🎯︱other-games

[charred gust]

like legit its hilarious

[fleet gulch]

the GTA Trilogy is literally the mobile port taken to new consoles and it's been called a remaster

Dead Space is getting made from the ground up with new mechanics

[charred gust]

the point i'm trying to make is put it side by side with the original and it becomes clear how all that "built from the ground up" talk is just ass

[somber valve]

nur 🛌

[charred gust]

do i need to remind you that rockstar were saying its built from the ground up

?

since you're saying we just have to take the devs' word for it every time

[fleet gulch]

They're literally showing footage of the game in early development

[earnest shale]

.

gta trilogy is awful

[manic hill]

@earnest shale got 🎁 Present!

[devout berry]

too ez, one of those could be you someday, i will tunnel you out first

[fleet gulch]

You're comparing a shitty port done by A.I. to a game getting fully made from the ground up

[charred gust]

can you stop missing the point ? the point i'm trying to make is that both devs said they were rebuilding the games from the ground up, doesn't mean jackshit in game terms until you actually show what you're making and it's different

in the case of these 15 mins they showed its the same shit

[earnest shale]

[charred gust]

i feel like i'll have to make a side by side comparison to prove my point

[stark oyster]

Remasters are so frequent man

[somber valve]

meta nurse build

[fleet gulch]

Yeah, because they require 0 effort to do, you just use A.I. upscaling for textures and done, remaster

[somber valve]

🛌

[molten pewter]

They've made entire new 3d models of the Ishimura to base the game on, the first game didn't have that

[stark oyster]

Vilkki and the JOHn are here

[stark oyster]

I think in the prologue you saw the ship

[earnest shale]

most calmed #🎯︱other-games day

[devout berry]

nah, they switched so i switched too

[molten pewter]

Ya but the game design was dungeon to dungeon, it didn't have a world

[shrewd sparrow]

Oh, an argument

😐

[molten pewter]

na

[charred gust]

which is why like i said i gave them credit for it and said this is a non lazy remaster, they actually put effort into it and you can clearly see it, it doesnt change the fact that its still the same game and plays out the same way, which is why i compared it to other remakes that actually change it up

[earnest shale]

between a cock and z2k1

[molten pewter]

That's not what a remake is though

you don't change the story

[charred gust]

who said you do ?

[shrewd sparrow]

Dead space seems to cause so much drama

[charred gust]

you don't change the story but you make it so that you can't put the 2 games side by side and see that it's a game with better graphics

[molten pewter]

You did

[shrewd sparrow]

Who knew dead space could be so polarizing

[earnest shale]

capitalism's fault

[somber valve]

@stark oyster

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/821053824202178681/1049387191241031830/image.png

[shrewd sparrow]

Bioshock warned us

[earnest shale]

fr

[shrewd sparrow]

No gods, no kings, only man.

[paper thicket]

@green jetty@vital vector@hollow vector@slate fossil@vernal crater@fleet gulch@leaden orchid@normal crown@normal crown @patent otter I found players in s1x launcher and had so much fun just like back in middle school... Random spanish players must've been terrified when a Titanfall 2 player joins and keeps moving at 50kph while exo slamming people. This is why I broke my L3 button all those years ago.

[stark oyster]

[earnest shale]

i'm boutta tattoo myself jack's tattoes

[stark oyster]

A sexy little SSS rank

[vital vector]

I've never played AW.

[shrewd sparrow]

bang bang bang

[paper thicket]

u played cod so thats good enough

[stark oyster]

Have you played Ghosts?

Because W cod game

[vital vector]

Yes.

[fleet gulch]

Boss music started playing when you joined the server

[shrewd sparrow]

Lucky you

[charred gust]

i already know how RE2/3/4 will end, already knew how mafia 1 ended, what i didn't know however is how they're gonna get up to that point, did you see the gameplay trailer they showed for the upcoming RE4 remake ? like the forest section is nothing like the original, the village section is familiar but it's different, that's what a remake is

[vital vector]

🤝 🤝 🤝

[molten pewter]

meh, I'm bored

[vital vector]

Extinction. 💪

Grounded gameplay.

[leaden orchid]

Is this Advanced Warfare

[shrewd sparrow]

God that ttk

[manic hill]

@heavy orbit got 🎁 Present!

[paper thicket]

nice

[normal crown]

I just realized @fleet gulch you posted the new gameplay

😭

[manic hill]

@fleet gulch got 🎁 Present!

[normal crown]

z2k got fucked from the beginning

[paper thicket]

Yes it used to be Titanfall 2 for me before the real tf|2 came out

[manic hill]

@earnest shale got 🎁 Present!

[charred gust]

what

[shrewd sparrow]

Bro what did you do

[charred gust]

riz is literally the guh emoji in this topic

[normal crown]

what

[somber valve]

@stark oyster help

[normal crown]

No I have no idea what's going on

[somber valve]

[normal crown]

I just simulated a situation in my head

[charred gust]

thats the guh emoji

[normal crown]

and pretended that this was the situation

[fleet gulch]

[normal crown]

in my situation, z2k has no idea what he's talking about and cock wins

[stark oyster]

🤝 🇹🇷

[normal crown]

[leaden orchid]

Wait how tf was there an argument about remakes and remasters

[normal crown]

Idk

what'd I miss

[somber valve]

idk

[charred gust]

https://tenor.com/view/bornskywalker-dap-me-up-woody-woody-handshake-woody-toy-story-gif-26021440

[somber valve]

anyways what do i do when royal guard is full

[leaden orchid]

There’s a big difference between them

[normal crown]

I had a fight with my friends who insulted my dead grandma (who died of cancer 💀 )

[leaden orchid]

And it’s easy to tell

[normal crown]

they're not my friends anymore

[leaden orchid]

Dead Space remake is a remake

[shrewd sparrow]

Apparently a remake has to be an entirely different game... Different plot gameplay everything

🤷‍♂️

[charred gust]

who said that ?

[normal crown]

RE2 and 3 remakes arent even remakes they're just full on new games, more like 'reimaginings'

[shrewd sparrow]

Ion know bro I don't live in your skull

[normal crown]

same with FF7

[stark oyster]

Definition

[normal crown]

demon souls remake is a REAL remake

[shrewd sparrow]

DeS remake is mid

[normal crown]

anyway that's all I'll say, k bye

[normal crown]

I could kill you

[charred gust]

if you're not gonna bring people up to date with what was said correctly please refrain from saying shit like that

[green jetty]

Finnish man fragging.

[stark oyster]

Remasters are low effort garbage, and remakes are badass

[normal crown]

My Mother.

[stark oyster]

Mi madre

[shrewd sparrow]

No.

I will not refrain

[charred gust]

i know

which is why i'm letting you know that i know

[lusty wave]

One hundo

[earnest shale]

watch yo mouth

[normal crown]

guys

[shrewd sparrow]

Remasters can be good, some games deserve to be remastered. Some games are better remastered than not

[normal crown]

Im gonna say it

[earnest shale]

no

[normal crown]

GOW2 is better than GOW1

😔

[earnest shale]

[lusty wave]

What’s DeS?

[normal crown]

demon souls

[leaden orchid]

Oh nvm wtf

[stark oyster]

TLoU didn't need it

[leaden orchid]

[normal crown]

😭

[manic hill]

@earnest shale got 🎁 Present!

[charred gust]

welcome to 2007 riz

[lusty wave]

They only made it for pc you know

[normal crown]

TLOU didnt need a remake

[earnest shale]

fr

[normal crown]

true

[paper thicket]

not written in stone

[earnest shale]

they wanted money

[stark oyster]

Isn't it a remaster though? They didn't change many actual mechanics

[shrewd sparrow]

I just don't like des that much. Never played the original I have no problem with the remake it's just I don't care for the game. I'll still for e myself to beat it but man they coulda took some more liberties with the gameplay and world design for the remake

[earnest shale]

that's it

[lusty wave]

It wasn’t needed but it’s good because of the last of us 2 stuff they put in the remake

[normal crown]

some of you will be baffled to know how many people couldnt play the OG tlou cuz of how 'old' it was

[charred gust]

?

