🎯︱other-games

[leaden orchid]

Insane everything, except for writing

[plucky dune]

Exactly

[leaden orchid]

Like the gameplay looks hella good and I will probably have tons of fun with it

[normal crown]

Because naughty dogs has balls to start the story with killing the main protagonist

[plucky dune]

The production value was intense but their writer was just lacking

[normal crown]

Meanwhile ubisoft selling them as DLC

[normal crown]

No?

[normal crown]

oh it's gorey af

[leaden orchid]

Don't really care about gore unless it's used right

[normal crown]

People plead for mercy when you chop their body parts

[leaden orchid]

Gore won't pull a game down for me

[normal crown]

Their is a bow and arrow with dynamite

[plucky dune]

The gore looks pretty real. It's good shit.

[normal crown]

If you kill everyone but leave one alive he will beg for mercy

afcourse kill him with hands

[civic plover]

that exists in rdr2

[plucky dune]

But all in all, when you look at it from a standpoint of not even comparison but as someone who played the first game, DL2's story feels wrong.

[normal crown]

DL2?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!

[leaden orchid]

Wait DL2?

lol

[plucky dune]

WHOA

TLoU2

[normal crown]

SPOILERS
LEAKER

KILL THIS GUY

[plucky dune]

WAIT

[normal crown]

This man broke the NDA

Send him in jail techland

[civic plover]

execute him

[plucky dune]

I meant TLoU2's story is absolute dogshit

Not DL2

I mean

[normal crown]

Use his creditcard to buy fallout 76

[plucky dune]

We don't even know much about DL2 in the first place

[normal crown]

and 40 million atoms

[normal crown]

no

[plucky dune]

The court's made it's decision and the jury agrees.

Fantastic game. Horrible narrative.

[normal crown]

which court?

Court of AC players yeah ok

[plucky dune]

Cope

Public opinion agrees

[normal crown]

how about you cope

[normal crown]

90% public who shit on tlou2 hasn't even played the game

[plucky dune]

So?

[normal crown]

bruh

Dying Light 2 is shit, I haven't played it yet

[plucky dune]

And the other 10% have. That 10% makes up more than the 0% that enjoy it. So

Also

Who said TLoU2 is shit?

That

Is what I thought

[leaden orchid]

@vital vector @paper thicket @pastel orchid It was today I found out that there's an easter egg you need to do for one mission in order to fly a pelican in Reach

When we play that mission I'll try and get us to do it

[plucky dune]

On the mission where you go into New Alexandria

Or whatever it's called

[leaden orchid]

ye

I only knew about the dance room

[normal crown]

0%?

[plucky dune]

Sam

Samee*

E key

[normal crown]

where you pulling the no. out of?

[plucky dune]

Why

[plucky dune]

Public opinion ofc

[paper thicket]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/289746268358705152/894572906661679124/image0.gif

[leaden orchid]

lmfao

[plucky dune]

Y'all know Middle Earth: Shadow of War, right?

[leaden orchid]

yes

[plucky dune]

They should hella port that to VR. I mean, some aspects wouldn't work, true, but even just an entirely new game set in Middle Earth would be fire

[leaden orchid]

Great game, don't even need any of the shit from the microtransactions

To complete it

[plucky dune]

They removed the microtransactions

[leaden orchid]

I did it first playthrough on hardest difficulty without using it

oh nice

[plucky dune]

You masochistic fuck

The nemesis system would've railed you no 🧢

[leaden orchid]

I malded so hard that I just instantly assaulted a fortress one time without any warchiefs to help me

Because I failed it multiple times

[plucky dune]

Yikes

[leaden orchid]

Then just solo'd it

And did it

Somehow

[plucky dune]

Did you capture it?

[leaden orchid]

Yes loo

[plucky dune]

Oh damn

[leaden orchid]

l

[normal crown]

Dude give me some valid points of arguement

[plucky dune]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/699617559053598751/894441691291979776/image0-209.gif

[normal crown]

Thanks for telling me "I am stupid pls ignore me"

[plucky dune]

That's not very nice

It's just facts dude

The story just wasn't very good.

I didn't say the game was shit. I said the game was awesome

But the narrative was poopoo

[paper thicket]

https://youtu.be/WrOv7edXDNw @leaden orchid

I found something amazing

[leaden orchid]

oh no

I will watch

[plucky dune]

Beautiful

[paper thicket]

[normal crown]

"Why do you think the narration was bad"
"Public Opinion"
No

[plucky dune]

Yes

[normal crown]

Get a load of this guy

[plucky dune]

Cheers bud

[paper thicket]

I love this

[plucky dune]

Hammed steam

[normal crown]

public opinion

[plucky dune]

It is

[paper thicket]

what are they voting for

what was the question

[plucky dune]

He's been real quiet

https://tenor.com/view/sweaty-speedrunner-epic-gamer-sweatyspeedrunner-gif-22461398

[normal crown]

IGN's best game ever voting

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/749306145654439997/893880912843014174/unknown.png?width=905&height=670

[paper thicket]

[leaden orchid]

I think to kill off a major character / protagonist is fine, it's how it's executed which is what matters (and tbh it depends on the character too). In the case for TLOU you take control of Abby who kills Joel and you begin to play from the other side. The problem is, the other side doesn't really show much (or enough) to make you empathise enough to forgive / move on from it (which is what the game is trying to tell with the ending being like that). It's funny how you find a lot of players trying to kill Abby in multiple different ways, hmm I wonder why? The main problem is that if they tried to pave this narrative like this, they at least should have make us like Abby a lot BEFORE killing off Joel. But since killing Joel is now the main thing in everyone's minds from the outset, you automatically have to do everything in your power to somehow try and win them back. In this case, the game fails, quite miserably. Imagine this: You first see the story from Abby's perspective where you're on a revenge path of seeking out the guy who killed your dad, only to find out it's Joel! Way to put the player in the hot seat debating who are you gonna side with and who you will now empathise with more. But alas, nothing like that happened.

ADDING A SPACE HERE

---

There are parts where as Abby you directly fight against people like Tommy or even Ellie at one point, which really drives the point home where you don't feel like you're playing as the protagonist, rather the antagonist. Moreover, there are tons of stupid character decisons such as the pregnant lady wanting to fight - this is definitely the worst case, as when Ellie kills her she realises she's pregnant as a "oh no! Revenge drove me to do something as horrible as this!" Except that entire tone falls apart when the dead woman previously made the most stupid decision of her life. Completely removes any kind of sympathy.

