💬︱dying-light-2

[slim pine]

i bought one before the DL points situation and thats it

[elder anchor]

I'm on PC, if that makes a difference

[slim pine]

i think the clown one

[shrewd otter]

Am I an update behind or something?

[rocky night]

That's what im saying, I loved it and got so filled with hope when it got the ps5 remaster/dlc

[shrewd otter]

I'm trying to figure out why my update is 40GB

[dusk sigil]

Ahhh then I have zero clue lol. If you have space it should work.

[rocky night]

console shenanigans

[shrewd otter]

Ah
Why didn't I think of that

[worldly glade]

Just you, my was 2

[shrewd otter]

2!?

[elder anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-cruise-top-gun-top-gun-maverick-thumbs-up-gif-25774068

[shrewd otter]

AAAAAAAHHHH

[dusk sigil]

Stupid outlets like IGN ruined the game, literally stopped caring about main stream reviews after IGNs review on Alien Isolation.
Days Gone my favourite Zombie game in recent years.

[shrewd otter]

I must be an update behind then

[rocky night]

same reason why I flip out on Activision every time there's and update to cod, and part of why I stopped playing destiny 2 for good

[dusk sigil]

Techland put you on some kind of list apparently

[rocky night]

At this point ign needs to be shut down, not once have i seen a properly conducted review by them

[narrow vapor]

Mine was 2 aswell

[elder anchor]

I only wish the progression was a little faster
not much, just a little faster

[narrow vapor]

Sometimes when a game needs updating it'll redownload the game there's nothing u can do about it

[rocky night]

this and maybe the ability to have a car engine on the bike like iron Mike's V8 chopper

[dusk sigil]

I get that, literally get a fully upgraded bike 2-3 missions from the end and get the best weapons 80% into the game😂

[shrewd otter]

Big number :C

[rocky night]

Don't worry karma, mine was 40g too

[elder anchor]

I got to the part where Iron Mike takes us to that town to get something, I don't quite remember what it was.
Then my save corrupted.
I couldn't get myself to start all over...

[rocky night]

Oooofffff

five big booms for you on that cause I agree so much, it took a lot to muster the strength for me to restart after mine corrupted at the second to last mission

[dusk sigil]

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but that's like 40% into the story give or take. Days Gone all long game lol

[rocky night]

actually what would even be a good location for a days gone 2, cause honestly it would be boring to stay in Oregon

[worldly glade]

The update was mainly changes rather than adding stuff, so the update will appear bigger because it's rewriting files not downloading. consoles don't usual show the download size and rewrite size separately so you're probably just getting the numbers together

[elder anchor]

I might start again after I get a new laptop in a few months.
My old laptop was so shit, it needed a lot of patience to actually play the game at that low of a framerate.
One of the reasons I quit.

[dusk sigil]

Game was supposed to be a trilogy, could have very well moved to different parts of the US.

[dusk sigil]

Go for it mate, fanatic game and a decent story. Loved it.

[rocky night]

even more reasons to be angry at outlets for doing terrible reviews and minimal exposure

iirc didnt ghost of tsushima sell bad at launch?

[elder anchor]

As of now, I need to know why the hell is DL2 not downloading the update even when it has the space it needs?

[dusk sigil]

Speaking of game saves corrupting, my first two save files in DL2 got corrupted at launch, one 5 hours into the game, 2nd 80 hours or so into the game😭😂

[rocky night]

damnnnn

[brittle root]

Globby outfit goes sick

[narrow vapor]

Is it in store yet?

[brittle root]

Was playing the game till it updates, doing graffiti walls achievement, along 50 survivors and max parkour

[elder anchor]

Should I delete DL2, and reinstall it then?

[dusk sigil]

DL2 launch month was a experience, only experienced two worse buggy and broken launches in Cyberpunk and Battlefield 2042. That was my experience lol.

[brittle root]

Dunno, 30 sec be4 playin back

[narrow vapor]

Ig

[eager wadi]

Please tell me I can opt out of the stamina thing, it's literally pointless to me

[brittle root]

I just miss the knight set in the shop

[rocky night]

at least cdpr actually saved it

[narrow vapor]

Think so

[dusk sigil]

One of the greatest redemption stories in gaming.

[eager wadi]

Literally makes inhibitors pointless unless it's for combat purposes, plus, it ruins story immersion as you're required to take an inhibitor in the prologue

[narrow vapor]

Not really

[worldly glade]

You CAN'T opt out, but it only becomes unlimited after the prologue

[eager wadi]

That's honestly a shame

[dusk sigil]

People want DL2 to be more like the original... I have a crazy and radical idea... why not simply boot up and play DL1 and leave people like me who actually enjoys the stamina system in DL2 more alone😂

[eager wadi]

EXACTLY

Honestly I hope they make it a toggle

In future updates

[worldly glade]

I feel like this is the shittiest implementation. Still unlimited in nightmare which doesn't make sense, and at least in dying light one you had to level up your skill tree completely first

[dusk sigil]

They need too.

[eager wadi]

Exactly, this is what I'm talking about

[rocky night]

honestly I hated the stamina in dl1 cause it actually got me killed a couple times cause crane didnt wanna let go of the damn ledge so a group of biters literally took a chunk outta his arse

[eager wadi]

As a mod creator, I relied on making stamina a resource that you must manage properly for difficulty purposes; now, this just defeats the whole purpose.

[dusk sigil]

Honestly though I do feel for Techland, they are in a situation where they are dammed if the do change the game into being more like DL1 and dammed if they don't change it lol

[worldly glade]

I wouldn't of minded it as much if it wasn't available in nightmare, and needed you to progress to get it. At least then it feels like a reward rather than a forced upon mechanic

[dusk sigil]

Climbing up a building in the downtown district, keeping an eye on your stamina as you try and claw your way up a huge build, infected chasing you... it was a immassive heart pounding experience, especially on nightmare...
All that ruined 😒

[slim pine]

on some level every developer making a sequel faces that, im of the opinion that techland needs to have a backbone to stick to their vision even if the loudest voices tell them to change it

[worldly glade]

I get that, but it solves no issue doing this. The dying light 2 fanbase gets fucked over, and the dying light one fanbase still won't be happy because the game is still nothing like dl1 nor is the stamina system with this new update

[eager wadi]

Dl1 fan base is just a bunch of nostalgia yapping, they won't be happy no matter what they do

[slim pine]

yeah, this update is such a mindfuck because the ENTIRE game was built around the expectation of having limited stamina, even the map's design was built around that, so now at least 15% of the core loop of the game is pointless code and models that took developers YEARS to make

[slim pine]

and unfortunately techland has the policy of listening to player's feedback, but it isn't the majority thats heard, its the loudest voices

[dusk sigil]

Whole point of a sequel is to improve and innovate over the first game, sure it took a year or so for DL2 to be it's own distinct game but it got there...
Last year or so DL2 has gone backwards, it's basically devolved into Dl1 2.0 😂😭

[worldly glade]

As a dying light one nerd, and someone that plays it way too much I can confidently say I don't want this. Let dying light 2 and dying light 1 be their own games and not try to turn either into each other

[dusk sigil]

Just waiting for Techland to add in a Harran skin for Villedor and we be set

[worldly glade]

I enjoyed dying light two, because it wasn't the first game, now it kind of just feels like a soulless cash grab.

[slim pine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRA7gxgqirg

i keep thinking back to this as i think more and more on the effects of unlimited stamina on the game's systems

[sullen niche]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[dusk sigil]

@narrow vapor it's out, atleast for me it is.

[slim pine]

yes

collecting half of the inhibitors is also pointless now

[worldly glade]

It's forced if you want some of the skills

700 dl points

[rocky night]

It better squeak when you smack stuff

[eager wadi]

I honestly am a Dying Light franchise nerd too, same for Techland games. I own every single game they developed, even if they're now delisted. I dedicated all my life to them, but now honestly, I am OK with The Beast. However, why remove an expansion to Aiden's story and just try to please DL1 nostalgia? Same with this change, DL2 must have it's own identity, and I agree with you in it, if you just make DL2 the same as DL1 then no point on calling it a sequel but a reboot?

[rocky night]

Honestly im still upset that the cyberhands are useless, I wanted so bad to use them in combat

[eager wadi]

At least it's a round number

You can spend 7 euros and have no leftovers

[worldly glade]

To be fair the original dlc 2 leaked and was hated so they kind of had to do something different, but for the most part I agree, they release dying light 2 as something completely different to the first then spend it's whole life cycle turning it into the first game.

[elder anchor]

what was the dlc2?

[eager wadi]

Exactly, I loved the Howler idea, but what they did with them is ridiculous

At least have them inside houses roaming during the night or something

[worldly glade]

it was called "something diamonds" I don't remember it too much but was practically a whole story based on a faction and had nothing to do with the tone of the gmae, the infected, or anything of the sorts

[rocky night]

dlc2 has become beast from what i knoe

[rocky night]

from what i read it was supposed to explore more of aidens infection

[elder anchor]

from what ik, they scraped dlc2, and started working on it again
but it ended up being so ambitious, they turned it into its own game

[elder anchor]

that sounds dope
why the hate then?

