🎯︱other-games

[charred gust]

the one s is adorable, its like doing its best and really tryharding

[fossil sequoia]

xbox one problem

I mean

Look at the damn fire

LMAO

That fire gets me

[charred gust]

its doing its best to load it

lmfao

minecraft type fire

altho on a serious note its legit not as bad as that one guy who did a comparison made it out to be for me

[fossil sequoia]

Mhm

I adore Callisto

[honest crane]

Why does your fire look like firecrackers have exploded?

[fossil sequoia]

My one problem with the game is the mutation system

[manic hill]

@honest crane got 🎁 Present!

[heavy orbit]

mf

[charred gust]

lmfao

i swear the last gen consoles are adorable

[fossil sequoia]

Once you initially encounter the mutation it feels like 95% of the enemies will mutate which is way too high in my opinion

[honest crane]

I don't think I've seen any enemy of mine mutate so far

[fossil sequoia]

It gets to the point where when you kill an enemy without them mutating You are genuinely shocked

[charred gust]

95% ?

and you were playing on medium ?

https://tenor.com/view/nico-seal-nico-the-seal-toba-aquarium-toba-gif-19121411

[fossil sequoia]

I was yes

[charred gust]

perhaps selecting maximum wasn't my best decision

but fuck it fr i love the combat

[fossil sequoia]

I just wanna say

Normal difficulty is actually still very challenging

[charred gust]

i don't mind dying 12 times in a row till i beat a section, its fun

[stark oyster]

*the death animations

[charred gust]

its legit like you described it, it gives me TLOU2 / Days Gone combat vibes

[fossil sequoia]

You will, Especially when you have to re-upgrade your gear each and every time

[charred gust]

that dog fight type shit, no dark souls typical boss type shit remember his animations and then its gonna be the same every time

[charred gust]

sounds like a skill issue, just upgrade your gear and dont die

and do it in one go

[fossil sequoia]

Uh-Huh

[stark oyster]

The dodge sucks in Callisto

[charred gust]

im jk

i know what you mean

[stark oyster]

Having to use your left stick is goofy

[fossil sequoia]

Nah

[stark oyster]

[fossil sequoia]

It feels good to me

[charred gust]

it really doesnt, i thought it looked goofy too until i played it

[honest crane]

If you're used to it. It's not a problem at all

[fossil sequoia]

I thought it'd be goofy too

[honest crane]

Just be smart with it

[stark oyster]

Dodging, or deflecting I can deal with.

Dodging with the left stick is just... weird

[fossil sequoia]

but having beaten the game I can say the dodge was more than fine

[charred gust]

it legit makes sense when u actually get in a dogfight with an enemy with it, they literally found a way to remove an input button, if anything it makes it easier and more responsive since you're literally just holding one input at a time

[stark oyster]

[charred gust]

if the average game is Push Left Stick + Press A now its just Push Left Stick

[stark oyster]

*push left stick, then right, then left

You have to dodge combos

[charred gust]

oh so that's what gripes you ? you'd rather just push left stick and spam A then

i think its good

[stark oyster]

I'd rather have a parry or something

[charred gust]

once again perhaps its just one of those things you gotta try out and see for yourself, but i dont see an issue with it with how well it works

[stark oyster]

Like Sekiro

[charred gust]

like its insane because of how i was expecting a huge input delay sort thing but its just smooth

[fossil sequoia]

There's a block. With a counter if you have the upgrade

[stark oyster]

Blocking which you still take damage

[charred gust]

like usually with analog sticks you obviously have the deadzone thing depending on how far you'd push it, so my initial expectations was you wouldnt be able to just flick it and make it work but it does

[fossil sequoia]

Also @charred gust I cannot reccomend more that you immediately upgrade the right side of the baton twice so you can break their arms.

It's so helpful to stop them from blocking and take an arm so they have one less side to hit from

[charred gust]

[stark oyster]

Oh yeah

The healing isn't very good

[manic hill]

@stark oyster got 🎁 Present!

[fossil sequoia]

I like that though

[stark oyster]

At least the animation

[fossil sequoia]

It adds pressure to combat

[stark oyster]

No it doesn't

[fossil sequoia]

It does

[stark oyster]

It adds tediousness

[fossil sequoia]

It adds pressure. Not sure if you're able to pull off a heal in time

[stark oyster]

Getting hit through a wall isn't pressure

[fossil sequoia]

Never happened to me

[stark oyster]

If you just need to top up your health, you waste a whole syringe

That's silly

[fossil sequoia]

Then

Don't heal unless it's low

[stark oyster]

[fossil sequoia]

You're just nitpicking

Literally no other game I know of allows you to use half a healing item

Once you press use, It uses it all up.

[charred gust]

is tarkov's reload system also garbage because it's not like COD where you can reload a clip after you shot a single bullet and still keep the same bullet count ?

like do you see the point here

[stark oyster]

No, that would be saying that I keep getting hit through dodges, it keeps shooting randomly, stopping my heals, you have to upgrade anything to even use it properly.

[fossil sequoia]

Magazine***

[manic hill]

@stark oyster got 🎁 Present!

[charred gust]

nou

[honest crane]

HOW

[stark oyster]

Called tactical reloads

[fossil sequoia]

You get hit through dodges if you dodge wrong dummy

[stark oyster]

Every game is different, but wasting a WHOLE syringe because you only needed a small amount is awful

[fossil sequoia]

You're supposed to dodge AWAY from the attack

[charred gust]

yeah this tactical reload is the equivalent of what you're comparing here, i hope its clear

[stark oyster]

Shut up

I'm trying to dodge THROUGH them clearly

[fossil sequoia]

I never once got hit through my dodge

Skill issue idk

[stark oyster]

Not at all

Ammo is not very invaluable, there's large quantities of it. But healing, there's rarely any. Why should I waste healing

[charred gust]

in tarkov ?

[fossil sequoia]

So then wait until you're low

[charred gust]

[stark oyster]

In games

[fossil sequoia]

Enemies drop ammo credits and Health in Callisto

[stark oyster]

Just don't play the damn game then

[fossil sequoia]

If you're missing a little, Just stomp corpses and pray for health drop

[stark oyster]

"How dare you try to prepare for the next fight!"

[charred gust]

why are you trying to get away from the example i specifically gave you ?

[fossil sequoia]

It's a survival horror game bro

[charred gust]

i asked you a simple question, is tarkov garbage because it uses tac reload and it is a game where ammo IS scarce

[stark oyster]

Why are you not listening

[fossil sequoia]

Preparation will always come with a downside In a survival horror game

[stark oyster]

It's not cod? What? Oh my lord! Thanks for the info!

[charred gust]

i am listening but you keep trying to evade the situation i put you in by trying to generalize it when in fact i specified that one case to make you understand

[fossil sequoia]

You don't have the resources to prepare for everything

[earnest shale]

Now I'm feeling motivated!

[fossil sequoia]

Huh?

[stark oyster]

Is ammo in very few quantities in Tarkov?

[earnest shale]

kippie knows

[stark oyster]

Like a few bullets here, and there?

[stark oyster]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/993471132193792000/1044169635454521354/attachment.gif

[earnest shale]

[charred gust]

yes, and its a game that has tac reload

[honest crane]

@charred gust have you seen the upgrades yet?

[charred gust]

by your logic its the same situation since you're wasting an entire mag (a scarce resource) when you might only need 1 or 2 to kill an enemy

[fossil sequoia]

He on max difficulty so probably not

[charred gust]

so like is it garbage based off that take

[honest crane]

💀

[stark oyster]

By your logic I shouldn't use any items then, yes?

Just die over and over and over again?

[fossil sequoia]

No, By his logic you should learn to play survival horror games ^^

[stark oyster]

You should play an actual survival horror game

Try out the Resident Evil series I'd recommend it.

[fossil sequoia]

I grew up with the original RE games on PS1 & N64 Bro

[charred gust]

not really lmfao, you're supposed to use it when you have to, at the same time you're gonna find yourself in the spot where you don't have 50 medkits and barely have your health down, like this is the entire theme that i've noticed with this game compared to dead space, this actually needs a brain

[stark oyster]

I just don't get the point you're trying to make

All I said was the healing is bad and you're bringing up Tarkov

[charred gust]

you know what never mind i said anything

[leaden orchid]

Mid fight healing not being a thing in Callisto is sadge

[charred gust]

[manic hill]

@stark oyster got 🎁 Present!