What I find particularly REALLY silly is that Ellie leaves a trail of blood of killing dozens if not HUNDREDS of people leading up to Abby, only to spare her. It's funny how 99% of them had nothing to do with his execution either, and they all died for nothing in the end. Fantastic, not even any kind satisfaction for either side, no matter who you root for.

If the game's goal is to say that revenge is futile and only hurts more people, it failed because Abby definitely got her revenge and lived to tell the tale. Fuck sake.

If the game's goal is to paint a grim picture of the experience of life driven by hatred, then I guess maybe that worked? But at the cost of making it a shitty experience for the player. You don't make a "shitty simulator" game to portray that it's shit. Just not a fun experience narratively.

[broken plume]

ok zoey

[leaden orchid]

If there are a LOT of people criticising something, there must be a good reason

And I see plenty

[leaden orchid]

Newer game = win

Considering the audience of IGN

@normal crown You asked me to provide the main reasons why I don't like the narrative of TLoU 2

There it is

I would like an opinion from someone who:

• Has actually played the game and
• Who likes it

In response to what I said

[dusky hornet]

hi

[dusky hornet]

wow godowar

[plucky dune]

IGN

Really

Dude you just destroyed whatever case you had in the first place

[dusky hornet]

ha ign

[normal crown]

Give me a second I will respond in a minute

[plucky dune]

Mans had to quickly search the internet for 10 minutes for evidence

Cmon bro

I feel like the narrative was done too quick

They probably had something going and quickly had to work up an excuse

[leaden orchid]

To be fair I'm going off the story from watching cutscenes and dialogue from the game and from my memory

So if he's gonna provide points then evidence can only help it

[plucky dune]

I played the first half

And watched the rest

[leaden orchid]

I would have actually bought the idea I presented of playing Abby BEFORE killing Joel

[plucky dune]

Fr

[leaden orchid]

Getting to actually understand and sympathise and THEN we're smacked with the cold hard truth that it was Joel that did it

[plucky dune]

Should've had a dark figure shoot everything in 1 from Ellie's perspective since she was drugged out and shit, leaving us until a good 6th of the way into part 2 to realize it was Joel

It looks silly with how quick it was done

[leaden orchid]

Well eh you should only find out that Abby's dad was the surgeon real late

To fit it in to the narrative

[plucky dune]

Yeah

[leaden orchid]

Like you establish her relationship with her dad as a dad, not as a surgeon and what he did

And then it's revealed what happened

[plucky dune]

It rubs off on us when it comes to Ellie too since we also just find out.

That'd fit great

But it didn't.

[leaden orchid]

What helps is that Joel lied to Ellie about what he did

[plucky dune]

Or the current one didn't atleast

Yeah

[leaden orchid]

And if that part is revealed alongside the whole Abby thing, then we can actually start ridiculing Joel

And not be against his death

[plucky dune]

Dude ColdatNight when

[leaden orchid]

To be fair

I never was a fan of TLoU1's narrative in the first place

The opening is fantastic and tear jerking

Then I just start losing interest around halfway through

Their relationship is cool but not enough to keep me engaged

[normal crown]

I think the point of all Abby side was not to "He look she is good too" is is to emphasize that both Abby and Elli are the same characters. Both had a loving father figure who was killed and they started a revenge a mission. I do understand the other side is small but it still gives enough information on how she feels about her enviroment in characters but I do agree it could have been more and my only possible excuse is that her died in the middle from a angry dude with AK47. And that sniper battle was bitch.

-The magic/challenge of TLOU2 was to sympathize a character you just saw as a kill Joel with a golf club, what a bitch, i went to empty by entire rifle on her legs and arms and than smash her head with a golf cue. And with a challengs this big when the switch happens many people (including me) felt like yo how to skip. But the more i played as Abby I realized she isn't monster she is just blinded by anger because of lost of some loved ones. Just like that one guy from an indie game in 2013, I think it was called the last of pasta. Heck you should be wondering if she was so angry why she only killed Joel and not Tommy and Ellie. because at the dearly end she realized it was wrong and spared the life of those she felt weren't guilty.

-If they would have let us like Abby before the Joel killing wouldn't have struck this hard and was like "yeah fuck ellie her dad killed my dad"

addind space here

-Yes you are playing as the antogonist in TLOU2 weather it is Abby or Ellie both have done unforgettable sins. You see naughty dog is a big company who makes serios games so when they do some goofy shit like pregant lady fight it sticks out like a sour thumb and it suddenly becomes the major point of criticism ignoring the entire extra side content (the main plot)

-It's funny how Ellie leaves Abby alive despite killing 1000s of people just like that one dude from an indie zombie game i think it was called The First of you.

-Also Abby left Ellie live in the beginning, why? she is the daughter of the guy who killed your father why not kill her too? The Last Of Us 2 is set out in such a gruesome world with such a hard living atmosphere and the game came out it such a horrible year can't we have one positive message be given from the game. Ellie had no reason to go on killing, she knew for everyone else Joel was an evil person and he saw his death coming. Abby and Ellie aren't so different and she lets her live as an act of humanity.

-Abby got her revenge but at what cost? Who will she tell her tale too? Corpses of her friends?

-I don't think the game is hammering a "goal/tone", it is just characters expressing their emotions and it is up to the players to interprete

[leaden orchid]

Then I've interpreted it as a mess of horrible character decisions causing pain and suffering for all and an unenjoyable experience because of it

[normal crown]

yes

[leaden orchid]

Like watching a car crash unfold

I would not praise it for that though

[normal crown]

Joel sells his car to buy a horse and you think Ellie sparing Abby is dumb

[leaden orchid]

I find people making decisions that counter what other decisions they've done dumb, I wouldn't find Joel's example you've put as dumb

[plucky dune]

Horses don't need fuel my boy

[leaden orchid]

It's the apocalypse, a horse is much more useful

[plucky dune]

And can maneuver through debris

Like cars and wreckages

[normal crown]

ew

wait

nvm

[leaden orchid]

And isn't loud enough to attract attention

I mean you literally see in the first game an ambush on a road for anyone using a car

And they're like "yeah no more cars from here on out"

[normal crown]

Thanks for not bringing out the point of "Joel is hardcore ninja man he would never trust strangers and go i a room"

[leaden orchid]

I think that was also stupid to reveal his real name

But other than that it's ok

The scene itself is fine I think

It's the context around it that's the issue

[normal crown]

If anyone has seen the ending of TLOU1 they would know why Joel trusted strangers

[leaden orchid]

And I absolutely think that it would have been a much better to follow Abby before that scene

Then the player would come to the same realisation that the game tries to tell others