[rocky night]

is there any point to doing the tower raid, like any rewards to the main game

[slim pine]

it started as human centric again, then it got turned into a zombie focused dlc with crane showing up, the script to that got leaked and everyone memed on it then we got the beast

[visual briar]

Interesting name

[elder anchor]

dude, I literally theorized that way before, right here in this sub
everyone joked that I was going too far with my imagination

[worldly glade]

it has it's own "battle pass" that's completely free, it has elemental pistols along with a suppressed one. some outfits and other weapons too ( all go into base game)

[tight wyvern]

Oh interesting

[rocky night]

oh okay so i might actually play it then

[visual ore]

So does the update mean theres no stamina cost for climbing?

[slim pine]

the name was "blood diamonds" or something

[worldly glade]

Yes

[plain mesa]

Pretty much

[rocky night]

but also screw all the other story stuff, how the hell did spike get out of harran?

[tight wyvern]

I think this is the first time they made a bundle free

[visual ore]

Is it only that or is there something else

[slim pine]

hell i dont even think it' a theory but rather fact

[rocky night]

LIKE WHY WAS THAT NEVER TALKED ABOUT

[worldly glade]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvpxDzHFTF4

2 minutes in

[slim pine]

there was an event about that in DL1 years ago i think

[tight wyvern]

https://youtu.be/7u5ofxDJAlE?si=W_D6Ozm9dnMynyF0

https://youtu.be/5U6hA6fpBOA?si=9QwFBx_A2WcAZOGv

[urban crater]

so happy to not have to focus my game on stamina, which always seemed to damper the fun

[dusk sigil]

Pretty sure leonardo DiCaprio was the main villain too.

[elder anchor]

no, like, before the dlc2 leak, I said I wished Crane returned as a character in dlc2 or DL3
probably at the time of the Good Night Good Luck update

[slim pine]

you dont know what fun is

[mighty finch]

and good luck

[rocky night]

Oh, I had not known about this at all

[elder anchor]

bonjour Frank

[tight wyvern]

@rocky night this is how

[urban crater]

big statement from a 1 second interaction lol

[slim pine]

oooh, well, hot take: i do NOT like crane at all, he is not a well written character

[slim pine]

im aware

[urban crater]

Kyle Crane has personality and character and his story isn't all that bad

[slim pine]

eeeennh, he really doesnt, granted Aidn also doesnt have either but it doesnt make crane better

[elder anchor]

I get it
a military trained mercenary, can't run for longer than 20seconds or climb a fuckin wall
needed to learn that from regular professionals
my reason to be drifting away from Crane

What do you think about Aiden?

[slim pine]

they are both bad, but Aiden has a more reasonable motivation that doesnt come out of anywhere

[dusk sigil]

For me, game is literally ruined and that's not a exaggeration... What's the point of having a sequel if it just turns into the original in the end. Pointless update nobody was asking for.

[elder anchor]

Finally, someone that uses their brains right, and has the patience to analise things

[urban crater]

you want to struggle with stamina?

[elder anchor]

and now, I can't even complete my 4th playthrough
I was literally omw to meet Veronika

[slim pine]

to explain further, Aiden wants to find his sister, which yes as the player we dont care about the sister as we've spent no time with her, but Crane is a (presumably) trained operative, who turns on the GRE at the drop of a hat

[slim pine]

i know you didnt ask me but: YES, i'd like to struggle, because that way i need to think about how im going to get through obstacles rather then push the W key

[dusk sigil]

I never really struggled with it, I managed it and it effected the way I played the game. Before jumping into combat did I have enough stamina to escape up that building, do I have enough stamina to sprint away... it was fun, added a immersive element into the game... now completely ruined

[urban crater]

you're preaching to the choir like these discussions have been had a thousand times with both characters so brain or no brain, it's all been said and done

[elder anchor]

ig if we go into theories, soldiers/agents are never given all the info, and are told to do things without questioning
Crane probably did other missions with no info as well, but this time, things came to the light for him, so he immediately turned on the GRE

[elder anchor]

example being the final battle in TENET

[urban crater]

oh right, it's just in tower raid or other whenever dealing with hordes it becomes an issue. Aiden has the speed and physics and having to focus on stamina is idk not fun lol

[wide nymph]

What's the point of using inhibitors on Stamina now? I don't understand this change, who asked for this?

[slim pine]

we aren't really shown that though, as far as we can see, a trained operative who should have no reason to care, just ditches their employers at the drop of a hat

[urban crater]

I mean say your peace about the characters, but to assume no one has brains when it's 2025 and we've exhausted all discussions for both aiden and Kyle

[worldly glade]

It would only be for skills lock to them

[dusk sigil]

Making the game more simple and brain dead isn't a good thing. This update has fundamentally changed the game for the worst... stamina puzzle section like the windmills and climbing for military drops are pointless and ruined.
As said before even the basic traversal and combat have been ruined aswell...
Inhibitors have become pointless in a sense...
The rewarding feeling you get by managing your stamina as you parkour your way through the city is now gone...
Such an awful update. @urban crater

[elder anchor]

well, Techland never gave us anything on the origins of the infection either, but we came up with impressive shit
might as well do it here

[wide nymph]

This just makes the game easier for no real good reason, stamina drain is a part of core gameplay

It's already easy to evade infected as it is

[rocky night]

honestly would've been funny if they brought be the zombie back, I think that'd actually make night formidable for dl2

[worldly glade]

As I said earlier "I feel like this is the shittiest implementation. Still unlimited in nightmare which doesn't make sense, and at least in dying light one you had to level up your skill tree completely first"

[dusk sigil]

Techland just assumes you are an idiot that find it hard to manage your stamina...

[elder anchor]

volatiles don't charge attacks anymore anymore, like dl1, they just throw attacks
that'll make it further more like dl1, and that's pretty much what this community wants

DL2 will further lose it identity completely

[wide nymph]

I actually haven't played DL2 in a long time, but I've been following updates and such. This change is so baffling to me I had to come here to express my disbelief and see if other people also agreed.

[rocky night]

well we have to choices for it, either totally a bioweapon that got out of hand, or a space disease

[slim pine]

the strain in DL2 is technically a bioweapon right? or just modified for the hell of it?

[rocky night]

Yes to both really

[elder anchor]

that'll actually make the nights formidable, in the opinion of the community

[rocky night]

but the real start of the infection, what happened in harran, is what I really wanna know, because we don't get a solid answer

[slim pine]

its unnecessary, baffling, actively makes the game worse, a waste of time to have made, retroactively a waste of time for 90% of every challenge or activity in the game to be implemented. i feel like continuing but i wont

[elder anchor]

just make it Beast mode Aiden that doesn't do that much damage, and also isn't invincible

[rocky night]

I was more so meaning for chases

[elder anchor]

btz always has been a PvP thing, how we gonna integrate that with regular chases?

[rocky night]

the chase system needs something, maybe have banshees or demolishers join in

[elder anchor]

oh, right
that makes more sense

[rocky night]

like imagine an interaction of the two where a demolisher throws a boulder with a banshee on it, if you dodge the boulder you still gotta dodge her

[rocky night]

and banshees can actually chase you down if the ai didnt chose flight 90% of the time

[modern pulsar]

Tl spaghetti code so spaghettified they removed a core part of the game

[rocky night]

Idk, don't quote me, im just salty about how tedious it is to get parkour levels

[wide nymph]

Who even asked for this?

[slim pine]

SOME people did, never thought it was enough to justify doing this...

[wide nymph]

That is bs

[rocky night]

https://tenor.com/view/good-job-idiots-robert-geraldino-robertidk-well-done-stupid-people-you-idiots-did-a-great-job-gif-27251096

[modern pulsar]

I haven't seen a single human being complaining of the stamina

[rocky night]

cough cough

[modern pulsar]

The only annoying thing was in non auto run aiden stops every half a minute

[rocky night]

incompetent ppl

[rocky night]

now that I agree with

[slim pine]

i saw a couple mostly in other places, i genuinely do mean like five or six people

[elder anchor]

people have been complaining for years now that "dL2 dOeS nOt HaVe uNlImItEd PaRkOuR StMiNa. i HaTe Dl2"

[wide nymph]

What's next, are they gonna ask Techland to remove weapon durability? Make every weapon deal a million damage?

[modern pulsar]

Fuck weapon durability all my homies hate it

[elder anchor]

devs are just too open to feedback atp

[modern pulsar]

Jump plus e 🐦

[slim pine]

the imunity timer was increased already but watch out for more changes that way,

[rocky night]

I will honestly uninstall if weapons get durability removed

[slim pine]

im not touching the game while the stamina is like this

[modern pulsar]

This is actively trying to make the game accessible for everybody but in turn it will be made for no one

[wide nymph]

Man

[rocky night]

cause it ruins the fun of chucking a weapon at 1 durability and watching it smash apart on someone's face

[slim pine]

i havent seen RECENT complaints about it but you never know...

