🎯︱other-games

[lament hinge]

but still

the mere fact that is doable now is amazing

and it actually runs

[stable crown]

True

The scam videos like "Play GTAV on phone 2021 real" are actually starting to be real

[lament hinge]

hmm i dunno about gta V

unless the game gets ported to switch

also

get this shit @stable crown when DL gets released on switch you will be able to play it on phone

[stable crown]

It's so crazy to think about

[lament hinge]

ik

[stable crown]

The fact that phones are actually better than most of my laptops/pcs I had is incredible

[lament hinge]

essentially i think you can play doom 2016 on phone

how bad shit insane is that

huh

[stable crown]

yeah

[stable crown]

Well not yet, but we're approaching a time when we will be able to do it

[lament hinge]

ok im not lying

theres videos of ppls playing Doom 2016 on phones

O.O

[stable crown]

[lament hinge]

now granted its not with good fps but its running

[stable crown]

"But it's running" exactly

This is actualy friggin insane

[lament hinge]

theres many graphical errors thou

well i guess

if it haves these errors + the bad framerate

but still

the fact that its running in some form

[stable crown]

And the controls and responsivnes is probably abysmal, but this shouldn't even run on phones so

[lament hinge]

ok i looked up crysis remastered runs miles better and haves no errors

H O L UP

i see ppls playing RE6 on phones

<.<

O.O

[stable crown]

[timid wedge]

No way

[ornate pond]

"ayo whats your gaming setup"
"samsung galaxy 1534 gaming phone"

[lament hinge]

its real

[ornate pond]

proof or didnt happen

[lament hinge]

and its locked 30fps

the phone used is Xiaomi Mi 11

[ornate pond]

i meant video

[lament hinge]

https://youtu.be/OxG2aSbH0Kw

the first game is RE6

[timid wedge]

Phones are better than a nintendo switch? Lmao

[lament hinge]

i mean

this phone is more expensive than switch itself

so

[stable crown]

Yeah

Plus the controler

[lament hinge]

its prolly more powerfull

the cheapest one is like 560+ dollars

andhow much does the switch cost? 350 dollars?

[stable crown]

But at least you get more features than a switch

[lament hinge]

deffo

moden phones are like mini computers nowdays

just less powerfull

can wait to see if DL would be playable on phone

now that would be borderline insanity

https://youtu.be/EHwsWVlxU4k

is this not bad shit insane

[stable crown]

And it's playable

Not only does it run, but it's playable

[lament hinge]

insane

[stable crown]

GTA Online runs worse than this

[lament hinge]

now i highly doubt it will run well crysis 2 and 3 remastered

given how doom looks and runs on the phone

@stable crown crysis 3 remastered runs and looks better on the switch compared to the original console it was released on initilly

isnt that insane

[stable crown]

What the hell

[lament hinge]

@stable crown #🎯︱other-games message

[stable crown]

Holy shit

[lament hinge]

theres whole video

analisis

[pastel orchid]

@vital vector

[lament hinge]

@stable crown watch the video, im baffled

[ornate pond]

letsgoo

coom bucket revolution has started i believe

[pastel orchid]

[lament hinge]

🤣

[civic plover]

imagine playing cod

[long escarp]

play ultrakill

[pastel orchid]

Imagine making your pfp cow

[long escarp]

its not cod and it doesnt take up 200 gbs of space

[civic plover]

shut up serhat

[pastel orchid]

I'm waiting steam sale

[slate fossil]

YEEEEEEEEE

killed isshin

[civic plover]

AYE YOOO

[pastel orchid]

:O

[civic plover]

how long did it take

[long escarp]

most it will go is 15% prob

[pastel orchid]

I have lots of space

[slate fossil]

all together maybe like

[pastel orchid]

Well done Doktor

[slate fossil]

3-4 hours

[civic plover]

oh shit

[slate fossil]

def hardest bossfight in the game

[civic plover]

it took me 3 days

[pastel orchid]

4 phase

day ruined

[slate fossil]

imagine

[civic plover]

isshin is literally the embodiment of a boss

[pastel orchid]

Which ending

[slate fossil]

i was mentally prepared for it

idk im gonna see

games paused

right after i sliced his head off

[civic plover]

lol

it’s like a weight being lifted off your shoulders

[slate fossil]

immortal severence ending

[pastel orchid]

you bastard

||You killed the dude

[civic plover]

it’s a dude

[slate fossil]

its a dude

serhat 2iq

[vital vector]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/730915181235798060/878302935937871882/Jerma_just_cant_make_it_sadge.gif

[slate fossil]

i can get outfits

and do other challenges

but first i have to kill demon of hatred

[civic plover]

do the ashina gauntlet

[slate fossil]

hes a optional boss i missed

[civic plover]

i did not dare fight demon of hatred

[pastel orchid]

shut up

[civic plover]

accept the truth serhat

[pastel orchid]

Please cow shut up

[civic plover]

[tidal osprey]

would you like the shit car for 21.6 grand

[split folio]

Shit car

Shit car

[ornate pond]

aaaaaadhgcdf

[civic plover]

you can make a cardboard car!1!1!1

[runic topaz]

@green jetty I bet you see your Gauss slow now

[vital vector]

Grendel gaming.

[green jetty]

Yeah, he is very slow when running across the water instead of drowning in it.

[runic topaz]

Get on my level noob

It was longer but discord only allow 100mb max

[green jetty]

I don't know, Clod. This is what a solo speedbuild Gauss can do.
https://youtu.be/eRCp2mhixe0?t=77

[runic topaz]

Yeah but the question is.. you can?

[green jetty]

Absolutely.

[runic topaz]

Proof or fake

[green jetty]

I guess we'll just have to race and see what happens.

[runic topaz]

I still have your gauss videos but I need to crop them before send otherwise it doesn't let me

[green jetty]

Just lower the bitrate and resolution.

[runic topaz]

Make me

No but it's like a 1 min video when you just run 10 seconds

Because you take a lot to set up

STOP THE COOKIE GAME

[green jetty]

The bakery must grow!

