modding wiki on miraheze has been approved 
currently sorting out visuals and meta things. I think @loud lichen has started on uploading files
#modding-wiki
winged rapids
loud lichen
yes going through OI screenshots
loud lichen
you mean landscape flatscene?
winged rapids
we can try it and see
loud lichen
still getting occasional 503s every like 4 files
winged rapids
pain
@woven sorrel hi, does the main wiki have any licensing things for game assets (e.g. scenes, illustrations) that aren't from in-game screenshots? I don't remember ever bothering but I just thought I'd check
woven sorrel
still getting occasional 503s every like 4 files
loud lichen
<@323527633109254151> hi, does the main wiki have any licensing things for game ...
no licensing controversy option: 1920p render of random machines
winged rapids
lmao
loud lichen
preferrably in light renderer so that it looks like red maze from yume nikki
winged rapids
that could actually be viable ((((if anyone would pay the leditor in blood to render it))))
woven sorrel
So... the music is included specifically with james' permission
winged rapids
I see
woven sorrel
winged rapids
we did just slap the intro image we use for the background in without worry about it though, didn't we
woven sorrel
in terms of actual game images I think you're alright
winged rapids
m okay
woven sorrel
Please do feel free to copy verbatim from the main wiki for these sorts of things
winged rapids
Do not make content available on Rain World Wiki where you do not have the necessary rights to grant this license.
woven sorrel
yeye
In terms of... downloads and such, (level editor etc?) obviously you're just linking to external downloads right
so yeah as long as the content is in-game and not being sold separately (music files) then you're fine
winged rapids
yeah, I'm more thinking about the illustrations straight from the game files
winged rapids
fair enough
woven sorrel
You could always ask videocult directly but plenty of those files are downloadable from the main wiki
(obviously if there was some sort of "asset artbook" being sold, especially as a downloadable zip or such, then that might be another story)
woven sorrel
as long as you have the disclaimers in place I don't think James Videocult is gonna have any objections
oh my
loud lichen
huh
ruby dragon
dum idea, what if you put an art of a custom region?
loud lichen
hardhatcat (EVIL)
winged rapids
lmao
ruby dragon
asking the one that made it ofc
ruby dragon
hardhatcat (EVIL)
evil modders
winged rapids
dum idea, what if you put an art of a custom region?
that's actually a good idea I think
any suggestions about which?
loud lichen
aether ridge.
ruby dragon
well AR, TR, HG
loud lichen
the face of the deep modding
ruby dragon
those are great ones imo
winged rapids
hanging gardens looks gorgeous, I really need to play it
winged rapids
huh
idk why this keeps happening...
???
I straight up did not change it but okay...
ruby dragon
this wiki will only for modding guidance or also for mods info?
loud lichen
the curse of trying to edit when there's a server migration
woven sorrel
(remember to ctrl + f5 to reload your browser once settings changes have gone through)
may be an issue with your cache if the setting is already enabled
winged rapids
maybe yeah
file uploads should be back
I'll add css polishing for the upload page to the list, it looks kinda jank
winged rapids
this wiki will only for modding guidance or also for mods info?
currently undecided, but for now it's best to focus just on mod development imo
ruby dragon
aight
loud lichen
this is a bit (a year probably) out of date, could someone with normal dpi screen take a sharp screenshot of BOI?
ruby dragon
this is a bit (a year probably) out of date, could someone with normal dpi scree...
144p hypercam
loud lichen
i just took bee's method of spawning xcopy cmd after closing
lol
is there any bulk upload tool
winged rapids
I don't think so
there might be an extension though
I'll take a look in a minute
loud lichen
winged rapids
nice
loud lichen
miraheze the second i want to upload a 2kb image
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/508334973632118805/749821077366243389/I_fell_down_in_DS_C02_and_this_came_to_mind.mp4
woven sorrel
could I snaffle a link to the wiki btw?
winged rapids
winged rapids
https://rainworldmodding.miraheze.org
woven sorrel
can pop it in the modding dev description/server info links when you're happy with the base layout :>
winged rapids
thanks. Will give you a shout when it's in a more normal state lol
woven sorrel
(oh an announcement as well ofc)
yeye
seems like this was an unfortunate time to move given the backend migration 
winged rapids
yeah
woven sorrel
will be up before long I'm sure :D
winged rapids
I'm trying to get the right pixel size for the title right now which involves some reloading
rotund matrix
hardhatcat (EVIL)
oh on the topic of this, @winged rapids, i remade this emote so its a bit nicer looking in case youd like to use it as the logo?
can quickly flip it if youd like
ruby dragon
lmao it does have random page
rotund matrix
and i think i mentioned before but id be happy to help admin this wiki 
winged rapids
yea :) I'll sort out permissions and things in a sec
rotund matrix
no rush
winged rapids
sorry, I have been carried away with style lol
rotund matrix
gotta make it all look fabulous 
i may not be as active in terms of contributions since im obviously not a mod dev and i have the main wiki to look after too but im definitely happy to help carry the load of the smaller day-to-day admin stuff
also happy to help port over pages from the old one
ill also port some basic templates like navboxes and infoboxes from main
winged rapids
oh, that would be awesome
rotund matrix
would be really nice to have all of the templates across both wikis match up and stuff especially for modded content should we choose to include it here
winged rapids
yeah
loud lichen
casheww can u add a mass upload extension
winged rapids
yea sure, do you have the link?
