if you reach lvl 56 in these 7 days you keep the game forever
#🎯︱other-games
lament hinge
stuff like that
but its very time consuming game
wow is a pathetic walk in the park compared to bdo
covert heron
it's 6:30 here and I have late work to finish today -_- I'll be back later
lament hinge
also bdo doesnt have dungeons
thou they will make the first one soon
cos ppls are demanding dungeons A LOT
covert heron
also bdo doesnt have dungeons
it seems landscape oriented, it could be refreshing tbh
covert heron
anyway, I have to get to work xD let's try to be a bit motivated
covert heron
for when I build my new pc, seems like a good time to try
lament hinge
deffo worth giving a shot even if youre not going to be invested into it
covert heron
see you later 
bleak canyon
Looks like ps5 graphics
umbral raven
paper thicket
I really like this place and the sky here
clear and blue like Finland
@vital vector Does this remind you of a Mosque at all?
@undone shadow
undone shadow
<@!717702198493970494>
It looks like Mosque 
paper thicket
@undone shadow You've been to the Archdragon's Peak, right?
undone shadow
<@!717702198493970494> You've been to the Archdragon's Peak, right?
Yes
paper thicket
pro
paper thicket
There are a few of the most infuriating enemies here but boy is this place beautiful
undone shadow
Yes
paper thicket
Always sunny except when you toll the bell 
and has the best loot after Ringed City
undone shadow
My next mission is killing Nameless King
paper thicket
Good luck I just did it in NG+5
undone shadow
paper thicket
It's been a while since I died a few times
Actually had to bring out those memories of how to beat NK
It took me some deaths to remember I should just walk to his right in second phase
undone shadow
They say the most difficult boss in ds history or something
paper thicket
They say the most difficult boss in ds history or something
NK is one of the most infamous for difficulty
undone shadow
I killed Fume Knight in NG+ 3 NK should be easy 
paper thicket
He is not that different to the others in behavior, think Pontiff levels of breathing room
Sometimes he reminds you of Champion Gundyr with his aggression but in reality he is nowhere near in comparison
paper thicket
The difficulty is learning when to attack because he likes to make inconsistent chains and he has some attacks that can end in either 2 or 3 swings
You have to be extremely on alert and not make hasty decisions
Because trading with this guy will never end well
its one of the worst trading hells
you drink estus and get hit, you drink again because you got hit and get hit again, you drink again because you got hit and get hit again, you drink again because you got hit and this time he kills you.
undone shadow
Dark souls experience
paper thicket
It's a habit in every player
just gotta keep cool and do the dodge even if you would die from 1 hit
risking getting to the safe window for healing is worth more than trading
paper thicket
This is what hundreds of Nameless King attempts looks like @slate fossil
Most of this fight still sucked so here were the parts that didn't. I'm nowhere near the performance in my first couple ng cycles
Maybe I should do this for all the relevant bosses in this sense
Just memorize all that shit again and make a video out of perfect dodges in their face
paper thicket
it's not on pc
normal crown
I know
long escarp
TABG is pretty cool
undone shadow
@paper thicket ez
olive marlin
Among us
paper thicket
<@!177048793626181632> ez
stable crown
I wanted to play a dark souls game but I'm not sure which one, what do you guys reccomend?
tawny lintel
I wanted to play a dark souls game but I'm not sure which one, what do you guys ...
if you are looking for coop then I would play ds3 but if you want to play solo I would play dsr
normal crown
Dark Souls 3 is pisseasy unless you use anything other than greatswords or starightswords
paper thicket
@stable crown dks3 being the newest is the most polished gameplay wise, and has the most active online playerbase. It's one of the 2016 games that still go hard so starting off at the latest entry is fine. The story of dks3 is pretty separated from the rest so you don't need to know much either to get into the game.
normal crown
@stable crown PLAY SEKIRO INSTEAD 
covert moss
Dark souls is hard but still it’s fun
paper thicket
Dark Souls 3 is pisseasy unless you use anything other than greatswords or stari...
I'd say it's more weapon specific than category specific
normal crown
not a single straightsword in ds3 is bad
except like broken straight sword
but that doesn't count cause its meant to be poopy
paper thicket
Broken straight sword
paper thicket
Cleric's candlestick
paper thicket
Anri's straight sword 
ionic sun
I wanted to play a dark souls game but I'm not sure which one, what do you guys ...
ds remastered or ds3
and as ds remastered never goes on sale
i'd just buy ds3
also ds3 and sekiro are perfectly playable on keyboard + mouse while other games - not really
stable crown
<@357212230829473816> dks3 being the newest is the most polished gameplay wise, ...
i don't really care much about the story just gameplay, I played Bloodborne and wanted to get into the series
stable crown
<@!357212230829473816> PLAY SEKIRO INSTEAD <:peperead:621403520117112852>
I did, not a huge fan
stiff patrol
@lament hinge I’m going to try out black desert online
lament hinge
stiff patrol
I got it for free awhile ago but I’m going to give it a proper try now
stable crown
BDO is an MMO yes?
stiff patrol
Yes
lament hinge
be carefull what class you pick cos you have to stick with it
for example
Ninja looks coos but its the hardest class to play and farming stuff with ninja is absurdly hard
stiff patrol
What about nova?