[normal crown]

it's just a lot more fluid

[shrewd sparrow]

That was a complete cashgrab

[normal crown]

no mechanic change

the gore was revamped completely

[earnest shale]

yeah, they should have made the sixth world

that wasnt there in the original

[leaden orchid]

Dead Space is a remake from a technical perspective, which is what differentiates remakes to remasters

[normal crown]

Ok bye

[lusty wave]

It is a remake

[charred gust]

okay since you and cock both love to use this take and since it fits the topic currently discussed

[lusty wave]

Even if it isn’t it’s an updated version at least

[manic hill]

@heavy orbit got 🎁 Present!

[shrewd sparrow]

The gameplay feels lacking in demons souls. It's so slow and just big backstab meta for basically every enemy. Melee builds aren't that fun, yes this is true for dark souls 1 aswell but it's a bit better there imo

[charred gust]

dead space is as much a "remake" as TLOU was

[paper thicket]

remaster to me is when they upgrade only texture files of the game or add new graphics technology and record new sounds in order to refurbish their quality

remake however is when they program the game again and create new assets, and it does not matter if they make everything identical, as long as it's remade because that DEFINES REMAKE

[charred gust]

and considering most of you shit talked TLOU for being a garbage remake you're literally contradicting yourself

[leaden orchid]

If that’s what happened then I agree it’s a remake.

[manic hill]

@heavy orbit got 🎁 Present!

[leaden orchid]

But this is a from “radio times” lol

[leaden orchid]

What vilkker said is true

[lusty wave]

True

[charred gust]

okay which is why like i told cock, GTA definitive trilogy is also a remake, whether you like it or not (whether you're gonna say they reused assets that was proven to be true btw), but according to the devs' they said they did make it from the ground up

so it is a remake

[leaden orchid]

They did?

[normal crown]

cod bo3 zombies is @paper thicket

u should play it

[leaden orchid]

I guess so if that’s true then

[lusty wave]

Aren’t they reprogramming dead space again that’s pretty much a remake

[leaden orchid]

Makes it an awful remake lol

[charred gust]

ok and this is what i'm getting at, why is it an awful remake ?

[shrewd sparrow]

I don't believe they ever said that

[normal crown]

what's an awful remake?

[lusty wave]

Just because the gameplay looks the same doesn’t mean it’s not a remake

[shrewd sparrow]

Rockstar outsourced the work to a mobile game studio

[leaden orchid]

From what I’ve seen everything about the game(s) look awful

[shrewd sparrow]

They used the mobile ports as a base

They never remade the games

They never claimed too either

[fleet gulch]

If gameplay of the original had no issues, why bother changing it?

[heavy orbit]

it is?

[pseudo swallow]

Hello aussie

[shrewd sparrow]

Atleast I don't believe so

Rockstar used the term remake

[leaden orchid]

A remake can be good or bad product, just like a remaster can be a good or bad product. I’m not sure what you’re getting at here, unless you think the trilogy is a good collection of games lol

[manic hill]

@pseudo swallow got 🎁 Present!

[shrewd sparrow]

I don't believe they said they rebuilt the games form the ground up

[fleet gulch]

Trying to search it up on the internet and I'm finding no results of the trilogy being made from the ground up

[charred gust]

bro you were there from the beginning, i've literally been using mafia and RE2 as an example for like half an hour now, you keep saying that TLOU / Dead Space (keeping GTA out because i personally also think that was trash) are to be put on the same pedestal with those games, when the community generally agrees on hating remasters

[fleet gulch]

It's literally just the mobile game porter poorly to the consoles and it was made very apparent in comparisons

[shrewd sparrow]

It wasn't, the games are mobile ports of the original PS2 games. Then the lighting, UI, and graphics were updated

[vernal crater]

I just remember that i have played agains you long time ago, you were getting mad over time cause i was killing you nonstop

[fleet gulch]

Literally just used A.I upscaling on everything and smoothing models

[shrewd sparrow]

If they were remakes they likely wouldnt still look and play the way they do

[manic hill]

@heavy orbit got 🎁 Present!

[paper thicket]

that was before we had played halo and I went straight into a 1v1 private match with u

worst mistake

[fleet gulch]

The exact same bugs from mobile were found on the trilogy remaster

[leaden orchid]

If that’s true then the games are remasters of a mobile port

[vernal crater]

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[manic hill]

@heavy orbit got 🎁 Present!

[lusty wave]

Yeah man all games are made equal to me

[paper thicket]

of course crex takes bal27 and camps in a corner

[shrewd sparrow]

Mhm

[paper thicket]

what was I thinking

[vernal crater]

Bal27 my beloved

[pseudo swallow]

That was a weird ar

[leaden orchid]

CREX likes 27 balls in his mouth

[lusty wave]

I just have low standards

[pseudo swallow]

Shouldve made it so it keeps firerate

[vernal crater]

And your mom likes to get fucked 27 times in a row

[pseudo swallow]

Hate that it slows doen

[paper thicket]

Balls 27 and ASMR 1 were the two most op weapons in the game

[leaden orchid]

[pseudo swallow]

MORS

[vernal crater]

[normal crown]

Hi guys

so like

we can all agree that z2k is wrong

[earnest shale]

yea

[normal crown]

kk

bye

[fleet gulch]

[pseudo swallow]

@blazing wraith

[heavy orbit]

welcome to my Minecraft lets play today we'll be mining for diamonds

[normal crown]

that's exciting

!!!

hope you find your diamonds

[charred gust]

whether its a good remake or not isnt the point being discussed here, the point is if you agree that it's terrible then you're essentially agreeing that dead space also is

[shrewd sparrow]

He can't, that's the problem

[paper thicket]

Advanced Warfare has gun game and infection that work just like the halo equivalents it was really fun to play these modes back when the game was populated

[normal crown]

guys, dead space sucks

[fleet gulch]

I skipped the mining since it was kinda boring but I managed to get full netherite

[normal crown]

[shrewd sparrow]

tru

[normal crown]

yea its trash

[pseudo swallow]

Never played it

[normal crown]

callisto is better

🥱

[earnest shale]

its shouldnt exist

[normal crown]

(never played dead space)

[fleet gulch]

Callisto Midocrol

[vernal crater]

@normal crownban

[normal crown]

No

[pseudo swallow]

:banned:

[normal crown]

No Ban

[manic hill]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/696715273675210806/847641363478872064/smack.gif

[earnest shale]

[leaden orchid]

No that’s not what I said. I said it’s a bad remake because it’s a bad product. If any remake or remaster turns out to be a bad product, then they’re also bad. I’m not sure why you’re twisting my words.

[vernal crater]

Gonna twist your dick too

[normal crown]

fyi, dead space and TLOU remake cannot be compared by the way

didnt dead space 1 come out at like 2009?

[charred gust]

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/take-two-ceo-on-zynga-acquisition-grand-theft-auto-definitive-edition-reviews-and-more

[leaden orchid]

Unless, I guess, that the original games that you’re remaking / remastering are generally considered bad?

[earnest shale]

My cock is furious

[paper thicket]

Dead Space remake is not even out how are people talking about it

[earnest shale]

@stark oyster screenshot that

I dare you

[charred gust]

you can also check their site for the official store page for the game

[normal crown]

TLOU was literally too recent, yes it's been 10 years but the game still looked good, which is why even tho a bunch of it was changed, it still didnt seem like too much of an upgrade

[pseudo swallow]

Ss

[fleet gulch]

new gameplay footage was released

[paper thicket]

its gameplay footage

[fleet gulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKTY5zsxG6Y

yep

[normal crown]

the dead space remake's different is like night and day

[paper thicket]

remember when u saw DL2 gameplay footage

and then played the game yourself

yeah, think about that

[earnest shale]

[normal crown]

[pseudo swallow]

E3>now

[fleet gulch]

It's unedited footage

[normal crown]

stop it vilkki!!!

[manic hill]

@earnest shale got 🎁 Present!

[normal crown]

😡

[vernal crater]

cause gameplay footage

[earnest shale]

Dying Light 2 Remake when

[vital vector]

One of them was presented 2-3 years before release.

[normal crown]

z2k shouldn't be allowed near games, he's bad at gaming 🥱

k bye

[vital vector]

The other, what, months?

