🎯︱other-games

[fossil sequoia]

Like I said. I understand it, It makes sense

I'm just sick of open world games for now lmao

[charred gust]

understandable take

[fossil sequoia]

I mean even sonic is open world now lmao

[devout berry]

I love open world games but I lose interest exploring quick unless coop

[charred gust]

i heard frontiers was good

if every open world game was a RDR2 it would be the best genre out there

[fossil sequoia]

That's how I feel. But elden rings co-op wasn't good enough to make it as fun as it could've been.

Me and my friend wanted to co-op it but we had to do each section twice, (one time for me, then one time for him)
And the fact you can't summon torrent.

So I just got burnt out with it

Really quickly

Why Fromsoft can't just make a lobby system, Idk.

[devout berry]

yeah soulsborne coop is wack

[charred gust]

each section twice ? lmao L bozo co op

[fossil sequoia]

The whole summoning each time is just plain annoying

[devout berry]

wish more games had coop like dl2

sons of the forest is gonna be fun so I'm having hopes for that

[charred gust]

you'd think the community would use their bandwagoning herd voice to make these ideas reach fromsoft instead of asking for bloodborne on PC

[fossil sequoia]

Yes, Because if he helped me kill my Margit, We'd have to fight through limgrave again to go kill his Margit so we could both do storm veil, exploring had to be done twice because weapons are host only pickup

[charred gust]

[fossil sequoia]

It's just plain stupid

[fossil sequoia]

Honestly.

But nope. Blood borne PC is all anyone cares about

[devout berry]

bloodborne PC top priority

bloodborne >

cock would agree

[charred gust]

mfs in 2028 when they see the bloodborne ps6 remake video posted on sony's youtube channel :

https://tenor.com/view/forced-to-play-gif-20710116

altho realistically its happening in 2024

[fossil sequoia]

I wish bloodborne wasn't a PS exclusive I will say

I don't wanna go to my PS4 and play it in 30fps bruh

Let me play it in 60 on my series X 😭

[charred gust]

ok but like

moving on to actual new games

we need a max payne 4

whats fucked up is i know we're still like atleast 5 years away from a RDR3

[fossil sequoia]

Max payne was good but Idk, A new one probably wouldn't be the same

[charred gust]

3 was one of those games everyone shit on but i genuinely didn't get

i loved it

the narrative still had that classic dark vibe to it, just directed differently

it was a great attempt at a modern take (as long as you remove the favelas section)

[fossil sequoia]

Dead Space 3 be like

[charred gust]

youtube review takes

[fossil sequoia]

I personally enjoyed DS3 in co-op

Speaking of which

we still doing that?

Or do you hate me now

[charred gust]

i actually have it half way downloaded but i switched over to yakuza 6's download, don't feel like playing it so soon after finishing callisto

[charred gust]

also

btw i out of curiosity looked at skill up's track record for reviews

i swear he's the general public take's review channel

i specifically picked lost judgement because reviewers were shitting on one aspect of it and he also fell for the bait

[fossil sequoia]

I can't say I've watched skill up.

[charred gust]

his thought process in many of his reviews is like "ok so how do i make it look like i agree with the general take, let me just say whatever"

[fossil sequoia]

Is that a yes?

[charred gust]

i dont get how people use this clown as their main play or not source

[charred gust]

that's a why do you have that idea weird peepo stare

[fossil sequoia]

Because a lot people usually do lmao

[charred gust]

another obvious one is far cry where he unironically said fc6 is the same old far cry we've been playing since 3

[fossil sequoia]

I honestly use my own opinions to decide..

I watch non commentary gameplay

And think whether I like it or not

If I do I get it, If I'm left unimpressed I don't

[charred gust]

i get the context he's saying it in in the sense that the engine, the animations the shooting is still the same but to throw that comparison given how massively the formula has changed (for the worse) after primal just proves the guy has no history playing these games

[charred gust]

i feel like people have forgotten that these reviewers are still just giving their takes

(which can and most of the times are L takes)

[shrewd sparrow]

Not really

He's just got his opinions

That's actually why I respect his reviews

He doesn't just fold to what everyone else is saying

He liked DL2, he disliked DOOM Eternal, he gave a very valid take on last of us part 1

He did not recommend deathloop

A game that got perfect 10s across the board (for some reason)

He recommended halo infinite

[manic hill]

@upbeat whale got 🎁 Present!

[shrewd sparrow]

He did not recommend 12 minutes

He recommended outriders

I mean shit

I just did a quick scroll

He recommended riders Republic

He just gives his opinion straight

[charred gust]

he also didn't recommend lost judgment as well as gave the same take everyone was giving for FC6, i've watched those reviews and it felt like hearing a politician speak, he knows what to say to give you the impression he's not trying to stay within the lines of what everyone's saying but he does it in a way where he'll convince you to accept what he's saying by the end of the video

[shrewd sparrow]

I don't see why you have such a personal vendetta with him

[charred gust]

riders republic was good tho

[shrewd sparrow]

It's just steep with bikes and an awful monetization system and oh yeah the story 🤮

[shrewd sparrow]

Fc6 sucks and lost judgement is good and basically everyone agrees that it's good

[charred gust]

i don't have a vendetta with him i just found that throughout his reviews he'll say objectively wrong shit and give a general overview of some games that takes away from what they actually are

[shrewd sparrow]

That's his opinion dude

If you don't like his opinion don't watch his videos

It's that simple

It's not objectively wrong

[charred gust]

i'm not talking about the parts where he expresses his opinion, i'm talking about the parts where he'll speak about the history of a certain franchise, or describe gameplay / plot elements in the game that have nothing to do with your opinion

[shrewd sparrow]

He prefaces every vid with "it's my opinion" hell his titles use subjective vernacular (I recommend, I do not recommend) rather than "x game is good or x game is bad" like moistcritikal or mudahar or angry Joe or most yt reviewers

[charred gust]

you're literally missing the point here, how can you trust a reviewer who can't say it like it is when it comes to basic shit about a game, he can have his own opinion and that's fine, it's just that more often than not he has those tga moments where you're like "what ?"

[shrewd sparrow]

Like why don't you have a problem with critical giving Callisto like 60% and shitting on it

Just when skillups calls it bad

[charred gust]

can you be less of a 14 year old ?

like man thinks i'm trying to start a witch hunt against skillups

[shrewd sparrow]

Like me for example, I'm a huge doom fan. I'm my opinion he said some dumbass shit in his eternal review like how 2016 was better because you had more ammo, and it was more fun without all the movement abilities and stuff and how that doesn't align with the doom franchise but at the end of the day that's just his opinion

Why should I let myself get worked up because he didn't like a game that I do

[charred gust]

like i don't have a problem with the guy i'm just pointing out the flaws in his reviews, you need to stop being a baby about it, as far as critical if you want my honest take on him i have more respect for literally any other reviewer than him specifically

[charred gust]

once again literally missing the point i'm trying to make

[charred gust]

read this message again

[shrewd sparrow]

Disagree ≠ objectively wrong

You act like a cyberbully "victim" when the solution is to just turn the computer off

In this case don't watch his reviews

It's not that hard

You don't like it then don't watch it

[charred gust]

if i said GTA san andreas didn't have an AK 47 that's just disagreeing right

[charred gust]

You act like a sjw when the solution is to accept criticism and stop trying to whiteknight your fav reviewer

[shrewd sparrow]

I'm not gonna argue with you right now

Just don't watch his videos

[charred gust]

It's not that hard to accept criticism my guy, stop trying to always be the one who's right

[shrewd sparrow]

Lmao what

[charred gust]

Then don't waste our time in the first place my man

[shrewd sparrow]

"my fav reviewer" 💀

[charred gust]

Go watch another one of his reviews to calm yourself

[shrewd sparrow]

After I already said I disagree with almost everything he says

I just know how to not take criticism as a personal attack

And to let people voice their opinions

And not whine about it

[charred gust]

That doesn't really change the matter much btw

[shrewd sparrow]

Yes it does

He's not my favorite reviewer

I don't watch game reviews

I play them for myself

[charred gust]