lament hinge
do an updated review of the classes if youre going serious into the game
its new class no idea how shes
stiff patrol
What about dark knight?
lament hinge
her normal stance is very slow
shes a tank
sitting on 1 place doing massive damage
for nova
DK is mobile, haves AOE but her EHP is low
stiff patrol
I like the sounds of nova
lament hinge
well yeah but keep in mind
you have to move from mob pack to mob pack
i dunno
maybe her awakening is better in mobility than the first stance
lament hinge
classes have 3 skill trees
the normal one, awakening fter reaching lvl 56 and sucession that is a mix of both but is much more focused on the main hand
well if you want big dumb damage than go sage
or berserk
or wizard
lament hinge
nova is so slow
i barely stood untill i awakened her
man
i dont want to play nova ever again 😄
sage is pretty damn good
he haves decent mobility and dumb thicc damage in big AOE'
- he haves on of the best looking abilities and animations
also theres ongoing even with Sage so by leveling him up you get a lot of money
so id say
go with Sage
stiff patrol
I’ll have a look over them and see what appeals most to me
lament hinge
be aware
a Ninja player will never tell you that playing the game as ninja sucks ass hence nobody plays ninja
theres lot of bs going on with content creators and the classes they main
stiff patrol
I’ll just watch a video of the classes
lament hinge
yeah but id strongly reccomend going with Sage, hes very good class and you get lots of money by leveling him
strange wadi
Black Desert Online doesn't seem half bad
stable crown
I don't like MMO games but this one seems fine
strange wadi
Should i download CW
strange wadi
Don't have space 
stable crown
You can always excude campaign or any other mode
I don't know about ps4 but on pc campaign is a whapping 40 gb
strange wadi
What 
stable crown
What <:SurprisedRisitas:689547085883768895>
Ye
You can exclude campaign, zombies, multiplayer or dead ops
strange wadi
I can do that on ps4?
stable crown
Yeah
strange wadi
But it's only split into 2 parts
stable crown
Once you download at least one part you should be able to load up the game and select file management and deleted modes you don't want
Just like that
strange wadi
Once you download at least one part you should be able to load up the game and s...
I'll delete campaign after i beat it
What are dead ops
stable crown
What are dead ops
Basically a super arcadey zombies mode, you have a score counter, weapon pick ups, and so on
Super fun mode expecially in coop
strange wadi
What's the difference between that and regular zombies 
stable crown
What's the difference between that and regular zombies <:thonk:57361574437008179...
In regular zombies you get points to open up the map and get better weapons, perks, and you have more health, in dead ops your points count only towards your high score so they don't affect the gameplay, weapo pick ups only last for a certain amount of time, you have unlimited ammo and die way more quickly, you also don't open up the map with points but by completing arenas, you can also choose either top down view or first person
strange wadi
Sounds fun
stable crown
Yeah it is
strange wadi
Alright i guess i'll download it when i beat HZD
stable crown
Horizon Zero Dawn?
normal crown
Horizon Zero Dawn?
same question
weary tendon
@green jetty @paper thicket https://streamable.com/ttxw2u
lusty solar
hello
strange wadi
<@!174914772750303233> <@!177048793626181632> https://streamable.com/ttxw2u
The super shotgun on max FOV looks kinda weird ngl
@stable crown downloading CW
I expected it to be like 150 GBS
stable crown
<@357212230829473816> downloading CW <:getout:825139273443311646>
Let's goo
stable crown
I expected it to be like 150 GBS
And how much is it?
strange wadi
108 
stable crown
108 <:peepocool:640304462531133463>
tall hamlet
@silver birch This as well
full linden
a VERY very well done depiction of gman terminating gordon on a serious note by neal
covert moss
Guys i am getting Yakuza 0 today :D
i always wanted to play it but i never had any chances
covert heron
i always wanted to play it but i never had any chances
we'll see you again in weeks xD
burnt creek
lament hinge
past reef
i wouldnt wish my worst enemy to get into skyrim modding
lament hinge
@tacit briar still playing RDO?
tacit briar
nope
lament hinge
you said it was amazing thou
somber marlin
lament hinge
tacit briar
mmo yikes
lament hinge
😄
young venture
Yikers
tacit briar
qt
young venture
fy
near coral
https://youtu.be/B5xe_oB6SgA
That one has some great vids. 
somber marlin
Rusty Lake Hotel, Free from steam, until May 1
https://store.steampowered.com/app/435120/Rusty_Lake_Hotel/
tidal osprey
raven fox
disappointment 100
somber marlin
and now daughters
slate fossil
i havent watched any of the new gameplay
i wanna go into this blind
i know everything about RE7 thats all i know
lament hinge
they are ready
to succ everything out from your body
alert warframe players!
now you can breez trough eidolon fights with this mod combo
full damage immunity from the bosses
enjoy while lasting
lilac temple
Too much cheese imo
somber marlin
Nioh series has sold 5 million copies.
https://twitter.com/nioh_game/status/1387348473431789568
normal crown
@somber marlin tlou3 story be like "Press X to start the game" "Warning,the following game does not contain any narrative story at all"
stiff patrol
has anyone here pre ordered hood outlaws and legends?