[pseudo swallow]

Dl1 remastered

With new dlc

[paper thicket]

I dont know if DSR will turn out worse or better than anticipated but I strongly believe you can't accurately judge yet

[earnest shale]

the follower

[leaden orchid]

I don’t see anything here

[earnest shale]

me when I argue about a game that hasn't been released yet

[pseudo swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/car-dying-light-the-following-buggy-spinning-gif-22071454

[fleet gulch]

What we're arguing about isn't whether the game will be good or not, it's about whether the game is a remake or not(IT IS)

[lusty wave]

It is a remake

[paper thicket]

Why are you

what

[charred gust]

How am i twisting your words ? you literally said the GTA trilogy is a remake but a bad one and you'd consider it a remaster, i'm pointing out how dead space hasn't shown anything yet that isn't like GTA (and before you pull up the bugs point dead space 1 didn't have that many to begin with, atleast not in my playthrough of it, so that's a useless point), the first 15 mins they showed shows nothing but the fact that it has modern graphics, did GTA not do this as well ?

[normal crown]

so like

[paper thicket]

Who is arguing about that

[normal crown]

[fleet gulch]

Z2K1 calls it a remaster

[earnest shale]

Anyway

[normal crown]

why is this an argument

[manic hill]

@earnest shale got 🎁 Present!

[paper thicket]

I slap u on the head for thinking wrong

[charred gust]

isn't the game being addressed as a remake ?

[normal crown]

so according to z2k, GOW3 remastered and Dead space remake are the same thing?

[paper thicket]

💥

[normal crown]

I think he's lost the argument there

[manic hill]

@heavy orbit got 🎁 Present!

[normal crown]

there's no argument to be had here

[earnest shale]

DL2 looking good

[paper thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/likeyocut-likeyocutg-likeyo-likeyou-likeyour-gif-18706516

[charred gust]

i just noticed this, how did you get this conclusion ?

[vernal crater]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-ryan-gosling-cereal-embed-failure-laugh-at-this-user-gif-20627924

[earnest shale]

I twisted my ankle

[paper thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/like-yo-cut-g-gif-20483154

[manic hill]

@earnest shale got 🎁 Present!

[earnest shale]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-mod-4chan-chad-moderator-deleted-discord-gif-26225367

[paper thicket]

lyan gosring

[normal crown]

a remaster is more of a port/rerelease, a remake is a fully fledged 'remake' of the game, both in terms of graphics and mechanics as well as smoothening out a rough edges, a reimagining (ff7 remake, and re2 and 3 remakes) are welp complete overhauls of the previous games :P

[leaden orchid]

I don’t know anything about GTA which is why I’m going off both your and Jpik’s words. If what you said is true then it’s a remake, if what Jpik said is true then it’s a remaster instead. If the remake (or remaster) is a bad product, then it’s also a bad remake / remaster, unless of course the originals it’s based on are also bad products. You twisted my words because this is what I meant, not whatever you’re trying to spin it as.

[normal crown]

that's pretty much it

[vernal crater]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/957167843206651954/1046305849594880051/mirror.gif

same

[earnest shale]

X.E.R.C

[leaden orchid]

I don’t see the words remake there, no

[normal crown]

anyway 🥱 z2k is wrong, let's wrap this up guys

[charred gust]

my point is that mafia : definitive edition, the RE2 / RE3 remakes are actual remakes and not just glorified remasters that hide behind the "but we made it from the ground up" wall (something that all of you agreed on when TLOU came out and you were calling it a garbage remake and not worth 70$, talking about @normal crown you specifically), same thing with GTA

[earnest shale]

anyone who thinks the opposite to me in any topic is wrong (real)

[paper thicket]

I don’t know anything about whatever you’re trying to spin it as. GTA which is why I’m said is true then it’s a remake, if what Jpik said is going off both your and Jpik’s words. If what you remaster) is a bad product, then it’s also a bad true then it’s a remaster instead. If the remake (or remake / remaster, unless of course the originals my words because this is what I meant, not it’s based on are also bad products. You twisted.

[fleet gulch]

It's the mobile game ported to a new engine, that's all there is to it, it's not a remake, it wasn't done from the group up

[leaden orchid]

Oh LMFAO you’re taking the words from the news article writer, not the actual person being interviewed

[normal crown]

man

Im not up for this

[normal crown]

hmu when y'all are arguing about GOW

[heavy orbit]

holy shit y'all still going

[earnest shale]

yeah

[normal crown]

https://tenor.com/view/the-punisher-punisher-court-the-punisher-court-judge-gif-25790297

legit z2k rn

[manic hill]

@heavy orbit got 🎁 Present!

[earnest shale]

https://tenor.com/view/dopekingzii-gang-dope-dope-gang-dopekingzii-discord-gif-21376878

[normal crown]

(he's the punisher)

https://tenor.com/view/cod-mw2-ghost-2022-stare-gif-27074733

[leaden orchid]

#🎯︱other-games message

[normal crown]

stop it guys

[earnest shale]

you cant

[normal crown]

okay so lemme tell you about the sex minigame from GOW2

[fleet gulch]

GTA Definitive edition is not a remake, it's a port with updated textures and upscaled models, that's literally it, it's a shitty port with a poorly done remaster

[normal crown]

so they tell me to tilt the stick yeah?

[earnest shale]

the one that is early in the game?

[normal crown]

and I do it 10 times, I do it 10 times, and it doesnt work, the women arent satisfied and I get no xp

[normal crown]

this pisses me off

[normal crown]

yes

[earnest shale]

ah

what happened

[paper thicket]

my point is that mafia : same thing with GTA definitive edition, of you agreed on when TLOU came out and you made "but the RE2 / glorified remasters that hide behind the we talking about @Riz {Apollo Cultist} you it from the ground up" RE3 remakes are actual remakes and not just all wall (something that were calling it a garbage remake and not worth 70$, specifically)

[normal crown]

and this sequence of tilting the stick must be done during the pegasus section later in the game

so the thing is, I'm like "wait I could even do this before, and this is necessary now" so what should I do?

[vital vector]

The most recent GTA versions were NOT remakes.

[normal crown]

and I dont think I'll be able to beat the game cuz of clunky ahh controls

and THEN it clicks

I can move it back n forth, rather than left and right!

and it hits me like a truck

[leaden orchid]

@charred gust See how we can use article headlines to spin our tale? Until I hear the words from Rockstar / the devs themselves, I’m not willing to accept that it’s a remaster or remake. However judging from what others have said, I think it’s a greater chance that it’s a remaster due to being an upscaled mobile port.

[normal crown]

so I boot up ng again and do the sex minigame, and this time I get the xp

[charred gust]

here's another one since you want words from them directly

[normal crown]

and that's the good ending

[earnest shale]

[charred gust]

and you won't let that go since its the last straw you have

https://venturebeat.com/games/grand-theft-auto-the-trilogy-definitive-edition-will-debut-on-november-11/

" Earlier this year, Take-Two CEO Strauss Zelnick (Take-Two is Rockstar’s parent company) mentioned to VGC that the company’s strategy was that remakes/remasters should never be a simple porting job and should include tech and visual improvements."

[fleet gulch]

YOU'RE USING FUCKING DEAN TAKAHASHI AS YOUR SOURCE?

[vital vector]

They just put the textures into a damn free upscaling site they found as an ad.

[charred gust]

if you're still gonna pretend it wasn't advertised as a remake don't waste our time pls

[leaden orchid]

They rebuilt the lighting system, not the game tho?

[normal crown]

wtf

[earnest shale]

who

[normal crown]

[charred gust]

?

[charred gust]

#🎯︱other-games message

[fleet gulch]

They didn't even rebuilt the lightning system, they just used the basic of the basic lightning system in UE4 and the game lost so much of it's identity

[charred gust]

ok but its still there in their literal page ?

[leaden orchid]

1. Dean Takahashi
2. They’re lumping remakes and remasters into the same boat.

[charred gust]

you're the one who said i should take their word for it, so i am

[normal crown]

they lied bro

[earnest shale]

I just finished decorating it

[charred gust]

1. Okay ?

2. You're shooting yourself in the foot with this

lmfao

[normal crown]

lemme get this straight, if the old GTA games were remade, they would all look like GTAV

[paper thicket]

it’s a remaster I’m not willing to accept that it’s port. due to being an upscaled mobile See how we can use article headlines to spin our Rockstar / the a remaster or remake. others have said, I think it’s a greater chance that tale? Until I hear the words from However judging from what devs themselves.

[normal crown]

K bye

[charred gust]

like why are you trying to invalidate what his interview with a take two spokesman SAID ?

was it said or was it not ?