[charred gust]

im gonna go back to playing the game, and once again

[stark oyster]

That's what I'm trying to say

[fossil sequoia]

The point he's trying to make is you clearly don't understand what it is that makes the game a survival horror game if you're complaining about a long healing animation

[leaden orchid]

I mean, you can try to heal, but you're gonna die doing it

[fossil sequoia]

It wouldn't be very scary if you could instaheal in every fight

[leaden orchid]

You can insta heal in many survival horror games

As a fan of RE4 you should know that

[stark oyster]

That's called preparation, if I can prepare my heals for a difficult boss fight I'll not die aa easily.

[fossil sequoia]

Yes, But this engage in other elements to make it more tense

[stark oyster]

So many snowflakes

Not enough presents though

[leaden orchid]

I don't find it tense as much as tiresome / annoying

[manic hill]

@stark oyster got 🎁 Present!

[fossil sequoia]

If you could instaheal in callisto it'd be too easy and I don't think I'd enjoy it as much

[leaden orchid]

I disagree

I don't think the difficulty would be way easier

You're still using up a whole heal

[stark oyster]

That's what I've been trying to say, you can't insta heal and healing a small amount wastes the whole syringe

[fossil sequoia]

The game honestly gave me more than I used

[leaden orchid]

Same, but only because the game gives you tons of heals that aren't injectors outside of combat arenas

[fossil sequoia]

I was getting most of my healing from stomps

[leaden orchid]

I found myself selling 80% of my injectors

[stark oyster]

They give as much as those converters

[fossil sequoia]

I sold a lot of semi auto handgun bullets because it just felt underwhelming to use

[charred gust]

I'm sure you also know that in RE4 you can run away from basically every fight for atleast a couple of seconds because of how the game's movement works and how it's the same when you're in a fight with someone, from this perspective taking away that ability to instaheal would just not make sense, the direction they're taking in callisto however is more unforgiving, it's like what they did in days gone, if you walk into a fight you either finish it and you're still alive or you die (altho that game was still more forgiving since the weapon wheel gave you slowmo), i legit don't get why this is a problem and is being used to shit on the game, the message is loud and clear even to me having my baby steps in this game, be good enough to not die in a single encounter or try again and improve, its that simple

[leaden orchid]

Actually you bring up another point I don't like with Callisto, how slow Jacob moves

[charred gust]

Like what you're all doing is blaming the devs for taking a specific approach to how they want you to play THEIR game, if you don't like it just play dead space and stack up 10 medkits

[leaden orchid]

Sometimes I want to reposition for a better area to fight or run away to get some space

You can't cus enemies move faster

[leaden orchid]

Yes I'm blaming them for making some poor decisions

[charred gust]

yeah you just can't from what it seems, thats literally what the game is just built upon

[leaden orchid]

Yes, that's intentional, and I don't like it

[charred gust]

there's no running from enemies in this one, stand your ground and beat them up then you can heal is what they wanted

[stark oyster]

And I'd you're getting attacked from behind you turn pretty slow

[leaden orchid]

Oh if you're attacked from behind that's gg

[stark oyster]

Pretty much

Unless you back up In time

[leaden orchid]

You can't try to out aggro enemies to stun one and then move to the other, you can't dodge from both sides, you just die or survive with less hp

[charred gust]

I'm assuming you meant to say "Yes I'm blaming them for making some poor decisions in my opinion" ?

[leaden orchid]

Well yes, all of our discussion is opinion

You're saying that as if your statements have any more objective fact over mine

[charred gust]

Yeah that's great, i respect that, was just making sure

[charred gust]

Not really, its never my intention, i just hope its clear that what you might hate about the game and think are poor decisions i can love and prefer over the norm we're both used to, and that both sides are right subjectively

Like the whole narrative here is that clearly the design choices they went with aren't for everyone, but at the same time there is a group of people such as me who appreciate it, and i would appreciate it even more if we could all universally agree that to say this game is just "mid" universally is being ignorant, in the sense of that's your opinion its fine and you're entitled to it as always

[leaden orchid]

If the choices they made aren't for everyone, they shouldn't have advertised it to be like Dead Space

calling the game mid isn't ignorant

[stark oyster]

There's only like one director from Dead Space

[leaden orchid]

Saying it that way is just throwing away any kind of criticism for anything that exists

[manic hill]

@stark oyster got 🎁 Present!

[charred gust]

By that logic every soulslike game shouldn't have an MC because the souls games did it differently, which i'm sure you don't agree with

[leaden orchid]

If someone doesn't like someone and feels that something is of a certain quality, that is legitimate.

[honest crane]

Z2K1 trying to calm people down so that he won't get cancelled by an Aussie that says GG to his life ( this is gonna be a struggle )

[leaden orchid]

Souls games do have MCs tho, the player

[honest crane]

/srs

[stark oyster]

💀

[leaden orchid]

Who even make appearances in cutscenes and interact with other characters and the world

[manic hill]

@stark oyster got 🎁 Present!

[stark oyster]

Zeke with the hot takes

[charred gust]

By an MC i mean an actual voiced character, that is singular (like they did in sekiro)

[leaden orchid]

I don't think that is an important part of those games

[charred gust]

Like by your logic Lords of the Fallen was also mid because they promised a souls like but didn't deliver

[stark oyster]

By that logic, you saying Skyrim doesn't have a main character?

[leaden orchid]

If that's the case, then it's false advertising I guess yeah, since they lacked elements that are in Souls like games yet advertised it as such

[stark oyster]

Even games with unvoiced characters have main characters, just weaker ones.

[charred gust]

yeah this is what we always come back to which i'll also tie with your previous reply about calling the game mid, it's your proper opinion and you're entitled to it and to express it, as long as it remains in the form of an opinion, thats my point

[honest crane]

We know Z2 lol

[leaden orchid]

I don't understand why you feel the need to express that

What's the point of that

[honest crane]

We're not in kindergarten teaching eachother about what's right and not when speaking about opinions

[stark oyster]

My opinion is objectively right (real)

[honest crane]

I'm about to single handly Kip you to the Pie

[charred gust]

I just don't agree, you can still say you're like a certain game and you don't need to have every element the original game did, if we follow this logic then resident evil 7 isn't a resident evil game because it didn't have a TPS viewmodel (which even tho i personally don't think it fits with the franchise), its still a resident evil game at the end of the day

[frail wind]

[stark oyster]

[leaden orchid]

I actually agree that RE7 doesn't feel like a proper RE game

[charred gust]

same example with the god of war games, old vs new, they're still god of war games, all of them whether you choose to acknowledge they're completely different or not

[stark oyster]

I did like the fpp though

That's why I loved RE4 vr

[leaden orchid]

A company that has a franchise "X" for a first person shooter series has the power to make a turn based strategy with completely different setting, story etc and can call it "X".

[charred gust]

so like the take that they failed to deliver on promising an experience that's like dead space because they took a different approach to gameplay and it can be considered as false advertising, i just honestly don't agree

[leaden orchid]

No one will agree with them though

[charred gust]

Yes but is it false advertising because it still had the name "X" ?

Can you sue them for it ?

(and actually win lmfao)

[leaden orchid]

No you cannot sue

Actually hold on

[stark oyster]

If it even vaguely resembles it, then no.

[charred gust]

So it isn't false advertising

[leaden orchid]

I believe false advertisement has been a basis for lawsuits before

[stark oyster]

It has, but it almost always falls through

[charred gust]

yeah, if it's actual legit false advertising

[earnest shale]

🗿

[charred gust]

it's not about whether you can sue because of it but can you sue for that specific situation

[manic hill]

@earnest shale got 🎁 Present!

[charred gust]

like if i went to a court and sued santa monica for switching the gameplay of the god of war games im pretty sure the court would just laugh at my dumb ass

[stark oyster]

Madge

[earnest shale]

i dont care

[stark oyster]

Rude

[earnest shale]

[leaden orchid]

If it was advertised to be like all the other games in the series, yes

[charred gust]

you're literally suing us for false advertising in a franchise that keeps the same name, which is a similar scenario if i went to sue Callisto's devs for promising to deliver something like dead space, there's so many subjective ideas around it that make it up

[stark oyster]

It is the same character, so no.