Yeah yet you take my criticism of him as a personal attack and say shit like "just don't watch his reviews"

[shrewd sparrow]

I haven't watched a skillups video in months

[charred gust]

Have criticism about a game ? "just don't play it"

[shrewd sparrow]

I used to watch this week in videogames

[charred gust]

like bro you're either with criticism or not, regardless of what it is

so either own up to it and deal with it or accept it

[shrewd sparrow]

But I'm not though, I'm saying when you call something objectively wrong because he hurt your feewings don't pretend like the easiest solution isnt just to turn the video off

I was just making a counter claim to you saying he folds to the masses

When he very clearly doesn't

He likes hated games and dislikes loved games

It's what makes him as controversial as he is

[charred gust]

" I'm saying when you call something objectively wrong because he hurt your feewings" He hurt my feelings about a game i haven't played yet ?(far cry 6) like bro can you tell how stupid you sound right now

[shrewd sparrow]

He upset you about lost judgement and callisto

[charred gust]

"don't pretend like the easiest solution isnt just to turn the video off" Once again using the don't like it don't play it take to shield any criticism

[shrewd sparrow]

You kept bringing him up with callisto

"he didn't even play it"

"he probably just rushed through"

"he probably was in the easiest difficulty"

[shrewd sparrow]

I'm not shielding criticism. U can say whatever u want about skill up, he's not my mom. Just realize that you don't have to be angry over his reviews if u just simply don't watch them

[charred gust]

For starters when i watched his review i hadnt played the game yet and that's when i talked about him to express what i took from his review and what i was expecting, after i had played like 4 hours of it i came back to it to review it and what i said about him is that he just plain and simply said things that were objectively wrong which i specified

so i don't get where's your issue with that

like you seem upset because i'm giving criticism regarding his review

i can criticize his review however way i want after i play the game for myself, like just deal with it my guy lmfao

[shrewd sparrow]

I ain't reading allat

[charred gust]

yeah i said those things because once again, if you say a game has no side content when in fact it does the only logical explanation is you rushed through it and missed said side content

(which is a similar concession i got from aussie himself)

[charred gust]

I take that as a concession then

[shrewd sparrow]

Or his opinion is that it has no side content

That's a subjective criticism

[charred gust]

Is it an opinion to say that 1 = 0 ?

[shrewd sparrow]

It can't be that hard to understand

[charred gust]

It also can't be that hard to understand that 1 is not equal to 0

[shrewd sparrow]

Take it as whatever u want it's 1 a.m. and you're a grown man whining about a guy who made fun of a game you like

[charred gust]

If you want to say that the game has side content that is insignificant that it isn't that impressive go ahead, it's just that when you say and i quote "has no side content" you're giving the info that it has NO SIDE CONTENT AT ALL

[shrewd sparrow]

facts ≠ opinions

[charred gust]

and that if a person like me who watched your review before playing the game, they'll go in expecting no side content at all which could once again sway them away from the game (in my case it was downloading so this wasnt the case)

[shrewd sparrow]

Again, his opinion is that there's no side content

[charred gust]

You're literally the one who made this about callisto again

[manic hill]

@upbeat whale got 🎁 Present!

[charred gust]

I was looking at his review in order to decide if i wanna buy far cry 6 or not

[normal crown]

My god another z2k argument guys

[charred gust]

Like legit you keep saying i'm the one who's mentioning callisto when i was in fact talking about a completely different game lmfao

[shrewd sparrow]

If he found no side content or no side content to be engaging enough, then that's his opinion

If you did find it engaging cool

Good for you

[charred gust]

Like bro you're making it so clear that you are in fact hurt that i'm criticizing your guy, just i hope you realize that

[shrewd sparrow]

Clearly that experience isn't shared

[charred gust]

Yeah but that's not what he said and what he expressed in his review

Which is what i'm criticizing him for

If you say a game doesnt have something that could make or break it for me when it does you're essentially swaying me from buying it

(and thats literally what reviews are for, they give you an initial impression on whether a game is worth it or not)

[shrewd sparrow]

It's his opinion

I like that you're acting like I'm a skillup fan who's defending him because I like him

When I am A.) Not a fan and B.) Not defending him

[charred gust]

Now take his far cry 6 review for example, i'm 20 minutes in and he hasnt answered the one question i have for the game yet which is does this game offer a more linear approach or not, and he's already said something that i know is wrong which is this is the same game that we're used to since 3 as always (and considering 3 is a completely different game from 5 you get the point im trying to make i hope)

[charred gust]

That's the impression you're giving me

[shrewd sparrow]

It is the same shit

That's his opinion

It's also my opinion

As someone who enjoys the far cry series

They are all the same game besides the spinoffs which are actually unique

[charred gust]

Ok so i'll ask you this, if i bought far cry 5 would it have a linear narrative ?

as in its the same as it was in 3

story mission after story mission ?

can you answer that

[shrewd sparrow]

It's the same shit, u go to a waypoint, do a mission, progress the story

[charred gust]

answer the question

[shrewd sparrow]

Same gameplay

I just did

[charred gust]

.

[shrewd sparrow]

Read dawg

[charred gust]

answer that question

[shrewd sparrow]

U blind as shit

[charred gust]

Did you play far cry 5 dude ?

[shrewd sparrow]

Yes it's my favorite far cry

[charred gust]

Is it STORY mission after STORY mission like 3, or do you have to go farm a certain region to liberate it then get a story mission ?

[shrewd sparrow]

It's the same shit

[charred gust]

and did you play 3 ?

[shrewd sparrow]

Yes I've played every single far cry since 2

[charred gust]

Far Cry 5 is the same shit as 3 ?

this guy

lmfao

[shrewd sparrow]

Yes you go to a marker, do a mission, and progress

Just because it's labeled a side mission doesn't mean anything

[charred gust]

Can you stop trying to dodge the question dude ?

[charred gust]

So clearing random outpost #500 is a story mission right

[shrewd sparrow]

Whether I have to destroy 5 cultist vehicles as a side mission or destroy 5 pirate vehicles as a main mission it's the same shit

[charred gust]

lmfao

Yeah that's all i had to hear my guy

[shrewd sparrow]

That's all they ever boil down too

"defend this area" "blow this up"

Okay now watch cutscene

Oh shoot cool mohawked guy kidnapped me again

Time to stealth mission my way out

Rinse repeat through all the games

[charred gust]

Thanks for proving you didn't actually play any of the games before 5

[shrewd sparrow]

Lmao okay dude

[charred gust]

the prologue of the game btw

[shrewd sparrow]

Whatever you say

[charred gust]

Look dude the fact that you said clearing random outpost #904 is also a story mission says it all

That's a concession on its own

like thanks for proving you're the exact reason why ubisoft won't change their formula, i already had an impression of that considering you said wildlands was a great game but still

[shrewd sparrow]

Ice played the beginning of fc2, played fc3 5 times, played fc4 once, played primal but didn't finish it, played 5 3 times, played new dawn but didn't finish it, and played fc6

[charred gust]

out of curiosity whats your take on 6 ?

[shrewd sparrow]

They are all just mid games with the same exact gameplay loop and mission design

[charred gust]

just to know whether to get it or not

[shrewd sparrow]

It's fun because I enjoy the basic far cry formula of blowing shit up and having fun

If you don't enjoy that you won't like it

The games are nothing more than generic

[charred gust]

I did enjoy that ever since the first game, what i'm asking you about is it a garbage copy paste clear region type game like they've all been since primal

or is the side stuff actually separated like the first 4 did

[shrewd sparrow]

Because it is great. To me. I appreciate that the game doesn't try to do these shitty story missions like breakpoint did, they just let you play. The mission is just "clear the outpost" and you get too choose however which way to go about that

That's what sandboxes are all about

Loose mission structure

You are supposed to have fun

It's why rockstars missions kinda suck dick

They punish you for having any level of fun and give you no freedom

You have to just play exactly as r* wants you too

[charred gust]

no like i get that, i've already expressed this many times with you, i get that you enjoy generic copy pasted games that took 10 minutes to make and are just reskinned throughout, that's your opinion and you're allowed to enjoy them

[charred gust]

now about this

[shrewd sparrow]

Yes everything is just copy and pasted and spammed around. You'll be clearing the same exact checkpoints, same outposts, etc

The one cool thing is that there's a proper city in the map

Which is new for the series

[charred gust]

btw about this, didn't you say RDR2 was your fav game of all time ?