winged rapids
I think we'd have to request that one from miraheze themselves, but https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:UploadWizard is available
loud lichen
any works
rotund matrix
yeah, the extensions that are available on miraheze are a curated list vetted by the miraheze admins
i dont think you can view them but we are going to mirror most/all of the extensions that are present on the main wiki at least
loud lichen
HEAVEN
winged rapids
lmao
rotund matrix
oh so thats how you use that extension 
we've had it enabled on main this entire time and i never realised 
winged rapids
fdsjkjkfds
tbf, it doesn't mention it on the extension info page
I found out by going to the wikimedia commons page
loud lichen
lol
loud lichen
loud lichen
hopefully
winged rapids
I thought it just didn't
found it
should be able to now
thalb, do you have a copy of the aether ridge flatscene I can peek at?
just want to take a look and compare some options
rotund matrix
rotund matrix
yeah definitely
lots of stark whites
badlands could be a good candidate in terms of colour perhaps...? 
nice orange colour to compliment main wiki's pink/purple too
and its a fairly iconic region as well
winged rapids
true
rotund matrix
we should probably ask for the mod creators for permission if we do use a region splash screen as the bg though, just to be courteous imo 
rotund matrix
its incredibly pretty but i also feel like it may be a little too bright as well? 
thats a lot of white in the middle area and its surrounded by a lot of pale desaturated green
winged rapids
yeah
winged rapids
badlands could be a good candidate in terms of colour perhaps...? <:hmmmmmmmmmmm...
@loud lichen @ruby dragon thoughts?
rotund matrix
so true
rotund matrix
@winged rapids would you be interested in a logo in a similar vein to the one laura made for the main wiki?
loud lichen
i think we should port articles before going deep into the fluff
rotund matrix
oh definitely
winged rapids
I feel like having the modding wiki logo visually distinct from the main logo is desirable
rotund matrix
gotcha
winged rapids
Though admittedly I did think about it as well lol
winged rapids
i think we should port articles before going deep into the fluff
True
I will sort out admin rights for a couple of people in a second
rotund matrix
im on standby to port articles whenever 
winged rapids
Might set up a Trello so people can claim pages to port without clashing
winged rapids
github wiki?
loud lichen
yes
winged rapids
uh
yeah I believe it's all gpl 3
tbh though...
most of them will have been licensed under cc from the fandom wiki anyway
loud lichen
ugh i think i'll just throw the whole batch under "gplv3" and link to repo contributors in author field
winged rapids
fair enough
loud lichen
not like someone's going to check it anyways
loud lichen
lol
winged rapids
shall we ping fishnoid to ask about the scene then?
ruby dragon
it would be appropriate
loud lichen
aughhhhh it demands description for every fucking file
winged rapids
lol
winged rapids
badlands could be a good candidate in terms of colour perhaps...? <:hmmmmmmmmmmm...
hi @mighty jolt , modding wiki with miraheze has been approved and we were wondering if you'd like the badlands scene to be the background image for the wiki? no pressure though, we can find something else if not 
mighty jolt
You can use it if you think it’s the best option, though I’m not particularly proud of that region art since it’s a mashup of vanilla region art layers rather than something made from scratch.
winged rapids
ahh fair
loud lichen
the secretive asset rip
mighty jolt
I think the root region art has similar warm colors
winged rapids
yeah, true
mighty jolt
Arid barrens has some pretty good art, although the region is generally at the bottom of most people’s region rankings.
winged rapids
yeah
I've gotta skidaddle and do some housework, but if anyone comes up with anything just gimme a shout (or thalber and kip also have admin perms)
rotund matrix
loud lichen
lovely
i bet it doesn't offer to retry
ugh
ok literally every single one errors
phew
AUGHHH
IT SILENTLY FAILS
i went back and this thing doesnt work anymore
piece of shit
@rotund matrix i'm doing assets/regiondevelopment/regiongroundup/* atm, pick something else from regiondevelopment
outside regiondevelopment it's done mostly
rotund matrix
i think you may have forgotten soundTab from Dev Tools/Sounds ? but ill start on one of the other ones from there now
winged rapids
I return for now
rotund matrix
wb o/
winged rapids
rotund matrix
going to go through regiondevelopment/architecture of rain world
cold zinc
hardhatcat (EVIL)
Nightcat being the modding wiki mascot... The dream..
winged rapids
LOL
ruby dragon
people will think is wanderer kisd
cold zinc
Hi so
loud lichen
cursed
rotund matrix
same 
cold zinc
Can I claim the level editor pages?