[charred gust]

the other side to it is how do you objectively define it ?

the jury can literally be 5 people who are me, and i find that they did deliver on that promise

[stark oyster]

The "God of War" being Kratos

[honest crane]

You cared responding

[stark oyster]

Outplayed

[leaden orchid]

You can objectively define it by taking elements of a game at face value. Things like:

• Third person
• Survival Horror genre
• Psychological storytelling
• "In-universe" HUD

Things that have been described by the devs as core elements of the game.

Actually Callisto has HUD for the crosshairs I just realised bruh

[charred gust]

ok i'll give another example then, can you consider DMC 4 false advertising because in that game you mainly play as Nero which doesn't have the styles (royal guard, trickster....) that the series is known for but instead has his own exceed system (which works in a completely different way) ?

[honest crane]

Ice in the fucking veins

[leaden orchid]

it's a sequel, sequels are known to take liberties by expanding both the story and gameplay.

[charred gust]

i'm glad you say that because that was bait

[leaden orchid]

People hold FIFA accountable for not having any innovation whatsoever

[honest crane]

https://tenor.com/view/pieface23-shh-out-played-gif-19939921

[leaden orchid]

Sequels are different to when you advertise a game to be like X

If that's what you thought this was going to lead to

[charred gust]

those elements are actually still present in the game, however you need to actually do a ng+ to play as dante and get them back

[shrewd sparrow]

Callisto looks mid

[honest crane]

Oh no

Jpik has joined the chat

[manic hill]

@stark oyster got 🎁 Present!

[honest crane]

HOW

[stark oyster]

The cycle continues anew

[honest crane]

KIPPIE I SWEAR TO GOD

[charred gust]

but the fact that you were able to concede that it doesn't matter and it isn't false advertising just proves how it isn't a valid point

[leaden orchid]

Nope

[stark oyster]

[shrewd sparrow]

Fr what's the discussion about?

[leaden orchid]

As I said, sequels in an existing series can have creative liberties as long as the core identity remains

In the case of Callisto, that is a game that was advertised to be like Dead Space

There are critical elements of the game that are either inferior or just non existent

[honest crane]

About false advertising or something about Callisto Protocol

Z2K1. Return to playing the game mate lol

You're missing out on some gold

[charred gust]

If we consider that callisto is a spiritual successor to the point where its a sequel but the only reason why its not called dead space 4 is obviously the falling out with EA and the original creator, couldn't you use this same point with it ?

[shrewd sparrow]

That's what it seemed like to me. Personally I thought it was just a spiritual successor to dead space because it's from mostly the same people and looked very similar in the marketing

[leaden orchid]

The only thing that could make my argument fall apart is if the devs never actually made that claim, but I'm pretty sure they did.

[charred gust]

Yeah but once again that's your opinion, i don't get why we're rolling around in this same point

[stark oyster]

^ It looks so similar that a lawsuit wouldn't even work

[leaden orchid]

No because it doesn't have core elements that have the same identity as Dead Space

[charred gust]

Like bro accept the FACT that your opinion isn't a fact

[shrewd sparrow]

Lmao

[charred gust]

"same identity as Dead Space"

[earnest shale]

my god

[manic hill]

@earnest shale got 🎁 Present!

[shrewd sparrow]

Bruh

[honest crane]

Oh shit

[manic hill]

@honest crane got 🎁 Present!

[charred gust]

keyword is same identity, did they promise the same identity ?

[honest crane]

You just did a big hit with that

💀

You're about to send the whole chat to hell

[stark oyster]

I'm scared

[shrewd sparrow]

No opinion are fact

[leaden orchid]

You're being pedantic over my use of words, would you say the same if I just said "be like Dead Space?"

[shrewd sparrow]

That's why they are opinions

[earnest shale]

#🎯︱other-games boutta go to hell

[charred gust]

is saying a game is gonna be "like dead space" saying it will have the same identity ? as in it will have an inventory system where you can stack 10 medkits, where it'll have a limb system that you can dismember with a saw ? that it'll also have 9 weapons ?

[stark oyster]

Already there

Literally general 2

[charred gust]

You're missing the point here, its the same thing i originally argued with @shrewd sparrow about in this same channel

What you want from the game and what you get are completely different and you're not entitled to what you want

[honest crane]

https://tenor.com/view/pieface-ice-in-the-veins-send-that-to-ya-fcking-friends-gif-24396296

[charred gust]

Its the devs' liberty to do what they want, and when they said its gonna be like dead space they meant in terms of the atmosphere / vibe as well as the setting

[earnest shale]

let's say goodbye to this beautiful channel

[shrewd sparrow]

Callisto mid - Fortnite better

[charred gust]

If you have a clip of them saying "The gameplay is gonna be the exact same as dead space" i'll concede this point to you

[leaden orchid]

To an extent I can expect it to have core elements that people would identify with Dead Space, such as "in-universe" HUD, third person, ranged gameplay with psychological elements.

[charred gust]

But if you're basing it off "the game is gonna be like dead space" it's just not the same thing my guy

[shrewd sparrow]

Fortnite doomslayer and Mr beast and geralt rivia out tomorrow

[earnest shale]

brawlhalla solos

[I'm defending it cause I spent 400 bucks on it]

[charred gust]

Yes, all of which are present

[leaden orchid]

I'm basing it off of that because that's what it was advertised as

[shrewd sparrow]

Brawhalla is fun but I don't love smashlikes/stage fighters

Not my favorite

[leaden orchid]

I stated a few elements, I'm not going to go into a full list of every element in both games

[earnest shale]

I actually dont play brawlhalla anymore

[charred gust]

Okay let's go back to the sekiro point again, it's a soulslike right ? you're saying its also false advertising because it doesnt follow the trend of the previous games of having a character that's mute and doesnt have his proper voice acting and character

[shrewd sparrow]

Smashlikes I always play for a few days and have fun because of how casual friendly they are but then I got bored

[manic hill]

@earnest shale got 🎁 Present!

[shrewd sparrow]

Same with multiversus

[charred gust]

in the sense that they promised a soulslike but didnt follow through in everything

[honest crane]

Z2 I beg you to return to playing the game

[shrewd sparrow]

And Nick all star brawl was just trash

[honest crane]

You've waited so long for this

[charred gust]

nah bro the game is already goated it can wait, this mid talk trash has to stop fr

[leaden orchid]

I don't think it was ever advertised as a souls like, it was advertised as Sekiro.

[earnest shale]

he wont stop

[manic hill]

@stark oyster got 🎁 Present!

[stark oyster]

[honest crane]

👍

[shrewd sparrow]

He just like me spending more time arguing with people that a mid game is actually good instead of playing said mid game

[honest crane]

Dying Lighter 2 when?

[charred gust]

cuz like bro its just annoying to see the youtube reviewer takes ruin a game's popularity, especially considering 2 years from now people are gonna come back calling it a masterpiece

[earnest shale]

When the following 2 comes out

[charred gust]

What ?

[honest crane]

The follower 2

[stark oyster]

I don't recall seeing any advertisements for it actually

[charred gust]

Sekiro wasn't advertised as a souls like ?

[earnest shale]

you can be a dying lighter if you want

[leaden orchid]

Fromsoft in general don't advertise that much themselves

[stark oyster]

The prequel 2

[honest crane]

My username is so long. It can't fit in 💀

[shrewd sparrow]

That's not what a soulslike is bro. A soulslike isn't defined by a voiced protagonist

[stark oyster]

I saw a ton for Elden Ring

[earnest shale]

reduce it

[leaden orchid]

They do a CGI trailer, dip for a year or two (or more) and then release a gameplay trailer shortly before release

[honest crane]

Nah. I'll stay relevant to my username

[earnest shale]

fromsoft just like me they dont talk for years

[honest crane]

DyingLighterGaming1999

[leaden orchid]

I don't believe so, no

[earnest shale]

and then appears out of nowhere

[shrewd sparrow]

Sekiro is literally not only a souls like but part of the souls lineage. It's part of the franchise

[leaden orchid]

People call it that because it has a ton of core similar features

And is made by Fromsoft

[stark oyster]

And be annoying as hell, like you?