[normal crown]

bro it's a lie

😭

they stinky and lying

[charred gust]

why are you trying to ignore what i gave you ?

refute one of the 2 points

[leaden orchid]

It shows that those people don’t know the difference between a remaster and a remake, which is funny because that’s probably telling of the quality of the trilogy they put out.

[earnest shale]

what did that dean mf do

i'm curious

[charred gust]

either the completely rebuilt lighting or what the guy said

[normal crown]

couldnt beat the cuphead tutorial

[fleet gulch]

It's literally from the store page of GTA Definitive edition on the Rockstar website

[normal crown]

and just watch his doom gameplay

😭

[charred gust]

yeah but thats not what we're discussing here is it ?

[paper thicket]

[earnest shale]

WHAT THE FUCK LMAOOO

I'm dying

[charred gust]

yeah and i also gave you what's on their page as well as what they SAID

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/396090984242479114/1049394342537728040/image.png

is this coupled with the fact that the literal CEO said it's a remake not enough to prove it for you ?

[leaden orchid]

Well the discussion turned into if GTA is a remake or a remaster. What you’ve shown me is that they’ve rebuilt the lighting. I don’t think that constitutes in the entire game being a remake

[heavy orbit]

"In honor of the upcoming anniversary, today we are excited to announce that all three games will be coming to current generation platforms later this year in Grand Theft Auto: The Trilogy – The Definitive Edition for PlayStation 5, PlayStation 4, Xbox Series X|S, Xbox One, Nintendo Switch, and the Rockstar Games Launcher on PC. Grand Theft Auto: The Trilogy – The Definitive Edition will feature across-the-board upgrades including graphical improvements and modern gameplay enhancements for all three titles, while still maintaining the classic look and feel of the originals. We’re extremely excited to share more about these groundbreaking titles in the coming weeks — stay tuned!"

[leaden orchid]

He never used those words

[earnest shale]

I've just watched the first 30 seconds

😭

[charred gust]

i would agree if they had been in the business of making remakes for 10 years now and pumped out 5 of them

[heavy orbit]

https://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/3933o7ko43o839/grand-theft-auto-the-trilogy-the-definitive-edition-and-more-coming-so?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=o_social&utm_campaign=trilogy_announcement_comingsoon-20211008

🗿

[vernal crater]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-discord-drama-drama-argument-political-gif-24419538

[manic hill]

@heavy orbit got 🎁 Present!

[fleet gulch]

Completly rebuilt is fucking bullshit, I worked in that engine for 5 fucking years and I know damn well that they've the minimum fucking work possible in "rebuilding the lightning engine" It's just the basic lightning engine of UE4 you can learn from any run of the mill youtube tutorial

[charred gust]

but considering the timeframe (they were literally making the game back then) and it was upcoming to it i'm pretty sure you'll agree with me that it was the GTA trilogy

that was being discussed

[earnest shale]

https://tenor.com/view/demoted-discord-mod-discord-moderator-chat-mod-gif-22622277

[charred gust]

i think you'll agree thats reasonable

[manic hill]

@fleet gulch got 🎁 Present!

[vernal crater]

Can we just stop this nonsense discussion

[vital vector]

No.

[vernal crater]

I agree

[vital vector]

[vernal crater]

lmao i revived everyone

[leaden orchid]

Wait so we don’t know for sure what they are actually talking about in the quote you’re giving us?

[earnest shale]

discord mods shouldn't have opinions

[charred gust]

by being cute

[earnest shale]

(real)

[charred gust]

the guy was asked about the interviewer about the GTA trilogy right

[paper thicket]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/678164464666673165/1049396233078317207/caption.gif

[charred gust]

and he said that

and that was the only thing they were making at the time

so ?

[leaden orchid]

Which other games have been remade?

[charred gust]

exactly, none

[manic hill]

@heavy orbit got 🎁 Present!

[charred gust]

what makes you think what he said wasnt about the GTA trilogy considering it's literally one of the things included in what he said

like would he change the strategy AFTER it comes out ?

[paper thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/fast-black-guy-talking-rapping-funny-rapping-gif-20718158

[earnest shale]

whar

[leaden orchid]

Then I would agree they’re talking about the trilogy. So, back to what I said, the lighting is rebuilt doesn’t constitute to being a remake of an entire game.

That doesn’t sound like from the ground up

[earnest shale]

#🎯︱other-games my beloved

Brazi - Korea boutta start

[charred gust]

ok so you do agree now that the company making it IS saying its a remake ?

[leaden orchid]

That sounds like redoing floors 40-42 in a 200 storey building

[charred gust]

and that the reason you don't think its a remake is because its garbage

[leaden orchid]

No I disagree

[leaden orchid]

No that’s not my reasoning

[charred gust]

you just said you agree that they're talking about the trilogy

[heavy orbit]

Because it's not even a remake

[leaden orchid]

Yes

[charred gust]

and their talking is literally about their upcoming remakes

so you agree that they're talking about the remake that is GTA

[earnest shale]

so uhhh

[fleet gulch]

Or the Max Payne remakes?

[leaden orchid]

We’re talking about this right?

[normal crown]

Ngl the dead space remake looks brilliant

[earnest shale]

I think I will get GOWR tomorrow

[charred gust]

that are made by remedy ?

[earnest shale]

[heavy orbit]

My guy, if it was a remake, then how would a multi billion company fuck up that badly 🗿

[charred gust]

(theyre made by remedy btw if you didnt know that)

[fleet gulch]

You mean the Trilogy remastered by Groove Street Games?

not Rockstar?

[earnest shale]

me when remedy sells remedios

[charred gust]

you do understand that in this context take two are the publishers right ?

[fleet gulch]

You do also understand that Take Two has publishing rights for Max Payne as well, right?

[leaden orchid]

I fail to see any mention of remakes in the image we’re referring to

[charred gust]

i do, what i'm wondering is whether you understand that it's the same point you're getting at or not, essentially shooting yourself in the foot

(BOTH ARE ADDRESSED)

[fleet gulch]

Dude, you are serious right now?

[charred gust]

" Earlier this year, Take-Two CEO Strauss Zelnick (Take-Two is Rockstar’s parent company) mentioned to VGC that the company’s strategy was that remakes/remasters should never be a simple porting job and should include tech and visual improvements."

this wall of text is in the article i posted

and you can check it out for yourself, that's what this entire conversation is based on

[fleet gulch]

They're both under the same publisher, it means both are owned by same company, same guy that owns the company and could be referring to this, SINCE GTA IS NOT A FUCKING REMAKE

[leaden orchid]

Ah, so they’re using a blanket statement to cover all bases. This doesn’t mean anything, and again, Max Payne remake is apparently under production too.

[blazing wraith]

on God bro

I'm gonna buy that

[normal crown]

Same here

Im a massive fan of dead space and i am genuinely hyped for the remake

[fleet gulch]

You're literally invalidating your own words and backtracking

[earnest shale]

yeah

[charred gust]

you're suggesting that what take two's CEO was talking about was actually the max payne remakes and not GTA, which for starters isn't a good point because they werent even announced back then (and they were literally just announced recently in preprod), to follow up on that its just not valid because what he said includes everything he's making, its the company's general strategy, just get something better to argue with man, i can see you dropped the previous point already so try again

[charred gust]

read what i told cock pls

like you literally went from trying to prove that GTA isn't a remake to conceding it is but now you're trying to say that it's not the remake they were talking about, its actually max payne, i hope you can see the timeline here

[fleet gulch]

Yes, for many reasons, for one: Porting your mobile game to a new engine doesn't mean it's a remake
Two: Rockstar and Take-2 are known for dropping non evident hints for their upcomming games for more than a decade now

[charred gust]

1. That's your headcanon once again

2. Did they or did they not say it ?

[thin tendon]

What are yall thoughts that u can play an women in gta

[earnest shale]

fine

[thin tendon]

6

[charred gust]

There's no buts in this man, the word of the literal take two CEO is the only piece of evidence that you tried to use in the beginning but now you keep trying to dodge

[earnest shale]

as long as I can kill people I am fine

[charred gust]

He said it's a remake so that means by all means you should expect it to be (we all know how that turned out obviously)

[leaden orchid]

A lot to address here, but why would he NOT be talking about Max Payne? Announcements or not it doesn’t matter since development is done way before announcement (DL2 was under development starting 2016). You said it includes everything he’s making, but he didn’t work on the trilogy nor Max Payne, because two different dev teams are doing that (the mobile devs and Remedy)?