rotund matrix
right now we are just attempting to port everything over
winged rapids
I'm just making a trello for organising who's doing what
loud lichen
want to start porting? go ahead
cold zinc
Yeye, for porting
rotund matrix
cold zinc
Let me crawl out of bed
rotund matrix
me and thalber are doing files so dw too much about those atm
or at least we're trying to but unfortunately this migration is happening in the middle of MH migrating their servers
cold zinc
And suffering, apparently? Pffff
loud lichen
yes because we had the luck to start when their servers are fucking dying every 2 minutes from a lengthy maintenance task
winged rapids
https://trello.com/invite/b/uajv3uYM/0ead19f09d5005f1e7a1e1e84dcf4327/to-mirahez...
if you're doing something, add the task to the appropriate column and assign yourself
when it's done obviously you can move it to the appropriate "done" col
rotund matrix
would image uploads go under page move or meta
winged rapids
page move
rotund matrix
winged rapids
maybe I should rename to content
I will add some categories for mod dev in general, levels, code
rotund matrix
getting nothing but straight 503s here
loud lichen
lmao
ruby dragon
yes because we had the luck to start when their servers are fucking dying every ...
is this a yes for me or somebody else, I'm not sure
winged rapids
at least after this the performance should - in theory - be better than ever
loud lichen
to havens
cold zinc
Clearly we have cursed their servers
cold zinc
Yeah and that's why we need 
as the mascot
ruby dragon
instead of the building cat, we use stare cat to scare new comers
cold zinc
We can teach him to build
loud lichen
or hear me out we could scoop out the nightcat's eyes and make this into a stonehead creepypasta wiki
rotund matrix
the blood lizard
cold zinc
Modding will get us there I think tbh
winged rapids
<a:gone:999312558852931715>
gargone
winged rapids
by "file move" do you guys mean the images or the text?
loud lichen
images
rotund matrix
the images
winged rapids
cool
cold zinc
PC is booting up give it a bit :'DD
winged rapids
lol
rotund matrix
every time the mh servers hitch i have a heart attack smh
all of the region development images have been uploaded, starting on leditor images
winged rapids
people like us are probably making the migration hell for miraheze 
loud lichen
collisions lol
rotund matrix
winged rapids
fight fight fight
rotund matrix
no need to fight, i already got it done 
loud lichen
bruh
rotund matrix
that just means the image didnt load for you, should be fine
loud lichen
it's apparently broken but nor broken
rotund matrix
theres nothing wrong with the upload, the request to fetch the image just timed out on thalber's end
loud lichen
503s again aughhh
ruby dragon
the feared number
cold zinc
oh good god
rotund matrix
watch this
loud lichen
amazing
rotund matrix
actually lower than my usual its typically at 4k
winged rapids
jeez
cold zinc
alright so thats like 6 new cards on the trello
work time
inw hich; does anyone care if i (temporarily) just do it as plain-text porting :V?
loud lichen
dont hurry, a 503 can fuck over your page submission probably
cold zinc
since i want to touch up the pages in general afterwards
winged rapids
that works
rotund matrix
yeah thats fine
cold zinc
winged rapids
where are you starting btw dak?
cold zinc
ill start with.. the official level editor-
in which im gonna just make the page 'level editor' because i'd like to cover both community and normal one on the same page?
winged rapids
sure
cold zinc
and preferably promote the ocmmunity one more because its better :V
ex; having it be the first link w/ the 'official' one being the second
winged rapids
okay, I'll about to add a category called "Level Editing" I think in that case
cold zinc
winged rapids
I've already made a page for one called "Code Mods"
cold zinc
especially since its gonna have like, the sub-editors as pages lol
rotund matrix
in which im gonna just make the page 'level editor' because i'd _like_ to cover ...
i wonder if it would be good to have it as more of a disambiguation page yeah
cold zinc
the main differences is really the community editor just..
has more keybinds/features?
so i think it's a lot easier to have a table w/ the keybinds, and then mark which ones are community-editor added
etc
go over the basics of it on the main page, ofc
rotund matrix
thats also a verb
cold zinc
shit thats a verb too
rotund matrix
cold zinc
DANG.
winged rapids
lmao
winged rapids
we can
ruby dragon
level mods?
winged rapids
example to clarify how I was imagining categories for different mod types could work:
page at Categories:Code_Mods would have
- very brief desc of code mods and what they can do
- link to "how to install code mods" in case end-users end up here somehow
- links to the other pages in the category which would be about making code mods
cold zinc
hmm
i wonder if it'd be worth it to have editor category and level mods category?
since i think pages can be in two at once, right?
ruby dragon
what's the differences and similarities
rotund matrix
theres no limit on how many categories a page can be in yeah
cold zinc
what's the differences and similarities
level editor pages themselves vs regions
or arenas?
winged rapids
(fun fact, in reverse, categories can only have some arbitrary number of pages in them, which is set to 200 by default)
winged rapids
(also table of contents have a max intendation... of 999)
cold zinc
TO BE FAIR IF YOU GO PAST 999 YOU MIGHT HAVE A PROBLEM TO BEGIN WITH
winged rapids
lmao
rotund matrix
(also table of contents have a max intendation... of 999)
my plans to make a Development page on the main wiki are in jeopardy 
cold zinc
developmment page 1 and 2
ruby dragon
level editor pages themselves vs regions
i would separate them but give a link to follow up
cold zinc
yeye- of course
rotund matrix
all level editor images have been ported over
cold zinc
oh sweet
,,,give me a bit to figure out how to Use them because im using the main wiki as my reference for how to do that LMAO
i am literally just viewing the source to see how like, links, etc are done
rotund matrix
you insert files by calling them with [[File:filename.extension]]
rotund matrix
links on the same wiki are done [[Page Name|and optionally with a different name from the page]] like this
links to outside the wiki are [link optional hyperlink text] like this
winged rapids
guys I got a 502 
rotund matrix
the elusive 502..
