't, focus on something else
fierce tendon
wait didnt you guys use one of those fullmigration tools?
those can migrate everything except images
loud lichen
we did not because previous version of wiki was not in mediawiki format
fierce tendon
loud lichen
custom generation hosted on github pages
fierce tendon
so the pages were migrated manually? 
i mean, is mostly a copy paste, but creating the pages themselves...
loud lichen
did you join the thread to ask obvious questions you can easily infer an answer to by spending 3 minutes looking at the context
fierce tendon
i want to help, just wanted to know how it has been done so far
loud lichen
pandoc to convert markdown to wikitext, then manual fixing of some formatting
loud lichen
it doesn't matter, relevant page versions are in github wiki
fierce tendon
and where is that one?
fierce tendon
thanx
wait there is not gonna be a leveleditor general page? or im missing something
i only see individual pages for each editor planned
winged rapids
yeah but each time i see one of these formats in a wiki i wanna rip my eyes off
category pages just look like this. Unless there's something significantly objectively bad about it, it's unlikely to change
it's just an automated list of all of the pages in that category, and the relevant information is at the start of the page
winged rapids
wait there is not gonna be a leveleditor general page? or im missing something
the plan currently is to have a page for each tab (or whatever they're referred to as) from the editor. They're in-progress at the moment see below
there are tabber tabs for each editor section, and it looks like dak plans to have full pages for some, but they don't exist yet
fierce tendon
yeah each editor having individual pages is neat, i was just asking if there is 1 generic leveleditor page which has links to each individual editor page
winged rapids
then the answer is yes
fierce tendon
winged rapids
not really, but there's an extension enabled that lets you upload multiple images at once
stiff fern
might have a look at it later, alright
loud lichen
Any easy way of migrating the images?
i think we uploaded all images we had
rotund matrix
yeah me and thalber brought over all of the pics
you should be able to browse them here https://rainworldmodding.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles
and most of them if not all use the exact same names as they did on the github wiki
loud lichen
good morning kip
rotund matrix
hi thalb
meager geode
So will the wiki just contain modding docs/tutorials or will information about different mods, custom regions, etc. be included as well?
rotund matrix
just modding dev stuff atm
thorn mauve
If you want a modded regions wiki the Russian one is right there
loud lichen
only dependency and tool mods get separate pages
rotund matrix
i do want to make an eng modded content wiki at some point, we are just currently undecided on whether its content should go here or on a separate one
but its not the kind of discussion to have rn whilst the modding dev side of things is still being very actively worked on
loud lichen
Who wrote the original Region from ground Up?
loud lichen
Should we have a separate template and category for pages with styling/tone issues, or have them under Cleanup?
loud lichen
Who wrote the original Region from ground Up?
seriously section name puns and tone are fucking worse than my project and class names
loud lichen
Anyone mind if i use 
for {{todo}} to differentiate it visually?
actually, are we clear to just pick emotes from here
@cold zinc
loud lichen
cold zinc
We can have some goofs here and there
loud lichen
reduced image size in {{Cleanup}} to make it more compact
it occupied way more screen space than necessary
winged rapids
yeah, that's a good idea
winged rapids
Can we rename 
to 502
loud lichen
the sequel to 39116errors
winged rapids
prequel to 35softprops
loud lichen
Should tool articles have separate Installation/Usage sections
winged rapids
uhh
generally I'd say yes?
but I guess if you feel there's not much content and it doesn't make sense to, then it doesn't matter too much
loud lichen
imo it's important to be consistent with this so that there's less trouble with section links in the future
i say we have ==Installation== and ==Usage== always separate, even if one of them is 2 lines long
loud lichen
we should make an editing guidelines page probably
loud lichen
doing that now
@winged rapids thoughts on making trello board public so that we can put view link on wiki itself?
member invite stays here
winged rapids
ah, didn't realise we could do that
I've set to public and made you an admin on the board
I may be slow to respond for a week as I'm away (though I will have a laptop)
loud lichen
casheww did not remove the extension in time to stop me
loud lichen
winged rapids
Oop
silver fossil
can someone migrate this to the miraheze as well https://andrew.fm/downpour_dev/index.html
winged rapids
I'll do it sometime over the next few days if nobody else does it first
loud lichen
can someone migrate this to the miraheze as well <https://andrew.fm/downpour_dev...
will look tomorrow if lucky
loud lichen
can someone migrate this to the miraheze as well <https://andrew.fm/downpour_dev...