[fleet gulch]

Headcannon? Dude, I work on developing and studying games for over 6 and you're saying my words means shit when it comes to defining what a remake and a remaster is?

[thin tendon]

I hope them jokes are good and not softend

[fleet gulch]

I'm pretty sure I know what I'm talking about

[earnest shale]

this argument = scientist vs god believer

[shrewd sparrow]

Lmao dude just because they said that doesn't mean it's true.

What's true is that the GTA "remakes" were outsourced from Rockstar to Grove Street Games. That was a mobile studio responsible for the mobile ports of the old GTA games. They were tasked with "remaking" GTA Trilogy and they did it in the laziest way possible basically all through AI. technically rockstar didn't have any involvement with it besides "production" and then the game was published by take two.

It's a sleazy loophole for Strauss Zelnick (a notorious sleazebag) to call the games remakes while doing and little effort as possible into said "remake" when it's actually not a remake at all.

I reckon he gets to say statements like this because it's true that technically rockstar didn't just remaster an old game and call it a remake, they just a had a mobile studio do it for them.

This should genuinely put an end to the GTA debate. You are wrong, there should be no debate here. The fact that you are using some random statement from one of the most shady people in the industry, is frightening. You've gone off the deep end with your argument.

[earnest shale]

weird ooc

[charred gust]

Once again i'll go back to the fact that both are published by T2, and he said the company's strategy for everything they're making is that, you're literally trying to put words in his mouth now by saying "nah he wasnt talking about GTA he was talking about max payne", i'll also add the point that nullifies this even further which is he said this in response to the guy asking him about ding ding ding GTA not max payne

[thin tendon]

Remastered

[charred gust]

im not saying you dont know what you're talking about in the sense that GTA wasnt a glorified remaster, i don't get why you think that, i get that you're a dev and you know the BS they pulled, but this isnt what we're discussing

[leaden orchid]

It’s not “head canon” if what he said is true in regards to the mobile port, which everyone in this channel agrees is what happened apart from you. We already just went into defining what remakes and remasters are, then you just started using CEO words (not the devs themselves even) describing up and coming games that probably include games we’re not even talking about like Max Payne.

[leaden orchid]

He says they’re talking about GTA and not Max Payne in that same article?

[charred gust]

"It's a sleazy loophole for Strauss Zelnick (a notorious sleazebag) to call the games remakes while doing and little effort as possible into said "remake" when it's actually not a remake at all." this is literally my point but you all seem to be missing it for some reason, you can say a game's a remake but it's for the fans to decide and the end result that i've seen from dead space isn't a remake, its a GTA / TLOU style remaster that's sold as a remake, thats my point

[prisma cargo]

Imagine arguing about video games... Just enjoy them

[charred gust]

i don't get what made you think i don't agree that GTA isn't a cheap remaster ? i literally have said that between parentheses like 5 times now when ive made my previous points, what im saying is that regardless when we're talking about what was said by the people who published the game it isn't relevant since we're purely talking about what they tried to sell us

[heavy orbit]

Finally, someone with a gigachad mindset

[prisma cargo]

If you dont like the game dont play it

[charred gust]

Look at it this way, Person 1 is asked about X, he says X + Y follow Z, does it seem logical to you to say oh only Y follows Z but X doesn't (even tho the context is literally about X)

[charred gust]

https://tenor.com/view/bornskywalker-dap-me-up-woody-woody-handshake-woody-toy-story-gif-26021440

[shrewd sparrow]

I agree. Remake and remaster aren't legally defined terms and devs can call their games whatever they want but you need to realize that we have a distinct definition for both a remaster and a remake.

Just because tlou just feels like a cashgrab remaster, doesn't mean anything. It is a remake whether you like it or not.

GTA Trilogy, even through they call it a remake it is not. They are remasters at best.

Again devs can call the games whatever they want, hell players can call them whatever they want, but that doesn't disregard the fact that both terms "remaster" and "remake" are clearly defined.

If you wanna call tlou remake a remaster, go ahead. Just know that you are wrong in saying that by the definition of the word

[shrewd sparrow]

No. Part of the fun of video games is arguing about them, you can't take that away

[blazing wraith]

no

[heavy orbit]

every 60 seconds, a minute passes by in Africa

[blazing wraith]

I like arguing

and bursting a vessel

[charred gust]

you were going strong but you fucked it up, "Just because tlou just feels like a cashgrab remaster, doesn't mean anything. It is a remake whether you like it or not.

GTA Trilogy, even through they call it a remake it is not. They are remasters at best." you just contradicted yourself here, read it again and slowly

[prisma cargo]

Then do it somewhere else please

[charred gust]

and read what i told aussie and cock

[blazing wraith]

it is called othergames

[charred gust]

T2 said it's a remake, so by the same logic you're using to say TLOU is a remake, it also is

[prisma cargo]

Different server

[blissful parrot]

wait cock is here

[fleet gulch]

no

[blissful parrot]

give me back my wallet

[manic hill]

@honest creek got 🎁 Present!

[fleet gulch]

never

[charred gust]

i don't get why its so hard to understand, if a company says it's a remake it's a remake, whether you like it or not, its the same thing with TLOU and GTA, shitty remakes but still remakes because that's literally what they called them, stop trying to do a "it works for one but not the other" dude

[leaden orchid]

I don't think I ever called it cheap.

Wait hold on

HOLD ON

[charred gust]

that's what i said about it, not you

[earnest shale]

I WILL HOLD DONT WORRY

[shrewd sparrow]

No I didn't, it's 2 examples of devs calling their game ine thing vs what it actually is

TLOU: called a "remake." Actually is a remake
GTA TRILOGY: called a "remake," But are actually remasters at best

It's not a contradiction, I'm making my point off facts not feelings. Im sticking to the definitions of both remasters and remakes for my claim

[leaden orchid]

This is the article you're posting to support your argument: https://venturebeat.com/games/grand-theft-auto-the-trilogy-definitive-edition-will-debut-on-november-11/

The quote you have is from this segment here

This article is where the actual words were used https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/rockstar-owner-discusses-remasters-strategy-says-its-not-interested-in-simple-ports/

[charred gust]

yeah

[leaden orchid]

He never mentions remake

He calls it remaster

[leaden orchid]

This article is what was linked as reference to the one you posted

Direct quotations

[charred gust]

so which one of them is correct ?

[shrewd sparrow]

Lmao I get the point of sending this but can I just say, outside of the point what bullshit this is

God I hate Take-Two

[leaden orchid]

The one that actually uses the transcribe source

The quotations themselves

Either that or you're trusting the WORD of Dean Takahashi more

[prisma cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-argument-weeknd-gif-19413854

[charred gust]

My guy, how many times do i have to repeat stuff for you ? TLOU is as much a remake as GTA is if you've been following us, once again stop trying to pull a "it works for this but not this one because i said so"

[earnest shale]

https://tenor.com/view/the-weeknd-super-bowl-half-time-show-searching-looking-for-gif-20286748

[leaden orchid]

Dean was the one to use remake in his own article

[prisma cargo]

Guys

[charred gust]

i dont even know who he is i'm literally asking, because if what he said is BS then we can just use any other example you want other than GTA, point remains the same

[earnest shale]

no

[leaden orchid]

He struggled to complete the Cuphead tutorial and can't play video games if his life depended on it

[charred gust]

oh

[shrewd sparrow]

Nope, that's actually wrong.

TLOU is a rebuilding of the game from the ground up
(A remake)

GTA Trilogy is the mobile ports of the PS2 games with upscaling technology and updated lighting and UI

[leaden orchid]

He also said DOOM Eternal is too hard

[charred gust]

"GTA Trilogy is the mobile ports of the PS2 games with upscaling technology and updated lighting and UI"

[shrewd sparrow]

Aka a remaster

Not a remake

[leaden orchid]

By definition, yes, that's what a remaster is

[stark oyster]

I feel we should rephrase what remake means

[leaden orchid]

It's very simple

[stark oyster]

Because there's remaster, reboot, and remake

[fleet gulch]

Pretty sure they already have clear distinctions

[leaden orchid]

I don't understand why this was a discussion

[blissful parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-arguments-discord-fnf-friday-night-funkin-spooky-month-gif-21798129

[stark oyster]

Misunderstanding I guess

[leaden orchid]

Z2K1 is insistent that Dead Space remake is a remaster (???) while also saying that the GTA trilogy remaster is a remake (???)