errant nexus
nah fam.
rich gazelle
eternal trench
k ty
rich gazelle
overkill was suppose to make a open world walking dead game, but the four trailers didnt bring much attention, they shutdown production and the game became a ghost
eternal trench
oh yeah skybound was working on this too
rich gazelle
oh, i guess it was a work together
eternal trench
yea
lament hinge
even more details on how absurd and stupid this is
😂
hello there, another adventurer
lament hinge
epic game isnt it
gentle igloo
yes
im poor
whatever
i like this game
I am thinking of starting metro 2033 now
gentle igloo
cyberpunk dont deserves it's cost
lament hinge
someone rushed into an office and tried to assassinate developer of the game Genshing Impact
@leaden orchid
"he planned to kill the 2 founders of the company making the game, than killing himself"
@somber marlin @undone ore @near coral
young venture
"The Last of Us creative director Neil Druckmann says there is a story outline for 'Part 3,' but it's not being made right now
'I hope one day [it] can see the light of day' "
I hope it never happens
All that feminism/LGBT propaganda bullshit should die
lament hinge
lament hinge
All that feminism/LGBT propaganda bullshit should die
yep cos it failed flat on their faces
stiff patrol
"he planned to kill the 2 founders of the company making the game, than killing ...
is this a joke or serious?
oh my god its real
why did he want him assasinated?
cold osprey
Well, it can be alot of reasons. Sometimes the killer doesn't really know themselves.
leaden orchid
someone rushed into an office and tried to assassinate developer of the game Gen...
wtf
covert heron
Also, girls are very strong
95% of TLOU 2 "story"
lament hinge
covert heron
what an awesome personnality
lament hinge
@covert heron posted video update for Dreamworlds 😄
watch it
from the same guy that made the 7 sins of mmo
covert heron
<@!249983060525842433> posted video update for Dreamworlds 😄
yay xD
covert heron
<@!249983060525842433> posted video update for Dreamworlds 😄
the lulz are endless
i must say, that guy (from dreamworlds) has one of the less trustworthy expression I've seen in my whole life, and that says a lot since I've debunked quite a number of PoS
covert heron
WOW is completely P2W?
I'd highly doubt it, but it's been 5 years I left
lament hinge
i was talking with a friend about BDO, was showing him off my horse and told him the game have p2w elements
than he said "wdym WOW is too P2W you can buy end tier weapons with credit card"
in his words theres marketplace from which you can buy gear for irl money
apperantly WOW is indeed P2W
im looking up info on google
covert heron
apperantly WOW is indeed P2W
what i'm sure of is, around BfA, which I didn't play, multi-boxing was giving a substantial advantage. From before I left, subscription tokens would already be exchanged for gold in game, which in turn made people buy tokens irl to gain gold IG and then use that gold to be power leveld through hard content to get loot to then have an advantage in PvP
covert heron
I'd agree. Huge fails in the game design started to show way before I left anyway
lament hinge
lmao you can indeed buy gold with wow tokens
wtf
filth
and they dare to trash BDO
when they have blatant p2w
covert heron
My GM was using tokens the other way around, since he is a huge grinder, he was buying tokens with gold to never have to pay his subscription xD
lament hinge
there is a BLIZZARD SHOP?
why the fuck
is your game monthly sub with INGAME SHOP?
covert heron
yup
covert heron
but the ingame shop used to have only tokens and services
lament hinge
i have no words
lament hinge
i thought WOW is this - you pay monthly ok but there is no P2W and no shop of any kind
turns out its the same as any other mmo nowdays
but with monthly sub on top
cos you know
"our mmo is premium quality bruv"
covert heron
it's not directly p2w as in, you can't buy anything that'll give you power. But, through power leveling offered by high end guilds, you can get gold and buy their services
covert heron
even level boosters are a joke, as you can level a character in 1 day or 2 if you know what you're doing
covert heron
nope it's real, wow tokens changed the economy in the worst way
lament hinge
i mean
theres auction house
which works in silver
and you can buy silver with credit card
whoever is telling me wow is not P2W is kinda blind
the system is almost identical to BDO's
wow seems to be way behind
covert heron
you have to be filthy rich though, the rate of exchange for tokens is not even that good, and high end guild services are very, very expensive, since the player the power through may be basically useless, they are X-1
lament hinge
nobody cares how expensive tokens are
the game is P2W
u think majority of BDO players P2W?
its just few guild leaders sweating in guild wars with their wallets
average bdo player buy the game for filthy cheap and maybe buys a costume
covert heron
u think majority of BDO players P2W?
i don't, since it's a semi free to play model, few players actually use money
lament hinge
exactly
lament hinge
from what i learned its actually the top tier guilds in each region that are P2W-ning
covert heron
when you're trpped in "time investment", you cross lines more easily
I should know, I did
lament hinge
the thing that sux major ass in BDO is that there isnt a signle dungeion to speak off
thats really what hurting the game
covert heron
the thing that sux major ass in BDO is that there isnt a signle dungeion to spea...