[normal crown]

"this man killed my father and his entire crew i should kill him"

[leaden orchid]

Summed up? Yes it can be summed up like that

[normal crown]

If there was that Joel Killing won't hit hard as I said above

[leaden orchid]

Just like anything can be summed up to be simplified like that

I disagree

[normal crown]

When you are killing Ghost you don't give backstory of Shephard

[leaden orchid]

The one we got hits hard in a negative way

[leaden orchid]

Shephard is an established villain of the game

So if you compare him to Abby then...

lmfao

He absolutely has his reasons, however it is not meant to empathise with him

Only understand his actions

[normal crown]

Both Ellie and Abby are bad persons here

[normal crown]

I don't think game tries to empathise Abby it tries to explain Abby

[leaden orchid]

If you're not meant to empathise with anyone in the game then there is a large disconnection

Which is probably why there is tons of criticism

Because in a story focused game of course people would empathise with at least someone

^^ and if they're not supposed to then the game has failed at that part

[normal crown]

The last of us 1 story summed up
Old man goes on adventure with wierd kid and realizes this kid is trash but as the adventure goes on realizes hey this kid is pretty cool

[leaden orchid]

What are you trying to point out with this statement

[normal crown]

How?

what is this Assassins creed?

[leaden orchid]

In order to have any emotional connection to a character one must empathise with them as part of the experience of playing as/with/alongside them. This is the norm for a lot of games

Assassins Creed (at least the ones I played) is a great example of empathising with the character you play as

Especially Ezio

[normal crown]

Can't we empathize in in a different way

[leaden orchid]

What different way?

If we want to understand and really get the emotions of people, we have to empathise with them

That's literally the definition

[normal crown]

Instead of "aw man i feel sorry for her" can't we "aw man she is strong and loves her friends"

[leaden orchid]

If we don't do that, then the emotional tones will just fall through

[leaden orchid]

Both of those is found through empathy

[normal crown]

In Abby's story eveything goes fine till Joel empties his Ak47 magzine in her dad

[leaden orchid]

Then in that case we are meant to empathise with Abby!

[normal crown]

you see in AC they hire robots as voice actors

[leaden orchid]

I wouldn't call someone like Roger Craig Smith a robot

[plucky dune]

[leaden orchid]

You are in the DL server after all

lmfao

And again, it's a moot point towards the actual main discussion here

[normal crown]

Lemme bring that famouse scene from acclaimed AC2

[plucky dune]

Before Odyssey, almost all voice actors were amazing.

Atleast for AC

[leaden orchid]

Ezio's family get hanged in front of him for doing nothing wrong

Of course we all get to understand and sometimes even feel his pain of it happening

And absolutely are on his side to go against those who have wronged him

hmm

Sounds a lot like revenge like in TLoU2 doesn't it

So I guess we should also be empathising for Abby and Ellie

Which is why I wrote my wall of text above

[normal crown]

But TLOU2 doesn't has a boring open world

[vital vector]

[plucky dune]

This is relevant

[normal crown]

All these emotions are cut out when "hey wake up this is all a VR game :)"

[plucky dune]

Not really

[leaden orchid]

Even if I agreed with you (which I don't, AC's world building was actually one of the more interesting things of the game) how does that have any connection to TLoU2 and whether it tries to make the audience empathise with its characters?

[leaden orchid]

No it isn't, as it's established as experiencing reality of the past.

[normal crown]

Assassins Creed Odyssy has a good story, not a masterpiece but good enough to keep you hooked

[leaden orchid]

I am semi interested in the story yes

But again

Can we please

Bring the discussion back to TLoU 2 characterisation, presentation, and empathy

[normal crown]

example of AC Odyssey once you get hooked to the story turns out to the next story mission you must higher XP your character and turns out the Side Quest give megre XP so you have to do A TON of them making a dissconnect from the main story and side stuff

[leaden orchid]

Oh yeah, I think the later AC's are dogwater in that regard

I'm mainly interested in the earlier ones when it comes to story and world building

[normal crown]

Look AC Odyssey story starts out strong

combat and stealth is sorta fun

but after 5 hours it becomes grindy boring

[leaden orchid]

Are you not willing to return to TLoU 2?

[normal crown]

i am

i was explaining why ACO sucks

in world builidng

[leaden orchid]

Then why make this large divergent comment that has nothing to do with the discussion

[normal crown]

The Last Of Us 2 is an amazing narrative piece, not a masterpiece (as I said in the very beginning) but it is still good enough to give the chills

It is not a simple plot

[leaden orchid]

I certainly didn't feel any chills because again, I think it failed in it's presentation of narrative, and some few very bad narrative choices

[normal crown]

It had some yes

But the last time i related that much to characters in a videogame was an indie western game called Red lol Expansion 2

[leaden orchid]

Then in that case you empathised with Abby

And that's great

[normal crown]

If you want TLOU2 narration in a more perfect way play hotline maimi 2

There is litrally Hotline Miami in the game as an easter egg

[leaden orchid]

It's just that the game is constructed in a way where you're presented with a character that hates Abby, and has a journey killing dozens to get to her, only to not do so. And you're supposed to empathise with both.

It's a lose lose

And again, a horrible experience

[plucky dune]

There's no happy ending.

[normal crown]

IDK man the indie game First Of You did that and it was critically acclaimed

[plucky dune]

Abby gets left alone and forced to go... Somewhere by a shitty boat with nothing on it.

And Ellie returns home broken and ridden with guilt with nobody there for her.

It's just sad.

[normal crown]

Sometimes living alive is abigger punishement than death

[leaden orchid]

It's like praising a VR game for it's presentation of accurate torture and making people experience it to really get the feel of it

No, people don't like torture

[plucky dune]

Blood Trail VR moment

[normal crown]

and seeing in the condition Ellie left Abby death would be an escape

[leaden orchid]

I've never heard of that game so I can't say anything about it

[plucky dune]

Fr

[normal crown]

The First Of You (The Last Of Us)

[leaden orchid]

The argument of being critically acclaimed is odd since TLoU2 is also critically acclaimed by a lot of the big outlets

Most if not all of which are pretty untrustworthy

[leaden orchid]

So TLoU 1?

[normal crown]

yes

[plucky dune]

Yeah

[normal crown]

Joel and Ellie have same actions throughout if you look closely

[leaden orchid]

Who's other perspective are we given when we kill Abby's dad?