[earnest shale]

you're worse

[stark oyster]

Objectively

[charred gust]

And that's literally not what we're arguing about, the point is if missing a single aspect of a game in a game that's supposed to "be like it" is enough to call it false advertising, like aussie is suggesting for callisto with dead space

[earnest shale]

I am always right and who says otherwise will get punished

[quasi prairie]

Name a better game than Call of duty.

[leaden orchid]

Not a single aspect

[stark oyster]

Sekiro

[leaden orchid]

Many aspects

[earnest shale]

sex

[quasi prairie]

What is, “sex”

[stark oyster]

How would you know!?!?!?

[earnest shale]

I tried it

✅

[quasi prairie]

Is sex that thing where you wrestle someone?

[earnest shale]

I wont spoil

Its something you guys should experience

[stark oyster]

No spoilers please

[earnest shale]

Its fun

[stark oyster]

[earnest shale]

9/10 the girl seemed to be a boy

[quasi prairie]

I think I experienced sex when I ate in n out for the first time.

[stark oyster]

I love how there's like Callisto discussion, and then just shitposting

[quasi prairie]

Callisto.

Seems, rather interesting.

[shrewd sparrow]

Bad example then because Sekiro is literally a souls game at it's core. Callisto is however not a dead space game despite the marketing implying that it was

[stark oyster]

Callisto is a game of all time

[honest crane]

Metro

[earnest shale]

What the hell is Callisto and why is it a protocol??

[quasi prairie]

Callisto has dead space references because it is technically the bastard son of the dead space series so to speak.

[earnest shale]

Why not Kippie Protocol?

[stark oyster]

Kippie Protocol when

[quasi prairie]

Dead space could have continued but they decided not too. So Callisto is born.

[earnest shale]

And Kippie will rise

[charred gust]

The reason why i said a single aspect is because that's enough to discredit it if the words that came out the devs' mouths were "its the exact same game with the exact same....", which is why i brought up the sekiro point in the first place, if you're complaining that callisto was false advertising because they said it's like dead space then you're also saying sekiro was because it's like souls games (in the sense that it borrows certain things and takes a different approach for everything else), i hope this is clear enough now

[quasi prairie]

But dead space has massive potential for a part 4.

aside from the cliffhanger in number 3, dead space introduced a lot of new potential enemies and history to be uncovered.

[leaden orchid]

And I disagree that Sekiro was advertised as a souls like game, so moot point

[shrewd sparrow]

He's not saying that because those two things don't conflate

There's no false advertising with Sekiro it's literally a souls like. What you see in the marketing is exactly what you play

[leaden orchid]

And what Jpik said

[quasi prairie]

Sekiro isn’t like a souls game, but it also is.

[charred gust]

"Callisto is however not a dead space game despite the marketing implying that it was" this is exactly my point, what exactly is a dead space game for you guys ? let's go back to its genre definition, its a 3rd person survival horror game right ? is callisto not that ?

[stark oyster]

I don't know what moot means, I'm silly

[manic hill]

@stark oyster got 🎁 Present!

[quasi prairie]

Wether we want to like it or not the facts are dark souls and sekiro are more similar alike in their differences.

[stark oyster]

It means debatable

[shrewd sparrow]

It's not like a souls game it IS a souls game

It's part of the lineup

[leaden orchid]

By that vague definition, RE is a Dead Space game

[shrewd sparrow]

It's just as much of a souls game as Bloodborne, or elden ring

[charred gust]

Okay that's fine, i'll give you another example since there are many, is bloodborne not a souls game because it didn't have mages and instead had arcanes ?

[quasi prairie]

Yes, but sekiro broke from the cliche souls game. With its creativity.

[stark oyster]

With its fun

[quasi prairie]

Souls are highly repetitive games.

Hence why the phrase “souls game” is so easily used.

Because the souls games are so commonly known they are generalized.

[leaden orchid]

I don't know enough about bloodborne to properly answer. But judging from what I know in Elden RIng, there are tons of elements that are renamed for the style of Bloodborne, even if they mechanically work the same.

[charred gust]

So through this concession you do agree that i can literally say any game i'm making is a dead space game and make something else right ?

[shrewd sparrow]

But at it's core it's still a challenging die and retry game where you lose stuff on each death and have a sometimes brutal checkpoint system

[quasi prairie]

And like any other game that’s repetitive it can be generalized.

The thing I appreciate more about sekiro was the effort and time taken to make along with a new fighting style introduced.

[leaden orchid]

No I disagree. A Dead Space game is a survivor horror third person, yes. But that doesn't mean that any other game that fits in that description is like Dead Space, because Dead Space is a lot more than that.

[quasi prairie]

You not only fought one enemy with a certain fighting style, but up to 5 enemies with different styles at once.

Similar to Ghost of Tsushima the stance system was great.

[charred gust]

In bloodborne according to @shrewd sparrow you don't have magic / spells or anything, instead you have guns, is it still a souls like game or is it false advertising ? where i'm getting with this is once again dev creative liberty and taking a different approach to what was already set in the game that's "being like"

[leaden orchid]

It's like saying Dying Light is like COD Zombies because they're both zombie FPS games.

[shrewd sparrow]

I dunno cause I've only played dead space 3 and was never excited for Callisto. I remember when it got announced and Keely said it was from the dead space team or whatever and I'm just like "oh a dead space spinoff cool" and didn't think much else of it

[stark oyster]

Found the clip

[quasi prairie]

Having to manually switch fighting stances whilst in combat was genius, because it adds to the combat.

[charred gust]

But you literally just conceded that through its vague definition even RE is a dead space game

So which is it

[quasi prairie]

But sadly ghost of Tsushima lacked enemies that were harder to beat.

If they had faster attacks and more combat approaches maybe.

[stark oyster]

What difficulty did you play on?

[leaden orchid]

No, I conceded that based on your logic used there, which is bad logic.

[quasi prairie]

The hardest my first run.

[shrewd sparrow]

Magic also isn't a necessity to a soulslike either

Thymesia is a soulslike with no magic

[leaden orchid]

Because that statement is ridiculous

[stark oyster]

Dam

[quasi prairie]

Similar to sekiro I played on the hardest my first run. And the game was easy.

[charred gust]

"i conceded based on your logic which is bad logic", what ?

[manic hill]

@stark oyster got 🎁 Present!

[stark oyster]

Demon bell run?

[leaden orchid]

I wouldn't consider it, no, considering how i played through two Souls like games without using any magic whatsoever.

[quasi prairie]

But I’ll give sekiro the advantage since enemies could hit you harder and faster.

[shrewd sparrow]

Genichiro goes so hard

[manic hill]

@stark oyster got 🎁 Present!

[stark oyster]

Amazing boss fight ngl

[quasi prairie]

He was a fun boss.

[shrewd sparrow]

When he grabs the lightning

[quasi prairie]

When he got up again I was like

[stark oyster]

Deflect it

[shrewd sparrow]

[charred gust]

Yeah, i'll also use the same take with having 10 medkits present at most times in a survival horror game, and being able to take a breather to heal, right back at you with this one, do you see where the collision between these 2 points that are the same lies ?

[quasi prairie]

Imagine the reaction using his lightning against him.

[leaden orchid]

Your logic -> Dead Space is a survival horror third person game. Callisto Protocol is a survival horror third person game. That means they're the same game.

My reply was making fun of your logic by implying that RE is a Dead Space game.

[stark oyster]

Guardian ape was like ☠️ ->

[quasi prairie]

That’s just a fuck you 💀

[leaden orchid]

Because I think EVERYONE can agree here

RE is not Dead Space

[quasi prairie]

Guardian ape was a decent fight ngl

[leaden orchid]

That's why your logic is unfounded

[quasi prairie]

People who say resident evil, dead space, and silent hill are similar do have a point.

As developers have admitted in the past taking notes from eachother.

[stark oyster]

Horror games

[quasi prairie]

So while they are universally different, the fighting style to the way the games play. Are similar in ways.

[worn tapir]

Resident evil is better

[shrewd sparrow]

I'm not arguing for Aussie. I'm from a very outside perspective as someone who barely paid attention to Callisto. All I'm saying is that I always thought that it was gonna be a sort of spiritual successor to the dead space games cause that's just how it came off to me

[charred gust]

Once again same take right back at you, i can just say i played through the game without having been put in that situation in the first place, which is a recurring theme so far even before i played the game for myself and you were discussing it with @fossil sequoia

[quasi prairie]

I’d have to go with silent hill personally.