that might not even be a bad thing from a design perspective, if it can offer something else, I find that interesting
lament hinge
but soon they will release the first dungeion in the game
im hyped
finally a fucking dungeon
ok technically there is 1 dungeon 😄 but really it isnt
you donr use your gear there but instead you get a fucking musket... and try to shoot waves of mobs
so ppls dont play it cos their gear means nothing
and in BDO gear is everything
covert heron
WoW has been so hypocritical that I felt refreshed when I got back to SWTOR. I pay subscription so all my features are unlocked, the IG shop is full of cosmetics, for the rest, you have toe arn it yourself
but it doesn't feel unreachable
lament hinge
there cant be mmo without charging money for skins
thats reality
look at wow
almost anyone can make game that looks like it in no time
covert heron
I'm fine with that. i can argue with the prices, but not the concept
lament hinge
the cost of games comes mainly from making the assets
at least thats what official developer said when asked
covert heron
being subscribed gives me free shop cash each month, I'm close to the price of the big pack of skins soon, so I'll get a truckloads of things, without buying shop money
covert heron
It just requires patience, and given the number of features unlocked by being subbed, I don't complain
lament hinge
theres short clip of it online
any real mmo requires time
you get geared fast in shit mmo's
covert heron
I'm almost glad they canceled it, I often fear they'd stop swtor support
lament hinge
covert heron
it's the only EA associated product I'll ever play xD
lament hinge
couldve been good, visually
at least
EA make shitty games but at least they look insane
man u have no idea
covert heron
old BioWare gave us a legacy to hold on
covert heron
old BioWare is gone but the game still holds its ground
lament hinge
yeah
same is with blizzard
ppls waiting on blizzard to make new mmo
reality is
the ppls who made wow left the studio so many years ago
covert heron
they won't, WoW is a cash cow
lament hinge
the original wow and diablo makers left blizzard to form grinding gears studio and make paths of exiled
covert heron
as in one of the videos from the YT you made ma discovers, WoW can't be killed because it's not a game, it's a culture
lament hinge
exactly
covert heron
Even I can tell the lore almost by heart
lament hinge
ppls doesnt judge wow on its merrits at all
but memories from being excited stupid childrens that ate all the shit blizzard threw at them
covert heron
I just removed my nostalgia goggles and saw it went to trash
lament hinge
reality is wow doesnt hold a candle to any modern mmo
lament hinge
I just removed my nostalgia goggles and saw it went to trash
yess
covert heron
it won't be that common that someone removes oneself from a culture as I did
even today I still find it a bit sad
lament hinge
he said it very well "you are comparing a game which you was playing all day long with your friend to a game that you play 2 hours per day max alone"
nailed it there tbh
covert heron
I met my first love in WoW, met friends, beat pretty hard content, all great memories. They're fine where they're at, they're memories
lament hinge
he said almost the same for runescape
the game is trash
ppls dont like the game, they like cos its a social place
nbody actually plays the game
its a discord with moving avatars
his words
covert heron
I have a different relationship with SWTOR, I monitor the game qualities, I criticize the bad things, I play it more as a player, like it started with WoW, but my life is different and I do not seek the same social level as before. I want to relax
covert heron
I found the guild to do that and since I'm a pretty good player, I easily have a good time
lament hinge
the toxicity and nonsense is cranked to 11 these days
covert heron
most people are 30+ in it
lament hinge
yeah
i ment in general games
covert heron
the toxicity and nonsense is cranked to 11 these days
LoL anyone ? xD
lament hinge
the makers of BDO are making 3 new games
one of which is absolutely breath taking
its a single player experience with mmo and co-op elements
w8 ill show u the game
covert heron
the makers of BDO are making 3 new games
isn't it a bit too ambitious ?
lament hinge
im so hyped
lament hinge
isn't it a bit too ambitious ?
bdo made them filthy rich
lament hinge
lament hinge
sure but money doesn't directly buy qualified staff
they have very tallented ppls believe me
you have to step into bdo to feel it
covert heron
https://youtu.be/tYQRBqqpV3M
this does look damn pretty
covert heron
makes me think, I'm still mindblown by BDO character creation
lament hinge
and can switch between character
im very hyped, izhan is too hyped
anothr moderator here
i may not care all that much bout the online part but the single player looks killer
covert heron
you are playing as a gang of 4
I hope they have good writers 
covert heron
is it linked to BDO ? crimson desert, I remember one of the kingdoms call the desert the red desert
lament hinge
I hope they have good writers <:tipping:832946167897391175>
the story and lore of the bdo is actually pretty interesting
yes lorewise its linked
crimson desert is far in the past
covert heron
don't do that to me, I have too much work to invest in another thing xD
I really like the DA
really really like
lament hinge
DA?
covert heron
erm, it's in french... hmm art direction
covert heron
the combination of setting, movements, music and character design
lament hinge
and the music in BDO is so good
covert heron
im telling you the ppls in this company are top tier
they're korean ?
covert heron
it definitely caught my interest
covert heron
I notice they already have a well defined main musical theme
lament hinge
yeah
a beta should start at the end of this year
id assume its to test how the co-op will work
lament hinge
from all the interviews ive red
it started like mmo
than turned into single player
than turned into single player with embeded mmo elements and you can play the story co-op with friends
but also
the gear from the mmo part can carry into the single player
ive never seen game like that, maybe there are such
but actually crimson desert started as expansion to BDO
but they made many changes as to where it doesnt fit bdo anymore
covert heron
curious to see what they embbed. Exchange system ?