The discussion turned into GTA because he initially made that comparison

[stark oyster]

Zeke is just goofy

[earnest shale]

Me when I have dyslexia

[shrewd sparrow]

My argument operates within what's clearly defined as a remake in the industry

As in, a remake is a fundamental recreation of another video game.

A remaster is the same video game ported into maybe a new engine, or newer hardware where it can then be changed between graphical upgrades, gameplay, UI, etc.

[stark oyster]

Pretty much

[shrewd sparrow]

A Reboot is a new take on another IP

[fleet gulch]

Remaster: Updates visuals on an already existing game
Remake: A game made from the ground up with similar gameplay and same story
Reboot: A series made from the ground up, most of the of the mechanics are reworked and the story is getting changed

[shrewd sparrow]

That's completely different

[leaden orchid]

And then started using Dean Takahashi's own words a "proof" that the CEO called the trilogy a remake, which is a lie since Dean is an idiot who makes things up and didn't use any quotes from the original transcript.

[charred gust]

okay consider this since apparently that guy dean is a clown, studio A calls a game that you can clearly see just has better graphics The Game : Remake that's built from the ground up (its actually the same game with better lighting, UI and textures like you said), by your logic this is a remaster, yes ?

[somber valve]

HOW IS THIS STILL GOING

[leaden orchid]

Which btw, it shouldn't ACTUALLY matter what a dev or CEO calls something, I don't care if a math professor tells me that 1+1 = 3, I know for a fact that it's actually 2.

[stark oyster]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/993471132193792000/1044169635454521354/attachment.gif

[leaden orchid]

Using definitions and textbook claims are better than the words of creators

[charred gust]

the reason why i brought up the GTA discussion in the first place was because you tried to use the "but they said its rebuilt from the ground up" take so it must be a remake!

[earnest shale]

[charred gust]

but GTA isn't because its just a port of the mobile games!

[river flare]

someone who plays clash royale?

[fleet gulch]

Do you understand what remade from the ground up means?

[leaden orchid]

When they show evidence of it being built from the ground up, it makes sense to believe them, yeah.

[leaden orchid]

Because it is an upscaled port of the mobile games...

[patent otter]

who pinged me

[leaden orchid]

Vilkki

[earnest shale]

I did (not really)

[patent otter]

how is it possible discord still doesn't have a ''jump to ping'' feature

[patent otter]

what for

[leaden orchid]

It does

[patent otter]

you just did

[river flare]

There is one

[patent otter]

where

[charred gust]

If you wanna use textbook claims we can do that as well, do know however that the textbook definition you'll find isn't the one i'll find because there's literally 2 takes surrounding remakes that are often thrown around

[earnest shale]

[river flare]

u from mobile?

[manic hill]

@earnest shale got 🎁 Present!

[patent otter]

my inbox is just the media channel

[river flare]

what

[pseudo swallow]

I dont see it

Maybe cuz mobile bad

Cant even favourite gifs

[leaden orchid]

remake
verb
/riːˈmeɪk/
make (something) again or differently.
"the bed would be more comfortable if it were remade"
noun
/ˈriːmeɪk/
a film or piece of music that has been filmed or recorded again.
"a remake of the classic horror tale, ‘Frankenstein’"

remaster
/riːˈmɑːstə/
Learn to pronounce
verb
make a new master of (a sound recording), typically in order to improve the sound quality.
"all the tracks have been remastered from the original tapes"

These are the dictionary definitions, which can easily be applied to gaming.

[earnest shale]

what if I dont own a computer (Not my case)

[river flare]

My case

[pseudo swallow]

No my case

[shrewd sparrow]

No. and this thought exercise shows me that you are missing the point.

If Studio A, recreates and old game from the ground up. I don't care how close it looks or feels to the original it's a remake. That's what a remake is, objectively, that's how it is defined.

If instead of remaking the game they just ported the game into newer tech, updating the visuals and what have you, that is not a remake. It is a remaster, as the game was not RE-MADE

("re" being "again", made being "create")

The word "remake" means to "create again" to "redo" etc.

The word "remaster" is to "re" (again) "master" (as in the way a DJ might master a track to make it better than the original) it is not a RE-CREATION

Is this not clear?

[pseudo swallow]

But still im on mobile now

[river flare]

No its mine

[earnest shale]

same

[manic hill]

@earnest shale got 🎁 Present!

[stark oyster]

Bro pulled out the definition, certified Grammar Guy moment

[earnest shale]

GG

[leaden orchid]

Bottom right bell icon

[leaden orchid]

Filter by mentions, not unread

[charred gust]

you're using a definition of the word that doesn't even actually exist that you found in gamefaqs ? i also know about it dude

and from my side

[river flare]

weird I have the @

[pseudo swallow]

I have @

O SHI

[earnest shale]

@

[river flare]

Probably iOS user

[pseudo swallow]

Its there

Yoooo

[leaden orchid]

No it exists, this is the dictionary lol

[pseudo swallow]

Grammer police

[leaden orchid]

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/remaster

[fleet gulch]

[river flare]

cock

[leaden orchid]

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/remake

[fleet gulch]

My man brought up the fucking dictionary

[shrewd sparrow]

I have a simplified version of this but let's be real, why do these terms actually need to be defined right here

The definition of a "remake" is literally embedded in the word itself. It is a "re" (again) "make" (create)

To create again, that's a remake

[earnest shale]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-users-discord-ping-pings-pinging-gif-19349955

wrong gif

[river flare]

lmfao

[manic hill]

@river flare got 🎁 Present!

[earnest shale]

anyway

[charred gust]

yes, as i said you're using the definition of the WORD, by your logic the PS4 version of a game is a remake of the xbox one, because it was made again, same with the PC version

[manic hill]

@river flare got 🎁 Present!

[river flare]

how does this sheet work now

[charred gust]

the definition i'll bring on my side is this "remake = doesn't change the story, but significantly changes the gameplay.
remaster = doesn't change the story or gameplay significantly, but just updates the look."

[leaden orchid]

Because Z2K1 likes to die on this hill that absolutely no one, not even the Cambridge dictionary or the people behind Dead Space remake and GTA Trilogy remaster agree with him.

[leaden orchid]

It was not made again, it is a different product

[shrewd sparrow]

@charred gust you are denying facts, denying what's actually true because of your feelings.

Just because you feel like a remake isn't a remake, because some companies like Capcom do remakes better than others, doesn't mean that it's not a remake at the end of the day.

As Ben Shapiro once said "facts don't care about your feelings" brotherrr

[leaden orchid]

Different title, different brand, different specs, different software

It is nothing alike nor intentioned to be a remake

[charred gust]

Uh huh, so Dark Souls 2 Scholar of the First Sin is a remake of Dark Souls 2 ?

[fleet gulch]

My man telling us we making up headcannons, while he himself is making up headcannons of the definitions

[river flare]

help

[manic hill]

@river flare got 🎁 Present!

[charred gust]

since it has all that

[leaden orchid]

I don't know anything about Dark Souls 2 tbh so I can't comment

[river flare]

So no one plays clash royale

frick

[charred gust]

What's the last game you played and liked

[fleet gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[river flare]

warzone 2.0

[leaden orchid]

@patent otter

[charred gust]

cock you're not even arguing so please don't disturb this

keep the replies to whatever social media platform you use, thanks

[leaden orchid]

You can also filter @ everyone pings out, or include pings just from the server you're looking at

[river flare]

Better saying debating tho

[charred gust]

i agree

[leaden orchid]

Darktide

[leaden orchid]

That is an insulting remark

[shrewd sparrow]

I don't think they remade scholar of the first sin from the ground up, correct me if I'm wrong but it's a remaster with added enemies, rings, bosses, etc.

[charred gust]

okay so if in a year they release a GOTY edition of the game that's a remake for you ?

[shrewd sparrow]

I don't actually know so I'm asking

Tell me if it's a remake

[leaden orchid]

Because he uses Discord and you're trying to gatekeep him from the discussion

[charred gust]

it's actually not since we're cool

[fleet gulch]

My man, you're literally making up headcannons right now

[leaden orchid]

That's an edition because it's the exact same game

[charred gust]

i'm not, it's just that posting gifs like that are an insult on their own

[leaden orchid]

It's not a remake, it's a re release

[river flare]

he is weak ngl

[blissful parrot]

discordians admit you're wrong challenge EXTREME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[river flare]

frick you

[fleet gulch]

Yeah, posting gifs to tell my honest reaction on the stuff you're saying without having to say anything

[leaden orchid]

Z2K keeps on making strawman arguments but I'll keep on humouring them

[charred gust]

But you said at the beginning we're following the definition of things, in this case the definition of remake, which is make something again right ? building the final game again with the DLCs included isn't making it again ?