[lament hinge]

thats cool ngl

kinda sonic

@near coral

[runic topaz]

Sadly you can only do that in the open map, in closed spaces you crash with everything at that speed

[lament hinge]

well i guess now WF is focusing on open world design

[runic topaz]

I read somewhere they where planning to add a 4th open map on Neptune, water based. Maybe it's cap but it's by far the maps which I enjoy the most

Not for missions tho, just for try those things xD

[lament hinge]

made up

the next open world comes after new war

with these new aliens

in the void

[runic topaz]

The new war trailer they showed for tennocon was awesome, with that grineer which I don't remember the name against sentients

Kal something

I really wanna see how the story continues and the Lotus fate

[lament hinge]

i hope we get a choice to kill her

after all shes an enemy

[chilly dock]

wow

[lament hinge]

[civic plover]

fuck

[dark root]

Poo

horizon forbidden west collector's sold out in 10 mins dying light 2 took nearly a month

[lament hinge]

@covert heron baddest bitch on the street

[tidal osprey]

noooooo he fall

[normal crown]

@green jetty new kf2 update

The new Saints Row gameplay is literally Saints Row

Why are people mad

[civic plover]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-falling-fast-gif-18043850

[terse forge]

I could be wrong but I think it’s the characters and story that are pissing people off

But idk

[pastel orchid]

Because It's not saints row

[normal crown]

??

[pastel orchid]

??

[normal crown]

Saints Row story was always mediocre

speaking of characters people would have complained they are recycling characters

devs try something new and people go mad

(trying something new does not mean turning a tactical shooter into a fast paced zombie shooter)

[near coral]

Can depend on many different things;
-How many collector's editions there are.
-How many countries and places they're sold at.
-How many jump in to buy them.
Etc...

So how fast CE's run out can be because of any number of reasons.

[normal crown]

...

PS5 ran out in 3 seconds your point?

are these guys selling photomode poses for deluxe edition

[dark root]

Genshin impact 🤮

Ps5s took a good day or two to sell out

[normal crown]

loli alloy

[normal crown]

you misspelled seconds

[dark root]

[dark root]

Australia 😎

[normal crown]

I will muder someone and steal his wallet to buy devil may cry 5

[dark root]

Do it

[normal crown]

yeee

[dark root]

But most CE either take a couple hours, days or weeks to sell out here

[normal crown]

eeeeeey.....

[dark root]

So cheap bruh smh buy it

[normal crown]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/324353708266?hash=item4b84fcd0ea:g:aOAAAOSwthtfmyjo

deal?

[dark root]

But dang does shit really sell out fast for you in the US?

[near coral]

There's always one or more reasons for it.
There's also company size, independent or not, etc etc.

[dark root]

Im just shocked. I never seen something sell out this fast for me

[near coral]

Merely hearing/seeing CE editions getting sold out in the same area but from different games is one thing.

Unless one knows the EXACT numbers to compare stuff, no way to know why or how etc.

[dark root]

I wish i knew the numbers

[normal crown]

@normal crown Zero Hour coop mission 3

I am on low graphics becasue discord wasn't allowing high

they were "unappropriate"

[civic plover]

weee

[normal crown]

Ohhh weeeeee

[ornate pond]

gorg

[civic plover]

that’s funny now go play dark souls

arc

[ornate pond]

we play Minecraft some day, yes?

[normal crown]

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-sad-crying-upset-cry-gif-15550145

[civic plover]

i do not mind

[ornate pond]

ez

[civic plover]

[ornate pond]

not rn tho

gonna go to bed

[civic plover]

good night tv head

[ornate pond]

good night cow man

[civic plover]

cow

[normal crown]

flexing on cyberpunk

[fleet gulch]

Should I hop on GTA Vice City and do the same?

[normal crown]

Hop on half life 1

[fleet gulch]

Don't have it

[normal crown]

Hop on gangster mafia free mobile game

https://youtu.be/BAZ9A26i8ZI

[normal crown]

I won’t lie

I actually am kinda excited for B4B

[normal crown]

Bruh

ok

[lament hinge]

@normal crown i can find you a game from the 90's with better bullet splashes in the water than CP77
what does this mean? the recources and budget went into something else

[pastel orchid]

[lament hinge]

@normal crown

[normal crown]

[normal crown]

Imagine not taking a joke

[normal crown]

[normal crown]

“Battlefield 6”

Even Pokemon had better water splashes

[paper thicket]

What

[lament hinge]

[paper thicket]

I dont get it

Why does it say nvidia on the gravestone

[normal crown]

Ask fugana

[paper thicket]

Please

Someone explain

[lament hinge]

well i guess youre new to crysis memes

crysis games burry your GPU in the ground

[normal crown]

[paper thicket]

Yes I am

But why are other games being buried with the gpu

[lament hinge]

welcome to 40FPS on the strongest gpu out there

https://youtu.be/o6HkNgGkwas?t=115

[paper thicket]

[normal crown]

40 fps ??!?!?!

How tf

[lament hinge]

granted

its 4K

but rtx 3080 was made for 4K gaming to begin with

[paper thicket]

Optimization issue

[normal crown]

Looks better then coldwar

[lament hinge]

dunno its optimization issue

the gpu is at 99%

if it was at 80 or bellow id say its optimization issue

digital foundry even talks about this how well the game scales

[normal crown]

My laptop cant run Unturned at 20 fps

[lament hinge]

thou

there was interview with an intel gaming channel recently

they talked how they worked closely with the devs to make cpu utilization improvements for the second and third game
and apperantly the results are pretty good

[buoyant moon]

Damn they flexin that unoptimised game

[lament hinge]

youd be surprised

its not unoptimized

quite the opposite

[buoyant moon]

If Titanfall 2 gets 6k in some areas at 60fps on the xbox one x, your game is probably unoptimised

[lament hinge]

it doesnt work like that at all

[normal crown]

Titan fall 2

Titan fall 2 gud tho

[buoyant moon]

It does because titanfall 2 is faster the gameplay is faster and for it running better and looking better is like a double win

[fleet gulch]

Why is Last of Us 2 there? It never ran on an nvidia chipset so we can't put it there

[normal crown]

My man has titanfall 3 already

[buoyant moon]

The cry engine is way to graphicaly demanding

[normal crown]

Makes ur pc cry

[lament hinge]

put 2 metre long grass everywhere on the map, have each leaf of grass physically interracting with the world and watch the fps go to toilet

want to see that in the titanfall engine 😛

[buoyant moon]

I mean that happens on every game lmao

[lament hinge]

and thats where you are wrong, it doesnt

[normal crown]