[stark oyster]

Hi Dan

[leaden orchid]

Healing is a core mechanic in all Dead Space games, and even come in different types that you can hold in your limited inventory. A part of inventory management which is core to the game. In Dead Space you can heal during fights, you cannot heal during fights in Callisto. This is a significant change.

[quasi prairie]

I got the fear factor I wanted from silent hill. Action wise I’d say dead space. And story has to go to RE.

[stark oyster]

Ironic how this all started because I said I didn't like the healing

[worn tapir]

Isn’t Callisto meant to be the successor / continuation of dead space anyway?

[stark oyster]

About

[quasi prairie]

Pretty much.

[honest crane]

Spiritual successor

[quasi prairie]

It’s the bastard son I like to call it.

[shrewd sparrow]

No clue never played dead space or Callisto

[worn tapir]

May as well be a dead space game then

[honest crane]

Idk what even spiritual successor is

[stark oyster]

Fair description

[quasi prairie]

EA is too busy trying to milk more games.

[leaden orchid]

You're comparing an optional build for a game (that you have to actually find and use magic too btw) to a game that introduces healing in a tutorial.

[quasi prairie]

Shame too considering how the dead space series had massive potential for a part 4.

[stark oyster]

in essence, it's a continuation but it's not really a continuation

[shrewd sparrow]

I'm only involving myself in this discourse because of the bold takes I'm seeing about false advertising in regards to Sekiro being a souls game

[quasi prairie]

But battlefield 2042 is a good reason imo.

[honest crane]

Oh okay

[honest crane]

💀

[worn tapir]

2042 is good now

[quasi prairie]

I don’t get all the hate on 2042, the game looks fun.

[worn tapir]

Fun game

[honest crane]

That's enough internet for today

Good night everyone

[stark oyster]

Like a better Warzone when I played it

[shrewd sparrow]

2042 is fine but still not as fun as some of the other games

The game just does a lot wrong

[honest crane]

It feels empty af

[quasi prairie]

It’s like with cybperpunk people are too quick to judge a game. I myself am guilty of being too harsh on cp but the game is actually a blast.

[shrewd sparrow]

They face an identity crisis trying to be cod and tarkov and shit

[quasi prairie]

Not from what I’ve heard, 2042 has been nothing but positive feedback.

The community from what I’ve read, and seen. Has been enjoying the game.

[leaden orchid]

Z2K1 likes to think that the world operates on subjectivity and that everything is fluid and nothing is set in stone. Objectivity is a myth, tangibility is a lie. If he disagrees with you enough he will start arguing that it doesn't matter what we think because we're subjective so it doesn't matter.

[quasi prairie]

And this is a span of a couple weeks of me reading different articles and reviews/critics opinion on the game.

[charred gust]

And i'm not saying you are, i'm just pointing out how i see a similarity between this take and another take, which aussie just conceded once again to not being valid (bloodborne being false advertisement because it has arcane builds and not mage builds), its the same point ive been trying to make all along, you can say a game is "like" and that's exactly what it means, it's LIKE, it isnt LITERALLY THE SAME, if the game has atleast one thing in common then you can still use the "like" in your advertising and lead up to the game, if i asked you are FIFA and PES alike you'd say yes because to you they seem similar enough (both football games) even tho they take completely different approaches but you're not gonna say one's a false advertisement because of that

[shrewd sparrow]

I try not to shit on a game without either playing it or atleast watching a lot about it

I played bf2042 for 30 hours on launch, I thought it was fun. But it was fucked up

[quasi prairie]

I don’t think I’ve ever shit on a game in my life.

[shrewd sparrow]

It's much better now

But still not what it could be

[quasi prairie]

But I do despise the pay to win games.

[stark oyster]

The council

[quasi prairie]

The games which require players to pay to get an advantage over something you could easily obtain through grinding is annoying.

[leaden orchid]

There's two kinds of objectivity:

• God's view - the true kind of objectivity that only one with omniscience can achieve. This is impossible for us.
• "Realistic" objectivity - Objectivity that humanity can arrive to based on various elements like language, perception, mathematics etc.

[quasi prairie]

Can we all agree that we hate P2W?

Can we agree on that? If not than you getting tossed off a yacht.

[earnest shale]

hey guys

[shrewd sparrow]

I dunno man I'm not arguing about that cause I don't know shit about dead space or Callisto. Callisto could be a masterpiece, I don't know and I'm not gonna play it to find out. What I do know is the videos that I have seen on the game that paint a less than acceptable picture for all the hype the game had being from the dead space team

[earnest shale]

Just came back from washing the dishes

(smth you wouldnt be able to do)

[shrewd sparrow]

The quality just isn't there, atleast it doesn't look that way

[earnest shale]

is the Callisto discussion still going?

[shrewd sparrow]

Bro if Hakon calls me a snowflake one more time I'm gonna have a meltdown on Twitter

[quasi prairie]

No clue what they are talking about now.

[earnest shale]

aight

[quasi prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/el-macho-mexican-mexican-flag-mexico-despicable-me2-gif-20839569

We need more cartel themed games.

To be able to play a cartel member or marina. Is fun.

[earnest shale]

thats a movie bruh

[leaden orchid]

There are topics and discussions that if you ask everyone on the planet to agree with, they won't. But we can make a "realistic objective" take like 1+1=2 or the Earth is round since 99% of humanity would agree (funny how there are actually a lot of people who don't believe the latter tho)

[quasi prairie]

That’s despicable me 2.

[charred gust]

"This is a significant change.", you're allowed to make a significant change in a game that you advertised as "like", i don't get how many times i have to repeat this same point, everyone memes on different franchises of fighting games as well as sports games for being the same shit but they still make significant changes, i don't hear anyone complaining about UFL promising it's gonna have a system like FIFA for its ultimate team like mode but as a matter of fact it's not related to packs whatsoever like FIFA is, it's just like i could point out 100 other examples of this and i feel like we still wouldnt get anywhere on this point

[quasi prairie]

Good movie 10/10.

[quasi prairie]

Earth is flat?

[leaden orchid]

Wait

[quasi prairie]

Aussie.

[leaden orchid]

I meant round

lmfao

Holy shit

NONONONONONO

NONOONONO

[quasi prairie]

Nah nah nah

[leaden orchid]

I MEANT NOT FLAT

SO ROUND

[quasi prairie]

AUSSIE CONFIRMED FLAT EARTHER

[manic hill]

@earnest shale got 🎁 Present!

[quasi prairie]

GET HIM BOYS!

https://tenor.com/view/get-him-south-park-its-christmas-in-canada-s7e15-seize-him-gif-22110406

[earnest shale]

GOING

[leaden orchid]

I've heard the term "earth is flat" so much I literally just subconciously typed it

[quasi prairie]

[earnest shale]

brain issue

/s

[charred gust]

Yeah this is the 2nd time we have this discussion btw, on how you try to state that your take is the realistic one because its the closest to reality, i truly hope you realize we can all see this and that you're never gonna be able to prove it, your take is yours and yours alone, and many times it spreads around like wildfire so that you have this entourage who also have that same take, i get that, however please keep it as that and don't try to generalize it for everyone

[earnest shale]

@stark oyster are you there bro

[quasi prairie]

If you type one more paragraph I’m going to eat an otter @charred gust

[earnest shale]

did they kidnap you

[charred gust]

my man

[quasi prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/otter-otter-aty-petting-squish-gif-26523506

[charred gust]

https://tenor.com/view/bornskywalker-dap-me-up-woody-woody-handshake-woody-toy-story-gif-26021440

[leaden orchid]

You are indeed allowed to make significant changes, but as I already said, as long as the core identity remains. As someone who has played all Dead Space games, and now 6 hours of Callisto, I don't think this emulates anything about Dead Space. Especially narratively

[stark oyster]

I was getting some ice cream

[quasi prairie]

What flavor?