It's not comparable if that didn't happen

[normal crown]

yeah man where is the giraffe

[leaden orchid]

Again, it's how they're presented

[normal crown]

Giraffe was my fav character of TLOU

[leaden orchid]

You are failing to provide substantial backing to your statements

And instead go on different tangents when challenged

Please just stick on topic

Or don't bother calling out other people not liking a game that you yourself like

Because right now you're failing to have a proper conversation like this

[normal crown]

I agree at some flaws like lack of more abby and Tommy and the preganant lady

but overseeing them it is was an enjoybale ride

[leaden orchid]

The gameplay would definitely be an enjoyable ride

[normal crown]

and the graphics

[leaden orchid]

Just that since it's a story focused game, it would present primarily the story for large amounts of the game. And for me the story falls flat

[normal crown]

from a technical stand point tlou2 is the best looking game on PS4

i want to say PS5 but some mf will say cod mw 2019

[normal crown]

it doesn't falls flat it is just not what people expected from naughty dog

specially after uncharted 4

and gameplay wise as well it sucks compared to UNCHRTD 4

[leaden orchid]

hmm

[normal crown]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MEpYiS2aOI

[leaden orchid]

I got bored of Uncharted after playing halfway through 3

1 and 2 were aight but it gets repetitive

[normal crown]

uncharted 4 has a grappling hook

[normal crown]

uncharted 1 fucking sucked ass

[leaden orchid]

I am expecting a good story from Naughty Dog since it carried the 4 other games I've played from them (Uncharted 1 & 2 & 3, TLoU 1). So I guess it wasn't that?

[normal crown]

that what i am saying the reason TLOU2 was ahted was because it wasn't Uncharted 4

and let's be real you cna't top Uncharted 4

[leaden orchid]

Well I know nothing of Uncharted 4

So that had nothing to do with my thoughts on it

[normal crown]

once you will play uncharted 4 you will look at tlou an say nah that shit sucked

[leaden orchid]

In gameplay?

[normal crown]

everything

[leaden orchid]

I don't think I ever judged a story differently after watching something else

In any media

Only comparatively, but not self quality

[plucky dune]

Doubt

[normal crown]

uncharted 2 on ps3 sucks

[plucky dune]

Uncharted 4 was a banger but TLoU was better by a long shot

[leaden orchid]

I've played only 1, 2 and 3 on PS3

[normal crown]

because the aiming is hard

[leaden orchid]

But again, they all feel the same to me and I got bored

Story was the only factor in making me continue

[normal crown]

dude your point of discussion were "public opinion" so uhh.......

[plucky dune]

You guys played the Infamous games?

[plucky dune]

So... I'm banned from contributing to another discussion?

[normal crown]

if you fail to give any better points yes

[plucky dune]

This dude

[normal crown]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXK_jtchDU4

[normal crown]

so you are already accepting you will fail to give better points?

[plucky dune]

What points?

I'm not even trying to argue with you

[normal crown]

something like this

[plucky dune]

All I said was "Doubt, Uncharted 4 not as good as TLoU 1."

I'm not gonna start an argument and write multiple paragraphs because you fantasize about being proven wrong my boy

[normal crown]

Aussie wan't either?

[plucky dune]

You linked his legit paragraphs in your reply

💀

[normal crown]

Do you actually think those are arguements?

Well then Ziara has commited warcrimes

[plucky dune]

You were both trying to prove eachother wrong, so yes.

Your opinions clashed and led to a back and forth.

[normal crown]

Ziara has nuked the world

[plucky dune]

I don't understand

Why do you do this

This was so unnecessary\

I said a sentence bro

TLoU > UC4

[normal crown]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJcfp1o2gQU

[normal crown]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M3uarvzsOs

[normal crown]

caught it?

[plucky dune]

If only

Back 4 Blood had better do some collabs

[normal crown]

did no one caught TLOU2 using the same INTRO

[plucky dune]

TLoU and TWD would be great with the Back 4 Blood formula

[normal crown]

bruh

those 2 are narative survival, B4B is hoard shooter coop survival

[plucky dune]

I said with it's formula

Not ported to the whole ass game

And TWD isn't a narrative survival

Technically

It's a series, a few games made by seperate devs etc.

[normal crown]

Well if they were copying formula why not just make dying light in a different map

[plucky dune]

Who said they were copying the formula

And how does this relate to DL in a different map

[normal crown]

^^

[plucky dune]

They would

But again

How does this relate do DL with a different map

DL's formula with what?

[normal crown]

use brain and think

[plucky dune]

Plus DL's formula isn't it's map

[plucky dune]

Imagine criticizing me for my argument and yours is "Think."

Bro why 💀

https://tenor.com/view/guy-arguing-guy-talking-to-wall-talking-brick-wall-gif-18667615

[normal crown]

"sky is blue" - get a load of me
"ok and grass is green" - coldatnight
"bro wtf what does grass being green has to do anyhting 💀 " -get a load of me

[plucky dune]

Exactly

Because your point was so spontaneous

It quite literally has nothing to do with anything

"TLoU or TWD would be good with B4B's twist."
"DL with a different map is the exact same." -ColdatNight

[normal crown]

you were saying copy coop survival formula so i said why not copy open world survival formula

[normal crown]

no that's the other 1/2 of my snetence. "why not copy DL formula. Dying light on a different map"

[plucky dune]

But

That just doesn't make sense

Putting DL's map away and replacing it is just DLC

Or a mod

It's formula isn't even it's map

And I never said copy it

I said merge it.

[normal crown]

Welcome to AAA industries

[plucky dune]

WITH it

Not INSTEAD OF it

My simian friend.

[normal crown]

You should have said B4B should have guess characters as DLCs

[plucky dune]

But I didn't

So...?

[normal crown]

since you didn't your message makes a totally different sense

[plucky dune]

EXACTLY

We're talking about two different things here

Which is why your comments were so out of place

[normal crown]

congratulations you won the arguement you can now sleep :D

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/867996300229087302/894596907228340264/aGpPYdX_460sv.mp4

[ionic sun]

lets goo

[civic plover]

https://tenor.com/view/epico-cat-epico-cat-epic-cat-meme-epic-cat-epico-meme-gif-20299736

[normal crown]

Is it a separate copy in your library or same as pre order?

[ionic sun]

separate

[normal crown]

Like they did with B4B

Oh ok

Only 19GB???!??

why they needed 90gb hard drive for

[ionic sun]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

its one map

so maybe thats why only 19 gigs

[civic plover]

the beta is one map ?

[ionic sun]

it always was like that for battlefields

i dont think they will change it

[civic plover]

oh, I never played any beta for bf games.