do you have source .mds for this
also, i have been meaning to ask
to avoid ambiguity with 3 other wikis, could you rename the page from "Rain World Modding wiki" to "Rain World mod support specs" or something
right now it looks very similar to github wiki and the title image claims it to be the same thing
while it in fact is not
this is confusing for the user
this of course will not be a problem if after we port the technical reference you delete your page or turn it into a redirect
silver fossil
just the html files if that's helpful
loud lichen
@silver fossil ported and protected from randos, style touchups tbd
cascading protection covers things like Page/Subpage right?..
winged rapids
I think so?
loud lichen
port and reformatting completed
loud lichen
@cold zinc is there an estimate on how soon you'll get to LE page
and do you have any uncommitted changes in that direction
if not, i will marginally improve the looks of what's there
going to wrap tabbers in <div class="wikitable"> to make them blend in less for now, it looks like shit but blends in less
loud lichen
just found out that trying to make things tidy inside <includeonly> by splitting things between lines sometimes carries over and inserts extra breaks in parsed page
i cant even safely put a newline between </includeonly> and <noinclude>
toolinfo needs to be put before todo/cleanup because otherwise it does page rips
cold zinc
and do you have any uncommitted changes in that direction
go nuts
That is
Not the message I replied to
torn zealot
dakras current uncomitted changes: going nuts
cold zinc
as far as I'm aware it's just the level editor page I claimed- though I guess that's multiple in one?
x)
loud lichen
it's a large one
other than porting, there are new pages to write, prettifying, restructurings whenever we actually get feedback
preparing for downpour
currently we have most of the information from the old wiki and more, but since i'm the one who put it there, i can't say how [counter]intuitive everything is
we need feedback from users who are actually learning
1
cold zinc
yuh.. at least its a good basis to start from now though
winged rapids
This evening I have some important things to do, but if I get round to it I will sort out signposting on the gh wiki
rotund matrix
@winged rapids should prolly give him bureaucrat
winged rapids
yeah of course
presumably you are the real AndrewFM
just to make sure this isn't am impostor andrew @silver fossil 
I may be asleep when you respond - if so I'll get round to it in the morning
silver fossil
yes that is me
loud lichen
i like when the list of things to do grows uncontrollably on its own
oh wow tabber breaks things
every external link has tab name as tooltip
i hate this
actually no literally every link inside
loud lichen
someone needs to disrupt my bodge spiral on this project, or else i'll eventually make god weep
winged rapids
Lmao
loud lichen
i don't care much tbh
wouldn't mind just having a flat colour
it's a technical reference site, it doesn't have to look pretty
winged rapids
true
loud lichen
dim theme is alright, although some interface element colours need fixing
mostly noticeable in editor menus and recent actions interface buttons
winged rapids
ah yeah, good point
difficulty is that those have a lot of moving parts, but it's definitely not impossible
loud lichen
also we need a css class for tabbers
i used wikitable to at least make it blend in less but it's messy
winged rapids
Yeah
If you slap these on the Trello (sorry if you've already done it, I haven't been watching it) I will get round to it in about 4-5 days
loud lichen
I'll add missing ones later
winged rapids
loud lichen
may take a 1-2 day long break to prevent myself from exploding
winged rapids
real
woven sorrel
I've added <@&1011386550589853936> and <@&1011386223585153216> roles :>
have given to all active users
winged rapids
thanks :)
stiff fern
arctic jolt
epic modding gods
warm lynx
The modding society
loud lichen
may take a 1-2 day long break to prevent myself from exploding
additional delays
winged rapids
rain-world-modding.github.io has been archived
the site now refers people to the new wiki
chrome kite
oh cool
ruby dragon
what if we could showcase in a gif/image each devtool effect and object
shell swallow
Yes
ruby dragon
wait really?
loud lichen
go ahead, record them all
ruby dragon
I'm willing to do it so
just suggest where or if i should make a special room for this and i will
also idk how to make gifs
cold zinc
screentogif is what most of us here use
i support this
once i (finally) finish the level editor page
i want to move my imgur album of the rw tiles to the wiki + in-game screenshots of them all
ruby dragon
then I will do it when I have time
i will even make some rooms to showcase it maybe
idk
cold zinc
generic test rooms..
ruby dragon
i guess but i wanted to make more interesting
maybe in some case i will show examples from vanilla
covert venture
i feel like webms might be better
unless you're worried about people on internet explorer
ruby dragon
whar
covert venture
webm serves a similar purpose but it has a smaller file size while being higher quality
loud lichen
webm serves a similar purpose but it has a smaller file size while being higher ...