[elder anchor]

I think it's best to just switch to a newer, different weapon once a weapon breaks, since we get to experience newer shit every once in a while

[wide nymph]

Then they should add a "Baby Mode" if this game is too hard for these people

[elder anchor]

Weapon repairs were needed in DL1 since the weapons broke way more often there
in DL2, they don't break that quickly

[wide nymph]

This. Removing durability will make the game boring

[modern pulsar]

If you can enroll into primary school you can beat dl2

[rocky night]

huh, this villedor touchdown set really has it out for buffing dropkicks

[slim pine]

screw that, if you can graduate kindergarten you can beat dl2

[elder anchor]

I find people all the time asking for weapon or gear drops in discord servers
and these are the same people Techland is taking feedback from, hence the game is the way it is

I bet Techland is gonna do it again

[modern pulsar]

Remove combat stamina tl

I can't manage my stamina, waiting for that 3 seconds is just too hard

[wide nymph]

Remove stamina entirely

[rocky night]

I honestly would only ask for some resources like fraggin batteries cause I eat through them making every weapon shock

[modern pulsar]

I mean this was such a pointless change their code was already so fucked up you gained stamina mid air

[slim pine]

bro just add a win button, that beats the game if you press it 3 times

[elder anchor]

add noclip atp, parkour must be too difficult as well

[slim pine]

actually let me activate beast mode any time i want and it works exactly like it did in the scripted set pieces where you had unlimited health

[rocky night]

Okay imma be honest

[wide nymph]

They really need to add these things as toggles if they insist on adding them to the game, at the very least

[rocky night]

THIS DROPKICK BOOST IS HILARIOUS, i just sent a volatile off to castor woods

[modern pulsar]

Or just don't take out a core part of the game

[elder anchor]

that reminds me, there was this mod made by Bub, you must redeem this inhaler everytime from the stash, but it let you activate the beast mode at anytime using that, just no unlimited health

[modern pulsar]

They removed half of the scaling from the game

[elder anchor]

also, your immunity is at zero when the timer ends, you so need to be in UV or in the Sun if you don't wanna die

[wide nymph]

That's why I said "at the very least"

[modern pulsar]

Yeah but techland cannot code that much

Can you imagine the mental strain of an if statement, formidable foe

[wide nymph]

Truly an endgame boss

[sterile jacinth]

So if they’re bringing back infinite stamina does that mean you can just activate any (non-grappling hook) windmill from the start?

[modern pulsar]

Yeah

[eager wadi]

Basically

[sterile jacinth]

This change is stupid

[frigid perch]

no one can convince me the infinite stamina is good

[upbeat jungle]

all of the parkour puzzles were literally built around the system

[gleaming crystal]

I liked stamina costs... so yall changed the game that I purchased and enjoyed?? Wtf.

[upbeat jungle]

bcus the casual playerbase hated it, watch any non dl players review of the game and 90% of them complain abt climbing stamina

so stupid

[gleaming crystal]

Now yall have to make it an option because I want stamina cost during parkour.

[upbeat jungle]

idk why they didn’t do that, they e made every other major change an option

[gleaming crystal]

Literally. What is the point of the inhibitor system now? So stupid.

[upbeat jungle]

also like - start of the game u can just get every single windmill now

[frigid perch]

i hope they make it a toggle

i really hope they make it a toggle

[upbeat jungle]

yeah it makes early game free now

[frigid perch]

it is

[gleaming crystal]

How are they gonna make such a fundamental change after 3 years. This is why I HATE community feedback; the most "popular" ideas are added because they think popular equates to good.

[upbeat jungle]

i mean even before you could do every windmill at the start of the game, including the ones in central loop if u glitched into it but now it’s just free

[frigid perch]

how are they just popping up and destroying half of the game

this dosen't make me want to buy dltb at all

[gleaming crystal]

I wasn't going to buy the beast anyways.

Best advice anyone can give

[frigid perch]

i'm gonna be completley honest

for the past 4 days i've been playing nothing but dying light 2, and i've been loving it

and now i literally can't play it

it's unplayable for me

[manic pollen]

Why is it unplayable

[frigid perch]

you don't lose stamina now when climbing

[eager isle]

they removed stamina for parkour moves

[upbeat jungle]

paraglider stamina consumption also is like non existent now

[eager isle]

what about on nightmare

[frigid perch]

movement is now free

[upbeat jungle]

i don’t get it, why not make this an option? or maybe make it only for the easier difficulties? like atleast keep nightmare mode normal

[frigid perch]

that's what i've been trying to understand for the past hour

[eager isle]

bruh nightmare is gonna be easy asf now

[manic pollen]

So it's like DL1 now then.

[crude hearth]

Hey there where can I submit suggestions for the next update or something like that

[gleaming crystal]

Surely the devs are "listening" to our complaints, surely.

[eager isle]

I just finished a nightmare playthrough

[upbeat jungle]

yeah

[eager isle]

The stamina consumption at night was brutal but it made the game more fun and intense during chases

[frigid perch]

i've been playing for the past 4 days nonstop dying light 2, you literally now can just throw knives and be invincible

[upbeat jungle]

the stamina in dl2 is what made the parkour so in depth and what separated it from the first game now it’s just brainless

[frigid perch]

they oneshot people and zombies
on hard!

[eager isle]

you can just fly like the green goblin away from volatile tyrants now during a level 5 chase with no drawback lol

[gleaming crystal]

"Casuals"—whatever that means—ruins the experience in every game; I will never understand why Devs cater to them.

[frigid perch]

more buying power

[eager isle]

was easy mode too hard

[upbeat jungle]

chat. you regain full stamina everytime you open your paraglider, if you kick out of it and open it over and over you can literally have infinite paraglider stamina LOL

[eager isle]

Ign reviewer level of skill fr

[gleaming crystal]

Yes: let's cater to a playerbasr thay wont play our game as long.

[manic pollen]

I'll be honest parkour stamina was only relevant for the first half of a DL2 playthrough if that. It quickly became irrelevant after a few inhibitors and the way they handled climbing stamina just felt so gimmicky

[eager isle]

[frigid perch]

The worst thing is this is probably true.

[blissful ridge]

Slide jumping is all i need,i mostly use it more than running

[eager isle]

they should at least add a toggle for stamina drain for people who want to keep it

[manic pollen]

That's true they could do that

[inner basin]

Ikr, the devs from Kcd also casualized combat in the second game

[gleaming crystal]

They have to add a toggle.

[upbeat jungle]

this is insane it even works at night, the nightmare nerf to paraglider is non existent now. on top of it lasting about 2 minutes now you can also just close it and reopen it to regain full stamina lol

[frigid perch]

i don't understand why they didn't in the first place

[manic pollen]

DL2 is so washed

[frigid perch]

the game just became super easy

[eager isle]

Stamina boosters are useless now

[upbeat jungle]

ok you don’t regain full stamina it’s about a third but you can still just spam this to fully regain it in abt 3 seconds

out of combat stamina? no biggie - just jump into the air and spam ur paraglider to regen it instantly

[gleaming crystal]

Firing that dude over some BS, to adding firearms, to removing stamina for parkour. If they wanted Dying Light 1, they should've just remastered it.

[blissful ridge]

More zombies mod is hell

[manic pollen]

I preferred how they handled stamina in DL1. It was simple, you gradually upgrade your sprint stamina and climbing speed until you get unlimited sprint which was rewarding as hell

[eager isle]

Dying light 2 stay in the air

[short swan]

Removing stamina is just about the dumbest fucking thing they’ve done since firing avellone

[frigid perch]

true

[blissful ridge]

They removed stamina?

[frigid perch]

yes
for climbing

[short swan]

WHOS IDEA WAS THIS?

[upbeat jungle]

parkour doesn’t cost stamina anymore

[blissful ridge]

Nice,

[short swan]

WHO ASKED FOR THIS?

[upbeat jungle]

nah it’s parkour in general, minus dart and dash

[eager isle]

ign reviewers

[blissful ridge]

Time to play dl2 again

2k hrs here I come

[frigid perch]

WHAT'S FUNNIEST IS THAT I'VE JUST CLIMBED A DROP AND THE MISSION INFO SAYS I HAVE TOO LOW OF A STAMINA LEVEL TO GET IT

[blissful ridge]

LMFAO

[upbeat jungle]

OH MY GOD THE GRAPPLING HOOK IS THE SAME. If you spam pull everytime you do it you regen full stamina LOOOOOL

[blissful ridge]

He got betrayed

[eager isle]

the stamina limit recommendation for challenges flying out the window

[frigid perch]

from a 50 stories high skyscraper

[short swan]

Techland is killing dl2 so that the beast sales improve
Im dying

[upbeat jungle]

this is so stupid

[blissful ridge]

That looks fun,how you do it

[gleaming crystal]

That is braindead lol

[eager isle]

chases at night on nightmare are a joke now

[bleak wind]

Common Emi you don't know about that?

[gleaming crystal]

Remember when they said something about more realistic parkour or something?

[upbeat jungle]

boost up, kick then hold jump

[inner basin]

Im happy that I only bought the first game

[upbeat jungle]

it’s so funny bcus ppl on twitter are loving this change

[blissful ridge]

Thanks

[frigid perch]

show

[blissful ridge]

I tried doing it but i would be ground pounding in the air 😂😂🫠

[gleaming crystal]

Does this mean that the tactical mode changes are redundant now?

[upbeat jungle]

just press the attack button

[frigid perch]

jesus fucking christ..

[gleaming crystal]

Idiots, savages, idiots

[upbeat jungle]

actually ok for some reason your stamina regens at light speed when ur in the air

that’s why u can infinitely grapple pull and paraglide

[onyx flume]

Seems pathetic casual player treatment in twitter 💀

[frigid perch]

SOME GUY SAID ON REDDIT THAT THE PATCH NOTES SAY THAT STAMINA IS STILL PRESENT IN THE HOSPITAL ELEVATOR SCENE, BUT NOT IN THE WHOLE GAME

[bold mulch]

how do i get the globy Elephant

[frigid perch]

WHAT THE FUCK

[upbeat jungle]

btw

[frigid perch]

They did change the story, according to patch notes they made it so that Aiden only gets his full stamina strength back when he takes his first inhibitor at the end of the hospital section

i'm done

[upbeat jungle]

i’ve made a support ticket abt this because this is ridiculous

[frigid perch]

aiden just
drinks a monster mid air i guess

[upbeat jungle]

here’s it with the grappling hook

[blissful ridge]

Ima try it again

[gleaming crystal]

I made a support ticket about this update. Let's see if the Devs listen to my feedback.