[normal crown]

Turns out that one map is just a big empty plain

[civic plover]

I mean… their maps are huge.

it really is…. a battlefield

[fleet gulch]

I'm not able to preload it, talking with ea support atm

Imagine being able to preload on steam, but not on their own damn store

[ionic sun]

shouldve bought it on steam

[fleet gulch]

It was 11 euros cheaper on ea desktop tho

[ionic sun]

oh, understandable then

hope they will fix it

[fleet gulch]

They said it will come a bit later

Can't wait to play it

If there's a quad on the map, do we do that?

[fleet gulch]

Got it working

[buoyant moon]

You can download the beta for bf2042 rn, also if you are ever intressted in coding c++ i can show you some of the basics

[normal crown]

I didn’t bought it but still pre loaded it

[normal crown]

Or just click on request access

[plucky dune]

19 gb? Optimization should be great then.

My 32 gb 1080 ti with a sexy 17-6700K CPU ass should be fire

Why do I say my gear?

Because I'm scared.

Help me.

Will it run?

[grand frigate]

prob

[plucky dune]

On atleast med settings

Surely

I can run AC Odyssey and Valhalla on the very highest settings.

But that's Ubisoft. With their cracked optimization.

[grand frigate]

im a 1660 super guy, im dont have much money

[normal crown]

1080 ti is about the same as a 3060

performance wise

[plucky dune]

Oh bet

So I should be good to run it

Ultra or not

[normal crown]

yes

who knows

[plucky dune]

We'll see

[normal crown]

I can't time travel

[plucky dune]

It's 19gb for EVERYTHING they have so

[normal crown]

Can’t be sure cod vanguard

[civic plover]

get a load of him

[plucky dune]

🤝

[normal crown]

Storage size doesn’t equate to performance

[civic plover]

🤝

[plucky dune]

But they can fit all of the major quality textures in 19gb

Well

Tbf

That was raytraced

It should be good

[normal crown]

Tear down
Bright memory

[plucky dune]

Teardown was hardcore with it's graphics

For what it was, the graphics blew me away.

[normal crown]

teardown is voxel based

i think

that's why performance is kinda shitty

even on high end gpus

[civic plover]

Teardown make pc go vroom vroom

[normal crown]

And BF2042 has destruction

are you really trying

to compare teardown with battlefield

Though tear down performance is way better now way better

destruction level wise?

[normal crown]

I am talking about optimization

[fleet gulch]

it's because the beta is limited

[normal crown]

yes but it's not on voxel

[plucky dune]

But still

For what it DOES have, which the map alone should be atleast 10gb

[normal crown]

Optimization

[plucky dune]

Pretty mental

They're either really organized or they have killer optimization

[normal crown]

[fleet gulch]

they have said that you need at least 100gb for the actual release

[normal crown]

Warhammer Vermintide (101gb) runs better than The Witcher 3 (50gb)

[plucky dune]

That's true

[fleet gulch]

Big size doesn't mean worse performance

[plucky dune]

If that's the case we've probably got a good 6th or 7th of the content.

Anyone else hyped for Breakthrough?

[normal crown]

Small size doesn’t mean better performance

[plucky dune]

Looks like a good side-mode.

But

If it's not worse

It's better

And if it's not better

It's betterer

[fleet gulch]

I can't wait for Portal, amma use that mode to it's limit

[plucky dune]

Ikr

You guys seen Farcry 6 gameplay?

[fleet gulch]

not that impressive

[plucky dune]

Not leaked btw, it's now out for content creators.

I think it's pretty good.

I'd finish it, but it doesn't look like a 100%er like RDR2.

Repetitive

[normal crown]

Venice Unleashed - battlefield 3

[fleet gulch]

First thing I'm doing is 64 players with c4 only vs 10 tanks

[normal crown]

Venice unleashed modern added bots in bf3

Multiplayer

Someone made dust 2 in bf3

[civic plover]

dust 2 (2)

[normal crown]

Dust 3

[civic plover]

dust 3 is gonna be DUST

it’s just the same map but back in time

a prequel if you may

[fleet gulch]

Also, I'm totally doing a space invaders mode: 1940 players with jeeps and tnt try to launch them into modern helicopters

[normal crown]

Just play Garry’s mod

[civic plover]

^

[fleet gulch]

Can Garry's mod hold more than 20 players without the servers almost crash?

[normal crown]

@fleet gulch after I complete nier should I continue from same save file for different ending or start new one

[normal crown]

Yes

[fleet gulch]

continue

[normal crown]

From same file?

[fleet gulch]

yes

[normal crown]

I have done 2 side quests for resistance

[normal crown]

yes?

it can have servers of 120

people

[fleet gulch]

dafuq, I remember playing it a year ago and servers could barely hold 30 people

[normal crown]

i play on one almost daily

[normal crown]

I though the girls would vent over

[plucky dune]

Probably.

[normal crown]

Does killing innocent robots affect story

[normal crown]

jokes on you, it's more fun than some aaa games

[civic plover]

most

[normal crown]

Ssshhhh he doesn’t know

[fleet gulch]

who knows, maybe yes, maybe no, maybe they aren't all that innocent

[normal crown]

garry's mod itself

is peak gaming

If you haven't played

You're not a gamer

[civic plover]

gmod is games inside one

[plucky dune]

Correct

[normal crown]

I have watched dunkey’s video and they try to fuck and eat humans

[plucky dune]

But the non-gamer women wouldn't understand

[fleet gulch]

Oh yeah, have you seen that they are making "Gmod" 2 based on source 2 engine?

[normal crown]

S&box

[plucky dune]

Source 3?

[fleet gulch]

yes

[normal crown]

Ok if it moves I will kill it

As someone who watches anime ik what will happen

There is a girl named jackass

[heavy orbit]

lit

[thick quarry]

[civic plover]

best apex pack!!

[heavy orbit]

[fleet gulch]

can't wait for h5

[normal crown]

your wallet can

[fleet gulch]

I own Gamepass

[normal crown]

Game ass?!?!!!111

https://i.imgur.com/ymy3drS.png @ionic sun @fleet gulch

Just a skill issue

[upbeat whale]

ok

[fleet gulch]

damn, you be smurfin

[normal crown]

@fleet gulch

[fleet gulch]

@ionic sun

[upbeat whale]

cool

[fleet gulch]

they forgot to disable console in the beta lol

this guy needs help lol

[civic plover]

[fleet gulch]

not much to see, but at least it's interesting

[normal crown]

on ea desktop

not on origin

or wait let me try again

[fleet gulch]

no, in the game

just press ` in the beta

and it opens the console

[normal crown]

ok

do you play against AI?