lament hinge
yeah
covert heron
must say this hypes me more than usual AAA
I have a soft spot for that kind of setting, movement and art
lament hinge
i think
everyone has
cos its in our dna from our ancestors
i mean
the setting of the game
knights n stuff like that
not the dragon and giant snake parts
covert heron
perhaps not everyone, but I came from the north as far as church register allowed us to check xD
at first I didn't think the gameplay trailer was actually gameplay
lament hinge
hopefully
i hope they have doom horse in crimson desert too
from kickstarter to court
that still cracks me up XD
@covert heron Tales of Elerya was selling 10 000 dollars packs
covert heron
<@!249983060525842433> Tales of Elerya was selling 10 000 dollars packs
what an obviously trustworthy practice
lament hinge
Digital Extras
Forum border and badge
Wallpaper
Newsletter
Soundtrack
10K dollars well spent 
covert heron
"don't you feel extra special yet ? " 
lament hinge
that wallpaper better the state of the art image
4 ppls bought into this 10K bs
lmao no wonder the studio is in court
covert heron
4 ppls bought into this 10K bs
some people just have too much money, they just did their duty freeing them from it
lament hinge
this shit is so funny XD
covert heron
I'll get back to my latest DL run before work strikes back xD
covert heron
lament hinge
normal crown
leaden orchid
R 
LLED
sly ice
You are 
sly ice
leaden orchid
lament hinge
😩
well i cant
cos the bots delete everything
even my bdo screenshots
@leaden orchid
leaden orchid
lament hinge
my house is a place of culture, welcome in stranger
btw this is my house in the game and my maids
normal crown
Booba
broken plume
i lost so hard right now
normal crown
He is unable to win
stiff patrol
https://media.giphy.com/media/yLPnPE6drskvXlQxFV/giphy.gif
What game is this
somber marlin
bruh I thought some new footage
grizzled knot
Ahhhhh i Need A MEDÄ°C BAG
umbral stag
What game is this
god of war ragnaroky
strange wadi
they lack ti....
they lack time and effort
umbral raven
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/836351244691439677/836362228046626896/c...
lmao
haughty nexus
Which one shall I pick as my pfp?
Oh dang, hope no one saw that pic...
Mods don’t check deleted messages
Trust me u won’t like what u will see
umbral raven
shut up rus you are lame
terse forge
Less then two weeks I think
covert heron
nice level design, as Uncy would say
normal crown
Where long fingers
stiff patrol
https://bloodofheroes.online/en/
I’m referring to this
stable crown
https://youtu.be/M5HlmuRJZmg
So is this something similair to For Honor?
ionic sun
I’m referring to this
beta starts 4th may
ionic sun
So is this something similair to For Honor?
i dont know, now that i checked i had alpha invite from them back in 2020
but i missed the email
so i dont know what it is 
but we'll see
stable crown
Seems pretty good
stiff patrol
beta starts 4th may
So I now get to play it on may 4th?
somber marlin
paper thicket
flanking 
glass hamlet
paper thicket
same
lament hinge
check the campaign video
it shows game that looks better than the majority of tripple A games nowdays
gotta see how MMO is made with 3 million dollars
this project is making exactly what Elirya did
stable crown
They have some pretty cool stuff for the 10k donation
stiff patrol
beta starts 4th may
will we put the code on steam or epic?
lament hinge
They have some pretty cool stuff for the 10k donation
10K donation?
stable crown
10K donation?
Yeah, on their kickstarter site
lament hinge
also
you can legit
buy dlc and microtransacitons for this game
with not knowing when and IF the game will ever release
🤣
stable crown
Sounds like something EA would do
strange wadi
stable crown
They said in case the game doesn't launch they promise a refund
Smells like bullshit
stiff patrol
Sounds like something EA would do
EA would release the DLC before the game
lament hinge
They said in case the game doesn't launch they promise a refund
HAHAHAHHAHA
stable crown
Reminds me of the air umbrella project on kickstarter
lament hinge
this is prolly the second big scam after star citizen
gaming wise
@stable crown ahh if you want to play the alpha in few months you have to pay 500 dolars
stable crown
<@!357212230829473816> ahh if you want to play the alpha in few months you have ...
BRUH
I can't actually believe that they already made 3.27 mln dollars
lament hinge
this money isnt enough for mmo game
mmo's are the most expensive games
hence nobody makes them anymore
stable crown
But only 20k people donated this 3.27 mln
That means according to my advanced calculations that everybody payed around 163.5 dollars
lament hinge
XD
very invested ppls
also just watch what the devs are talking
essentially
they are rashing the current well performing mmos
while saying they will make the right mmo
gimme a break
they are so pathetic and sad
for doing that
stable crown
Yeah I'm watching that too and all they keep saying is "Unlike some other games we do that better"
lament hinge
so they gon tell me
companeis that poured hundreds of millions of dollars couldnt make what these guys will for 3 millions?