[earnest shale]

i ate some yesterday

[stark oyster]

Chocolate with whipped cream

[shrewd sparrow]

I know I don't have any precedent to say this but like y'all aren't getting anywhere

[leaden orchid]

I've only started talking about the medkits because someone else pointed it out. It's not just "my take", it's how there's a majority mediocre rating from critics of 5-7/10 across the board.

[quasi prairie]

Chad choice ngl

[leaden orchid]

Both critics and fans

[shrewd sparrow]

You haven't found common ground in anything

[charred gust]

That's absolutely fine dude, like i said that's your take i've literally never tried to persuade you away from it or tell you otherwise, this whole thing started when you tried to prove that calling it mid is objective

[shrewd sparrow]

You gotta find something to agree on before changing the others mind

[quasi prairie]

Only one thing all men can agree on.

[earnest shale]

communism

[quasi prairie]

Yeah communism.

[leaden orchid]

Well, if the majority arrive to a conclusion that's based around that, I can state that

[stark oyster]

I saw what you deleted

[leaden orchid]

I'm going to wait until the reviews complaining about performance go away

[quasi prairie]

No you didn’t.

[charred gust]

I'd like to point out for starters that i've actually read most of the reviews (atleast on metacritic), and i personally invite you to as well, did you know that the overall score on PC is higher than it is on PS5 ?

[stark oyster]

I agree with you bro

[charred gust]

And that for starters most of those reviews never addressed the PC performance issues, what does this tell you ?

[leaden orchid]

Metacritic doesn't have any user reviews yet

[quasi prairie]

My man.

[leaden orchid]

Well it does, just not a calculated average

[charred gust]

for PS5 it does, for PC it doesnt

and this is exactly my point

[leaden orchid]

How do I filter on metacritic

[stark oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/dying-light2-friends-reunion-gif-21727150

[charred gust]

like argument aside, how do you explain (assuming the PC port issues are as bad as they are), PC critics giving the game an overall score higher than PS5 ?

[leaden orchid]

Oh wait this is the PS5 one I'm looking at

No user score yet

[charred gust]

like i get that it's their final take and its to be accepted but to me that means one of 2 things, either these "critics" literally never played the game, or they were willing to look past all the stutters that were present before the v1.4 update and still give the game higher reviews than the PS5 community did

[charred gust]

yeah but you can literally tell it yourself, like theres 11 reviews

[charred gust]

5 of which are rated below 5, like actual trash tier

5 are good, one of them was a 10/10

[stark oyster]

Buy now

[charred gust]

and then another one is mid, literally a 5/10

[quasi prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/dying-light2-friends-reunion-gif-21727150

[charred gust]

yeah, now look at the PC ones

explain to me how these pro PC critics gave it an overall higher score than PS5

[leaden orchid]

That is the PC ones

[charred gust]

one sec

[leaden orchid]

This is PC

[charred gust]

This is what i'm talking about

[leaden orchid]

Those are critic not user reviews

[charred gust]

Yes, i'm addressing the critics

I'm talking about the fact that the critic score for it on PC is higher than it is on PS5

considering PC was unplayable

like what does this tell you ?

[shrewd sparrow]

Oh hell naw now the reviews are in discussion

[leaden orchid]

I always prefer users over critics

I rarely listen to critics

[charred gust]

i'm just legit wondering how these pro years of experience PC reviewers gave a shitshow of a pc port a higher rating than PS5

[shrewd sparrow]

Review bombing though

Happens all the time

Cause humans are awful

[stark oyster]

It seems that all you have to do is change the resolution

[leaden orchid]

Probably doing good reviews so they can keep getting early copies from companies

Bad reviews means you're potentially cutting yourself off from a review

[shrewd sparrow]

Let's not forget about the dying light review bomb

[leaden orchid]

That's what happened to Angry Joe

[charred gust]

yeah no thats not my point, what im saying is either these reviewers didnt play the game at all or just played it on their ps5 / SX and decided to summarize the review for PC, or they were looking to ignore the stuttering issues and still gave the game a higher rating than it got on PS5

[shrewd sparrow]

No French dub

[leaden orchid]

Yeah I agree, as well as what I said about either being paid or making the game look good to appease the devs

[stark oyster]

That happens, but being loyal to your fan base is better than selling out

[earnest shale]

powerful knowledge

[shrewd sparrow]

0/10 cause there's no acting in my language man fuck the fr*nch

[charred gust]

like i was expecting a 55 on PC just based off the critics, because i know the PC critics in this world won't all round up to an 80 in a game that runs like callisto did at launch on PC

[shrewd sparrow]

Ban all fr*nch people from dl2

[charred gust]

so i call BS

[leaden orchid]

I mean, I even had to get my DL2 "thoughts and early impressions" video taken down because I was negative, despite following all the guidelines as well as being MORE vague than other videos of the like

[manic hill]

@earnest shale got 🎁 Present!

[stark oyster]

What

[honest crane]

Don't forget about Italian

The spaghetti folks won't shut up

[stark oyster]

Did YouTube make you take it down or Techland

[leaden orchid]

Techland

[earnest shale]

what game

[somber valve]

Beuuuuuuh

Bro got trolled

[earnest shale]

you hit techland's feelings apparently

[stark oyster]

Techland was mad

[shrewd sparrow]

So is Callisto argument over

[earnest shale]

idk

you never know in this channel

[stark oyster]

Popular Dying Light YouTuber "AussieGG" was prohibited from sharing his opinion on the hit game "Dying Light 2"

[shrewd sparrow]

Popular dying man was prohibited from having the medication he needed

BIG PHARMA

[earnest shale]

Communism in its best moment

[stark oyster]

Bro, so like in Callisto Protocol you can't ||I'm just putting this here to scare him away ||

[earnest shale]

[leaden orchid]

To this day it still annoys me how that happened

[stark oyster]

I'd imagine so

Oh I have a clip that pisses me off

[charred gust]

yeah but at the same time, you being an influencer should know this as in how easy people are impressionable, and how like @shrewd sparrow pointed out people like to review bomb every fucking time, if you made a review and said the game is mid why does that make your take any more believable than those 5 or 6 who thought it was perfectly fine (assuming their takes were legit and they just didn't mind the performance issues like i didnt with arkham knight), the point im trying to make is everyone i know had the take of "skillup said its trash so its trash i trust this reviewer to death", does this mean the user reviews are the objective truth (even tho 80% of them are coming from people who never even played the game or rather try to like it ?), its once again back to the point that there's no subjectivity, ask yourself how many times you found a game that had garbage critic / user reviews doesnt matter since both are subjective on their own and you actually liked it, i just don't think the whole "everyone thinks its garbage so it must be" take is valid, callisto proved it to me once more

[stark oyster]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/396090984242479114/1048091276727291994/5e05789e-ace7-46df-9c59-35650fa20c44.mp4

[shrewd sparrow]

Callisto was good until ||that rough gay threesome sex scene, kinda took me off guard a bit||

[stark oyster]

These mfs vote kicked me 😭

[earnest shale]

So techland gave you the game to try it and then reviewed it. But they got pissed because of your opinion and took the video down lmao

[stark oyster]

Scary

[earnest shale]

||but you liked it, didnt you?||

[leaden orchid]

I played it at an event on their PCs back in October last year

[earnest shale]

oh

[stark oyster]

"Tf you mean you're dissapointed, how about you just shut the fuck up"

[earnest shale]

🤓

[leaden orchid]

I haven't found a game with garbage reviews that I really like OR know that a game is bad but I enjoy it anyway.

[charred gust]

legit dont doubt they do this

works both ways

[shrewd sparrow]

NGL I'm sus of any game that is rated either unreasonably high or unreasonably low. There's rare cases where both are justified, but often times review bombing is absolutely to blame

So I agree with you there

[charred gust]

none ? at all ?

like you didn't find a game that was rated a 6 or a 7 like callisto is but you thought it deserved more ?

[leaden orchid]

No not really

I would say DL1 but DL1 definitely deserved those mid ratings at launch

Game really wasn't that great on launch

[stark oyster]

Bad performance right?