[river flare]

wait a min

[manic hill]

@river flare got 🎁 Present!

[river flare]

what level do I need to post media here again?

[charred gust]

If you make 2 cakes a year apart from each other didn't you make the 2nd one ?

[fleet gulch]

That's not building the game from the ground up, that's literally bundling stuff up

[heavy orbit]

wdym again?

[blazing wraith]

level 1

or whatever

civilian

[river flare]

oh alr

[charred gust]

Yeah but i'm just following you guys and your definition take

[river flare]

ty

[earnest shale]

get the citizen role by talking

[charred gust]

Look at the analogy i gave you

[river flare]

I talked, now gib admin

[shrewd sparrow]

@charred gust how do you still not understand what a remake is?

If they were to release a GOTY of a game how could that be a remake? Seriously? What's your logic behind that, a remake is a fundamental redesigning of the game starting from nothing ending with a game. Just re releasing your game with a different subtitle and some dlc added on isn't a remake, they didn't re create the entire game for a GOTY edition, unless they were too, then yes it's a remake.

[leaden orchid]

You're not building the final game again.

[charred gust]

"What's your logic behind that", it isn't my logic it's yours since you guys said we're following the literal definition of things

which is why i gave you that analogy

[leaden orchid]

No, it IS your logic, because you're not even understanding the textbook definitions of the words we just described to you

[shrewd sparrow]

No it isn't. Because they didn't make the game again, they just re released it with DLC. That's not a remake because they didn't rebuild the entire game again. Every texture, structure, lighting configuration, everything was already there. They already have the game

[leaden orchid]

Your head canon definitions of the words have strayed so far from the actual definitions, that they're their own words in your head now

[charred gust]

You are ? It's a GOTY edition, if you bought dark souls 2 on steam originally and paid for the DLCs it would come separately right ? if you bought the bundled package it's a single thing you download, so you did MAKE it again

[shrewd sparrow]

Yes we are. The definition of a remake has already been sent here. A re release is not a remake

[fleet gulch]

Mate, you got 2 brain cells and both are fighting for 3rd place

[stark oyster]

😭

Cock bro

[leaden orchid]

That's called selling mate lmfao, you're not making more of them

[stark oyster]

I can't 😭

[shrewd sparrow]

This is seriously the dumbest hill he's ever chosen to defend

[charred gust]

I find it funny how you say this after claiming i'm the one who was insulting you ?

[leaden orchid]

Holy fuck I'm dying here now

[shrewd sparrow]

@charred gust no one's gonna judge you if you admit that you're wrong

[earnest shale]

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON 😭

[stark oyster]

Run while you can bro

[leaden orchid]

Honestly yeah

[fleet gulch]

You're trying to make shit up to defend your takes and arguments you failed to defend in the first place when we brought up real facts to the table

[leaden orchid]

This is actually absurd

[honest crane]

Bruv reused the joke from the VC

[leaden orchid]

No one is agreeing with you here

[earnest shale]

can we

talk about

[leaden orchid]

Not even any internet sources

[earnest shale]

top tier shit

[fleet gulch]

yes

[blissful parrot]

its like 5v1

[earnest shale]

[leaden orchid]

Or logical definitions

Yet you're still trying to argue

For what?

You KNOW you cannot be right in this regard, right?

[honest crane]

Let's talk about... Game Awards?

Predictions

[blissful parrot]

\

[leaden orchid]

Like

[blissful parrot]

even worse

[earnest shale]

Rigged shit

[leaden orchid]

This isn't even opinionated

[honest crane]

PREDICTIONS FOR GAME ANNOUNCEMENTS

[manic hill]

@blissful parrot got 🎁 Present!

[honest crane]

[manic hill]

@heavy orbit got 🎁 Present!

[honest crane]

No one cares about awards

[river flare]

real

[honest crane]

Only game announcements

[river flare]

I care about dl1 dockets

[earnest shale]

Spider-Man 2 gameplay

star wars jedi survivor release date

[blissful parrot]

dude they would argue about which pixel on a characters buttcheek is better

[charred gust]

You're just not getting it, none of you are, you said remaking something is literally making it again, imagine with me you're a dev in a game engine (say PS4 for example), the first time around you're gonna build a .pkg file for the main game right, call it Game.pkg for example, when you make the expansions you'll build each of them as in Expansion1.pkg etc then release them that way, when you want to make the bundle you are going to have to put all of them together and then ONCE AGAIN build the final game which would be FinalGame.pkg, did you not MAKE AGAIN ?

[earnest shale]

My predicitions are those

[river flare]

lol

Welcome to discord ig

.pkg file?

[earnest shale]

webp

[leaden orchid]

No you did not, you just bundled things together, as you said.

[river flare]

jpeg

[earnest shale]

zip

[leaden orchid]

If I add a porch to a house, that's not remaking the house

[earnest shale]

🗿

[charred gust]

lmfao, i love how you're all trying to use the "just admit you're wrong bro" on something that i know i'm not wrong about ? either debate or concede, stop trying to push this narrative because it's not gonna work

[leaden orchid]

If I add content to a game, that's not remaking the game

[river flare]

7z

[blissful parrot]

"but actually"🤓

[charred gust]

Okay so by your logic the first Game.pkg file is the same as FinalGame.pkg right ?

[earnest shale]

I couldnt imagine z2k1 arguing about politics

[blissful parrot]

[charred gust]

As in if you started up both of those games they'd be the same

[manic hill]

@earnest shale got 🎁 Present!

[river flare]

frick

[fleet gulch]

Does fixing a bug mean remaking the game? Since that means rebuilding files to pack them, right?

[river flare]

Who got it?

[earnest shale]

me

[river flare]

aw dang

[earnest shale]

[charred gust]

Read it again since you got close to the idea but not quite

(it's in the fact that you're remaking the entire package)

[shrewd sparrow]

@charred gust you are making yourself seem less intelligent by bending peoples words to fit how you feel about a certain topic, you continue to deny the truth and deflect definitions to forge your own that are inaccurate.

There's no credence to your argument as you've been disproved about every point down to the most basic fundamental level of your argument.

If instead, of all this you just said you aren't a fan of lazy remakes or remasters that are called remakes everyone would have been on board with you

Those are opinions that most people share and can't be broken down on a factual basis within reality, as so they are just opinions.

Yet, when you say things like "it's not a remake because it looks like a remaster" that's your opinion being predicated on two clearly defined terms, making the statement itself incorrect on a basis of definition.

It's embarrassing to argue against what's true, it's upsetting to watch you be faced with the facts yet deny them so boldy, and it's truthfully depressing to watch you force yourself to die on this hill based on the fact that you are unable to admit when you are wrong.

[honest creek]

[river flare]

Oh jesus a poem

[leaden orchid]

Rebundling a package doesn't make the contents different nor would anyone consider it a different thing

[earnest shale]

a haiku

[blissful parrot]

if i shit in a toilet am i remastering the toilet

[fleet gulch]

But they're not remaking the entire package, they're literally using PRE EXISTING FILES AND PACKING THEM TOGETHER

[leaden orchid]

For all intents and purposes, FinalGame has everything that Game has, just more.

[earnest shale]

If I paint the house am I remastering it?

[blissful parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/fnb-get-this-man-a-true-gif-25257480

[heavy orbit]

dude just enjoy the game

[leaden orchid]

More because of the expansion content, just like the house and the porch analogy

[fleet gulch]

Fixing a bug means: Unpack files, change code, repack files, that's a remake using your definiton

[blissful parrot]

enjoy the game challenge EXTREME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[charred gust]

i truly understand what you're saying and i can tell it hasn't changed in the last 2 hours, but please stay on topic and quit the narrative i told you to quit in my last reply, thanks

[blissful parrot]

boxing match to settle this

its the only way

[charred gust]

Bro can you stop dodging and answer the question ? are they the same or not

[blissful parrot]

[earnest shale]

try not to argue in #🎯︱other-games challenge EXTREMELY HARD

[leaden orchid]

When talking about game remakes, we're talking about remaking an entire thing and not only naming it that, but it is defined as a separate entity that is completely different from the original in every single way. Remakes like Dead Space remake are exactly that.