i mean
lament hinge
exactly
stable crown
They are a nobody company and they say that they'll make the best game out there
lament hinge
yep
the best mmo
i mean the game on their campaign looks so bias
nobody makes cities like these in mmo's
the closest thing ive seen is valencia city in bdo
but thing is
stable crown
And the whole thing that the whole server will create their own factions and that all of them will make choices that'll shape the world
lament hinge
this mmo costed tons of money but is also making filth ammounts of income
stable crown
I can imagine one troll destroying the server with the worst decisions
lament hinge
I can imagine one troll destroying the server with the worst decisions
yep
stable crown
And the parts of the game they showed look like something an amateour blender animator would make in 10 mins
lament hinge
exactly
stable crown
These animations look horrible
stable crown
yeah
stark oyster
I thought it was PS exclusive
somber marlin
More like Epic Exclusive
terse forge
Hunting Grounds could've been better in my opinion
terse forge
lmao
livid warren
Lmao
stiff patrol
Lmao
lament hinge
its a baaaad bad game 😄
the thugs on youtube said the game is trash so nobody played it
stiff patrol
I don’t get why people listen to opinions so much just get the game if you don’t ike it get rid of it
normal crown
Everyone: supports the game
That one dude: "bad game, delete this"
stiff patrol
Then everyone turns to ‘although I’ve been playing this game for 2 years it must not be worth playing anymore as a YouTube said so’
lament hinge
I don’t get why people listen to opinions so much just get the game if you don’t...
and get fallout 76 full price?
i guess that answers it
stiff patrol
Oh didn’t see message
stiff patrol
and get fallout 76 full price?
I got it when it came to steam and I’m happy with it
lament hinge
suuuuuuuuuuure
lament hinge
sure
umbral raven
https://youtu.be/M5HlmuRJZmg
i will sign up
lament hinge
so the biggest tripple A game devs fail to make propper medieval pvp game but a nobody dev will do it?
umbral raven
@ionic sun it has an NDA?
ionic sun
dunno
umbral raven
seems like an NDA
Listen, I don't wanna sign an NDA since I'm way too young and I really don't understand this stuff
so I think I'll pass mate
lament hinge
ahh closed beta
ive played closed beta's before
never was i asked to sign NDA papers
thats shadyness of highest order
ionic sun
Listen, I don't wanna sign an NDA since I'm way too young and I really don't und...
no probs, i signed dozens of nda's so as long as you read them its fine
but i get it
lament hinge
@covert heron the next Elirya https://youtu.be/bZLwspKr9ag
stiff patrol
no probs, i signed dozens of nda's so as long as you read them its fine
This is the second NDA I have ever been under
I’m still under a different one for another game
stiff patrol
but i get it
Uncy I play it with you 
young venture
im silver 3
dim condor
any game recommendations?
stark oyster
Skyrim
stark oyster
im silver 3
Sadge
young venture
this game is too hard
stark oyster
Which game
strange wadi
so the biggest tripple A game devs fail to make propper medieval pvp game but a ...
R* medieval gaem
lament hinge
R* medieval gaem <:getout:825139273443311646>
mmmmm sign me up
stiff patrol
Sersemin can I call you serse?
strange wadi
Sersemin can I call you serse?
Call him fugana
strange wadi
mmmmm sign me up
I thought it was leaked/rumored already
stiff patrol
@ionic sun do you like medieval kind of games?
stiff patrol
in that case uncy you should have a look at a game named hood outlaws and legends
i think you would like it
covert heron
@lament hinge
Ashes of creation : "we'll do better than everyone !"
me: "how ?"
Ashes of creation: "trust us !"
me: "..."
Ashes of creation: "for only 3 millions ! Also, first tier nets you a WHOLE month of in game time !"
stable crown
so the biggest tripple A game devs fail to make propper medieval pvp game but a ...
For Honor was pretty good
lament hinge
@covert heron they actually said that they do not need more money
also them: if you want to play the closed alpha buy the 500 dollars tier pack, also sign absurd NDA's ah and you will play for no longer than 1 hour in speciffic time window
i mean
how desperate someone have to be to believe these clowns
covert heron
<@!249983060525842433> they actually said that they do not need more money
also...
they say they have core funding... Excuse me, MMO branching narrative ? I hope they have 300m core funding. The idea is marvellous, but outstandingly expensive, requires a very large team and tech
lament hinge
bdo haves branching narrative
but it wasnt there initially
for the last 2 years they been reworking the story progression and there is legit branching
but yes
covert heron
Like, the factors you have to take into account for outcomes: has this place been discovered ? Has this town a thriving economy ? etc
lament hinge
it is absurdly expensive and BDO is the only mmo i know that does that
lament hinge
Like, the factors you have to take into account for outcomes: has this place bee...
yep
lament hinge
branching paths very hard to achieve in single player games let alone online and mmo ones
and here we have these absolute clawns
claiming they will make the best mmo with branching
XD
covert heron
in single player action game, open world, I don't remember someone achieving it decently and DL 2 would be the first hyping attempt to my knowledge
lament hinge
for only 13 million dollars
wait when you say branching
do you mean that the world in the game changes from your actions or just chosing different story path?
covert heron
both
lament hinge
ok bdo have only branching story wise
world wise nothing changes
theres no mmo that haves that
its absurd
covert heron
I mean, if they were focusing on one or 2 regions saying "we'll expand the world after", at least I'd believe it more
stiff patrol
https://media0.giphy.com/media/yxShNbgsZDXYnHmGOB/giphy.gif
is this kickstarter one that is scam or a real thing we trust?
covert heron
but going for a full world at once, is... over ambitious
covert heron
is this kickstarter one that is scam or a real thing we trust?