The Stage where u Use the time travel

[buoyant moon]

Its the source engine

[normal crown]

No way it can run that well

If u use thingy

[lament hinge]

crysis 3 is known for its insane grass rendering and utilization

[buoyant moon]

So is rocket league atleast one football stadium

[lament hinge]

yes you dont understand whats the difference 😛

the grass in these 2 games work completely different

[normal crown]

And th. Last titan fall 2 mission IS not gonna run well , It will fry that xbox Like its a Egg

[buoyant moon]

I do crisis 3 has like 2 meter tall grass and enemies and animations and lensflares and particles effects and huge mech robot things

And all that might be a little too much for a single level with multiple areas

[lament hinge]

its not that
each struck of grass haves real time physics from almost everything

unlike any other game

this is uber taxing on the cpu

check this image for example

the cpu has to calculate the physix interraction with each struck/leave

unlike in every other games where grass interracts on groups and not by individual leave

[fleet gulch]

Yeah, but it's not each their own individual thing, that would destroy any hardware out there, if you saw how hair physics works in games, this is basically the same

[lament hinge]

its each their own ndividual thing, yes

i mean you have to play and see

[paper thicket]

Rust has grass displacement from players and items and it only affects the actual area that is the size of the particular item when its dropped into grass or the spots where the player's foot landed and people are running it just fine.

[lament hinge]

i dont see rust having the LOD or the graphics of crysis 3 😛

[buoyant moon]

Crisis 3 doesent come close to metro exodus or other recently released singleplayer fps games

[lament hinge]

when you put all the graphically demanding settings it gets uber heavy

[lament hinge]

okay

[paper thicket]

Rust has pretty good graphics and lod levels so high it's categorized "experimental" in the settings

[buoyant moon]

While its cool to have fully animated grass lighting is something that can really make a diffrents in a scene in metro exodus

[fleet gulch]

If each strand of grass would be their own individual thing in the game, no current pc would have the power to run it. It has to be that the grass is made in groups and used as a particle that has only 2 functions: Sway randomly and detect when entity moves in it and it sways to the side

[normal crown]

This is the coolest creature in ark survival evolved (don't mind the polygons and bad textures, ark is not that well polished)

[buoyant moon]

The screen tearing is insane

[lament hinge]

well i guess than rust looks better than this

[normal crown]

Ark sucks

[normal crown]

Finally a multi functioning electronic

[normal crown]

What????

[covert heron]

[lament hinge]

experimetnal says pretty much nothing
Crysis 1 remaster haves unlimited LOD and they dont call it experimental
granted its absurly taxing but they enabled it

[normal crown]

Console + electric insulator

You narrow it down pretty badly

Reinstalling fallout 4

[fleet gulch]

Metro Exodus Enhanced Edition is still better looking

[normal crown]

Too many mods straigt up crash the game

[lament hinge]

well you are comparing a game from 2013 with a game from 2019

metro exodus aim was top tier graphics as well

it has to have better graphics

[fleet gulch]

And boy, they delivered

[lament hinge]

they did

[fleet gulch]

Crysis 3 Remaster has a tough opponent to defeat

[lament hinge]

they never said they will beat every game in graphics 😛

their statement was

cpu optimizations and stability

when it comes to C3

theres isnt much to remaster over there

they have to make a complete remake of the game and not remaster

[fleet gulch]

Which of the remaster has: But can it run Crysis? Quality option?

[lament hinge]

the first one

it basically removes the lod limiters

and good luck

i think it also applies for the ray tracing

[normal crown]

It’s a “remaster” not a remake

[lament hinge]

yepp

some ppls got angry

cos the first crysis remaster isnt using the latest cryengine

😄

thats not a remaster, that would be a remake

[normal crown]

People expect remaster to fucking reinvent the 3rd wheel

[fleet gulch]

With what they showed, Dead Space Remake has a chance of being one of the most graphically intensive games

[normal crown]

Best to expect from remaster is big fixes and all dlcs

[lament hinge]

not really but it does look much better than the vanill game

[normal crown]

At this point I can’t tell difference between remake and reboot

[fleet gulch]

Remake: Same Story, better graphics
Reboot: Better Graphics, different story

[buoyant moon]

Optimizing games will be alot easier with machine learning and dlss

[lament hinge]

i dunno what the machine learning part will do

[normal crown]

Uhh

[lament hinge]

dlss is instant solution that doesnt work all that well for the uber demanding parts

[normal crown]

Yes

[normal crown]

But 😦

[lament hinge]

did you saw crysis 3 running on nintendo switch?

😛

insane

[buoyant moon]

Machine learning can be built to a degree where the program tries out every instance of something and automatically scales down textures at a certain distance

[lament hinge]

thats not how optimization works

its about going trough the code of the game and removed or shortening the lines of code for the most parts

[normal crown]

I have GRIM enb + shadow of commonwealth ready to install

[lament hinge]

implementing new modern lines and removing bloats

[strange wadi]

Optimizing means to transform a truck into an autobot

To fight galvatron

[buoyant moon]

No it aint thats just for making the file size smaller

[strange wadi]

And the other decepticons

[lament hinge]

you can technically optimiza a game while implementing better and higher res textures

for example

[normal crown]

So you are saying fox engine is a technical masterpiece

[lament hinge]

thats what they did with crysis 2

by your logic

they have to downgrade the graphics of C2

but they didnt

[umbral raven]

crysis remastered was bad wasn't it?

[lament hinge]

they increased it and put new technologies while making it run better

[strange wadi]

Leg end

[buoyant moon]

At a certain distance grass doesent need to be as detailed as when you stad right next to it

[normal crown]

Yes

[strange wadi]

My neighbour

[normal crown]

Degraded lighting

[umbral raven]

DaFloppa

[strange wadi]

yes

[normal crown]

Fallout 4 fucking broke the creation engine

[buoyant moon]

And there needs to be work done to get to a perfect middle ground between resolution or fidelity and distance to a player

[normal crown]

Mf can’t make an engine

[strange wadi]

I kinda want to play FO4 now

[lament hinge]

nope it wasnt bad
it was a vert good remaster
its just that they changed some things here and there

[strange wadi]

Change deez nuts

[umbral raven]

other ppl said no

🤷‍♂️

[vital vector]

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-jerma985-jerma-dance-jerma-getting-it-in-jerma-groove-gif-22774674

[umbral raven]

and so?