[blissful parrot]

agree with someone elses opinion challenge EXTREME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[leaden orchid]

They are the same, FinalGame has a little more to it

[charred gust]

The 2 parts in your sentence are contradictory, you do realize that ?

[blissful parrot]

jesus christ

[earnest shale]

Hey guys

[leaden orchid]

For FinalGame and Game, they both actually have everything in common (except for the extra content that FinalGame has)

[earnest shale]

I'm dying

[river flare]

Light

[charred gust]

Which is what nullifies the entire argument you're trying to say, the fact that they're not the same means that it WAS remade again, which once again i'm just using as your definition

[earnest shale]

the feeling is mutual

[charred gust]

Once again being self contradictory, we'r talking about is it the same or not

[leaden orchid]

Because you're trying to frame it like the parts of a thing don't reflect on the whole.

[charred gust]

"(except for the extra content that FinalGame has)" this means it isnt the same

[earnest shale]

[charred gust]

I'm really not i'm just trying to get you to give me an answer to move on

[leaden orchid]

Well no, they're not the exact same game

[charred gust]

Because once you do that we can start circling back and rebuilding the entire narrative

[charred gust]

GREAT

[river flare]

No

[honest crane]

Wait what game are we even talking about?

[earnest shale]

why not

[honest crane]

TLOU Remake?

[leaden orchid]

Well actually, you can get a game with all the DLCs and then disable them in the Steam DLC section, and play as if you got the base game

Lmao

[river flare]

They are talking about the definition of remake

[manic hill]

@heavy orbit got 🎁 Present!

[honest crane]

Alright

[earnest shale]

they started arguing about Dead Space, now is GTA

idk

[shrewd sparrow]

@charred gust in order to continue with this I'm gonna need to find common ground with you on what a remake and a remaster are.

So just to be clear do you agree with these definitions as applied to gaming? If you disagree, what are YOUR definitions of these two terms. Furthermore, restate your argument in a single message.

Why is The Dead Space remake not a remake?

remake
verb
/riːˈmeɪk/
make (something) again or differently.
"the bed would be more comfortable if it were remade"
noun
/ˈriːmeɪk/
a film or piece of music that has been filmed or recorded again.
"a remake of the classic horror tale, ‘Frankenstein’"

remaster
/riːˈmɑːstə/
Learn to pronounce
verb
make a new master of (a sound recording), typically in order to improve the sound quality.
"all the tracks have been remastered from the original tapes"

[fleet gulch]

One is a game made from the ground up using brand new assets, brand new code, brand new everything, the other is just a game bundled up with the dlcs, AKA USING EXISTING SHIT

[earnest shale]

I lost it already

[river flare]

What

[blissful parrot]

rookie numbers

[earnest shale]

fr

[leaden orchid]

Z2K1 thinks that GTA trilogy is a remake not a remaster, despite everything that exists in the world saying otherwise. He is also claiming that Dead Space remake is a remaster.

[earnest shale]

guys

[leaden orchid]

I'm just watching Brazil destroy Korea rn

[earnest shale]

What was your Longest gaming session?

[honest crane]

Already 4-0. Jesus

[charred gust]

I wanna elaborate on this first, i'm specifically talking about the scenario we said and i am aware of what you're addressing, for example with borderlands 1 they released it with their DLCs separately then removed it from steam and did the GOTY edition which is a single pack, now going back to what we were discussing earlier, since we both agree that Game and FinalGame aren't the same, we can agree that FinalGame was in fact made again right ? because it can't be different if its the same original file, so by your original definition of what remaking it, is it in fact a remake

[heavy orbit]

Man, he's the smartest man alive, Reed Richards

[honest crane]

16 hours

[leaden orchid]

Prob the one time I played RE8 in one sitting, 13 hours

[charred gust]

the first part is what i used as an example btw, not what i actually think, i've made that clear multiple times now

[blissful parrot]

whar?

[shrewd sparrow]

@charred gust please reply this I'm really trying to find common ground with you and understand your POV

[earnest shale]

I have rookie numbers

[somber valve]

bro

how

[river flare]

gow is good

[shrewd sparrow]

There has to be a goal, we are going around in circles here

[earnest shale]

9 hours on Uncharted 4 multiplayer

[leaden orchid]

It wasn't made again, they just added segments to Game.

[somber valve]

yeah yeah but how is this still going

[leaden orchid]

FinalGame is made from Game, not rebuilt from the ground up

[vital vector]

It was a great stream, even though I couldn't stay up for the whole duration.

[river flare]

It just does

[somber valve]

calmest day on other games

[river flare]

Oh hey alpvia

[leaden orchid]

And YouTube cucklords limited the VOD to 12 hours

[earnest shale]

I finished my first playthrough of re8 in 8 hours

Tons of fun

[shrewd sparrow]

@charred gust please.

[charred gust]

We agreed on this point in order to move on to this next one

[molten pewter]

omg, this is still going on

[vital vector]

I shaved my non-existent beard, mustache, took a shower, and this argument is still going on.

[charred gust]

i'm gonna read it and reply dw just a sec because im reading all the replies that came up

[blissful parrot]

no beard

[leaden orchid]

Those statements are both true

And not contradictory

[earnest shale]

By this time I would have already completed RE2 remake twice

[blissful parrot]

theyll kill each other

[leaden orchid]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/396090984242479114/1049407533929996408/ezgif.com-gif-maker_2.gif

[river flare]

It sure is.

[vital vector]

Yeah, you took my Discord mod beard.

[earnest shale]

[blissful parrot]

i made that :D

[honest crane]

Imagine shaving away your moustache

[molten pewter]

I'll lend you mine

[charred gust]

Yeah i don't see the problem here, you posted the definitions of the words remake and remaster (one of which we're literally still using as the basis for our conversation), like the fact that you think this is where the issue is means you haven't been paying attention at all my guy

[honest crane]

Bro's got the Ottoman beard. Look at that

[vital vector]

Look way better without it.

[honest crane]

[river flare]

grow one like stalin did

[molten pewter]

There's a name for people without beards

[honest crane]

Why Stalin 💀

[earnest shale]

Marx's beard solos

[honest crane]

What is it?

[molten pewter]

Women

[honest crane]

💀

[earnest shale]

[river flare]

[vital vector]

Hell yeah. 💪

[river flare]

[heavy orbit]

me

[manic hill]

@heavy orbit got 🎁 Present!

[blissful parrot]

[honest crane]

Oh fuck off!

I was so close

[lunar snow]

So when are we getting a remaster of the defence of Stalingrad

[blissful parrot]

wait

[earnest shale]

nah

[blissful parrot]

is the arguing done>?!?!?!!??!?!?1

[vital vector]

[earnest shale]

D day remake when

[manic hill]

@heavy orbit got 🎁 Present!

[blissful parrot]

mine ?

[shrewd sparrow]

Bro, I am trying to find common ground with you, you've only replied to PART of the message

So, you agree with those definitions, that was the first thing I asked. That's great.

So now that we have common ground, as we both agree on what remasters and remakes are, please, describe to me how the "Dead Space" remake is not a remake.

[heavy orbit]

interestingly enough, women can actually grow beards

[honest crane]

Someone pin this

[charred gust]

Which is where i'll bring up the definition you used again and thanks @shrewd sparrow for repasting it "make (something) again or differently.", you said they're not exactly the same game, so you agree that there's difference between them, but it is still the same game, which on its own is a direct reflection of the definition, i invite you to consider this

[earnest shale]

🗿

[river flare]

If you're taking alpvia I'm taking @earnest shale smh

[honest crane]

[earnest shale]

[blissful parrot]

wait

[shrewd sparrow]

@leaden orchid he invited you to consider it

[earnest shale]

sure let me cut my dick first

[shrewd sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-nye-bill-nye-the-science-guy-scienceguy-consider-gif-7391226

[blissful parrot]

i remember something @honest crane

[earnest shale]

dummy

[blissful parrot]

[honest crane]

Oh no

Don't you dare

[blissful parrot]

:awaitingban:

[manic hill]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/903006344230105118/964223045462028318/IMG_2350.png

[blissful parrot]

[earnest shale]

down bad

[honest crane]

AAAAAAAAA