cold zinc
are we gonna give guide to the normal editor or community editor
so what i plan on doing is uhhhm
covering both in the same page? w/ the differences for geometry/tile/etc marked on those pages
w/ the community editor specific keybinds being marked for example
instead of having like, two near-identical pages?
i will need help with thre community editor's differences just because I havent used it all too much personally (no need for the things it adds yet pfffff)
rotund matrix
imo i feel like in the case of separate pieces of software, even when one is derived from another, its better to keep them self contained rather than putting them together and risking muddying some people's understanding of the programs
cold zinc
maybe? in the case of most changes it's literally.. like
a keybind just wont work PFF
it might depend on a page-by-page case though
rotund matrix
using mods, dev tools, region development, level editor and configmachine category files are all moved
cold zinc
for making custom tiles i know i'll either have to format it a lot better or make anew page for community-editor exclusive features
rotund matrix
checking configmachine category now
winged rapids
dak, do you want to put level editor pages in a category called "Level Editor"?
winged rapids
okay
I don't think a category page is required, so you can do whatever
just checking to see what the plan is
cold zinc
if anything having the category page just link to the main level editor page would be the best idea
ruby dragon
i will need help with thre community editor's differences just because I havent ...
i can help with the community editor I'm the one to not say the most that uses it
rotund matrix
ok i think thats officially all of the files moved over now 
winged rapids
I think where the category page doesn't exist it should just list the pages in the category, right?
not sure
rotund matrix
yeahhh miraheze's category pages are finnicky
cold zinc
it should yuh- its just that the main level editor page is inhernetly gonna be the main gateway
it'll just be uhh
Level_Editor
winged rapids
example:
rotund matrix
we have both a creatures page and creatures category on main for instance 
ruby dragon
maybe we can put as level editor is this but here is a more modded version [link]
winged rapids
yike
winged rapids
if the community editor is going to have its own page then I think that and the official level editor pages should link to each other ?
obviously if you're doing that you have to clear about what the other is
cold zinc
hmm
yeah..
y'know
how about this
main editor page > links to its sub-editor pages
and
community editor page > links to parts of those above pages that denote the differences
winged rapids
sounds good to me
cold zinc
just because i think it'd be really silly to have a super short page of community editor differences per thing.. pfff
and it'd be easier on navigation, i think
winged rapids
yeah
rotund matrix
alright, gonna begin porting page contents now
cold zinc
the level editor main page is taking 5000 years because it's..
its just every keybind..
winged rapids
lol
ruby dragon
don't forget the second cursor
cold zinc
<< >>
would anyone care if I lump environment editor and camera editor together, by the way
just because they're both off to the right and SUPER tiny pages otherwise
environment editor literally has 3 keybinds and nothing else to it
rotund matrix
imo i think all of the tile/prop/effect etc editors should go under the leditor page as subheaders
cold zinc
uhhhh
please trust me when i say seperate pages for tiles/props/effects is better
i'll link the main page and you'll see why just because of all the damn keybinds
not even any subeditor specific features, quirks etc
winged rapids
I'm not a level person but I don't think you should mix and match. Either they are all separate pages or all one
otherwise it may become confusing to navigate unless you already know your way round the editor
ruby dragon
tbh camera editor is a bit more deep
cold zinc
fair enough!
rotund matrix
i'll link the main page and you'll see why just because of all the damn keybinds...
i know, im looking at em
cold zinc
i just asked only because environmente ditor will literally be a 3 line page
and that seems.. messy
not messy, pointless?
ruby dragon
is not pointless
winged rapids
could it be expanded by adding tips for using that part of the editor?
cold zinc
uh...
ruby dragon
atleast you need to give a description and maybe how looks infront and behind geo water
rotund matrix
i think these keybinds could be consolidated into something much more concise (and it also.. already lists every single type of sub editor within the official level editor so why not just go all the way and include the rest of those pages there too?)
ruby dragon
the cons and pros
cold zinc
could it be expanded by adding tips for using that part of the editor?