[charred gust]

and btw i'm sure you know that games that are often given 6's or 7's are actually not representative at all of the thousands of people giving the game 2's or 3's, which is why i always say if you're giving a game a 6 it has to really be trash

[leaden orchid]

If I give the game a 6 I believe it's because the game is a 6

[stark oyster]

I played DL1 a bunch in like 2016

[shrewd sparrow]

||like no. I didn't like it at all dude. Like I swear. Like okay it did give me a boner alright but like come on that could have been for anything. Who's to say it was cause of the scene. Like I doubt that even means anything right?||

[leaden orchid]

There are as many ass kissers as there are haters for most games

It balances out

[charred gust]

i agree that's how it should be, i'm just pointing out how dumb people can be

[stark oyster]

The issue I have is, I want to love DL2 but I just can't at times

[leaden orchid]

OH

Metal Gear Rising perhaps

[earnest shale]

||yeah, I got a boner too. But it didnt mean anything because i'm straight||

[leaden orchid]

But then again, it's a game that people love nowadays

[stark oyster]

I just suck at that game

[leaden orchid]

But I know that people didn't like it on launch

[frail wind]

yall been at this for an hour lmao

[stark oyster]

We're deep in conversation

[shrewd sparrow]

|| thank god we are straight, that could have gotten real bad ||

[leaden orchid]

And I understand it's completely unlike other MG games

[frail wind]

https://tenor.com/view/but-heres-the-uh-i-forgor-gif-26494840

[charred gust]

okay then i'll give you another perspective on it, how many of the people that signed up randomly in an impulse after watching their fav reviewer's take on a game with an invalid email and probably a password they forgot will actually consider to go back and change that review to a good score if they eventually like it ?

[earnest shale]

||we're safe now||

[charred gust]

(or if it eventually gets fixed)

[earnest shale]

GOD STOP WRITING PARAGRAPHS

[leaden orchid]

That's a... very specific scenario lol

[stark oyster]

ZEUS! Your son has returned, and I bring the destruction of OLYMPUS!!

[earnest shale]

I WILL KILL MYSELF NOW!

[stark oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/zeus-kratos-your-son-has-returned-god-of-war3-god-of-war-gif-25409651

[charred gust]

like lets assume 500 people gave 2/10 reviews just based off that video (which lets be honest you can tell alot of them are, the ones that give no actual take and just say "stutters horribly, terrible game"), like okay 3 months later down the line its fixed, is your review still valid ? is the game bound to always have that shit score because of how it launched ?

or like does it need an anime for people to finally forgive it

[charred gust]

i'm just saying people's takes these days seem so fake and inorganic to me

[leaden orchid]

That's why Steam has recent reviews filter

[charred gust]

easily swayed especially

the best game i always like to give an example for is the order 1886

[stark oyster]

SUUUUUUUUUUI

[earnest shale]

sui

[manic hill]

@earnest shale got 🎁 Present!

[stark oyster]

Aw

[earnest shale]

ha!

[charred gust]

still has a 63% rating because the major reviewers all shit on it, it's just a masterpiece and the only complaint they all made that was valid is one scene of the game which is 3 minutes long

[leaden orchid]

I can't speak for that since I've never played it

[charred gust]

(a scene where you have to fight a bunch of werewolves that have the same attack pattern)

[leaden orchid]

I remember seeing Angry Joe's review on it years ago tho

[charred gust]

yeah that video was what made me stop watching him in the first place

the nail in the coffin for reviewers for me, i used to love him

[earnest shale]

Yeah I hope Pinwheel shows up in Spider-Man 2

It would be awesome amirite

[leaden orchid]

Even if I disagree with Joe (which happens quite often) I love watching him because his reviews are entertaining and authentic to his own takes, even if they're bad

[shrewd sparrow]

ong

[charred gust]

his review is shitting on the game for that reason as well, which ngl i was a dumb ignorant idiot because at first i didnt realize it till i finally decided let me give it a shot

[shrewd sparrow]

It might be too difficult though

[earnest shale]

yeah

[charred gust]

then i realized how much of a dumbass i was for missing it at launch

[earnest shale]

Harder than Malenia I'm afraid

[charred gust]

imo he's become way too politically correct

by that i mean he'll often say the most basic ass community takes you'll find

[shrewd sparrow]

Angry Joe more like angry

Birds

[charred gust]

and he'll exaggerate it too which makes it obvious its ingenuine

[earnest shale]

ANGRY BIRDS THE GOAT

https://tenor.com/view/the-goat-black-guy-gif-17915341

[shrewd sparrow]

Angry birds #1 better than Callisto just accept the facts

[earnest shale]

fr fr

[charred gust]

legit

its a trash dead space ripoff bro

garbage

[earnest shale]

Chad Birds solos Mid Protocol

[charred gust]

also it runs bad on my 1060

i could run spiderman with that!

[shrewd sparrow]

Sounds like a shitty port

No goated playstation port

L

[earnest shale]

no playstation W?

[charred gust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qy6NHKDh-Mo&t=12m25s

12:25 already marked

[earnest shale]

I guess that I'll kill myself Now!

[shrewd sparrow]

PlayStation has great ports now that they are putting their stuff on PC

[charred gust]

imagine complaining about your companion AI being brain dead

[manic hill]

@earnest shale got 🎁 Present!

[earnest shale]

idk bro

I have played all those games on my goated ps4

[manic hill]

@earnest shale got 🎁 Present!

[earnest shale]

except for sackboy

[leaden orchid]

Holy shit

Skinny joe

[shrewd sparrow]

Women tier list

[leaden orchid]

I remember

[earnest shale]

uhhh

[charred gust]

and then complaining about the enemies being too easy, then 2 seconds later complaining about the game being too hard because you only have 2 guns ?

[shrewd sparrow]

Video game women tier list

[charred gust]

like legit he lost his mind lmfao

[shrewd sparrow]

Less objectifying

[earnest shale]

more like Skinny Pete from the hit tv show Breaking Good

[shrewd sparrow]

True good reference buddy I'm so proud of you it's actually just like the television show barking bad

[earnest shale]

1. Lara Croft
2. Ellie (TLOU 2)
3. Chloe Frazer
4. Malenia

✅

there you go

[shrewd sparrow]

Ellie bro WTF

[earnest shale]

Yeah

[shrewd sparrow]

That's a whole ass child dawg

[earnest shale]

fine then

[charred gust]

bro bluepoint are goated

[earnest shale]

tlou 2

[shrewd sparrow]

Where 2B at

[charred gust]

imagine being a studio thats literally made to port games, brand new and pumping out ports that are better than studios who have been at it for years

[earnest shale]

havent finished nier yet

It was hard to choose those women

[charred gust]

activision literally fucks up the port every year for their open / closed betas and take a while to fix them finally when they come out

[shrewd sparrow]

Malenia is sus too

Like damn bro u crazy for that

[charred gust]

horizon was a disaster at launch but after that 🐐

[earnest shale]

leave me alone

[shrewd sparrow]

Her eyes are rotting out of her skull

Her skin is literally rotting off

But shit

I won't judge you

[earnest shale]

If we are talking about which one is prettier

[charred gust]

[earnest shale]

that's another story

[shrewd sparrow]

Lara croft valid

[charred gust]

lara croft is mid

[shrewd sparrow]

Where tifa from FF

[earnest shale]

I dont understand what is the top tier about

[earnest shale]

i dont like final fantasy

[charred gust]

also mid tbh

[earnest shale]

wait

I forgor jill valentine and Claire

[manic hill]

@earnest shale got 🎁 Present!

[charred gust]

which jill

[shrewd sparrow]

Me neither but she a baddie

[earnest shale]

fr fr

[earnest shale]

what

Jill is Jill dude

[leaden orchid]

Is that Frost?

[charred gust]

like, re3 jill, 5 pre wesker or post

[earnest shale]

re3

[shrewd sparrow]

Attractiveness

[earnest shale]

oh

[shrewd sparrow]

I love that vid

[leaden orchid]

https://tenor.com/view/gaestink-gif-20866377

[charred gust]

https://tenor.com/view/bornskywalker-dap-me-up-woody-woody-handshake-woody-toy-story-gif-26021440

[shrewd sparrow]

"oh that's jax!"