I think they believe in what they say, just that reality will hit hard (talking about ashes of creation)
lament hinge
the 7 mmo sins guy said it perfectly
"they were talking about node wars and players changing the envoirment but for the past 2 years theyve showd nothing and said nothing about it, and that was a core pillar of the game design initially"
something like that
lament hinge
is this kickstarter one that is scam or a real thing we trust?
this is the real game
not scam
crimson desert
stiff patrol
when does it release?
stiff patrol
if i can ill join it
lament hinge
its a single player/co-op/mmo hybrid
ive never seen such game and nobody can make anything out of it
the devs arent saying much cos thing may change like they already did
but they shifted the focus to very narrative/personal experience
stiff patrol
ah ok
covert heron
the 7 mmo sins guy said it perfectly
"they were talking about node wars and pla...
yes and when a world is designed to changed around actions, you have to wonder what kind of players is your main audience. If some players actions can negatively impact others, then some have fun and some don't, and I doubt the largest audience in MMO is PvP bois
stiff patrol
makes sense
lament hinge
the world changing based on player action is a very bad idea
games like these die quick and never revive
stiff patrol
yes
covert heron
that's actually one of the hardest design challenge in gaming in general, how to make a game fun for a losing side
stiff patrol
iamgine loading in to see a crater
lament hinge
that's actually one of the hardest design challenge in gaming in general, how to...
exactly
stiff patrol
ok just fire and chaos
lament hinge
someone must play the role of ruler and the others t play the roles of pesants, slaves and workers
i mean
who the fuck plays games to be pesant to someone 😄
someone irl that is
lament hinge
im not talking like for example in witcher 3 you are working for someone, thats completely different
covert heron
one of the answers to that is to design system and IA to enforce balance, but then the PvP bois cry
stiff patrol
like every player will say 'no i am ruler' and it will cause so much damage and if the world is shaped by players i could only imagine what the world would look like
lament hinge
yep
if its fair to everyone that the pvp is not fair at all
penalties to the dedicated players and buffs to the loosers
what kind of sport is that
XD
covert heron
I feel it's better to build a world where the rules are clearly that cooperation is fruitful and backstabbing is very detrimental
lament hinge
but hey
as long as it sounds "right" and nostalgic its all aliright
right?
covert heron
there's nothing like fair PvP without boundaries
lament hinge
for example today
i spend time griefinf and knocking afk skill farmers in BDO
all the hours they spend in afk farming will go to nothing
so what
the devs have to give me penalty for doing it?
covert heron
besides, wild PvP is not very realistic in itself, I mean, a powerful fellow using its power to bully others, could exist, but would soon have its head put for a price
lament hinge
the game is pvp oriented so players deal with it
lament hinge
besides, wild PvP is not very realistic in itself, I mean, a powerful fellow usi...
depends how its made
but in general yeah
theres allways bigger fish
a whale if you will
who swiped the master card for better gear
stiff patrol
sersemin do you like medieval pvp?
covert heron
yet I've never seen a game implementing a rudimentary law system xD
covert heron
it's a bit of a reason why PvP is frowned upon, life is a bitch IRL, players seldom want game to be a bitch too
stiff patrol
sersemin do you like medieval pvp?
if so i have game for you
lament hinge
you are driving on the wrong side of the road?
well well time to spnd 2 hours in the jail
literally you character have to be online in jail for 2 hours
welcome to cancer pvp
lament hinge
sersemin do you like medieval pvp?
no idea outside of witcher 2 and 3 i havent played much medieval games let alone pvp ones
but i do liek the medieval themes thou
stiff patrol
no idea outside of witcher 2 and 3 i havent played much medieval games let alone...
remember me mentioning hood?
lament hinge
i think yes
stiff patrol
you should really have a look at it it is really cool
i can send the new commentated gameplay for you
lament hinge
oh wait memories are coming back
stiff patrol
lament hinge
allright allright
players becoming invisible
im done
invisibility is trash game design
stiff patrol
invisibility is trash game design
oh trust me it is pointless
the invis is shit
if you look at gameplay it is cool
lament hinge
hmm wait im watching more
stable crown
Reminds me of Far Cry 4 where one team could literally become invisible
stiff patrol
i can confirm the game is good imo as i played the beta of it
covert heron
you are driving on the wrong side of the road?
well well time to spnd 2 hours i...
for MMO, i'd think either you disable world PvP completely, or when someone attacks another player, their place in the world change (no longer welcome in town, but welcome in the underworld for example, cannot benefit from same blessings and protection from the world)
lament hinge
bdo works like that actually
but
you have to kill a lot of players to gain red/negative karma
stiff patrol
what did you think of the video?