[shrewd sparrow]

I'm saying I enjoy one like that

One gane

Not every fucking game dude

[shrewd sparrow]

Yes

[charred gust]

i don't really care for those, it's just that are the story missions separated or locked behind clearing regions

[shrewd sparrow]

And the game has terrible mission design

[charred gust]

like is it mission 1 - mission 2 - mission 3 or prologue - introduction to regions - go clear region 1 - mission 1 - cutscene - go clear region 2 - mission 2 - cutscene like far cry 5

[shrewd sparrow]

Some are some aren't. The game has story missions but it's like far cry 5 in the sense that you choose which provinces to target first

[charred gust]

yeah as obscene as this take is it's yours and i'll respect that

[shrewd sparrow]

Rockstar gives you a fail state for not doing exactly what you are told

Watch the nakeyjakey video

[charred gust]

so like say i don't want to clear the provinces at all, i can just play the story missions in order and do some side stuff if i'm burnt out with the story right

[shrewd sparrow]

https://youtu.be/MvJPKOLDSos

[shrewd sparrow]

No cause the story missions are province specific

So you are going through them but also clearing the province

Cause the missions are badic

Clear outpost, defend area, blow up this car

That's the majority of what you'll be doing

It's not like 5 where u go help x side character and raise a bar

[charred gust]

i already understand what you want from a game, you want to be able to spawn in the mission, run around as far as you want then wait for the AI to follow you to the edge of the map and then kill him, or have the creative liberty to take on a certain section in any way you want, so whenever you don't find that you instantly hate the system of the game

[shrewd sparrow]

There's a mini story tied to each region and doing them progresses the overall story

[charred gust]

oh

[shrewd sparrow]

But the story is bad imo

There's only one character I liked

And the main villain was not good

[charred gust]

skillups said gustavo's character is dead

[shrewd sparrow]

Despite being gus

[charred gust]

he said you dont interact with him for 85% of the game

if thats true then uhhhhhh

thats a just cause game

like its funny because i first made this comparison in 5

i said these games are gonna eventually become first person just cause games

and it seems like thats the case

[shrewd sparrow]

Watch the nakeyjakey video.

I don't want any of what you described. I want to be able to attempt stealth in a stealth mission, I want to be able to literally walk without a fail state occurring, please just watch the video

[charred gust]

there's a dictator, go kill him by clearing out the regions he controls and his mini goons

[shrewd sparrow]

You don't interact with him for 95% of the game

[charred gust]

do that through blowing up shit and doing the same activities for the majority of the game

like thats a just cause game

[shrewd sparrow]

There's only 2 scenes where the protagonist and antagonist are in the same scene

[charred gust]

i'm watching it rn

[charred gust]

what

[shrewd sparrow]

One at the beginning and one at the end

The rest are just u seeing Gus on the news or in some random cutscene

He's hardly even in the game

And when he his he's got these shitty woke politics to spew

Clearly written by tone deaf liberals with green hair in the Ubisoft office

Instead of trying to say anything meaningful like 3 or 5 it's just "white people bad cause slavery"

Like wow Ubisoft I never knew slavery was bad 😱

[charred gust]

i legit want to like a far cry game, for a while now

but like

primal was the last one i liked and that was for the gameplay

i dismissed the region system in that game because i thought due to the reception of that game they were gonna forget it

but they didnt

and ever since its been going down to shit

[shrewd sparrow]

Ad much as I respect building an entire language for your game, it totally ruined it for me

I hate those spinoffs tbh

Only one I like is blood dragon

They are definitely unique though

Turning the game into a survival RPG in new dawn was completely silly

Definitely not the move

[charred gust]

@shrewd sparrow i'm 5 mins in the video and a quick timeout

i get what he's saying totally, and that's something i myself experienced when i replayed AC4 recently

that game is considered to be the best AC game for most people, but the fact is 80% of its missions are tail this person to a spot without being seen, and do it in a certain way that the game doesnt think you're too far before those 5 seconds go and it fails you, then kill them

which made it a drag for me personally, like when i realized this i barely was getting through the game to try and finish it, the only parts i genuinely still enjoyed as much as i did when i played it for the first time were the ship battles

on this note i get what you're saying, the thing is however i never had that same vibe with the rockstar games, the strat he mentioned in the beginning was actually surprising to me because i do remember doing stuff like that in those games too, it's nice to know other people also used to do it, i think if you can make a game that's linear and not non linear as the guy termed it while still avoiding that vibe where you feel like you're constrained it's a W, and tbh from my experience with RDR2 it's a bad example to give

like if you wanna talk about non linear mission design there's 2 types that stick out like a sore thumb on being the opposite of this, that's chase / tail missions as well as missions where you need to protect someone and make sure they don't die

if you step outside these 2 from my experience anything rockstar has made in the modern age is flexible enough in allowing you to do what you want without giving you a failed state that you can consider it non linear design

@shrewd sparrow i get the guy's criticism, it's actually valid and obviously that's his take, this is one of those situations however where i find myself with the exact opposite opinion on the matter

he mentioned one GTA 4 mission which is actually reminiscent of vice city's hitman missions system where a guy calls you, gives you instructions on a certain randomly generated npc and tells you to go kill them, which like he said is the equivalent of a lego setpiece, it's gonna be different for everyone right

but that's where i disagree with him, the fact is it's different but that on its own creates an even bigger issue, it's still a randomly generated npc and when you do that you sacrifice the control you have over the mission in making it as great as you can since you're specifically designing it and how it plays out and going for a more general randomized take that you can only do so much in

so yeah it's an interesting take and i respect that's how he feels but i disagree

i feel like at this day and age there's 2 types of players when it comes to basic game mechanics, you either love randomly generated generic shit because it's different and you have that neural activation of hey its different - that means i have freedom! i love this design or you actually prefer something that's controlled and designed to be A tier, i personally found that after playing enough of those random generic shit you realize it's garbage and get a phobia for them

[shrewd sparrow]

I'd much rather have freedom

Ghost recon Wildlands has far more replay value than the last of us

And that's why I'm playing a game

I don't play games for one and done experiences that I could get from say - a movie

It's why I can't reply the last of us, why I can't finish it's sequel, likely contributes to me not being able to finish god of war

Even though the story of God of War is really intriguing and the gameplay was really fun

I don't like being railroaded

I mean I've played through RDR2 5 times but that's because the story is just very compelling and also I know that everytime I finish a mission the sandbox will give me the freedom I crave

[charred gust]

Yeah no i get what you're saying completely, it's the opposite to me not being able to finish wildlands, breakpoint or far cry 5, you like playing the same shit over and over again as long as it gives you freedom on how to do it and that's fine but for me personally i don't

[shrewd sparrow]

And I remain hopeful for a rockstar game to have freedom in mission and in sandbox

[charred gust]

god of war is a bad example if you ask me btw, since it never really gives you a fail state or anything

[shrewd sparrow]

Breakpoint isn't like that

Breakpoint railroads you

It rarely gives you freedom in it's missions

[normal crown]

They're still going y'all

[normal crown]

What

[charred gust]

Riz try to be on topic for once challenge :

[shrewd sparrow]

We can't speak?

[normal crown]

Ah yes water is wet

[normal crown]

No

[shrewd sparrow]

THEY ARE STILL TALKING????

[manic hill]

@molten pewter got 🎁 Present!

[normal crown]

Stop speaking

[shrewd sparrow]

NO WAY

IN AN ONLINE CHATTING APP????