[lament hinge]

some ppls say that DL2 is a bad game
you agree?

same stuff

[strange wadi]

@umbral raven do you play destiny

[normal crown]

Troy is now available on PC

[strange wadi]

Yes

[lament hinge]

[umbral raven]

ye but thing is, a LOT of ppl disliked the remaster

[vital vector]

Well, we don't know yet. We'll see when it's out.

[umbral raven]

ppl who hate dl 2 are a vocal minority

[strange wadi]

Let us pray that there is Armenia DLC

[lament hinge]

its their opinion
they are disappointed since they expected a complete remake in cryengine 5.6

[umbral raven]

we'll see tho since dl2 didn't even come out

[umbral raven]

i see

[strange wadi]

Btw did UE5 come out yet

[vital vector]

Steam is refusing to confirm that I have Skyrim installed.

[lament hinge]

@umbral raven if you are going to take the opinions of the idiots online
take this opinion as well
ppls legit claim that the crysis trilogy isnt coming to PS5 and Xbox one X despite that the game is selling on these platforms
reason? the game isnt natively coded with the PS5 and Xbox X API

so in their view its not a remaster at all

they are saying taht the developers are lying about the remastered trilogy and should be held accountable

🤡

[strange wadi]

GTA expanded and enhanced

[strange wadi]

Weak argument, i have. Clown emoji, must i use

[umbral raven]

I saw some videos that made good points abt it being a let down, was a long time ago tho so I don't really remember

[strange wadi]

[umbral raven]

those ppl have nothin to do with the ones that disliked the remasters, thats just flat out misinformation

[lament hinge]

you can make good and valid points about anything
but we have to be objective about things

[strange wadi]

Todd

[umbral raven]

well honestly I can't really have a solid opinion about the remaster since I didn't play it myself but it doesn't look like im going to, lol

[vital vector]

He didn't even try to attack me.

[lament hinge]

well i can show you a simple example
if i can find it fast

[strange wadi]

Legend can you gift me something

[lament hinge]

and you will be the judge

[umbral raven]

no

[strange wadi]

Ight thanks

[umbral raven]

no need for me to judge anythig

my opinion simply does not matter

[vital vector]

[strange wadi]

Leave that to game reviewers

[lament hinge]

yes the same ppls that gave DL1 6/10's
and said game turned out to be a cult classic and the best open world zombie game

[vital vector]

The same people that also gave CP77 a good rating in its early stages.

[lament hinge]

there was backlash for witcher 3 as well
initially

if you remember

[vital vector]

I don't know about Witcher games that much, never bothered with them.

Well, I did, once.
Bought Witcher 3, played for like 15 minutes and refunded it.

[strange wadi]

[lament hinge]

yes

dont expect amazing gameplay from the CDPR games

[strange wadi]

@normal crown

[strange wadi]

Wasn't that why TW3 was loved?

[lament hinge]

for the gameplay?

lol no

many ppls think its meh at best and i dont disagree with them

i personally like the combat in W2 more than in W3

[livid warren]

Gameplay is meh in tw3

[strange wadi]

[stable crown]

Honestly CP has great gameplay

The guns are really fun to use

[lament hinge]

i completely agree

i love the weapons

melee is kinda disappointing for me but i cant compare the melee from DL to CP77

these games had different goals completely

[stable crown]

Melee has some really weird finisher animations

[lament hinge]

yeah

mantis baldes look sick

but feels weird

[paper thicket]

What are you saying? There's a reason why the category exists and it's because settings in it are usually so demanding they can affect otherwise stable performance, so yeah it must mean nothing. I read about the "can it run crysis" mode and I dont think its an individual setting but just a limitation that gets turned off when you enable that entire mode of graphics. So yeah obviously it's not going to be in some special category because the whole thing is a fucking joke.

[steel crow]

did you know: Froge are best animal because they go boinkt and ribbit

[lament hinge]

@paper thicket "I read about the "can it run crysis" mode and I dont think its an individual setting but just a limitation that gets turned off when you enable that entire mode of graphics. So yeah obviously it's not going to be in some special category because the whole thing is a fucking joke." so you are completely missinformed

[paper thicket]

How so

[lament hinge]

can it run crysis isnt a mode

its a LOD limiter removal for all individual setting

[paper thicket]

So it is a mode.

[lament hinge]

it isnt a mode

it just removed lod limiters that are put in place

if you call that a mode

than every stage of the options are individual modes

[fleet gulch]

@vital vector Starting your 5th Skyrim playtrough

[paper thicket]

You're basically saying "It's not a bicycle, it just moves on two wheels with one powered by pedals."

[lament hinge]

and i dont get your point 😛

[vital vector]

[paper thicket]

Of course you don't, might help to grasp analogies

[lament hinge]

yes, please

[normal crown]

@strange wadi

[strange wadi]

Yes

[normal crown]

Whut is happeing

[fleet gulch]

First of all, there is no such thing as removing lod limiter, it's disabling it all together. Basically, all the models on the screen are at max resolution, which is why it's so taxing and hard to run

[strange wadi]

I pinged you because you are epic witcher gamer

[fleet gulch]

LOD usually makes models further away have lower poly count and lower texture quality, removing it makes all models load in at the same quality as the model being right next to you

[lament hinge]

well i gues you know better than the developers of the game

[paper thicket]

But it literally removes the thing that determines "a stage" in the first place? If having one and not having one are considered two different modes Imo, then how in the world would it mean each level of settings would be its own mode apparently using my logic

[lament hinge]

i think you are confusing some things here

[fleet gulch]

They just trynna sell fancy words

[lament hinge]

you have stages for almost everything
and each one can be amnipulated sepparately

basically

you can put shadows to low LOD and tree max texture LOD to infinite

it isnt just 1 button that lifts everything all together

[paper thicket]

The max graphics mode of crysis remastered removes exactly that, which is why its pretty much a joke. No matter the distance everything is rendered as if you were planting your face on it.