[frigid perch]

i really hope they revert this change/make it a toggle, this is really not the direction dying light should be taking, when they're closing in onto their new game

[upbeat jungle]

if this is how stamina works in the beast i’m worried

[frigid perch]

it is

[blissful ridge]

Old villador or central loop

👀

I'd rather be in central loop

[upbeat jungle]

new prologue opening dialogue

[frigid perch]

central loop

[slim pine]

so ittechnically also reverts the nerf they did with the hook (still not spiderman i know)

[frigid perch]

what

[upbeat jungle]

if they got him back to voice act this he’s definitely in the beast lol

[frigid perch]

yeah just completey simplify the lore, simplify the game

just make it into a game-movie

[gleaming crystal]

Lol are they serious?

[frigid perch]

villedor: become human

[upbeat jungle]

i mean it basically summarizes what happens in the intro of the game it’s nice imo

[gleaming crystal]

Did a 5 year old right that?

[frigid perch]

@upbeat jungle there are mods, right?

[gleaming crystal]

"My name is Aiden. Im a pilgrim. I deliver packages. I was sent to Villedor"

[upbeat jungle]

wdym

[frigid perch]

there will be a mod that reverts this change, right?

[upbeat jungle]

probably

they’ll probably add an option to revert it, i wouldn’t worry

[frigid perch]

i really hope so because i've been loving this game since i've bought it

[upbeat jungle]

i reckon they’ll add it to tactical stamina

[frigid perch]

idk how i'll feel about that

[gleaming crystal]

Does stamina drain during parkour on Nightmare with Tactical mode on?

[upbeat jungle]

no

[frigid perch]

dl2 should be it's own game

[gleaming crystal]

LOL so what was the point of adding Nightmare and Tactical?

[stoic linden]

you think any publisher understand balance looooool

[frigid perch]

techland fucked up

[stoic linden]

we lost that somwear during 2009

[gleaming crystal]

Well what I actually think will get me banned so

[frigid perch]

why

[gleaming crystal]

Because some words are "offensive"

[trim vessel]

Just throwing my 2 cents in incase anyone from Techland sees this, but these menu changes are gross. If we want to launch Dying Light 1, we'll launch DL1, if we want to play DL2, it's nice to feel like that game is flushed out and shouldn't need to launch either of the other games. We have been launching games long enough to know how 🙂 we don't need help. Just one person's UX opinion.

[frigid perch]

yeah, valid

[stoic linden]

hun am greek one of my english trasnlated words is offensive probably more

"Hermaprodites" the greek word for intrersex became offensive at somepoint and fully lost respect for the groop who did it XD

next up there gonna remove alpha and omega or something

[tired wind]

Grass.

[stoic linden]

Was about to say something about the printscren button but then i saw ps5 nice immage of grass! XD

[gleaming crystal]

Lol

[latent mortar]

Hole shit I forgot about gres mascot

[stoic linden]

🤮

[tired wind]

Kinda hoping it’d be gear pieces

And the outfit as well, all I want is the hoodie

[stoic linden]

eh idk i think we need more masks like the Ronin type mask

i like having most my face uncoveerd

[brittle root]

Also got 2 free packs, quarterback and one sword

And does anyone had tips 4 save 50 survivors during random encounters ?

[latent mortar]

His explosive plushie immediately reminded me of the bear that got pissed off over its nose being touched

[brittle root]

And a blueprint

[latent mortar]

Seeet

I don’t remember the mascot having clothing

How much is the bundle I wish it shows it in the images

[upbeat jungle]

700 coins

or points whatever they’re called

[frigid perch]

so when dying light 4?

[stoic linden]

yes run around duering the day blue markers mostly

[upbeat jungle]

“Nightmare Mode increased paraglider stamina consumption at night to discourage players from using it to get away from chases easily”

[sharp sky]

why is everyone angry at infinite stamina? its not like it even exists after 3-5 upgrades to stamina

[tired wind]

I have no idea

It also confuses me on why tho

They could’ve done it a long time
Ago

[sharp sky]

true its a little random but i dont mind it at all. it literally doesnt change my gameplay at all

[eager wadi]

Because it ruins the whole lore behind the game and just overall is removing what made DL2 unique?

What's the point on collecting inhibitors for only combat?

[weary zenith]

Lmaoo

[sharp sky]

i dont consider parkour stamina the unique point for dl2, rather the fun parkour

you can trigger stamina regen when you do slide jump or dash so you already had infinite stamina

[eager wadi]

I kindly disabled those

Still, removes the whole lore building of the inhibitor stuff

Makes the whole scaling of the game useless

[frigid perch]

Yeah. They introduce it to you and spend 30 minutes teaching you that you need to put inhibitors into stamina to climb. And then completely ignore it and let you climb everything. Makes absolutely no sense.

[sharp sky]

idk i dont see it that way

[frigid perch]

techland for fucks sake

are you fucking kidding me

remember when you are in the hospital with hakon?
in the lift?

that's the only place your stamina will drain during parkour

[eager wadi]

Literally prologue dawg

Saint Joseph hospital, you cannot climb up the elevator, neither when you get out of the workshop and run behind Hakon, and fall when trying to climb an ad billboard

[sharp sky]

for the prologue stuff yes, fair game

[eager wadi]

Well, that's the whole thing

[upbeat jungle]

because using the paraglider and grappling hook still was a challenge especially the paraglider at night time, you had to think abt what you were doing now it’s just infinite lol

[eager wadi]

They teach you for 30 something minutes

[sharp sky]

this will probably be patched

[upbeat jungle]

all i’m asking for it tactical stamina to have climbing stamina, makes the parkour puzzles redundant

[eager wadi]

I hope they revert it to easy difficulty only

Because it is unwanted

[upbeat jungle]

or atleast make climbing stamina a feature in nightmare mode

[eager wadi]

Exactly

[sharp sky]

they can also change it to only apply after certain upgrades to stamina

[stoic linden]

paraglider is not included in the patch still uses that

[frigid perch]

there's a lot of things they can do but some part of me says that they won't do shit

[stoic linden]

climbing seems to be the only thing that can't run out

[frigid perch]

and i hope i'm wrong

[stoic linden]

idk if grapple hook has a stamina cost or not

[upbeat jungle]

this isn’t normal, stamina now regens in mid air so u can use it infinitely

[eager wadi]

Which makes no sense for you to be climbing and not getting tired but running makes you tired

[upbeat jungle]

they both do but since stamina regens in mid air u can use them both infinitely

[upbeat jungle]

second clip i started by wasting all my stamina in combat, then i popped my paraglider

[frigid perch]

so guys how long till they fix it?

[upbeat jungle]

give it a week

[frigid perch]

too much

this just dosen't work

[stoic linden]

i dont mind it i will just not abuse it XD

[eager wadi]

No clue

[sharp sky]

i mean this doesnt have any application

[eager wadi]

It removes all difficulty honestly

[frigid perch]

that's why i think it shouldn't be in the game at all, skill or not

[sharp sky]

you cant pop a glider when fighting, or at the very least its impractical to do so. you can do the same thing 10x faster by slide jumping

[stoic linden]

the stamina regen seems agressivtly high on your clips thats my onw problem

[upbeat jungle]

you can abuse it in combat by simply climbing something tall then jumping off. you don’t have to be in a paraglide

[sharp sky]

you can do the same thing pre update by slide jumping

[stoic linden]

so wall run up to stamina neat XD

[sharp sky]

or doing the sprint ability for .1s

[weary zenith]

Well ngl at least the stamina change makes trs easier

[upbeat jungle]

paraglide kicking is more efficient because everytime you kick and jump you also gain major height, you can abuse this in game to reach literally max height

[frigid perch]

nah, it breaks the whole game

[upbeat jungle]

you can start on ground level and reach the top of vnc tower just by using ur paraglider now

[weary zenith]

Well no shit lol

[sharp sky]

paraglide kicking is good for gaining height, not for combat tho

[upbeat jungle]

they need to revert the change that makes it regen in mid air

[sharp sky]

and 99% it will be patched

[weary zenith]

Give it a week and it will be

[frigid perch]

i don't want to wait a week for a change revert that is so dumb in it's nature

[upbeat jungle]

it’s a feature they coded in and thought “yeah this is fine” even tho it makes stamina redundant even in combat

[weary zenith]

Then don't play problem solved

[frigid perch]

bruh

[weary zenith]

They won't revert it given any new updates that are in dltb transfer to dl2

[sharp sky]

pre update you already had infinite stamina, i literally traveled the whole map without stopping by spamming slide jump, this update does not change my gameplay at all

[weary zenith]

Exactly

[frigid perch]

then write a support ticket

[upbeat jungle]

slide jump is less effective though

[weary zenith]

It wasn't before

[upbeat jungle]

if you’re in chase you can just pop ur paraglider now even on nightmare and infinitely glide away

[sharp sky]

i did same thing with slide jump XD

[upbeat jungle]

also paraglide kicking is quicker as you can literally just fly over the entire map now having to adjust for buildings in your way etc