Environment Editor: L - Change water level based on mouse movement F - Toggles between drawing water above the first layer or below it. W - Removes water from the level if there is already water. If there is no water, sets water level to halfway up the level.
winged rapids
,,
ruby dragon
atleast you need to give a description and maybe how looks infront and behind ge...
this
cold zinc
i think these keybinds could be consolidated into something much more concise (a...
i will fix the main page when it's done
yeah! i would-
i just wonder if its best to lump it in w/ cameras or the main page?
just because it's... it's so tiny
winged rapids
it literally just moves water...
winged rapids
I'm not a level person but I don't think you should mix and match. Either they a...
as silly as it sounds now, I think I still stand by this lmao
cold zinc
3 line page with 2 images it is LOL
rotund matrix
im saying since all of these sub editors are already mentioned as subheaders on the editor page why not consolidate all of the sub editors into the main leditor page
cold zinc
im saying since all of these sub editors are already mentioned as subheaders on ...
because they have a lot of quirks to them
rotund matrix
?
ruby dragon
think about this, if they are united it will give confusion thinking is just one category
winged rapids
I think the clarity is worth it, personally, but again I'm not a level person
rotund matrix
i dont see how that is mutually exclusive to detailing their quirks 
rotund matrix
i think long pages are an inevitability with a wiki that is intended to guide people through making their first mods and stuff
cold zinc
i just kind of really hate the idea of having one massive main page and that's about it for the editor 
if that makes sense
especially when most keybinds besides moving the camera dont translate between them all?
rotund matrix
it would make more sense to have it all on one page so people can just search "level editor" instead of the Specific Sub Editor Theyre Looking For
ruby dragon
okay what if
cold zinc
hmh
rotund matrix
the table of contents will allow them to then jump to the specific one they want info on
and then you can lay out all of the information about them under the subheader
cold zinc
i suppose so..
loud lichen
category naming conventions
cold zinc
just seems messier to me pff
loud lichen
should shit be capitalized
ruby dragon
we separate in two categories, one that says only key binds and the others explaining other stuff
rotund matrix
should shit be capitalized
yes
loud lichen
ok
cold zinc
we separate in two categories, one that says only key binds and the others expla...
nnno you'd want everything to be lumped together per-editor
winged rapids
should shit be capitalized
yes please (except words like "of" and "and" imo)
cold zinc
that'd make it worse
winged rapids
I agree with kip in that having the keybinds for every part of the editor when each part already has a specific page is kind of weird...
cold zinc
I agree with kip in that having the keybinds for every part of the editor when e...
keep in mind the main page i dont want to HAVE the keybinds
rotund matrix
we separate in two categories, one that says only key binds and the others expla...
thats basically how it currently is
cold zinc
if i split it into other pages, anyway
winged rapids
yes
cold zinc
just because it's a MESS rn
but im porting it as-is (slowly because im also talking here lol) before fixing it
rotund matrix
?
ruby dragon
kinda distracted don't mind me
anyways i might help with the community editor
but how would be organized
winged rapids
I think the table of contents should make a large page with all of the editor info manageable and would flow better (if lediting is a roughly linear experience, idk)
I just think one format should be picked and adhered to
cold zinc
but how would be organized
ill let you know how it'll go i think once we figure it out
cold zinc
I think the table of contents should make a large page with *all* of the editor ...
it isnt for me tbh
rotund matrix
its like grabbing a dictionary and flipping to the letter youre looking for
cold zinc
people either do it as like
geometry all at once, tiles all at once, etc
or hop between both like a psychopath
winged rapids
lol
cold zinc
I mostly.. uhm
stay in the tiles editor
there's like 3 or 4 ways to make a level that people follow i think LOL
ruby dragon
most people first do geom, then tiles, then effects, then props last lights and render
winged rapids
if each tab is a separate page they should all have their own pages, even if one of them is a piddly 3 lines
ruby dragon
i do that sometimes but mostly i mix in between
winged rapids
in the end, you're porting them so I think you should do that, and if loads of people object to that later down the line we can think about changing it ?
cold zinc
that's true yuh
rotund matrix
whilst hyperlinks are great i also feel like thats just going to cause people to feel frustrated hopping between so many pages containing instructions for the same software
cold zinc
i suppose so.. but that's also kind of how the editor is ^^;;
and what tabs are for
the editor is super messy, kip
ruby dragon
i think what's more important to document is custom tiling, props and effects
rotund matrix
the tabber extension
cold zinc
the what extension
winged rapids
cold zinc
i think what's more important to document is custom tiling, props and effects
i want it to have as much documentation as the main page
winged rapids
that might be a good idea
cold zinc
main page comes first, of course!
custom tiles and props come after, as its ont as important
rotund matrix
the tabber extension lets you divide page content into tabs which can be switched between
cold zinc
v important but not like, baseline level-
rotund matrix
it works fine on mobile
cold zinc
7 editor pages
cold zinc
THAT would be giga useful though
because if we have that i can keep it all on the main page
rotund matrix
whilst still clearly dividing them yos :D
rotund matrix
oh uhh we might need an extension for it first
winged rapids
the only thing there is I think we should add css for the tabber tabs to add an outline/background so they stand out more, e.g.
rotund matrix
look at the echo page on main
rotund matrix
the only thing there is I think we should add css for the tabber tabs to add an ...
oh definitely
winged rapids
(Graphoic design is my pashoipn"
rotund matrix
(Graphoic design is my pashoipn"
what do you MEAN wobbly lines arent appealing to look at !!
yeah we have been meaning to but we dont have a lot of css people
cold zinc
alas i dont knwo css either..