[fleet gulch]

no, there's nothing at all, just you and a bunch of low poly ships and you fly around

Probably just the menu area

[normal crown]

desert

[civic plover]

hey I can see my house!

[normal crown]

well than lmao it is justified

[normal crown]

you live in rocks?

[civic plover]

desert 👍

[fleet gulch]

Can't lie, from a distance they look really damn good

[normal crown]

$($(&#(@W?$

Finally wireless fishing

[civic plover]

just grab the fish with your hands

[fleet gulch]

Game is unplayable, textures that you'll never see are broken

[normal crown]

Because the game is only availbale for pre load

[fleet gulch]

No, because they are actually so far away you'd never see them otherwise

[normal crown]

still the gates of beta are closed

[fleet gulch]

What is this? A 2001 game?

[normal crown]

no its EA

bf h

[honest crane]

Delicious

[fleet gulch]

damn, that's nice lookin

[honest crane]

You can't eat it?

if only you could

[fleet gulch]

You do realize you're comparing a mission object, with a menu map that you'll never see close, right?

[normal crown]

I am posting screenshots of burger

[honest crane]

Hhhmmmmmmmm- no

[normal crown]

Deus Ex burger MD vs cyberpunk 2077 burger

In the year 2077 they make burgers out of wood

[honest crane]

And fries out of sticks

[normal crown]

Look at this insanely-detailed burger in Battlefield: Hardline

buy all 3 BF games for 10$ https://store.steampowered.com/bundle/15295/Battlefield_Bundle/

[fleet gulch]

so, this is the map we gon be playin on the beta, Uncy, we blowing up the rocket

[normal crown]

I dont have ea play

[plucky dune]

Rip

Preordered?

[manic hill]

http://bit.ly/DL2PreorderDiscord

[normal crown]

[normal crown]

no

worst part is

it's 1$

[plucky dune]

Rip

[normal crown]

But i'm not gonna waste 1 month

only for a 2 day beta

[plucky dune]

Well my friend

[normal crown]

So i'm just gonna get it when it releases

[plucky dune]

Cope then

[fleet gulch]

get gamepass lol

if you have ea play, you can play for 4 days, 2 if you don't have ea play or preorder

[normal crown]

yeah but i'm not gonna buy gamepass

to play 2 days

then waste the entire month

[fleet gulch]

play halo mcc with us

[normal crown]

i dont have

halo

and idk

i'd rather just

[fleet gulch]

get it on gamepass

There's so many games on gamepass, i'd be hard not to try some of em

[normal crown]

i had gamepass for 3 months

[normal crown]

On gamepass it is 168gb

[fleet gulch]

bf2042 or halo mcc?

cause halo mcc on gamepass for some reason downloads all the damn games

[normal crown]

Mcc

[fleet gulch]

Oh you want to play just reach? Here's CE,2 3 and 4 and you got no say in it lol

[normal crown]

Steam allows to download indivial part

Also I am a game collector so

[thick quarry]

should i gamble all of my apex coins on apex packs

[fleet gulch]

Do YOU want to gamble them?

[thick quarry]

i feel like yes but no at the same time

[fleet gulch]

most of the time when you have to ask someone else, it's prob not a good idea

[pastel orchid]

You can delete the games if you want

When you can open mcc

[pastel orchid]

[normal crown]

Can’t wait for bf2042 be free with amazon prime in 2-3 years

[fleet gulch]

YOOOOOO LES GO

WE PLAY TOMORROW

[ionic sun]

look at steam discussion on bf open beta

ppl are crying that they cant play

[fleet gulch]

At least you can explore the menu area

[deft badge]

lmao

[fleet gulch]

this guy needs some help tho

[stable crown]

Let's see if my pc can even run BF2042

[pastel orchid]

👍🏿

[fleet gulch]

Since we know what map we'll be playing on, do you wanna destroy the rocket?

That'll be my main goal in the beta

[pastel orchid]

I have no idea about map,guns,destroying rocket so yes why not

[deft badge]

when the open beta starts?

[ionic sun]

whats an open beta

[pastel orchid]

who

[normal crown]

something that vanguard did horribly wrong

[honest crane]

Who tf is Sora

[fleet gulch]

The MC from Kingdom Hearts

[honest crane]

Oh

[keen finch]

Tbh

The bf beta is bogus for non preorderers

[manic hill]

http://bit.ly/DL2PreorderDiscord

[keen finch]

Shut up Hakon

You get literally only one day

Which could literally be 80% downloading and 20% actual gameplay

I preordered so it’s not an issue but it’s kinda bogus

[fleet gulch]

people who didn't preorder can download it now too, it's only 20 gb in size

[keen finch]

Can they? I guess that makes it better then

[fleet gulch]

yep, it's just that they can't play it yet

[dire ferry]

Also this they massacred my boy

They gave doom eternal doomguy the doom 2016 pistol bruh

[hazy mauve]

They tried

I can't believe they added yet another anime sword boy to smash

[latent thicket]

any apex player here?

[dire ferry]

I was watching the reveal praying it would be master Chief or doomguy and I was so disappointed lmao

[hazy mauve]

I was hoping for justice for Waluigi

I haven't even played smash in forever and haven't gotten any of the new characters but I was hoping for something I actually gave a shit about

[dire ferry]

Honestly they added Steve I’m more than please with smash ultimate but damn I wish I had Chief or doomguy

[honest crane]

Time to watch the fun of Twitter's next big drama

[dire ferry]

Twitter is absolute chaos I’m sure

I saw one guy complain the entire fighters pass was all human characters

[halcyon quail]

from here on out, there will finally be no more drama over the next smash fighter clogging up your feeds.

[river trench]

who playing battlefield 2042 on oct 8

[ornate pond]

not me

[dire ferry]

Until next smash game

[halcyon quail]

[dire ferry]

When they reveal an fps character Twitter is gonna be so shit they will probably hunt down the voice actors

[normal crown]

no that is genshin community

we shash fans will kill the VA and no one will know

[halcyon quail]

"We"
Why would you admit this

[normal crown]

My only criticism with nier automata, atleast the pc port is that how much your movement speed is tied to the FPS. I get 25-30 FPS which is decently fast but then I watch a YouTube video with 100fps and people going super sonic speeds

[past laurel]

Anybody wanna play something?

If anyone wants to play something I'm getting on now. My steam is Illvminqries

[normal crown]

Let’s play real life

My kd is 1.2

:D

[livid warren]

Clean

[normal crown]

Free game https://register.ubisoft.com/ghostrecon-giveaway

[river shuttle]

Im thinking of getting Far Cry 6, has anyone played it yet?