[normal crown]

Freedom of speech is a myth

[shrewd sparrow]

Yes but it's rollercoaster game design

[normal crown]

Bro's getting hyper over a joke, chill out bruh idc what y'all are talking about anyway 🤣

Bye bois

[charred gust]

i didn't like it because i did some of those villas missions and those felt like straight from wildlands, get in kill the guards loot the place around until the game finds what it's looking for and ticks the checkbox then get out

[shrewd sparrow]

No Wildlands wasn't like that

Breakpoints missions are all structured around finding a piece of intel

Then consulting it in the documents

Then rinse and repeat

It's actually just the same mission over and over again but it railroads you to playing a certain way

"remain undetected" is the main one

Wildlands had very few missions forcing you to stay stealth

Stealth was encouraged because well it's ghost recon

But you were never forced into it

[charred gust]

if i had to give my take on wildlands it would be this, i played it for 9 hours and it gave me the same repetitive garbage vibe thats seen in both the modern ghost recon and far cry games, go to an outpost kill enough randomly generated npcs and get out, which is the same thing just cause 3 also had, by the time i get to half the game i'm just already, theres no actual progression in the game it's just you going around leaving a bloodbath behind you, you explore all the game has to offer mechanics wise by that time and since there's no plot to back it up in the first place it's just an empty experience

[shrewd sparrow]

Not never, just seldom

[shrewd sparrow]

Everything here is right besides you saying that there's no progression or no plot because both are untrue

Wildlands actually has multiple different progression systems

And the plot of Wildlands isn't necessarily awful if you pay attention to atleast the main cutscenes for like taking down one of the leaders

It's certainly not good

And the ending is awful

But the plot is very fitting for the game

Cool guy action hero: too cool to die, turns in all the bad guys to his female superior

[charred gust]

the plot is as thick as a just cause game, there's a dictator, kill his goons to get to him, the only interesting thing about the plot for me was when i saw the ending on someone's stream who was playing it dont remember who, the fact that the USA can actually side with him and protect him (which is realistic) but literally other than that its just ooga booga kill goon 1 - kill goon 2 - kill goon 3 to get to big boss goon

also the shock value in how that rebel guy betrays you and he throws his head around too

[charred gust]

what i meant when i said theres no progression is that the experience of playing the final mission of the game is surprisingly similar to when you're just starting out, you'll have NPCs on your side aiding you and will have better loot / gear but that's about it, for me these types of games miss plot factors that make you feel what you've been through, the only case i can excuse this is the souls games, i have like 2 bosses left in DS2 but these games make up for themselves in that aspect because of the struggle you have to go through to get to the end, and the plot that the game has actually has an interesting and somewhat vague-ish end goal, in wildlands i never felt like that, it was just like cool, i'm done with another outpost, lets move on to the next so i can get one step closer to killing the bad guy

[shrewd sparrow]

Because it's an open world sandbox game. That's what these games are all about

Ghost Recon is a very arcadey shooter

The stories have always been over the top and cheesy

While also lacking substance

That's why I think open world was such a W for ghost recon

You can ignore the arcadey bullshit if you like the gameplay

Then clearing outposts doesn't feel like a chore, it's fun

If you don't like that then it's not your type of game

[charred gust]

i know, and that's why i said you're allowed to like them if that's what gives you fun, it's just that not everyone has that take, what i'd love to see them try is take a more AC like approach, where they can keep that aspect of the open world outposts and shit but at the same time keep a good overall game

[charred gust]

i've already said this before with far cry primal, the only thing that got me through that game was its fun gameplay

[shrewd sparrow]

AC is more bullshit than ghost recon is

[charred gust]

however if you take that away in a future game it just becomes exposed

[shrewd sparrow]

Epic 100 hour story of "kill this fucker" then level up with a bunch of meaningless numbers and now "go kill that fucker"

I couldn't finish Valhalla

There was no coherent story

Just a bunch of random mini stories

It was like the worst anthology you could ever consume

[charred gust]

The point is it can be anyone's type of game, like how i enjoyed primal, the problem is that how likely you are to like a game that uses this system is very low compared to how you'll like the next rockstar game

[shrewd sparrow]

Disparate content, only connected through one guy's pov who btw is the most blandest mf

[charred gust]

the rpg progression in the modern AC games is

which is why im hopeful for mirage

any RPG game that forces you to grind it is dumb

which is why i love the god of war games

you don't have to grind anything, and the side quests are actually original and not copy pasted trash so you actually want to play them

the loot as well isn't hey this is a level 5 blade not a level 9 one

[normal crown]

Imma contribute to this conversation

yeah the new GOW games have great progression

you can just do the story if you wish but exploration is heavily encouraged

the fact that it gives you freedom is what I love unlike ac origins which I dropped cuz I had to level up 5 levels to progress the story

Like if you're going to force me to do side stuff, at least make it compelling like tw3

[manic hill]

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[charred gust]

yes

W take

uncommon riz W

[normal crown]

common

[charred gust]

i'll consider it common since im in the mood

[normal crown]

TW3 also did progression very well, you're never forced to go out an explore

unless you want to go to later level areas like skellige

[shrewd sparrow]

Yes but games shouldnt be made for everyone. If you don't like a games gameplay then move on from it, because that's the most important aspect of videogames.

I don't think the second half is true. Just because you like ghost recons non-linear missions doesn't make you predisposed to disliking RDR2s linear missions.

There's a lot of people that like sandbox games and non linear missions structure but couldn't give less of a shit about the story.

Ghost recon, far cry, just cause, that shit is great for that type of player. Even the old GTA games, just video game junk food to entertain the mind, bar ghost recon where a lot of the replayability for us gr players come from self imposed challenges (forcing immersion, playing with no HUD, roleplaying, etc.)

I think I'm literally the perfect example of this. RDR2 is my favorite game of all time despite hating it's mission structure? Why? Well because I actually do find the story compelling enough to keep playing main missions, hell I love the story to have played through it 5 times...

But red dead redemption 2 also has what I find to be a very enjoying gameplay loop and it has a good enough sandbox outside of missions. So I can have my fun in the sandbox and consume the missions like it's a last of us game, sure whatever.

I simply just don't see why that disconnect needs to exist though. Why not just combine the two elements and give you freedom to approach missions how you want? It's only a net positive for everyone involved. Instead of spoon-feeding everything to you in missions just let you play, give you an objective and let you do it. It wouldn't ruin the experience for anyone

[normal crown]

but that's done so people dont go out of their way to break the story's structure

RDR2's mission structure sucks yeah

[charred gust]

I'll answer your last point with your first one, "Yes but games shouldnt be made for everyone. If you don't like a games gameplay then move on from it, because that's the most important aspect of videogames."

[normal crown]

it definitely has some goofy gameplay designs

if the world wasnt as pretty and as immersive then I'd have hated it

but rdr2 is so well made that you'll literally get off your horse and hunt deer for 4 hours and still have fun

[shrewd sparrow]

Yeah that's my point. I'm showing why that mass market appeal bullshit fails cause not everyone is gonna like every game

Yet RDR2 would only benefit from non-linear missions

[normal crown]

anyway so here's why the modern GOW games suck 🥱

[charred gust]

On a more serious note tho i imagine it has to do more with the technical limitations of their engine, take for example how online missions in GTA games have no AI whatsoever present on the map, and how certain NPCs interact with each other, imagine if you're playing a mission, you try to take the freedom in traveling halfway across the map and one of your companion NPCs gets hit by a train and you get a fail state again

[shrewd sparrow]

It's a sandbox game that's the point

[normal crown]

the older GOW games were visceral but the newer ones are for 12 yr olds 🤓

the old games had boobs where the titties go?!

the new ones have atreus 🤢

[shrewd sparrow]

Common riz W

The furry

[normal crown]

[normal crown]

true

the old ones also had sex

clearly the superior game

cant really argue with that one, no one can

[charred gust]

You're not showing anything dude, you're contradicting yourself by saying games arent made for everyone and if you don't like how a game is move on from it yet complaining about RDR2's mission structure should be like the ghost recon games, they're not and they're great, and should stay that way.