[normal crown]

@vital vector the witcher 3 is great but not for everyone

[lament hinge]

it isnt a joke

thats what ppls wanted 😄 😄

if you have the insane pc to run at these settings okay
but as of currently there isnt
i think

[paper thicket]

Yep cock

[fleet gulch]

Pretty much, they removed the optimization

[paper thicket]

[lament hinge]

with later patches they gave the can it run crysis setting for ray tracing as well
so you can only imagine

[lament hinge]

LOD and optimization are different things

[paper thicket]

Fugana what

Its literally part of optimizing performance

[normal crown]

Silly vilkki

[paper thicket]

Reducing polygons at distance

[fleet gulch]

It's literally part of optimization

[lament hinge]

you can have near you LOD and the game to be badly optimized
or have 500+ metres LOD's with great optimization

[lament hinge]

it isnt

[paper thicket]

@fleet gulch

[lament hinge]

i mean reducing LOD improves your FPS sure but it isnt optimizing the game or anything

the game still runs the same way

optimization would be if the devs went trough the code

removing bloats and shortening it

[fleet gulch]

Found the article, they never said Unlimited LoD, they said Unlimited view distance

[normal crown]

😨

[lament hinge]

yep

lifting the limiters

it doesnt run well even on the best hardware today

[fleet gulch]

Can it Run Crysis basically got rid of all the best optimization methods

[lament hinge]

LOD's*

[fleet gulch]

Not having LoD, not having a view distance limit, everything being loaded at all times, of course it will be hard to run, they basically got rid of optimization, that's why it runs so bad

[lament hinge]

its not lifting optimizations

its lifting lod limiters

they cant lift optimizations

unless they are going and bloating the game code with useless stuff

which isnt the case

[fleet gulch]

Bruh, that's not how optimization works

[lament hinge]

LOD's optimizes it for your hardware but not for how the game runs

[fleet gulch]

Yeah going in and tidying up the code can have some performance boosts, but the optimization is mostly done using LoD, Render Distance, Hiding objects not in view, unloading far away models

[lament hinge]

this is where you are wrong
optimizing means going trough the game's code, removing useless bloat and leftovers
which is a lot of work usually
will lowering the LOD improve your fps? sure but the game still runs at the same pase as before, your hardware can just render it faster

[fleet gulch]

Hardware today is powerful enough for developers to not really need to optimize the code as much, so they mostly do it by the methods mentioned above

[lament hinge]

they dont

[paper thicket]

[lament hinge]

they allways try to optimize the code else it will run like a mess

[normal crown]

Vilkki u good dude?

[lament hinge]

@fleet gulch if youre interested at all, timestamped https://youtu.be/9cHTdbsA9ew?t=192

[worn tapir]

Crysis

[lament hinge]

talking about optimizing the game for modern platforms and mobile like devices

[worn tapir]

I have a free copy of the remaster but it's for Epic Games store 🤮

[lament hinge]

they worked closely with intel to optimize things

[normal crown]

Fortnite better -🤓

[pliant cypress]

It's da bois mates 😎

2 games in one

TF2 + Gmod

[normal crown]

Roblox better-👶

[pliant cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/notmygif-roblox-noob-gif-11494496

[normal crown]

dark souls is hit 1 roll 5 times type of game, kinda boring

[livid warren]

Lmao

[normal crown]

I talk fax

@civic plover

[livid warren]

[sweet pike]

another one

[mint spindle]

GTA Online gaming

RDR2 storymode gaming

RD Online gaming

[lament hinge]

https://i.imgur.com/2exnpbz.jpeg

[fleet gulch]

@river trench Starfield does not have that big a fan base, yeah it's Bethesda but it's a new IP, and we saw what happened to their last games. Unlike FromSoftware, they have made Banger after Banger, Sekiro managed to get GOTY, and Elden Ring does seem to be capable of doing so too if FromSoftware nails the gameplay and story again

[river trench]

I guess you have a point there in terms of goty

From software is seriously on a roll

miyazaki knows what his games need

[mint spindle]

Saints Row The Third better

[fleet gulch]

It's like, when you're listening to your loyal fanbase and not alienating them because some offended guy on twitter said something is a good business model

[mint spindle]

End of conversation, I win

👍

[river trench]

[river trench]

[terse forge]

From software is truly one of the only few companies that manage to constantly hit the mark without doing any BS monihtazation, and I have gained a lot of respect for them

[sand elk]

https://twitter.com/battlefield/status/1433807020495343625?s=21

Battlefield (@Battlefield)

More gameplay. And more to come.
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I don’t wanna see a single one of you guys shittalking DL2’s animations while hyping this game up

[normal crown]

dark souls is hit 1 roll 5 times type of game, kinda boring

[normal crown]

but i mean do you have to unoptimize the game that much to feed players request

MGSV (again) has no pop ups but but run smoothly. I am talking about the african map

[fleet gulch]

One is a story focused game focused on parkour, while the other is a clusterfuck of 128 players

[normal crown]

I can understand minimal recoil due it being arcade shooter but god have a little reallistic bounce back for guns

[lament hinge]

MGSV map is almost empty 😄

theres barely anything on it

[normal crown]

have you seen the africa map

[lament hinge]

ahh i forgot africa map exists

[normal crown]

and even if it is empty it runs at 60fps on highest settings on my pc while opera gx open discord running and and a 20gb game installing from steam

[stable crown]

Pretty accurate to the setting

Besides it's probably because of Konami

Cheap scates

[lament hinge]

are they thou?

[stable crown]

Yes

Absolutely

They cut Kojima's budget

[lament hinge]

for how many years was the game in development?

[stable crown]

A lot

[lament hinge]

like?

[stable crown]

Not that long, and the developement was going smoothly, but than they cut the budget and it all went to hell

[lament hinge]

well

for how many years

[stable crown]

Can't find the video but 6 years

[lament hinge]

well consider this

for 6 years they have 2 almost empty maps with almost nothing happening on them

i mean

any published wouldve been confused

[stable crown]

Not really, there are a lot of buildings and outposts, and seeing as you're probably gonna extract every mission or so there wasn't really a point in filling the map with stuff to do

Plus it's accurate to the setting

[lament hinge]

anyone can put countless buildings on map
but whats the point when theres no content arround it
that was what Smektala said about DL2

[stable crown]

Yup, and they were planning on putting more content, but again konami cut the budget

[normal crown]

still the best open world, makes you think

[stable crown]

They cut a whole chapter because of the budget cut

In an entirely new island

[lament hinge]

its the worst open world if you ask me
empty, nothing to do in

[normal crown]

story after 47% was dogshit

[stable crown]

With a bunch of cutsecenes that were mostly finshed

[stable crown]

Yup

[normal crown]

mgsv has alot of mechanics to toy around with. It is your lack of creativity to fully utilize them

[lament hinge]

you can say this for every open world game

[normal crown]

for the first time metal gear story didn't matter to me because the gameplay was solid

[normal crown]

not every open world game has 50+ ways to tackal a situation

[lament hinge]

you ment to say 50+ angles from which you can enter the same base?