screen2gif can export in several formats
webm may be one of them but i don't remember exactly
can you use animated pngs in mediawiki?
covert venture
probably
oh it needs an extension it seems
oh this is for unsupported browsers
nvm then
alright looks like it just supports apng out of the box
i actually don't know if apng or webm would be better
ruby dragon
so no gifs?
covert venture
gif stinky
ruby dragon
I'm confused
covert venture
also not everyone knows what an apng or webm is
ruby dragon
i don't neither
covert venture
tbh i don't know the technical specifics
i just know that it's a smaller file size (which loads faster) while also being higher quality
ruby dragon
apng or webm
covert venture
yes
covert venture
same way you would a gif
loud lichen
apngs have the full 8 bit colour and opacity depth as normal pngs, as well as compression
gifs don't have compression at all far as I'm aware
so gifs look worse, are more limited, weigh more
loud lichen
on the left navigation bar, "upload file"
ruby dragon
well neither have i <:hunterkek:832653219880501319>
lanon 💀
ruby dragon
on the left navigation bar, "upload file"
aight
loud lichen
if you're going to upload a lot of files on the same topic, make sure they're named consistently
ie if you're taking animations of placed objects, you could prefix all names with POEx- or something
just so that they're easier to categorise in the future
ruby dragon
needs to be "POEx"?
loud lichen
no, just make sure it's something consistent
ruby dragon
like not random names
loud lichen
yes, i suggest picking a prefix for the topic because that way files can be easily searched later
loud lichen
additional delays
also, elaboration on that
I'm currently in a hostel where i have no table and wifi router has allegedly been destroyed
ruby dragon
wha
loud lichen
actually no the router is there
but there's no internet access from it because idfk wind destroyed the ethernet cables or some shit
this place is a bit cursed
warm lynx
Sharks attacking the internet cables again
torn zealot
clomk gnom chomp
rotund matrix
so i should screen to gif and then export it to apng?
screen2gif can only export projects as gifs
ruby dragon
what else i could use then
rotund matrix
nothing :/ that's kind of the point, there is no easy tool for making apngs right now
ruby dragon
bruh
stiff fern
if you toss me gifs I think I can probably figure out a way to mass-convert them
rotund matrix
yeah but they've already been compressed by that point
i've converted gifs to apng before but the point here would be kinda to preserve their original quality
stiff fern
gif isn't a lossy format, whatever compression took place was to get an acceptable file size, and having an equivalent uncompressed apng would probably be extremely big too
rotund matrix
i think that's just because no one wanted to rerecord stuff
believe me i would LOVE to use .apngs for the main wiki -- we've re-recorded plenty of things already for a ton of pages. there's just simply no easy way to make apngs without having to manually save and export hundreds of individual frames and gifs are more widely supported so we stick to them for convenience and to make sure everyone can see them
rotund matrix
gif isn't a lossy format, whatever compression took place was to get an acceptab...
the colour limit on gifs is also extremely easy to hit when it comes to footage of rain world so there's also that might not be as big of an issue here but still
stiff fern
ah shoot, yeah, there are ways to have more than 256 colors in a gif but they're complicated and not widely supported
I guess once you throw in a glow or lantern into the mix, then yeah RW isn't palette-friendly anymore
ruby dragon
so.... what i do
rotund matrix
record gifs 
depending on what exactly you're recording i don't think you'd run into as many compression or colour issues with the leditor UI for instance
ruby dragon
i'm just planning to record every effect and object in dev tools
stiff fern
screen2gif seems pretty straightforward to use, but the one I use, ShareX, lets me straight up configure the FFMPEG instruction it runs on the video input to produce an apng instead, but the result is a massive file
for instance
rotund matrix
i see! :O
filesize isn't necessarily a concern, we are limited by megapixel count (height x width of frame x frame count) instead
covert venture
believe me i would LOVE to use .apngs for the main wiki -- we've re-recorded ple...
i see
you could probably use OBS to record WEBMs
ruby dragon
tbh i barely used OBS
rotund matrix
you could probably use OBS to record WEBMs
configuring frame size in obs can be a bit fiddly, i worry about potential compression and also webm is a video format, right? those cant be put into thumbnails or galleries, which we use for basically all of our gifs atm
covert venture
I'm pretty sure you can
rotund matrix
we had someone try to insert a video into our galleries previously and it just displays the name of the file instead of the file itself
tropic pecan
hope this helps/isnt like a rerecording nightmare pain
rotund matrix
yeah im fairly certain this is a later version thing coz i dont remember most of these options good to know they exist now though!