[normal crown]

but yeah in all seriousness, I really miss the action and spectacle that the older games had, thought ragnarok would have more spectacle tbh but 'ragnarok' was so disappointing

[shrewd sparrow]

Nope, never said that

[charred gust]

thats because the same community always cries about everything

[normal crown]

the GOW community is a bit problematic

[charred gust]

i mean people have been crying about gmgow's difficulty for a while now, even back in 2018

"that boss has a pattern i cant read" boohoo it isnt a fucking souls game, deal with it or lower the difficulty lmfao

[normal crown]

see, I think the newer games are fucking amazing but I think they're unnecessary

after GOW3 the series should've just ended

[charred gust]

you went back to giving an L take

[normal crown]

it was the perfect ending, even tho I dont dislike the newer ones

[charred gust]

if they didnt exist you wouldnt know about the original gow games

lmfao

[normal crown]

yes

that's facts

but it doesn't change the fact that they're unnecessary, but because of them GOW is still prominent

[shrewd sparrow]

Never played a GOW game till 4 and never played one since

[normal crown]

I'm not talking about whether or not there needed to be new GOW games, but did this story really need to be told is the question

[shrewd sparrow]

I couldn't beat it

I gave up after getting mimir

[manic hill]

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[normal crown]

if you play it, start from 3

[shrewd sparrow]

I wish I could get into it

[charred gust]

they're great since they're still keeping the torch warm until we can see most devs being able to make games of their same quality

[normal crown]

(start from 1)

[shrewd sparrow]

I want to love it

[manic hill]

@molten pewter got 🎁 Present!

[shrewd sparrow]

No I don't want to play those old ones

[normal crown]

yes, I understand that, like I said they're great games, it's just that the arc that they cover with kratos is incredible, but is it a story that needed to be told is the question

[normal crown]

No

[charred gust]

thats the same question with does AC need to continue ? and theres no definitive answer to it

[normal crown]

play them

[normal crown]

yes

[shrewd sparrow]

I think I just have to give up trying to like them

[normal crown]

same question but AC went the wrong route, GOW went the right route

[shrewd sparrow]

Especially since all my friends spoiled Ragnarok for me

[normal crown]

you know there's the old games that are absolutely amazing right? ☠️

they're action games

[charred gust]

i think every franchise eventually has to end, which is why they're not releasing yearly games

the next mythology is probably gonna be the last one for the god of war franchise

[normal crown]

yes, which is exactly my problem for GOW

[charred gust]

which is why i invite people to appreciate these games as much as they can while we still have them

[normal crown]

they're still planning to continue it

[charred gust]

its not like AC where they'll still be making them by 2040

[normal crown]

hopefully

[shrewd sparrow]

It's not a problem with me not enjoying the games it's a problem with me not being able to get into them because I know the story

The only game I don't know the story of is GOW4

but that game is too long

[normal crown]

the first three gow games are unrelated to the story of the newer ones, unless u know the story of the old ones

[manic hill]

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[normal crown]

the old ones are also heavily gameplay oriented

[shrewd sparrow]

Like when I got mimir and my friends told me I wasn't even halfway I was genuinely pissed

[charred gust]

i don't see the problem, one more mythology and then that's it, like i said they're keeping the torch warm for up and coming devs until the market learns to make games like them, it's how quantic dream are making a star wars game now

[normal crown]

you're EXACTLY halfway through

who said that 😭

[charred gust]

and supermassive came from what they made

[normal crown]

I hope they stop it eventually, because it feels like milking after a point

[shrewd sparrow]

Still I have like 25 hours on my save I'm sorry that's way too damn long for me

[charred gust]

how is it too long tho

[normal crown]

the fuck 😭 the game is 20 hours

it's not that long

[shrewd sparrow]

I can't play railroad games for 50 hours

[charred gust]

like DS2 is longer and that game's a shitshow of a game, literally worthless

[normal crown]

I finished ragnarok in 21

☠️

the old GOW games arent even long, I finished 3 in a day

they

bruh

[charred gust]

didn't you say RDR2 is your fav game

[normal crown]

they're extremely spectacular and short and sweet

[shrewd sparrow]

Riz ready to put the game into the easiest difficulty and tell me "they ain't that long"

[manic hill]

@molten pewter got 🎁 Present!

[normal crown]

what?

I played on give me no mercy

[shrewd sparrow]

[manic hill]

@molten pewter got 🎁 Present!

[shrewd sparrow]

Yeah right bud

[normal crown]

the older ones are just short no matter the difficulty

[charred gust]

[shrewd sparrow]

Yeah

And no it's not too long

[normal crown]

even if I played on the hardest difficulty it'd be like 10-11 hours

[charred gust]

what was your playtime in that game

RDR2 is longer than GOW 2018 dude

[normal crown]

rdr2 is longer than GOW

💀

[charred gust]

wtf are you on about

lmfao

[normal crown]

GOW2018 is not that long

bruh

[shrewd sparrow]

I have 1000 hours in it, I have completed the story 5 times

[shrewd sparrow]

No shit

[normal crown]

my brain is collapsing cuz of what you're saying

[shrewd sparrow]

Nice counting genius

[charred gust]

yeah and what im telling you is if you could finish RDR2 you wont have a problem with 2018

[normal crown]

No like, GOW4 and GOWR are average length

they're even shorter than TLOU2

[charred gust]

like 2018 is 3/5 of RDR2's length

[normal crown]

I think it's exactly half of rdr2's length

[shrewd sparrow]

I do because the story and world are less interesting so I'm only playing for the gameplay at that point which is fun but basic and doesn't carry the game enough for me

[charred gust]

yeah it really depends on what you do in both games

they both have actual good side quests

so you'll prob wanna mix in between the main and side of both of them

man i wanna replay RDR2 for the 100th time now

fucks sakes that game is too goated

[normal crown]

GOW2018 didnt have as intriguing side quests as ragnarok

I'm not even gonna talk about the old gow games cuz they're super linear

and no the 'difficulty 🤓 ' doesnt matter, I played on medium

[charred gust]

i havent finished ragnarok yet to give a final take but like 2018 was the standard i was using for how side quests should be in a game back when it came out

all original, no garbage, just 📠 no 🧢

[normal crown]

I think i didnt do side stuff in 2018

I did one

the faufnir one

where the dwarf is a dragon

(I think?)

[charred gust]

yeah i understand that if you're not interested in the plot / world it can turn into one of those experiences, altho if you were able to playthrough wildlands which had no plot and good gameplay i'm sure you'll be able to play through a game with actual plot and gameplay too

[normal crown]

idk I dont like GOW2018 much

[charred gust]

[normal crown]

I'm just tryna convince jpik to play the old games

[charred gust]

L bozo

[normal crown]

https://tenor.com/view/god-of-war-punch-fight-kratos-gif-7990500

[shrewd sparrow]

Red dead redemption 2 has an amazing world, to where I'd find new things even in a 4th, 5th playthrough. Even the story, all the character nuances you don't pick up on at first. Its just such a well made game, not that GOW4 isn't but it just doesn't capture me the same.

Where RDR2 fills it's runtime with epic set pieces, wonderful drama, awesome heists, and nuanced character interactions GOW4 pads it's game with shitty puzzles that you get handheld through anyway, shallow exploration in a pseudo open world, and an admittedly compelling story but just not enough for me

[manic hill]

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[normal crown]

true I hate GOW4

but have you played GOW3

it has sex

you get to fuck aphrodite, kill her husband, come back and fuck her again

(it genuinely shocked me)

[charred gust]

once again proves you're just speaking out of your ass, GOW4 didn't have handheld puzzles my guy

[normal crown]

yeah lol

[charred gust]

like bro please get an original take that isn't from youtube reviews

[normal crown]

GOW4 doesnt have handheld puzzles that's in GOWR 💀

[shrewd sparrow]

But Wildlands gave me freedom and didn't make me do shit exactly as it's told to me. Also you're bringing up thai comparison which is silly,.I would have never made it
And before you try to put the words into my mouth, I'm not saying Wildlands is better than gow4

[normal crown]

yeah man, I'm sorry but that's wrong facts

the puzzle thing

GOW4 doesnt have good puzzles anyway

but yeah

[shrewd sparrow]

Yes it does.