[sharp sky]

theres nothing in this game that can catch up to you if you do it, try it out yourself

i agree the glide stamina is a problem, but only for the infinite height thing

[weary zenith]

I'm ngl the stamina before and now is no different to me given how many ways you can infinitely restore it fast

Will say it's just late to incorporate the idea to remove most of it

[upbeat jungle]

the problem is that it was balanced before, doing the method especially at night time made it so your paraglider ran out way quicker and yes you got way more height and distance but you sacrificed stamina for it. now it’s brainless and you don’t have to think abt ur stamina whatsoever

[weary zenith]

Because for one now inhibitors basically serve no purpose unless it's for health

[upbeat jungle]

just bring back old stamina for nightmare and i lit won’t care whatsoever

[sharp sky]

thats not true, you get way more dps if you put points into stamina, even with the infinite stamina techniques you still have to waste time doing it

[upbeat jungle]

its inconsistent but you can also just active landing jump to regen btw

[weary zenith]

Barely any time waste

Landing jump solves that issue

So does a bunch of other tech

[upbeat jungle]

so just jump, active landing then double jump and boom max stamina in 1 second

if ur stamina is max you can also ELJ tech to make sure u regen fully

[sharp sky]

i promise you its still worth to put points in stamina xd, you will feel the diff in combat

it wont be as fluid, youll be putting max 2-3 hits per regen

especially if you do one handed

[dark obsidian]

What do we make of the new update? Waiting on it to install, just curious as to what the consensus is regarding it

[dull heath]

ICL I'm too used to putting points in stamina so I'd probably just keep doing it anyway

[modern pulsar]

Cod hq menu and removed a core mechanic

[narrow vapor]

This update ain't as bad as people think

[narrow vapor]

No cod hq menu if ur not on pc

[modern pulsar]

Cod hq menu is the dumbest shit to make

If I want to play dl1 I will start dl1

[narrow vapor]

It's not the end of the world it's just a feature

[dark obsidian]

I take it the core mechanic is the stamina management?

[modern pulsar]

Yeah parkour stamina was just yoinked

[narrow vapor]

It's to fit with dltb and dl1

[modern pulsar]

Couldn't prolly fix the mid air stamina regen so they just said fuck it, guys wrap up and remove stamina

[narrow vapor]

Techland ain't like that

[dark obsidian]

Okay, I'm alright with that, maybe if they patch it and include a toggle that would be sound, otherwise, I'll still get my 8 hours of sleep

[modern pulsar]

If you could see the spaghetti

[dull heath]

Id eat it

[narrow vapor]

It's not like I haven't been around since dl1 ik what the code is like for dl2 but again

[fallen heath]

How can i replay one day in harran without starting another ng+

[modern pulsar]

Go to a poster

At the carnage hall it should be that purple thingy

[fallen heath]

Now there is a problem

[narrow vapor]

And that is?

[fallen heath]

I dont see one day in harran poster

[half onyx]

1

[frigid perch]

i'd rather tune into a fix from today's update, not into dying light: the beast. @smoky field

[fallen heath]

Only rush and prince of theves

Oh anyways

Its behind me lmaoooo

[gleaming crystal]

Why isnt it?

[fallen heath]

Wth runner is there😭🙏

(Carnage hall, one day in harran)

[blissful ridge]

Isn't it against the rules to not ping any techland members?

[desert sonnet]

Hello

[blissful ridge]

Ello

[desert sonnet]

How are you?

question, is it worth buying dying light 2 packs?

which is the best?

[blissful ridge]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I enjoy the savage Samurai bundle

The killer clown outfit bundle

[desert sonnet]

I have all the packs that came out free or were free

[blissful ridge]

Nice

[hard tulip]

hello everynyan 🈷️

[desert sonnet]

Hello

[blissful ridge]

Hi

[rugged field]

Did stamina really need an update?

[frigid perch]

No

we only needed a jetpack.

fueled by hatred towards gre.

[desert sonnet]

I'm asking because I have the money to buy the 3600 pack, and I wanted to ask if the packs on sale are worth it.

[novel meadow]

So how do I re-enable stamina

[frigid perch]

you can't [for now]

[novel meadow]

:(

I REALLY liked how the environmental parkour puzzles worked.... managing stamina and choosing the right path

[frigid perch]

we all did

[novel meadow]

are windmills puzzles just obsolete now

[frigid perch]

yes

[novel meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

I hope IALR gets updated soon and still has parkour stamina,,,,,

[blissful ridge]

I use grapple hook to get on windmills

[novel meadow]

I'm still in Old Villedor taking my time with stuff

I don't want to rush through the game

[frigid perch]

techland i have nothing to do with my life other than to play dl2 pls fix it asap

[novel meadow]

especially considering I kinda speedran some things in my first playthrough

[waxen minnow]

answer. is stamina infinite now when running.

[frigid perch]

yes.

[waxen minnow]

good.

[dusk sigil]

Wonder if you can just grapple up the VNC Tower quicker than the lift now as stamina is infinite 😂

[frigid perch]

no. no good.

[waxen minnow]

yes good.

[frigid perch]

bad.

[sharp sky]

no

[novel meadow]

,,,,,,,,,,,,WAIT I FORGOT THAT THE HOOK USED STAMINA

CAN YOU JUST

FLY ANYWHERE NOW???

[frigid perch]

yes

[dusk sigil]

Yup

[sharp sky]

sprint and paraglider are the only skills that have stamina

[novel meadow]

wild

this update makes no sense lmao, and it's nothing related to the beast since that's a standalone game

[frigid perch]

yes

[dusk sigil]

I wonder who actually asked for the infinite stamina update?
Should make a poll and ask lol

[frigid perch]

casuals

[wise sandal]

Yeah, not a fan of the new system at all. Just submitted a ticket on their support site.

[frigid perch]

i hope they will revert it asap

this is so bad to play with honestly, destroys the whole flow of the game

[blissful ridge]

Im enjoying it

[frigid perch]

it's fun, sure, but it's not good gameplay wise

it's a forbidden fruit

[wise sandal]

I wouldn't mind if it was a toggle, or based on difficulty. But being imposed whether or not you find it an improvement is really bumming me out.

[frigid perch]

it should be a toggle and it should be turned off completely on hard/nightmare

[jagged pelican]

it woulda just been better to include a skill at the highest level to allow for infinite stamina imo, but i dont mind it. also nightmare shouldn't enable it

[verbal copper]

Could've just made the First Pilgrim gear free, it does the same thing

[frigid perch]

..or maybe it shouldn't even be in the game.

because i really don't see it in this game

this thing dosen't have a place in the game

[jagged pelican]

they shoulda just made aidens outfit the first pilgrim out fit ngl. it looks better than some rinky dinky ahhh clothes he has on now

[wise sandal]

They let us have the choice for stamina regen that was like the first game's with the nightmare mode update, I don't see why this new system couldn't be the same.

[frigid perch]

i bought the game, and launched my first playthrough a couple of days ago, and i started on hard, i wanted my ass handed to me, and i did get it, but i adapted to the game as any player does

[verbal copper]

Ya but stamina regen on the gear is insane, you can fly forever

[frigid perch]

i don't want the game being simplified just cause

[cedar ginkgo]

has lawans face model changed for anyone else

[jagged pelican]

I dont have the gear, just the outfit.

[verbal copper]

you can choose it in extras

[jagged pelican]

go to your stash > extras and you can take it off

[cedar ginkgo]

ah okay thanks

it looks uncanny

[jagged pelican]

I lowk fw it

[frigid perch]

i want to play dl2 SO BAD but i can't with the new stamina system

you guys don't understand i physically can't make myself even play the game

if to believe my discord profile, i've played dying light 2 6 days in a row

[verbal copper]

Ive played it everyday since release

almost

[cedar ginkgo]

it just makes it easier

[frigid perch]

i don't want it to be easier

i liked the challenge i got and i was loving the game

[wise sandal]

Yeah, that's kinda the problem those of us who aren't fans of the change have.

[modern pulsar]

ah yes

convert the new save, save not compatible

serialization 101

[frigid perch]

no fucking way

[jagged pelican]

I've played dl2 since release, so managing stamina has always led to me using little to no stamina at all, so this update isnt that much of a bad thing to me, but for newer players its gonna be too easy fs

[frigid perch]

yeah i just bought the game with 18h only having it

but i really like the game

[jagged pelican]

im glad you like it. but probably not as much anymore due to this new update lol

[frigid perch]

i'm willing to endure through it

like there's no way they won't revert it

[jagged pelican]

got bad news.

[frigid perch]

nah

[jagged pelican]

nah jk they probably will

depends on the feedback

[frigid perch]

how can i show my negative feedback?

[jagged pelican]

officially idk, but just voicing your issues on here and on reddit especially helps a lot.

[frigid perch]

i did it

should i just ping the community manager and tell him that update bad?

[jagged pelican]

then you'll just have to wait and see, cuz people here will probably like it

[wise sandal]

You can submit a ticket on their support website, there's an option to send a request.

[willow skiff]

if i didn't play dying light 2 i will get 1500 points (0 hours in steam)?

[jagged pelican]

no

I mean idk, but probably not.