[vernal crater]

https://gyazo.com/7b268ba03ef762bd12c9fe13602c5805 @fleet gulch

me when mk8 modded

[livid warren]

I think you should get it

So you can tell us if it's worth it

[honest crane]

Ooooooooorrrrrrr- you got youtube and IGN

[livid warren]

[fleet gulch]

Yooo, look what we found in bf2042

[mild kiln]

🤨

[honest crane]

👀

[normal crown]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_k6k8JZ9Gc

[dire ferry]

ubisoft

[icy quest]

Far cry 6 looks good

[normal crown]

So does cyberpunk

[normal crown]

I've never seen a more generic

BR game

[normal crown]

Living the Ubisoft life

Tom Clancy Enthusiast

[stable crown]

If Ghost Recon would still be a tactical shooter that would be pretty interesting

But they turned it into an open world action game

Kinda sucks

[molten pewter]

Sucks a lot in fact

[stable crown]

The old tom clancy's

Oh man

They seem like a lot of fun

[molten pewter]

Wow, had sooooo much fun

[stable crown]

What have they done to this franchise

[molten pewter]

No idea, I cried

[normal crown]

Let the ratio speak

[normal crown]

I will tell my kids that Tom Clancy used to be Solid single player franchise, not generic multiplayer

[somber marlin]

AC: Turned Into RPG
Splinter Cell: Abandoned
Far Cry : RPG
Watch Dogs: Lost its Identity and Dignity
And Now This Ghost Recon : Turned Into Battle Royale
How much can a company go downhill

[stable crown]

[molten pewter]

So true

[stable crown]

Ubisoft is so talented in ruining good franchises

[paper thicket]

@weary tendon @green jetty @leaden orchid @slate fossil completely normal arc complex playthrough

[slate fossil]

massive skill issue

[green jetty]

Yeah, that elevator has given me a problem or two as well. It's... a strange place.

[paper thicket]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/724303742848991284/885184086346448996/d4f.png

[vital vector]

Would you like to play ODST with us? @paper thicket :)

[random crane]

Anyone playing LoL?

[stable crown]

Me

[broken plume]

C:

[pastel orchid]

C:

[stable crown]

C:

[vital vector]

An average Vilkki in the wild will start playing the game usually 30 minutes after saying that he would play the game. @leaden orchid

[stable crown]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/577099808859357184/738130307114598492/death.gif

[stable crown]

That nick dodged a bullet

[fiery jackal]

what is everyone's favorite character from L4D?

[pastel orchid]

me when

[normal crown]

nick

[fiery jackal]

ellis

[livid warren]

candice

[paper thicket]

they were kil @weary tendon @green jetty @leaden orchid

[green jetty]

I like the ending. Sums up Battlemode quite well.

[vernal tiger]

This is the correct answer

Unless bill

[livid warren]

Actually surprised about the map size of the sinking city, didnt expect it to be open world

[weary tendon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/773297740901515264/877676236611137576/image0.gif

god tier tracking

[modern sky]

Coach is the best

[leaden orchid]

@vernal crater @umbral raven @vital vector Halo 4 has shit AI

[leaden orchid]

@paper thicket This is from some time ago

[plucky dune]

Weeeeee

[paper thicket]

2:19

[plucky dune]

Foolish man

BF2042 tonight boys

Australia should get access around 7 or 8pm

[leaden orchid]

@umbral raven @vernal crater @vital vector

[plucky dune]

That sentinel beam or vehicle part hauled ass at the end

[paper thicket]

@leaden orchid @vital vector

[leaden orchid]

I love how half of those clips are just us going AAAA-

[plucky dune]

That's usually the case when doing some premium gaming, my boy

Two thirds of what i've seen has been you and your partner doing a little trolling

[leaden orchid]

@paper thicket @vital vector

@patent otter @slate fossil @pastel orchid @vital vector

[pastel orchid]

[plucky dune]

Are there any masochistic Kenshi enjoyers here?

[outer ocean]

Despite its flaws

Halo four is one of my favorites next to three and reach

[leaden orchid]

Interesting

I still think the story is absolutely fine, even good

But there are definitely design issues as well as shitty gameplay that really hurts the experience

Fucking Promethean Knights are the worst things to ever exist

And segments where you're forced to used only Promethean weapons

Fucking JP

[outer ocean]

Yea

I don't know why but I loved it
Hopefully halo infinite is like a mix

Of 3 , 4 and reach

[outer ocean]

Yea that's one of the few things I didn't like honestly

[leaden orchid]

I hope Infinite is anything close to 3 and I'll be down with it

[outer ocean]

Same

[leaden orchid]

I just hope the music is great

It's like 50% of the experience for me

[outer ocean]

I hope its not like

redacted I don't wanna talk about that game

[outer ocean]

Same music is what sells or breaks the game

Sure your gameplay can be fun but if I don't have some cool music in the background it just isn't fun

[leaden orchid]

Well it can still be fun

Just nowhere near as fun as with music

[plucky dune]

7 HOURS LEFT

[plucky dune]

Halo Reach AI were great

[leaden orchid]

@paper thicket too

The last clip specifically

[paper thicket]

I wanted to do extra life for tag1 and I picked ultra-violence and played halfway through uac atlantica to realize I wasn't on extra life mode

oh well, at least I didn't die so I know I can do it.

now I have a save I can practice on

up to samur its gonna be managable

then its gonna be hell

I have to get my 40 deaths to a preferable 0

good UN practice too

[leaden orchid]

ez

[paper thicket]

I might do tag1 UN before anything else

even though

it first seemed the hardest

but the real tough part is the beginning of the main campaign

you cant quick switch

you dont have chaingun shield

and your only combos are the hardest in the game

precision bolt and sticky bomb

lmfao

I think I'll be fine on tag2 too with a little practice ahead on my main

the fights you have to do aren't that insane but they are about as hard as doom eternal gets regardless

the real insanity are the second escalation encounters

but somehow racked up more deaths in the tag1 samur fight than in all of tag2 encounters combined

its the fucking floating orbs that spark lightning

[leaden orchid]

I hated the samur fight in my first ever playthrough

[paper thicket]

I can manage some idiot possessed demon but two at the same time while blood maykrs snipe you with their shitpissfuck and you get mental asylum electrical therapy from the orbs

oh yeah... there is that double possessed marauder fight too. What the fuck.