winged rapids
yeah, I didn't realise that's where the dialogue had gone lol
cold zinc
i mean.. might as well??? PFF
winged rapids
I think we should also check to see where the hydradark stuff in the css is being used
because if it's nowhere we should just remove it
and then porting css between the wikis becomes easier
I've already removed it from the css on the modding wiki
rotund matrix
definitely
winged rapids
we should also get as many colours, corner radius values, etc. as possible working with variables so we can change it easily for each wiki
also better variable names
rotund matrix
lemme do a preview
winged rapids
idk what dark-green and dark-pink are for (within ctrl+f through common.css because I'm lazy and havne't checked yet)
and I wrote them
loud lichen
winged rapids
wooo
rotund matrix
loud lichen
ugly as hell but that's for later probably
rotund matrix
@cold zinc
cold zinc
ok so im gonna leave that as-is then LOL
rotund matrix
oh god..... miodbing. .........
rotund matrix
dark green (white)
oh wait -- cash, i just remembered i need to be a bureacrat to view extension and wiki management stuff
winged rapids
really?
rotund matrix
yeah
cold zinc
tiny goofy question for the modding wikib y the way:
do we have specific headers like this available and not just the 'spoiler' ones
as i havent seen any 'this page has to-do/sucks' on the main wiki yet pff
rotund matrix
we do have a cleanup template actually
cold zinc
no sucks template.... devastating
cold zinc
i c i c
rotund matrix
once i stop getting 503s 
loud lichen
o uh i think the Tools should be capitalised
done
cold zinc
it did NOTHING awesome let me re-do that
sweet
(we dont need a specific {{Sucks}} template as funny as that would be)
so my question is, since tabber seems awesome and swag:
should i wait to port the sub-editor pages?
and just plonk them in as placeholders once tabber's a thing
rotund matrix
placeholder as in to be expanded on prolly
cold zinc
yuhyuh
placeholder as in like, ACTUALL just porting the old page as a palceholder PFF
since i want to re-do them all
loud lichen
yes, for now just carry them over while fixing syntax
cold zinc
the props editor page is literally just the keybinds without any info on what it's for or can do 
yuh- im just wondering if i should wait for tabber?
since they wont be their own pages
loud lichen
they won't?
rotund matrix
it wont take long to enable it
cold zinc
the tabber extension lets you divide page content into tabs which can be switche...
we decided it'd be easier to do smthn like this
.
i did not mean to ping kip with that Oops
reply feature my detested
rotund matrix
no worries!
loud lichen
understood
rotund matrix
idm em
rotund matrix
reply feature my detested
also discord pc hack if you hold shift whilst clicking the reply button it disables the ping
no idea why they implemented that and not a global toggle but
guh i forgor a bunch of templates rely on other templates 
template importing time ig
ill go through our entire template list on main and grab a bunch that seem handy to have here
loud lichen
are we going to have tabbed LE page as well
cold zinc
the level editor page's gonna be the main page- with tabs being for each seperate sub-editor
loud lichen
okay, i'm just going to move main page now then
cold zinc
easier organization than all on one page w/ no tabs and easier to find together than like, 6 pages
well
cold zinc
okay, i'm just going to move main page now then
https://rainworldmodding.miraheze.org/wiki/Level_Editor i just finished it pfff
i forgot to claim it on trello didnt i
ruby dragon
what's tabbed?
cold zinc
ruby dragon
I'm kinda lost
cold zinc
have you seen the five pebbles page on the main wiki?
loud lichen
i forgot to claim it on trello didnt i
yes
it's missing some formatting i will add tables then
cold zinc
yuh that'd be fine
winged rapids
sorry I'm drowning in tabs, do we need me to add the tabber ext
cold zinc
i didnt bother w/ formatting yet because of how i'd be re-doing it
uhhhh
kip is on it
rotund matrix
i cant since im not a bureaucrat
cold zinc
o
winged rapids
what's it called?
ruby dragon
have you seen the five pebbles page on the main wiki?
not really
winged rapids
just "tabber"?
rotund matrix
what's it called?
TabberNeue
the one thats called just Tabber is outdated and i think they may have removed it from the curated list entirely
rotund matrix
not really
well i just linked it so go look smh smh (lighthearted)
cold zinc
,,, i have no idea how to claim pags on trello
winged rapids
done @rotund matrix @cold zinc
ruby dragon
well i just linked it so go look smh smh (lighthearted)
i gave a look and it is empty
winged rapids
@loud lichen I found msupload... it's in a different place to uploadwizard... lol
rotund matrix
i gave a look and it is empty
ruby dragon
does tabbed works on cellphone?
cold zinc
it's missing some formatting i will add tables then
let me know when you're done w/ that by the way
i have No Idea how to use tabbed though
rotund matrix
cold zinc
o ty
ruby dragon
hm
cold zinc
i hope so, at least.. ;v;
rotund matrix
im fairly certain you only get one table of contents per page though
cold zinc
oouh
that's not good
i was hoping i could have a table of contents per tab for the heftier ones like geometry/cameras (since i want to go over the features in more detail on that one)
because cameras editor is a BITCH and has more to it than you'd think
rotund matrix
we could add a TOC template though which lets you manually add them i think
cold zinc
that'd be useful
rotund matrix
maybe . ?