[willow skiff]

[viscid island]

isnt the new stamina what everyone was crying about since the release? No stamina cost for climbing? Or did i get it wrong

[jagged pelican]

yeah some

[viscid island]

So yeah I kinda dont like it as well as stamina for climbing added game difficulty and depth

[jagged pelican]

I dont mind i for my main save, but other saves it do cuz climbing DOES realistically takes stamina

[jagged pelican]

thats fair

[viscid island]

But everywhere I checked and saw people always lament that oh no aiden is weak stamina for climbing

[jagged pelican]

lmao yeah I remember that

[viscid island]

Since I played the game both at release and then again last month the overall difficulty increased but I think climbing stamina cost if anything should be a toggle like parkour style

[wise sandal]

The people who liked the old stamina system were playing the game rather than talking about the stamina system.

[jagged pelican]

true

[viscid island]

But techland listens to community and trust me it was very audible about crying with the stamina

It is kinda odd if you need stamina to swing a machete but not for climbing up a wall anyway xD

[lament zodiac]

Who has the @Aiden role

[jagged pelican]

the voice actor i believe

[lament zodiac]

😱

[frigid perch]

wait really?

if so, damn

[jagged pelican]

I want the aiden role

[hollow bay]

they only listen to the loud voices

[frigid perch]

i'm bout to be very loud if i have to

[hollow bay]

REMOVE GUNS

[frigid perch]

GIVE US BACK THE OLD STAMINA

[viscid island]

Yeah it kinda works like that like, you can't blame them for that

[jagged pelican]

GIVE US DIY GUNS

[hollow bay]

BOOMSTICK

[jagged pelican]

A NAILGUN

[viscid island]

Give us less cringy outfits... what no one?

[jagged pelican]

I agree

give us a gear system that isnt color reskins of each other

actual diverse and stylish gear would be cool

that actually fit the modern dark ages too

[viscid island]

get rid of class system that didnt really lift off

[jagged pelican]

cuz yknow its supposed to be the dark ages

[frigid perch]

GIVE US DYING LIGHT 4: LONDON

ONLY WEAPONS: KNIFE

[jagged pelican]

that would just be current london

[viscid island]

you sure its not a bmx convention? I always got the impression from the armor for aiden

[dusk sigil]

Exactly! I remember Techland originally said if they ever did add range weapons or fire arms, it would fit the theme of Dying Light 2...
Now we have shotguns based of norse mythology, submachine guns that shoot toxic and a assault rifle from ancient egypt

[jagged pelican]

lmao for real

[dusk sigil]

Skins just as bad lol

[jagged pelican]

you cant make this shit up bruh

[viscid island]

But it was all the big youtube people and their sheople that were so vocal we cant blame techland for listening to its community

[jagged pelican]

make DIY weapons actually scale with level so it won't be useless

[dusk sigil]

Turning into Fortnite

[jagged pelican]

E3 DEFINITIVE MOD SAVE US

[viscid island]

Im glad that none of the new trailers include like NEON NIGHT SKINS LED WEAPONS otherwise there would be great fortnite influx

[dusk sigil]

When it works again Mod support for PS5 still down

[jagged pelican]

im sad man

[viscid island]

But wait what if there is no climb stamina that means you can unlock all windmills lvl 1?

[frigid perch]

YES

[jagged pelican]

ig so

god so fucking stupid now that you mention it

[frigid perch]

stupid? let me show you something stupid

[jagged pelican]

it contradicts the whole level area they were going with

[frigid perch]

https://www.reddit.com/r/dyinglight/comments/1muj4mi/the_game_says_i_shouldnt_be_able_to_get_this_drop/

the game says i shouldn't be able to get a drop in central loop, but i got it due to the new stamina system.

[jagged pelican]

yeah nvm this update sucks ass

just make it a difficulty or skill thing man

or just make it an option that goes with assist mode

or just get rid of it

better idea ^

[frigid perch]

either toggle, or completely get rid of it

i really hope they do something about this

[dusk sigil]

Techland be like...

[tired wind]

Best update.

[desert sonnet]

What packs should I buy in Dying Light 2?

[still grove]

Worst update to the game ever 🙄

[frigid perch]

true

[lean igloo]

Anyone else unable to use visual mods?

[modern pulsar]

THEY DIDN'T FIX IT LOL

[latent mortar]

Did they made the howlers a bit more taller in this update?

[jagged pelican]

no

[latent mortar]

Weird I ran into one that was taller than me

[modern pulsar]

bub fix 2k25

[uneven sedge]

What we thinking about overhauled stamina

[lean igloo]

I’m fine with it because I always play a max level save, but imo it ruins early game

[uneven sedge]

I liked the challenge of losing your grip and whatnot

[jagged pelican]

ye

[lean igloo]

Yeah, I remember playing for the first time and panicking a bit when i realized I wasn’t making a climb. Sucks new players won’t experience that

[idle gate]

seeing zombies just fent folding in the dark is taking me out bro 😭

[wise sandal]

Genuinely hoping it's either rolled back or made into a toggle

[lean igloo]

I hope it isn’t toggled but instead a perk for maxing out stamina like it was in the first game

[frigid perch]

what does this do and how do i install it

[modern pulsar]

just drag and drop it into ph/source

it makes stamina work like before

[frigid perch]

is there a way to delete it afterwards?

in case they fix it

[modern pulsar]

just delete the datax.pak when they fixed it

[frigid perch]

okay, thanks!

[fair vigil]

Playing Horizon Forbidden West made me sad for Dying Light 2. So far, it looks to be a fantastic and faithful sequel to a really good first game. It made me think of Dying Light 2 and what it could've been, but it's not very good to think about that a lot. We have DL:TB on the way and that's good enough for me, I hope.

[icy pivot]

guys i found a goats opposite observatory, its normal?

[pliant vortex]

guys i need a military tech

[hexed swift]

What happened to the free 500 points

[late widget]

Better with a toggle, so those of us who don't want it can disable it

[bleak wind]

need to buy 1000 dl points for 10eur you get +500 dl points for free

[hexed swift]

Ohhh

[soft stirrup]

is the lil globby worth it?????????

[tacit slate]

considering stamina bar was one of the hugest complaints about the game for people I agree with its essentially removal

[jagged pelican]

people that complained were people that were mad that it was more in-depth than dl1.

[tacit slate]

people complained bc the game wasn't as good as 1

[desert sentinel]

People complain about anything man

[tacit slate]

dont act like I gave a controversial opinion man, thats pretty common

[versed fern]

can anyone give me the orange booster?

[jagged pelican]

wasn't great, but it was doing something different, they just had to build upon it and not make it like dl1 just because people complained that it wasn't similar

[versed fern]

or is there a way i can get it right now?

[tacit slate]

when someone buys a sequel they expect it to be similar to the previous game in the series and improve upon it
2 did not do this in many many areas

[jagged pelican]

im not saying it shouldn't have some similarities, but it still tried to give new and creative ideas. obviously when it comes to the base foundation of the franchise, it has to have some similarities.

[versed fern]

no?

[jagged pelican]

an orange booster? you gotta be more specific

[versed fern]

the one in the halloween event makes u go flying when u jump

i really don't recall the name

[jagged pelican]

idk that was probably a Halloween exclusive

so you probably cant get it now

[low hornet]

@jagged pelican
Think he means the Bruja Booster from the vampire event. Don't know the English name. I have a lot of them, but I'm on Playstation, sorry dude

[dusk sigil]

Nah I completely disagree with you on that one mate...
Making the game more simple and brain dead isn't a good thing. This update has fundamentally changed the game for the worst... stamina puzzle section like the windmills and climbing for military drops are pointless and ruined.
The basic traversal and combat have been ruined aswell...
Inhibitors have become pointless in a sense...
The rewarding feeling you get by managing your stamina as you parkour your way through the city is now gone...
Such an awful update...
All that made DL2 unique is now gone, basically DL1 2.0...

[low hornet]

Sorry, their is another one, my bad translations says sweets ore sours, that has the same effect but you see crazy colors if you are using. Don't know how to get, but I have thousands of ir

[tacit slate]

k
its almost like dl1 2.0 was what people wanted in the first place
also stamina bar was indeed one of the main complaints

[bleak wind]

you can have these/tower raid sola../similar thing

[sullen escarp]

Free

[dusk sigil]

The vast majority of the player base I have spoken too didn't want this and are so confused by the recent update...
I mean if you want to play DL1, then boot it up, stop turning DL2 into DL1... 😂
The entire parkour system in DL2 was designed around the old stamina system, as I said the new update fundamentally breaks the game...
It really wasn't that difficult to manage your stamina, it was a immersive part of the game now gone...
What I really don't get is why Techland didn't add in a option to revert the stamina system to the way it was before, such a dumb idea that makes the game easier for the casual player.