[normal crown]

what?

it doesnt 💀

[shrewd sparrow]

Kratos saying "let me move this over here" Atreus saying "I could shoot that!"

[normal crown]

No

what the fuck

[shrewd sparrow]

Like stfu Atreus

[normal crown]

kratos doesnt even speak

neither does atreus, except for to give lore info

same with mimir

😭

that's on GOWR

[shrewd sparrow]

Bro they literally talk all the time

They are constantly chatting

[normal crown]

it's mostly about lore

they dont give hints about puzzles in GOW2018

there are none, and I've recently played the game so it's fresh in my memory

now the puzzles are shitty, but that's beside the point

[shrewd sparrow]

I just remember the game handholding way too much

[normal crown]

kratos would never be the type of mf to say 'lemme go over there' 😭

[normal crown]

😭 I'm sorry you're remembering wrong bruh

there's some puzzle handholding in GOWR

[shrewd sparrow]

I'm not because it literally made me stop playing the game

[normal crown]

but that's it

[normal crown]

???

[shrewd sparrow]

Was those awful "puzzles"

[charred gust]

no like i'm not trying to put words in your mouth, i'm just pointing out how i respect your take but i'm inviting you to reconsider how 2018 isn't a handheld game, it doesn't even do the fail state thing r$ games do, if you don't wanna be somewhere you can just leave for most of the times and the game is much more open in terms of letting you do what you want to, you can literally turn off the HUD and go where ever you want to (assuming you have the means to currently)

[manic hill]

@molten pewter got 🎁 Present!

[normal crown]

this guy when he gets to the garden of olympia in GOW3 (best puzzle)

literally got me stuck

but then I figured it out and it was so cool

[shrewd sparrow]

If they didn't handhold in gow4 then the puzzles were likely too simple

[normal crown]

anyway, bad puzzle design isnt the topic, it's whether or not GOW2018 has handholding and the answer to that is no, it doesnt have any

[shrewd sparrow]

Like it's 3.in the fucking morning

[charred gust]

those awful puzzles that there's like 4 of in the entire game right, all of which are 20 - 30 seconds max ?

[normal crown]

yes

[shrewd sparrow]

I'm misremembering

[normal crown]

the puzzles suck

[charred gust]

now you're literally backpedaling on what you said and still choosing a reason to hate it

[shrewd sparrow]

I think I'm conflating it with horizon

[charred gust]

like bro i get it you don't wanna like the game, i've already told you that's fine, just please don't do the act everyone does of shitting on it for absolutely no reason

[shrewd sparrow]

Bro it is 3AM and you're putting me in the spot

[charred gust]

i'm not

[normal crown]

I dont remember any gow2018 puzzles except for that one super annoying puzzle where kratos gets stuck and atreus has to free him by doing a combination of sun and moon and that shit, but jpik isnt even at that point

it's in tyr's temple

[charred gust]

i've told you 50000 times this is just how i talk to people, it's normal

we're just having a conversation

[shrewd sparrow]

Put words in my mouth why don't you

[normal crown]

anyway @shrewd sparrow imma do you a favour the new GOW games are story driven, but the old ones are like nier automata (action games) play them tomorrow

[shrewd sparrow]

You don't fucking speak for me

[normal crown]

GOW1, 2 and 3 are pure class

[shrewd sparrow]

I don't own them

[normal crown]

so fucking good

[normal crown]

you have a ps5 right?

[shrewd sparrow]

I think I can play 3

[normal crown]

just get ps+

[charred gust]

i'm literally barely halfway through ragnarok and it already has more puzzles than 2018 did, the game had those chest rune puzzles you have to throw your axe at, any other puzzle that was in it isn't memorable to me

[shrewd sparrow]

I have ps+extra

[normal crown]

I'd recommend 3, but you should watch a brief plot summary first cuz GOW3 starts immediately after GOW2

like immediately

like 2 seconds after GOW2

it starts exactly at the end of GOW2

[shrewd sparrow]

I really don't think I'll care for it but I'll consider it

I'm not gonna play them now

[normal crown]

you said you love hyper violence in your games right?

like a lot of violence?

the old GOW games are just pure violence and adrenaline

[shrewd sparrow]

Yeah and that's also what I liked in GOW4

I liked the brutality

And the gameplay

[normal crown]

well GOW4 is like a hello kitty game compared to GOW3

[shrewd sparrow]

And the story

[normal crown]

you can literally rip peoples' heads off with the press of a button

[charred gust]

i'm not lmfao, i'm giving you the impression you're giving me with what you're saying, "If they didn't handhold in gow4 then the puzzles were likely too simple", no bro if you're gonna say the puzzles are too simple i am gonna call you out for it and i'm not putting words in your mouth by saying you're choosing to hate on the game because that's exactly what you're doing, so own up to it

[normal crown]

the old GOW games are brutal

and that's an understatement

[shrewd sparrow]

Which is why it makes me genuinely fucking angry when @charred gust says some shit like "like bro I get you don't wanna like the game" when I decide to say one thing I dislike in a sea of compliments

[normal crown]

well here's what imma say just play the first 10 mins of GOW3 that's all you'll need to decide whether or not you want to play it

no spoilers.

[strange wadi]

me when tyr's temple ragnarök puzzle

[normal crown]

oh yeah that one

jeez it was a pain in the ass

[charred gust]

but you didnt say anything, you literally proved you didn't know what you were talking about so whatever you said after that is just you saying whatever

[strange wadi]

or the winds of hel rings in that same area

[normal crown]

'move that 🤓 ' 'move this'

[charred gust]

like i hope this is clear

[normal crown]

like bro shut up

[normal crown]

you're confusing ragnarok with 2018

ragnarok doesnt have hel rings

[strange wadi]

I'm talking about 2018 in both

[normal crown]

anyway @shrewd sparrow what's ur opinion on hack n slash games

the real reason I'm recommending the old GOW games are cuz they're hack n slash

(and they're extremely good)

[strange wadi]

I'm calling it the ragnarök puzzle cuz skol and hati

[normal crown]

GOW3 is definitely my second favourite game of all time

[normal crown]

that fucking sucked

that's what I'm talking about too

GOW2018 had some of the worst puzzles

[charred gust]

this is legit a common thing i see with people, i try to give them the benefit of the doubt of saying they played both recently and confused them but more often than not that's not the case

[strange wadi]

Yes both of those are in 2018

[normal crown]

gow3 puzzles are so much fun

I'm just a simp for the old gow games

[strange wadi]

Hera's chalice diamond thingy

[normal crown]

yes I had fun with that one

took me a while to figure it out, but it wasnt annoying

gardens of olympia

the only part I didnt like was the last part with pandora

[strange wadi]

i was frustrated at first but after finishing it i came to develop an appreciation for it

[normal crown]

'hurry!'

'hurry kratos!'

[strange wadi]

where she's drowning?

[normal crown]

stfu fucking pre born atreus looking ass

[normal crown]

yes

[strange wadi]

atreus 0.5

[normal crown]

it wasnt difficult, her voice was annoying

[strange wadi]

riz

[normal crown]

and at that point I was kratos

[strange wadi]

do you got rizz

[normal crown]

using women as levers

the old gow games are fucking insane

[normal crown]

yes

[strange wadi]

kratos really changed fr

[normal crown]

I did gow3 sex minigame 4 times!!

2 times before killing her husband (wont spoil )

and 2 times after!

[strange wadi]

Wait did Poseidon princess get crushed by the lever i don't remember

[normal crown]

yes

she turns into soup

[charred gust]

before the time of sjws

[strange wadi]

[charred gust]

and getting canceled over anything

[normal crown]

they're so fucking crazy it's genuinely insane

[shrewd sparrow]

"so own up to it"

When did I say I hate the game? When did I even say I dislike it?