[normal crown]

no that is in thousands no

[stable crown]

You can see most of the budget went for the AI, mechanics and story with high quality cutscenes

[lament hinge]

well i guess starring at the sunset is that much expensive, budget wise

[stable crown]

And than 50+ ways you can take out the entire base

[lament hinge]

or sitting in a chopper talking about stuff

i think

[normal crown]

people choose the most boring "snipe from a distance" way

like why

[lament hinge]

they put more effort into Quite bending over than the main characters doing movements in cutscenes

thats how i felt

[normal crown]

you are boring yourself

[normal crown]

funny thing is you can totally eradicate quite in ch11 if you want too

it is your choice

[lament hinge]

and not see more than half of the budget that went into mocaping

[normal crown]

what

[lament hinge]

😄

[normal crown]

you are saying like budget of mario odyssey went in cappy animation

[lament hinge]

if you want meaningfull open world that isnt just a desert and in which you ca approach situations from more angles than MGS5 can ever dream of
i highly reccomend you try CP77 😛

[normal crown]

if have never seen a woman i highly reccomend you touch grass

[lament hinge]

okay

[stable crown]

Okay I'm sorry but now that's just ignorant

[normal crown]

this man just shitted on mgsv and reccomended me cyberpunk

[stable crown]

As much as I love CP it doesn't have nearly as many mechanics and ways of apporaching enemies

[normal crown]

like even if it was any far cry game i would have let you go

[lament hinge]

i dunno how im shitting on a game when im just pointing out its shortcomings that hurt it at the end
hence we got unfinished game

[strange wadi]

Did you say CP has more ways to approach enemies than cp

[stable crown]

The uh

What

[strange wadi]

MGS5*

[stable crown]

Oh

Yeah ikr

[strange wadi]

My bad

If they kept the wallrunning

Maybe

[normal crown]

does cyberpunk has a 2 types of rocket launching arm

[stable crown]

Maybe they would be a tiny bit closer, but still far away

[normal crown]

and 200+ standard armed weapons

[stable crown]

From having the freedom of MGSV

[lament hinge]

i think its atually 4

or 3

i forgot

[normal crown]

and a fucking worm hole to kidnap russians

or even a baloon

[stable crown]

It has one rocket launching arm upgrade, mantis blades and gorilla arms

[normal crown]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-solid-mgs-box-rocket-punch-robot-arm-gif-18131697

[stable crown]

And each have 3 raryties I think

[lament hinge]

but each one has its variations thou
at least 3 from what i remember

but i think from memory

that the cyberlink had no variations

the 4th arm

[normal crown]

does it has this

[stable crown]

What variations do you mean? I only ever used mantis blades and gorilla arms so I'm not familiar with the laucher

[normal crown]

I won't be suprised if kojima invented boxes to promote mgs1

[lament hinge]

i mean if thats all there to it
kinda bad, dont you think

[stable crown]

Oh you mean the ammo types?

[normal crown]

if i typed it all my 4000 word limit will end

[lament hinge]

send me in dm

[normal crown]

no

[lament hinge]

ok

[normal crown]

i can't type that much

Just watch a 5 hour youtube video or sum idk

play the game

-reggie

[lament hinge]

i did thou

[normal crown]

for more than 6 hours

and like learn it

[lament hinge]

well i finished it so

[normal crown]

well i finished it 3 times and found the poster system exists untill now

[lament hinge]

great

[stable crown]

The reason for MGSV's success is the gameplay by far, and I agree it's no perfect game by any means, but it ain't kojima's fault, it's konami's

It's lacking in some places

[normal crown]

it was my goty 2015

[stable crown]

But the gameplay is so good it carries the game

[terse forge]

Very much agreed

[normal crown]

witcher 3 can frick off

[stable crown]

And actually the story is really good as well, until chapter 2

[normal crown]

my man kojima comes in with the phantom cigar

[normal crown]

"you have some blood to pay me back first"

[lament hinge]

dunno what carried if anything carried MG5 at all, i expected cool final boss at least or something
but it got cut short in the middle
thou i like the flashines of that robot boss

[normal crown]

But let's think was mgsv even required to finish the lore

mgs4 just did all that

mgsv was just a cool little open world tactical game

it is my 5th best game

[lament hinge]

nice

[normal crown]

4th is dishonored 2

mgsv could re release rn and mechanic wise still defeat the competition

[lament hinge]

i mean i think nobody is trying to make third person open world tactical games nowdays

at least i havent heard of such recently

[normal crown]

and if they are they are just pvp

and pay to win

[lament hinge]

think theres no appeal to it

if there was someone wouldve made it

[normal crown]

funny thing is mgsv has a detailed first person revolver animation being a TPS

meanwhile black ops

[normal crown]

nah the industry is scared to try something new

[lament hinge]

i dont play COD games so i dunno

their strenght is somewhere else

[normal crown]

ubisoft is the most scarred

[normal crown]

well if you see their aren't many TPS any more

rockstar games?

[lament hinge]

or Kojima couldve made another open world tactical epsionage game
but instead

[normal crown]

walking sim very positive on steam

[stable crown]

If there was no appeal to open world tactical games MGSV wouldn't have sold so well

[normal crown]

6 million copies

[lament hinge]

well are there sales numbers

[normal crown]

imagine if they used the earned money to make a new ending as paid DLC

[stable crown]

3 million in the first 5 days of release

[normal crown]

it sold 100k in india, in india only rocksttar games sell, so.......

[stable crown]

By december of 2015 the game sold 6 million

[lament hinge]

that is the IP name alone
the game was not recieved well at release
ppls dissliked it for the most parts
thats how i remember it

[normal crown]

**physical copies

[stable crown]

It was also nominated for a shit ton of awards

[normal crown]

your memory is 2666 mhz DDR4

[lament hinge]

okay

[normal crown]

if "IP" mattered Tom Clancy Ghost Recon Breakpoint........