rotund matrix
i still have concerns about how universally supported apng would be (or rather the lack of such)
ruby dragon
so this open doors
ruby dragon
am i missing something?
ruby dragon
in showcase the gif doesn't works?
winged rapids
What is the filename
ruby dragon
What is the filename
Effect_1.apng
winged rapids
It might be a blocked file extension
Not sure. I'm away atm. Kip and thalber should be able to view/change it
ruby dragon
alright
loud lichen
try changing it to .png?
covert venture
yeah apng is just saved as a normal .png
ruby dragon
but like this the gif or little animation will stop working?
covert venture
it shouldn't
ruby dragon
i will try then
also in effects is missing skylight&bloom one
i would add it but I'm bad at describing stuff
ruby dragon
how can you delete stuff in the files
rotund matrix
only admins can delete pages
if you made an error with a file you can just upload over it
ruby dragon
no, files
rotund matrix
which ones?
ruby dragon
rotund matrix
all 4?
ruby dragon
yeah
ruby dragon
why sometimes the apng works and other times not? smh
torpid condor
there's a page on making custom palettes\tiles that was on the old fandom modding wiki, but I don't think it made it to the github wiki and it's not on the new miraheze wiki
also the main rw wiki still directs to the github wiki
ruby dragon
so somebody can explain my issue? i want to help atleast showcasing the effects that i feel is like the most important thing you have to visually understand
loud lichen
I'm failing to parse this sentence
ruby dragon
i have problems with uploading apng/gif to the wiki
basically sometimes it works the video, other times it doesn't
idk why
rotund matrix
it might be too big to animate the thumbnail
miraheze enforces a megapixel cap on all (animated) image media wherein if a file exceeds it they will not display properly and you must visit the file page itself to view it
yeah, if you look at the file page for in this case Effect 4.gif it displays this warning message
that gif is 55 million megapixels
the limit is 12.5 million by default
i can bump it up to 20 million like it is on the main wiki but i hesitate to increase it further than that as it can cause issues
@ruby dragon in order to calculate megapixel count you need to use the formula height x width x frame count
ruby dragon
so the image can't be that big in short words
rotund matrix
yes, it cant exceed a certain megapixel count
ruby dragon
got it, so smaller images will be
ruby dragon
but now i require you to delete the ones i uploaded
rotund matrix
dont forget to check the file page for any warnings or error messages if this occurs again
you can upload over them ?
ruby dragon
idk how it works that
loud lichen
oh, you ended up doing gifs not apngs?
rotund matrix
nah i think they are still doing apngs
just tried w gif to see if it fixed the issue (it didnt bc it ran into the same issue)
ruby dragon
i was just testing
because effect_1 sometimes works but 2 and 3 didn't
and uses the same format
ruby dragon
but knowing how it works now i will just make them smaller and carry on
rotund matrix
ruby dragon
also i will just do for the effects tab for now, if you guys think objects needs too i will do it later
maybe even make a library for decals
rotund matrix
we were actually thinking about doing a decal page on main too
laura technically already beat us both to it though, and it's fully labelled
possibly worth just linking to that to save time and also make it so that the page isnt as resource-heavy
ruby dragon
ic, well this is really helpful for modders
rotund matrix
we also have all of the music tracks hosted on main (courtesy of @hard heron (and james obv))
ruby dragon
i was thinking if make library for the sfx but i think is not necessary
ruby dragon
is there any wiki admin
i need a file to be deleted
also when i updated the other files it bugs out ans show the previous ones but now have the video thing
is pretty weird
tbh i would prefer i an admin deletes all the files i uploaded and i just upload them again
from effect 1 to 4 to be exact
loud lichen
also when i updated the other files it bugs out ans show the previous ones but n...
you may need to hard reload, clearing site cache (ctrl+f5 in chrome)
ruby dragon
i opened from a fresh page and looks the same, check for yourself tho
maybe looks different for you
loud lichen
can't right now
rotund matrix
you need to clear the cache for the files to have their contents updated because the old version is still in your cache. opening a new page or window will not work because the file is still in your cache
therefore it is the version that's displayed, because your computer is like "ah we've seen this file before, retrieve it from the cache" to save on resources. it should be noted that anyone who looks at the file who doesn't have the old one in their cache will be able to see the new one - it's purely a visual bug on your end.
if you hard refresh through ctrl + f5 it will update