You see why I say you take criticisms to a game you like as personal attacks and then once you get defensive you just can't get over yourself

I literally said I like the gameplay, that I like the story, and that I liked the world (just not as compelling as RDR2)

Then I criticised it for being too long, and for the puzzles handholding me too much. Which I swore they did because I always found the puzzles a trivial and meaningless inclusion to just pad the game out. But I'm taking yours and riz' word for it because it's 3am and I could have been mistaken that they handhold you and the actual problem was that they were just too simple.

I know you don't have the capacity to admit when you are wrong about something, so it's hard to realize when you see me doing it. But just because I concede one point doesn't make another untrue, and it certainly doesn't mean I'm "backpedaling"

[normal crown]

I knew what kratos was gonna do with poseidon's princess

but the fact that you can fuck aphrodite after you kill her husband

[charred gust]

young kratos was insane

[strange wadi]

me waiting for a circle to appear over a female character in GoW:R (why isn't it happening yet)

[normal crown]

I love how many innocent people you can kill too

[normal crown]

dude when the circle appeared over her head I laughed so loud I'm telling you

😭

[shrewd sparrow]

I like them. MGR and Nier 👍

[normal crown]

yeah well the old GOW games are hack n slash and imo have much better gameplay than the new games

just an opinion z2k, dont get mad btw

I love the combat

[strange wadi]

NAHHHHHHHH FUCKER SPOILED IT FOR ME

[shrewd sparrow]

lmaoooo

[strange wadi]

fuck you rizz

[shrewd sparrow]

You already know you have to say that

[normal crown]

Not in GOWR, talking about GOW3

[strange wadi]

Ohhhhh

[shrewd sparrow]

Or you get a paragraph about why you're wrong and why you need to accept reality

[strange wadi]

Kratos is the original city boy

[normal crown]

the new GOW games cant be as wild

😔

[strange wadi]

They can

[normal crown]

the old gow games are fucking insane I'm telling you @shrewd sparrow

[shrewd sparrow]

I believe you

I've seen gameplay

[strange wadi]

Kratos literally asks mimir if he taught atreus how to fuck somebody

[normal crown]

using a woman as an object

[shrewd sparrow]

I watched critical play the trilogy

[normal crown]

(literally)

[shrewd sparrow]

That's why I already know the story

[charred gust]

once again you're writing an essay to not saying anything, i'll ask you to stop using the victim card and saying i'm taking your criticism as a personal attack when all i've been doing is correcting you or anyone for that matter who says incorrect shit, you said something that isn't true and i corrected you for it (the handholding in puzzles not being a thing in 2018), learn to accept that, as far as whether you backpedaled or not you literally said "If they didn't handhold in gow4 then the puzzles were likely too simple", how is this not backpedaling ? its you like i said still trying to shit on the game's puzzles which like i said is you saying whatever after being proven wrong

stop playing the victim card and deal with it my guy

[normal crown]

not an issue, game's still fun to play

[strange wadi]

games'*

games're*

[leaden orchid]

Puzzles were definitely not GOW’s strong suit

Both 2018 and Ragnarok

[strange wadi]

truth

[normal crown]

old GOW games had good puzzles imo

[leaden orchid]

I can’t speak for the old GOW games since I’ve only watched cutscenes

[charred gust]

the guy tried to shit on 2018 by using the same argument people shit on ragnarok with (handholding)

and he just can't deal with it once me and riz called him out for it

like my god

[normal crown]

😔

no one knows 😭

[strange wadi]

GOW 1 desert puzzle had child 5~8 year old (i think?) me questioning my own sanity

[manic hill]

@strange wadi got 🎁 Present!

[normal crown]

me after playing the old GOW games: (I dislike the new ones now )

[shrewd sparrow]

Incorrect shit? No, my opinion

"Learn to accept that," I already did

"How is that not backpedaling" because WHY the puzzles are bad is semantics, the point is that they are bad

I already said

[leaden orchid]

Disliking one part of the game is not shitting on it

[shrewd sparrow]

It's 3AM

I have brain fog

[normal crown]

garden of olympia puzzle has to be the most rewarding puzzle in the game

[strange wadi]

I played all 5 main GOW games, they're all bangers 🥶

[normal crown]

GOW2018 doesnt have good puzzles.

[shrewd sparrow]

Just cause I misremembered the reason I didn't like the puzzles doesn't make the criticism less valid

[normal crown]

they pad out game time and are literally useless

[normal crown]

same

dont like 2018

[strange wadi]

i like them all

[shrewd sparrow]

Especially when I told him about so many aspects that I really really enjoyed

[normal crown]

I think 2018 is okay

[leaden orchid]

I can only think of the Nurn chests or whatever they’re called, and the stuff in Tyr’s Temple

[charred gust]

the point is in the fact that he tried to use a point that isn't even existent in the first place, it's one thing to say you didn't like the puzzles, no one's arguing on that, it's another to blatantly use the criticism of the 2nd game on the 1st, it just shows you're hating on it for the sake of hating on it

[shrewd sparrow]

Then I say one thing bad

[normal crown]

I love the story, just not the gameplay

[strange wadi]

rizz when you were a child did you think pumping red orbs into a weapon without fully upgrading it would increase its' damage?

[normal crown]

nornir chests are rewarding cuz you get upgrades from them, but the stuff in tyr's temple were just bad imo

[leaden orchid]

No it just shows that he doesn’t like that one part of the game

[strange wadi]

important question

[charred gust]

i'm literally not saying i disregard your criticism, i can literally link my message where i said i respect it

[normal crown]

I didnt play the old gow games when I was a kid

[charred gust]

it's just important to not say shit that doesnt represent what the game is

[strange wadi]

ah

no one knows

The original placebo effect

[shrewd sparrow]

It wasn't even a criticism of the second game 😂 I never played Ragnarok lmaoooo. I just got gow4 confused with horizon

I was thinking about forbidden West when I was talking about handholding

Once again u just wanna put words in my mouth

[normal crown]

yeah that was kinda dumb

[charred gust]

"I hate how game 1 did what game 2 did", do you see the issue in this statement ?

[normal crown]

for example, I support jpik here but I dont agree with his game time argument

[charred gust]

like there's no logic in it

[strange wadi]

i would be in the middle of a bossfight and then I'd just put all my red orbs into a weapon without upgrading, and was like "DAMN I'M DEMOLISHING THIS BOSS NOW"

[normal crown]

I think GOW2018 is average length

[normal crown]

😭

[strange wadi]

"THIS SHIT DOING MORE DAMAGE‼️‼️"

[shrewd sparrow]

Riz 🤝

[leaden orchid]

If the statement were true there’s nothing wrong with it. The only issue is that the statement is wrong. Nothing more to it than that

[strange wadi]

no one understands

[shrewd sparrow]

Lmao I didn't even know Ragnarok had handhelds till rn. All I knew was some story spoilers because my friends told me

I never watched any content on Ragnarok

Not a single video

Yet this fool is saying that I'm taking other people's criticism of Ragnarok then applying it to gow4 when really I just made a mistake

[charred gust]

it is wrong and that's where the problem is, spreading around info that's wrong and everyone knows how easy info gets around and how easy people these days take other's takes as their own

[shrewd sparrow]

Like bro I'm admitting I got something wrong

And you can't accept that

[charred gust]

so when you do that what happens if you have this large chunk of people who will take that wrong info and use it as their own in the future, and thats how false shit spreads around and why you have many people who have no idea what they're talking about

[leaden orchid]

And wasn’t that just corrected? How come this got drawn out so much over one thing?