[tacit slate]

bc casual players are where the money is at

[versed fern]

alr ty

[tacit slate]

the beast is more like 1 for a reason

the more roadblocks you have to casual enjoyers playing your game the less money you are likely to make

[sullen escarp]

i forgot to check if when i using the weapon wheel the player stop all momentum

[dusk sigil]

I have over 1000 hours in DL2, bought every bundle and supported and stayed with the game since launch.
The game is has been completely ruined for me personally... what made it unique from the first game is now gone so there is no need to have two versions of DL1 installed on my console... Sure I expect similarities between both games, what I don't expect is a blatant copy and paste lol. Not just me feels this way, got a few friends who play this game feel exactly the same way...
So until Techland adds in a option to revert the stamina system to the way it was before, TL has lost a loyal player and customer in DL2 in favour of supporting the casual players who will play the game for a few days if not weeks and then move on

[tacit slate]

k

[rugged field]

I genuinely can't believe they added that stamina change

Not a single soul asked for that

[stoic linden]

this stays after you do the ending right

[errant vault]

did they change the gore and blood and damage to zombies?? i feel like its got some of the beast brutality in it

[pure sage]

At least make it a toggleable setting

[stoic linden]

the balance is not that bad xD

thankfully in most cases you gotta be tuching the floor to regen stamina

the paraglider regen bullshit is an unitened sideeffect

[cunning nova]

I haven’t played since I maxed out a while back. What was the change to stamina? Or where can I read the update

[stoic linden]

normal parkoor drains no stamina its not as desasterus as it sounds

[pure sage]

All parkour stamina has been removed aside from sprinting, the grapple hook and the paraglider

[stoic linden]

yeah XD^

wall climb still drains a tiny ammount too

[cunning nova]

Oh normal parkour… who cares lol yall made it sound like the game was RUINED

[wise sandal]

Genuinely such a boneheaded change

[jagged pelican]

it isnt, but it still takes away from the in-depth parkour experience that the game was trying to sell us. you can literally unlock a level 300 stamina windmill at level 1 now

[cunning nova]

Yeah that I agree with is broken and dumb af

But I don’t see anyone using enough reg parkour b2b2b to even run out or into trouble with stamina anyway

[pure sage]

It mainly effects early game
I genuinely enjoyed early game having limited stamina and having to think about where and what I can climb, especially in a chase
Added a layer of genuine complexity that is just outright gone now

[jagged pelican]

well thats the thing, the more you progress aidens character, the less of a challenge it becomes, thats the main thing about it. but when you take away that sense of complexity and need to level up your stamina, thats when it becomes a problem

you're supposed to feel weak on purpose, and you need to manage your stamina carefully early on

[wise sandal]

Pretty sure half of the perks on the first pilgrim armor set are just straight up useless now, with the new stamina mechanics.

[pure sage]

Exactly the satisfaction of having things that are harder/impossible to climb early on be climbable later is just gone now

That helped selll the power fantasy and growth which is the whole point of having any kind of level system and progression anyway

[wise sandal]

I still wouldn't like the change, but I'd care a whole lot less if it was a toggle like the Physical/Assisted parkour physics or the Casual/Tactical stamina regen

[brittle root]

Guys I need 2 more achievements be4 platinum, (run 940 km and save 50 survivors), do I need to do them on a single save, or can I start a new save and it will « stack » with the stats I already have ?

[brittle root]

Bc I just started a nightmare game recently

[pure sage]

A toggle would be ideal and I hope they add it in future

Its also laughable that the phrasing for this update was "improved stamina system"

Its not an improvement, they just outright removed it

If there was a replacement or actual work done to the system then it'd be an improvement

Just ripping it out isn't an improvement

[foggy folio]

I’m gonna be completely honest, when I saw the changes they announced to the stamina system, I was a bit disappointed, cause as someone whose played DL2 since launch, one of the biggest parts is the stamina system, and after playing the game a bit, starting a new save, it’s not as jarring as I anticipated it to be. It just felt natural, I wish it was a toggle for it, but it could’ve been worse

[dusty quartz]

can you not play in high frame rate mode on ps5 anymore after the update

[stoic linden]

the drop kick with the paraglider dose not work on my machine

[hollow bay]

Idk why they'd release this update now, they should've done it when the game first came out

[foggy folio]

the is one part I dont like

I started a new save (on nightmare) and for some reason, the “Whodoo You Voodoo” interaction was gone, the record player with the record was there, but it no longer had an interact prompt

the easter egg is still there, but Aiden no longer says anything about it

[dusty quartz]

i swear it’s not working anymore

[foggy folio]

they also removed having to manually tune into the informant’s frequency

[jagged pelican]

they also removed dialog from the final boss fight, like wtf it showed more of how aidens character somewhat developed

[dusty quartz]

nvm i fixed it

[foggy folio]

which lines did they remove?

[jagged pelican]

Spoilers:
||they basically removed the line from the beginning of the third phase of waltz boss fight where waltz talks about how the world destroyed his research for finding a cure, and why it deserves to be destroyed as well. but aiden talks about how its not true because he met good people in villedor||

[foggy folio]

thats odd

[jagged pelican]

its dumb

techland be like: yeah this is good, remove it

[stoic linden]

theres alot more cheepr deaths in game

[sullen escarp]

all carry over

[edgy schooner]

how many times are they gonna update the prologue jesus christ

[sullen escarp]

they change the prologue?

[faint sleet]

holy based, im so tired of everyone just crying and complaining. Same as the grapling hook in the first game and people claiming that its better. It literally make parkour obsolete and just teleports you around the map, the one in the second game requiers some skill to use and its so fun to swing on it.

[jagged pelican]

just for the new stamina update i think

or maybe not idk

[modern pulsar]

the new stamina kicks in after the markers of the plague quest

[faint sleet]

the same problem is with guns, the didnt really need guns beacuse the melee combat is so good, but of course the community cried so much techland caved in, while the implemation and the look of the guns is amaying im still of the opinion that the game didnt need them

[dusk sigil]

The fact you had to scroll back through two hours of conversations tells me you aren't that tired lol, just looking for drama or whatever 😂

[jagged pelican]

yeah

[faint sleet]

i literally opened the chat and saw your message

[brittle root]

Noice

[faint sleet]

also saying 2 hours ago doesnt mean anything since this chat isnt that active

[tacit slate]

combat options were removed
adequate replacements were not added at launch
they should've been back in
if i wanted skill based stuff id go back to elden ring
but sometimes I and many others just want dumb fun

[faint sleet]

its mindless fun

like junk food you eat it and forget about it

[faint sleet]

you have fucking crossbows, bows and throwables

to be fair crossbows and bows are kinda weak

but still

[tacit slate]

inadequate and in the first game
if a sequel removes aspects that were in the first without good additions
that is a downgrade
objectively less combat options

[faint sleet]

also they added blocking,vault kick

[tacit slate]

not. enough.

[faint sleet]

well guns are boring

[tacit slate]

they also removed many options

[wise sandal]

The guns as they stand all operate as reskinned crossbows, they just have fancy animations.

[faint sleet]

they arent fun in the first game

[wise sandal]

Their handling feels identical

[tacit slate]

well the majority disagreed with you so theyre back and they clearly learned or they wouldn't be in the beast

[wise sandal]

agreed

[tacit slate]

you dont want em then dont use em

[faint sleet]

that is the worst response you can give to criticizem

[pliant wadi]

btw when will dying light the beast come on to pc

[faint sleet]

cause youre ignoring the issue

[tacit slate]

nothing forces u to use them
they are added in a way that is optional
if the majority didn't have issues with it they wouldnt be back

[faint sleet]

the game wasnt designed around guns

[jagged pelican]

when it comes out...

[pliant wadi]

oh really?

[pliant wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/ave-maria-boling-bros-bolingbros-curbstomp-chikawaga-gif-16650089841190860123

[tacit slate]

I dont care
and neither did most people
its a zombie game
we want guns
that's it

[faint sleet]

did the majority also hated the stamina system?

[tacit slate]

it was one of the major complaints since launch

also note its removal in the beast

[wise sandal]

I'm honestly more miffed with how they were implemented than the fact they were returned.
I mean, the quest to get them feels like it should add npcs with guns afterwards, be they friendly or hostile. But the fact that you're the only one who gets them feels dull af.

[jagged pelican]

its not about being forced to use it, its about how they go back on their word to in order to make the angry mob of people who always complain no matter what happy

[faint sleet]

it made parkour so much better imož

[jagged pelican]

wrong reply but yknow

[faint sleet]

that would suck ass

[faint sleet]

exactly

[wise sandal]

considering how firearm enemies were in the first game I don't fully disagree.

[faint sleet]

that is perfect description of dl community

[faint sleet]

they were the most annoying enemy to fight

beacuse of the way the guns worked

[tacit slate]

because the angry mob are consumers who won't reccomend a downgrade from the first game to their friends
dl1 has a consistent higher player count for a reasons
you're a company, you wanna make money?
this is what you do
satisfy as many people as possible

[jagged pelican]

but it at least fit the world

[wise sandal]

I just think it's stupid how guns painted in the quest as a big deal, then you finish the quest and suddenly nobody gives a shit.

[faint sleet]

does from software satisfy all the casuals

[faint sleet]

true

[wise sandal]

Then the best call would've been to add a toggle between the stamina systems, so both the people who preferred DL1's stamina system and DL2's stamina system are both happy

[tacit slate]

no it doesn't
but their reputation and craft is huge enough and popular enough to deal with that
dying light is not remotely close to the level of from soft

[jagged pelican]

there's plenty of other reasons why dl2 was considered a downgrade. the problem is that they focus on making changes that dont need to be in the game in order to please a crowd. that determines the quality of the game, not the player count.