And i won't call Death Stranding a failure because a large proportion of people like it

[lament hinge]

ubisoft tripped multipple times prior
by making Tom Clancy into mmo like game with the devision
which goes against tactical espionage type of gaming

[stable crown]

But the game grew on them and they haven't really released much content after, and no way the IP would've sold the game so well alone, especially after months of the game and reviews being already out, and even before release people knew the game had some trouble with developement after kojima and konami announced Kojima leaving the studio after release

[normal crown]

ubisoft is trying to copy mgsv but they can't compete with technology of MGS2

i am not joking look at details in mgs2

[lament hinge]

such as?

[normal crown]

only game that came close was old splinter cell

[normal crown]

shooting fire extinguisher will make you see lasers

not saying ubisoft games should have lasers but they barely have cookie cutter basic details

[lament hinge]

cookie cutter basic details?

okay

[stable crown]

And the game won GOTY acros multiple events, best action/adventure on game awards, was nominated for GOTY on golden joystick awards and won critic's choice on the same event

[lament hinge]

you have to speciffy exactly what type of detailng where talking about

there can be details on many levels

[stable crown]

If the game would've been received poorly it wouldn't have done so well

[normal crown]

it was well deserved

[stable crown]

Of course

[lament hinge]

well i guess thats why they kicked out Kojima
the game did well

[normal crown]

As much as many people like to shit on the last of us 2 i think hades deserved goty

[normal crown]

They kicked out kojima and made yearly football games and made a shit zombie game with the said IP and cancelled SIlent Hill and made gambling machine and didn't had a good release since years and has 100s of reports of miss treating employees

[stable crown]

Kojima was a godsend for konami and they just threw him away

[normal crown]

you should see the amount of people that left Konami to work with Kojima

[stable crown]

they wouldn't be where they are if not him

[lament hinge]

i mean he wasted so much time and at the end it was a quarter of the game what was promised
i understand why konami would be pissed and kick him out

[normal crown]

Kojima is in cyberpunk for no reason

[normal crown]

what do you mean "promised"

🤔

[stable crown]

Which is again Konami's fault, they cut the budget so some parts of the game that were already in developement had to be cut as well

[lament hinge]

i mean does not developers promise to make a finished game from start to end
MGS is half of a game and half of that game is redoing the same missions from part 1 but on higher difficulty
its a quarter of a game tehcnicaly

[stable crown]

Like the infamous mission with Eli

[normal crown]

"i reccomend you try cyberpunk"

[lament hinge]

yes

it released as finished game from start to end
with bugs and piss poor performance on consoles and bellow mid range PC's

but a finished game regardless

[normal crown]

no

[lament hinge]

well

you can play from start to end and all side stuff
so

[somber marlin]

https://www.pcgamer.com/far-cry-6-wont-require-a-high-end-pc-to-play/

[normal crown]

i can tell that lol

[strange wadi]

Bro

[lament hinge]

it looks better than the initial gameplay demos from months ago

i think

[strange wadi]

-IZHAN- not mod

[normal crown]

LMAO

[lament hinge]

@somber marlin what happened : |

[normal crown]

bro there are alot og games you can play from start to end

[lament hinge]

exactly
and MGV doesnt have ending nor middle

[normal crown]

they turned an unplayable garbage into a playbale garbage

[somber marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/knighnt-armor-i-am-a-knight-honorable-vikings-gif-5089713

[normal crown]

again it has a solid gameplay

[somber marlin]

not a knight anymore

[lament hinge]

well the quality of a story is subjective
one call it amazing others not so much

[normal crown]

you want a story? watch a movie

[lament hinge]

what happened
or did you just wanted to not be mod anymore?

[normal crown]

in games gameplay come first

[lament hinge]

yes and no

[stiff patrol]

4K 30fps needs a WHAT

[lament hinge]

theres game with barely any gameplay in them and theres gameplay intensive games like dying light

[normal crown]

yeah i don't like tellatale games

or those visual novels

[normal crown]

while a good story is appreciated i don't "specifically" play a game for "oh my this man kills this girl i wanna see how"

[runic topaz]

@green jetty

[stiff patrol]

I swear this game started development literally before the 30 series

[normal crown]

"cyberpunk runs suprisingly well on consoles. Says cdpr CEO"

[stiff patrol]

It’s like if they released it at the time literally no one could play 4K 30fps

[lament hinge]

he lied

and nobody dennyes that

[stiff patrol]

Maybe he was playing on ps6

[lament hinge]

hence the company is facing lawsuits on that part

[normal crown]

and ubisoft is the master of lies

[livid warren]

Bruh

[lament hinge]

but the game released all finished from start to end
its just that it had bugs and ran very bad on consoles

[somber marlin]

[normal crown]

if this game gives more than stable 17 fps on single 8gb ram i will change my username to butt head for 1 year

they say that but don't do it

[livid warren]

Just caught this in 4k, will be remembered

[normal crown]

it might touch 30 fps once in a while but most of the time it don't

[normal crown]

that is why i said "single 8gb ram" not 2x4gb ram

that gives slight bost

And do you realize how much ram that cpu and gpu will alone eat up

[lament hinge]

ubisoft are not guilty for the user's inability to propperly build his PC
this is why theres prebuilds ready

[livid warren]

A 1080 for 60fps 1080p

[lament hinge]

kinda sus ngl

[livid warren]

It does say in the bottom that it's been tested with dlss turned off, so there might be some kind of hope left

[normal crown]

they are guily for downgrading
far cry 4
watchdogs
Rainbow 6 Siege
The Division
The Crew
The Crew 2
Steep
Assassins Creed Odyssey (minor)
Far Cry 5

Just to name a few

[lament hinge]

how does this connect to what i said thou

[normal crown]

it ubisoft connects

[stiff patrol]

[lament hinge]

what

[stiff patrol]

Ubisoft connect

[lament hinge]

so

ubisoft downgraded watchdogs cos some ppls put 1X8GB stick instead of 2X4GB?

on a dual channel cpu?

[normal crown]

play dumb

[stiff patrol]

No have you not seen what they’ve done to it?