cold zinc
ex;
cameras editor
-keybinds
-how to use
-camera tilting
roughly ofc but
smthn like that, yeah? just so you can zoop to what you want pff
especially on the geo tab..
rotund matrix
hhh tables of content seem kind of broken on tabbed pages unfortunately :S
rotund matrix
trying to put multiple in different tabs breaks the tabs
rotund matrix
i guess you could make a "cheaty" table of contents that actually just has a normal link to the headers but it wouldnt be as smooth as the natural one
rotund matrix
yeah that sounds like a decent enough compromise
the page will load but itll bring you to the header
i think 
rotund matrix
oh yeah i mean. it definitely will but i just realised the example i was using actually linked to a different page so now i am temporarily vandalising testing
cold zinc
PFF
rotund matrix
ok! clicking on a normal link still smoothly brings you to that section w/ no page load if its within the same page
so no worries i think :o
cold zinc
thats awesome!! sweet
winged rapids
I have to run again
rotund matrix
alright!
winged rapids
I should be back in a couple of hours
cold zinc
o/
winged rapids
added a quick
ruby dragon
i think is pertinent say how to instal LE and CLE
rotund matrix
ok last template im porting over for now will be the global navbox which probably wont be too useful rn but once we get our categories properly set up it should be 
then i am probably going to go sleep because oops i have been awake too long
cold zinc
i think is pertinent say how to instal LE and CLE
yees i will get to that dont worry 
and yuh thats fine
shell swallow
oh on the topic of this, <@444857307843657739>, i remade this emote so its a bit...
how dare you say my 5 min edit was not nice!!!!!!
ruby dragon
why your pfp reminds me of "Two of them"
shell swallow
there are two wolves inside me?
ruby dragon
what
placid island
placid island
`Environment Editor:
L - Change water level based on mouse movement
F - Toggles ...
I would expand the environment editor page by adding an example ingame of what above layer one water looks like compared to below layer one water. Like showing how it interacts with pipe tiles, so people new to level editing understand the difference
ruby dragon
I would expand the environment editor page by adding an example ingame of what a...
yes, i said that kisd
cold zinc
who?
loud lichen
what leaking MSC, leaking CG then leaking MSC does to a motherfucker
cold zinc
wait they leaked msc???
loud lichen
twice
loud lichen
no clue playtester maybe
ruby dragon
the first time was accidental tho
loud lichen
they admitted this one was intentional
ruby dragon
also when leaked CG??
shell swallow
concealed gar
loud lichen
also when leaked CG??
into an off-discord chat i happened to be in
cold zinc
what'd they do the second time???
loud lichen
into an off-discord chat i happened to be in
it was uhhh
i think the modular water room on DS side
ruby dragon
ic
cold zinc
dm me it, of course
but i genuinely had no clue they had... anything?? of msc
or how they'd have gotten it/smthn to leak
loud lichen
his ban here has already gone through your team
ruby dragon
nobody knows how he haves that info from msc
cold zinc
...i didnt see it in staff chat??...
ill check again but huh
yeah not here's uh.. i didnt even know they were banned
shell swallow
its in records
winged rapids
how goes wiki
cold zinc
i was checking to see if there was discussion of it in staff chat at all
shell swallow
probably this thread is not the best place to discuss this?
loud lichen
how goes wiki <:slugbotanist:695022455344988280>
still stuck on LE keybind tables
cold zinc
of which i am waiting on
(don't feel pressure, i have to do other things rn)
loud lichen
time consuming
winged rapids
I'm going to start on the bepinex page
and then maybe the bepinplugin page if no-one beats me to it
is it just me or are the fullstops really small
I swear they're like
1x1.5 pixels at this size
ruby dragon
with what can I help?
loud lichen
theres a trello pinned
loud lichen
o
winged rapids
I'm working on something now though
winged rapids
visual editor > insert > code block
not sure what it looks like, but it's there
there's also a code editor extension that we can look at. I currently don't know what it does
winged rapids
ah shit
just thinking about trying to nicely organise installation instructions is a reminder of how chaotic our ecosystem is
loud lichen
could always have been worse
winged rapids
absolutely
loud lichen
oh my god it looks like it pulls the code through their server for syntax highlighting every time
winged rapids
oh no...
loud lichen
not sure what it looks like, but it's there
good enough
no inline codeblocks though
winged rapids
ah
winged rapids
uh
example: there's one up at Categories:Code_Mods
I was going to add pages to that category (and link to them from the category page) for bepinplugins, partiality mods, etc.
loud lichen
ok makes sense
winged rapids
(on main page)
loud lichen
i think it's Category not Categories and that page is not a category page
winged rapids
mmm
it is, thanks for catching that
btw I've just claimed the bepinex and partiality pages because I have better copies of the pages somewher
I'll sort them once I've eaten
winged rapids
Nice
loud lichen
and shit's falling again
loud lichen
do we want to force email verification for editors?
yes everyone has email verified anyways probably
winged rapids
done
loud lichen
i think i'll start on tabbing devtools page
winged rapids
godspeed
watching the visual edit bar load, pause at 75%, and seeing an error popup is my favourite activity
winged rapids
has anyone ever made a rw mod in visual basic?
winged rapids
A class library defines types and methods that are called by an application. If the library targets .NET Standard 2.0, it can be called by any .NET implementation (including .NET Framework) that supports .NET Standard 2.0.
theoretically possible I think?
wtf?