lament hinge
if you are bellow 0 karma you can enter cities but the guard 1 shot you
im still watching
actually i have to see more
stiff patrol
im still watching
nice
lament hinge
cos outside of fancy animations i didnt saw much
stiff patrol
i can send more videos in dms
ther are alot
and i would send here but it would be spam so no
lament hinge
for pvp i dont care how fancy it looks but rather how mechanically works
what are the penalties for missing
and stuff like that
ranged vs melee how they stack against each other
pvp design is hard
stiff patrol
i cant say too much as i signed an NDA but it depends on who you are fighting and how skilled
how skilled you and the other player are
lament hinge
its allways like that
lament hinge
than ppls quickly learn how to abuse animations and gain unfair advantage
this is why
i dont have faith in pvp games made by small devs
cos these things are the hardest to optimize
stiff patrol
imo it did feel unbalanced in some aspects but still if you know what you are doing you will most likely do good
considering i won multiple 1v3s
lament hinge
for example
i mplayd good ammount of battlefront 2
a lot of saber pvp
and theres few animation glitches you can perform
making you invincible to damage
and the whole game, the whole pvp becomes absolutely pointless
im not saying this game will be that bad but i have to see
stiff patrol
i cant say about anything like that as that part is under NDA
covert heron
if you are bellow 0 karma you can enter cities but the guard 1 shot you
I've always found this idea interesting actually ^^ but it needs to be worked more in depth
lament hinge
the idea is that few simple mistakes or overlooks can result in insanely op glitches
and the little things are the hardest to notice and optimize by the looks of it
stiff patrol
all im saying is if there were any animation sort of bugs i imagine there wouldnt be in final release
covert heron
pvp design is hard
I don't believe PvP can even be balanced. I mean, AAA developpers struggle to balance fighting games, even at one frame close
lament hinge
I've always found this idea interesting actually ^^ but it needs to be worked mo...
in bdo you can press a button and flag yourself for pvp
from there on you can attack and kill anyone (outside players bellow lvl 57)
attacking or killing players lowers your karma and depending on how big the difference is ingear it lowers your karma correspondingly
you start with 300K karma, gowing bellow 0 flags you as red player and you can sink up to 1 million negative karma
when you are negative anyone anywhere can pvp you without them flagging for pvp
if you are in the desert area of the game and you lose from pvp as negative karma you are put in jail, a city in the desert
to gain carma you have to kill mobs
gaining karma isnt hard at all
its quite easy
covert heron
gaining karma isnt hard at all
its quite easy
kinda defeats the system xD
stiff patrol
sersemin i can speak alot more about it on the 7th as that is when it releases and ive pre ordered
lament hinge
well in BDO if you dont have acess to the main cities you cant make any progress
so its understandable
covert heron
i understand that it's a matter of how the world is built
lament hinge
@stiff patrol ngl it does look interesting but i have to see the balance in the pvp
stiff patrol
<@!286213608830926856> ngl it does look interesting but i have to see the balanc...
i can tell you all about that in 7 days
lament hinge
@covert heron as you said its a very hard thing to make fair
after all pvp in mmo games is anything but about fair
since mmo's are progression type of games pvp is unfair in its nature
i think bdo made good balance but could be better perhaps
covert heron
since mmo's are progression type of games pvp is unfair in its nature
it would require to have other goals in the world than standard progression, which is... unheard of to say the least
covert heron
but that's an exciting thought as a design
lament hinge
boiling down to weapon's performances and tuff like that
so yeah
these guys with 13 million will make the best mmo with best pvp design
🤡
where pesants and slave will be more than happy to play these roles and admire their kings and queens
covert heron
where pesants and slave will be more than happy to play these roles and admire t...
I see forks and guillotines incoming
lament hinge
yepppp
also i think you know but in ashes of creation or at least the devs say it like that
you can become ruller
king or queen
and they are actually selling packs that offer you such roles instantly
the game doesnt have release date and ppls aready p2w'd the whole game
covert heron
"not p2w btw"
covert heron
covert heron
you know, most of the flaws in MMO are actually derived from IRL flaws
lament hinge
the guys who are making it were chinese corporates
who been milking warframe for few years
the way i look it maybe its better we never got the game
covert heron
that's why the 7 sins serie was so relevant
covert heron
IRL, people hate that money rule the world, so if it's in your game, you lose. People hate grieving and bully, if it's your game, you lose. etc...
lament hinge
MY GOD
@covert heron https://ashesofcreation.wiki/Cosmetic_store
check the ammount of shit in the store
the fuck
covert heron
wtf 
lament hinge
isthis even legal thou
covert heron
"There will be legendary cosmetics that are only achievable in-game that will never be offered in the cosmetic shop." Yeaaaaah right, I totally believe that
dawn bronze
hey guys
lament hinge
so there are also coins
lament hinge
you back up, you buy into 500 dolars bullshit packs
you buy the 250 dollars bullshit comestic packs and you still have to buy more
i mean
lament hinge
i think 50% is considered good roll
dawn bronze
pog
lament hinge
but you may ask in other servers as well
im not into litches
terse forge
That looks like the Marauder’s disfigured cousin from Doom Eternal
covert heron
you back up, you buy into 500 dolars bullshit packs
you buy the 250 dollars bul...
greed: accumulation of monetization systems... So they have, price for the game, monthly subscription and in game shop. The pog trio