Near the end of tag2

the game spawns screecher zombies in the arena

wait I dont think the marauders are buffed by default they just get that if u kill the zombie

but jesus christ you cant actually escape them if they are buffed

they run so fast to you they lock themselves in an animation cancel where they pull out the super shotgun and then prepare to strike with their melee and repeat

[leaden orchid]

@paper thicket The USG Ishimura

There's a Halo miniseries that's about an hour long total

Comparable to the Dead Space one

And so far I'm pretty sure there's flood on that ship

I wonder how much inspiration they took from DS for this story

[paper thicket]

@weary tendon @leaden orchid @green jetty ok

[leaden orchid]

floating chaingun floating chaingun

[weary tendon]

That frame perfect chainsaw lmao

[paper thicket]

[weary tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

[paper thicket]

[plucky dune]

The BF2042 soundtrack sounds like something straight out of a horror movie

I can also guarantee every single person will simultaneously look at the tornado on Orbital and say "Holy shit."

Gotta love it.

Where the enemy you were fighting a minute ago becomes nothing more than a fellow man trying desperately to not get chewed up by nature.

[leaden orchid]

@paper thicket The main character of the halo animation series is also voiced by the security officer from Dead Space Downfall

Definitely something happening here lol

I only made it 10 minutes into Downfall before I had to do something

I'll pick it back up rn

[rough monolith]

Uuuuuuuhhhhh among us, Minecraft, dark souls, god of war, fortnite, destiny, apex legends, league of legends, csgo, dead by daylight, valorant, don’t starve, the forest, Mario, smash, legend of Zelda, Spyro, Star Wars battlefront, cod, battlefield, baba is you, little nightmares, idk there’s probably other games but that’s all I could think of

[civic plover]

third one is really good 👍

where’s sekiro

[rough monolith]

I’m shitting my pants waiting for elden ring, still yet to beat sekiro I’m stuck on the owl

[civic plover]

which one

[rough monolith]

Fuck you fuck of go die fuck me fuck shit fuck

[civic plover]

👍

Ashina castle ?

[paper thicket]

@leaden orchid mm maybe I should watch downfall too

[leaden orchid]

@paper thicket I forgor

How

The bodies are reanimated in DS

Is it actually the marker or the Bretheren Moons THROUGH the markers

[past laurel]

Is Frontline PvP only?

[thick quarry]

i can go insane over this

[normal crown]

100 player battleroyale

[past laurel]

I ain't getting it then

[civic plover]

literally fortnite

Frontline = Fortnite

[normal crown]

you can build walls so yeah

[civic plover]

WHAT????

[normal crown]

Ubisoft

[past laurel]

If Frontline was gonna have an open world campaign, I would get it. I hate battle royale

[normal crown]

fuck you then
-ubisoft

[paper thicket]

the markers are just routers

[leaden orchid]

wifi extenders

unitologists plug them in to the sockets to turn them on

boom

free convergence for everyone

[broken plume]

I could really use one

[paper thicket]

the signal coming from the brethren moons telepathically is the equivalent of an internet connection and the markers are the equivalent of routers that channel the signal into minds of sentient beings and also create an aura around themselves where a pathogen is created in necrotic tissue.

the radius of that aura is called dead space

where all the tissue just becomes biomass free to mold into anything

outside of that when the pathogen enters a body it rapidly spreads into every cell making the signal able to take control of the entire body of biomass

if the tissue is not necrotic; dead. Then the signal targets living minds and makes unintelligent specimens crazy and kill each other to provide lots of bodies

and it makes intelligent individuals receive blueprints to create markers, and an obsession to do it.

the brethren moons are the perfect overpowered life form to the point their art of taking advantage of sentient life is ridiculously unmatched

even the flood is like

yeah you infect live things

its basically like a zombie virus except it has a collective knowledge that just needs to recompile itself when a giant body is created

but the one overpowered paranormal part of dead space brethren moons is the signal

its just something they do

nobody knows how they make it or why it works

[leaden orchid]

Yeah just wanted to refresh my mind

Makes sense

I would say the Flood we see are just the 1% potential that the Flood can actually achieve

The Flood are able to do ridiculous shit once they've hit certain levels of mass (planetary scales of mass)

To be able to trump the Forerunners in an all out war

As they assimilate any and all intelligence into their own and grow exponentially

The Flood Gravemind was able to talk the leading AI of the Forerunner to join it's side through superior intelligence

So all of the Forerunner's strength with that AI also turned sides

If you are deemed valueable enough your mind will be assimilated slowly and painfully as the Gravemind tears at your memories, instead of just being straight up converted like most combat forms in the game

[paper thicket]

yeah the major difference between the two is the fact that the brethren moons are just dudes. They do their thing naturally as far as its revealed. Its more like a species that isnt necessarily smarter than say humanity but they just have overpowered natural abilities beyond our grasp.
Whereas the flood has an insanely large bank of knowledge never disappearing and ever gathering since millions of years ago always waiting to unleash itself once the biomass is constructed into a body big enough to possess it.

[leaden orchid]

It's what happened to Keyes near the end of CE

[leaden orchid]

Yeah I like how distinctly different they are

And while there are tons of similarities they're ultimately functionally different

[paper thicket]

I wonder how the moons' mind works though

[leaden orchid]

True

Dead Space Remake needs to be great

So we can learn with new franchise

[paper thicket]

its possible they are like a single entity with multiple bodies like the vortigaunts but consider each other individuals physically

so like

after converge

when a moon is born

I wonder if its like another extension just appears for them

like growing another eye

or is it an entity that connects to a network

Im pretty sure it would make sense if an entity connected to another body because its all just dead to begin with

[leaden orchid]

True

[paper thicket]

a mind doesnt just appear if you make a big blob of neurons

[leaden orchid]

I'm pretty sure at the end of 3 Isaac and Carver kill one no?

And there are like 3 at the end of the DLC with the cliffhanger

[paper thicket]

yeah

I feel like

[leaden orchid]

There certainly must be a level of independence to them

[paper thicket]

the way necromorphs "die" is the biggest canon breaker in the games as a whole

[leaden orchid]

Even if a little

[paper thicket]

but its all there for gameplay

otherwise what would you even do lol

[leaden orchid]

I assume it's the Moons just disconnecting the body as it's useless with all it's limbs gone

And to focus on smth else

Though that in of itself suggests there's a limitation with their power

So I'm probably wrong

[paper thicket]

canonically necromorphs would be rendered harmless only at the point where EVERY SINGLE extremity connected to the center of mass is cut off and left a stump.

but in game they have hp bars

and die when 2 limbs are gone

or enough dmg is inflicted