[tacit slate]

every time a new fromsoft game comes out the biggest "influencers" alone make series about it
free promotion
dying light doesn't get that treatment

if it was as popular then it could

[jagged pelican]

thats not the point

[faint sleet]

once you change something what is stopping you from changing everything, if techland listens to all the criticizem the nthe game is catored to the 5% of the playerbase while the other has to deal with changes they dont want

[jagged pelican]

popularity doesnt always mean the game is good or bad

thats been proven time and time again

[faint sleet]

its about integrety

sticking to your guns

feedback is valuable

[tacit slate]

explain that to a business who wants to make as much money as possible
you aren't dealing with artists
youre dealing with companies

[faint sleet]

but too much of it and youre just making a mess

[tacit slate]

if you become big enough LIKE fromsoft then you can stick to your guns

[faint sleet]

adding guns to game that wont make a lot of money is kind of a waste

the time spend developing these updates are more costly than profitable

[faint sleet]

that is objectively wrong

[tacit slate]

dunno what to tell you
its what most people wanted
hell techland even flat out admitted that dying light 2 didn't do as good as they wanted

[jagged pelican]

obviously most decisions are done by executives for business, that not good logic. shitty AAA games make bad decisions for money all the time, why do you think people always shit on those kinds of games

[faint sleet]

if ou change your visions in pursuit of profit the what is the point of making art aka video games

[tacit slate]

fucking
living
putting food on the table with something youre good at

[jagged pelican]

but with games like dying light, there is actually quality that is appealing to many people

[faint sleet]

the development hell really took a tool on this game

[tacit slate]

yeah
and dying light 1's quality appealed to more

[jagged pelican]

oh yeah all the shitty ceos are just putting food on the table by ruining the gaming industry

[jagged pelican]

there's quality in dl2 as well, we've seen it, but the quality will lower depending on how they handle development

[faint sleet]

you are describing cod developers

[cedar ginkgo]

whats the best one handed weapon?

[tacit slate]

im talking about devs and shit
here's what I know
we can talk about this till the cows come home
-dying light 1 is more profitable
-its more popular
-it consistently has more players

dying light 2
-has less players
-had more complaints held by the majority
-near every update has been spent trying to fix the game and make it more like 1

[faint sleet]

no matter what you want to do, they have to do the same shit every year

[tacit slate]

and damn near every year it is the most successful title that year

[faint sleet]

not sure about profitebility

the game is 10 years old

and there arent many new bundles or new sales

[tacit slate]

dude they've said it themselves multiple times
2 did not do better than 1
it still has not

[faint sleet]

there are some but not as many

[faint sleet]

ok and

[jagged pelican]

you have to consider things like how dl2 has been in development hell for like 7 years. and you're right about the last point, which is the point we were trying to make, almost every update has been trying to make it more like 1

[faint sleet]

i like dl1 and im so done with everyone glazing the hell out of that game

i get it, its an amzing game that will be remembered for ages

[jagged pelican]

I love this franchise more than any game, but I can still point out the flaws in both games.

[faint sleet]

but everyone forgets all the flaws of the game and just praises the shit out of it

[tacit slate]

sure both have flaws
2 just has many more

[faint sleet]

cant disagree on that

[jagged pelican]

I agree, but there's reasons for that, and there's reasons why it still makes flaws

[faint sleet]

but i put 900 in dl2 while only 300 into the first

[tacit slate]

k
you aren't most people

[jagged pelican]

including techland just trying to make it more like dl1 instead of building upon it to make it a unique and fun experience, like what they promised us

[faint sleet]

lets hope he beast will be the best of both worlds

[tacit slate]

have you considered they did that because the majority did not LIKE said experience

[faint sleet]

i remember when dl2 was revealed and they made a point how every choice matter and i sighed so hard

there are very few games where choices really matter

[jagged pelican]

so the fix is just to make it like dl1? thats not a good decision, its supposed to be a unique and separate game

[tacit slate]

its a sequel
it should have 1 as its base
and improve from there

[faint sleet]

and if biger companies tried and failed then techland had big shoes to fill

[jagged pelican]

I agree, you cant get rid of the foundation, but build upon it instead

[faint sleet]

not necessarily

[jagged pelican]

make it unique

[faint sleet]

you shoul change the game

but just the right ymount

[tacit slate]

dude its a sequel
if you wanted a completely different game you shouldn't buy a sequel

[faint sleet]

so it feels like a sequel and not the 1.5 version

[jagged pelican]

well the name dying light is pretty much one of the main selling points of the game.

[faint sleet]

and the flashlightd doesnt die out like in the first game

[jagged pelican]

a game can be different and still not betray the foundations

[jagged pelican]

it does tho. both die out on nightmare difficulty

[faint sleet]

it slowly dims and then dies out

in the first it flickers to let you know

[jagged pelican]

it flickers in dl2

[faint sleet]

really?

[jagged pelican]

yes

[faint sleet]

i dont remeber

seeing it

[jagged pelican]

it can be hard to notice but its there

[tacit slate]

here's what dying light 2 failed at
-failed at having better combat
-failed at having scary nights
-failed at having unique interiors
-failed at having the additional game modes 1 had
-failed at having the variety in weapons, enemies, and combat that 1 had

there is a reason every update has tried to make it more like 1
because 1 didn't fail at any of that

[faint sleet]

the combat is better what are you on about

the game modes came later just like in the first game

it didnt launch with bozak horde or the prison

[faint sleet]

dl2 had a way bigger scope but it ultimately flew to close to the sun

[tacit slate]

where's be the zombie Luka

also my point is 2 SHOULD'VE launched with those
it should've launched with ng+
it should've launched with all the shit its predecessor had
post launch content should not be catchup

[faint sleet]

dl2 be the zombie wouldnt work

[stoic linden]

where in the vnc tower are the medkits

[faint sleet]

the game is janky enough

[tacit slate]

also in regards to combat:
-removed moves
-worse physics
-less weapons
-removed guns(objectively something people wanted)

[jagged pelican]

1. it had better combat, maybe not good zombie combat, but the human combat was way better and actually a decent system

2. I think nights should of been darker, but light pollution isnt really a thing in the world of dl2 so its gonna be a bit brighter.

3. yes it failed at making detail for interiors considering they had to redesign the whole map because of story rewriting 100 times

4. even dl1 didn't have be the zombie at launch

5. there is variety in dl2, even more than there was before. Just not as prevalent because the game focuses more on cooler looking weapons that do more dmg, and it had enemy variety when it came to infected but not humans I agree.

[faint sleet]

what moves were removed

[stoic linden]

eh i dont mind guns

[jagged pelican]

I agree with the physical stuff being worse.

[faint sleet]

you just reminded me of a guy who really wanted a minigun in the game

[stoic linden]

NO

[faint sleet]

i wonder how it will look in the beast

[faint sleet]

i had the same reaction

[jagged pelican]

they're pretty much obligated to make it more physics based

[faint sleet]

like go play roblox kiddo

[faint sleet]

hope they succed

[stoic linden]

i got a Gamma tag i like guns but i only want them if there hard to get

[tacit slate]

1. less moves, less weapons, less enemy variety

2. nights were not scary

3. no comment

4. yeah, cause they made it up, it was the first time. 2 should've launched with it, post launch content shouldn't be spent playing catchup to 1

5. no zombie babies, no devastators, etc.
   I love fighting the same revenant 5 times in what should be unique experiences

[stoic linden]

i wish we had a Gause gun with packs made out of battary with how few battiers you find now

[faint sleet]

they are the ultimate reward

[faint sleet]

they arent obligated to launch be the zombie

the game way bigger than the first so multiplayer goes out the window immediatly

same as TLOU2

[tacit slate]

-me when I pay more for less content

[faint sleet]

that is just reality of game making

[tacit slate]

its not

[faint sleet]

they wanted a bigger base game

so they didnt implement be the zombie

[tacit slate]

if i find any sequel that is lacking features of its previous game I consider that a failing in the aspect of being a sequel

[faint sleet]

like i said its the same as TLOU2

it didnt have a multiplayr but a loner story mode

[tacit slate]

yeah
and the internet loves the hell out of the last of us 2 compared to one
definitely no controversy there

[faint sleet]

be the zombie wasnt a base feature tho

i doubt be the zombie will ever come back

maybe in dying light 3

but im not holding my breath

[tacit slate]

if it was an improvement added to a previous entry
the next entry should launch with it
you can call that me having too high standards but if ANY game doesn't, I consider that a failing

[jagged pelican]

1. give me an example of less moves. as for an exact number of weapons I dont know but it has a lot of weapons.

2. things like it being to bright and flashlight inertia are definitely reasons why it was not as scary, I agree. but if they actually focused on making it more challenging and scary without having to dump volatiles everywhere that could've worked

3. btz being in dl2 is subjective, people dont like it, people do, there's cheaters. but other than that I dont have any comment, cuz I didn't do much btz

4. yes I did enjoy demolishing children with dropkicks, but there's way more infected variety, and I agree Revenants and bosses in general need to be reworked to be more challenging and not copy and pastes

[tacit slate]

for example
if beast launches without ng+?
failing

there is nothing anyone could possibly say to me to convince me that wouldnt be one

[jagged pelican]

but you're making points that need to actually be addressed in order to make it more unique and fun without making it like dl1 as much as possible

[tacit slate]

and my point is make it as much as 1 as possible because people liked that and THEN build

[jagged pelican]

okay they probably will make a btz but its definitely not gonna fail if it doesnt have btz

but it would be cool if they added btz i won't disagree

[faint sleet]

if the coop is still broken after 5 years the ni have my doubts on it working well

[tacit slate]

beast is marketed as a not full game and a side project
so I will not expect it to have the many game modes
that would be unfair
but a dying light 3?
should absolutely launch with em

[faint sleet]

the price is of a triple a game though