LMAO
someone's literally edited ".NET 6.0" onto the image
peak documentation
loud lichen
microsoft docs at their finest
loud lichen
i hate tables i hate tables
winged rapids
lol
loud lichen
lol
room settings down
acrually
why am i converting manually
there's probably a tool somewhere for this
are tables the way they're done in gh wiki something standard
loud lichen
https://pandoc.org/
also @winged rapids can you pin this
winged rapids
https://pandoc.org/
I got distracted by youtube but just so people know what I'm up to, I've been trying to figure out how best to categorise these for a while
I think this needs resorting completely
loud lichen
gotta admit if there was no github migration, this would have been way easier
rotund matrix
gotta admit if there was no github migration, this would have been way easier
we would have still had to transfer images over manually so at least our efforts there were not hypothetically in vain
loud lichen
DT pages completed
well
ported
in the way they were
with someone's uhhh
"idk what this effect does but my best guess is..."
these survived 2 migrations already lol
loud lichen
we would have still had to transfer images over manually so at least our efforts...
or we could webscrape them illegally and just pretend we didn't
who the fuck is gonna check
shell swallow
Wait why is scrapping not possible?
winged rapids
oops lol
shell swallow
How many images could there be, no more than 50 right?
shell swallow
or we could webscrape them illegally and just pretend we didn't
I would say go for it lol
loud lichen
for this wiki in particular? there were about 70 i think
winged rapids
fandom care very little about anything other than profit apparently
loud lichen
that would be an interesting story
winged rapids
they won't notice unless you start blanking pages
rotund matrix
not too bad of a task for a couple of people, definitely nothing compared to the kind of manpower we needed for the main migration
which was like
8
so not actually that much more
winged rapids
and we did it without bulk upload tools lol
rotund matrix
yep!!
winged rapids
"back in my day..."
rotund matrix
you youngins and your fancy schmancy media scrapers 
loud lichen
we're gonna need a bigger ukulele categories for pre- and post-dp pages probably
shell swallow
How is the Obama page going?
rotund matrix
keeps getting added back from what i last saw
he is friends with the scavengers now
winged rapids
I wonder how long it will take for these people who give 0 shits about rain world to realise it's futile
actually, have they appointed any new admins?
rotund matrix
nope
winged rapids
lmao
rotund matrix
just the wiki rep and the anti spam/griefing agent
and both of them have barely been active other than reverting really overt griefing
(usually ones with inappropriate terms in them.... telling 
)
loud lichen
are they paid personnel or random volunteers decided by edit count
rotund matrix
volunteers at fandom
why pay the people investing countless hours of free time into moderating your terrible platform when you can neatly file it away under volunteer work like with everything else used to turn your profit
winged rapids
yeah but they have a powerful role and title
and what do volunteers for a capitalist hellscape like fandom love more than power
loud lichen
winged rapids
The Spam Obliteration and Prevention (SOAP, formerly VSTF and GRASP) team
loud lichen
how vile is the English speaking FANDOM contingent actually
if any of you really interacted
winged rapids
actually, if I'm making a list of common types of code mod, is it worth mentioning anything but bep plugins and preloader patchers?
partmods and mm patches should really be phased out
rotund matrix
i think its worth mentioning them for like... historical purposes
winged rapids
yeah, somewhere else
but I believe il hooking, runtime detour, and harmony patching are all techniques that you can use within a bep plugin, rather than a type of mod ?
loud lichen
yes
winged rapids
I was trying to power through the bepinex page but I'm about to fall asleep at my desk so maybeee not
rotund matrix
go rest cash !! youve earned it
vernal kraken
wooo wikiful
cold zinc
touched up the main level editor page some- i haven't messed with the sub editors themselves at all yet though
but they Are in tabs at least now
if anyone wants to see if i worded stuff badly uhhhh
be my guest? lmao
winged rapids
okay, I think I've listed the rest of the pages that need porting on trello. If you see a task that nobody has assigned themselves to, feel free to assign yourself. Tasks with a green label are what I've considered "good first tasks" meaning they're pretty straight forward
I'm off the for the night
thanks everyone who's been involved so far :)
rotund matrix
have a goodnight cash!
winged rapids
gn 
rotund matrix
cold zinc
@winged rapids potential background if we don't want to use HI? i threw it together since i didnt want to deal with 503 errors right now
not sure how good it'll be though
winged rapids
Oo, looks good :)
I think it's hard to tell whether it's appropriate as a wiki bg without trying it
I'll give it a go in a bit
winged rapids
latest mh notice
winged rapids
<@444857307843657739> potential background if we don't want to use HI? i threw i...
looks nice, not too visually distracting. I'll wait to see what you/others think before implementing though
we can probably tweak the colours of our theme to match
loud lichen
good relative-morning wikiful