Jax is way hotter than frost though

[earnest shale]

GOD THIS VIDEO IS TOO FUNNY

[shrewd sparrow]

Like ong

[earnest shale]

If its about attractiveness

[charred gust]

i was expecting sonya to show up from the other end then it cuts to the porn part

[leaden orchid]

RE1 Jill enjoyer

[shrewd sparrow]

Which can come from looks or personality or how cool they are or all of the above it's all about your preference

[leaden orchid]

STARS kit best kit

I don't like the OG RE3 skimpy getup

[charred gust]

also a valid take

https://tenor.com/view/bornskywalker-dap-me-up-woody-woody-handshake-woody-toy-story-gif-26021440

[leaden orchid]

RE3make was ok with the design but I didn't like her character or attitude in it

[earnest shale]

my top would be:

1. Claire Redfield
2. Lara Croft
3. Chloe Frazer
4. Cassie Cage (MK10)

[charred gust]

anyone who says they like the blonde jill from re5 needs a take check

[earnest shale]

I wanna see yours too

[leaden orchid]

I mean I can see TWO reasons why they would like RE5 Jill

[shrewd sparrow]

Top 2 are valid bottom two I could take or leave

[charred gust]

chloe is actually based

should be higher up imo

[leaden orchid]

Claire is hotter but I liked Jill more

[stark oyster]

💀

Bro

[earnest shale]

what's your top tier

[stark oyster]

What happened while I was gone

[charred gust]

i dont think i have one tbh, i'd have to about it

[earnest shale]

yeah, they really nailed it with the remake

[shrewd sparrow]

Claire is so fine

[leaden orchid]

idk why but I prefer the OG STARS squad of Jill and Chris over characters like Claire and Leon

[charred gust]

@shrewd sparrow can start

[stark oyster]

Sheva and Chris were powerful

[leaden orchid]

Shame that Jill is never seen again after what they did to her in 5

[charred gust]

sheva is underrated

[leaden orchid]

Sheva and Chris were cool

[earnest shale]

https://youtu.be/wsUEbELWsEw

[leaden orchid]

Honestly there isn't really a mainline RE character I dislike

[shrewd sparrow]

Im not gonna rank nah I'm violently horny I'd fuck anything with a pulse alright

[earnest shale]

peak youtube video

[stark oyster]

Hated because most played that game solo

[charred gust]

what a surprise

[earnest shale]

🗿

[charred gust]

(actually not a surprise i know you're gonna be playing any co op game solo for the rest of your life)

loser

[earnest shale]

come on guys

[charred gust]

im legit thinking bro

[earnest shale]

show me your top 4

[charred gust]

its hard

[shrewd sparrow]

2B is number one cause she's got everything

[earnest shale]

See

[stark oyster]

😭

[earnest shale]

I was struggling too

[stark oyster]

Lady D was... a fan favorite character

[earnest shale]

I expected more of her tbh

[stark oyster]

She was only a quarter of the game

[earnest shale]

Like she wasnt there enough time

I enjoyed re8 anyway

[shrewd sparrow]

1.) 2B
2.) Your mom
3.) One of the overwatch girls iunno widow or d.va or mercy or shit I really don't care
4.) Did I already say 2B?

[charred gust]

1. Helena Harper
2. Anna Williams
3. Shaundi
4. Gloria (Trish in disguise from DMC4)

[earnest shale]

[charred gust]

i know @stark oyster agrees with me

[earnest shale]

I dont know any of these

[stark oyster]

I don't know the first 2

[manic hill]

@stark oyster got 🎁 Present!

[stark oyster]

Only the last 2

[shrewd sparrow]

Anna Williams is valid

I forgot about Tekken chars

[charred gust]

gloria tho

[raven vale]

Not even that attractive ngl

[stark oyster]

Big booba

[charred gust]

they should've kept her

as the actual trish

[stark oyster]

The scenes she was in

[earnest shale]

Cant believe this is truly what we are talking about

[manic hill]

@stark oyster got 🎁 Present!

[charred gust]

she literally flirts with nero lmfao

[earnest shale]

the horny hour

[shrewd sparrow]

Real othergames talk

[stark oyster]

Like whole on camera shots of her crotch

[shrewd sparrow]

This shit doesn't work in general

Cause general is MID

[earnest shale]

aight then

[shrewd sparrow]

No one said quiet from mgsv

[raven vale]

🤨

[shrewd sparrow]

Curious

[earnest shale]

TOP 5 FAVOURITE VIDEOGAMES OF ALL TIME

NOW

[charred gust]

i dont get how it passed preprod

[stark oyster]

You get banned if you discuss this in general

[charred gust]

the director must've liked it

[stark oyster]

Games back then were weird...

[charred gust]

like legit you try to do that in any other game you get fired

[charred gust]

i didn't like how the game tried to force me into it

i don't like girls like that

[raven vale]

Never played MGSV :<

[shrewd sparrow]

It's really hard to rank them but a rough list would likely look like

Red Dead Redemption 2
Marvels Spiderman
Bloodborne
Nier Automata
Ghost of Tsushima

[charred gust]

like put on some clothes gee

[stark oyster]

-Skyrim
-Ghost of Tsushima
-Sekiro
-Shadow of War/Mordor
-Devil May Cry 5

[shrewd sparrow]

I have a monkey brain

[earnest shale]

Mine's not so different tbh

[charred gust]

oh shit we doing top 5 fav games ?

[charred gust]

bro of all time ?

that ain't gonna work

[earnest shale]

-Red Dead Redemption 2
-Bloodborne
-Uncharted 4
-Spiderman (PS4)

• Resident Evil 2 (2019)

[stark oyster]

It'll work, just go with it.

[leaden orchid]

• Halo 3
• Fallout: New Vegas
• Skyrim
• Dying Light 1 (lol)
• The Walking Dead: Saints & Sinners

[charred gust]

cuz like i know some games deserveto be in there but cant be

[manic hill]

@stark oyster got 🎁 Present!

[charred gust]

because there's older games that i love more

[earnest shale]

spit them out already

[leaden orchid]

I purposefully didn't include any other Halo games, and based my list on the value they have for me

[stark oyster]

Valid, but VR games are just W all across the board.

[raven vale]

1. Assassins Creed Brotherhood
2. Spider-Man
3. The last of us part 2 (don’t hate me)
4. Infamous second son
5. I don’t have a fifth one, I don’t have many favorites

[leaden orchid]

No other VR game I've played has given me more fun than S&S

[shrewd sparrow]

My top 4 or 5 can easily be replaced with cyberpunk 2077 some days

A few honorable mentions might be doom eternal, the ac franchise (they are more or less the same) and halo reach

[stark oyster]

You gotta try Blade and Sorcery Aussie

[shrewd sparrow]

And Elden Ring

[stark oyster]

I love it so much

[leaden orchid]

I wish I could play Bloodborne

[earnest shale]

I seriously have a problem with fallout new vegas

cant get along with it

[leaden orchid]

What aspect of it?

[stark oyster]

I didn't like the slow walking at first

[earnest shale]

i dont really know how to describe it

[upbeat whale]

saints and sinners retribution is coming out soon and i bet you will like it

[leaden orchid]

I know that one huge issue with NV is the performance even this many years later

[stark oyster]

I got over it quickly

[jagged lava]

mfw callisto protocol mixed reviews

[shrewd sparrow]

I wish you could too, in fact I wish everyone who can't could. I wish everyone who hasn't would, and I wish everyone who has would again. Truly worth being labeled a masterpiece.

[leaden orchid]

It's already out I'm downloading it rn

[stark oyster]

Held together with duct tape

[raven vale]

Was it any good?

[shrewd sparrow]

DONT YOU FUCKING DARE

[stark oyster]

Wait, WHAT

[shrewd sparrow]

WE JUST SAVED THIS CHAT

YOU BASTARD

[stark oyster]

Gotta bust out the credit card

[leaden orchid]

Quest 2 early release

Not on PC

I'm too impatient

[earnest shale]

you are a monster

[stark oyster]

[leaden orchid]

Hey so-

[jagged lava]

im sure I'll still have fun

but hearing the bad points in the reviews is disheartening

[shrewd sparrow]

It seems to have butchered a lot of the expectations for a dead space spinoff

[raven vale]

I wanna play the game but 1. I don’t own it and 2. I haven’t really heard much about it

[leaden orchid]

I used light armor + the movement perk, high agility and putting away my weapon to go faster

[earnest shale]

oh god we got back to it

[jagged lava]

apparently patch also fixed performance issues on pc yesterday tho

so that's good

[leaden orchid]

I'm playing more of it tomorrow