[somber marlin]

https://twitter.com/GothamKnights/status/1433776913634430977?s=20

Gotham Knights (@GothamKnights)

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[stiff patrol]

It looks like ass compared to e3 demo

[livid warren]

Ewl Gotham knights

[lament hinge]

i know that
but wheres the connection between the downgrade and the 1X8GB ram stick

thats what i dont get

[normal crown]

Also ubisoft in general have degraded in art style and graphical quality

Look at watchdogs 1 it is dark and sadistic, meanwhile watchdogs 2 looks like gta 5

but with way low LOD

[livid warren]

Yeh wd2 is so colorful

[normal crown]

and legion is just........britain

[livid warren]

Legion? You mean 🤡

[stiff patrol]

And far cry 6 is just

[normal crown]

i saw a clip of a guy doing blackout in wd1 and then doing a really cool take down of a cop and then shooting a cop looked like a movie with realistic lighting

[livid warren]

FC5 and after is poop

[normal crown]

then wd2 blackout somehow hacked police cars

then wdl there is no phone like why like who

[livid warren]

Bruh not even hacking in legion

[normal crown]

gonna be honst i don't hate far cry 5 but i don't even like it it is just mediocre

and then far cry 6 going in same route

they are hyping up gus so much i wonder if his screen time is more than 30 mins

because honeslty as per the game play i am seeing the protag has no business with him

Like if he wouldn't have killed some gaurds and joined the riots, he could have bought a flight ticket and went easily

[sweet pike]

did a voyage idk

[normal crown]

they added photomode?!?!?!?!??!??!

[sweet pike]

no?

i am doing an emote

[normal crown]

hudless SoT got me like

[sweet pike]

and it goes 3rd person

[normal crown]

he looks like he is floating

[sweet pike]

he is a bit xd

[normal crown]

my character is just a german karen from disney

[normal crown]

yep that is me

[livid warren]

Yeh mediocre. The world was straight up boring af

[livid warren]

Jo my man

[normal crown]

new dawn

Health bar on enemies added 👶

[livid warren]

New dawn even worse?

Oh yeh lmao

[normal crown]

the detection metre in farcry 6 looks so shit

[livid warren]

I didn't even play new dawn yet

[normal crown]

what are yall thoughts on a game selling photomode as "dlc"

[livid warren]

FC5 Just got so boring I couldn't get myself to finish it

[normal crown]

dont

you aren't missing anything

[livid warren]

Photomode should be included in base game tbh

[livid warren]

Yeh that's what I figured xD

[normal crown]

I am unironically planning to get a job at ubisoft

[livid warren]

Might pay for dying light photomode dlc tho

[normal crown]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1643210/SCUM_Supporter_Pack_2/

Steam

SCUM Supporter Pack 2

To mark the halfway point of our Early Access development we are excited to present SCUM supporter pack #2! By popular demand we are releasing another round of extra goodies for wonderful people that wish to further support SCUM development.Items presented are here for visual presentation and cosmetics and make no impact on the gameplay in any m...

Price

$9.99

[livid warren]

Ooh shit scum

That game has changed so much

[normal crown]

i just saw the main menu of scum and knew this game would be shit

it was

Spiderman photomode

[livid warren]

Whaha

I played for like 16 hours I believe, when it just released couple years ago

Wasn't really a lot to do back then imo

[normal crown]

What game

[livid warren]

Scum I mean not spiderman

[normal crown]

i played scum like recent weekend

it was boring

and online community is a dick

[livid warren]

Ah yeh ofc

[normal crown]

Could say community is scum

[livid warren]

[normal crown]

the solo play is just a boring version of death stranding

[livid warren]

There is a solo play?

Bruh

[normal crown]

i mean it says on store page "single player"

[livid warren]

Oh didn't know they had it

Not worth checking out most likely

Only survival games I really liked are 7 days to die and the forest

And Minecraft ofc

[sweet pike]

always love doing this 😄

[normal crown]

just play sonic mania

better game

[sweet pike]

forgot the music on oops

[normal crown]

Play fortnite

[livid warren]

Sea of thieves is awesome

[normal crown]

[livid warren]

Fuckin love it

[sweet pike]

ikr

got it like 3 weeks ago

[normal crown]

yes

good solo sailing

[sweet pike]

enjoying the hell out of it

[normal crown]

vibing to ocean

[livid warren]

Yeh both solo and as a team it's really fun

[normal crown]

a random stranger gifted it to me

[livid warren]

Only downside is you have to play for at least a few hours

Cuz voyages and some world events can take soo much time

[sweet pike]

i got the bug where you cant see how much i got

[normal crown]

I hate playing the games 😩

k bye

[deft badge]

whut

xd

[livid warren]

Bye

[plucky dune]

Yucky merchant

This post was made by The Gold Hoarders

[livid warren]

[civic plover]

you’re wrong it’s parry riposte parry riposte roll roll parry riposte chug

[sweet pike]

yucky gold hoarders
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this mf acting like he is selling drugs but no he sell clothes

[normal crown]

He looks he has kids in his basement

[plucky dune]

Yes.

[sweet pike]

i have to say voice acting is SoT is shit

[lament hinge]

Crysis 2 running on the switch @ionic sun if youre interested https://youtu.be/_zqhKi0ro0E

[sweet pike]

this dude looks like 80 but sounds like 20

[normal crown]

There is?

[sweet pike]

there is voice acting yyes

[lament hinge]

Svogi running on switch

now that some big shit trickery if you ask me

[tidal osprey]

holy crap someone really got in the jumbo jet thing

[normal crown]

no luck all skill

phaw

The villager&pillager sound effects are divine

[heavy orbit]

84mb moment

[umbral raven]

this bruh

[normal crown]

@normal crown

YOOO

The chocolate rock

Congrats dude

Got it yesterday literally like 10 mins before I was going to get off

[stable crown]

Dude I'm freaking popping off in League of Legends

Granted I play yone

But I'm doing better than I did

[lament hinge]

CD Projekt has also assured that around 40% of the team is still working on the development (or repair) of the base game, while another 25% is involved in the development of the first of the planned large expansions.

[stable crown]

Sounds nice

Maybe we'll even get the dlc this year

[lament hinge]

by the looks of it i highly doubt it

but who knows

[stable crown]

I'm really interested what's it gonna be about, we still gonna play as V or someone else

[lament hinge]

maybe at the very very end?

[stable crown]

One may still hope

[lament hinge]

yeah

it could be V it could be someone else

i have no issues with both cases cos i know it will be a good story regardless

[stable crown]

Yeah