[normal crown]

in think gow2018 has some lame stuff to pad out gametime: shit bosses, bad puzzles, mid exploration

[charred gust]

what

this topic was supposed to end when i told you this was just a conversation btw

[normal crown]

yeah he even admitted he was wrong

[charred gust]

you're the one who replied back bringing it up again

[normal crown]

@charred gust he said it was 3 am and he was misremembering stuff

jpik said this like 10 mins ago

[shrewd sparrow]

Like fr

[normal crown]

that

[charred gust]

idk either, i was literally expressive of how it was over myself

[normal crown]

bruh

[shrewd sparrow]

It was an accident

[normal crown]

that's why I stopped arguing with him

cuz he just straight up admitted he was being kinda silly

[leaden orchid]

ZK you were the one who stretched this out by going DEFCON 1 all over Jpik for it lmao

[shrewd sparrow]

It's not a wrong criticism it's just the wrong context applied to the criticism

[leaden orchid]

Even after Jpik was like “oh yeah I was wrong”

[normal crown]

jeez I just cant get over GOW3 man 😔

[charred gust]

this is where it got dragged on

[normal crown]

such a good gaming

[charred gust]

and as you can see it isnt my fault

[normal crown]

clearly you're restarted

[charred gust]

so please next time get your context right

[shrewd sparrow]

Yeah guys it's not his fault

[normal crown]

aussie can we ban this guy!?

[leaden orchid]

Oh my god

[normal crown]

fr

[shrewd sparrow]

He "ended" the discussion before I could reply

[charred gust]

the conversation is literally up there my guy

[shrewd sparrow]

It's not his fault

[leaden orchid]

I didn’t have any words to say because I don’t even know how to respond to this… this? Wtf is this?

[shrewd sparrow]

Get your context right fellas

[leaden orchid]

[charred gust]

to prove to you that i am indeed on the side who wants to end it

ignore all that

and just

[leaden orchid]

This is actual trollery or extremely uh… I don’t even know how to describe it

[shrewd sparrow]

Yeah dude whatever u say

[charred gust]

what i say is

[normal crown]

did y'all know, arcane won best video game adaptation

[charred gust]

[normal crown]

[charred gust]

no way

[normal crown]

I think arcane is better than edgerunners tbh

[pseudo swallow]

RIZ

[strange wadi]

I've watched edgerunners but not arcane

Therefore edgerunners solos

[manic hill]

@strange wadi got 🎁 Present!

[normal crown]

Birbman

[normal crown]

yeah I was like you, until I watched arcane

[pseudo swallow]

Ill change that later today

Ill have to drive in a few hours

[leaden orchid]

Yeah no, reading all of it back Z2 was basically hammering on to Jpik that he should stop hating the game when Jpik was like “no I like the game wtf”

[shrewd sparrow]

:Z2K1 wtf:

[pseudo swallow]

So ill be birbman untill midday

[shrewd sparrow]

Okay I dragged it on again

But c'mon

I couldn't let that go

[leaden orchid]

“I am right about you hating the game, if you respond then you are continuing and stretching out the argument” -Z2

[normal crown]

see, jpik dragged it a bit but then he agreed that he was wrong

[shrewd sparrow]

I just had such a monumental belly laugh

[normal crown]

which is why I LITERALLY stopped arguing

[manic hill]

@pseudo swallow got 🎁 Present!

[normal crown]

like I've been here for a while so I know that jpik was wrong, but then I just saw z2k continuing 😭

[earnest shale]

oh my god

[normal crown]

chill out guys 🤓 it's just gaming

[pseudo swallow]

Othergames is just arguement channel

[earnest shale]

Averge othergames discussion?

[manic hill]

@earnest shale got 🎁 Present!

[normal crown]

https://tenor.com/view/the-punisher-punisher-court-the-punisher-court-judge-gif-25790297

everyday

[charred gust]

i just saw this message, normally i'd reply back and try to point out how you're wrong but what i am going to point out is how you're both literally the ones still dragging it on rn when the topic has been changed already ?

[normal crown]

yeah

[shrewd sparrow]

Lmaooooo

[charred gust]

now for the 2nd time, both of you quit it

[shrewd sparrow]

More arguing

[charred gust]

and just

[normal crown]

well, just admit you're wrong man

[charred gust]

[normal crown]

[paper thicket]

Hi, game bad something something big drama oh oh ooh ohoho ohh OOHHH OHHO HOOHOHHOH

[normal crown]

alright guys argument over, now who here has watched arcane

[charred gust]

the topic was literally switched they were talking about arcane

[normal crown]

now, I did watch arcane and downloaded league of legends

[shrewd sparrow]

Honestly tbf I did bring it back

[normal crown]

[earnest shale]

[shrewd sparrow]

It was funny as hell though

[normal crown]

this ended badly

I deleted LoL IMMEDIATELY

[shrewd sparrow]

Like c'mon dude "get your context right"

[charred gust]

can you both especially you @leaden orchid stop proving you're the most immature mod and accept that the topic has moved past it ?

now for the last time

[normal crown]

Like, i played for 5 mins and was like nahhhh

[paper thicket]

loooool

[charred gust]

and move on

[normal crown]

wtf bro

like

[shrewd sparrow]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[normal crown]

bruh

bruhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[shrewd sparrow]

Most immature mod!

[normal crown]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1027661650725183507/1049697045235109988/ezgif.com-gif-maker.gif

[shrewd sparrow]

No wayyuuu

[normal crown]

guys this is me btw

[normal crown]

ong wtf 😭

[paper thicket]

Look Im not defending the game here but the tutorial is pretty fard @normal crown

[normal crown]

yeah

it sucks

[leaden orchid]

My point exactly. You make a wrong statement (Jpik must hate GOW), we correct it, you “call us out” for dragging it on.

You said yourself earlier how much you hate people giving wrong impressions on things, you’re being hypocritical if you’re acting this way over US trying to correct you over something and then acting this way.

[paper thicket]

Not representative of actual game

[charred gust]

let the topic move on challenge : impossible

[charred gust]

once again, i'd argue but to prove my point rn

you're right

[pseudo swallow]

:banned:

[manic hill]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/696715273675210806/847641363478872064/smack.gif

[shrewd sparrow]

Admit you're wrong and look like a doofus rn : impossible

[charred gust]

now let's forget it and move on

[charred gust]

i'm wrong

[normal crown]

bro's

[leaden orchid]

Well there you go

[strange wadi]

no way

he won

[pseudo swallow]

Forgor :apollo:

[manic hill]

Apollo Fluffy Cat is a :devfluff: at Techland, unboxing YouTuber and Jori's best friend.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/726555548413329438/947885367967744101/apollo.png

[normal crown]

using as a passive aggressive emoji

[leaden orchid]

That’s all that was needed

[charred gust]

(i hope that's okay to calm both of you down and finally let this to rest)

[strange wadi]

all you had to do was make it a challenge

[normal crown]

anyway guys

so

[shrewd sparrow]

It only took calling Aussie immature

[normal crown]

arcane is so fucking good lemme tell you why

[leaden orchid]

I’m also going to have good faith and assume that’s not the case

[normal crown]

in one of the scenes, ekko, one of the characters, licks his FUCKING LIPS

[charred gust]

i had no idea that's all it usually takes

[normal crown]

this whole ass show has no motion capture

[paper thicket]

[shrewd sparrow]

Honestly I stopped giving a shit really, once I started laughing I couldn't stop

[normal crown]

but he licks his lips before speaking

[shrewd sparrow]

It was the same as the reshit refart situation

[normal crown]

ik it sounds like such a small thing, but it adds so much more depth to all the characters

[leaden orchid]

That came to no middle ground conclusion tho really

[normal crown]

I need to watch arcane again

[paper thicket]

[normal crown]

🤝 me rn

[leaden orchid]

And it’s weird how this one came to personal insults like the monke emote that Villker is sending

[pseudo swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-discord-drama-drama-argument-political-gif-24419538

[shrewd sparrow]

Nah I was able to close it with him

[normal crown]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1027661650725183507/1049697045235109988/ezgif.com-gif-maker.gif

this is literally me

[charred gust]

it actually did, you just werent around to see it

[shrewd sparrow]

Basically he was just saying he doesn't agree that it should be called a remake

[leaden orchid]

Oh well if that’s true that’s great

[normal crown]

anyway, so imma talk about GOWR and start another argument

[leaden orchid]

I was under the impression that he still thought that DER is not a remake

[earnest shale]

oh my god

[normal crown]

so I think that GOWR lacks spectacle

[pseudo swallow]

Long 3 months ahead of waiting

[normal crown]

like think about it

[earnest shale]

again with remakes and remasters